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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: New Stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: the treaty Principal's bell has gone to cabinet. They've made

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Speaker 3: a change. We're going to talk to David seymore about that.

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Speaker 3: After five. Apparently Auckland restaurants have the earliest closing times

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Speaker 3: in the world. We're going to find out why. We've

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Speaker 3: got Health Minister Shane Ritzi on that Hawks Bay GP

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Speaker 3: and ethnicity situation, and Nikola willis as per usual after six.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So, today, ninth of September is the start of a

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Speaker 3: fortnight of the NCAA. Pupils across the country sitting their

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Speaker 3: exams for the first time. They'll be doing reading writing

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Speaker 3: in numerous sea exams. And I would say that this

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Speaker 3: would be happening at every single school across the country,

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Speaker 3: but actually it isn't because Portador College has decided to

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Speaker 3: cancel their literacy exams, haven't they And they've done that

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Speaker 3: because the kids won't pass. They're not ready. Apparently the

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Speaker 3: principle says or to a college hasn't been able to

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Speaker 3: get the kids ready enough to make these exams a

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Speaker 3: positive experience, and so they've just canned the reading and

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Speaker 3: writing exams. They're still doing the numerousy ones, but the

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Speaker 3: others are gone.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's not the end of the world. Okay, these

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Speaker 3: exams aren't compulsory this year. They're only compulsory in a

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Speaker 3: couple of years time. This year. The kids can make

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Speaker 3: up the credit through other ways if they don't do

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Speaker 3: the exams, so that they can still pass NCEEA. But

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Speaker 3: what I'm kind of continuously shocked by is the attitude

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Speaker 3: that educators have of just giving up on the kids.

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Speaker 3: These aren't difficult tests. They're not designed for third year

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Speaker 3: university students will fully grown adults. They're not supposed to

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Speaker 3: stretch the kids. They are designed for year ten, year

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Speaker 3: eleven kids, and they are designed to make sure that

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Speaker 3: the kids actually know what they are supposed to know

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Speaker 3: at their point in their schooling. So if the kids fail,

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Speaker 3: it's because they don't know what they're supposed to know

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Speaker 3: for their age. The answer to that particular problem is

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Speaker 3: not to cancel the exam. And the answer to that

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Speaker 3: particular problem is to teach the kids what they're supposed

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Speaker 3: to know, so they know what all the other kids

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Speaker 3: around the country know. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: It begs the question why is put it to a college?

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Speaker 3: Not teaching the kids what they're supposed to know for

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Speaker 3: their age? Does that maybe go some way to explaining

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Speaker 3: why at put it to a college. In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: Do we have a little problem here? Maybe? Why isn't

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Speaker 3: the school freaking out about this that the kids don't

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Speaker 3: know what kids at other schools know? Now lately, because

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Speaker 3: in and stuff, we have had a lot of complaining

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Speaker 3: from educators. I've been told that actually, most teachers and

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Speaker 3: principles and secondary schools do support these exams, and the

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Speaker 3: complaining and the resistance that we're hearing in public is

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Speaker 3: coming from a very loud minority. Now, I truly hope

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Speaker 3: that that actually is the case, because I am shocked

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Speaker 3: on two fronts. Number one, that these kids do not

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Speaker 2: Here the duplicy ellen, the principle.

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Speaker 3: Of Portador cologist with us ten past five, so we

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Speaker 3: have chat to her. Then listen on something else completely.

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Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, standard text fees apply and

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Speaker 3: the text number is nine two nine two. Now, two

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Speaker 3: Islamic schools in South Auckland have been closed for the

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Speaker 3: day and they've called the cops regarding a threatening email.

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Speaker 3: A video has come in featuring a man shooting guns.

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Speaker 3: It was email to the principle of Al Madina School

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Speaker 3: other staff at the school will also sent the email.

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Speaker 3: Abdu Razak is the chairperson of the Federation of Islamic

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Speaker 3: Associations and with us. Now, hey, abdua hey.

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Speaker 5: Let me clarify I'm not the chairperson chairperson of the

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Speaker 3: the Royal Commission. Yeah, Base, here am I having a

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Speaker 5: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 5: best we let it be, have some patience and they

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Speaker 5: seen the email. I also seen the video and frankly

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Speaker 5: much why the kids and that would be very traumatized. Well,

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Speaker 5: you know, and are concerned as the welfare and well being. Look,

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Speaker 5: and those are sort of we put on our press release.

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Speaker 5: the Royal Commission gave some suggestions, I see the current

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Speaker 5: government is because of fiscal constraint clowing back on some

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Speaker 5: at it, because it's national security at stake. Secondly, we

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Speaker 5: reintroducing the ministry style sing automatic weapon. Well, this actually

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Speaker 3: As you know, I want to come back to that.

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Speaker 3: I want to come back to that. I'll do just

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Speaker 3: quickly on this. What does your gut tell you? Is

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Speaker 5: Look put it this way. I don't go with guts

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Speaker 2: Very much to be careful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got to be very careful. And for us,

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Speaker 3: You know, do the police know who this is.

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Speaker 5: We don't know. Police keeps is keeping us informed. They're

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Speaker 5: tracking and tracing, and they do a very good job

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Speaker 5: So when I was talking to police, you know they

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Speaker 5: You know, this kind of bomb threats and other threats

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Speaker 3: Listen, the Herald is reporting this. The video featured a

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Speaker 3: man showing guns in the car and randomly shooting. Is

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is. I hear it what they're saying, and

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Speaker 5: that's all I can say. I mean, the Hera's already reported. Look,

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Speaker 5: And when I said my experience going on Marchington, we

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Speaker 3: Did you did. I was watching the news last night

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Speaker 5: Look, it's a christ just matter. I don't want to

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Speaker 5: the mosque, their respect. We accept them for who they are.

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Speaker 5: You know, some people have some people haven't in the past,

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Speaker 5: but you know it's a sign of respect. It's Twice's

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Speaker 5: not the major issue. The major issue is the guns.

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Speaker 5: All these side issues, well is the discussion and the

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Speaker 3: Abdua, listen, I always appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Abdua is at the Federation. Well, I was gonna say

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Speaker 3: that again. Wasn't I a Federation of ISLAMI chip No,

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Speaker 3: back to the Nicole McKee thing and just a teck

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Speaker 3: when you are running in a marathon at the Paralympics

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Speaker 3: She's in bronze position. Now, nobody else coming up behind her, right,

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Speaker 3: doesn't really break a stride all together, but let's go

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Speaker 3: have to odd onto the rope. Bronze medal. God, that's

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Speaker 3: not fair, is it, because that's the decent thing to do.

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Speaker 3: you just you do the human thing and grab anyway.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully common sense will prevail and she will get her

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Speaker 3: bronze medal. Back sixteen past four, Digging.

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Speaker 1: Deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c Allen

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine Sports Talk Coasters with me. Now, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: are you freaking out about the.

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 8: No, no, I wish we'd won one of the two tests.

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Speaker 8: I think we all wish we'd probably won both of them.

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Speaker 8: But I think we need to accept that South Africa

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Speaker 8: for starters, are a very good rugby team. We need

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Speaker 8: to accept that front and center. There world number one

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Speaker 8: for a reason. And I was entirely impressed with the

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Speaker 3: Heather, I reckon crickey. Hey, thank you for that. Pine,

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Speaker 3: Be afternoon here the why wouldn't Nicole McKey wear a

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Speaker 3: thank you. You've totally misunderstood what I was getting at.

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Speaker 3: it as a woman to lie because lovely, Thomas Meade

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: Women have for the longest Like sorry to bring gender

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Speaker 3: She does not need to want to wear a head scuff.

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Speaker 3: She does not need to wear a head scuff, and

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Speaker 3: nobody needs to be casting shade at that. And I

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Speaker 3: just refer you to Helen Clark, who absolutely busted etiquette

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Speaker 3: Just stop it. Just let women wear what they want

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Speaker 3: to wear, and calm the farm about these things. She

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Speaker 3: let it. Anyway. I've got to you across what's happening

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Speaker 9: No, because I don't discuss things that were discussed in cabinet.

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Speaker 9: But again, you know David c will have more to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now I tried it again again.

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Speaker 9: I just won't discuss things that we've discussed in cabinet.

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Speaker 9: And so that's as far as I'm going to go today.

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Speaker 9: Well, again, our position's really clear. We are supporting it

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Speaker 3: Beyond that and then finally yet was hard in the

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Speaker 9: I'm trying to be immature about it. The National Party

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Speaker 9: going to support it to first reading. Won't get supportive

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Speaker 9: beyond that because the National Party won't be supporting it.

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Speaker 3: Beyond that, two things went to cabinet today. They changed

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Speaker 3: come out against it. So David Seymour is with us

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Speaker 3: after five on that headline's.

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Speaker 1: Next hard Questions, Strong Opinion. Heather du for see allan

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Speaker 2: Nice me.

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Speaker 3: Bye, Heather. Women need to address to impressed. Thank you Deon,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your contribution. You should see the producer's

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Speaker 3: do appreciate it. Oliver Peterson's going to be with us

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Speaker 3: Principles Bill. Also, I'm very excited to tell you this.

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Speaker 3: whinging about it. Now I've got my facts to back

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Speaker 3: me up. According to a survey by international food magazine

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Speaker 3: Chef's Pencil, restaurants in Auckland are the earliest ones to

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive now.

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Speaker 3: The findings of a Royal commission into veterans suicides in

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Speaker 2: This should be a call to action once.

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Speaker 6: And for all.

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Speaker 3: New York Times poll has Donald Trump ahead of Kamala

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Speaker 3: And finally, you saw when you wake up the close,

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Speaker 10: Out of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Beloved eighties film The Goonies is reportedly getting a reboot.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenters with us Now, Hey, Ollie.

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Speaker 11: Hey, that restaurant pole clearly didn't come to Perth. Because

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Speaker 3: Whatday seven to eight happened to me? Two weeks ago?

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Speaker 11: On a Tuesday night advertise that you're open till nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: quiet night, We're just shutting up short.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: I don't know?

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Speaker 7: But like, are you?

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Speaker 11: Gill always like that a little bit like West Australian's

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Speaker 3: Because I mean, is it because you people are mining

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Speaker 11: morning is just a sea of fluo, and the Quantus

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Speaker 11: Club is packed because everybody's a platinum frequent fly trying

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Speaker 11: to get their cheese toasties before they fly from the mine.

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Speaker 3: Hey, sixty seven to twenty seven, mate.

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Speaker 11: In halftime, we were doing real good. You know, if

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Speaker 11: we just only played forty minutes we were ahead.

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Speaker 3: We won like that is a score that the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks would normally hand to a squad like Georgia.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, look, we got a bit far ahead of

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Speaker 11: ourselves last week. We thought, you know, one win and

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Speaker 11: we our season was underway.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you realize that Joe Schmidt is a

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Speaker 3: really capable and quality coach and if he cannot make

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Speaker 3: your boys play properly, your boys stink.

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Speaker 2: Any hopeless, So we might just shut rugby down and

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Speaker 2: just play.

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Speaker 3: Pol Okay, anyway, look at this, hope. I mean from

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Speaker 3: here it can only get better, right, so your percentage

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Speaker 3: increase will be out the gate.

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Speaker 11: I do I even played the All Blacks yet got

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Speaker 11: Bletter's loow cup still to come?

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Speaker 3: Can I cancel it? Like what you are? You are

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Speaker 3: our redemption story, Like we've just taken a drubbing from

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Speaker 3: South Africa. We'll go, oh what, at least they're going

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Speaker 3: to pay the wallabies soon. Yeah, we'll give them a

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Speaker 3: spanking at least. Anyway, listen, talk to me about this

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Speaker 3: veteran suicide report.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not good, and we knew it wasn't going

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Speaker 11: to be good.

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Speaker 5: And you know what I reckon.

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Speaker 11: He's one of the most harrowing remarks out of this

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Speaker 11: that you are more likely as a defense force personnel,

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Speaker 11: you are more likely to die from suicide than active

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Speaker 11: duty twenty times more likely. So look, there are some

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Speaker 11: big messages in this at the moments, lots of motherhood

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Speaker 11: statements from the Prime Minister and from the opposition leader,

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Speaker 11: and they're all important. I'm not saying they're not, but

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Speaker 11: they haven't really dug down into the nitty gritty.

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Speaker 2: They've got to get into this.

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Speaker 11: There's one hundred and twenty recommendations here, very critical of

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Speaker 11: the Defense Force. They're not releasing much publicly, but they

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Speaker 11: have acknowledged we are letting down our veterans. So look,

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Speaker 11: that's the first step obviously towards acknowledge it. That's the

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Speaker 11: first step to be talking about this. It's a warts

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Speaker 11: and all inquiry. The government's asking for more time to

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Speaker 11: now obviously formalize its response. But I think now there's

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Speaker 11: a lot of chakun or in the community and there

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Speaker 11: has been for some time about this, and I think

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Speaker 11: there is a combined agreement here, bipartisan agreement that we

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Speaker 11: have to do better and we will do better.

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Speaker 3: And so do we know why these guys are so

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Speaker 3: predisposed to it?

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Speaker 11: It's obviously a lot of what they've seen in the

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Speaker 11: theater of war and just not having the correct support

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Speaker 11: mechanisms around them when they arrive back into Australia.

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Speaker 3: As much as we talk a big game and we

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Speaker 3: say that there's a lot of.

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Speaker 11: Support services, those support services is what's been found in

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Speaker 11: this Royal Commission that either not properly funded or able

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Speaker 11: to provide enough assistance to those people who have tried

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Speaker 11: to ring integrate into society or actually had enough of

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Speaker 11: the support services or a psychologists or the counselors available

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Speaker 11: to talk to. So you know, you do think and

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Speaker 11: obviously you know, there's plenty of conflicts that Australians are still.

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Speaker 3: Involved in today.

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Speaker 11: That how we got to this point though, Heather, and

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Speaker 11: you go back to World War One or World War Two.

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Speaker 11: I mean we're talking you know, generations here of Australians

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Speaker 11: that have been let down, and I guess there's big

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Speaker 11: lessons for all of our defense forces around the world,

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Speaker 11: not just here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: But you think we'd be doing better too.

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Speaker 3: Hey, do we think that this chap who pulled the

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Speaker 3: coffee on the baby has gone? Has gone overseas well?

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Speaker 2: That's now what the alert is.

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Speaker 11: They're not saying where, but they must have some sort

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Speaker 11: of information and some intel if they're saying that it's

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Speaker 11: been widened how to include international police.

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Speaker 3: We're talking here.

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Speaker 11: Back in early September, the little baby now underwent another

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Speaker 11: round of surgery.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just horrific.

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Speaker 11: Who could ever think about pouring a hot coffee on

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Speaker 11: a baby is just beyond the pale of anybody's thought

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Speaker 11: that it would even be possible. So they've released a

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Speaker 11: picture of this guy a few times now, and he's

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Speaker 11: a pretty obvious bloke, but they say's between thirty and

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Speaker 11: forty who was wearing a blue shirt. He's of Asian appearance,

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Speaker 11: and I reckon it's a pretty clear picture that has

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Speaker 11: been released by Brisbane Police.

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Speaker 7: They know where he is enough, No he doesn't.

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Speaker 11: It looks normal, looks like any bloke cou'd be walking

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Speaker 11: down the street of Auckland or Perth today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally okay, So we think he might have gone overseas.

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Speaker 3: All right, listen, Ollie, thank you. I really appreciate that. That's

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life presenter. Here there is

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Speaker 3: a National Party voter. I think Luxelon should grow a

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Speaker 3: pair and support this spill. This is the treaty Principal's bill.

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Speaker 3: I actually happen to agree with that. We will deal

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Speaker 3: with that later on in the program. Barry so will

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Speaker 3: give us has taken it very shortly, apparently. Do you

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Speaker 3: remember last week we were talking to David Seymour about

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Speaker 3: this is really the business that's been going on in

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Speaker 3: Hawk's Bay, right. We've found out that you know, if

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Speaker 3: the kids are fourteen to twenty four Mali in Pacifico

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Speaker 3: they get to go to the GP for free, but

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Speaker 3: every other ethnicity doesn't. And then David Seymour said to us. Oh,

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Speaker 3: there's you know, the cabinet circular is going to come

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Speaker 3: out soon, and the cabinet circular will basically tell all

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Speaker 3: of these health agencies that they have to stop doing

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Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. Apparently that cabinet circular actually comes

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Speaker 3: from Nikola Willis, not David Seymour, which is quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: So when she's with us after six o'clock, we can

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Speaker 3: find a little bit more detail about it and just

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Speaker 3: where it's at, because obviously it may need to hurry up,

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Speaker 3: judging by what's going on with Health New Zealand sixteen away.

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Speaker 1: From five Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Verry so bar Our, senior political correspondence with us,

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Speaker 3: Hey Barry.

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Speaker 12: Good afternoon here.

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Speaker 3: So what did you make of all of the clergy

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Speaker 3: coming out position to the Treaty Principals Bill.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, I mean, I just think the clergy

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Speaker 12: should be clergy. And even though they'll say that, look,

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Speaker 12: it was the clergyman of this country that took the

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Speaker 12: treaty around other tribes to be signed in eighteen forty,

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Speaker 12: I really think that politics should be out of the

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Speaker 12: hands of the churches. It should be over to the

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Speaker 12: politicians to do politics and the churches to do the

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Speaker 12: preaching to the congregations. But that's clearly not the case.

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Speaker 12: They don't see it that way. They say that they've

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Speaker 12: got an absolute right to do so. I went through

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Speaker 12: the list of the clergymen that had signed up to this,

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Speaker 12: and they are all the senior clergy in the country.

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Speaker 12: There's no doubt about that. But look, this is a

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Speaker 12: very difficult situation for this government, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 12: But this is the problem with coalition politics that Christopher

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Speaker 12: Luxen to form a government had to agree to some

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Speaker 12: compromise with David Seymour, who would like a referendum on

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Speaker 12: the Treaty Principals Bill, which the draft form went to

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Speaker 12: cabinet today. But you know more than that, Luxeon wasn't

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Speaker 12: prepared to prepared to go along with and to me,

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Speaker 12: as I've said right from the very start, this is

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Speaker 12: an absolute waste of parliamentary time taxed by his money.

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Speaker 12: Because the bill will be debated in November and Parliament

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Speaker 12: to its first reading, it will then go to a

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Speaker 12: select committee. There is a way of stopping it from

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Speaker 12: going to a select committee, but obviously they're not going

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Speaker 12: to do that, so it'll go to a select committee.

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Speaker 12: That's where the real debate will take place, and indeed

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Speaker 12: clergyman will be able to put their point of view there.

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Speaker 12: But I've got to say, Chris Luxon, when the draft

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Speaker 12: went before cabinet today, he wasn't telling us how the

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Speaker 12: discussion went and how what the draft bill looked like.

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Speaker 9: I don't talk or discuss things that are discussed in cabinet.

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Speaker 9: There'll be more to say about that shortly, I'm sure.

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Speaker 9: But our position on this as well, no and well understood,

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Speaker 9: will support it to first reading.

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Speaker 13: But not beyond that.

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Speaker 9: But again, you know David seam will have more to

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Speaker 9: say about it shortly as you know our positions well

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Speaker 9: understood and you know that's that's that's nothing's changed in

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Speaker 9: that regard.

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Speaker 12: I think David Seemah was going to say more to

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Speaker 12: you shortly is more than that?

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Speaker 3: Have you heard? Apparently he has made a change to

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Speaker 3: what everybody is expecting. Have you heard this?

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Speaker 12: Oh well, I'm sure right from the beginning that Seymour

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Speaker 12: was going to try and make it more palatable to

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Speaker 12: the general public and more palatable particularly to the National

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Speaker 12: Party and the new Zealand first.

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Speaker 3: One, yes, and he had he had sort of indicated,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not news. He had indicated that

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Speaker 3: he was going to change Article two, which is the

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Speaker 3: second principle about the chieftainship of the last and that

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Speaker 3: he thought that that may get the Nats across the line.

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Speaker 3: But from judging by by by lux and the broken

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Speaker 3: record today, no, it's going to be.

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Speaker 12: Really difficult, you know, I mean, Luxon can't now do

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Speaker 12: an about turn because they've painted themselves into a very

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Speaker 12: tight corner. Not only lucks and so's New Zealand first,

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Speaker 12: but then it's to be expected from New Zealand first

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Speaker 12: because they don't like David.

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Speaker 3: Semol Yeah okay, yeah, very grown up. Hey, what did

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Speaker 3: you make of this revelation today that about sixty seven

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand staff were forced to sign gag orders?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, lot, there's a dictate in the public

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Speaker 12: service that see, public servants are not able or not

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Speaker 12: allowed to speak publicly about what goes on within the

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Speaker 12: public service, and that's by law.

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Speaker 2: But you know, these.

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Speaker 12: NDA's or non disclosure agreements, they're not they're nothing new.

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Speaker 12: And what it says to me, more than anything else,

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Speaker 12: is that the public service and the division between it

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Speaker 12: and the government is great because the government is peering

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Speaker 12: back on the public service. So there's no doubt that

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Speaker 12: there are many public servants working there that would like

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Speaker 12: to pimp on the government, and you know they're not

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Speaker 12: being given the opportunity too, but they will still do

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Speaker 12: it as we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but why do they need to sign a non

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Speaker 3: disclosure agreement if they already are supposed to be compried.

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Speaker 12: Well, they're meant to be, but you know, under the

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Speaker 12: old Official Secrets Act, they had to basically anything that

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Speaker 12: left their desk had to be confidential. Then in nineteen

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Speaker 12: eighty two, of course the Official Information Act came along,

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Speaker 12: and any one of us can apply to get information

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Speaker 12: out of the government. But we don't have to or

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Speaker 12: they don't have to comply anyway, because they can still

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Speaker 12: release redacted reports, which is what they do invariably, but

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Speaker 12: the Ombudsman is the final arbiter of that. So you know,

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Speaker 12: I think this is a storm and a tea cup

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Speaker 12: to be perfectly honest.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Barry, thank you appreciate it. That's arrious. Senior political

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Speaker 3: correspondence eight away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 14: Chris Hopkins has begun won the long Road back to

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Speaker 14: power by two talking about taxing us more. Denton's Kensington

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Speaker 14: Swan partner and tax expert Bruce Binaki as well as.

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Speaker 15: There is a case for looking at our tax system

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Speaker 15: and trying to raise more revenue because in our current

658
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Speaker 15: settings it is unaffordable. But I think when you think

659
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Speaker 15: about this, it's probably six livres a government can pole ride.

660
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Speaker 15: Can tax us more, you can borrow more. You can

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Speaker 15: raise the entitlement eight you can means test, you could

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Speaker 15: reintroduce the curve.

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Speaker 5: Tax that we had back in the eighties.

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Speaker 15: You can raise the immigration levels or with hard but

665
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Speaker 15: governments can try and do something to increase birth rate.

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Speaker 6: And so it's not just.

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Speaker 5: A tax and borrow discussion.

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Speaker 15: It's like, let's have a look at the overall design

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Speaker 15: of the system and how we're going to afford it.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: the Jaguar Fpace US Talk ZB Heather, I.

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Speaker 3: Agree with Barry. I'm a practicing Catholic, but should we

673
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Speaker 3: should keep out of these issues? Stick to your call

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Speaker 3: job this is the clergy. Thank you for that, Terry.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to David Seymour, who will be

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Speaker 3: with us very shortly, just after five o'clock to five,

677
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Speaker 3: way from five at the moment hither I try to

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Speaker 3: make a dinner reservation for four people on a Friday

679
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Speaker 3: night at a restaurant recently reviewed by Viva. I tried

680
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Speaker 3: for an eight to forty five booking after a film

681
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Speaker 3: festival movie at the Civic. The website said the kitchen

682
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Speaker 3: closed at nine thirty, and I was told they only

683
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Speaker 3: took reservations on the half hours, so they couldn't take us. Okay,

684
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Speaker 3: So this is what's going on right. So, as I

685
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Speaker 3: was telling you before, it has now statistically proven that

686
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Speaker 3: you're allowed to winge about the fact that Auckland closes

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Speaker 3: its kitchens early. Because it does, there are basically no

688
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Speaker 3: bookings take It's our fault though, as the punters, we

689
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Speaker 3: don't want to eat this late. Apparently no booking's taken

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Speaker 3: after eight thirty in Auckland. The Aussies they have their

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Speaker 3: last bookings at nine. The last bookings in London are

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Speaker 3: at quarter to ten nine forty five, But in places

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Speaker 3: like Rome, Mumbai and Buenosarrees. They are still out dining

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Speaker 3: at like midnight at weekends. Apparently at Coco's canteena on

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Speaker 3: k Road, which is a very popular place, they basically

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Speaker 3: start their dinner service at five thirty and it is

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Speaker 3: in full swing at five thirty. Heaps punter sitting there

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Speaker 3: having their dinner, and so you kind of go from

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Speaker 3: five thirty onwards. And then at BADOUTSI they reckon it starts.

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Speaker 3: They start taking the this is down at when you're

701
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Speaker 3: quarter They start taking the dessert orders at eight thirty

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Speaker 3: and people are already starting to leave and go home.

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Speaker 3: I would love to know why it is that we

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Speaker 3: are like this. I wonder if it's a hangover from

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Speaker 3: our farming culture. You know, you sort of have to

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Speaker 3: get up early, so therefore you go to bed early,

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Speaker 3: so you have your dinner early. So six o'clock dinner,

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Speaker 3: five thirty dinners not crazy. I wonder if it's also

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Speaker 3: because we're parents, because if you want to have a

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Speaker 3: meal with the Wei one, yeah, you are eating at

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Speaker 3: five thirty, aren't you, So maybe that I don't really know. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the Restaurant Association hopefully will be able to tell us

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Speaker 3: doesn't bother me in the slightest now, because I am

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Speaker 3: a mum of a toddler, so I do my dinner

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Speaker 3: at five thirty, don't I Can I tell you, because

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Speaker 3: I do like to winge about being a mum. I've

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Speaker 3: just got to tell you that there are some awesome

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Speaker 3: bits about being a mum. And we have just entered

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Speaker 3: full noise talking stage little and it's gorgeous. And little

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Speaker 3: dude scooted in this morning on his little indoor bike.

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Speaker 3: The little one scooted into the kitchen and said to me, hi, mate,

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Speaker 3: And I was like okay, and then it just carried on.

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Speaker 3: I was just mate all day long. And we can

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Speaker 3: sing the words to Yellow Submarine. We can do all

725
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Speaker 3: kinds of cool things.

726
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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: That's called just say so. If you're sort of on

728
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Speaker 3: the edge and you're like, shall I have a baby

729
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Speaker 3: or shall I keep going out to eat at eight thirty?

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Speaker 3: Just have a baby. It's much more enjoyable.

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Speaker 16: David Seamour next, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither dup to c Ellen drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected us talk, said b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The treaty Principals Bill has finally gone to cabinet today.

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Speaker 3: It is a draft. And it also happened on the

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Speaker 3: day that more than four hundred Christian leaders signed an

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Speaker 3: open letter calling on MPs to kill the bill as

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Speaker 3: soon as they possibly can. Acts Party leader David Seamore

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Speaker 3: was with us, Hey, David, Hey, Now I understand you've

740
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Speaker 3: made a change to what we thought was going to

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Speaker 3: be in the billboard.

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Speaker 17: Is it Well, we've always said that number one, the

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Speaker 17: government has the right to govern.

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Speaker 4: That's in the treaty.

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Speaker 17: That doesn't change number two, that we all have the

746
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Speaker 17: right to self determination or the tongue over our property

747
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Speaker 17: and our treasures, as it was in the English version

748
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Speaker 17: Taiga and the Mari version, And that we're actually going

749
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Speaker 17: to change a little bit to acknowledge the acknowledgment of

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Speaker 17: the rights of Hapu and Ewe at the time of

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Speaker 17: the treaty, because I think a lot of people have

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Speaker 17: been annoyed that we didn't include that. My suggestion is

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Speaker 17: that saying everyone has those rights actually strengthens the rights

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Speaker 17: of happou and Ewe because it generalizes them, gives everyone

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Speaker 17: a stake. But okay, and then the final part, which

756
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Speaker 17: everyone agrees on Natiahi. Everyone has the same rights and duties,

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Speaker 17: and I think when you put those three together, it's

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Speaker 17: a pretty compelling foundation for a country where everybody has

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Speaker 17: equal rights.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let me understand this Article two, which previously

761
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Speaker 3: said the New Zealand Government will honor all New Zealanders

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Speaker 3: in the chieftainship of their land and their property will remain.

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Speaker 3: But you will also add an acknowledgment of Ewe and

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Speaker 3: Hapu rites in eighteen forty.

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Speaker 4: That's about right.

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Speaker 17: I mean, bear in mind, you know, all that's happened

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Speaker 17: today is the government and the parties have agreed to

768
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Speaker 17: the broad outline of the bill that now goes off

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Speaker 17: to Parliament's drafters, who will take some time to write

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Speaker 17: the exact wording.

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Speaker 3: Now, this hasn't managed, This change hasn't managed to get

772
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Speaker 3: Christopher lux across the line. He still wants to kill it.

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean, you know, he's taken the position for

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Speaker 17: a long time that as the leader of the National Party,

775
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Speaker 17: they're not in favor of taking it any further than

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Speaker 17: six months of parliamentary debate, one two readings in a

777
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Speaker 17: Select committee hearing. You know me, I'm forever hopeful that

778
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Speaker 17: you just never know how circumstances might change. You see

779
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Speaker 17: the exact wording, you see the people's reaction, you see

780
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Speaker 17: it's actually a force for good, and maybe you take

781
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Speaker 17: a different view, but you know, you take about his

782
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Speaker 17: word and say, well, maybe maybe things could change in

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Speaker 17: the future.

784
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Speaker 3: How coincidental is it that the leaders write this open

785
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Speaker 3: letter on the very day that this thing goes to cabinet.

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Speaker 17: Hard to know, and maybe they've got a little birdie

787
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Speaker 17: that's told them something, But that's just speculation. I think

788
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Speaker 17: it's more likely that it is a coincidence. Where there's

789
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Speaker 17: three hundred and sixty five days in the year, so

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Speaker 17: take out weekends and Christmas holiday, I guess they probably

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Speaker 17: had about a one and two hundred chance.

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Speaker 3: What do you say to them, I mean, have they

793
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Speaker 3: got a point here?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 17: I mean I've been pretty surprised by the whole thing.

796
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Speaker 17: I mean, I thought I'd better not say that. You know,

797
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Speaker 17: it's ironic, because if those missionaries had been a bit

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Speaker 17: more helpful with the translation, we might not be in

799
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Speaker 17: this mess. In any event, I thought I better not

800
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Speaker 17: say that because I get even more upset. But I

801
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Speaker 17: just make the point that Christianity at its best is

802
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Speaker 17: the observation that each person has made in the image

803
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Speaker 17: of God and has the same rights. I mean, that

804
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Speaker 17: was the basis for anti slavery, It's been the basis

805
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Speaker 17: for so many good movements in political history. It's really

806
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Speaker 17: the foundation of liberal democracy, that idea that each of

807
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Speaker 17: us have equal rights. That's what we're trying to promote

808
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 17: with the Treaty Principles Bill, not this idea that the

809
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Speaker 17: courts have come up with that you know, somehow there's

810
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Speaker 17: a partnership between races and therefore we each have a

811
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Speaker 17: different role to play in New Zealand based on who

812
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Speaker 17: our ancestors were. We believe everybody is equal, and I

813
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Speaker 17: would have thought that was closer to the true Christian

814
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Speaker 17: teaching from the Book of Genesis than you know what

815
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Speaker 17: they are expounding. But hey, look the free speech and

816
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 17: they got a right to participate in Good.

817
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Speaker 3: On them, David, thank you very much, appreciated. That's David Seymore,

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Speaker 3: the Act Party leader.

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Speaker 6: Together do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Today's the first day of a fortnight in which NCEEA

821
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Speaker 3: pupils across the country are expected to sit there New

822
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Speaker 3: literacy and numerous they exams, but poor to a college's principles,

823
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Speaker 3: pupils rather won't be The school is canceled the literacy

824
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Speaker 3: exams because the kids aren't prepared poor to a principal. RAGNAE.

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Speaker 3: Maxwell is with us. Now, Hey, hello, Cura, why aren't

826
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Speaker 3: your students ready to sit the tests?

827
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Speaker 18: There's just too much going on at the moment. They've

828
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Speaker 18: got internals in all their subjects. They a number of

829
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Speaker 18: those internals are now being marked externally and being assat

830
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Speaker 18: in exam conditions in school, so they're having like exams

831
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Speaker 18: that gone for five periods during a week. Essentially, they've

832
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Speaker 18: got the Numeroucy test happening and they're just getting into

833
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Speaker 18: absolute overload.

834
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Speaker 3: But if other kids around the country can do it,

835
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Speaker 3: why can't yours?

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Speaker 18: Well, the question is what chance is success to people have.

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Speaker 18: We're already seeing, you know, almost half of the country

838
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Speaker 18: failing these tests, so actually they can't manage the tests

839
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Speaker 18: even at other times when they're less pressured. We are

840
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Speaker 18: asked to put the students in for assessments when we

841
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Speaker 18: feel they have a realistic chance of success. We don't

842
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Speaker 18: think this is that Is it the.

843
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Speaker 3: Right thing to cancel or is it the right thing?

844
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Speaker 3: Actually to get the kids ready for it. I mean,

845
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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? It feels slightly defeatist.

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Speaker 18: No, it's not defeatists at all, because this is not

847
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Speaker 18: the only way the students can get literacy. They can

848
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Speaker 18: also get literacy through internal standards, and so that is

849
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Speaker 18: a much more likely way for many of them to

850
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Speaker 18: get it. And as we give them a bit more

851
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Speaker 18: time to finish completing their internals, far fewer of them

852
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Speaker 18: will even need to give the tests to go.

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Speaker 3: Will they be ready when these tests are compulsory in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 18: I don't think we're ever going to have all of

856
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Speaker 18: our students ready to prove that they are literate in

857
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Speaker 18: a high stakes examination environment. That has always been a situation.

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Speaker 18: There are lots of people who do not perform in tests,

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Speaker 18: but who are literate.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Rugna, thank you very much, really appreciated. It's rudno Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: who is the port to a college principle to ever do?

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Speaker 5: See?

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Speaker 3: Well, we were expecting the decision today, And what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen to those two mills in that re A

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Speaker 3: pair who you'll remember these ones? These are the ones

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Speaker 3: that shut down initially for a couple of weeks because

867
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Speaker 3: the power prices were too high, and then they've remained

868
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Speaker 3: closed and they may well close indefinitely and it would

869
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Speaker 3: be the loss of two hundred and thirty jobs. That

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Speaker 3: decision was supposed to be out today, but it has

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Speaker 3: now been pushed out to tomorrow afternoon. Now I'm taking

872
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 3: from this that there is a little bit more hope

873
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: for the steal than I thought that there was, because

874
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: late last week, you might remember I was telling you

875
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: about this. There are five ministers who've been working on

876
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: trying to stitch a deal together to keep these things open,

877
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: these two mills, And late last week I was told

878
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 3: by literally everybody involved in it who I spoke to,

879
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: that there was just it was looking really, really dire,

880
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: and there was no chance that the thing was going

881
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: to get across the line. However, if there is a

882
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: delay from today till tomorrow, that would suggest that maybe

883
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: maybe there are some more negotiations on going and they

884
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: just need a little bit more time to get it

885
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: across the line. So fingers crossed. I'm sure the workers

886
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: will have their fingers cross If Winstone chooses to close

887
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: the sites, it's going to be by early October, so

888
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: about a month's time and gone fourteen past five. Hither

889
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: I don't believe what I just heard here. The thanks

890
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: for that principal interview. At least I know what school

891
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: not to send my son to. Now that's from Mark Heather. OMG.

892
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 3: Don't send your kids to port it to a college.

893
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: No ambition there, great, Scott Heather. If your kids are

894
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: in that port it to a school, get them out.

895
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: Kids are being taught how to lose. It's pretty shocking.

896
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: And the text just carry on, is it?

897
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

898
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: It's a DEFEATI statitude, isn't it? Seventeen past five? Just

899
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: really quickly? The cricket is still not on. Are they

900
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: going to do an inspection of the ground because of

901
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: the rain? Going to do an inspection of the ground

902
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: again at about six o'clock to see if it's dry enough,

903
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: and then hopefully we'll get the thing underway.

904
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: Now.

905
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: A new survey, as I was telling you, is found

906
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: that Auckland restaurants close earlier than anywhere else in the world.

907
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: International food magazine Chef's Pencil looked at four four hundred

908
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: restaurants in eighty nine cities around the world and worked

909
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: out the medium medium time for the last seating in

910
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: each of these cities. In Auckland it's half past eight.

911
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: It's the earliest time of any city in the survey.

912
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: Nicola Waldron is the general manager of the Restaurant's Association. Hey,

913
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: Nikola Cura, why are we like this?

914
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 19: Well, you know, I think there's lots of different reasons

915
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 19: why people may decide to eat early. You know, it's

916
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 19: a good time if you've got a young family, maybe

917
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 19: catching a bite after work with some friends. I think,

918
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 19: you know, also Auckland, the spread out nature of Auckland

919
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 19: sort of probably plays a bit of a part as well,

920
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 19: so you might have to drive home afterwards. So there's

921
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 19: lots of different reasons I think that play into this.

922
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: But I sort of had I'd wondered if it was

923
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: the children thing as well, But not everybody is a parent, right,

924
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: And even if you become a parent, we're leaving it

925
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: later in life. So surely there's a quorum of people

926
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: out there who want to have a few drinks and

927
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: then go out for dinner a bit later. Is it

928
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: maybe a hangover? Have we just got into a pattern

929
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: because we're an old farming country.

930
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 19: Look, I think dining early has probably always had its

931
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 19: place in New Zealand, but we do need early diners

932
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 19: to help restaurants to spread out the flow of customers

933
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 19: over the night. You know, otherwise we're all traditionally going

934
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 19: out at seven or seven thirty. So you know, those

935
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 19: early diners will maybe kind of come in early, have

936
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 19: a quick meal, and then that allows them to take

937
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 19: advantage perhaps of a quieter dining environment. They don't have

938
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 19: to wait for a table but then that table is

939
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 19: freed up again for customers to come in that those

940
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 19: traditionally peak times, So I think they've got a good

941
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 19: place as well.

942
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: Do tourists find us dull?

943
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 19: I don't think that we're dull. I think we've got

944
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 19: a really.

945
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Come on, Okay to stop it out now, now you're

946
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: going overboard now trying to put a good spin on this.

947
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're in Cairo and you're eating at midnight,

948
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: and then you come to New Zealand and we stop

949
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: taking orders at half past eight, that's pretty boring.

950
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: Do you know.

951
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 19: I think that the visiting tourists actually do have play

952
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 19: a good bit of influence on our dining patterns as well,

953
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 19: because they do traditionally eat later than us, So you know,

954
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 19: in those peak tourist times and we've got those international

955
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 19: tourists coming in, then we might see them typically eating

956
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 19: later than our domestic customers. But again that is a

957
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 19: good thing for our restaurants to help with the flow

958
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 19: across the evening.

959
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: Nikola, thank you, I appreciate your time. It's Nicole a.

960
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: Waldron Restaurant Association general manager. Heather it's because we're trying

961
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 3: to get home before the frigging roads closer. This is true.

962
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: My mum lives in Pikakoee, which is down the motorway

963
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: from Auckland, and she's always saying she comes up to

964
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: visit me in Auckland, comes up to do whatever. I

965
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: don't know, and then she gets stuck by the bloody

966
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: motorway that's closed. That motorway has been closed since I

967
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: was at university. What the hell are they still doing

968
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: too it? I mean, geez, surely by now the things

969
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: should be bloody gold and like we should be going.

970
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: It's like an like the amount of work they've put

971
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: on this bloody things should be like an autobahn. But

972
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: it's not, is it anyway? So that's part of it. Hey,

973
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: I've got to update you really quickly on this because

974
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Shane that Eat about it shortly.

975
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: Remember that Health New Zealand thing where the GP visits

976
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: in hawks Bay were free for Mari and Pacifica kids

977
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: age fourteen to twenty four, but other ethnicities had to

978
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: start paying. The local papers and hawks Bay did a

979
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: little a thing over the weekend figuring out how much

980
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: these kids are paying. They had a look at five practices.

981
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 3: Fourteen year olds are paying up to obviously their parents

982
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: paying up to fifty seven dollars for a GP's visit,

983
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: and over eighteen year olds are paying up to sixty

984
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: four dollars. So it would grind gears if you look

985
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 3: at another ethnicity who are getting it for free but

986
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: you've got to pay sixty four bucks. That's quite a lot.

987
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: So anyway, Shane that Heaty, he'd got as please explain

988
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: from the Health New Zealand guys today. He's going to

989
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: be with us after half past five, five twenty two.

990
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

991
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and

992
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: news talks.

993
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: That'd be Yeah, the luxon needs to grow a pair

994
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: per the Treecy Bill. Many of us want to see

995
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 3: this and if it's acceptable, moved forward. Okay, well, actually

996
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: on that subject, let's talk about it. It's five I reckon.

997
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: The church led opposition to the Treaty Principles Bill is

998
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: actually quite awkward for National because these are not National.

999
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: These are not people that National can just write off

1000
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: and ignore. They're not sort of like, they're not fringed,

1001
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Christians actually make up a

1002
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: reasonable portion of National's voting base traditionally, and while not

1003
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: all Christians are necessarily going to agree with their church

1004
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: and their spiritual leaders on this, you know, they may

1005
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: have differing opinions. Some will be led by what they're

1006
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: seeing in the media, and that's all coward for National.

1007
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: It is very awkward for National. I do not feel

1008
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: sorry for National on this. This is a pickle all

1009
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: of Christopher Luxon's own making, and he's got a wallow

1010
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: in this one because taking this bill to Select Committee

1011
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: and no further was a terrible decision. It was so bad.

1012
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that Luxon thought it was a pragmatic

1013
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: thing to do. When he said half yes to it,

1014
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: he said, oh, I'll introduce it, and then I'll kill it.

1015
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: So it's a little half yes. It's not a yes,

1016
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: it's not a no, it's a half yes. He introduced

1017
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: it so he would make David seymore happy, and then

1018
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 3: you know, managed to stitch a little co Rusian government together.

1019
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: But then he would kill it before it actually became law,

1020
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: because it would make everyone else happy and it would

1021
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: make sure that Chris Luxen wasn't considered a racist, anti

1022
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: treaty prime minister. But that's not what happened. Half yes

1023
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: did not go down well. Instead, both sides are pretty

1024
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: cross at Christopher Luxan over this. Those who think the

1025
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: bill should go all the way through and be voted

1026
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: into law are angry that he's killing it, and those

1027
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: who think the bill should never even be debated at

1028
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: Select Committee because it's going to be so divisive are

1029
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: angry that he's even supporting it. To that point, Christopher

1030
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: Luxon is right now learning the cost that you pay

1031
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: in politics for standing for nothing, for picking the middle ground,

1032
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: for taking the coward's choice on something. He didn't have

1033
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: to learn this lesson. He could have just gone and

1034
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: read the Bible. It's in there, Revelation three verses fifteen

1035
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: to sixteen. I know your deeds that you are neither

1036
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: hot nor cold. I wish you were either one or

1037
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: the other. So because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold,

1038
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm about to spit you out of my mouth. And

1039
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: that is what Christopher Luxen is on this He is

1040
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 3: neither hot nor cold. On this bill, he is lukewarm,

1041
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: and so he is going to be coppying it on

1042
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: both sides. From here to kingdom come, Heather duper Cy Allen, Oh,

1043
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: thank you? Who said amen to me?

1044
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: Was that you?

1045
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 3: Ants?

1046
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 16: Oh?

1047
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: Ants loves a little Bible scripture? Don't you just rip

1048
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: that out occasionally?

1049
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 4: Why?

1050
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 5: Either?

1051
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 20: I was not expecting the Book of Revelation in the

1052
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 20: editorial today.

1053
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 5: Good word.

1054
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: The Book of Revelation is my favorite because it's just

1055
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: so bloody dystopian. Thank you for that, Ants, which we'll

1056
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: have a little church service later on, just the pair

1057
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: of us, Heather. There are many parents in Rome too, truly,

1058
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: but they don't eat it nursery hours. The kids eat

1059
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 3: at seven or later. I cannot get my head around

1060
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: this five thirty business or notebookings after eight thirty's got

1061
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: a change. We cannot complain about the lightlife in Auckland.

1062
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: If you can't get a meal after a show, it

1063
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: simply cannot be a thing that you can only drink

1064
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: and not eat after eight thirty. O MG, I'm so

1065
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: triggered by this. This is Cassandra lived in Rome headlines.

1066
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duper

1067
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: c Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected

1068
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: and news talk.

1069
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: Z be.

1070
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 21: Heither.

1071
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: I hope you're gonn to ask Michola Willis about her

1072
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: portrayal of Wellington and her supporter for a cabal of Auckland.

1073
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: MP's it's dying here and the council are desperate to

1074
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 3: Dave Bless. I don't think the council are desperate actually,

1075
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: and I think the largely the problems in Wellington are

1076
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: caused by the council. So I'm not gonna ask her that.

1077
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: What I'm going to ask her about is the grocery

1078
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: Commissioner's cracked down. I reckon it might be counterproductive and

1079
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: I'll explain to you why I think this in just attack.

1080
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: The Huddle is standing by. We've got this evening Joe

1081
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: Speghanny and Bridget Morton and right now it's twenty four

1082
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: away from.

1083
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: Sex Heather due to see Ellen.

1084
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: Late last week we found out that Health New Zealand

1085
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: had decided that fourteen to twenty four year olds and

1086
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Speaker 3: Hawks Bay would have to pay for their GP visits again,

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Speaker 3: but it would then also remain free for this age

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Speaker 3: group if as long as they're Mario or Pacifica. The

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Speaker 3: Health Minister, Shane the Retti, asked for a please explain

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Speaker 3: from Health New Zealand. He's with us now.

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Speaker 2: Hey Shane, Hey, good evening here.

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Speaker 13: They good to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you. Did you get the

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Speaker 3: answer you're looking for?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Did.

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Speaker 13: When my office was made aware last Thursday that there

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Speaker 13: was going to be a change, we communicated back to

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Speaker 13: them that it was not consistent with government policy, certainly

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Speaker 13: not consistent with my government policy statement. They've worked on

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Speaker 13: that and there has now been changed. Been meet again

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Speaker 13: this morning and it has been changed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what did they say to you about why

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Speaker 3: they did this even though you have this policy in government, they.

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Speaker 6: Must have known it.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean they're trying to target the most vulnerable.

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Speaker 13: But I've always said and my government policy statement clearly says,

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Speaker 13: the very first imperative is on health need. And then

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Speaker 13: underneath that we understand there are those that are at

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Speaker 13: a more at risk, like they're now doing with some

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Speaker 13: of the targeting. But they got that round the wrong

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Speaker 13: way and have now corrected it.

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Speaker 3: And so what has it changed too?

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Speaker 13: So what a change too is it is available for

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Speaker 13: under twenty four year olds that have free access to

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Speaker 13: a GP if you currently hold a community services card,

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Speaker 13: currently reside in the Quintal five area, and have a

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Speaker 13: diagnosed long term condition which includes a number of conditions.

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Speaker 13: So the first I that criteria our ability to pay,

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Speaker 13: and the third criteria is your clinical need.

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Speaker 3: And so nothing about ethnicity anymore, No, Shane, did they

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Speaker 3: were they being deliberately rogue or were they just being

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Speaker 3: a bit dumb?

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Speaker 13: Look, I truly believe they were well intentioned, but they

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Speaker 13: hadn't read the room and they are are still to

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Speaker 13: fully embrace the direction of my government policy statement and

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Speaker 13: the direction of this government.

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Speaker 3: They don't love it.

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Speaker 13: We will distribute health resources based on need.

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Speaker 3: First, they disagree with you.

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Speaker 13: They got this policy wrong. They have rapidly reshaped.

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Speaker 3: It and learning I mean, do you know whether because

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Speaker 3: I mean surely you asked this question. Are you people

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00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: deliberately disobeying what we're saying or did.

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Speaker 4: You just not know?

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Speaker 3: Did you ask that question?

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Speaker 13: Look? I asked how it came to be that My

1138
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 13: government policy statement is very clear and the case was

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Speaker 13: made well, look, Mary are clearly a group that have

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Speaker 13: challenges and their ability to pay and have these clinical needs,

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Speaker 13: to which I said to them, well, look, you know

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Speaker 13: there are actually other non Mary who are also in

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Speaker 13: similar situations and have that clinical need as well, and

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Speaker 13: we need to be embraceive of them all, so change

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Speaker 13: the policy.

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm asking you this question is because it

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Speaker 3: feels like there's a pattern developing here with Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand where they just continuously do staff that they know

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Speaker 3: is contrary to what you guys want.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there is some reading of the room that they

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 13: continue to need to do, and I know the Commissioner

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00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 13: and certainly the senior team are certainly firming up on

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00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 13: what is no longer acceptable. My government policy statement has

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Speaker 13: been out for several months now. Read the room. Read

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Speaker 13: the statement that is the direction of travel.

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Speaker 3: How high up the food chain did someone sign off

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00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: on that thing? In Hawks Bay?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 13: I don't know an answer to that here that I

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Speaker 13: need to find that out.

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Speaker 3: You should probably find that out because that person is

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Speaker 3: the person you need to fire. Shane, earn it, what

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00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: lets think about it, or just put them on like

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Speaker 3: a first warning or something like that.

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Speaker 13: Look, I would hope that they're in the right place,

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Speaker 13: doing the right job. But they got this wrong and

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Speaker 13: have My expectation is that they will touch this learning

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Speaker 13: under their belt and I'll get it wrong again.

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Speaker 3: I hope so. But then they do work at Health

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. So listen, what do you make of the

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00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: staff at Health New Zealand having to sign these gag orders?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, that's commercial practice and I have no

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00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 13: concerns with that. The previous government did as well. Whether

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Speaker 13: they use confidentiality agreement or NBA similar sort of process,

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Speaker 13: they need to be used appropriately, but it's commonplace in

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Speaker 13: commercial environments when this particularly sensitive issues.

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Speaker 3: Shane, thank you for your time. I really appreciate you

1178
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Speaker 3: coming on the show and explaining it to us as

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Speaker 3: doctor Shane LETI, it's the Health Minister twenty away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 3: Huddle with us this evening is Josephagani of Child Fund

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Speaker 3: and Bridget Morton, our lawyer at Frank's Ogilby. Hello you too, Hello,

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00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: good evening, Josie. Do you reckon that David seems changed

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00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: to the Treaty Principal's Bill will be enough to quell

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Speaker 3: some of the opposition.

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Speaker 22: No, I don't, because I think I was looking on

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Speaker 22: the website today and they've said, you know, acts Treaty

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Speaker 22: Principal Bill will ensure our nation's founding documents delivers on

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Speaker 22: its promise of equal rights to all New Zealanders. Now,

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Speaker 22: the problem, I think Active God, is that the Treaty

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Speaker 22: is a contract and it doesn't actually promise equal rights

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Speaker 22: to all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: What it promises is to give Mary their.

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Speaker 22: Own system of government and their own and their own

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Speaker 22: for their own people, and a new national government that

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Speaker 22: will take over the big stuff like trade, foreign affairs,

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Speaker 22: crime and so on.

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Speaker 3: But foreign afairs being in the treaty no, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was like stuff into it.

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Speaker 4: That it was. It was.

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Speaker 22: It was a division of government if you like. So

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Speaker 22: it wasn't really promising equal rights to all people, which

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Speaker 22: is easy to say, and I think there are a

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Speaker 22: lot more creative ideas, and I think Act of just

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Speaker 22: you know, they kind of pulled themselves into a cul

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Speaker 22: de sac with this stuff. Because even people like Eric Crampton, right,

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Speaker 22: who work a New Zealand initiative, who is probably quite

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Speaker 22: friendly to ACT and their views. He just did an

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Speaker 22: amazing piece recently about Indigenous Indians in Canada, where the

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Speaker 22: Canadian government have said, right, these are your lands. On

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Speaker 22: your lands, you can set your own building regulations, you

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00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 22: can build homes, you can build whatever you want, you

1214
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Speaker 22: set the rules and regulations. You can even tax your

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Speaker 22: own people within your own area of land. So there's

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Speaker 22: a lot of other creative ways of honoring the treaty.

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Speaker 22: This he's trying to rewrite the Treaty as some kind of.

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Speaker 3: Bring the twenty first century right, Yes, you've got because

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Speaker 3: because it WoT I mean. The point that he's trying

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Speaker 3: to make is that the Treaty was written at a

1221
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: time when New Zealand was basically being settled, and we

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00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: have changed from there. And I guess his argument, Your

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: argument is you can take an eighteen forties way of

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Speaker 3: doing things and bring it into the twenty first century.

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Speaker 3: And I guess his argument is things have changed too much,

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Speaker 3: you've got to change it.

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Speaker 22: No, I just it's not about bringing a nineteen forties

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Speaker 22: eight eighteen forties idea into today. But it is about saying,

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Speaker 22: how do you give? I mean, devolution of services is

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Speaker 22: the way we've been doing it in subsequent government's, National

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Speaker 22: and Labor have done that very well.

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Speaker 3: Where you go.

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Speaker 22: We just talked, you know, you just talk to Shane

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Speaker 22: Retti about health. You know where you devolve to Mari

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Speaker 22: to Mari for Mary to deliver health services, because it's

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Speaker 22: better than central government doing it. So I think ACT

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00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 22: would have been much better. Owning the kind like charter

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Speaker 22: schools is a kind of devolution. Right, Marty can run

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00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 22: their own school, but as.

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Speaker 3: Can everybody else. And that's the point is not just

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: for Mari, it's for everybody being.

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Speaker 22: But there is a contract, Heather, That's the thing I

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00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 22: think that that they're not And you know they believe

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Speaker 22: in property rights. A contract like we have trade deals,

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Speaker 22: we have we have treaties on visa rights and so on.

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Speaker 22: It is a treaty with certain obligations and certain responsibilities.

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Speaker 22: You can't walk away from that.

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Speaker 21: What do you reckon Bridget Well, I think the problem

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Speaker 21: with the Treaty Principal's bill is it is too much

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00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 21: of a blunt instrument. And I think that's what's Josie's

1251
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 21: really saying, is the fact is that to try and

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Speaker 21: sort of take all of this nuance and different policy

1253
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 21: outcomes and bring it into modern time with one bill,

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Speaker 21: it's almost impossible to ask. And it was essentially you know,

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Speaker 21: you can put it up as a political statement, but

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 21: the courts are almost definitely going to knock it around.

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Speaker 21: We're not going to have the outcomes that Act as

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Speaker 21: seeking from this particular bill. And I think that's the

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 21: problem that Acts got and possibly why you know, we

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00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 21: saw at Postcab that the bill maybe is not even

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Speaker 21: yet ready to be introduced, is because the drafting is

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Speaker 21: so tricky to actually achieve all of the things that

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00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 21: Act promised it could pre election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and lux and Bridget is obviously not going to

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: move on today, No.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, And I think that's really clear, and it's been

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 21: clear for what ten months now that they're not going

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 21: to move on it, and it's just forcing that issue

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Speaker 21: further and further.

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Speaker 22: I think that if they could be honest about what

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00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 22: they're really trying to push back against They're trying to

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Speaker 22: push back against what they see as a sort of

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Speaker 22: treaty industry, you know, government departments.

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Speaker 3: Changing with the gps R exactly.

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Speaker 22: So so why not have that debate rather than trying

1276
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 22: to do this sing you right, bridget I mean this,

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00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 22: this this bill is never going to see the light

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 22: of day. All it's doing is people have got an

1279
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Speaker 22: idea that it's somehow, you know, negating the whole.

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Speaker 3: Treaty history that we've got.

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Speaker 22: So all all that, all that it's done is cause

1282
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 22: more problems and divide people even further. Whereas if they

1283
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 22: wanted to push back on things like, you know, the

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 22: GPS only seeing Marty kids rather than working class parking

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00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 22: are kids who have no money either, that is poor,

1286
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 22: then then then let's have that debate and and and

1287
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 22: let's have a debate about what you do about the fact.

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Speaker 3: That Marty have terrible health statistics.

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Speaker 22: But this is just it's just a canna, you know,

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Speaker 22: it's just a distraction.

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Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break, come back with you

1292
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Speaker 3: guys very shortly. It's called it two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Exceptional marketing

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: for every property.

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Speaker 3: Right back of the Hudle Bridget Wilton and josephganni Bridge.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of put it to a college

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Speaker 3: canceling the literacy exams?

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Speaker 21: Oh, I'm completely frustrated by it. I think that it's

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Speaker 21: meant to whole bunch of students will not get the

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Speaker 21: opportunity to get that qualification.

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Speaker 3: Last year we had the highest.

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Speaker 21: Proportion of students leaving school before they were seventeen in

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Speaker 21: the last decade, thirty six percent of MOORI students left

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Speaker 21: before they were seventeen. So if they don't get the

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Speaker 21: opportunity to set that test this year, and we know

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Speaker 21: in current statistics about fifty percent of the may have

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Speaker 21: passed it, they will not get that qualification. And I

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00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 21: think that's what's missing in this debates, like we want

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00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 21: more time, it's too stressful, there's too much work, But ultimately,

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Speaker 21: for many of these students, there's one chance for them

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Speaker 21: to get their schooling, and putting out these deadlines actually

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Speaker 21: harms them more than worrying about principal workload.

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Speaker 6: I worry.

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Speaker 3: I worry here, Josie that what this fundamentally is an

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Speaker 3: admission of is that at put it to a college.

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Speaker 3: Like at many other places around the country, there is

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Speaker 3: a huge group of kids who do not know how

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Speaker 3: to read and write at the level that they are

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Speaker 3: expected to for their age. And so we're just not

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Speaker 3: going to have an exam. That's the problem.

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Speaker 22: And actually this would be a really good issue for

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Speaker 22: acts to own. That's what I mean about charter schools.

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Speaker 22: If these kids are failing, I think they can do

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Speaker 22: a better job than that principle who you interview. And

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Speaker 22: I think what this what's behind this is that there's

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Speaker 22: a thing in teaching today where they don't like tests,

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Speaker 22: and the teachers keep pushing back on the.

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Speaker 3: Test because it reflects badly on them.

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Speaker 22: And also I think that it's a kind of belief

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 22: that you shouldn't train kids to be these economic little

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 22: units that you know past tests, will fail tests and

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Speaker 22: so on. Let them paint and make compost, you know.

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Speaker 22: And I think that's the problem, is that we've done

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Speaker 22: this kind of child centered learning, is what it's called.

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Speaker 22: And actually the evidence shows that when you teach kids stuff,

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Speaker 22: when you when you fill their brains with facts and

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Speaker 22: figures and whatever, they learn more.

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Speaker 3: It's a hard drive.

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Speaker 23: Yes, right, poor kids suffer the most from this painting

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Speaker 23: because the poor kids suffer the most bridgid because they're

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Speaker 23: not getting it at home, at least in wealthy homes

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Speaker 23: that the parents will like, you know, and there's a

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Speaker 23: massive generalization we're making here, but we'll have the time to.

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Speaker 3: Be able to go and fill in the gaps for

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Speaker 3: them to make compost. Yeah, and make the composts. We're

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Speaker 3: actually failing the poorer kids, aren't we.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we are, And I mean that's and that's also

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Speaker 21: proven statistic is that gap is getting wider and wider

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Speaker 21: in terms of the kids achieving the literacy and numerously statistics,

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Speaker 21: and I yeah, this whole set of adversion to testing

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Speaker 21: also frustrates me.

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Speaker 3: I'm tested on a daily.

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Speaker 21: Basis, you know, and my role as a lawyer, a

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 21: client problem comes to me, I need to turn around,

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 21: get them back advice. Make sure that you know it's

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Speaker 21: high cool advice. That is what how most people have

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Speaker 21: to operate is that they are tested every day on

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 21: their skills. I don't think we should be shying around

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Speaker 21: away from that just you know, make.

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Speaker 22: Hate exams and I failed exams and I failed tests

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Speaker 22: all through my schooling. I mean I managed to get

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Speaker 22: to university, but only because I had massive intervention, and

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 22: so I understand this. But if I don't even know

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Speaker 22: my time's table, Heather, We've had this conversation before Scross,

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Speaker 22: I know, and no one taught me. And so I

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 22: look at this stuff and go, do you not realize

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Speaker 22: that the more kids know, the more that the more

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Speaker 22: they can learn? And that's just proven fact that our

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01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 22: brains aren't like hard drives. Kids' brains can just absorb

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Speaker 22: so much stuff and we're letting down the poorest kids.

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Speaker 3: Really attitude, Bridget, can you explain to me why it

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Speaker 3: is that we have to eat at nursery hours in

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Speaker 3: this country.

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Speaker 21: I totally agree with this, and I think the number

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Speaker 21: one frustration I have, particularly in Wellington, is you go

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Speaker 21: to something after work, so you know, a drinks function

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Speaker 21: something like that, and then you go to leave that

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 21: function you want some dinner and they're closing the kitchen

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Speaker 21: at eight pm or you know, you sit down at

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Speaker 21: seven thirty and they're like, oh, you need to order

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Speaker 21: in the next ten minutes. That is the most frustrating thing.

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Speaker 21: And I do not understand why we have not developed

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Speaker 21: a culture here. We're successful to eat beyond six pm

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Speaker 21: at night.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's like we've got this culture where, you know,

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Speaker 22: we go home and we're good during the week and

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 22: we watch the Telly or Netflix or whatever, and we

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Speaker 22: do nothing. And then it gets to Friday night and

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01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 22: we make ourselves blow so and end up in a

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Speaker 22: and e, you know, and it's like we can't. We

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Speaker 22: can't just sort of be bit of a French and

1392
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Speaker 22: go out and have nice meals with you know, one

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 22: glass of wine.

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Speaker 3: It's like we're either you know, what time do you

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Speaker 3: eat your dinner, Josie.

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Speaker 22: Well, I see, when you've got kids, you get used

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Speaker 22: to eating it early.

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Speaker 3: Now I eat it later.

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Speaker 22: And then I did live in France, actually, and you

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 22: no one ate dinner before seven thirty eight, And so

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01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 22: what time do you eat it now?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 22: I'd eat about six thirty.

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Speaker 3: Late at home, at home late. What that's like halfway

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 3: through the news. Oh my gosh, Bridget what you still

1406
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: watch the news? Heather? Of course you do, yes, of

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 3: course I do. Bridget. What time do you eat your dinner?

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Speaker 21: I think that's seven thirty by the time we get

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Speaker 21: home from work, you know, fluff around it and make

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Speaker 21: the dinner.

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Speaker 22: But we do have this issue like if you go

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Speaker 22: I'm saying in a motel on the East coast the

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Speaker 22: other day and it had a sign saying we do

1414
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 22: like guests to cooperate and you think what and the

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Speaker 22: kitchen closed at six thirty or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're so grow up New Zealand. She I've got

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: a yarn about Parmeston North. I have to tell next

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: because geez, Parmston North, Parmestan needs to sort it out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, appreciate it. That's Joseph Gani of

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Speaker 3: ChildFund in bridget Morton, who's a lawyer at Ogilvy Franks.

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Speaker 3: Seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: Upon your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1423
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen

1424
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

1425
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: News Talks Zibbi.

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Speaker 3: Heather, I've got a little idea about the terms of

1427
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 3: the Treaty of White Hanging, and even less about the

1428
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: myriad of consequences of it. But what's wrong with defining

1429
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: these principles in legislation seems like a logical step.

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Speaker 4: No.

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 3: I was actually discussing this with Josie in one of

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Speaker 3: the ad breaks just then because Josie was saying, well,

1433
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 3: you know, why not push back? Why doesn't Act push

1434
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: back on the things that they want to push back on?

1435
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 3: For example, you know, like the free health visits for

1436
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: people only if they're Ari and pacifica. I think the

1437
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: problem is because what has happened with the Treaty has

1438
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: really started in the nineteen seventies and it's just got

1439
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 3: bigger and bigger and kind of got legs of its own,

1440
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: hasn't it, And so all of a sudden, you've got

1441
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: it everywhere, and it's it's treaty principles and legislation affecting

1442
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: how ud anger Tamadiki, you know, takes Maori babies off parking,

1443
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 3: how foster parents and has to give them back to

1444
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: a Mahori family. You've got this stuff that Health New

1445
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: Zealand is doing with preferential treatment. You've got the Defense

1446
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 3: Force having to give money preferentially to businesses that are

1447
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 3: owned by Maori people. It's just literally everywhere. So how

1448
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 3: do you push back on all of that stuff at once?

1449
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's massive. So the best thing that you

1450
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: can do, presumably is pass a law that kind of

1451
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: sets a guiding light like a compass for people. I think,

1452
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: I think I'm not in David Semol's brain, but that

1453
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: seems like the most logical explanation rather than trying to

1454
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: fight a thousand fires. You are the legislator, you write

1455
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: the law. You just do your one little thing and

1456
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 3: go bigger. We'll fix now if you can, right, So

1457
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: that's obviously what he's trying to do. Listen, Palmas to North, Now,

1458
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on in Palmiston North, Because

1459
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: somebody's having a wedding in Palmas to North next month.

1460
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: And I booked into this really nice place in Palmas

1461
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: to North and we're going to go down and the

1462
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: boy was going to stay behind in Auckland and then

1463
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, he's got to come with us. Now

1464
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm not unhappy about that. I love hanging out with him,

1465
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: so he's coming with us. So but this place now

1466
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: doesn't let babies go like there, don't let children under twelve.

1467
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: So I had to cancel reluctantly. Well, bugg at me

1468
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 3: if I can find anywhere decent to Parmeiston North to stay.

1469
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: It's like clinical hotels. No, no disrespect to the copthorn

1470
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Speaker 3: in the overtel. But I mean it's like hotel, hotel,

1471
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's like a hotel and

1472
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Speaker 3: then nick minute. Then the next one you got down

1473
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: is like motor Lodgers. But there is there nowhere in

1474
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: Palmerston North. That's just a bit like and try and

1475
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: find an airbnb. Oh my gosh, what's going on Parmeston North?

1476
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: Why have you got no decent accommodation? It's boring sorted

1477
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: out now. I understand why the Spanish soccer team were like,

1478
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: they were just saying, Nikolaula's next.

1479
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Speaker 6: What's what's down? What we're to make your calls?

1480
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: And how will it affect the economy of the.

1481
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: Baby business questions on the Business Hour, we're the duplessy

1482
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: Ellen and my AhR on News Talks.

1483
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: Av even in coming up in the next hour, we're

1484
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: going to speak to one of the church leaders who

1485
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: signed that open letter against the treaty. Principals Billies with

1486
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: us after five point thirty Shane Soley's going to talk

1487
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: us through why we saw that fall in US government

1488
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: bonds and markets on Friday, and then Gavin Gray with

1489
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: US out of the UK. It's seven past six and

1490
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: with us right now we have the Finance minist Nicola

1491
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: las Haye Nikola Hire you are you supporting the grocery

1492
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: Commissioner's crackdown?

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 24: Yeah. I think it's important that the Grocery Commissioner use

1494
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 24: the powers that has been given to him to ensure

1495
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 24: that the big supermarkets are being competitive and are behaving

1496
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 24: within the code that they've all signed up to.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to die because David Seymour is going

1498
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: to oppose it.

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Speaker 24: I've got no reason to believe that's the case. We've

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Speaker 24: got a law there that's being enforced, and I think

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 24: most New Zealanders would agree that competition between the majors

1502
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 24: supermarket players is important. We want to get a good

1503
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 24: deal for consumers and enforcing the regulations is one way

1504
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 24: of doing that.

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Speaker 3: For the Grocery Commissioner to be able to go the

1506
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: full hog that he wants to, he needs to get

1507
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 3: some sort of sign off from legislators. Is it something

1508
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 3: that just the minister can sign off or does it

1509
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: have to go through cabinet?

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,879
Speaker 24: Well, he's already got a full suite of powers available

1511
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 24: to him so, and of course he's only been up

1512
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 24: and running for a few months. So the point is

1513
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 24: use those powers that are available to you and if

1514
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 24: he thinks that they're not sufficient, and he'd have to

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Speaker 24: bring that case to ministers, and yes, ministers would have

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Speaker 24: to decide whether we wanted to take further action. In

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 24: the first instance, I think he has to enforce the

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01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 24: law that's already there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So that is what he wants to be able

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Speaker 3: to do. Is he wants to be able to force

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 3: changes at wholesale, he needs a Section fifty six inquiry,

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Speaker 3: which he's going to do, and then the backstop is

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Speaker 3: granted to him by the minister. Does that need David

1524
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: seymore sign off?

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01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 24: Look, this is not something that we have that we

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 24: have discussed as a cabinet, and I think that is

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01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 24: one step and then the next step. So the first

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 24: step is the fourth what's there. The second step is

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01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 24: for those supermarkets to do compliance and make sure that

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Speaker 24: they're meeting the requirements that are there, and then any

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 24: other steps would be after that. So I'm not going

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 24: to get ahead of Head of the City because.

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Speaker 3: Did you see David Simore's comments over the weekends that

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: weekend that he opposes any further regulation by this guy.

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Speaker 24: Well, look, I think what we can all agree is

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 24: that the ultimate solutions that we would like to see

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Speaker 24: is another entrant into the sufermarket space, which is to say,

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01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 24: what's the best way to disrupt the current geopoly. It

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 24: would be a third big player operating in the supermarket space.

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01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 24: And so I think I agree with David Seymour that

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 24: removing any regulatory barriers that are currently preventing that happening

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01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 24: is a sensible idea. So, for example, we know that

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 24: the Resource Management Act and the Overseas Investment Act could

1544
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 24: both pose regulatory barriers to a new entfront wanting to

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 24: enter the super market. So we need to think about

1546
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,839
Speaker 24: this from a range of angles. Competition law and policy

1547
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 24: is one angle, but the broader regulatory environment is another.

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Speaker 3: Why would a third big player ento a market that

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Speaker 3: has been tinkered with and crushed by a grocery commissioner?

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 24: Because if a third player thinks that it's a highly

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 24: profitable market, it certainly appears to be. They might think

1552
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 24: that they can innovate and compete effectively in that market

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 24: with something they might not otherwise have.

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Speaker 3: Which third big player is going to come into a

1555
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: market where we are talking like publicly about breaking up

1556
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 3: supermarkets that that's high risk stuff.

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 24: Well, I think what we want to see is competitive grocery.

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01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to see it to is is this

1559
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: heavy handed approach with regulation actually not counterproductive and actually

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: stopping a third big player coming in look.

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Speaker 24: Out of Actually, what you're saying, Heather, is that when

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 24: there's a duopoly in place, we should all just lead

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 24: them to do exactly what they want to do, because

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 24: if we threaten to enforce competition, then they might not

1565
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Speaker 24: like it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not arguing that. I'm just I'm looking

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 3: at what is happening and just wondering if that is

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 3: actually helpful or not.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think that it's perfectly reasonable to expect that

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 24: the major super market players should comply with the glory

1572
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 24: of its bands, should act in a competitive way, that

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 24: the grocery Commissioner should be able to use his powers

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 24: to enforce that. And ultimately, I don't think anyone wants

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 24: to see the grocery commissioner having to take more serious

1576
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 24: steps because the supermarkets haven't complied. The first test is

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 24: they should comply.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon by the time. Look, the thing is,

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't want it to continue the way it does, Right,

1580
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 3: but I want to see so I just don't want

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: it to get worse. Do you reckon that by the

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: time you guys have finished in government, we will actually

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01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 3: have cheaper groceries.

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 24: Well, the biggest driver there, as I've always said, is

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01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 24: the inflation rate, and we've got inflation coming back into

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 24: bands by the band poker. So we are not going

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01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 24: to see the extreme price increases at this says market checkout,

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Speaker 24: that we've seen.

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Speaker 6: In recent years.

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Speaker 3: You don't even sound confident.

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 24: I am confident we're not going to see the extreme

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01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 24: price increases that we've seen at this's market check out

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 24: in recent years.

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: Market our inflations come back, But are we actually going

1595
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 3: to see grocery prices come back marketly because you guys

1596
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: have solved the problem.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think it is important that we enforce pro

1598
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 24: competition measures in the grocery sector. I am concerned that

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Speaker 24: the duopoly we have had in place has not fostered

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Speaker 24: the kind of competitive prices for New Zealanders that we

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01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 24: would wish to see. And actually, when the OECD and

1602
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 24: others look at the New Zealand economy, they warn us

1603
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 24: that one of the risks of our small size and

1604
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 24: distance from markets, is that you can get these dominant

1605
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 24: players and what are really important consumer markets, and that

1606
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 24: it's incredibly important that we have good regulatory frameworks for

1607
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 24: enforcing market disciplines and competition. And that's the approach our

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 24: government just taking.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Simon Bridges reckons that the reason we're seeing liquidations up

1611
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 3: by close to twenty percent year on year is because

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Speaker 3: the IOD is forcing a lot of these businesses into liquidation.

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: They were they were taking a very kind of light

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: handed approach beforehand. Now that really tough on businesses. Do

1615
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 3: you know if this is what's going.

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 24: On, Well, obviously it's really sad when any business gets

1617
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 24: to the point of liquidation and bankruptcy and liquidation processes

1618
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 24: are an absolute vast resort, and they're about stopping businesses

1619
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 24: from further trading because that they are unable to meet

1620
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 24: their historic and current tax viabilities. And ultimately this is

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 24: about stopping insolvent businesses from trading trading. It is true

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01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 24: that during COVID, during this pandemic years, iov was not

1623
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 24: doing much of that proactive work and that that practice

1624
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 24: was in place, But actually the truth is now there

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 24: are sadly some businesses that are simply not viable and

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01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 24: are unable to meet the tax debts, and it's the

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,480
Speaker 24: right thing to do for the IID to enforce.

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Speaker 3: Those so because on his argument is is if they

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: just if this is the ID, if the IID just

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Speaker 3: gives these businesses a little bit of breathing space, maybe

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01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: through to twenty five they'll be able to pay it back.

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Speaker 3: You don't think so.

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Speaker 24: Well, Look, obviously the ID has to make those judgments

1634
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 24: because the ID ultimately wants to get the tax that

1635
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 24: it's owed. It also wants to see businesses being able

1636
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 24: to operate. But when they see a business that is

1637
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 24: actually trading while unviable, that isn't able to meet its

1638
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 24: historic tax debts, it's current tax debts, sometimes it does

1639
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 24: have to act because ultimately, the way the tax system

1640
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 24: works is that we're all expected to pay our tax

1641
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 24: in full, and no business can go on forever unable

1642
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 24: to do that.

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01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 3: Nicholas, that Cabinet circular that instructs agencies government agencies to

1644
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: allocate services based on need not race, Is that coming

1645
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: from you?

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01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 24: Yes, that will be. That's something that i I have

1647
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 24: been working on.

1648
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 3: And when is that going to come out?

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 24: Very shortly?

1650
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 6: Heather A.

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 24: Very well timed question from you.

1652
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh is it like well timed? Like it will be

1653
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: before the next time I talk to you.

1654
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 24: Well timed, that's right, Heather, very good work.

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 3: Oh look, thank you for that.

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 12: Jeez.

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Speaker 3: You know this is going to be a shock to

1658
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 3: health New Zealand. Do you realize that.

1659
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 24: Look, I think it's it's an important expression and we've

1660
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 24: worked hard on it and I think it'll be a

1661
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 24: good discipline for government agencies and we'll have more to

1662
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 24: say about it very.

1663
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 3: Soon, looking forward to it. Nicola, thank you very much

1664
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: as always, of your time. That's Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 3: You heard it here. First, the old cabinet cabinet circular,

1667
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 3: what is its cabinet circular that's going to come out

1668
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: and tell the agencies to buck up their ideas and

1669
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 3: stop treating people differently just because they fuck up up

1670
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Speaker 3: a different back to different places. That's coming out this week.

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Speaker 3: How about that sixteen past.

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Speaker 1: Six crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 1: the OL platform for SME on news talks.

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Speaker 3: Here they let Aldi open their stores here that's how

1676
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 3: you break the jewopoli. If you've been listening and following

1677
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 3: this debate, you'll know Aldi doesn't actually want to come here.

1678
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: We've asked. We've had two governments in a row now

1679
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 3: asking Aldi to come here. Justinda's government ask them, and

1680
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 3: now Andrew Bailey the other day was asking them as well,

1681
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 3: and they don't want to come here. And part of

1682
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: the reason why they may not want to come here

1683
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 3: might be because of this here that no one's going

1684
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 3: to come in when the government is interfering in the market.

1685
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: The best way is just to let the market determine

1686
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 3: it determined itself, and a new player might come in.

1687
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 3: We're not rush to China or North Korea. That's from mac.

1688
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 3: So the reason I was asking Nicola about whether we

1689
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 3: actually think that this is going to help the situation

1690
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: or not, it's because I was out dinner on Friday night,

1691
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 3: right to go, I went to a lecture. There's a

1692
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 3: kind of dinner I go to. Now we went to

1693
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 3: a lecture and I was sitting next to Peter. Peter

1694
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 3: doesn't work in supermarkets. Peter works in healthcare. But Peter

1695
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 3: did an economics degree back in the day and he said,

1696
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 3: He's pretty sure that the economics degree would have taught

1697
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 3: him that if you start to threaten regulation in a market,

1698
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 3: breaking up the retail wholesale side, forcing wholesale to sell

1699
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 3: at certain prices, which is what peavanhad and the grocery

1700
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 3: Commissioner is talking about. If that's what you're going to do,

1701
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 3: then who's going to want to come in because they're

1702
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 3: going to come in and they know they're going to

1703
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: be interfered with, and whatever profit they can make today

1704
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 3: is going to decrease as the government gets little fingers

1705
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 3: in there. And so his argument, Peter's argument was actually

1706
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 3: everything that the grocery Commissioner is doing right now is

1707
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 3: making our grocery sector worse and less likely to be

1708
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 3: competitive because it's not going to bring another competitor in,

1709
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 3: which actually, when you think about it, does make sense.

1710
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 3: So are we're potentially making the situation worse? It's twenty

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Speaker 3: past six. Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management is with me now. Hah, Shane, Hi,

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Speaker 3: how are you?

1713
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 4: Wow?

1714
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 3: Thank you Shane. Let's have aalo quick look at the

1715
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: US first, right, so we've got the interest rates for

1716
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: the government bonds and the markets falling on Friday. What happened?

1717
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 25: Yeah, Look, we had some weak non farm payroll data

1718
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 25: and the markets are jumping around a bit on economic

1719
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 25: data points. We're having good data bad data, and we

1720
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 25: decided this is bad data. And what we saw is

1721
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 25: this expectations of the US fit A reserve increasing its

1722
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 25: cuts or bringing forwards cuts. It's due to meat on

1723
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 25: the seventeenth week. Sorry, next week, I should say, to

1724
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 25: talk about this. And so the market's now based on

1725
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 25: this week economic day to drag forward expectations of cuts.

1726
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Speaker 25: And so we're actually seeing the two year government bond year,

1727
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Speaker 25: which is an important bench mark, down at three sixty

1728
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 25: five three point sixty five versus five point two percent

1729
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 25: back in October twenty three.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, we.

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Speaker 25: Also had Broadcom, which is one of the big semiconductor

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Speaker 25: chip bakers, come out with a weak number on Friday,

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Speaker 25: and that saw the US SHAR market come off of

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Speaker 25: it down one point seven percent, still up only thirteen

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Speaker 25: percent for the year, so you maybe a little bit

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Speaker 25: of a healthy correction rather than outdown. But that's certainly

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 25: caused a bit of a bit of vild tidy.

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Speaker 3: And so did did this this weakness? I suppose impact

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Speaker 3: the local markets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's a good point.

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01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 25: Local interest rates pretty stable and we actually saw the

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Speaker 25: New Zealand shear market up slightly. In you know, we

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 25: don't have these big cyplical semiconduct for CEE company is

1744
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 25: like infratl for shrimp up with health gear, contact energy,

1745
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 25: gin track walk on airport. They actually we all up

1746
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 25: and boosted the ZL market for till that share price

1747
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 25: continues to go strength to strength in certainly where it's

1748
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 25: all about data centers, it's all about being included in

1749
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 25: Australian shear market indebs.

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01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: Hey, so what are you looking for this week that

1751
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 3: you would think might influence the markets?

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01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 25: A big week for polities in the US. Of course,

1753
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 25: we've got the Tuesday, the Trump Harris presidential debate. Now

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 25: that could just be it's an important catalyst. So obviously

1755
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 25: they're running pretty nick and neck at the moment and

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01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,520
Speaker 25: capital markets are just looking for any sort of surprise

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01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 25: policy change. Do you think that perhaps they haven't drawn

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,839
Speaker 25: out earlier? And then on Thursday we had the European

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 25: Central Bank it is expected to cut interest rates, joining

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Speaker 25: this central bank club of neutralizing rates to take pressure

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Speaker 25: of the economy. Certainly everybody's looking at the slowing rate

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01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 25: of economic growth and saying those rates settings too tight.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Shane, are you going to watch the debate?

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01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 4: Are you?

1765
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 3: Are you going to be an absolute sucker for this politics.

1766
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a tragic on this stuff. You

1767
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 4: know it was there was a great.

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01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 25: Howard Marx commenting the weekend about somebody's going to win

1769
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 25: on this and I'm not sure even going to be great.

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01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 25: And it's just sort of like we've got to be

1771
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 25: aware of what these policy changes can be off back,

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01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 25: but let's just hope they can all at least be civilized.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's much less fun, Shane, Thank you very much.

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01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Shane, Solly Harbor asset management. I'm going

1775
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 3: to be like him. I'm going to be an absolute tragic.

1776
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: I can't wait for it because I feel like we

1777
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 3: know the measure of Trump. I hardly feel it as

1778
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: if he's going to surprise us. This is just us

1779
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: having another look at Karmela, isn't it. Remember the interview

1780
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,919
Speaker 3: on CNN. We'll only have got kind of Karmela tragics

1781
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 3: and politics watch of Tragics in But now it might

1782
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: expand to a bigger audience because you've got the Trump

1783
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: fans coming in as well. Could be far more fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Six twenty three.

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Speaker 6: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplic and My HR the

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Speaker 1: HR Solution for busy s Emmy on News Talk zb

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Speaker 1: oh Man, I have.

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Speaker 3: Got a twist of the Raygawn story. If you guess

1790
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 3: who just got in as number one breakdancer for the

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: ladies in the whole world. Yes, Raygun hay Gun is

1792
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: the number one break lady. The World Dance Sport Federation

1793
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 3: has just released the latest rankings. She's number one, and

1794
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: it appears she's number one. She's got a thousand points

1795
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: which she earned for winning the World Dance Sport Federation

1796
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: Oceania Championship. This is the one that she wanted to

1797
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 3: get to the Olympics. What this tells you because I'm

1798
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 3: clearly she's not the best breakdancer the world is she?

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01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: I mean, she just like flubbed at the Olympics horribly.

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01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 3: What this tells you is breakdancing as a joke. And

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01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 3: if they can't even sort this nonsense ound, it's quite

1802
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 3: right that they should have been rejected from going to

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 3: Los Angeles at the Olympics there, and I just think

1804
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 3: the people in LA for once have made a very

1805
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 3: good call. Heather. You need to go to the Avenue Motel.

1806
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 3: It's older, but it's lovely and clean and Netflix great price. Well, jeez,

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01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 3: if Net and Netflix okay twenty twenty four cool, I

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01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 3: would expect most places would have and ney Flex wouldn't it.

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01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 3: But anyway, Ben, I appreciate that stay at the Quest

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01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 3: in Palmerston, North. I and this number of texts saying

1811
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 3: that did the Quest did look nice? Because the Quest

1812
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 3: is a new hotel, It's the newest hotel in public.

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01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 3: I've done my research. By the way, I know too

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01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: much about accommodation in Paston North. I'll tell you that

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01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: the Quest is the newest hotel in Pariston North. But

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01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: the Quest, unfortunately, on this particular day, is charging about

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01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 3: seven hundred dollars for a hotel room. Yes, yes, did

1818
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 3: you hear that? Seven hundred dollars for a hotel room

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 3: in Parmeston North. I don't know how do you feel

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01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: about paying that? Me neither. At this stage I'm thinking

1821
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 3: about flying into Wellington staying there, just sending the husband

1822
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,839
Speaker 3: up to the wedding, being like, go as our envoy,

1823
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 3: tell them where stranded and we'll just stayed at Nice.

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01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: So tell in Wellington what do you think? Anyway, let's

1825
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: talk next to the very Reverend J Rooker, who's the

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Speaker 3: dean of the Taranaky Cathedral who signed that letter.

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 6: Crouching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duple Cy Ellen with the business than this

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Speaker 1: hour thanks to my HR the HR solution for busy

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Speaker 1: smys on news Talks ebb.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 3: Because of the situation with the tariffs on the electric

1833
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 3: vehicles from China over in the EU, there is another

1834
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 3: Chinese car maker that is basically going to set up

1835
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: a factory in the EU to try and get around it.

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 3: It seems to be that it will help them get

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01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: around it. Whether it will or not, I'm not entirely sure.

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01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 3: So we can talk to Gavin Gray about it when

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01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 3: he's with us. In ten minutes time, gees am, I

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01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 3: getting suggestions for how to find some accommodation in Parmeston North.

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01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 3: Hither it's Parmeston North for God's sake, Fake an injury

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01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 3: and spend the night in the hospital in a different

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: city instead Nick, I hope that you're from Parmeston North,

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01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 3: Otherwise Parmiston North might be upset about that. Actually, hither

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 3: the Junior Barracks out at Lindon Camp would be a

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 3: good option for you. If nothing else, you'll hear some

1847
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 3: good stories. Actually for the yarms by themselves. It might

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01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 3: be a whole lot better than just being in a

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: room with a two and a half year old by myself,

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01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 3: twenty four away.

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01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 2: From seven Heather du for see Allen So.

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01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 3: More than four hundred Christian organizations have written an open

1853
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 3: letter to the government asking the government to stop the

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: Treaty Principal's Bill going to Select Committee. These include the

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Speaker 3: most senior leaders of the Catholic, the Anglican, the Methodist,

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01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 3: the Salvation Army and the Vineyard denominations. Taranaki Cathedral's very

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01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 3: Reverend Jay Ruka was one of the signatories. He's with

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01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: us now, hey j.

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01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 4: He how are you?

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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1861
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 4: Good?

1862
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 3: Thank you mate. Why do you want to stop it

1863
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: going to select committee?

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01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 7: Because it's it has a false premise, It has the

1865
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 7: wrong premise, So the premise of it is off. So

1866
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 7: why would you take something that's off to a robust discussion.

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01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, off ideas go to Select committee all

1868
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 3: the time and then we have a chat about it

1869
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 3: and then we decide if we want to do it

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Speaker 3: or not.

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 7: Maybe but not over foundational documents. So I just think

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01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 7: it's unwise that such a proposal should be put forth

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01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 7: in that forum. By all means, let's talk aboutity or

1874
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 7: white tonguey and even at that forum, but let's compare

1875
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 7: apples with apples.

1876
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 3: So what's off about it?

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01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 7: The idea that, as far as what has been presented

1878
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 7: to the public of altern on his zone already, is

1879
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 7: that you can take notions of what the treaty says

1880
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 7: and what it meant by Tea or Uncle Teta Tonguel

1881
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden say that that idea

1882
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 7: is for everybody. That's just not what the contract says.

1883
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 7: So why would you try and reframe and reinterpret a

1884
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 7: contract that doesn't actually say what it says.

1885
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 3: That's what do you mean by that?

1886
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 7: The Article two of tidity says that as ungle Teta Tonguel,

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01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 7: we retain our teen or dungle Teta tonge right as

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 7: as leaders of Hapu and EWI. So what that is

1889
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 7: saying is that the document is saying that mildily like,

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01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 7: not all leaders are Malori leaders in this document retain

1891
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 7: the leadership and the chieftainship over their lands, their treasures,

1892
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 7: their toll, et cetera, et cetera.

1893
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 4: So then to go ahead and then.

1894
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 7: Say that, oh, everybody has the manner over their land.

1895
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 4: And their treasures and their tonger.

1896
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 7: While that is true, that's also not what tatidity says.

1897
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 7: The titidity that does not say that everyone has this.

1898
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 7: Tatidity says that of Nahabu Naiwi have have this. So

1899
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 7: it would be like saying that, oh, I signed a

1900
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 7: contract for a house, and how on as an owner

1901
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 7: of a house, the owners of house should be a

1902
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 7: human right for everybody. Therefore, as the crown, we think

1903
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 7: that everyone should now own your house.

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Speaker 3: Well, is it not the same as saying, okayj you've

1905
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 3: bought a house and you've signed it, and we now

1906
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 3: recognize your property right in your house, and we also

1907
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: recognize everybody else's property right in their own houses. What's

1908
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 3: the problem.

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01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 7: That's and that's that that's a true statement, but that's

1910
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 7: not what the contract that says. Okay, but why so,

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Speaker 7: how do you how do you how do you how

1912
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 7: do you honor.

1913
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 4: Essentially, how do you get the contract?

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Speaker 3: Explain to me what's wrong with with what he says

1915
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 3: he's going to do in it? Right, So he says,

1916
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 3: an article two, he will recognize that the New Zealand

1917
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: Government recognizes the New Zealand Government will recognize the of

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Speaker 3: the Hpoo and the Ewi over the TNGA right. So

1919
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 3: exactly what you want, but also everybody else, everybody else's

1920
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Speaker 3: property rights will be recognized.

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Speaker 7: To what's the problem with that?

1922
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,480
Speaker 4: But that's a gifven that reappens.

1923
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: So then what's problem?

1924
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 4: The problem is that the of Ewei and Hapu Maori

1925
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 4: has no recognized.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't understand. I mean I can sort of.

1927
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 3: It feels a little bit like what you're arguing is

1928
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: that it has to be left in its truest form,

1929
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Speaker 3: just recognizing the very very specific things in the treaty. Yes,

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Speaker 3: is that what you're arguing.

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Speaker 4: That's what a contract says.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, then explain to me, j how we have

1933
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: spent the last fifty years developing principles which are not

1934
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Speaker 3: literal interpretations of the treaty, but us developing on the treaty.

1935
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Speaker 3: If what you want is a totally literal interpretation of

1936
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Speaker 3: the treaty. Then you have to be arguing with me

1937
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Speaker 3: you want to get rid of all the principles you cool.

1938
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 7: With that you want to get rid of Why would

1939
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 7: you want to get rid of.

1940
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 3: Because if you're arguing, which you are with me, that

1941
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 3: we have to look at a literal interpretation of the

1942
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 3: treaty and nothing else on top of that, then you

1943
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 3: are arguing with me that all principles have to be

1944
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Speaker 3: removed as well, because they're not literal interpretations.

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Speaker 4: They are they are they the kind of are actually no?

1946
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Speaker 3: They like actually well, because for example, one of the

1947
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Speaker 3: big principles out of the treaty is that is the

1948
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Speaker 3: principle of partnership. Yeah, go through the treaty, find me

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Speaker 3: the word partnership.

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Speaker 7: Well that's a silly that's a silly argument because who's

1951
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Speaker 7: the contract between?

1952
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, But this is what I'm trying to.

1953
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Speaker 4: Say, contract, Who's who's the contract between?

1954
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Speaker 7: It's between between the Queen of it's between the Queen

1955
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Speaker 7: of England, and it's between that.

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Speaker 3: Ta okay, cool, So you accept, you accept that the

1957
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Speaker 3: principles are okay.

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Speaker 7: As as what the white thing you tribe, your new

1959
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Speaker 7: because was.

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Speaker 3: Doing main is some more principles. So what's the problem

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Speaker 3: with it? If you think principles are cool, then why

1962
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Speaker 3: can't we have more principles and have these ones too?

1963
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Speaker 4: We can't.

1964
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Speaker 7: We you know what, we should have more principles, but

1965
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Speaker 7: those principles should be based on what is being said

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Speaker 7: in the context.

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Speaker 3: Of when it was none of the principles mean, none

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Speaker 3: of the principles are based on what's said in there, right,

1969
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Speaker 3: So what we want is we want Jay's principles, but

1970
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Speaker 3: not the other principles that Jay doesn't like.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, those principles that very very very smart people, many

1972
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Speaker 7: many lawyers, over many many decades have looked at those

1973
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Speaker 7: principles are in there because they are in the context.

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Speaker 7: They are in the context of like an agreement, like

1975
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Speaker 7: I don't know if you're I don't know if you

1976
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 7: have a marriage partner. But it's it's like you you

1977
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 7: know people or people who are married, most of them

1978
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 7: have wedding rings. The marriage is not the wedding ring.

1979
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Speaker 7: The marriage is that the ring is a symbol of

1980
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Speaker 7: the relationship and of the partnership.

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Speaker 4: Right, So.

1982
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Speaker 7: In essence, tatidity and what it says you've got to

1983
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Speaker 7: look at the whole entire context of how this document

1984
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 7: came about, why did it come about, and looking at

1985
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Speaker 7: from the what was the British government doing at the

1986
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Speaker 7: same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, listen, so do you do you are you

1988
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Speaker 3: chill with David Seymour's amendments to Article two in cabinet today.

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear what I didn't see what they were.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, well maybe that'll change you mine. Thank you, Jay,

1991
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time. That is the very river

1992
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Speaker 3: in Jayrika, the Dean of Taranaki's Cathedral, sixteen away from seven.

1993
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with hither duple c Allen and

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Speaker 1: my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs U stalks

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Speaker 1: it b.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us? Now, Heykevin, I

1998
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 3: there have even what's going on with the children's hospital?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, deeply worrying. The internationally famous Great Almond Street Hospital

2000
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Speaker 26: is conducting an urgent review in the cases of more

2001
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Speaker 26: than seven hundred patients. Now, as I said, it's internationally

2002
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Speaker 26: famous for its work in treating very, very sick children.

2003
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Speaker 26: But at the moment. These seven hundred patients that they're

2004
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Speaker 26: looking at all children that have come under the care

2005
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 26: of a consultant orthopedic surgeon called Yasa Jabbar. Now he's

2006
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 26: not working in the UK at the moment. He's working

2007
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 26: its thought in Dubai. But for a number of years

2008
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 26: he was working at Great Ormond Street Hospital and it's

2009
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 26: alleged there that he conducted inappropriate operations on children but

2010
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 26: also carried them out poorly. Those are the allegations. He

2011
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 26: so far has not made any comment about this, isn't

2012
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 26: contacting journalists responding to their cause, though he is due

2013
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 26: to speak at a major conference in the Middle East

2014
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Speaker 26: quite soon, so it'll be interesting to see if he

2015
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Speaker 26: actually appears. So so far, they've looked at thirty nine

2016
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Speaker 26: cases and they've said twenty two children had come to

2017
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Speaker 26: some degree of harm.

2018
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Speaker 3: What does that mean.

2019
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Speaker 26: Well, in some instances children have had nerve and muscle

2020
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Speaker 26: damage and according to a medical negligence solicitor, one has

2021
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 26: had to undergo an amputation of his lower limb. They

2022
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 26: say they have clients with permanent deformities and those who

2023
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 26: have undergone unnecessary operations. In fact, they didn't even need

2024
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 26: the operation. That was later conducted, so very very concerning allegations.

2025
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Speaker 26: Of course, Great Ormond Street Hospital relies heavily on donations

2026
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 26: as well.

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Speaker 6: So this is very very serious haunt.

2028
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Speaker 3: Hey, how do you pronounce this Chinese car giant's name.

2029
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Speaker 26: Yeah, So Sherry is the name of the kiny Chinese.

2030
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Speaker 26: It looks like Cherry, doesn't it. But apparently Sherry is

2031
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 26: looking at investing in the UK now. It is already

2032
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 26: preparing to build cars in Spain, and its boss says

2033
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 26: it's looking to take a localized approach to the European

2034
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 26: market and said it was a matter of time before

2035
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 26: the company made a final decision on the UK. Now,

2036
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 26: the company's exports are said by critics to benefit from

2037
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 26: unfair subsidies. As you know this huge alligation that Chinese

2038
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Speaker 26: government and the Chinese state is propping up its car

2039
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Speaker 26: industry to flog its cars abroad for much cheaper and

2040
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 26: undercutting those of other brands. But Sherry was set up

2041
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,759
Speaker 26: in nineteen ninety seven. It's one of China's largest car companies,

2042
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 26: already the biggest exporter of vehicles from China, but it

2043
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 26: has very ambitious to plans to go further. The problem

2044
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 26: of course is it is that much of the electric

2045
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 26: cars from China are now under huge, huge tariffs from

2046
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 26: the EU and US. But if you build them in

2047
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 26: the EU, you build them in the UK, then you

2048
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 26: can escape from much of those tariffs. So that's possibly

2049
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 26: why they're looking at the UK.

2050
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Speaker 3: So not all of them, given just some of the tariffs,

2051
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't they wouldn't be penned with.

2052
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Speaker 26: My understanding is if it's made in the UK, it's

2053
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 26: made in the EU and sold within the EU, and

2054
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 26: most of the car parts are manufacturing in the EU.

2055
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 26: I told you it was complicated, then they would escape

2056
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Speaker 26: all of those But if they import a lot of

2057
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 26: car parks and then build them, it's slightly different.

2058
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Speaker 3: I see. Okay, thank you for explaining that. Now listen,

2059
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 3: what are we doing. Why have we got great white

2060
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 3: sharks in Ireland and Britain.

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Speaker 26: Well we think we have, but we don't know, and

2062
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 26: that's why a big survey is being conducted by a

2063
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 26: US nonprofit research organization. We do know that there are

2064
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 26: a small endangered population of great white sharks and they

2065
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 26: are off the Bay of Biscay and off in the

2066
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 26: Mediterranean as well, it is believed. But these are endangered,

2067
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 26: and they are being encouraged by some who think this

2068
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 26: is a great environmental thing. I'm not quite so confident myself,

2069
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 26: but the question is have they come up as far

2070
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 26: as Britain and Ireland. Well fishermen are reporting seeing great

2071
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 26: white sharks in the waters of Britain and Ireland, and

2072
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 26: it's interesting Ireland already hosts forty different shark species like

2073
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 26: the basking shark, Paul beagle shark. But yeah, the fishermen

2074
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 26: off Galway in particular reporting that they have seen the

2075
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 26: sighting of a deadly great white shark. Sadly, for those

2076
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 26: that want this to happen, online sleuths discovered that a

2077
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 26: video that had been posted was in fact actually shot

2078
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 26: in Australia and not off the coast of Ireland. But

2079
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 26: around one hundred UK great white sightings were investigated, who

2080
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 26: found that a dozen remained credible. So that's what they're

2081
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 26: looking at to see if they've made their way this

2082
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 26: far north.

2083
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 4: Ah.

2084
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, Kevin, appreciate it. Gevin Gray are UK corresponding? Hey,

2085
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 3: some good news out of Wellington. Finally, it appears Wellington

2086
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: City Council as going to priss pause on a cycle

2087
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 3: where that they were going to build in wades Down.

2088
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: The good news is so it comes with a caveat.

2089
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 3: The good news is the thing has been paused, thank god,

2090
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 3: because the consultant costs alone going to be four hundred

2091
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: and seventy two thousand dollars. The bad news is they

2092
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 3: won't say whether they've already paid that money. That's Wellington

2093
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 3: eight away from seven, whether.

2094
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: It's macro MicroB or just plain economics. It's all on

2095
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

2096
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme ustalksp.

2097
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 3: Heather OMG. The interview with Jay Ruka was like pulling

2098
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,839
Speaker 3: teeth Heather, is this reverend able to name another contract

2099
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 3: from eighteen forty that hasn't been updated Hither? If it's

2100
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 3: a literal interpretation of the eighteen forty treaty, where did

2101
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 3: a share of the cell phone spectrum come from?

2102
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 5: Hither?

2103
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for him to say, you know, it's

2104
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 3: the vibe Heither, don't go to Palmi, stay home. You

2105
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 3: city people are so over the top. That's true that

2106
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 3: I think Henry, you've nailed it. Hey, I'll tell you

2107
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 3: what I am getting a little bit I am getting

2108
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 3: a little frustrated with on this particular debate. This is

2109
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 3: the treaty Principal's debate is that this is so important

2110
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 3: to the country, it's so important that we do this right,

2111
01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 3: and then we do this with I guess with with

2112
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 3: with kid gloves, is that the right way to you

2113
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm trying to say, Like, I think you

2114
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,839
Speaker 3: have to do it. You have to be really respectful

2115
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 3: and careful about how you do it. But I think

2116
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 3: what's missing is that we've got a lot of people

2117
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 3: who are coming out opposing it, who seem to have

2118
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,560
Speaker 3: a very limited understanding of what they're talking about, like

2119
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 3: a limited understanding of what they're arguing. And I'm finding

2120
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: that very difficult and challenging. So hopefully the next one

2121
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 3: is just a bit you know better. Yeah, anyway, Karmala Harris, listen,

2122
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 3: it appears that people don't know Karmala Harris is. This

2123
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,799
Speaker 3: seems to be one of their problems. So she's decided

2124
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 3: to do the thing and tell them, tell her all

2125
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 3: about themselves, tell them all about herself. Do you know

2126
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that, do get to know me?

2127
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 3: Thing about Karmla. This is the latest. This is what

2128
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 3: you need to know. Her favorite snack is nacho cheese Dorito's.

2129
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 3: Her favorite cake is caramel. I know this is I

2130
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 3: know how lame is this, but this is what people

2131
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: are into. She likes to wash her collared greens in

2132
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 3: the bathtub. I had to google what that is. This

2133
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 3: like loose leaf cabbage. I mean, do you not have

2134
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 3: a sync that's big enough for your cabbage? Most people do.

2135
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 3: She was in a band when she was young. She

2136
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 3: played french horn, the xylophone, and kettle drums. So very relatable,

2137
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 3: and also has worked at McDonald's, which, to be fair,

2138
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 3: is about the most relatable thing about it, because who hasn't.

2139
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 20: I cannot see how someone would like the nacho cheese

2140
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 20: flavor over the sweet Tai chili when it comes to Dorito's. Personally, yes, yeah,

2141
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 20: a different structure of different folks. So I guess closing

2142
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 20: time by Semi Sonic to play us out tonight, since,

2143
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 20: as we've established on the show today, Auckland's closing time

2144
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 20: when it comes to restaurants is far earlier than it

2145
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 20: should be. And I certainly hope that when you sort

2146
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 20: out your accommodation in Parmeston, North that you can find

2147
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 20: some with for dinner before the whole town chapel.

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01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 3: Now, oh my gosh, so that'd shutdown at sixe.

2149
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Speaker 20: Well, this is the thing that's the survey doesn't seem

2150
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 20: to have looked at any other New Zealand cities, and

2151
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 20: perhaps with the exception of Wellington, I really wonder if

2152
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 20: it might be even earlier in other parts of the country.

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01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 3: All the people I know you would be the person

2154
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Speaker 3: who'd been most affected by early closing times.

2155
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 20: I have such fond memories during Union post UNI of

2156
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Speaker 20: going to the Momo Tea house in burn can hit

2157
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Speaker 20: it like.

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Speaker 2: One am for dinner.

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Speaker 20: It was just lovely used to really enjoy it when

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