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Speaker 1: UK correspondent is Devin Gray. Hey, Gevin Hi there right?

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Speaker 1: So this business with Keir Starmer pretty embarrassing. But once

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Speaker 1: it started, it continues, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does. And this is the third climb down,

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Speaker 2: the third U turn that Sakir Starmer has done, just

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Speaker 2: coming up to the first anniversary of him becoming Conservative

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Speaker 2: the leader of the UK taking over from the Conservative government,

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Speaker 2: and this one was particularly messy, shambolic scenes in Parliament

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Speaker 2: with so many different amendments being rushed through and his

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Speaker 2: own MP saying I've never seen anything so silly in

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Speaker 2: my life. One of them said, they went off to

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Speaker 2: go and get a banana, came back and was asked

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Speaker 2: to vote on something. They didn't have a clue what

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Speaker 2: they were voting on. This is all about trying to

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Speaker 2: reform the benefits Bill in the UK. It is massive.

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Speaker 2: It currently takes eleven percent of gross domestic product or

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Speaker 2: the total value of the economy each year. Last year

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Speaker 2: spending on welfare was roughly three hundred and thirteen billion

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Speaker 2: pounds six hundred and forty billion New Zealand dollars and

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Speaker 2: it's set to get much bigger, increasing by about a

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Speaker 2: fit over the next five years. So you know, Labor

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Speaker 2: was trying to sort this out. They said that they

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Speaker 2: needed to make these cuts, they made them, and then

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Speaker 2: they've decided that because the reb was saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: this is not what we stand for. You've got to

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Speaker 2: think again or we'll vote against it. The government had

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Speaker 2: to change things and change things quickly. And now it

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Speaker 2: looks like that the ten billion New Zealand dollars that

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Speaker 2: they're aimed to save will now not be saved. And

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Speaker 2: that's going to knock the Chancellor's forecasts off. And I

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Speaker 2: suspect we'll lead to tax cuts soon, tax rises, I should.

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Speaker 1: Say, ah, yep, most likely. I would imagine now what's

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Speaker 1: brought on these manslaughter changes Againsty's bosses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. So Lucy let be the biggest multiple

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Speaker 2: murderer of young children here in the UK in modern history,

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Speaker 2: currently serving fifteen whole life sentences for the murder of

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Speaker 2: seven babies and the attempted murder of seven others while

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Speaker 2: she was a nurse working with children and babies as

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Speaker 2: a hospital in Chester. Now there have been lots and

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Speaker 2: lots of concerns about her conviction. Much of it was

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Speaker 2: based on the fact that she was always on shift

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Speaker 2: when the babies were actually either dead or put into

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Speaker 2: very grave danger. But of course that isn't direct evidence.

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Speaker 2: Some of the evidence as well was around what she

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Speaker 2: wrote in her diary saying she was an evil person,

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Speaker 2: but again no direct link to that. So there have

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Speaker 2: been plenty of questions about her conviction, and now it's

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Speaker 2: materialized that three of her former bosses have also been

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Speaker 2: arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. In other words,

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Speaker 2: bosses and the senior leadership team at the Countess of

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Speaker 2: Chester Hospital where this happened between twenty fifteen and twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen should have noticed a rise, it's alleged, in the

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Speaker 2: fatality rate in their maternity, in their baby unit, the

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Speaker 2: neo natal unit, and should therefore have done more to

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Speaker 2: stop it. So that charge, or that potential charge, rather

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Speaker 2: of gross negligence manslaughter is all about were they doing

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Speaker 2: their job and did the fact that if they weren't

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Speaker 2: doing it properly, did that lead to the deaths of

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Speaker 2: these babies? But quite a twist in this extraordinary case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is quite the twist. Hey, Kevin, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you for your time, mate, look after Yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's Devin Gray, are UK correspondent.

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