1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:16,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. You All Blacks coach Scott Robertson 3 00:00:16,827 --> 00:00:19,507 Speaker 1: taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 4 00:00:20,347 --> 00:00:25,067 Speaker 1: on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gardner Holmes, 5 00:00:25,387 --> 00:00:27,267 Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder. 6 00:00:27,467 --> 00:00:31,387 Speaker 2: You saw sev Yes, it is welcome back into the show. 7 00:00:31,387 --> 00:00:33,387 Speaker 2: This is Weekend Sport on News Talks VB coming to 8 00:00:33,427 --> 00:00:36,427 Speaker 2: your live from the wonderful New Zealand Campus of Innovation 9 00:00:36,667 --> 00:00:38,987 Speaker 2: and Sports. Seven past one. I'm Jason Pine. It is 10 00:00:39,027 --> 00:00:41,267 Speaker 2: a great pleasure to welcome in the man, who, as 11 00:00:41,307 --> 00:00:44,027 Speaker 2: I said before one o'clock many believe, has the biggest 12 00:00:44,067 --> 00:00:46,507 Speaker 2: job in New Zealand, not the Prime Minister, but the 13 00:00:46,667 --> 00:00:49,547 Speaker 2: coach of the All Black Scott Robertson is here. Nice 14 00:00:49,547 --> 00:00:50,147 Speaker 2: to see you, Raisa. 15 00:00:50,187 --> 00:00:52,067 Speaker 3: How are you good afternoon? Good to be in the 16 00:00:52,107 --> 00:00:53,587 Speaker 3: hut and thanks having me on. Jason. 17 00:00:53,627 --> 00:00:55,547 Speaker 2: It's great to have you have you with us. I've 18 00:00:55,547 --> 00:00:57,107 Speaker 2: got a bunch of questions. You'll have some as well. 19 00:00:57,187 --> 00:00:59,307 Speaker 2: Nine two nine two for the text or eight hundred 20 00:00:59,547 --> 00:01:02,187 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Scott's happy to take some of your 21 00:01:02,227 --> 00:01:05,667 Speaker 2: calls and questions. You were appointed All Blacks coach on 22 00:01:05,707 --> 00:01:08,787 Speaker 2: the twenty first of March twenty twenty three. You finally 23 00:01:08,787 --> 00:01:10,387 Speaker 2: got your hands on the squad. How are the four 24 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:12,187 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty six days in between? 25 00:01:13,267 --> 00:01:16,747 Speaker 3: Obviously had a few games in between that before you know, 26 00:01:16,787 --> 00:01:21,587 Speaker 3: the my last one down with the Crusaders, and spent 27 00:01:21,627 --> 00:01:24,467 Speaker 3: the off season painting getting all the selection of the staff. 28 00:01:25,787 --> 00:01:31,907 Speaker 3: So excuse me, the coaching group, management group finalized how 29 00:01:31,947 --> 00:01:34,547 Speaker 3: we're going to play and then had a whole super 30 00:01:34,587 --> 00:01:37,667 Speaker 3: season to select and what the seasons it's been. You know, 31 00:01:37,827 --> 00:01:41,387 Speaker 3: some great name has been put up through their performances, 32 00:01:41,907 --> 00:01:44,147 Speaker 3: and you know over that period of time, that year 33 00:01:44,147 --> 00:01:47,107 Speaker 3: that you've had, because you know, I've been coaching back 34 00:01:47,147 --> 00:01:48,987 Speaker 3: to back to back over a long period of time, 35 00:01:48,987 --> 00:01:50,587 Speaker 3: it was good just to sit back and reflect and 36 00:01:51,267 --> 00:01:55,347 Speaker 3: make sure you're plan for the biggest year ever. Fourteen tests, 37 00:01:55,507 --> 00:01:59,107 Speaker 3: nine of them away. So it's good to get some 38 00:01:59,147 --> 00:01:59,907 Speaker 3: players in front of Heather. 39 00:02:00,347 --> 00:02:02,147 Speaker 2: I was going to ask that because how challenging has 40 00:02:02,147 --> 00:02:05,107 Speaker 2: it been given the comparison to the last six seven 41 00:02:05,147 --> 00:02:06,507 Speaker 2: years or whatever it's been. When you're at the as 42 00:02:06,547 --> 00:02:09,067 Speaker 2: the Crusaders coach, you see your players week in week out. 43 00:02:09,067 --> 00:02:11,507 Speaker 2: You got a game on the weekend. How challenging has 44 00:02:11,507 --> 00:02:13,667 Speaker 2: it been to be patient and wait to get your 45 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:16,307 Speaker 2: hands on your team? 46 00:02:15,867 --> 00:02:19,107 Speaker 3: H Yeah, Look you've because you've gotten for a short 47 00:02:19,147 --> 00:02:21,787 Speaker 3: period of time. You've got their ten days before your play. 48 00:02:21,827 --> 00:02:24,107 Speaker 3: You've got all these ideas, you've got all these thoughts 49 00:02:24,107 --> 00:02:28,707 Speaker 3: how you're going to beat England, But how do you 50 00:02:28,947 --> 00:02:31,787 Speaker 3: put it off across simply enough? So you give them enough, 51 00:02:33,907 --> 00:02:37,587 Speaker 3: not too much, not too little. You know, that's the 52 00:02:37,627 --> 00:02:39,547 Speaker 3: fine balance and the art of it. So we've got 53 00:02:39,547 --> 00:02:42,067 Speaker 3: a lot of experienced players, you know, we've we've talked 54 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:45,107 Speaker 3: to them, We've we've covered up day by day. We've 55 00:02:45,107 --> 00:02:46,547 Speaker 3: got to have a check, you know. You've got to 56 00:02:46,547 --> 00:02:48,347 Speaker 3: get every day right, not just a ten days, You've 57 00:02:48,347 --> 00:02:50,027 Speaker 3: got to get every day right. There's the first time 58 00:02:50,027 --> 00:02:53,667 Speaker 3: we focused on how do we own our own areas? 59 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:57,627 Speaker 3: And then the connection piece, you know, and we'll talk 60 00:02:57,627 --> 00:03:00,107 Speaker 3: about agencys from out here. This is the perfect pace 61 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:00,467 Speaker 3: to do it. 62 00:03:00,587 --> 00:03:03,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a terrific facility in terms of coming up 63 00:03:03,867 --> 00:03:05,867 Speaker 2: with your squad. Let's talk a little bit about that. 64 00:03:05,987 --> 00:03:08,747 Speaker 2: The first god that you picked, did you come up 65 00:03:08,787 --> 00:03:11,787 Speaker 2: with a game plan first and then select the players 66 00:03:11,787 --> 00:03:14,067 Speaker 2: to implement that game plan. Or did you look at 67 00:03:14,107 --> 00:03:16,827 Speaker 2: the New Zealand Elite rugby landscape and say, Rod, I've 68 00:03:16,867 --> 00:03:19,227 Speaker 2: got those guys, here's the plan they might be able 69 00:03:19,307 --> 00:03:21,067 Speaker 2: to implement. Which way around was it? 70 00:03:21,187 --> 00:03:25,667 Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of both. You know, to 71 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:27,427 Speaker 3: to beat the team in front of you, your ability 72 00:03:27,507 --> 00:03:30,067 Speaker 3: to adapt. You know, if you're if you're going to 73 00:03:30,107 --> 00:03:35,347 Speaker 3: play really confronting head on game, go through teams or 74 00:03:35,427 --> 00:03:38,347 Speaker 3: go around teams, you've got to be able to do both. 75 00:03:38,427 --> 00:03:40,027 Speaker 3: And I think that's what we've done over the years. 76 00:03:39,987 --> 00:03:44,107 Speaker 3: Seven Wes. You know, got a high skill seat. You know, 77 00:03:44,107 --> 00:03:46,427 Speaker 3: we're physical, you know, can offload in the tackle, we 78 00:03:46,467 --> 00:03:48,387 Speaker 3: can go through, we've got a great set piece, we've 79 00:03:48,387 --> 00:03:52,827 Speaker 3: got some you know, a really a balanced group. And 80 00:03:52,907 --> 00:03:54,827 Speaker 3: then it's how you manage the game and who's in 81 00:03:54,827 --> 00:03:56,507 Speaker 3: front of you. We know that you know England style, 82 00:03:56,547 --> 00:04:00,307 Speaker 3: they pressure aside, they trom when they are in the 83 00:04:00,307 --> 00:04:03,427 Speaker 3: ground on you, and you've got to adapt to that. 84 00:04:03,467 --> 00:04:06,227 Speaker 3: You know, you might not give many options opportunities or 85 00:04:06,227 --> 00:04:08,747 Speaker 3: you might get a few, so be ready for both. 86 00:04:09,067 --> 00:04:10,347 Speaker 2: How did you come up with your captain? 87 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:11,707 Speaker 4: Uh? 88 00:04:12,707 --> 00:04:14,907 Speaker 3: The first thing for me is I look at that 89 00:04:15,027 --> 00:04:17,547 Speaker 3: as the on field captain, you know, the captaincy. Are 90 00:04:17,547 --> 00:04:20,387 Speaker 3: they successful as captain? How hard do they work? Are 91 00:04:20,387 --> 00:04:24,707 Speaker 3: they respected by the opposition? And obviously I've mentioned before 92 00:04:24,747 --> 00:04:28,307 Speaker 3: with Scott's scooter it's easy because if you Scott's scooter 93 00:04:28,467 --> 00:04:32,187 Speaker 3: is that he's all of those. We've got a great 94 00:04:32,227 --> 00:04:35,747 Speaker 3: relationship and he's the man. 95 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:39,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you allow him? I think I heard you say, 96 00:04:39,467 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 2: but did you allow him to select his vice captains 97 00:04:42,627 --> 00:04:44,347 Speaker 2: or did you have a hand in that as well? Oh? No, 98 00:04:44,507 --> 00:04:44,907 Speaker 2: for sure. 99 00:04:44,947 --> 00:04:47,787 Speaker 3: You know, I gave him a plenty of time to 100 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:52,587 Speaker 3: think about the role, and he talked to Smiley as 101 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:56,907 Speaker 3: you do if you're a Barrett. Yep, God bless the 102 00:04:56,947 --> 00:05:01,187 Speaker 3: Barretts and the you know, he went through the process 103 00:05:01,187 --> 00:05:04,187 Speaker 3: and he's a deep thinker, and he, you know, was 104 00:05:04,947 --> 00:05:07,987 Speaker 3: when he came back, he was extremely he grateful for 105 00:05:08,067 --> 00:05:11,227 Speaker 3: the opportunity to humbled and ready to go. You know 106 00:05:11,307 --> 00:05:13,387 Speaker 3: that the period and time and the captain seeing the 107 00:05:13,387 --> 00:05:16,187 Speaker 3: success he had where the Crusaders was a great opportunity 108 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:18,427 Speaker 3: from the step up and where is it in his age? 109 00:05:20,507 --> 00:05:20,947 Speaker 3: You ready? 110 00:05:21,147 --> 00:05:22,387 Speaker 2: I feel like if you're asked to be the all 111 00:05:22,387 --> 00:05:24,747 Speaker 2: Blacks captain, you just say yes straight away? Or is 112 00:05:24,747 --> 00:05:27,107 Speaker 2: that not the case, because clearly he went away and 113 00:05:27,547 --> 00:05:29,027 Speaker 2: thought long and hard about it. Did you ever think 114 00:05:29,027 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 2: he might say no? 115 00:05:32,707 --> 00:05:32,747 Speaker 4: No? 116 00:05:32,867 --> 00:05:36,347 Speaker 3: I just know how he works. I think if you 117 00:05:36,547 --> 00:05:38,707 Speaker 3: have said no straight away that it'll be different. Like 118 00:05:38,787 --> 00:05:40,667 Speaker 3: he was noting when he asked me, when I asked 119 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:44,267 Speaker 3: him sorry, and we had the conversation and he goes, yep, yep, 120 00:05:45,187 --> 00:05:46,627 Speaker 3: I've just got to talk to a couple of people 121 00:05:46,627 --> 00:05:48,267 Speaker 3: when he did. That's just the way he works. People 122 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:48,787 Speaker 3: are different. 123 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:55,467 Speaker 2: And how conscious did you have to be when selecting 124 00:05:55,507 --> 00:05:59,747 Speaker 2: the team of your association with the Crusaders and making 125 00:05:59,787 --> 00:06:02,547 Speaker 2: sure that there was no suggestion that you were just 126 00:06:02,587 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 2: picking guys so you had a great knowledge of from 127 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:08,187 Speaker 2: time at the Crusaders. Did that come into your mind 128 00:06:08,187 --> 00:06:08,507 Speaker 2: at all? 129 00:06:09,067 --> 00:06:11,427 Speaker 3: Well, I'm picking the best players, you know. I think 130 00:06:11,467 --> 00:06:15,267 Speaker 3: that's the key thing. Whatever duties, they're wearing, the best 131 00:06:15,267 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 3: plats for that position in our country. Obviously he's going 132 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:24,827 Speaker 3: to be combinations and the you know, experience, and but 133 00:06:24,907 --> 00:06:27,787 Speaker 3: there was my mindset pick the best player. You know, 134 00:06:27,827 --> 00:06:32,027 Speaker 3: we've got a really good balanced squad and you know, 135 00:06:32,067 --> 00:06:34,187 Speaker 3: you always have people challenge your thoughts. You know, the 136 00:06:34,227 --> 00:06:37,107 Speaker 3: way we set it up with our selection and our criteria, 137 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:41,587 Speaker 3: with the selection, with the coaching staff doing it, and 138 00:06:42,187 --> 00:06:44,067 Speaker 3: some of the head a customer iron it when you 139 00:06:44,147 --> 00:06:46,667 Speaker 3: need to, and we had discussions. So look, I think 140 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:49,187 Speaker 3: it's really really balanced. And I think if you're a 141 00:06:49,227 --> 00:06:51,347 Speaker 3: coach and you've coached a team, it's naturally people ask 142 00:06:51,427 --> 00:06:53,787 Speaker 3: that question, isn't it. The last coach probably had the 143 00:06:53,787 --> 00:06:56,147 Speaker 3: same question as the last coach, the same question, so 144 00:06:56,267 --> 00:06:57,707 Speaker 3: that you're doing your job well. 145 00:06:58,987 --> 00:07:01,947 Speaker 2: I guess because I think people just assume and I'm 146 00:07:01,987 --> 00:07:04,947 Speaker 2: sure it's the case that you have got a deeper 147 00:07:04,987 --> 00:07:09,067 Speaker 2: relationship with so you've guided for nearly a decade in 148 00:07:09,107 --> 00:07:11,587 Speaker 2: black and red, you know what makes them tick, you 149 00:07:11,627 --> 00:07:13,987 Speaker 2: know what they're capable of. So I guess it would 150 00:07:13,987 --> 00:07:15,267 Speaker 2: be natural in any ways to say, you know what, 151 00:07:15,307 --> 00:07:17,147 Speaker 2: I know what that guy's about. I'm not quite sure 152 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:18,507 Speaker 2: about that guy. If it's a flip of the corn, 153 00:07:18,547 --> 00:07:19,627 Speaker 2: you take the guy you know, don't you. 154 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I suppose you've been an unconscious bias or 155 00:07:22,707 --> 00:07:24,947 Speaker 3: is a natural bias towards people you know, and you've 156 00:07:24,947 --> 00:07:28,547 Speaker 3: had desist and trust but still gonna be earned. I 157 00:07:28,547 --> 00:07:30,907 Speaker 3: think that's the first thing, you know, and you said 158 00:07:30,907 --> 00:07:33,787 Speaker 3: with a squad that we've picked these it's been earned. 159 00:07:34,467 --> 00:07:37,147 Speaker 2: And what about guys who you've worked with and had 160 00:07:37,147 --> 00:07:39,387 Speaker 2: a long relationship with. In fact, I'll give you a 161 00:07:39,387 --> 00:07:43,147 Speaker 2: specific example, David HARVILLI leaving him out of this squad. 162 00:07:43,347 --> 00:07:44,747 Speaker 2: How difficult a conversation was that? 163 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:50,987 Speaker 3: Just an honest one, really clear what he needs to do, 164 00:07:51,267 --> 00:07:54,307 Speaker 3: you know, to get into the squad. And while we've 165 00:07:54,347 --> 00:07:57,947 Speaker 3: done it, so that was as simple as that. Look, 166 00:07:57,947 --> 00:08:00,387 Speaker 3: he appreciates it because you're honest with people for a 167 00:08:00,427 --> 00:08:03,427 Speaker 3: long period of time, you build that trust and he 168 00:08:03,467 --> 00:08:08,987 Speaker 3: acknowledged it. You know, you probably hadn't put himself in 169 00:08:08,987 --> 00:08:12,347 Speaker 3: a position to be in that for And there's a players, 170 00:08:12,347 --> 00:08:14,987 Speaker 3: a couple of parers playing great footy and that's how 171 00:08:14,987 --> 00:08:15,987 Speaker 3: hard it is with the All Blacks? 172 00:08:16,867 --> 00:08:19,667 Speaker 2: Why didn't you select Hoskins situtu. 173 00:08:21,947 --> 00:08:27,267 Speaker 3: Uh? As I've said before, it's important I understanding and 174 00:08:27,267 --> 00:08:28,267 Speaker 3: repeat and what I've said. 175 00:08:28,067 --> 00:08:30,707 Speaker 2: Before, just pretend it's for the first time. 176 00:08:33,187 --> 00:08:38,267 Speaker 3: Look Test football, it's very very physical with the ball 177 00:08:38,307 --> 00:08:42,347 Speaker 3: and without the ball, and it's especially with the loose forwards. 178 00:08:42,347 --> 00:08:46,987 Speaker 3: It's the ability to to influence on both sides. You know, 179 00:08:47,787 --> 00:08:51,907 Speaker 3: the PreCure cycles that you're on, the ability to you know, 180 00:08:52,027 --> 00:08:55,267 Speaker 3: be tackling for long periods of time. Your work right 181 00:08:55,347 --> 00:08:58,067 Speaker 3: off the ball is really really important. So there's conversations 182 00:08:58,067 --> 00:09:04,227 Speaker 3: I've had and we've put players that we believe can 183 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:04,627 Speaker 3: achieve that. 184 00:09:06,547 --> 00:09:08,747 Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that Ardie Save is likely 185 00:09:08,747 --> 00:09:11,347 Speaker 2: to be the starting number eight and therefore anybody else 186 00:09:11,387 --> 00:09:14,867 Speaker 2: in the number eight position is naturally going to be 187 00:09:15,467 --> 00:09:17,667 Speaker 2: a bit of a backup anyway, Well. 188 00:09:17,547 --> 00:09:22,547 Speaker 3: He will play the Yeah, start there, you can play footy. Yeah, 189 00:09:23,587 --> 00:09:28,307 Speaker 3: he's a great, great influence, great leader, Like he's awesome 190 00:09:28,707 --> 00:09:34,027 Speaker 3: around the environment. And look here, tally likely he's going 191 00:09:34,027 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: to he's going to start in the team and you know, 192 00:09:36,907 --> 00:09:38,787 Speaker 3: like what he did the World Cup and he's don't know, 193 00:09:38,947 --> 00:09:42,787 Speaker 3: your last few years of influence on off the field 194 00:09:42,867 --> 00:09:43,507 Speaker 3: is very critical. 195 00:09:43,907 --> 00:09:46,387 Speaker 2: Tell us about the brief that you gave to each 196 00:09:46,387 --> 00:09:49,267 Speaker 2: of your assistant coaches around selection. I spoke to Jason 197 00:09:49,267 --> 00:09:50,907 Speaker 2: Holland on the radio at the beginning of the week, 198 00:09:51,107 --> 00:09:53,947 Speaker 2: just after the team was naming. I got the midfield backs, 199 00:09:53,947 --> 00:09:57,227 Speaker 2: Scott Hanson got you half backs and first flights. You 200 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:59,387 Speaker 2: still had the power to veto though presumably. 201 00:10:00,267 --> 00:10:05,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what that's why you're the head coach. Here goes. 202 00:10:05,707 --> 00:10:07,947 Speaker 3: If things don't go well on you, you get the 203 00:10:07,947 --> 00:10:11,067 Speaker 3: opportunity to make the calls. And it's going to be 204 00:10:11,067 --> 00:10:17,507 Speaker 3: always a debate along the way. In lock ninety percent 205 00:10:17,587 --> 00:10:20,987 Speaker 3: of them were we agreed, and it's like most things, 206 00:10:20,987 --> 00:10:23,627 Speaker 3: it says the last couple that you go deep on 207 00:10:23,707 --> 00:10:25,147 Speaker 3: and then if you have to make a call, you do. 208 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:27,827 Speaker 2: You've got Rugby Championship and then the end of your tour. 209 00:10:27,867 --> 00:10:29,547 Speaker 2: How many guys you reckon you'll need this year? 210 00:10:29,627 --> 00:10:33,107 Speaker 3: Forty Yeah, on average, we looked at the numbers. There's 211 00:10:33,107 --> 00:10:35,907 Speaker 3: somewhere between sort of forty maybe to forty four if 212 00:10:35,947 --> 00:10:38,667 Speaker 3: fits a little bit more difficult, but so there's going 213 00:10:38,747 --> 00:10:41,987 Speaker 3: to be opportunities. You know, there's the squad's going to 214 00:10:41,987 --> 00:10:46,187 Speaker 3: be in three different squads this year. We're we're going 215 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:49,227 Speaker 3: on an incredible end of the year tour as you know, 216 00:10:50,347 --> 00:10:52,427 Speaker 3: and these an AB's fifteen as well. So there's a 217 00:10:52,467 --> 00:10:54,747 Speaker 3: lot of selections or opportunities for people to play and 218 00:10:54,787 --> 00:10:57,027 Speaker 3: get themselves in a black jersey. 219 00:10:57,347 --> 00:11:00,307 Speaker 2: How do you assess the depth of I'll give you 220 00:11:00,347 --> 00:11:03,347 Speaker 2: a couple of positions, Locke. We lost Sam white Lock, 221 00:11:03,427 --> 00:11:06,067 Speaker 2: Brody Retelling. We almost lost Patrick two a lot of 222 00:11:06,427 --> 00:11:09,627 Speaker 2: but incredibly as powers of a recovery were beyond what 223 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:13,547 Speaker 2: any of us imagined. ADI was the sl at lock forward. 224 00:11:16,227 --> 00:11:18,747 Speaker 3: It's interesting when you do like two in a row, 225 00:11:18,867 --> 00:11:21,627 Speaker 3: like two at the same time, sorry, the highest quality you. 226 00:11:23,107 --> 00:11:23,187 Speaker 4: Do. 227 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:25,747 Speaker 3: Look and reflect and obviously with Petty coming in for 228 00:11:25,867 --> 00:11:30,027 Speaker 3: the odd tests, you've got scooters on sixty odd and 229 00:11:30,107 --> 00:11:33,747 Speaker 3: you've you know the Josh Lord's been injured the majority 230 00:11:33,787 --> 00:11:36,587 Speaker 3: of the year and test locks are big, they're beg, 231 00:11:36,627 --> 00:11:40,387 Speaker 3: they're tor men or they're extremely mobile and you look 232 00:11:40,387 --> 00:11:45,027 Speaker 3: at the Irish a second row, just the incredible mobility 233 00:11:45,067 --> 00:11:48,947 Speaker 3: of it. So look this one area like in the 234 00:11:49,027 --> 00:11:51,467 Speaker 3: obviously with Petty coming back, made a massive difference for us. 235 00:11:51,507 --> 00:11:54,987 Speaker 3: But you know, we've got a merging merging place program 236 00:11:55,027 --> 00:11:58,027 Speaker 3: that we tag in with, you know, looking at them 237 00:11:58,067 --> 00:11:59,907 Speaker 3: on and off field. We're trying to fast track them 238 00:11:59,907 --> 00:12:02,107 Speaker 3: as possibly can to make sure they come through and 239 00:12:02,147 --> 00:12:04,307 Speaker 3: get the size on they get the aerial schools that 240 00:12:04,427 --> 00:12:09,267 Speaker 3: required a lot of them. You know, tor men take time, 241 00:12:09,787 --> 00:12:12,187 Speaker 3: they're a little bit longer than others. You know, they 242 00:12:12,227 --> 00:12:14,587 Speaker 3: can develop blade you know, Sam Dary's in with us. 243 00:12:14,627 --> 00:12:17,307 Speaker 3: You know he's said, as Sam White, I've got good 244 00:12:17,307 --> 00:12:20,667 Speaker 3: feet work, footwork, he's got a great engine. So him 245 00:12:20,707 --> 00:12:22,307 Speaker 3: just being in this week and being around in his 246 00:12:22,507 --> 00:12:25,827 Speaker 3: injurycovery is you know, he'll just grow and he'll come quick. 247 00:12:26,347 --> 00:12:29,347 Speaker 2: And by comparison, there seems to be any number of 248 00:12:29,387 --> 00:12:32,707 Speaker 2: loose forward you could have chosen. Yeah, their opposition of us. 249 00:12:32,867 --> 00:12:34,867 Speaker 2: Love watching all the six, sevens and eight running around. 250 00:12:34,867 --> 00:12:38,747 Speaker 3: Are you oh, the quality of the depth, the different 251 00:12:38,787 --> 00:12:41,067 Speaker 3: skill set, you know, your trademarks have got, you know, 252 00:12:41,187 --> 00:12:44,947 Speaker 3: things that they go back to their strengths, you know, 253 00:12:45,027 --> 00:12:48,027 Speaker 3: under the head of the game. And you know, like 254 00:12:48,027 --> 00:12:51,267 Speaker 3: like I as a prime example, what a season, breakout 255 00:12:51,307 --> 00:12:54,867 Speaker 3: season for him, both break great, both sides of the ball, 256 00:12:55,627 --> 00:12:58,667 Speaker 3: so quick in the line out. But to pay seven, 257 00:12:58,747 --> 00:13:00,787 Speaker 3: eight and two positions. And that's a great thing about 258 00:13:00,987 --> 00:13:03,907 Speaker 3: the loose food ward group that we've got here. They 259 00:13:03,947 --> 00:13:09,227 Speaker 3: all can play two positions, you know, especially if you're 260 00:13:09,227 --> 00:13:11,307 Speaker 3: going to be on the bench, if you're going to 261 00:13:11,307 --> 00:13:12,907 Speaker 3: come off the bench, you've got to play a couple 262 00:13:12,987 --> 00:13:13,987 Speaker 3: or three. 263 00:13:14,547 --> 00:13:16,267 Speaker 2: Are you do you think the data of the lock 264 00:13:16,347 --> 00:13:18,987 Speaker 2: loose forward utility you're gone or is that still a thing. 265 00:13:19,147 --> 00:13:19,387 Speaker 1: Yeah. 266 00:13:19,827 --> 00:13:22,507 Speaker 3: Look, I think Shennon Frazel was on a prime example 267 00:13:22,547 --> 00:13:26,867 Speaker 3: of that. Simmer Penny female can can do it all 268 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:29,627 Speaker 3: the other way around. You know, can go to six 269 00:13:29,667 --> 00:13:34,107 Speaker 3: if required, which has done many times just because you're 270 00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:36,147 Speaker 3: you're locking stock. So yeah, look you've got still got 271 00:13:36,227 --> 00:13:37,907 Speaker 3: hybrid players. You've got players you can play in a 272 00:13:37,907 --> 00:13:39,387 Speaker 3: couple of positions. Look at the South everrying and you 273 00:13:39,387 --> 00:13:42,507 Speaker 3: can go number eight hooker. And I think it's really 274 00:13:42,707 --> 00:13:45,307 Speaker 3: critical as you get closer to World Cup cycles, you're 275 00:13:45,787 --> 00:13:48,987 Speaker 3: you know, you're thirty three, that you're picking the versatility 276 00:13:49,507 --> 00:13:52,307 Speaker 3: and the ability to play two or three positions. We'll 277 00:13:52,347 --> 00:13:53,067 Speaker 3: get you in the squad. 278 00:13:53,227 --> 00:13:54,507 Speaker 2: You mentioned the World Cup there and I had that 279 00:13:54,587 --> 00:13:56,747 Speaker 2: written down. How much of what you do in twenty 280 00:13:56,787 --> 00:13:59,467 Speaker 2: twenty four is with an eye to the next Rugby 281 00:13:59,507 --> 00:14:01,187 Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty twenty seven. 282 00:14:03,227 --> 00:14:05,867 Speaker 3: Look, I think the importance of the de beat Jersey 283 00:14:05,947 --> 00:14:10,307 Speaker 3: is you winning develop There's a little bit of expectation 284 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:13,147 Speaker 3: that comes with that and I'm well aware of that, 285 00:14:13,347 --> 00:14:19,987 Speaker 3: and so it's important the win the test bats in 286 00:14:19,987 --> 00:14:23,587 Speaker 3: front of you, but grow people give them opportunities, get 287 00:14:23,587 --> 00:14:28,507 Speaker 3: them in combinations and so they over you set them 288 00:14:28,547 --> 00:14:30,987 Speaker 3: up to succeed over the next four years. Try them. 289 00:14:31,027 --> 00:14:33,987 Speaker 3: Are they test for ballers? Can they handle it? Can 290 00:14:34,027 --> 00:14:37,507 Speaker 3: you the weeks have big, the expectations high, the pressures 291 00:14:37,507 --> 00:14:38,987 Speaker 3: are and we get them ready for it, and then 292 00:14:38,987 --> 00:14:42,187 Speaker 3: the opportunities for them when we find out and in 293 00:14:42,267 --> 00:14:43,227 Speaker 3: some people surprise you. 294 00:14:43,747 --> 00:14:46,747 Speaker 2: What about guys who you aren't sure will make it 295 00:14:46,787 --> 00:14:49,587 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty seven? You know, they're in their thirties 296 00:14:49,827 --> 00:14:51,947 Speaker 2: and there is some guys in your squad with you know, 297 00:14:51,987 --> 00:14:55,507 Speaker 2: a lot of experience, who might Who is everybody who's 298 00:14:55,747 --> 00:14:59,467 Speaker 2: been picked this week? Do you think that they'll be 299 00:15:00,027 --> 00:15:02,987 Speaker 2: eligible or available in twenty twenty seven? 300 00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:07,707 Speaker 3: All going well, it's a good question without going through 301 00:15:07,707 --> 00:15:10,907 Speaker 3: the food od that we're here. Off the top of 302 00:15:10,987 --> 00:15:18,587 Speaker 3: my mind, Oh look, it's amazing how old you can get, 303 00:15:18,707 --> 00:15:23,107 Speaker 3: you know, no joint injuries in your career, the longevity 304 00:15:23,147 --> 00:15:28,267 Speaker 3: can get after looking after your body, the you know, 305 00:15:28,347 --> 00:15:32,147 Speaker 3: the sports science, the recovery is incredible and like they're 306 00:15:32,147 --> 00:15:34,107 Speaker 3: playing good Arabian like look at look at the South 307 00:15:34,107 --> 00:15:37,347 Speaker 3: African team. They had a lot of goal older mature 308 00:15:37,427 --> 00:15:42,747 Speaker 3: players that had great leadership and in the last all 309 00:15:42,787 --> 00:15:44,787 Speaker 3: back squad that went over you know, it's still playing 310 00:15:44,787 --> 00:15:48,027 Speaker 3: good foot den look at us Dane culture to look 311 00:15:48,067 --> 00:15:52,147 Speaker 3: at his you know, contribution on and off the field, 312 00:15:52,227 --> 00:15:54,627 Speaker 3: So you need them for sure. Look I can't answer 313 00:15:55,067 --> 00:15:58,387 Speaker 3: right now four years out, but I'm sure there are 314 00:15:58,587 --> 00:16:00,107 Speaker 3: in any way. 315 00:16:00,387 --> 00:16:01,747 Speaker 2: Just a couple of more if you take a break, 316 00:16:02,827 --> 00:16:05,627 Speaker 2: how much of what was so successful for you at 317 00:16:05,627 --> 00:16:11,067 Speaker 2: the Crusaders is transferable into the all blacks environment, all. 318 00:16:10,987 --> 00:16:13,347 Speaker 3: The culture and leadership stuff and like on field coaching. 319 00:16:13,387 --> 00:16:15,547 Speaker 3: That's how I sort of break it up those three areas. 320 00:16:16,467 --> 00:16:19,507 Speaker 3: You've got to get your game right along with your 321 00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:23,747 Speaker 3: leadership how they how do they drive the team on 322 00:16:23,867 --> 00:16:25,627 Speaker 3: and off the field. And then also the cultural but 323 00:16:25,867 --> 00:16:28,507 Speaker 3: you know which identity, who you are, where you're playing for, 324 00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:33,267 Speaker 3: what do you care about? Any involves in responsibilities and 325 00:16:33,347 --> 00:16:35,347 Speaker 3: then there comes with the cultural the people side of it. 326 00:16:35,387 --> 00:16:38,027 Speaker 3: So a lot of that transference comes along. And it's 327 00:16:38,067 --> 00:16:40,907 Speaker 3: a black jersey. We're taking it to a whole country now. 328 00:16:41,107 --> 00:16:46,067 Speaker 3: You know, we've got a great responsibility that we've been 329 00:16:46,067 --> 00:16:49,187 Speaker 3: given by you know, our ancestors and the people that 330 00:16:49,227 --> 00:16:51,227 Speaker 3: have played in our juwsey before and all the fans 331 00:16:51,307 --> 00:16:54,507 Speaker 3: that have been with us along along the way. So 332 00:16:55,507 --> 00:16:56,467 Speaker 3: it's just a lot bigger. 333 00:16:58,107 --> 00:16:59,867 Speaker 2: If I'm just trying to think of the right way 334 00:16:59,907 --> 00:17:02,427 Speaker 2: to ask this question. But if someone looked down from 335 00:17:02,507 --> 00:17:04,667 Speaker 2: above and wasn't able to see whether you were the 336 00:17:04,627 --> 00:17:07,027 Speaker 2: Crusaders coach of the All Blacks coach, well they notice 337 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:08,867 Speaker 2: a difference. I do you think you'll be different in 338 00:17:08,867 --> 00:17:12,107 Speaker 2: an All Blacks environment than you were in the Crusader's environment. 339 00:17:12,707 --> 00:17:13,427 Speaker 3: What do you think? 340 00:17:13,427 --> 00:17:15,187 Speaker 2: Well, I think they probably will be. I think they 341 00:17:15,227 --> 00:17:17,667 Speaker 2: probably will be. Like I'm interested to know how though. 342 00:17:18,427 --> 00:17:20,987 Speaker 3: Look on I'm still the same person. I'm not going 343 00:17:21,067 --> 00:17:23,947 Speaker 3: to you know, the the energy I bring every day 344 00:17:23,987 --> 00:17:25,587 Speaker 3: and the enjoyment of it. And you know that we 345 00:17:25,747 --> 00:17:28,587 Speaker 3: just hit a couple of hours training and I'm walking 346 00:17:28,627 --> 00:17:33,907 Speaker 3: around observing chipping when I need to, giving a little 347 00:17:33,907 --> 00:17:38,147 Speaker 3: bit of feedback to the coaches to just using my eye. 348 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:41,667 Speaker 3: But because of you know, the on field and off 349 00:17:41,667 --> 00:17:44,707 Speaker 3: field stuff. You know, we've got a commercial manager now 350 00:17:44,827 --> 00:17:47,947 Speaker 3: and a rugby manager. You know, we've got two CEOs 351 00:17:47,947 --> 00:17:51,027 Speaker 3: in our organization. There's a couple of hundred staff. So 352 00:17:51,147 --> 00:17:53,227 Speaker 3: it's a bigger to give you a context. You know, 353 00:17:53,347 --> 00:17:57,467 Speaker 3: I don't know five seven lawyers. You know, we've got 354 00:17:58,587 --> 00:18:04,027 Speaker 3: it's a big so you need incredible coaching group around 355 00:18:04,067 --> 00:18:07,707 Speaker 3: you and incredible management and they have to be world leading. 356 00:18:07,747 --> 00:18:10,587 Speaker 3: They truly do so. You know, I do my thing, 357 00:18:10,627 --> 00:18:12,347 Speaker 3: but you have to give ownership and trust to so 358 00:18:12,427 --> 00:18:16,067 Speaker 3: many people to go and and own their role and 359 00:18:16,067 --> 00:18:20,267 Speaker 3: make the place, will get the post prepared for you 360 00:18:20,427 --> 00:18:21,227 Speaker 3: to be the best they can. 361 00:18:21,707 --> 00:18:24,307 Speaker 2: Last question before the break is around how big it 362 00:18:24,387 --> 00:18:27,227 Speaker 2: is and how little time you have? How do you 363 00:18:27,707 --> 00:18:30,707 Speaker 2: work out the best use each day and each hour? 364 00:18:30,787 --> 00:18:32,587 Speaker 2: I mean you've given us an hour. This is incredible. 365 00:18:32,627 --> 00:18:34,427 Speaker 2: I know you're so busy, but how do you work 366 00:18:34,467 --> 00:18:36,427 Speaker 2: out the best use of every hour in your day? 367 00:18:37,907 --> 00:18:41,067 Speaker 3: Look, you've got to have time for people. It's number one. 368 00:18:41,627 --> 00:18:46,787 Speaker 3: And you've got to get your planning done early, and 369 00:18:46,827 --> 00:18:50,947 Speaker 3: then it's getting getting time in front, eyes on, eyes 370 00:18:51,787 --> 00:18:55,227 Speaker 3: around the opportunities when you're eating their connection piece on 371 00:18:55,307 --> 00:18:58,187 Speaker 3: and off, being a steppy head looking not what that 372 00:18:58,347 --> 00:19:00,427 Speaker 3: day is, but the next week is in a couple 373 00:19:00,427 --> 00:19:02,547 Speaker 3: of weeks. You know, when you start getting into the 374 00:19:02,627 --> 00:19:07,707 Speaker 3: NBC and you've got guys paying, you're looking at the 375 00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,027 Speaker 3: schedule for the NPC, You've got all the injured guys 376 00:19:10,027 --> 00:19:12,827 Speaker 3: that are coming back and forward. You know, you're starting 377 00:19:12,827 --> 00:19:16,627 Speaker 3: to work with Clayton McMillan around eight or backs fifteen, 378 00:19:16,987 --> 00:19:19,547 Speaker 3: you're starting to share, so there's a lot of big 379 00:19:19,587 --> 00:19:22,867 Speaker 3: picture stuff that comes along with it, and I love it. 380 00:19:22,947 --> 00:19:27,787 Speaker 3: I really enjoy it. I love forecasting being ahead. Not 381 00:19:27,907 --> 00:19:32,747 Speaker 3: just like I said, from now until the end of 382 00:19:32,787 --> 00:19:33,067 Speaker 3: the year. 383 00:19:34,067 --> 00:19:36,707 Speaker 2: Our guest at the New Zealand Campus Innovation and Sport, 384 00:19:36,747 --> 00:19:38,507 Speaker 2: of course, is one thirty on news talks there. But 385 00:19:38,547 --> 00:19:40,907 Speaker 2: you got another fifteen minutes or so with Scott Robertson here. 386 00:19:40,987 --> 00:19:43,227 Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones and get some questions from 387 00:19:43,267 --> 00:19:46,467 Speaker 2: our audience. Stuart, your question for us, Scott Robertson. 388 00:19:47,747 --> 00:19:52,987 Speaker 4: Oh, thanks, thanks, gentlemen for the opportunity, coach. I know 389 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:56,267 Speaker 4: it's not a good thing to jump ahead to future 390 00:19:56,347 --> 00:20:01,187 Speaker 4: test matches. I'm just thinking about the Rugby Championship and 391 00:20:01,227 --> 00:20:06,867 Speaker 4: the two test matches coming up in South Africa. I 392 00:20:06,987 --> 00:20:13,627 Speaker 4: noted that the South Africans employed a situation where they 393 00:20:13,667 --> 00:20:18,107 Speaker 4: had eight forwards in the reserves. I think they called 394 00:20:18,147 --> 00:20:21,827 Speaker 4: it like an eight mild split. And it occurs to 395 00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,867 Speaker 4: me that you could almost with a big forward, you 396 00:20:24,867 --> 00:20:28,147 Speaker 4: could almost have two lots of forwards in an eighty 397 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:33,227 Speaker 4: minute test match. I know it's the gamble, but do 398 00:20:32,507 --> 00:20:35,307 Speaker 4: you do you fear something like that or do you 399 00:20:35,387 --> 00:20:39,307 Speaker 4: see some merit in an eight yal split? 400 00:20:39,427 --> 00:20:44,147 Speaker 3: Sir, good question, Thanks Stuart, thanks for calling. And it's 401 00:20:45,027 --> 00:20:48,627 Speaker 3: an eight. I'm not sure about eight. Sometimes it's seven, 402 00:20:49,947 --> 00:20:53,947 Speaker 3: seven one or sixties split, but this an whole four pack. 403 00:20:54,067 --> 00:20:59,187 Speaker 3: Jason one wants next. I just say that he'll probably 404 00:20:59,267 --> 00:21:02,067 Speaker 3: employ it. But look, I think especially in Said Africa, 405 00:21:02,107 --> 00:21:05,827 Speaker 3: that's this is strength. You know, they've the impact that 406 00:21:05,867 --> 00:21:09,307 Speaker 3: they can bring on personally. If he lose it back early, 407 00:21:09,467 --> 00:21:11,107 Speaker 3: it makes things a little bit difficult. You're going to 408 00:21:11,147 --> 00:21:16,027 Speaker 3: lose wood on the wing potentially. But I look, let's 409 00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:20,387 Speaker 3: just talk about the trip to South Africa. It's a 410 00:21:20,387 --> 00:21:23,787 Speaker 3: hell of an opportunity and a hell of a test 411 00:21:23,827 --> 00:21:25,827 Speaker 3: for us to go to Joe get down the Cape 412 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:28,187 Speaker 3: down were men he cape down for seven eight years 413 00:21:29,667 --> 00:21:31,987 Speaker 3: like us playing down there. So to open that up 414 00:21:32,027 --> 00:21:34,467 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of Kiwis are coming over 415 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,827 Speaker 3: because it's special. You know, that's the special part. Those 416 00:21:37,907 --> 00:21:39,427 Speaker 3: are getting up in the middle of the night memories, 417 00:21:39,427 --> 00:21:43,387 Speaker 3: aren't they from a young kid to watch them great 418 00:21:44,147 --> 00:21:48,107 Speaker 3: heroes of ourselves all bi stalk come from behind, big 419 00:21:48,147 --> 00:21:50,347 Speaker 3: long drop kicks. We've had everything over there, so it's 420 00:21:50,347 --> 00:21:51,867 Speaker 3: going to be a special couple of weeks for us. 421 00:21:51,947 --> 00:21:54,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, Thank you, Stuar. I appreciate it. You've got 422 00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:57,387 Speaker 2: a question for Scott Robertson about his name I think 423 00:21:57,707 --> 00:21:58,347 Speaker 2: or his nickname. 424 00:21:58,427 --> 00:22:01,827 Speaker 5: Yes I have, but before I start, could I please 425 00:22:02,387 --> 00:22:07,227 Speaker 5: just congratulate Scott on his lovely doco on TV at 426 00:22:07,227 --> 00:22:11,747 Speaker 5: the moment called Razor, and I've been watching it. I 427 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:16,827 Speaker 5: think his next career might be in TV. Just before 428 00:22:16,867 --> 00:22:20,987 Speaker 5: I start. Ninety four years of age, and I've been 429 00:22:21,027 --> 00:22:25,227 Speaker 5: watching the Canterbury team ever since. Well I can't remember 430 00:22:25,267 --> 00:22:28,747 Speaker 5: when Robin Dianes was playing full back then and etc. 431 00:22:29,587 --> 00:22:33,307 Speaker 5: But I've always followed the Crusaders. Absolutely love them and 432 00:22:33,867 --> 00:22:37,467 Speaker 5: congratulations when you had them, and I hope you're as 433 00:22:37,467 --> 00:22:41,227 Speaker 5: successful as the All Blacks. Now, the question I was 434 00:22:41,267 --> 00:22:44,867 Speaker 5: going to ask you is how you got the name Razor? 435 00:22:45,467 --> 00:22:49,587 Speaker 5: And the other one is do you get annoy amount 436 00:22:49,627 --> 00:22:52,427 Speaker 5: of people and they're so called in the media as well, 437 00:22:52,587 --> 00:22:55,187 Speaker 5: you keep calling you Robinson. 438 00:22:56,667 --> 00:23:08,267 Speaker 3: Like you're right on. Yeah, look doc here it was 439 00:23:08,267 --> 00:23:10,707 Speaker 3: done a wall back and I think people appreciate off. 440 00:23:10,787 --> 00:23:12,747 Speaker 3: I actually can't watch you. I can't watch myself do 441 00:23:12,827 --> 00:23:15,347 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. So I'm glad people enjoying, so 442 00:23:15,467 --> 00:23:22,587 Speaker 3: thank you. And I look the nickname, well, it's a 443 00:23:22,627 --> 00:23:24,987 Speaker 3: long story. Somebody else gave me another nickname, WHICHAID didn't like, 444 00:23:25,027 --> 00:23:30,227 Speaker 3: so I gave myself my one, which is stuck. Fortunately. 445 00:23:30,267 --> 00:23:35,627 Speaker 3: And what happened was we had a guy David Knox 446 00:23:36,587 --> 00:23:40,347 Speaker 3: and pet Pat Howard did I want to cut for 447 00:23:40,387 --> 00:23:43,267 Speaker 3: the Brumbies. It was nineteen ninety six. The Crusades were 448 00:23:43,267 --> 00:23:46,427 Speaker 3: playing at links the Park then and I threw my 449 00:23:46,467 --> 00:23:48,027 Speaker 3: shoulder and cut him and half like it was a 450 00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:50,587 Speaker 3: good tackle. It was a Brillian pierceon and I got 451 00:23:50,587 --> 00:23:52,027 Speaker 3: off and just the shoulder off and one of the 452 00:23:52,067 --> 00:23:55,867 Speaker 3: boys said what are you doing And I said, you know, 453 00:23:56,067 --> 00:23:58,107 Speaker 3: just dusting off the blade and it's what do you mean? 454 00:23:58,787 --> 00:24:00,467 Speaker 3: And I said, oh, you know, they'll razor bow cut 455 00:24:00,507 --> 00:24:03,587 Speaker 3: himing half and through a little bit of branding a 456 00:24:03,587 --> 00:24:06,547 Speaker 3: lot a lot, you know, a bit of a song 457 00:24:06,547 --> 00:24:09,507 Speaker 3: and the dad's stuck. So he's the story. 458 00:24:09,787 --> 00:24:12,427 Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you Fai for your for your 459 00:24:12,627 --> 00:24:15,467 Speaker 2: call and your lovely words as well. Let's go to 460 00:24:15,507 --> 00:24:17,787 Speaker 2: pick Pete. What's your question for for your Blacks coach. 461 00:24:19,787 --> 00:24:22,427 Speaker 6: He did, Hey, I was just wondering what he sees 462 00:24:22,507 --> 00:24:25,707 Speaker 6: as the makeup for the half back first five combination 463 00:24:25,867 --> 00:24:29,947 Speaker 6: with Cortis Radama and d mek or does. 464 00:24:29,787 --> 00:24:34,347 Speaker 7: He see body at fallback or Stephen going to start there? 465 00:24:34,787 --> 00:24:37,787 Speaker 7: But the makeup there I think is really Pisa played 466 00:24:37,787 --> 00:24:41,787 Speaker 7: together during the during the season and they know each 467 00:24:41,787 --> 00:24:44,707 Speaker 7: other really well, and I think d mack will just 468 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:47,107 Speaker 7: keep him calm while he is here. If he does, 469 00:24:47,147 --> 00:24:50,387 Speaker 7: he this chance not to say that Fin's is great, 470 00:24:50,587 --> 00:24:53,267 Speaker 7: but are you looking at combinations here or is it 471 00:24:53,427 --> 00:24:56,147 Speaker 7: going to be something else depending on the makeup of 472 00:24:56,147 --> 00:24:58,267 Speaker 7: the English team. 473 00:24:57,947 --> 00:24:59,787 Speaker 3: You thinks, Pete, Can I ask you a question you from? 474 00:24:59,987 --> 00:25:02,027 Speaker 3: Was he from? 475 00:25:02,227 --> 00:25:02,707 Speaker 1: No? Not? 476 00:25:02,827 --> 00:25:09,387 Speaker 3: Actually Okay, wherever you go, everyone's a selected the whole local. 477 00:25:09,667 --> 00:25:12,947 Speaker 3: But yeah, a good question. Obviously Tuesday will definitely find out. 478 00:25:12,947 --> 00:25:15,507 Speaker 3: But you do look at combinations and someone like a Courtizatma, 479 00:25:15,587 --> 00:25:21,027 Speaker 3: who's wants to Taku Balow. He's a competity, works so 480 00:25:21,267 --> 00:25:24,987 Speaker 3: hard off the ball, is inside running, he's graded his craft. 481 00:25:24,987 --> 00:25:28,867 Speaker 3: Look Scoot hands and you know he's been working with 482 00:25:29,067 --> 00:25:32,667 Speaker 3: you know him from Afar all the half back to 483 00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:35,907 Speaker 3: around New Zealand and like he's really really impressed in 484 00:25:35,907 --> 00:25:39,867 Speaker 3: that combination with d mac as important. Look, I think 485 00:25:40,467 --> 00:25:43,027 Speaker 3: and Arra is playing some for they at the moment 486 00:25:43,147 --> 00:25:45,387 Speaker 3: come back off a injury like that at that highest level, 487 00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:49,187 Speaker 3: just put some perspective what an athlete in the person 488 00:25:49,227 --> 00:25:51,987 Speaker 3: he is. So look, we've got some choices to make 489 00:25:52,027 --> 00:25:56,107 Speaker 3: there and we'll see a Tuesday with a it's the selection. 490 00:25:56,187 --> 00:25:59,867 Speaker 2: Pete good man, Pete, thanks for your question. Let's move on. David. 491 00:25:59,907 --> 00:26:01,107 Speaker 2: You've got a question for the raiser. 492 00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,907 Speaker 7: Yeah, what's happened to the drop check? 493 00:26:05,907 --> 00:26:07,947 Speaker 2: What is happened to the drop kick? David wants to know? 494 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:15,827 Speaker 3: Razor jeez, good question the drop kick? Are we going 495 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:17,667 Speaker 3: to practice one in the next couple of days now 496 00:26:17,827 --> 00:26:19,947 Speaker 3: after you just mentioned that, Oh look there's a time 497 00:26:19,947 --> 00:26:21,467 Speaker 3: and place for it. Obviously England had been good at 498 00:26:21,507 --> 00:26:23,027 Speaker 3: anyt know they look, they want to World Cup game 499 00:26:23,027 --> 00:26:24,867 Speaker 3: off the back of it. You've got to have it there, 500 00:26:24,907 --> 00:26:27,427 Speaker 3: You've got you've got to put it in your bank 501 00:26:28,227 --> 00:26:31,107 Speaker 3: and to make sure it's three points. It's it's just 502 00:26:31,427 --> 00:26:35,067 Speaker 3: it's like you do with a penalty. So look, we've won, 503 00:26:35,187 --> 00:26:37,547 Speaker 3: we've won games on it before, so yep, it's on 504 00:26:37,547 --> 00:26:38,147 Speaker 3: the list. 505 00:26:38,027 --> 00:26:40,627 Speaker 2: Rest assured David. The drop kick is there? Are tim 506 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:41,667 Speaker 2: your question for Razor? 507 00:26:43,307 --> 00:26:47,267 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm just wondering what was the reasoning behind only 508 00:26:47,307 --> 00:26:49,947 Speaker 4: picking three specialized locks? 509 00:26:51,427 --> 00:26:51,667 Speaker 3: Yeah? 510 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:51,867 Speaker 2: Good. 511 00:26:51,987 --> 00:26:55,027 Speaker 3: I look with the squad of thirty two and the 512 00:26:55,587 --> 00:26:59,747 Speaker 3: simmer Penny female that can cover lock and just the 513 00:26:59,827 --> 00:27:02,707 Speaker 3: injuries at that time, we felt that was our best mix. 514 00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:04,947 Speaker 3: And because we can bring an injury cover, he brought 515 00:27:05,107 --> 00:27:07,627 Speaker 3: a young guy in like like I said, Dary, so 516 00:27:07,787 --> 00:27:10,267 Speaker 3: it gave herself fourth and that that was the reason 517 00:27:10,387 --> 00:27:13,307 Speaker 3: behind it. And also we've got some quality loose Fords 518 00:27:13,347 --> 00:27:15,827 Speaker 3: as well, so we've got the next one coming through 519 00:27:15,867 --> 00:27:18,667 Speaker 3: and some three experienced second roles. 520 00:27:19,107 --> 00:27:22,347 Speaker 2: Let's go to uh, Tony, what's your question Tony? 521 00:27:23,227 --> 00:27:27,267 Speaker 4: If I Scotty, what do you say to your team 522 00:27:27,587 --> 00:27:29,067 Speaker 4: when they don't follow instructions? 523 00:27:31,827 --> 00:27:33,547 Speaker 3: Who are you talking about? Here? Is this? You said 524 00:27:33,587 --> 00:27:40,947 Speaker 3: you see someone else in the households. 525 00:27:36,907 --> 00:27:38,747 Speaker 5: May or maybe the All Blacks? 526 00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:43,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we have to repect obviously if if if 527 00:27:43,827 --> 00:27:46,907 Speaker 3: you have, if they're not they're not delivering, it's either 528 00:27:46,947 --> 00:27:48,707 Speaker 3: you you look at yourself first. I think it's the first. 529 00:27:48,707 --> 00:27:52,427 Speaker 3: But how a you're delivering the message? Why isn't it 530 00:27:52,467 --> 00:27:58,107 Speaker 3: getting across? And then probably the big thing is check 531 00:27:58,147 --> 00:28:03,067 Speaker 3: for clarity and understanding and if it doesn't still keep working, 532 00:28:03,107 --> 00:28:04,467 Speaker 3: just give them an opportunity somewhere else. 533 00:28:05,147 --> 00:28:07,707 Speaker 2: Thanks for call, Tony. Let's go to Mark. What have 534 00:28:07,747 --> 00:28:08,547 Speaker 2: you got as a question? 535 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:08,827 Speaker 1: Mark? 536 00:28:09,707 --> 00:28:13,867 Speaker 6: Good afternoon? Our first all, congratulations Rasor on your appointment, 537 00:28:13,907 --> 00:28:19,947 Speaker 6: and congratulations for picking TJ. Jason's already asked one of 538 00:28:19,947 --> 00:28:23,307 Speaker 6: the questions for me, I'm I'm blue supporter, O. 539 00:28:24,467 --> 00:28:26,867 Speaker 4: What does Hoskin really have to do to get in? 540 00:28:26,947 --> 00:28:29,427 Speaker 4: And the other one in a lesson note? Maybe is 541 00:28:29,507 --> 00:28:31,427 Speaker 4: Rick Telly? 542 00:28:32,467 --> 00:28:34,467 Speaker 2: All right? Hoskins are two too? And Ricky Rickattelly both 543 00:28:34,507 --> 00:28:36,507 Speaker 2: missed the cut this time? Do they are they in 544 00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:37,187 Speaker 2: the picture still? 545 00:28:37,547 --> 00:28:39,507 Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, Costkin, because you and I had the conversation. 546 00:28:39,507 --> 00:28:41,147 Speaker 3: I talked them through the year and I showed him 547 00:28:41,227 --> 00:28:43,987 Speaker 3: what was required, so you know, you would talk about 548 00:28:44,107 --> 00:28:48,627 Speaker 3: individual conversations on the radio. But so he knows. Of course, 549 00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:53,107 Speaker 3: he's an opportunity to get back. And I mentioned a 550 00:28:53,147 --> 00:28:58,187 Speaker 3: lot before around the areas the what areas in rickit Telly? Yeah, 551 00:28:58,227 --> 00:29:02,467 Speaker 3: look he was, he was in the conversation. Looked at 552 00:29:02,547 --> 00:29:05,107 Speaker 3: him closely. Look our coach them through twenties nine personally 553 00:29:05,147 --> 00:29:09,907 Speaker 3: and which you we just believe these three hockeys are 554 00:29:09,947 --> 00:29:10,907 Speaker 3: the beast for us moving forward. 555 00:29:10,987 --> 00:29:16,587 Speaker 2: All right, and one final question on the phones another Mark, Hi, Mark, Hey. 556 00:29:16,467 --> 00:29:17,387 Speaker 6: Fin raise it. 557 00:29:17,867 --> 00:29:19,547 Speaker 5: Yeah, just a general question. 558 00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:22,427 Speaker 6: What does what does success gook like at the end 559 00:29:22,467 --> 00:29:25,467 Speaker 6: of raisers reign as all black coach, Oh. 560 00:29:25,427 --> 00:29:30,507 Speaker 3: Cured, It's like a good job interview. The good question. 561 00:29:31,627 --> 00:29:37,747 Speaker 3: Success looks like we've we've got a team that can 562 00:29:37,787 --> 00:29:42,507 Speaker 3: adapt and when the test met in front of them, 563 00:29:42,787 --> 00:29:46,507 Speaker 3: great depth in their squad, so guys can come in 564 00:29:46,587 --> 00:29:52,507 Speaker 3: and out and play different positions as we travel around 565 00:29:52,547 --> 00:29:54,587 Speaker 3: the world. That's what success looks like for us. 566 00:29:54,907 --> 00:29:57,147 Speaker 2: Good on your Mark, Thanks for your question. Thanks for 567 00:29:57,187 --> 00:29:58,827 Speaker 2: all your questions. I've got a couple more before we 568 00:29:58,867 --> 00:30:01,147 Speaker 2: knock it on the head. You've got other places to 569 00:30:01,187 --> 00:30:03,747 Speaker 2: be Raiser, keep spin and camp. I saw a photo 570 00:30:03,747 --> 00:30:06,107 Speaker 2: of been Paul Williams Paul Williams as well, So what's 571 00:30:06,147 --> 00:30:07,987 Speaker 2: there strategy or the restional behind that? 572 00:30:08,147 --> 00:30:12,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. It's important like they adjudicate the game, 573 00:30:12,147 --> 00:30:14,107 Speaker 3: don't they. So you need to be connected. You understand 574 00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:17,627 Speaker 3: what the rulings are, the interpretation because we've got laws, 575 00:30:17,667 --> 00:30:21,947 Speaker 3: as they call it, interpretation of laws, and that sometimes 576 00:30:21,987 --> 00:30:24,107 Speaker 3: can be frustrating for people and for us. So we're 577 00:30:24,147 --> 00:30:26,547 Speaker 3: trying to make as clear as possible as we possibly 578 00:30:26,627 --> 00:30:30,587 Speaker 3: can they give us, keep us consistently updated. Look at 579 00:30:30,587 --> 00:30:32,787 Speaker 3: the reef that we've got in front of them. What 580 00:30:33,427 --> 00:30:37,267 Speaker 3: is his personality? How does he ref and he gets 581 00:30:37,267 --> 00:30:39,387 Speaker 3: on field with us, you know, du Kate, we have 582 00:30:39,467 --> 00:30:42,067 Speaker 3: some tough training, you know, physical training, so he gets 583 00:30:42,067 --> 00:30:43,187 Speaker 3: a whistle in his hand as well. 584 00:30:43,787 --> 00:30:47,787 Speaker 2: How much scrutiny do you expect in this role. 585 00:30:50,187 --> 00:30:52,427 Speaker 3: As much as any other well black. 586 00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:57,827 Speaker 2: Coach compared compared to the scrutiny you receive this Crusaders coach? 587 00:30:57,987 --> 00:31:00,067 Speaker 2: How how elevated? 588 00:31:00,107 --> 00:31:00,467 Speaker 4: Is it. 589 00:31:02,307 --> 00:31:07,067 Speaker 3: Obviously extremely elevated? You know the expectation is on mentioned 590 00:31:07,067 --> 00:31:11,227 Speaker 3: before as high the responsibility of the role. It's something 591 00:31:11,267 --> 00:31:15,027 Speaker 3: I've prepared myself as for the last eleven years as 592 00:31:15,587 --> 00:31:19,747 Speaker 3: a head coach. You know, I've set myself up like 593 00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:21,947 Speaker 3: a player. Does you know you spend trying to as 594 00:31:22,027 --> 00:31:26,867 Speaker 3: many experience as you can. You know, from coaching my 595 00:31:26,907 --> 00:31:31,867 Speaker 3: club side to my NBC side to super side, it's 596 00:31:31,947 --> 00:31:35,507 Speaker 3: naturally the progression and up and all those experiences help you, 597 00:31:35,507 --> 00:31:37,507 Speaker 3: you know, to deal with the scrutiny. The biggest thing 598 00:31:37,507 --> 00:31:39,907 Speaker 3: is I got to know who I am, who I 599 00:31:39,987 --> 00:31:43,827 Speaker 3: need around me, and then there's an element I'm going 600 00:31:43,867 --> 00:31:45,667 Speaker 3: to enjoy it, but I've got I've just got to 601 00:31:45,707 --> 00:31:48,347 Speaker 3: own it as well. Then that's the biggest thing. If 602 00:31:48,347 --> 00:31:49,227 Speaker 3: it works or doesn't. 603 00:31:49,987 --> 00:31:54,707 Speaker 2: Do you have a close in a circle of people outside. 604 00:31:54,267 --> 00:31:57,427 Speaker 3: Of rugby, yep, yep. I've got two or three people 605 00:31:57,427 --> 00:32:00,187 Speaker 3: that I talk as mentors for the rugby side of 606 00:32:00,187 --> 00:32:02,667 Speaker 3: it and one or two on the outside of it. 607 00:32:02,747 --> 00:32:05,747 Speaker 3: You know, what do they see? How's the messaging? How 608 00:32:05,787 --> 00:32:07,387 Speaker 3: am I coming up cross. 609 00:32:08,587 --> 00:32:08,627 Speaker 4: To? 610 00:32:09,827 --> 00:32:11,427 Speaker 3: You know on field? Like I was talking about my 611 00:32:11,427 --> 00:32:14,827 Speaker 3: own personal dshapalia myself and and also just someone to 612 00:32:14,907 --> 00:32:20,107 Speaker 3: put a bit of perspective on life, because you know 613 00:32:20,147 --> 00:32:24,427 Speaker 3: it's going to come in some capacity and it's always 614 00:32:24,427 --> 00:32:25,987 Speaker 3: good to talk. That's how I work. I need to 615 00:32:26,027 --> 00:32:28,627 Speaker 3: talk through it with somebody and it just clears and 616 00:32:28,707 --> 00:32:29,027 Speaker 3: kiss me. 617 00:32:29,467 --> 00:32:33,507 Speaker 2: And in terms of the guidance you take. So there 618 00:32:33,507 --> 00:32:36,547 Speaker 2: are certain people who I mean, everyone's got an opinion, 619 00:32:36,547 --> 00:32:36,947 Speaker 2: as you know. 620 00:32:37,547 --> 00:32:39,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing. I think we need that. 621 00:32:40,267 --> 00:32:43,307 Speaker 3: You've got to embrace that. People like people, you know, 622 00:32:43,347 --> 00:32:47,547 Speaker 3: selecting rictellies and they're selecting courties right. Awesome. When you 623 00:32:47,627 --> 00:32:49,867 Speaker 3: lose that, there's the essence of what New Zerobi is about. 624 00:32:49,867 --> 00:32:53,107 Speaker 3: That's the DNA, the connection that people have got an opinion, 625 00:32:53,347 --> 00:32:56,907 Speaker 3: that connection to our beautiful black juicy and that and 626 00:32:56,947 --> 00:32:58,227 Speaker 3: that sits us on the wall stage. 627 00:32:58,387 --> 00:32:58,947 Speaker 2: You excited? 628 00:32:59,507 --> 00:33:02,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm looking forward to it, like you know, 629 00:33:03,307 --> 00:33:06,347 Speaker 3: the motions go you sort of. I'm really big folkus 630 00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:09,227 Speaker 3: on getting the week right so I can enjoy that, 631 00:33:09,547 --> 00:33:12,267 Speaker 3: so we can appear someone. A lot of my focus 632 00:33:12,267 --> 00:33:14,267 Speaker 3: goes on to the preparation, not so much the outcome, 633 00:33:14,307 --> 00:33:17,867 Speaker 3: and that's cloche cliche. And once I get the process right, 634 00:33:17,907 --> 00:33:19,347 Speaker 3: I can enjoy them much more. All right. 635 00:33:19,427 --> 00:33:22,787 Speaker 2: Just to finish this facility? Yeah, how cool. 636 00:33:22,547 --> 00:33:29,907 Speaker 3: Ain't Yeah? Look Kevin and Malcolm who who had the 637 00:33:29,987 --> 00:33:32,227 Speaker 3: vision to bring this alive. That's pretty incredible. A lot 638 00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:34,867 Speaker 3: of people have visions and putting into action and it's 639 00:33:34,867 --> 00:33:37,587 Speaker 3: still grow. You know, the Hut's thriving out here. It's 640 00:33:37,627 --> 00:33:40,827 Speaker 3: been much time before out here, but it's at works. 641 00:33:40,827 --> 00:33:43,747 Speaker 3: You know, it's two minutes to everywhere. It feels like home. 642 00:33:44,067 --> 00:33:51,587 Speaker 3: The food, you know, the bedrooms, the green room and 643 00:33:51,667 --> 00:33:53,947 Speaker 3: guess what it was the greatest date everyone Wellington this 644 00:33:54,027 --> 00:33:57,067 Speaker 3: morning it was bar me. It was like twenty degrees 645 00:33:57,067 --> 00:33:59,547 Speaker 3: and then it rained as we're walking off the fields, 646 00:33:59,547 --> 00:34:00,307 Speaker 3: so perfect timing. 647 00:34:00,587 --> 00:34:04,107 Speaker 2: All right, missus for the fans. Finally missus for the fans. 648 00:34:04,227 --> 00:34:08,027 Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I'll catch prage for everything is together. We 649 00:34:08,107 --> 00:34:10,347 Speaker 3: walk and we want to do this together. We want 650 00:34:10,347 --> 00:34:14,427 Speaker 3: to bring everyone together in just like the opportunity people 651 00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:19,827 Speaker 3: walked towards it embraced the challenges ahead. This will anti 652 00:34:19,947 --> 00:34:21,627 Speaker 3: sisted and that's what we'll do and we'll go and 653 00:34:21,707 --> 00:34:22,187 Speaker 3: have some fun. 654 00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:26,947 Speaker 2: Fantastic Rosa. Thanks for taking the time. It's been entertaining, instructional, educational, 655 00:34:26,947 --> 00:34:28,547 Speaker 2: and you've got somewhere else to be. Thanks for taking 656 00:34:28,547 --> 00:34:30,347 Speaker 2: the time to join us this after no cheers Briny. 657 00:34:30,347 --> 00:34:30,947 Speaker 3: Thanks everyone. 658 00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:32,387 Speaker 2: Scott Robinson or Black's coach. 659 00:34:32,427 --> 00:34:35,467 Speaker 1: Here on News Talks for more from Weekend Sport with 660 00:34:35,587 --> 00:34:39,027 Speaker 1: Jason Fine. Listen live to News Talks ed B weekends 661 00:34:39,027 --> 00:34:42,107 Speaker 1: from midday, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.