1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,147 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB Down the blind goes ped Nuri 3 00:00:14,187 --> 00:00:15,667 Speaker 1: looked at his left hands. I went down the right 4 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:18,067 Speaker 1: hand side. He to the arts hop, well tornent and 5 00:00:18,187 --> 00:00:19,467 Speaker 1: you will not stop well Torn. 6 00:00:19,507 --> 00:00:21,867 Speaker 2: It put that much free spaces down the right wing, 7 00:00:21,947 --> 00:00:25,627 Speaker 2: pup side side. All Blacks forty two, Argentina ten. Let's 8 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:28,907 Speaker 2: bring in All Black's assistant coach, Scott Hanson. Scott, thanks 9 00:00:28,907 --> 00:00:30,987 Speaker 2: for taking our call this afternoon. How much of what 10 00:00:31,027 --> 00:00:34,947 Speaker 2: we saw last night was a response to what happened 11 00:00:34,987 --> 00:00:36,187 Speaker 2: last weekend in Wellington. 12 00:00:37,507 --> 00:00:40,507 Speaker 3: The response we talked around was the detail and the 13 00:00:40,547 --> 00:00:42,827 Speaker 3: execution that we needed and the lessons that we took 14 00:00:42,907 --> 00:00:46,747 Speaker 3: on the first tense. We also talked around the response 15 00:00:46,867 --> 00:00:49,907 Speaker 3: needs to last more than one test. So really happy 16 00:00:49,947 --> 00:00:53,587 Speaker 3: with our performance last night, in particular the first half. 17 00:00:54,307 --> 00:00:55,027 Speaker 4: Still things to. 18 00:00:55,027 --> 00:00:59,547 Speaker 3: Work on and we'll continue that mindset around building our game. 19 00:01:00,067 --> 00:01:03,027 Speaker 2: Sam Kaine said afterwards, the first half was a clinic. 20 00:01:03,467 --> 00:01:06,987 Speaker 2: Did you feel that first forty minutes coming pre game? 21 00:01:09,267 --> 00:01:11,187 Speaker 3: Well, we owned our weak around what it looked like 22 00:01:11,787 --> 00:01:15,107 Speaker 3: and our exit and our execution there. 23 00:01:16,707 --> 00:01:18,027 Speaker 4: Variation in our kick. 24 00:01:17,827 --> 00:01:20,547 Speaker 3: Game allowed us to move the ball differently, which got 25 00:01:20,587 --> 00:01:22,867 Speaker 3: us in the front FOP. I put our effort both 26 00:01:22,907 --> 00:01:26,947 Speaker 3: on and off the ball from the group we're outstanding 27 00:01:27,427 --> 00:01:29,947 Speaker 3: and what that led to, Jason was good kick pressure 28 00:01:30,467 --> 00:01:32,867 Speaker 3: and we built some nice pressure cycles which allowed us 29 00:01:32,907 --> 00:01:35,187 Speaker 3: to get down the right area of the field, and 30 00:01:35,227 --> 00:01:37,507 Speaker 3: then our set piece gave us what we needed. 31 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:40,267 Speaker 4: In regards to a quality ball we were able to 32 00:01:40,307 --> 00:01:40,907 Speaker 4: play on top. 33 00:01:41,507 --> 00:01:45,627 Speaker 2: How strongly did you demand physicality from the team last night? 34 00:01:47,507 --> 00:01:48,867 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's one thing. 35 00:01:48,707 --> 00:01:52,587 Speaker 3: To have the coaches asked for it, but just as 36 00:01:52,587 --> 00:01:54,267 Speaker 3: importantly as the players. 37 00:01:53,907 --> 00:01:55,107 Speaker 4: Demanding it of each other. 38 00:01:55,187 --> 00:01:59,627 Speaker 3: And what happened last night was with the weather coming 39 00:01:59,627 --> 00:02:02,307 Speaker 3: in and just when you know you're playing in the rain, 40 00:02:02,387 --> 00:02:05,667 Speaker 3: what it did for us early was really focuses in 41 00:02:05,747 --> 00:02:11,147 Speaker 3: around height and also our defensive tackle levels, so we 42 00:02:11,227 --> 00:02:14,107 Speaker 3: were low and aggresive on both sides. And that's a 43 00:02:14,107 --> 00:02:16,347 Speaker 3: great example of us just turning our mindset as to 44 00:02:16,387 --> 00:02:18,587 Speaker 3: where we need to be and just watching in the 45 00:02:18,627 --> 00:02:23,187 Speaker 3: game again this morning, Jason, our physicality and the carry, 46 00:02:23,227 --> 00:02:26,347 Speaker 3: our height and our cleans was far better, and it 47 00:02:26,507 --> 00:02:27,787 Speaker 3: really was all black standard. 48 00:02:28,547 --> 00:02:31,827 Speaker 2: Many of the players postmatch talked about simplifying things, but 49 00:02:32,067 --> 00:02:35,747 Speaker 2: Rugby can be a complex game with lots of moving parts. 50 00:02:36,267 --> 00:02:40,227 Speaker 2: How do you simplify a game of rugby effectively. 51 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:44,267 Speaker 3: Focus on your core roles around what it looks like 52 00:02:44,387 --> 00:02:48,587 Speaker 3: to exit your half, on your tombs, create that variation, 53 00:02:49,627 --> 00:02:53,587 Speaker 3: and then the simplicity of playing what's in front. The 54 00:02:53,667 --> 00:02:56,707 Speaker 3: defense is always going to give us pictures to attack, 55 00:02:56,747 --> 00:03:00,107 Speaker 3: and it's about us looking and engaging around it and 56 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:01,107 Speaker 3: playing what's in front. 57 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:04,427 Speaker 4: What we did really well last night was put the ball. 58 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:08,867 Speaker 3: Behind Arsentina and could kick pressure on them and then 59 00:03:08,907 --> 00:03:12,027 Speaker 3: our skill sets and where what we should expect of 60 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:14,827 Speaker 3: each other around working into the ball and they are 61 00:03:14,867 --> 00:03:16,147 Speaker 3: the simple things done well? 62 00:03:16,547 --> 00:03:18,907 Speaker 4: What is that? It's run, pass kick? 63 00:03:19,987 --> 00:03:21,187 Speaker 2: Why do you think it was a bit harder to 64 00:03:21,227 --> 00:03:23,227 Speaker 2: assert the same dominance after halftime? 65 00:03:25,827 --> 00:03:28,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, good question, and we'll be asking the group that 66 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:32,387 Speaker 3: around where we were. We spoke to halftime around resetting 67 00:03:32,387 --> 00:03:36,067 Speaker 3: our game, coming out and keeping the pressure and it 68 00:03:36,147 --> 00:03:39,147 Speaker 3: isn't anybody putting up behind them, playing in the right 69 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:41,267 Speaker 3: area of the field and then using our skill sets. 70 00:03:41,547 --> 00:03:44,307 Speaker 3: We didn't quite get that right at times got caught 71 00:03:44,347 --> 00:03:46,747 Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. So we'll definitely sit 72 00:03:46,787 --> 00:03:48,347 Speaker 3: down as a group and work through how it can 73 00:03:48,387 --> 00:03:53,507 Speaker 3: be better there coming off the bench, impact players, how 74 00:03:53,547 --> 00:03:55,467 Speaker 3: it can set them up better around what that looks 75 00:03:55,507 --> 00:03:57,787 Speaker 3: like in that game. So the smith good conversations there 76 00:03:57,827 --> 00:03:59,907 Speaker 3: and again the leaders will drive that. 77 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:02,547 Speaker 2: You work very closely with the half backs in the 78 00:04:02,547 --> 00:04:05,747 Speaker 2: first fives. How did you assess the week of TJ 79 00:04:05,867 --> 00:04:09,347 Speaker 2: pett And and his performance last night after a challenging 80 00:04:09,347 --> 00:04:10,587 Speaker 2: outing in Wellington. 81 00:04:12,027 --> 00:04:16,067 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair Christian Jason around. You know, 82 00:04:16,547 --> 00:04:19,747 Speaker 3: there was some a leens put on TJ, especially the 83 00:04:19,747 --> 00:04:22,707 Speaker 3: first test around how we got out of our corners 84 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:25,627 Speaker 3: around our kick game and what we addressed during the 85 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:29,147 Speaker 3: week was our rock, the ability to protect him better. 86 00:04:29,907 --> 00:04:32,227 Speaker 3: So give TJ some more options to move the ball 87 00:04:32,267 --> 00:04:35,267 Speaker 3: and kick it out of a dmax hens or bodies 88 00:04:35,307 --> 00:04:39,307 Speaker 3: and we used that well. TJ led the week very 89 00:04:39,347 --> 00:04:42,227 Speaker 3: well around that execution. He was really clear on his 90 00:04:42,347 --> 00:04:45,467 Speaker 3: role and just watching his game again this morning, I thought, 91 00:04:45,707 --> 00:04:48,787 Speaker 3: if it's on a ball outstanding, he was at his 92 00:04:48,867 --> 00:04:52,827 Speaker 3: best around his competitive nature and real please film around 93 00:04:52,867 --> 00:04:55,587 Speaker 3: what that looked like an attack with the offload down 94 00:04:55,627 --> 00:04:59,267 Speaker 3: the edge wall Jordan's game and then challenge for TJ 95 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:02,107 Speaker 3: to back that up now and continue to lead well. 96 00:05:03,747 --> 00:05:05,707 Speaker 2: It wouldn't have come as a surprise though what his 97 00:05:05,827 --> 00:05:08,787 Speaker 2: reaction to last week. He's very level, isn't he and 98 00:05:09,307 --> 00:05:10,707 Speaker 2: has been around for a while now. 99 00:05:11,627 --> 00:05:11,867 Speaker 4: I was. 100 00:05:12,187 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 2: I was personally delighted for him, but you wouldn't have 101 00:05:15,147 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 2: been surprised by the reaction you got from TJ, were 102 00:05:18,227 --> 00:05:19,667 Speaker 2: you now? 103 00:05:19,667 --> 00:05:21,867 Speaker 3: And I'm surprised at all. He's a competitor, he's a 104 00:05:21,907 --> 00:05:24,787 Speaker 3: proud All Black. We didn't quite get it right, and 105 00:05:24,827 --> 00:05:28,347 Speaker 3: with test match rugby, you know it's one or two percent. 106 00:05:28,387 --> 00:05:30,467 Speaker 4: If you don't get it right on the evening, it 107 00:05:30,507 --> 00:05:31,067 Speaker 4: can cost you. 108 00:05:31,187 --> 00:05:34,827 Speaker 3: And Test match level, especially at the moment around the world, 109 00:05:35,027 --> 00:05:37,667 Speaker 3: seems are pretty even around where they're out in the game, 110 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:40,787 Speaker 3: and if you're one or two percent off, it can 111 00:05:40,867 --> 00:05:44,187 Speaker 3: catch her, and especially when you're not getting out of 112 00:05:44,187 --> 00:05:45,467 Speaker 3: your half on your terms. 113 00:05:45,547 --> 00:05:47,867 Speaker 4: Last night we showed when we were better there what 114 00:05:47,987 --> 00:05:48,947 Speaker 4: it did for our game. 115 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:52,387 Speaker 3: Again, TJ lad that I'm not surprised at all by 116 00:05:52,427 --> 00:05:57,147 Speaker 3: the response from TJ's He's a warrior. I was really 117 00:05:57,147 --> 00:06:02,147 Speaker 3: pleased for him and his performance, but also in the background, Jason, 118 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:05,707 Speaker 3: the way he's leading our young nines and sharing his 119 00:06:05,827 --> 00:06:10,707 Speaker 3: experience and Cortez and are both riding his tail pushing him. 120 00:06:11,627 --> 00:06:14,787 Speaker 3: So the game from t J was really pleasing. 121 00:06:14,467 --> 00:06:15,147 Speaker 4: For all of us. 122 00:06:15,707 --> 00:06:19,067 Speaker 2: One out to first five. How have you assessed Damien 123 00:06:19,147 --> 00:06:22,587 Speaker 2: McKenzie's development across the first five tests of the year 124 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:25,507 Speaker 2: at verse five, Yeah, I thought last night. 125 00:06:25,387 --> 00:06:27,147 Speaker 3: He was immature and how he kept the ball in 126 00:06:27,187 --> 00:06:29,787 Speaker 3: front of us, he was a clear around what that 127 00:06:29,827 --> 00:06:32,707 Speaker 3: looked like. He chose his moments when influenced the game 128 00:06:32,747 --> 00:06:36,387 Speaker 3: around his running game. If you look at the subtlety 129 00:06:36,507 --> 00:06:38,667 Speaker 3: that he had also around his kit game to the 130 00:06:38,787 --> 00:06:41,947 Speaker 3: edges and the like, I think he can be really 131 00:06:41,947 --> 00:06:45,147 Speaker 3: pleased with his performance last night as a test match 132 00:06:45,347 --> 00:06:50,027 Speaker 3: ten and pretty challenging conditions. So I really happy for him. 133 00:06:50,547 --> 00:06:54,587 Speaker 3: Body Barrett's giving him great voice outside to allow him 134 00:06:54,627 --> 00:06:57,307 Speaker 3: to see field and give him solutions. 135 00:06:57,347 --> 00:06:59,987 Speaker 4: So those two are working very well together. 136 00:07:00,547 --> 00:07:03,107 Speaker 3: And again happy for de mac and he continue that 137 00:07:03,227 --> 00:07:08,027 Speaker 3: growth in his his key manager Minton. We've seen some 138 00:07:08,067 --> 00:07:10,787 Speaker 3: really good subtle changes around how he leads to this. 139 00:07:11,067 --> 00:07:13,627 Speaker 2: We'll be being down the field and just to finish, 140 00:07:14,067 --> 00:07:15,987 Speaker 2: how important was it to put out that sort of 141 00:07:16,067 --> 00:07:19,187 Speaker 2: performance before you hop on the plane for two big 142 00:07:19,227 --> 00:07:20,587 Speaker 2: test matches in South Africa. 143 00:07:21,627 --> 00:07:25,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, messive opportunity to get over there. Just watching South Africa. 144 00:07:26,267 --> 00:07:29,907 Speaker 3: They've been the last four tests, they've been very very 145 00:07:29,947 --> 00:07:32,147 Speaker 3: good in their attack. Obviously there's St Priece, so they're 146 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 3: going to be a massive challenge for us over there. 147 00:07:34,627 --> 00:07:35,587 Speaker 4: We're looking forward to it. 148 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:41,347 Speaker 3: We'll step right towards that vines with our game and 149 00:07:41,387 --> 00:07:44,387 Speaker 3: what that looks like. A testaments rugby, as we see 150 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,587 Speaker 3: on the night, can come down the moment, so we've 151 00:07:47,627 --> 00:07:49,507 Speaker 3: got to earn some of those for our sick piece 152 00:07:49,827 --> 00:07:51,627 Speaker 3: and what that looks like. We're looking forward to getting 153 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:52,227 Speaker 3: on the plane. 154 00:07:52,387 --> 00:07:55,347 Speaker 2: You're looking forward to a couple of days off first, Yeah, 155 00:07:55,347 --> 00:07:55,667 Speaker 2: a couple of. 156 00:07:55,707 --> 00:07:57,107 Speaker 4: Days off getting home with the family. 157 00:07:57,147 --> 00:07:59,587 Speaker 3: We spoke to them was last night around get home 158 00:07:59,627 --> 00:08:02,907 Speaker 3: to your loved ones and your time at home, keep 159 00:08:02,907 --> 00:08:05,107 Speaker 3: yourself sick for what's going to be a massive challenge 160 00:08:05,147 --> 00:08:08,547 Speaker 3: over there. We're looking forward to getting home and reconnecting 161 00:08:08,627 --> 00:08:09,347 Speaker 3: with their loved ones. 162 00:08:09,547 --> 00:08:12,787 Speaker 2: Hi, Bet, congrats on the result and the performance last night. Scott, 163 00:08:13,267 --> 00:08:15,107 Speaker 2: great to chat as always, Thanks for taking the time. 164 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:17,267 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Jess, appreciate that. 165 00:08:17,387 --> 00:08:19,507 Speaker 2: I appreciate your time, Scott, Thanks indeed, Scott Hanson. Then 166 00:08:19,587 --> 00:08:20,747 Speaker 2: all Black's assistant coach. 167 00:08:21,387 --> 00:08:24,587 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 168 00:08:24,707 --> 00:08:27,987 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 169 00:08:28,027 --> 00:08:29,627 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio