1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Joining me Tonight, Child fun Ceo, Josie Bigani, Josie good Evening. Hello, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: lovely to see you. Tim Wilson has here too, from 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: the Maximum Institute, Tim good evening to you, good evening. Now, Well, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: what do we think sort of a second chance here, 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Joseph fair enough? 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't go to jail. He isn't being 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: suspended from making a living for the rest of his life. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: That would be a pretty big price to pay. He's 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: entitled to in a living right. I mean, it worries 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: me when Steph just said then that he was apparently 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: looking at the woman's profiles of people who spoke up 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: against him. So you have to take it face value 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: that he has rehabilitated, that he's seen the impact his 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: behavior had, and you do have to give people a 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: second chance, right Otherwise, how do you distinguish between people 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: who get their life together and sort their shit out 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: and basically become decent human beings exactly and people who don't. 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: And also, it's kind of ironic for a lawyer to 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: be you know, because they're always arguing for sick people. 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: That's pretty low when you're saying the legal profession is 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: this great standard bearer of behavior. But of course Steth 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: Diber exception. 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: Actually, I have a brother in law who's a lawyer, 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: and I often quote to him the words of the 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: Babe of Bethlehem, which called them lawyers, woe to you 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: unmarked grades. Now I'm sure there are, and I know 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 4: in fact for a fact there are many very good 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: lawyers of great moral probity. But yeah, and look, I agree, 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: but I think I think lawyers as well. When we 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: think about the least trusted, it's us car salesman, lawyers, 34 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 4: and then journalists. So I speak as an ext journalist. 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: I think I can say that I'm a big fan 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: of second chances too. There are scrutiny and oversights in this, 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: so he has to He's been watched over, he lost it. 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 5: You know, he's stood down for three years. 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: And we're all talking about this guy. So I guess 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: there will there will certainly be people who won't go 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: to him because he is whom he is. 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, the only 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: truly global. 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: Brand, thirteen minutes away from Sexier on news talks. That'd 45 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: be Joseph Becgarney and Tim Wilson on the huddle tonight, guys. 46 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: I've got some breaking news for you, very important breaking news. 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: This is from a media release, The Big, the Big 48 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: debate between Nicola Here it is Nichol Willis and Ruth 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: Richardson is off. She's Ruth. 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 5: Yeah. 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: Ruth pulled out, I will not be a party to 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: a circus. This is Ruth Woods from the taxpaers and 53 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I'll not be a party to a circus or a 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: sideshow designed to distract from fiscal failure. 55 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: What does she think politics is? 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 5: Honestly, Josie, this was that sounds like you've just had 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 5: your Christmas present. 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: Take it away. 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: Not for the first time. I was really looking forward 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: to this because I reckon. You know, do you remember 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: when Elon Musk sort of challenged Mark Zuckerberg to a 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: cage fight, and Mark Zuckerberg sort of bare chested, said 63 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: send location, you know, and Ruth Richardson was like, you know, 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: I don't do pistols at dawn with a picture of 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: a fully clothed in her garden. So honestly, come on, 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: I want politics to get away from this idea that 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: it's something to do with diplomacy and kindness and you know, 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: sharing the ordeus and back into an argie bargie contest 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: of ideas, and god knows we need one. 70 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: You want you want to bring back the days of 71 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: and what's his name in. 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: Some fisticuffs in the corridors, but not the real stuff. 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: So you want politicians to be more like lawyers. 74 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: Because they're careful and US bureaucratic jargon. I want politicians 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: to be authentically Why do you think Trump was so popular? 76 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: Just cut across all that stuff so bad move that 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: gives Nichola willis the win. She's now won it. 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and Tim, it's interesting because when we got 79 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: the hay food today and in all of Nichola's comments, 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: she is she's played it really well. She's saying, you've 81 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: got me in the middle, Ruth on the right, and 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: then crazy labor over there on the left. 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: That's right. And if you're being bagged by the taxpayer's 84 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 4: union and labor, I guess well that's what centrism looks 85 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 4: like in twenty five and now and now Ruth Richardson 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: has handed her own head on a plate to Nikola Willis, 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 4: so it's and also ruined Josie's Christmas. That's the thing 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: I'm worried about, Josie. She's going to be sobbing into 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: her sobbing into her Lindau on Christmas Day because she 90 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: didn't get what she wanted. 91 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: I will be wafting around in a caftan with a 92 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: gin and tonic and I will not care. 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: Shan't care, shan'n't care at all. Now you'll be throwing 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: things in the rubbish of all Christmas. In fact, you 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: know Christmas. I think about Boxing Day when look at 96 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: you your rubbish bin, how full that thing gets after 97 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: you've over all your presence, and then imagine having to 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: wait two weeks before someone comes and collects it. Thankfully, 99 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: this is Auckland is Thankfully. I know they do this 100 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: in some parts of the country. In Auckland they have 101 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: just said nay to the trial, Josie, do you think 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: And it's one of those issues where people spoke out 103 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: and said nap, we don't want it, and the counselors 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: have actually listened to them. But the whole idea is 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: still not off the table. It could happen for everyone 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: permanently one day. 107 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: It's these crazy ideas that you can get people out 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: of cars by simply taking their car away I not 109 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: having parking places, and that you can get rid of 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: rubbish just by not giving them a big enough bin, 111 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 3: and like, I just won't like that, guys. And you 112 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: remember in the nineties, late nineties, I guess it was 113 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: in offices where they started taking the bins away and 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: putting in these little things on your desk where you 115 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: could put your apple core. And your lasted about a 116 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: nanosecond because everyone just you know, went, I'm not doing it. 117 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: I'm not. Don'd be silly. I've got rubbish, live with it. 118 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: It's annoying, Tim. You know, at this studio we've got 119 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: a problem with the bins because they've they've got a 120 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: couple of bins and then on this floor and the 121 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: one bin we the main one we have is in 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: the studio and fills up so quickly, and then Mike 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: Hoskin gets angry in the morning. 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean matth he fills it up 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 4: kerry Wood and fills it up. You Ryan, I'm sure 126 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: would be extremely obstemious when it comes to rubbish, you'd 127 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: eat your own apple cause you'd make sure that you 128 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: know it wasn't it wasn't rubbish. But look, I'm I'm 129 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 4: with the majority of Aucklanders who say, can you collect 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 4: my rubbish every week? Because well, our bin always gets 131 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: filled up? And why is that? 132 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 5: We've got four boys. 133 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: And we are literally providing taxpayers of the future, so 134 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: the council should be paying us to collect our rubbish. 135 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: You're welcome, exactly. 136 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: It's annoying. What do you make of this mega ministry? 137 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: We had MB and now we got M. I can't 138 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: even remember what it is, M sex something it's M 139 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: serves they're calling it, which is Cities, an Environment and 140 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: Transport MBM. 141 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: So the first thing is stop coming up with these 142 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: stupid names. And if you can't just call it, like 143 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: I don't know, the mega Industry of Business Development, which 144 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: is what MB should have been, should always have been 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: Ministry of Development or whatever economic development, this whatever meth ends, 146 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: whatever it's called, should be Ministry of Environment or planning 147 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: or something like that. So that tells me, though it's 148 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: not just a silly, bloody acronym. It tells me that 149 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: they have the thinking is all up here about shuffling 150 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: the deck chairs. Clump a whole lot of government departments 151 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: together and you'll deal with the lack of collaboration and coordination. Actually, 152 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: you've got to deal with a substance. And I just 153 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: think this whole focus on structure rather than thinking, why 154 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: is the public sector not delivering everything we need urgently? 155 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: You've got to change the culture. You've got to put 156 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: more risk in the design and the ideas and less 157 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: in the implementation. You know, you need those sorts of 158 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: ideas rather than just what we do in New Zealand 159 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: where we go, Let's just clump them all together and 160 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: they'll spend two years developing hr policies, branding you know, 161 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: I don't know straighteners in the toilet's haad rise. It 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: will all just be two years of doing nothing, building nothing, 163 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: doing nothing. 164 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm not a fan, tim Well. 165 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: I've got the name for it. Don't call it a 166 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: mega ministry. Call it a mega ministry, Make ALTI or 167 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: Great Again ministry. Actually, actually I'm kind of down with 168 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: this because these are it's a pretty coherent group of 169 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: ministries that are being put together. They are sort of 170 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: it's an attempt to enhance the RMA changes that are happening. 171 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: And also it reports to one minister, So you compare 172 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: that to say MB which reports to actually we looked 173 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: it up nineteen ministers and one parliamentary undersecretary. No one 174 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: owns that. One person will own this. 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 3: I'm optimistic, yeah, good, well, good for you, Tim, I'm not. 176 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 5: Fear that are here. 177 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: Jose is already in the KF ten cut clutching and guatonical. 178 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: Each has. 179 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: Somebody Here is text in Ministry of Urban and Regional Development, 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: Environment and Roads in the acronym as murder. Appreciate that. Guys, 181 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: Tim Wilson and Josey beganni on the Huddle tonight. 182 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 183 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 184 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.