1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Police have arrested the man who allegedly stabbed a woman 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: on a bus in Auckland yesterday. He's handed himself in 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: at the north Shore Police station this afternoon. The woman 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: passed away a few hours after the unprovoked attack. Police 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: believe it was completely random. Stacy vander Putten is Auckland 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Transports Director of Public Transport High Stacy, Oh, what are 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: you guys going to do on buses? 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Well, while what we are doing, we're definitely out there 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: in forced. So they in terms of having had transport 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: officers more visible across the network, particularly in that area, 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: we put a lot of initiatives in lately and honestly, 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: what we're seeing is it's concerning to us right in 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: terms of that there's really really deep society or issues 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: out there and no amount of different initiatives are kind 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: of fixed that we need to understand why these things 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: are happening in the first place. 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: You're putting more officers on is it just Route seventy 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: four nothing else? 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, we deployed based on intelligence that we collect across 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: the network. So we have a limited pull of people 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: and so we deployed them that we're just needed at 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: each point in time. 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's just on seventy four. 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: No, No, they're across the network, but ranked up today 25 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: in terms of the presence in that particular area because 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: we know that the communities are obviously no devastated by 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: what's happened. So we're just making sure that we have 28 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: as many people as possible within the area to show 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: our support. 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Is this known to be a problematic route? So do 31 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: you get a lot of trouble on this one? 32 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: No? Not gingly, And I mean that's the thing, right 33 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: in terms of that what we're seeing is sporadic across 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: the network is what we see. We put initiatives in 35 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: different places, and we work with communities to be able 36 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: to overcome when we see we're called patterns of behavior. 37 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: But it shifts around, It really does in depths concerning 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: because there's only so much we can do. It's a 39 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: problem in terms of our anti social behavior. I mean, 40 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: the vast majority of people are really really well. Behaviors 41 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: are tiny issues compared to what we generally see in 42 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: terms of people moving across their network. But I mean, 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: this one's devastating for us. We're really upset by and 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: it hearts broken for the family. 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: Stacy, which kind of brings me to the point that 46 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: I was making at the very start of the program. 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: It really doesn't matter. I mean, you guys do not 48 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: have the resources to be able to deal with every 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: single problem on every single bus, on every single route, 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: every single minute of the day. Right, It's just not possible. 51 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: So stuff like this, We're going to have to deal 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: with this in another way, aren't where whether it's putting 53 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: these people in the slammer or getting mental health support 54 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: or whatever. 55 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean it's going to require a whole array 56 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: of different resources to overcome what we're seeing. I mean, 57 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: we need to look at these issues and understand why 58 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: they're occurring in the first place. And you know what 59 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: we can all do to support family skills communities to 60 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: be strong, resilient and proud. And that required everybody to 61 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: be prognissant about what's happening and everybody to be able 62 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: to support some initiatives there. 63 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Stacy, good luck with that, Thanks so much, mate. That's 64 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Stacy vander Putten, who is the Director of Public Transport 65 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: at Auckland Transport. Ten past five now, the chief comwardsman 66 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: has had another crack at audering Attamitiki, this time for 67 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: receiving multiple reports that a mum's partner was abusing her 68 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: very young kids, and despite even having photos, OT didn't 69 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: investigate this properly. Peter boches with us right now, Hey. 70 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: Peter, good afternoon, Heather Peter. 71 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: These kids are safe now, aren't they. 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: Well. The assurance given to me is that they have 73 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: been moved from the abuse of home where they were 74 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: to the care of their father, and there is a 75 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: safety plan in place. There's been a previous safety plan 76 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: in place here that I just hope this one works 77 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 3: better than the last one did. 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: Now the photos, in particular, how compelling was the evidence 79 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: that these kids were being abused? And this is evidence 80 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: that was given to OT. 81 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: When there are multiple complaints of the sort here, including 82 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: from the children's own lawyer. This evidence should have been compelling. 83 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: At the very least, there should have been a responsible, 84 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: in depth investigation. You know, I had hoped he after 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: I did my report on the death of Malachi Shuebex 86 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: two years ago, and the assurance was forgiven by or 87 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: ung A Tamariki that there would be dramatic change, and 88 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: yet this has happened. And so the reason I've gone 89 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: so public on this is that I just need accountability 90 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: in situations where children are being abused, and in this case, 91 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 3: one was even psychologically and physically abused by being kidnapped, 92 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: and or rung A Tamariki stood on the sideline and watched, 93 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: so to speak to me, it's maladministration and it's not acceptable. 94 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Did they do any kind of investigation? Did they do anything? 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: They got these reports, they did a cursory examination and investigation. 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: It wasn't enough. They were inclined to be dismissive when 97 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: one of the family members, another family member applied to 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: the family court because or ung A Tamariki wasn't it 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: seems taking a sert of action to compound the pestilence. 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: Or ing A Tamaiki filed port for the family court 101 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: that misled the judge about the nature of the harm, 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: in other words, that it didn't put the true nature 103 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: of the harm and reality. And I found that very 104 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: very disturbing. 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: Have you lost complete confidence in these guys? 106 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: Well, what I want to say about confidence is that 107 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: you earn it. It's the same with the job I do. 108 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: It's the same job that anyone does. Ordering a tamariki 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: needs to obtain New Zealand's confidence. There are elements and 110 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: sights which work well. There are some where you don't 111 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: know what's going to happen, and this is a site 112 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: where we will need to have our confidence restored. I'm 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: going to look during the time I've got left in 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: the job at measures of performance and measures of success. 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: If complaints continue at this rate, they've got an awful 116 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: long way to go before they obtain my confidence and 117 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: I think the public's confidence. 118 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Peter, thanks very much for talking to us about that. 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: That's Peter Bosher, the chief Onwardsman. For more from Hither 120 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to News Talks it B 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.