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Speaker 1: Low energy.

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Speaker 2: Low energy.

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Speaker 3: Lower the energy, lower the energy.

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Speaker 1: Come on, high energy.

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Speaker 3: It's person. It is the twenty seventh of August, I believe,

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Speaker 3: in the year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. I believe.

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Speaker 1: Just checking that, yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: How I was down at the post office the other day, right,

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Speaker 3: I was at the post office and I was sending

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Speaker 3: a parcel overseas, and for some reason the post office,

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Speaker 3: when you've seen something of for seas, you've got to

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Speaker 3: fill out this really small form. It's as if, like

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Speaker 3: you know, computers hadn't been existed. You've got to fill

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Speaker 3: it out with your pen. And capitals love it. They

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Speaker 3: love a piece of paper. I mean that you couldn't

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Speaker 3: just fill out the details and then they printed out

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Speaker 3: and you sign it. Now you got to fill out

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Speaker 3: of those details and if you get anything wrong anyway,

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Speaker 3: I got right to the bloody end of it. Took

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Speaker 3: me freaking ages yet to find all these details about

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Speaker 3: the person you're sending to. It was only in the UK,

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Speaker 3: and bloody hell got to the end of it. You

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Speaker 3: know what I rape. I wrote the twenty sixth of

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Speaker 3: August twenty twenty five. Oh no, I got right to

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Speaker 3: the end and I put a five instead of four,

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Speaker 3: like an absolute helm mappet, and I had to do

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Speaker 3: the whole bloody thing again.

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Speaker 1: May as well be twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Really, so just flick it over now?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Because otherwise you just get this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what happened to twenty twenty two didn't happen? Do you

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Speaker 1: remember twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 3: There was something happened in twenty twenty two. I remember

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Speaker 3: there was something in twenty twenty two. I think like

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Speaker 3: at least one thing happened.

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Speaker 4: It was ever moving to like there was six sixty

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Speaker 4: years and stuff like that that was in between the

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Speaker 4: lockdowns the start of twenty two. Was that in between

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Speaker 4: the lockdowns? And then had the big one at the

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Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: When I think so, maybe when was the Rugby World.

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Speaker 1: Gut twenty twenty hold on the Rugby Cup as it

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Speaker 1: was last year, wasn't it twenty twenty three? Yeah, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, fifteen fifteen two thousand, nineteen twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Three selection and the matrix We've just skipped twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Someone's fucked up because nothing happened in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Did we have the woman's fooferable cup here or something

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Speaker 4: like that?

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Speaker 3: That's twenty two times about that about I reckon people?

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Speaker 3: What happened in twenty twenty two? What happened in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two?

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Speaker 4: The Beijing Winter Olympics?

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Speaker 3: Turmoil rocks British politics, A tree of crisises buffeted Pakistan,

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Speaker 3: a humanity Ariian crisis deepened somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Oh, and when did.

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Speaker 1: Russia invY into twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 3: Russia's invasion of Ukraine focuses attention in the Ukraine's for

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Speaker 3: playing their homeland for security abroad, Latin America moves left

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Speaker 3: Iranians protein thing.

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Speaker 1: Really nothing eveened?

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Speaker 4: You're reading the International one mate? You got to find

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Speaker 4: this Wikipedia pace it off here? Okay, Because January twenty three,

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Speaker 4: twenty third of January, COVID nineteen in New Zealand?

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Speaker 1: Two?

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Speaker 3: Were we still pretending to have COVID in twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 3: Would we move?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We did apparently because on the twenty third of January, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: COVID nineteen years and the whole of new little moves

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Speaker 4: to read under the COVID nineteen Protection Framework at eleven

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Speaker 4: fifty nine penty Mission of multiple community cases of the

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Speaker 4: COVID nineteen according to Wikipedia.

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Speaker 3: So do we shut down in twenty twenty two as well?

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Speaker 1: We did do it?

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Speaker 4: One that we did that we shut down heaps got

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Speaker 4: You got to remember that.

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Speaker 3: We kept shutting down.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Oh my god. I shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: asked for.

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Speaker 3: You know, the most depressing thing is that you know

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Speaker 3: that story that was out last week about kids that

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Speaker 3: hadn't been talked to. Oh god, it was of COVID

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Speaker 3: and COVID lockdowns and the effect of wearing masks in

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Speaker 3: front of TVs. And you've got all these kids starting

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Speaker 3: school now that were the COVID babies that can't speak.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, So I find it all depressed.

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Speaker 3: That's so depressing that we It's so depressing that we

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Speaker 3: took away the lives of children for adults because children

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Speaker 3: were fine.

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Speaker 1: It's never happened before in the history of the world.

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Speaker 3: We need to You've got to recalibrate, so you you

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Speaker 3: protect the children and anyways, and always always got to

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Speaker 3: go for the children first. You always got to think

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Speaker 3: about the future, always always with the children, not the end.

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Speaker 3: But we did everything for the oldies, didn't we.

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Speaker 4: Queen died o queeney.

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Speaker 3: She blessed the queen. Did old Tans get coronated that

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Speaker 3: year as well.

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Speaker 1: It was a year away that he got. It took

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Speaker 1: a year for the coronation last year.

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Speaker 3: To get all that weird shit together out of storage

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Speaker 3: for the coronation last year.

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Speaker 4: With the coronation, I don't know, took absolute helmets the

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Speaker 4: transmission gully. But the way opened up on the thirty

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Speaker 4: first of March.

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Speaker 1: That was a good day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I came moving on this. Look here. A eighth

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Speaker 4: of June, the Supreme Court overturnes the wrongful conviction of

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Speaker 4: Allen Hall. I don't know who that is.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's good, Yep.

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Speaker 4: Sure July anything happened near the first case of monkey

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Speaker 4: pox was deticted in Auckland on the ninth of July. Okay,

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Speaker 4: do you want to keep going or to.

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Speaker 1: Go to August? Just sort of pray see the.

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Speaker 4: Bones when you part of me, the boiler bones.

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Speaker 1: Pray see the bones, like, just read it over and

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Speaker 1: then just give us the give us the bullet points.

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Speaker 4: You might have to give me a sick then I

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Speaker 4: only mar Okay, the messon the remains of two children

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Speaker 4: are firm. Inness six point four magnitude earthquake occurs in

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Speaker 4: the Okay, not interested in that.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 4: Two restoration workers become the first people to enter that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I want to hear that one nah restraction

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Speaker 4: World Crossius Cathedral since February two.

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Speaker 1: Thy did you see that the other day? Have morth

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Speaker 1: balled it? Yeah? They've spent like heat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean that's that's the logical fallacy of

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Speaker 3: if you've spent stuff, you keep spending on it.

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Speaker 1: I agree with mothballing it. But they but they're mothballing

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Speaker 1: it and they're putting a thing around it, they're making

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Speaker 1: So that whole square, they've spent so much money on that,

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Speaker 1: And it was really interesting because there was I remember

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Speaker 1: the point where they went should we do this or

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Speaker 1: should we not do this? And they went, let's not

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Speaker 1: do this. It's going to be too expensive.

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Speaker 3: It was going to be one hundred and eighty million,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in the more two hundred and something.

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Speaker 1: And then they went, it's it's going to cost too much.

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Speaker 1: And then some guys got together, some dudes got together

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Speaker 1: got to save it. And then a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: and then they've gone, it's actually way more expensive than

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Speaker 1: what we thought. And they've spent years. I mean Jamandersen

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Speaker 1: and Philip Burden, they really wanted it, and so a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of people. I mean, imagine if you were

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Speaker 1: one of the donors that's given like half a million dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: want to do. And now, oh man, they should have

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Speaker 1: at the start. And I don't have any connection to

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Speaker 1: and who gives a shit when I say but I

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Speaker 1: would have thought that from the start they could have gone, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what what will be cool is if we

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Speaker 1: keep some of the facade of it and then we

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Speaker 1: create this brand new building. And so when we look

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Speaker 1: melded together. There's heaps of really cool examples overseas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we'll make it into this cool looking thing that

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Speaker 1: could be a feature for the old and the new.

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Speaker 1: And it's a marx A moment in time in christ

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Speaker 1: Church's history. And it would have been it would have

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Speaker 1: cost like eighty million bucks, would have been done. It

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Speaker 1: would have been done like six years ago.

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Speaker 3: Put a earthquake museum out hanging it with quat museum

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Speaker 1: Just something cool.

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Speaker 4: I think any chance in this country have got to

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Speaker 4: hold onto the old, mate, I think we should prefer

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Speaker 4: that over then. I you see, I mean, look at

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Speaker 4: you what you've done in your own city, Like Auckland's

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Speaker 4: just you started having up ugly buildings about thirty years

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Speaker 1: Did you see the old buildings that were there before?

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Speaker 1: Though the shit?

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Speaker 4: They look good.

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Speaker 1: Half of them was shit, but they look good good Aucklands.

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Speaker 4: Why don't they just do your theory Aukland.

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Speaker 3: The suburban houses are good, but Auckland is really fucked

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Speaker 3: up its old buildings in the city.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot that was shit.

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Speaker 3: I said, this is the attitude.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot though, but you've got to keep building, mate,

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Speaker 1: You've got to keep going. You got to keep you

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Speaker 3: I would have thought you'd be an advocate for keeping

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Speaker 3: them any kind of history, and we've got no history. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: any kind of history. We've got to get.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about buildings like the fay Rich White Building

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Speaker 1: for example, which is a beautiful building that's done on Questreat.

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Speaker 1: Now there was an old building that was there, that

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Speaker 1: was built in the eighteen hundreds. That's not there anymore.

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Speaker 1: But now there's an amazing building there is better than

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Speaker 1: the one that was there.

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Speaker 4: Is it the Strip Club?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the new buildings are better than the old ones.

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Speaker 1: But they've just got to be good buildings.

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Speaker 3: Really, Because I'm looking about Auckland and going, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of shitty buildings.

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Speaker 4: Is that the Strip Club? And all serious? Is that

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Speaker 4: that white big one on Queen Street?

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Speaker 1: The White House?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The White House?

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Speaker 1: No, it's down is that Queen Street? But pobs And

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Speaker 1: Street for example, you know where though those horrific apartments are,

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Speaker 1: there were heaps of really shitty buildings up there. I

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Speaker 1: remember as a kid shitty. So they placed some yeah,

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Speaker 1: but at least they were apartment buildings. And now they

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Speaker 1: leak and you know, there's a bit of a bit

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Speaker 1: of industry going like people people are employed to build them.

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Speaker 1: It was something you.

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Speaker 4: Guys, see what you've done down there, and with the

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Speaker 4: train station looks really good. Yeah, train station is good.

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Speaker 4: The train station looks great. Good example, I kind of

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Speaker 3: Sod all show this guy for stealing my skull from

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Speaker 1: with Matt Formstone and he's involved in a new documentary

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Speaker 3: He's a champion blind surfer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're back and Thormston joins us. Now, good morning, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm excellent. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Good? And I'm just reading about this new doco,

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Speaker 1: The Blind Sea. It's about you and your attempt to

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Speaker 2: Ye had a cracked nazar.

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Speaker 3: So we take it back a few steps, and so

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Speaker 2: It's funny everyone says thinks about surfing and thinks about

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Speaker 2: But it's actually like you, I walked through a car pike.

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Speaker 3: So you can feel what kind of wave is coming.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's different, so I'm like the ocean sort of

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Speaker 1: Wow and so what exacts? So you're talking about three

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Speaker 1: What are you? What are you seeing?

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Speaker 2: Uh So, if you look, if you're looking through you,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I say, Okay, And has it always

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Speaker 2: I hopeful vision until I was five, and then I

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Speaker 3: And when did you start surfing when I was five.

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Speaker 2: So I grew up a Narrawben in Norman Beaches of Sydney.

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Speaker 2: And it was just surfing everywhere. So we all surfed

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Speaker 3: Oh that makes it very easy for New Zealanders to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, slightly different in the in the drama

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there always were there, always people splitting up with

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Speaker 2: Well, like I mean I've got accessibility technology. These days,

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Speaker 2: And catching waves that big? You can't paddle, so you're

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Speaker 1: Man, Firstly, you're crazy, you're crazy surfing those waves anyway.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you can't is you've got one percent

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Speaker 2: Look it was. The surfing part was never scary because

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Speaker 2: he can't. But but hearing about Nazaree saying he can't

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Speaker 2: and he's going to die, it was a bit different

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Speaker 2: because IVE got three little kids. Now, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Like me and my team are the best in the

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Speaker 2: So that was that was what I did, have a

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Speaker 2: we just we just surf for three days and had

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Speaker 3: So the risks when I guess there are risks as

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Speaker 3: not out there with with you know, hundreds of other people.

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Speaker 2: No, so I've got Well, I had a team of

446
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Speaker 2: four safety four jet skis as my safety team. So

447
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Speaker 2: my toe driver tows me in and then I've got

448
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Speaker 2: a jet ski driver either side of me, so they

449
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Speaker 2: basically watch my wash. They travel behind the wave and

450
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Speaker 2: watch my board wash fin wash in the back of

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Speaker 2: the way to see where I am. And they've got

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Speaker 2: a spot on land that tells them where I am

453
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Speaker 2: and they said, meant, obviously you train for when the

454
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Speaker 2: training you do is for when things go wrong, right,

455
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Speaker 2: That's that's the part where the certain parts all fun.

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Speaker 2: But when things go wrong, that's when you need to

457
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Speaker 2: get you get it right, because I mean, the real

458
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Speaker 2: risk over there is that people lose their life. Like

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Speaker 2: six weeks after I was there, a man lost his

460
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Speaker 2: life in smaller conditions than what wheel surfing. So it's

461
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Speaker 2: a real risk. But there's a lot of perceiver risks

462
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Speaker 2: as well, so he's got to I suppose work out

463
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Speaker 2: what they are and get rid of them out of

464
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Speaker 2: your brain because otherwise they're just noise, and then work

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Speaker 2: out what the real risks are. But the trawling is

466
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Speaker 2: the main risk. So I trained to a crazy level

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Speaker 2: with my breath holding. So if your audience can think

468
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Speaker 2: about how long is a long time time hold your breath?

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Speaker 2: And boys, if you want to think about what's a

470
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Speaker 2: very long time to hold your breath, well, longest breath,

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Speaker 2: I'll just perform nazaree. Whereas did you all have a

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Speaker 2: guess what's too long time?

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Speaker 3: Two minutes seems like a long time to me, then.

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Speaker 2: Five forty five minutes and forty eight seconds.

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Speaker 1: What okay, how do you train to do that? Man?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like anything, it's just capacity, right. You don't

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Speaker 2: just go I'm going to do a six minute breath

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Speaker 2: hold one day. You would just work. You start at

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Speaker 2: three minutes, you know, for me as a surfer, as

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Speaker 2: an elite surfer, like it was already around that three

481
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Speaker 2: minute mark. But then you just build up to it.

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Speaker 2: So there's just different training. We do like we did

483
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Speaker 2: did you like did you did? To underwater with two

484
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Speaker 2: guys on me, and I'm going to fight my way

485
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Speaker 2: to the surface and they would know basically what's They'd

486
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Speaker 2: have timers on the surface telling them how long it's been,

487
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Speaker 2: so they they just keep pushing me and then I

488
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Speaker 2: do like swimming, I'd be like single breaths. Don't anyone

489
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Speaker 2: at home try this, because I'm doing this with the

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Speaker 2: best trainers in the world. But we'd be like swimming

491
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Speaker 2: underwater with one breath, like two laps of twenty five

492
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Speaker 2: minute of paul and come up, have one breath, go

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Speaker 2: back down and go and do it again, and just

494
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Speaker 2: multiples all these reps of just getting more and more

495
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Speaker 2: comfortable underwater and then just walking on land holding my

496
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Speaker 2: breath and then laying in my bed in the morning,

497
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Speaker 2: like just holding to mydly my breath for like five

498
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Speaker 2: minute breath hold and just different stuff. And then you're

499
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Speaker 2: one day you wake up and you can do crazy.

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Speaker 1: Stuff that's amazing. So man, when I think of surfing,

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Speaker 1: I think it's and the experience of surfing. I feel

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a there's a feeling to it, but there's

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Speaker 1: a big visual component to it. I would have thought,

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Speaker 1: like you know, when you're on a massive wave, I

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Speaker 1: guess part of the freaking thing would be looking back

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Speaker 1: and seeing this giant wall of water that's chasing you.

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Speaker 1: But but for you it must be something slightly different.

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Speaker 2: Well, wne, you don't look back, right, It's like anything

509
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Speaker 2: in life. You don't. If you look back, you're just

510
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Speaker 2: waiting to get swamped. So you look you're always looking

511
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Speaker 2: forward to the analogy and life right to skip with

512
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Speaker 2: him where you're going, not where you've come from. But

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Speaker 2: it's it's fair. Yeah, it definitely feels for me when

514
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Speaker 2: the boys, I could feel the way over the boys

515
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Speaker 2: by the whistle when I let go the rope they

516
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Speaker 2: blow it to get the second time because I'm going

517
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Speaker 2: so fast and hard if you're a the bottom of

518
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Speaker 2: the So they blow the whistle the second time, they

519
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Speaker 2: watch me, and then I steer, and then they blow

520
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Speaker 2: the whistle the third time and I kick out of

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Speaker 2: the wave, and doing that we successfully surf there. For

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Speaker 2: you know, I caught about twenty five waves, and look,

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Speaker 2: my last wave was the biggest one that I actually

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Speaker 2: got done. On that wave that was the beginnest for the

525
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Speaker 2: record wave. I didn't make that one and got right

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Speaker 2: at the end of it. It got me and dragged me

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Speaker 2: so far I had, you know, the four jet skis

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Speaker 2: I talked about in the water plus camera skis had

529
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Speaker 2: two jet skis with cameras on them are drown up,

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Speaker 2: four cameras on land there's like a thousand, over a

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Speaker 2: thousand people watching from the headland. I'm in an orange

532
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Speaker 2: wet suit and no one could find me.

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Speaker 1: Jeez.

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Speaker 2: It's it's different, yeah, I mean visually, it's I think

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Speaker 2: people think of surfing as a visual thing, and it

536
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Speaker 2: is definitely like I could serf definitely better if I

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Speaker 2: could see. But I've learned over thousands of hours of

538
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Speaker 2: getting smashed and trying things differently and doing things, I'm

539
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Speaker 2: able to surf. Now when people watch me surf, don't

540
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Speaker 2: I look like I can see because I just practiced

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Speaker 2: that for that long thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing this movie, The Blind Sea. It's out in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand cinemas from September twelfth. So you're in an

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Speaker 3: interesting situation where there's a film being made about you

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Speaker 3: and that's a visual thing. How have the premiere has

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Speaker 3: been for you sitting in the theater?

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Speaker 2: Look, they've been really good. Just listening to the audience,

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Speaker 2: Like the engagement we've had, we've had, We've sold out

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Speaker 2: all our premierees so far. Like the audience is like,

550
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Speaker 2: you know, you get your's in your eyes. We're actually

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Speaker 2: getting people like there's a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of comedy in the film, and the audience is laughing

553
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Speaker 2: and then there's like clapping at certain parts as well.

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Speaker 2: Or I've achieved certain things like I was a world

555
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Speaker 2: champion cyclist and world record holder in that sport as well.

556
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Speaker 2: So there's just different moments where people are sort of

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Speaker 2: going through that journey. But it's also audio described, so

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Speaker 2: people that are low vision can listen to that. So

559
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Speaker 2: I've done that once or twice as well, And that

560
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Speaker 2: explains what's happening in each scene, and then it obviously

561
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Speaker 2: there's a bit of international dialect, so it translates the

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Speaker 2: dialect with audio description, so that that's a different way.

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Speaker 2: But the director knew that he was making a film

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Speaker 2: about a one person, so a lot of the audio

565
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Speaker 2: is designed for someone to be able to consume the

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Speaker 2: film without having to see the screen. Like the sound

567
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Speaker 2: stage is just the women are at Nazaree and the

568
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Speaker 2: waves were exploding. That, like the bass and stuff in

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Speaker 2: the cinema is just it's amazing, and that the sound

570
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Speaker 2: to the audio, everything's great. And he sort of talks

571
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Speaker 2: about it. He doesn't to Daniel the director, he didn't

572
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Speaker 2: have too many characters. You're not jumping from one to

573
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Speaker 2: the next to the next thing, you get lost in them.

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Speaker 2: There's sort of it's obviously a fair few characters, but

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Speaker 2: you only have a couple of times so that you're

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Speaker 2: able to just know who's talking and whether they're doing

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Speaker 2: so it is. Yeah, he's done a great job as

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Speaker 2: far as being able to consume it for for any audience.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Matte, so you've surfed successfully Nazaree and Portugal. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest waves in the world. I've got your

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Speaker 1: sight set on something else. Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you boys were primed for this,

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Speaker 2: but I'm thinking, you know, with that six minute breath hold,

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Speaker 2: maybe I should just push that a bit further and

585
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Speaker 2: take one big breathence from the far dowmination as a

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Speaker 2: count instead of world record free.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, you're an amazing person. So for you

588
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Speaker 1: is just looking around at like, what what's the most

589
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Speaker 1: difficult thing I could possibly do?

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Speaker 2: Just increidibly that's possible for me and most possible for humanity.

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Speaker 2: So I just just like training really hard and learning

592
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Speaker 2: new things, and and you know, like reality is I

593
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Speaker 2: like inspiring people like it's it's pretty cool. People say

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Speaker 2: that you're pretty cool. You've done this, and you inspire

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Speaker 2: me to do something different. So if I can inspire

596
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Speaker 2: some people and I can get some sponsors to pay

597
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Speaker 2: me in travel to some pretty cool locations and do

598
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Speaker 2: some crazy stuff, and I'm all up for it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you definitely are inspiring. That's fantastic. The Blind Sea

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Speaker 3: It's in New Zealand Cinemas from September twelfth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Matt, great to talk to you. Best

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Speaker 1: of luck with everything so much appreciate. Great to talk

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Speaker 1: to your see mate, put things in perspective, isn't it. Wow?

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Speaker 1: One an amazing person. I the foll on thing to do?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen those the size of that wave?

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Speaker 3: Na, yeah, I am. I'm looking at a picture of

607
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Speaker 3: him on it mas.

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Speaker 1: That's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, an amazing guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah wow, I mean it really puts your perspective and

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Speaker 3: in terms of positivity in what people complain about, you know,

613
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Speaker 3: people complaining about their and their given days and the

614
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Speaker 3: problems that they have in their life. And then you

615
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Speaker 3: have someone who's got one percent and one eye three

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Speaker 3: percent of the other and then it's just doing amazing

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Speaker 3: things and not complaining about it at all when he's

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Speaker 3: got every right to, you know.

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Speaker 1: So what a good man. So the Blind Sea, it's

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Speaker 1: great seeing that, Matt foremuston, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, game, okay, see yeah, hello, I'm

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