1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,773 --> 00:00:17,813 Speaker 2: Hell are you great, New Zealanders? 4 00:00:17,813 --> 00:00:21,532 Speaker 3: And welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast 5 00:00:21,733 --> 00:00:25,412 Speaker 3: number sixty one. It is the Tuesday. It is the 6 00:00:25,533 --> 00:00:30,932 Speaker 3: fourth of February. It is that Tuesday, fourth of February five. 7 00:00:31,373 --> 00:00:36,253 Speaker 3: Great show today went deep into a bunch of really 8 00:00:36,253 --> 00:00:39,733 Speaker 3: interesting stories around something that I've forgotten what we're talking about. 9 00:00:39,813 --> 00:00:43,492 Speaker 4: Some look it was something that is israel An. Oh yeah, 10 00:00:43,693 --> 00:00:44,612 Speaker 4: right to the table yep, yep. 11 00:00:44,693 --> 00:00:48,212 Speaker 3: Yeah, we went eep into the coward Punch conversation. There 12 00:00:48,253 --> 00:00:51,412 Speaker 3: was some really good stuff there, quite shocking stuff, so 13 00:00:51,533 --> 00:00:54,892 Speaker 3: I yeah, quite eye opening stuff around violence in our 14 00:00:54,933 --> 00:00:55,693 Speaker 3: society yep. 15 00:00:55,733 --> 00:00:57,813 Speaker 4: And then a deep dive into sickies. 16 00:00:58,013 --> 00:01:01,932 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we go sicky hard and I start the 17 00:01:01,973 --> 00:01:05,333 Speaker 3: new campaign step up and be a powerful Kiwi and 18 00:01:05,453 --> 00:01:06,453 Speaker 3: celebrate being healthy. 19 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:08,173 Speaker 4: Got a lot of people on board. Yeah, you wrapped 20 00:01:08,213 --> 00:01:10,333 Speaker 4: up New Zealand with that out there. 21 00:01:10,533 --> 00:01:14,133 Speaker 3: Anyway, Have you enjoyed the podcast? To set to download, follow, 22 00:01:14,212 --> 00:01:17,893 Speaker 3: subscribe all those good things and give a taste Kiwi. 23 00:01:18,853 --> 00:01:22,533 Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams 24 00:01:22,572 --> 00:01:25,973 Speaker 1: Afternoon with the Volvo X ninety News dog ZMB. 25 00:01:27,173 --> 00:01:30,292 Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Hope you're doing well on this Tuesday. We 26 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:31,693 Speaker 4: certainly aren't, okay, map. 27 00:01:31,652 --> 00:01:32,933 Speaker 2: Get A Tylers. 28 00:01:33,173 --> 00:01:34,693 Speaker 3: So later on the show we're going to talk about 29 00:01:34,693 --> 00:01:37,292 Speaker 3: ale lice after an article we read in the Herald 30 00:01:37,373 --> 00:01:40,613 Speaker 3: about people on planes that jump up as soon as 31 00:01:40,613 --> 00:01:42,693 Speaker 3: your land and stand in the aisle. 32 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:45,213 Speaker 4: Does my hidden but we're gonna take it a bit 33 00:01:45,253 --> 00:01:48,293 Speaker 4: broader than that. The what is the etiquette when you're 34 00:01:48,413 --> 00:01:52,053 Speaker 4: in an aircraft, whether it's landing, taking off, being in 35 00:01:52,133 --> 00:01:54,013 Speaker 4: mid flight. There's a lot of things that wine. 36 00:01:54,013 --> 00:01:55,133 Speaker 2: People are reclining. 37 00:01:55,373 --> 00:01:56,733 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're big on reclining. 38 00:01:56,893 --> 00:01:59,053 Speaker 3: I'm antie reclining. I think you've got to be very 39 00:01:59,093 --> 00:02:01,013 Speaker 3: careful when you recline in someone's face. You've got to 40 00:02:01,053 --> 00:02:05,533 Speaker 3: do it with utmost, utmost respect for the person behind you, 41 00:02:05,653 --> 00:02:09,573 Speaker 3: and never ever recline during meal service. That happened to 42 00:02:09,613 --> 00:02:13,333 Speaker 3: me on a flight back from Dubai last year. This 43 00:02:13,373 --> 00:02:16,733 Speaker 3: woman reclined right into my meal. Arrogant and yeah that 44 00:02:16,813 --> 00:02:19,493 Speaker 3: started some serious arjibarji. I thought I was going to 45 00:02:19,613 --> 00:02:21,653 Speaker 3: end up on TikTok with the dispute with him out 46 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:22,373 Speaker 3: she was yelling at me. 47 00:02:22,532 --> 00:02:24,572 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to that story. But there's a discussion 48 00:02:24,613 --> 00:02:27,653 Speaker 4: after three o'clock, after two o'clock, pulling a sicky in 49 00:02:27,733 --> 00:02:30,252 Speaker 4: the workplace when you're not actually that sick. Yeah. 50 00:02:30,293 --> 00:02:33,012 Speaker 3: So you know you're allowed ten ten days a year. 51 00:02:33,373 --> 00:02:36,172 Speaker 3: Do you see that as your right to take those 52 00:02:36,213 --> 00:02:38,293 Speaker 3: ten even if you're not sick? 53 00:02:38,373 --> 00:02:38,972 Speaker 2: Ten days? 54 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:43,533 Speaker 3: Do you take hungover sick days? Do you take mental 55 00:02:43,532 --> 00:02:45,893 Speaker 3: health days? And is it better to just if you're 56 00:02:45,933 --> 00:02:48,733 Speaker 3: not feeling well around in mental health day? Is it 57 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:51,493 Speaker 3: better to go into work and do something productive then 58 00:02:51,573 --> 00:02:54,053 Speaker 3: stew in your own juices? But yeah, I think a 59 00:02:54,053 --> 00:02:56,933 Speaker 3: lot of people take those ten days as part of 60 00:02:56,972 --> 00:02:59,413 Speaker 3: their part of their allocated holidays. 61 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:01,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, which is it? You know when it caps out 62 00:03:01,933 --> 00:03:04,532 Speaker 4: at twenty days, that's a whole month off. That's a 63 00:03:04,653 --> 00:03:06,333 Speaker 4: massive course to the business. 64 00:03:07,173 --> 00:03:10,293 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I mean I don't think of it. Well, 65 00:03:10,333 --> 00:03:13,373 Speaker 3: I don't really take sick days. I haven't really even 66 00:03:13,573 --> 00:03:16,493 Speaker 3: I don't really get sicked that often. But also I 67 00:03:16,532 --> 00:03:18,773 Speaker 3: love my job, which is a very different thing exactly. 68 00:03:18,773 --> 00:03:20,333 Speaker 3: And plus live radio, I mean we're in a slightly 69 00:03:20,333 --> 00:03:22,973 Speaker 3: different situation. It's quite obvious when one of us isn't here. 70 00:03:23,173 --> 00:03:26,333 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I can guarantee you I've got my full 71 00:03:26,333 --> 00:03:28,173 Speaker 4: twenty days ready to go, just because I don't take 72 00:03:28,213 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 4: sick days. Yeah, and that will stay at twenty days 73 00:03:30,532 --> 00:03:31,293 Speaker 4: and I'll never take them. 74 00:03:31,413 --> 00:03:32,412 Speaker 2: Yeah, you will never take them. 75 00:03:32,573 --> 00:03:32,813 Speaker 5: Wow. 76 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:35,733 Speaker 4: Well, maybe maybe I spoke too soon there, Yeah I might. 77 00:03:37,693 --> 00:03:40,373 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm kind of poison into your house 78 00:03:40,373 --> 00:03:41,213 Speaker 2: to try and taste there. 79 00:03:41,973 --> 00:03:44,333 Speaker 4: That is after two o'clock though, because right now this 80 00:03:44,453 --> 00:03:48,133 Speaker 4: is a big story. Uf Israel Adisanya. He's throwing his 81 00:03:48,173 --> 00:03:52,693 Speaker 4: support behind the bill to criminalize coward punches. Here's a 82 00:03:52,773 --> 00:03:55,013 Speaker 4: little bit of what he had to saund So. 83 00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:59,933 Speaker 6: This Israel your hair and even though I'm fighting on 84 00:03:59,973 --> 00:04:03,053 Speaker 6: the other side of the globe, are following brothers and 85 00:04:03,173 --> 00:04:07,133 Speaker 6: file Vak are never far from my thoughts. So this 86 00:04:07,293 --> 00:04:10,453 Speaker 6: bill has now been brought up in Parliament when it 87 00:04:10,493 --> 00:04:15,253 Speaker 6: comes to the coward punch, and yes it's a cowardly act. 88 00:04:15,653 --> 00:04:18,573 Speaker 6: I need you guys, it's really rally up and support 89 00:04:18,613 --> 00:04:21,493 Speaker 6: this bill. We need to make the punishment fit the 90 00:04:21,533 --> 00:04:23,573 Speaker 6: crime when it comes to the coward punch. 91 00:04:23,653 --> 00:04:25,293 Speaker 2: So these guys can get off. 92 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:29,173 Speaker 6: In six months after committing a heinous crime that can 93 00:04:29,253 --> 00:04:34,133 Speaker 6: kill someone. Yeah, let's eliminate this from our culture. 94 00:04:34,493 --> 00:04:35,733 Speaker 2: Let's eliminate this from. 95 00:04:35,573 --> 00:04:38,733 Speaker 6: Our streets, because this is not us. So please, when 96 00:04:38,733 --> 00:04:41,013 Speaker 6: this bill comes up, make sure you rally up and 97 00:04:41,053 --> 00:04:41,813 Speaker 6: support this bill. 98 00:04:42,373 --> 00:04:45,893 Speaker 4: So that was UFC Star Israel at Assaigna. Of course. 99 00:04:45,933 --> 00:04:48,573 Speaker 4: Now the bill has been introduced to Parliament and the 100 00:04:48,693 --> 00:04:52,533 Speaker 4: MP that introduced it is National's Newland MP Paulo Garcia, 101 00:04:52,573 --> 00:04:54,973 Speaker 4: who joins us now, good afternoon, Paulo. 102 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:58,693 Speaker 5: Hello, Tyler and man, how. 103 00:04:58,573 --> 00:04:59,653 Speaker 2: Are you today? 104 00:04:59,693 --> 00:05:03,613 Speaker 3: And why does this need to be a specific a 105 00:05:03,773 --> 00:05:06,053 Speaker 3: specific criminal offense the coward punch? 106 00:05:08,373 --> 00:05:10,893 Speaker 5: You know, everything in the Crimes Act that has to 107 00:05:10,893 --> 00:05:19,173 Speaker 5: do with hurting someone requires the proof of intent. And 108 00:05:20,173 --> 00:05:27,493 Speaker 5: in the situation where someone it's someone you know with 109 00:05:27,613 --> 00:05:31,693 Speaker 5: a strong strike and you know, wanting to put him 110 00:05:31,733 --> 00:05:34,933 Speaker 5: down or at the spur of a moment of the moment, 111 00:05:35,493 --> 00:05:41,373 Speaker 5: then finding intent and proving intent is a difficult thing. 112 00:05:41,613 --> 00:05:47,013 Speaker 5: So because of it's you know, it's happening a lot now, 113 00:05:47,773 --> 00:05:50,173 Speaker 5: it's been happening over the past ten years or more, 114 00:05:51,253 --> 00:05:56,493 Speaker 5: and things like what Israel was saying, we need to 115 00:05:56,533 --> 00:05:58,333 Speaker 5: put us up to it. 116 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:02,653 Speaker 4: It was introduced a similar bill to yours Paulo, introduced 117 00:06:02,653 --> 00:06:05,493 Speaker 4: by former National MP Met King. I believe about three 118 00:06:05,613 --> 00:06:07,653 Speaker 4: or four years ago. It didn't pass at that time. 119 00:06:07,693 --> 00:06:09,653 Speaker 4: Have you got four confidence it is going to pass 120 00:06:09,693 --> 00:06:11,653 Speaker 4: this time? And if you do, why do you think 121 00:06:12,053 --> 00:06:12,653 Speaker 4: it's different? 122 00:06:14,733 --> 00:06:18,253 Speaker 5: You know that's correct. Matt King was the first National 123 00:06:18,373 --> 00:06:21,413 Speaker 5: MP who put this out. It's being passed on to 124 00:06:21,493 --> 00:06:24,173 Speaker 5: other MPs, and and when it was picked it was 125 00:06:24,213 --> 00:06:29,213 Speaker 5: in my name already. I think that the issues race 126 00:06:29,813 --> 00:06:32,893 Speaker 5: in the time in the first reading during Matt's time, 127 00:06:34,973 --> 00:06:41,853 Speaker 5: we're we're we're aware of them, and we've simplified the 128 00:06:42,013 --> 00:06:49,733 Speaker 5: bill as well. So I am hoping that more people, 129 00:06:50,133 --> 00:06:55,333 Speaker 5: more more MPs will accross the House actually see see 130 00:06:55,533 --> 00:06:56,653 Speaker 5: to getting this through. 131 00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,413 Speaker 3: Do you think that people would think before they act 132 00:07:00,453 --> 00:07:05,093 Speaker 3: in this way if this becomes a specific criminal offense, Well, 133 00:07:05,093 --> 00:07:07,333 Speaker 3: do you think people that do these kind of horribly 134 00:07:07,613 --> 00:07:10,453 Speaker 3: horrible cow the acts are in a state of rage 135 00:07:10,533 --> 00:07:13,013 Speaker 3: or intoxication. Do you think that actually go, well, this 136 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:16,613 Speaker 3: is a specific criminal offense, so I'm not going to 137 00:07:16,693 --> 00:07:17,973 Speaker 3: commit this horrific act. 138 00:07:19,373 --> 00:07:26,413 Speaker 5: Yes, you know, it won't stop everyone for sure, because 139 00:07:27,373 --> 00:07:30,933 Speaker 5: people you know, as you said, get intoxicated and or 140 00:07:30,973 --> 00:07:34,293 Speaker 5: they're they're they're acting in the in the moment and 141 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:38,893 Speaker 5: won't be thinking straight. But the awareness of it and 142 00:07:38,973 --> 00:07:45,373 Speaker 5: the clarity of of the results. Should they have done 143 00:07:45,493 --> 00:07:49,293 Speaker 5: something like that that fits into the bill, into what 144 00:07:49,453 --> 00:07:53,493 Speaker 5: we hope will be legislation, the simplicity of getting to 145 00:07:53,613 --> 00:07:56,613 Speaker 5: them I think would be a major deterance. 146 00:07:57,533 --> 00:07:59,773 Speaker 3: Now, the last time this was brought up, Labor did 147 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,853 Speaker 3: not support the bill because they believe that legislation and 148 00:08:04,413 --> 00:08:06,453 Speaker 3: that we have the judges to make the call and 149 00:08:06,493 --> 00:08:10,173 Speaker 3: these serious can hit a soult. So do you don't 150 00:08:10,173 --> 00:08:15,653 Speaker 3: believe that the judges are making those calls? 151 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:20,813 Speaker 5: I think that many times it's difficult to make the 152 00:08:20,893 --> 00:08:25,213 Speaker 5: call because if you're having to prove intent. Again, it's 153 00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:31,253 Speaker 5: not something that is readily you know, are supported by 154 00:08:31,293 --> 00:08:36,453 Speaker 5: evidence or accounts or CCTV or whatever. So I think 155 00:08:36,493 --> 00:08:40,933 Speaker 5: we want to give the judges a clear pathway to 156 00:08:40,973 --> 00:08:47,533 Speaker 5: consider this new legislation and use that in the those circumstances. 157 00:08:48,093 --> 00:08:50,013 Speaker 3: So how is support looking for it? Do you think 158 00:08:50,012 --> 00:08:51,053 Speaker 3: it will get through this time? 159 00:08:53,132 --> 00:08:56,852 Speaker 5: I know that the National Party Caucus supports it. I 160 00:08:56,892 --> 00:09:00,853 Speaker 5: am hoping that New Zealand First will come on board 161 00:09:00,892 --> 00:09:05,173 Speaker 5: as well. This was mentioned in the coalition agreement. Also 162 00:09:07,053 --> 00:09:11,252 Speaker 5: hoping that our coal is in the party and actually 163 00:09:11,293 --> 00:09:18,773 Speaker 5: across the floor. I appeal to all MPs to consider 164 00:09:19,933 --> 00:09:22,333 Speaker 5: and and see yes do it. 165 00:09:23,413 --> 00:09:25,492 Speaker 4: Parlo, thank you very much for your time. Really good 166 00:09:25,492 --> 00:09:27,053 Speaker 4: to chat with you, and all the best for the bill. 167 00:09:28,293 --> 00:09:31,933 Speaker 5: Hey, thanks so much, guys, I'm a fan being here. 168 00:09:32,053 --> 00:09:34,973 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much. That is National's new 169 00:09:35,053 --> 00:09:38,973 Speaker 4: len MP Parlow Garcia who's trying to push this bill 170 00:09:39,093 --> 00:09:42,012 Speaker 4: through on the coward Punch legislation. But what do you say? 171 00:09:42,012 --> 00:09:44,533 Speaker 4: I went hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 172 00:09:44,492 --> 00:09:47,333 Speaker 4: of call. Do you think there's any fishalks in this 173 00:09:47,413 --> 00:09:48,533 Speaker 4: particular legislation? 174 00:09:49,053 --> 00:09:50,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that they're one of the 175 00:09:50,933 --> 00:09:54,652 Speaker 3: greatest rebrandings of all time is rebranding the King Hit 176 00:09:54,693 --> 00:09:56,773 Speaker 3: to the coward Punch. I think there was a fantastic 177 00:09:56,852 --> 00:09:59,813 Speaker 3: move and I hope that that's out there that you know, 178 00:10:00,372 --> 00:10:04,933 Speaker 3: anyone that that does this cowardly act gets shamed by 179 00:10:05,093 --> 00:10:07,973 Speaker 3: the people around them. But it does seem like a 180 00:10:08,053 --> 00:10:12,813 Speaker 3: very specifically dangerous thing to do, compared to hitting someone 181 00:10:12,852 --> 00:10:14,933 Speaker 3: front on or attacking someone front on. I mean, all 182 00:10:14,973 --> 00:10:18,173 Speaker 3: assaults are are terrible. What most assaults are terrible? But 183 00:10:19,573 --> 00:10:22,093 Speaker 3: just punching someone, running up to someone while they're on 184 00:10:22,132 --> 00:10:25,093 Speaker 3: the street and punching them from behind is just so 185 00:10:26,012 --> 00:10:29,172 Speaker 3: incredibly cowardly and dangerous. And you know, we've seen a 186 00:10:29,213 --> 00:10:31,013 Speaker 3: lot of people lose their lives in this country around it. 187 00:10:31,173 --> 00:10:33,573 Speaker 4: Absolutely if you've been in a situation where you've seen 188 00:10:33,612 --> 00:10:35,973 Speaker 4: a coward punch or you've had one throw on it, 189 00:10:36,053 --> 00:10:37,453 Speaker 4: you love to hear from you as well. I went 190 00:10:37,453 --> 00:10:40,093 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty and do you genuinely 191 00:10:40,173 --> 00:10:43,732 Speaker 4: think this will pot off primarily young men from throwing 192 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:46,373 Speaker 4: these punches in the first place. Nine two ninety two 193 00:10:46,533 --> 00:10:49,732 Speaker 4: is the text number sixteen past one back very shortly 194 00:10:49,773 --> 00:10:51,093 Speaker 4: here on News Talks EDB. 195 00:10:52,612 --> 00:10:56,093 Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and 196 00:10:56,333 --> 00:10:59,933 Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo 197 00:11:00,252 --> 00:11:03,453 Speaker 1: XC ninety, attention to detail and a commitment to comfort. 198 00:11:03,533 --> 00:11:04,373 Speaker 2: News Talks Dead be. 199 00:11:06,413 --> 00:11:09,973 Speaker 4: Good afternoon. We're talking about legislation going through Parliament now 200 00:11:10,333 --> 00:11:15,852 Speaker 4: on a cowards punch law, effectively adding to the legislation 201 00:11:15,973 --> 00:11:18,253 Speaker 4: that if someone was found guilty of throwing a coward's 202 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:21,053 Speaker 4: punch or a king hit or a sucker punch, as 203 00:11:21,093 --> 00:11:24,892 Speaker 4: it's called in Australia, then the penalties would be far 204 00:11:25,053 --> 00:11:27,373 Speaker 4: stronger than they currently are. It's on the back of 205 00:11:27,372 --> 00:11:31,213 Speaker 4: the UFC star Israel Edisaanya. He's trying his support behind 206 00:11:31,252 --> 00:11:34,612 Speaker 4: the bill. This was after his training partner. You remember 207 00:11:34,612 --> 00:11:37,012 Speaker 4: this story while Favak he was killed after he was 208 00:11:37,053 --> 00:11:40,333 Speaker 4: punched in the head during an altercation in twenty twenty one. 209 00:11:41,012 --> 00:11:43,652 Speaker 4: Plenty of great taps coming through on nine two nine two, 210 00:11:43,653 --> 00:11:45,413 Speaker 4: But we'd love to hear from you on phone as well. 211 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:50,093 Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Rods, how are you 212 00:11:50,173 --> 00:11:50,852 Speaker 4: this afternoon? 213 00:11:52,933 --> 00:11:54,773 Speaker 7: Hey madam Tyler? Good mate? Can you hear me? 214 00:11:54,813 --> 00:11:55,093 Speaker 8: Okay? 215 00:11:55,213 --> 00:11:56,533 Speaker 4: Gotcha a loud and clear You're good. 216 00:11:56,612 --> 00:11:58,293 Speaker 2: You can hear you very well. Rod. What are your 217 00:11:58,293 --> 00:11:58,852 Speaker 2: thoughts on this? 218 00:12:01,293 --> 00:12:06,132 Speaker 7: Fully support what the BMP that's trying to push through 219 00:12:06,173 --> 00:12:06,492 Speaker 7: the bill? 220 00:12:06,933 --> 00:12:07,492 Speaker 9: I am. 221 00:12:07,612 --> 00:12:12,013 Speaker 7: I love coaching mix martial arts myself for four ten 222 00:12:12,053 --> 00:12:17,732 Speaker 7: years professionally, and I've seen firsthand what the cold's punch 223 00:12:18,252 --> 00:12:20,653 Speaker 7: can do on the street. And I would have figted 224 00:12:20,813 --> 00:12:24,013 Speaker 7: one of my teammates file and victors, his family and 225 00:12:24,012 --> 00:12:26,813 Speaker 7: a figured out team and sorts of surcing that he's 226 00:12:26,813 --> 00:12:30,252 Speaker 7: taking a stand in Eugene and Israel and he's taking 227 00:12:30,252 --> 00:12:31,292 Speaker 7: a stand on it as well. 228 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:34,973 Speaker 3: Hey, so right, obviously you know a lot about combat, 229 00:12:35,653 --> 00:12:37,973 Speaker 3: having four professionally for ten years. Do you what is 230 00:12:38,012 --> 00:12:41,293 Speaker 3: the difference in the danger level of the coward punch 231 00:12:41,732 --> 00:12:45,373 Speaker 3: as opposed to face to face fighting on the street. 232 00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:53,293 Speaker 7: So I guess the main there's probably three things. The 233 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:55,933 Speaker 7: main one would be you're not prepared to take a hit. 234 00:12:56,653 --> 00:12:59,573 Speaker 7: So if you have some standing face to face with 235 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:04,653 Speaker 7: you and there's an altercation, at least we can separate, provide, 236 00:13:04,693 --> 00:13:07,533 Speaker 7: give us a bit more range. When you move forward 237 00:13:07,573 --> 00:13:09,693 Speaker 7: towards me, I can see that, so I can either 238 00:13:10,492 --> 00:13:13,933 Speaker 7: step away from you or engage and clench you up, 239 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:16,573 Speaker 7: or I can mitigate any punch or any kick you 240 00:13:16,653 --> 00:13:20,413 Speaker 7: through by blocking it. Now, if I if I don't. 241 00:13:20,173 --> 00:13:22,253 Speaker 10: See that coming from the side or from the back 242 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:25,973 Speaker 10: as a colored punch is thrown, I can't. I can't 243 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:32,093 Speaker 10: mitigate any of that and rendering me not helpless but defenseless. 244 00:13:32,132 --> 00:13:35,052 Speaker 7: So and if I get hurt, and if I come 245 00:13:35,093 --> 00:13:38,853 Speaker 7: off balance, and then I unfortunately, if I get knocked 246 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:41,813 Speaker 7: out and I hit the floor with my head, it's 247 00:13:42,333 --> 00:13:46,852 Speaker 7: highly likely of a concussion, serious concussion, and unfortunately we've 248 00:13:46,852 --> 00:13:49,573 Speaker 7: seen instances of death revolved. 249 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:51,733 Speaker 10: From that, so that that would be the main one, 250 00:13:51,852 --> 00:13:52,573 Speaker 10: just not not. 251 00:13:52,492 --> 00:13:55,213 Speaker 7: Being able to PreTect yourself and knowing that. 252 00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:55,973 Speaker 11: Punch is coming. 253 00:13:56,453 --> 00:13:59,172 Speaker 3: Yeah, because even if you haven't got combat experience or 254 00:13:59,213 --> 00:14:03,093 Speaker 3: training as you do, you're still if you can still 255 00:14:03,093 --> 00:14:05,613 Speaker 3: get your hands up and you can still prepare yourself 256 00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:07,333 Speaker 3: to hurt the ground, can't you? Even if you're just 257 00:14:07,453 --> 00:14:10,012 Speaker 3: someone like me that doesn't know anything about fighting, if 258 00:14:10,053 --> 00:14:12,933 Speaker 3: someone's going to hit me in the front on, at 259 00:14:13,053 --> 00:14:15,093 Speaker 3: least I can have the reaction time put my hands 260 00:14:15,132 --> 00:14:17,253 Speaker 3: up and protect myself even just a little. 261 00:14:17,012 --> 00:14:21,453 Speaker 7: Bit exactly like that. I mean, the first line of 262 00:14:21,453 --> 00:14:24,733 Speaker 7: defense for anyone is distance, So it's your feet. So 263 00:14:24,773 --> 00:14:28,213 Speaker 7: if you can see someone walking towards you in a 264 00:14:28,253 --> 00:14:32,133 Speaker 7: threatening manner or trying to leap towards you attempting to 265 00:14:32,133 --> 00:14:34,333 Speaker 7: throw a punch, you just take a big step back, 266 00:14:34,613 --> 00:14:36,173 Speaker 7: big steps to the left or to the right, and 267 00:14:36,213 --> 00:14:38,532 Speaker 7: you can you can mitigate that without even throwing a 268 00:14:38,613 --> 00:14:41,133 Speaker 7: punch on putting your hands up. You know, the first 269 00:14:41,413 --> 00:14:44,493 Speaker 7: line of defences always was always range, you know, so 270 00:14:44,773 --> 00:14:46,932 Speaker 7: you can't do that if you don't see them. O. 271 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:48,533 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call. Rod, thanks 272 00:14:48,533 --> 00:14:49,253 Speaker 2: for those insights. 273 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:51,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten 274 00:14:51,693 --> 00:14:54,733 Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call. I mean interesting that 275 00:14:54,813 --> 00:14:57,813 Speaker 4: Rob clearly had a bit to do with the MMA's 276 00:14:58,133 --> 00:15:01,773 Speaker 4: community here in New Zealand. It appeared he knew Eugene Beerman, 277 00:15:01,813 --> 00:15:04,493 Speaker 4: who's a trainer at the gym that trains the likes 278 00:15:04,493 --> 00:15:08,733 Speaker 4: of Israel Atasanya and faux Vake And looking at the 279 00:15:09,293 --> 00:15:12,653 Speaker 4: what happened to the person who did coward punch him 280 00:15:12,733 --> 00:15:16,573 Speaker 4: causing his death, Daniel Heveli. He was charged with manslaughter 281 00:15:16,653 --> 00:15:19,133 Speaker 4: in the end sentenced to just two years and six 282 00:15:19,173 --> 00:15:22,173 Speaker 4: months in prison, which is a slap on the wrist 283 00:15:22,173 --> 00:15:24,412 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, isn't it two years 284 00:15:24,453 --> 00:15:26,573 Speaker 4: and six months for killing a man in the street 285 00:15:26,613 --> 00:15:27,933 Speaker 4: by punching him in the back of the head. 286 00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:32,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't seem right, doesn't No, it doesn't pass 287 00:15:32,413 --> 00:15:34,933 Speaker 3: the sniff test of what's fear in society when you've 288 00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:36,133 Speaker 3: taken someone's life out. 289 00:15:36,493 --> 00:15:39,053 Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 290 00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:41,373 Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two If you prefer to text, it's 291 00:15:41,533 --> 00:15:43,653 Speaker 4: twenty three past one back for he shortly here on 292 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:44,533 Speaker 4: news Talks EDB. 293 00:15:46,173 --> 00:15:49,533 Speaker 3: So if you're thinking about a new Volvo suv, and 294 00:15:49,733 --> 00:15:52,173 Speaker 3: a lot of you will say, hey, that's a bold 295 00:15:52,413 --> 00:15:54,213 Speaker 3: choice in a crowded suv market. 296 00:15:54,213 --> 00:15:54,773 Speaker 4: But bear with. 297 00:15:54,813 --> 00:15:57,733 Speaker 2: Us, why wouldn't you choose the Volvo XC. 298 00:15:57,893 --> 00:16:01,493 Speaker 4: Ninety One look seriously, will tell you she's a spacious beast, 299 00:16:01,573 --> 00:16:04,893 Speaker 4: is huge, We're seeding for up to seven people truckloads, 300 00:16:04,933 --> 00:16:06,253 Speaker 4: a room for your luggage as. 301 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:08,412 Speaker 3: Well, and of course, Tyler being Volvo, the x D 302 00:16:08,573 --> 00:16:11,133 Speaker 3: ninety is packed with Swedish no how and quality and 303 00:16:11,173 --> 00:16:12,773 Speaker 3: comes fully loaded with. 304 00:16:12,773 --> 00:16:15,293 Speaker 4: The latest tech. Love the Swedish and by that we 305 00:16:15,373 --> 00:16:18,573 Speaker 4: mean the Google Maps, Google Assistant and Google Play. 306 00:16:18,773 --> 00:16:21,733 Speaker 3: The XC ninety has got a panoramic roof, advanced air 307 00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:24,613 Speaker 3: purifier and a head up display that changes to suit 308 00:16:24,613 --> 00:16:25,493 Speaker 3: the light conditions. 309 00:16:25,573 --> 00:16:29,733 Speaker 4: Beautiful, yeah, lovely. Basically, the Volvo XC ninety is blim 310 00:16:29,813 --> 00:16:30,773 Speaker 4: and smooth. 311 00:16:30,453 --> 00:16:33,373 Speaker 3: Especially with the air suspension system that constantly adjusts the 312 00:16:33,453 --> 00:16:35,293 Speaker 3: right height and shock absorbers. 313 00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:37,973 Speaker 4: So we reckon. You need to visit Volvo cars right 314 00:16:38,013 --> 00:16:40,733 Speaker 4: now and see why the Volvo XC ninety is the 315 00:16:41,093 --> 00:16:43,053 Speaker 4: suv for you right now. 316 00:16:44,813 --> 00:16:49,253 Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast. 317 00:16:48,733 --> 00:16:50,532 Speaker 2: Exclaim, mister that you're going to play with the corporate 318 00:16:50,533 --> 00:16:52,173 Speaker 2: text rates. Well, we're open to looking at all our 319 00:16:52,213 --> 00:16:54,453 Speaker 2: tax settings that encouragees growth. So we could be talking 320 00:16:54,493 --> 00:16:56,173 Speaker 2: about corporate text cuts this budget. 321 00:16:56,213 --> 00:16:58,253 Speaker 12: I'm not going to talk about what those measures may be. 322 00:16:58,453 --> 00:17:00,493 Speaker 12: How can you cut corporate? I mean, good on you, 323 00:17:00,573 --> 00:17:02,333 Speaker 12: well done, get on with it. How can you cut 324 00:17:02,333 --> 00:17:04,132 Speaker 12: corporate and leave at thirty nine the top rate? 325 00:17:04,253 --> 00:17:07,933 Speaker 4: Well, again I'm not going to talk about it. Discussion. 326 00:17:08,013 --> 00:17:10,213 Speaker 12: How do you lower corporate while keeping the top rate 327 00:17:10,253 --> 00:17:12,453 Speaker 12: and the gap being too high? Well, the challenge we've 328 00:17:12,453 --> 00:17:14,813 Speaker 12: got is how do you drive more economic productivity? 329 00:17:14,893 --> 00:17:15,133 Speaker 4: Yeah? 330 00:17:15,733 --> 00:17:17,813 Speaker 12: I couldn't agree more. Yeah, lower the top rate, lower 331 00:17:17,853 --> 00:17:19,693 Speaker 12: the corporate get on with it. So you'll announce it 332 00:17:19,693 --> 00:17:21,613 Speaker 12: in the budget to go into election new with text cuts? 333 00:17:21,653 --> 00:17:25,933 Speaker 12: Where will I'm not there? Was close enough Back tomorrow 334 00:17:26,013 --> 00:17:28,893 Speaker 12: at six am the Mike Husking Breakfast with Mayley's Real 335 00:17:29,013 --> 00:17:30,653 Speaker 12: Estate News Talk ZB. 336 00:17:30,693 --> 00:17:31,733 Speaker 4: Twenty seven past one. 337 00:17:31,933 --> 00:17:35,053 Speaker 3: So we're talking about the coward punch becoming a specific 338 00:17:35,093 --> 00:17:39,053 Speaker 3: criminal offense. There's a new bill being taken to Parliament 339 00:17:39,173 --> 00:17:45,053 Speaker 3: soon by National's Newland MP Paula Garcia and d D 340 00:17:45,293 --> 00:17:45,813 Speaker 3: joins us. 341 00:17:46,373 --> 00:17:49,573 Speaker 2: How are you today? Sorry, my thing doesn't work. I 342 00:17:49,653 --> 00:17:52,493 Speaker 2: can you press that button for MELI? How are you 343 00:17:52,493 --> 00:17:54,693 Speaker 2: your thoughts on this? Bigg about it? 344 00:17:54,733 --> 00:18:00,893 Speaker 13: Yeah, I really poor life were bringing in net Bill 345 00:18:00,973 --> 00:18:03,653 Speaker 13: and particularly changing the name because it is a sale 346 00:18:03,653 --> 00:18:09,013 Speaker 13: of the things. I've been living in Africa and super 347 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:11,213 Speaker 13: room and God, you're going to get killed over there 348 00:18:11,333 --> 00:18:15,333 Speaker 13: or attacked. But I didn't see any police and they 349 00:18:15,453 --> 00:18:21,733 Speaker 13: said to the Tanzanians, where are the police? Well, we 350 00:18:21,813 --> 00:18:24,493 Speaker 13: don't really need them. And I went off to a 351 00:18:24,613 --> 00:18:30,733 Speaker 13: night club with some MASSI and when we came out 352 00:18:30,733 --> 00:18:32,573 Speaker 13: at two o'clock in the morning, there was no one 353 00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:37,013 Speaker 13: lying drunk. There was no one being threatened or threatening 354 00:18:37,013 --> 00:18:42,413 Speaker 13: anybody else. And they just have respect for themselves and 355 00:18:42,653 --> 00:18:46,653 Speaker 13: for other people. I'm an international aid worker and I 356 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:50,213 Speaker 13: cannot believe the amount of violence that we're seeing in 357 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:50,973 Speaker 13: New Zealand. 358 00:18:51,693 --> 00:18:53,053 Speaker 3: What do you put that down to? What do you 359 00:18:53,093 --> 00:18:56,413 Speaker 3: think that we're more violent than other countries in your observation? 360 00:18:58,573 --> 00:19:02,213 Speaker 13: Well, I think I've thought about this. I think it's 361 00:19:02,213 --> 00:19:07,133 Speaker 13: the upbringing. You know, you are what you see because 362 00:19:07,173 --> 00:19:08,093 Speaker 13: it's normal. 363 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:13,173 Speaker 4: Eye just think it is well, for lack of a 364 00:19:13,173 --> 00:19:15,373 Speaker 4: better word, we we love a drink in New Zealand, 365 00:19:15,493 --> 00:19:17,253 Speaker 4: and a lot of people say there's nothing wrong with that, 366 00:19:17,293 --> 00:19:20,653 Speaker 4: including me, But young men in particular, if they go 367 00:19:20,733 --> 00:19:22,733 Speaker 4: out in the town and they have a skin fuel 368 00:19:22,933 --> 00:19:25,693 Speaker 4: and then something happens that just sets them off and 369 00:19:25,733 --> 00:19:28,133 Speaker 4: they get that red mist that that is behind a 370 00:19:28,133 --> 00:19:29,213 Speaker 4: bit of this. It's it's pride. 371 00:19:29,253 --> 00:19:29,413 Speaker 7: You know. 372 00:19:29,533 --> 00:19:32,773 Speaker 4: Young men traditionally have a bit of testosterone roaring when 373 00:19:32,813 --> 00:19:34,493 Speaker 4: they're in the early twenties and have a skinful. 374 00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:39,653 Speaker 13: Young women are getting it because you see women fighting, yes, 375 00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:44,293 Speaker 13: and when you see the men that fighting. 376 00:19:43,893 --> 00:19:49,572 Speaker 2: Over yeah, it's not worth it. 377 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:54,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thank you so much. 378 00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:54,812 Speaker 4: For your call. 379 00:19:54,933 --> 00:19:58,013 Speaker 13: Dd Okay, thank. 380 00:19:57,453 --> 00:20:00,493 Speaker 2: You so much for your you call there, Sorr. Yeah, 381 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,893 Speaker 2: I'm just having trouble, a little technical difficulty here. 382 00:20:03,613 --> 00:20:07,053 Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text number. Some great 383 00:20:07,093 --> 00:20:12,933 Speaker 4: texts coming through guys. Not that it's the way, but 384 00:20:12,973 --> 00:20:15,533 Speaker 4: if you're going to fight, fight from the front. Coward 385 00:20:15,533 --> 00:20:18,253 Speaker 4: punch should be on par to murder. 386 00:20:18,773 --> 00:20:20,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going back to what you were saying before 387 00:20:20,413 --> 00:20:25,453 Speaker 3: about some young men when they drink become violent. I mean, 388 00:20:25,813 --> 00:20:27,213 Speaker 3: I can't believe that people that. 389 00:20:27,253 --> 00:20:29,453 Speaker 2: Drink and become violent would drink again. 390 00:20:29,653 --> 00:20:33,093 Speaker 3: Because you know what we do is we change laws 391 00:20:33,133 --> 00:20:35,933 Speaker 3: because some people behave poorly when they drink. 392 00:20:36,213 --> 00:20:38,373 Speaker 2: But I never get violent when I drink. I never have. 393 00:20:38,533 --> 00:20:40,693 Speaker 4: You're a lover fighter, yeah yeah. 394 00:20:40,693 --> 00:20:42,213 Speaker 2: And so, but some people do. 395 00:20:42,533 --> 00:20:44,613 Speaker 3: And so if you've got drunk and you find out 396 00:20:44,653 --> 00:20:48,253 Speaker 3: that that makes you angry, then that's on you to 397 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:49,693 Speaker 3: stop freaking drinking. 398 00:20:50,493 --> 00:20:53,133 Speaker 4: I've had friends like that and for whatever reason, it 399 00:20:53,173 --> 00:20:54,973 Speaker 4: was in their DNA when they got on the juice, 400 00:20:55,013 --> 00:20:57,653 Speaker 4: they got really really angry and did some stupid stuff 401 00:20:57,653 --> 00:20:59,773 Speaker 4: and tried to fight other friend members. And it was 402 00:20:59,853 --> 00:21:03,133 Speaker 4: quickly became a parent that, hey, if you're around the party, 403 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:05,093 Speaker 4: you're not drinking. If you want to drink, you're not 404 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:07,253 Speaker 4: coming around here, mate, because you want to fight everybody. 405 00:21:08,413 --> 00:21:09,253 Speaker 2: It's a terrible thing. 406 00:21:09,333 --> 00:21:11,733 Speaker 4: It certainly is. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 407 00:21:11,893 --> 00:21:15,173 Speaker 4: the number of call headlines coming up. But we got 408 00:21:15,213 --> 00:21:17,413 Speaker 4: plenty of calls on the line to get to it 409 00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:19,053 Speaker 4: is bang on half past one. 410 00:21:22,573 --> 00:21:25,933 Speaker 14: US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's 411 00:21:26,013 --> 00:21:29,292 Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's announced planned 412 00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:33,413 Speaker 14: cuts to state housing provider Kayeinger Aura, which it's told 413 00:21:33,453 --> 00:21:37,812 Speaker 14: to focus on call business. It includes ending sustainable housing 414 00:21:37,853 --> 00:21:42,613 Speaker 14: certification requirements and slashing a quarter of its staff about 415 00:21:42,653 --> 00:21:46,373 Speaker 14: one thousand jobs. Police say they found a jet ski 416 00:21:46,413 --> 00:21:49,373 Speaker 14: believed to belong to a man missing since attempting to 417 00:21:49,373 --> 00:21:52,773 Speaker 14: cross cook straight to Wellington yesterday morning. A jet ski 418 00:21:52,893 --> 00:21:55,413 Speaker 14: was found last night near cook Rock, off the tip 419 00:21:55,453 --> 00:21:59,093 Speaker 14: of the South Island, northeast of Pecton. A twenty year 420 00:21:59,093 --> 00:22:02,373 Speaker 14: old man's been charged with murder using a firearm over 421 00:22:02,413 --> 00:22:05,893 Speaker 14: the death of a teen motorcyclist found dead near Faargara 422 00:22:06,133 --> 00:22:10,573 Speaker 14: last week. Canada and Mexico pledged to bolster border security 423 00:22:10,733 --> 00:22:13,173 Speaker 14: in exchange for a pause and Donald Trump's plan to 424 00:22:13,213 --> 00:22:17,853 Speaker 14: impose tariff's new Findland and Labrador's premier says Canada is 425 00:22:18,013 --> 00:22:22,053 Speaker 14: confused by the US attack on a close friend and ally. 426 00:22:23,173 --> 00:22:26,333 Speaker 14: Nineteen people have been assessed in christ Church and too 427 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:30,413 Speaker 14: treated at hospital after breathing a hazardous chemical at Rolliston's 428 00:22:30,453 --> 00:22:36,613 Speaker 14: skincare manufacturer Lano Corp. Why Shane Devetti's demotion was inevitable 429 00:22:36,613 --> 00:22:39,453 Speaker 14: in the health reshuffle. You can read the full column 430 00:22:39,453 --> 00:22:43,053 Speaker 14: at Endzaid Herald, Premium, Macmata, Matt Eath and Tyler Adams. 431 00:22:43,093 --> 00:22:44,973 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about 432 00:22:44,973 --> 00:22:48,133 Speaker 4: the introduction of a bill to legislate the act of 433 00:22:48,173 --> 00:22:54,253 Speaker 4: a coward punch, basically making it an added crime under 434 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:56,973 Speaker 4: the Crimes Act. This is on the back of the 435 00:22:57,053 --> 00:23:00,532 Speaker 4: UFC star israel Edisanya. He's throwing his support behind the 436 00:23:00,533 --> 00:23:04,173 Speaker 4: bill after, of course, one of his training partners, faux Vake, 437 00:23:04,493 --> 00:23:06,853 Speaker 4: was killed after he was punched in the head with 438 00:23:06,893 --> 00:23:09,413 Speaker 4: a coward punch during an old in twenty twenty one. 439 00:23:09,933 --> 00:23:12,053 Speaker 3: So E one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two 440 00:23:12,133 --> 00:23:14,253 Speaker 3: nine two is the text number. My son was attacked 441 00:23:14,293 --> 00:23:17,133 Speaker 3: on a bus in Auckland yesterday. He was going home 442 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:19,493 Speaker 3: from work. Some guy behind him hit him hard in 443 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:22,413 Speaker 3: the head. Spent the night in hospital with no prior interaction. 444 00:23:22,613 --> 00:23:26,613 Speaker 3: See that's that's harresonent that that needs something bad needs 445 00:23:26,653 --> 00:23:29,253 Speaker 3: to happen to that just by the very act of 446 00:23:29,293 --> 00:23:29,613 Speaker 3: doing that. 447 00:23:29,773 --> 00:23:32,052 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's as cowardly as you can get, isn't it. 448 00:23:32,293 --> 00:23:34,573 Speaker 3: Both male and females are violent. Look at the groups 449 00:23:34,573 --> 00:23:37,333 Speaker 3: attacking people for whatever reason. In a group, people of 450 00:23:37,373 --> 00:23:40,813 Speaker 3: both genders show off. The media tend to label all 451 00:23:40,813 --> 00:23:43,773 Speaker 3: men is violent, Hence the focus influences how men believe 452 00:23:43,773 --> 00:23:44,413 Speaker 3: they should act. 453 00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:48,532 Speaker 4: Well. This legislation would still catch females. If they have 454 00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:51,053 Speaker 4: a coward punch and someone gets very badly injured, they'd 455 00:23:51,093 --> 00:23:55,613 Speaker 4: still be picked up. This one says, I find a 456 00:23:55,693 --> 00:23:58,693 Speaker 4: level of hypocrisy that a UFC fighter is concerned over 457 00:23:59,133 --> 00:24:02,173 Speaker 4: a coward punch law when his sport allows the senseless 458 00:24:02,213 --> 00:24:05,173 Speaker 4: beating of another fighter who's not able to defend himself. 459 00:24:05,173 --> 00:24:07,293 Speaker 4: Into the refsteps in from Craig No. 460 00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:09,373 Speaker 3: I mean, you're going into it. That's a that is 461 00:24:09,413 --> 00:24:12,293 Speaker 3: not even comparable. You're both signing up to go into 462 00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:13,773 Speaker 3: that run, training for the event. 463 00:24:13,893 --> 00:24:15,213 Speaker 2: It's the focus of your life. 464 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:18,733 Speaker 3: You face off against that person and in a very 465 00:24:19,013 --> 00:24:23,373 Speaker 3: very organized fashion. In fact, there's been no serious reason 466 00:24:23,373 --> 00:24:25,573 Speaker 3: in the UFC, not like there is in boxing. So 467 00:24:25,653 --> 00:24:27,373 Speaker 3: I think that's that. I think that's unfair. I think 468 00:24:27,373 --> 00:24:30,453 Speaker 3: it's a totally different situation then running up behind someone 469 00:24:30,493 --> 00:24:33,173 Speaker 3: on the street that has no knowledge of what you're 470 00:24:33,213 --> 00:24:34,693 Speaker 3: up to and punching you in the back of the 471 00:24:34,693 --> 00:24:35,213 Speaker 3: back of the head. 472 00:24:35,213 --> 00:24:37,693 Speaker 4: There's no reef and that scenario saying hey, that's a penalty, 473 00:24:37,733 --> 00:24:39,053 Speaker 4: you can't punch him in the back of the head. 474 00:24:39,093 --> 00:24:43,173 Speaker 4: It's just completely different. H Adam, how are you this afternoon? 475 00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:47,093 Speaker 15: Hello boy, listening to you every day because I'm stuck 476 00:24:47,093 --> 00:24:47,573 Speaker 15: in my van. 477 00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:52,173 Speaker 2: That is that a complimental have we got you on 478 00:24:52,253 --> 00:24:53,893 Speaker 2: Stockholm sitation. 479 00:24:55,613 --> 00:24:59,053 Speaker 15: On talk radio? So it's to listen to you. Something 480 00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:00,053 Speaker 15: interesting going on. 481 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:04,693 Speaker 16: You you're a good man, Adam, Listen, it's really interesting. 482 00:25:04,773 --> 00:25:08,093 Speaker 15: That's about time that legislation is passed, or at least 483 00:25:08,453 --> 00:25:11,893 Speaker 15: you've been looked at seriously about the king as was 484 00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:14,733 Speaker 15: used to be called. It's always been, always been a 485 00:25:14,853 --> 00:25:19,733 Speaker 15: cowardly at It doesn't matter where you come from. I 486 00:25:20,613 --> 00:25:22,333 Speaker 15: grew up in South Africa and I've been in the 487 00:25:22,893 --> 00:25:26,253 Speaker 15: last fourteen years, but the social scene in South Africa 488 00:25:26,373 --> 00:25:29,493 Speaker 15: is a lot different and culturally. If you do that, 489 00:25:29,813 --> 00:25:32,133 Speaker 15: if you could punch someone from the back and anyone 490 00:25:32,173 --> 00:25:36,333 Speaker 15: in public see you, you'll be absolutely mobs bid the 491 00:25:36,413 --> 00:25:39,453 Speaker 15: locals and you will end up in icyu with pipes 492 00:25:40,093 --> 00:25:43,573 Speaker 15: of each still opening. You've cut in your body. That's 493 00:25:43,613 --> 00:25:48,413 Speaker 15: a difference. People don't get involved. So if if this 494 00:25:48,493 --> 00:25:51,013 Speaker 15: would have happened anywhere in South Africa, you definitely will 495 00:25:51,093 --> 00:25:54,373 Speaker 15: end up much worse off than the person that you've punched. 496 00:25:56,053 --> 00:25:58,533 Speaker 3: So is that is that some sort of unwritten code 497 00:25:58,573 --> 00:25:59,653 Speaker 3: of conduct? 498 00:26:00,173 --> 00:26:03,813 Speaker 15: Yes? Absolutely, If you go on. Even if that person 499 00:26:03,933 --> 00:26:06,893 Speaker 15: was wrong and you punch it from behind people that 500 00:26:07,053 --> 00:26:09,053 Speaker 15: wasn't even involved or get in, then you will get 501 00:26:09,053 --> 00:26:12,453 Speaker 15: mob people that can fight, and the average person in 502 00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:17,973 Speaker 15: Africa can really present or dish other really good knockdown 503 00:26:18,893 --> 00:26:21,933 Speaker 15: but face on all of us though, or most of 504 00:26:21,933 --> 00:26:25,293 Speaker 15: the time mind out of experience, from a mind I've 505 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:28,213 Speaker 15: been around the world. Usually if I start over a 506 00:26:28,213 --> 00:26:34,333 Speaker 15: woman or it's usually the good looking mind. But it 507 00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:37,013 Speaker 15: never ends, it never ends well. But in so Africa 508 00:26:37,093 --> 00:26:40,533 Speaker 15: the law is so strict. If you it doesn't matter 509 00:26:40,573 --> 00:26:42,933 Speaker 15: if you even try to protect yourself and that person 510 00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:47,293 Speaker 15: dies eventually or has a serious injury, it's either murder 511 00:26:47,653 --> 00:26:51,573 Speaker 15: or it's attempted murder. It's serious, serious charges that it 512 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:53,573 Speaker 15: needs to be needs to be serious. In New Zealand 513 00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:57,253 Speaker 15: as well, it's nothing different with the behavior. It's always 514 00:26:57,373 --> 00:26:59,813 Speaker 15: towdly if someone doesn't see you. There is a test 515 00:26:59,853 --> 00:27:02,853 Speaker 15: that we do in fighting. I've got a fighting background 516 00:27:03,653 --> 00:27:06,853 Speaker 15: many many years ago, but there's a test. You can 517 00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:10,653 Speaker 15: just blindfold yourself in studio and just take any object. 518 00:27:10,813 --> 00:27:14,693 Speaker 15: Each of you take an object and take take take turns, 519 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:19,173 Speaker 15: and just whenever the other person not cooking anyone over 520 00:27:19,213 --> 00:27:22,253 Speaker 15: the head just for not expecting that that that that 521 00:27:22,253 --> 00:27:27,013 Speaker 15: that blow already you've you've got such a back back, 522 00:27:27,053 --> 00:27:30,373 Speaker 15: you own your back foot. And then also king hit 523 00:27:30,533 --> 00:27:34,573 Speaker 15: always if you take your thumb a breath, radish can 524 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,853 Speaker 15: beyond your ear or on your temples. The soft parts, 525 00:27:38,453 --> 00:27:42,053 Speaker 15: that's where the king hat or the card clutch usually 526 00:27:42,093 --> 00:27:44,453 Speaker 15: a land and that's that's what that's what makes it 527 00:27:44,533 --> 00:27:47,573 Speaker 15: so dangerous. It's a really really sensitive part of your head. 528 00:27:47,973 --> 00:27:50,613 Speaker 15: Saying that the trigger is now wearing extra protection on 529 00:27:50,653 --> 00:27:53,453 Speaker 15: their necks and back of the heads for that ball 530 00:27:53,493 --> 00:27:56,653 Speaker 15: that they that you're dug for exactly the same reason. 531 00:27:57,813 --> 00:28:00,173 Speaker 15: So soft parts. 532 00:28:00,493 --> 00:28:04,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, so so Adam, you've you've been fourteen years in 533 00:28:04,413 --> 00:28:07,893 Speaker 3: New Zealand. Do you think, as a previous caller said 534 00:28:07,973 --> 00:28:11,253 Speaker 3: that New Zealand comes across to you, it appears to 535 00:28:11,253 --> 00:28:12,813 Speaker 3: you to be a quite a violent place out on 536 00:28:12,853 --> 00:28:15,213 Speaker 3: the streets in a. 537 00:28:15,253 --> 00:28:18,973 Speaker 15: Sense, yes, but it's it's it's accepted by a lot 538 00:28:19,013 --> 00:28:21,013 Speaker 15: of people and in a lot of community and a 539 00:28:21,053 --> 00:28:24,013 Speaker 15: lot of communities you have to show how tough you are. 540 00:28:24,533 --> 00:28:29,693 Speaker 15: And it's generally my experience, I can fight, but more 541 00:28:29,893 --> 00:28:32,173 Speaker 15: more your age, but rather not get in a fight, 542 00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:36,493 Speaker 15: but I can't perfect myself. And usually you get a 543 00:28:36,493 --> 00:28:38,813 Speaker 15: bigger fighting from the guy you don't expect it from. 544 00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,053 Speaker 15: It's not always. It's never someone bigger it gives you hiding. 545 00:28:42,093 --> 00:28:45,853 Speaker 15: It's always someone that's either your own side or smaller 546 00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:47,693 Speaker 15: that gives you hiding. It's never the big guys. The 547 00:28:47,733 --> 00:28:50,133 Speaker 15: big guys are the easy part. Easy part. That's what 548 00:28:50,573 --> 00:28:54,293 Speaker 15: you and I think is this overall end of feeling 549 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,693 Speaker 15: people have to tough. I want to run up to 550 00:28:57,733 --> 00:29:00,533 Speaker 15: you and give you the bossing high look that's not 551 00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:04,613 Speaker 15: intimidating to me at all. Is actually really laughable. But 552 00:29:04,653 --> 00:29:06,973 Speaker 15: it is a very diferent environment. If you go out, 553 00:29:07,053 --> 00:29:08,733 Speaker 15: you need to have your words about You have a 554 00:29:08,773 --> 00:29:11,213 Speaker 15: really good looking wife. If I take out in public, 555 00:29:11,893 --> 00:29:15,253 Speaker 15: I always attract the wrong attention. If another from some 556 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,613 Speaker 15: old dude that's halfway. You know, you can see that 557 00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:23,493 Speaker 15: these obviously he wants to see or watch me, steer 558 00:29:23,613 --> 00:29:26,173 Speaker 15: me at her, you know, and it is intimating me. 559 00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:28,293 Speaker 15: Get to other community where you get guys that get 560 00:29:28,333 --> 00:29:32,733 Speaker 15: in the fight next to us on the weekend, just 561 00:29:32,773 --> 00:29:36,013 Speaker 15: some some some football games and the one guy was 562 00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:39,453 Speaker 15: definitely more capable than another guy. And if you know, 563 00:29:39,613 --> 00:29:43,493 Speaker 15: people don't just don't want to get involved, just don't 564 00:29:43,493 --> 00:29:44,093 Speaker 15: get involved. 565 00:29:44,453 --> 00:29:45,413 Speaker 17: We just looked the other way. 566 00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:47,453 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for you call Adam. Cheers 567 00:29:47,493 --> 00:29:50,213 Speaker 3: for sharing that with us. Yeah, I mean, it's an 568 00:29:50,213 --> 00:29:52,093 Speaker 3: interesting idea that if you were in a if you're 569 00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:54,173 Speaker 3: in a social group and one of the members of 570 00:29:54,213 --> 00:29:58,013 Speaker 3: your group smack someone on the back of the head 571 00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,973 Speaker 3: from behind, then I would hope that every social group 572 00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:04,173 Speaker 3: would ostracize that person. You know, because not every coward 573 00:30:04,173 --> 00:30:08,253 Speaker 3: punch obviously ends in someone being hospitalized or or got 574 00:30:08,493 --> 00:30:11,573 Speaker 3: but killed. But if you ever saw that and just 575 00:30:11,613 --> 00:30:13,573 Speaker 3: out of pure luck it doesn't do some serious damage 576 00:30:13,573 --> 00:30:15,453 Speaker 3: to the person, I would certainly hope you would call 577 00:30:15,493 --> 00:30:18,373 Speaker 3: that person a coward yea, And in any way you 578 00:30:18,453 --> 00:30:21,373 Speaker 3: can shame that person for that. That's why I love 579 00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:22,893 Speaker 3: the change of the name to it from a king 580 00:30:22,933 --> 00:30:23,733 Speaker 3: hit to a coward punch. 581 00:30:23,813 --> 00:30:26,773 Speaker 4: It's good. It's just a cowardly way to behave absolutely. Oh, 582 00:30:26,813 --> 00:30:28,733 Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 583 00:30:28,813 --> 00:30:31,573 Speaker 4: It's eighteen to two. Beg fory shortly here on news 584 00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:32,053 Speaker 4: talks 'd. 585 00:30:32,013 --> 00:30:36,213 Speaker 1: Be come and chat with the lads on eight hundred 586 00:30:36,293 --> 00:30:39,653 Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volbo 587 00:30:39,933 --> 00:30:43,973 Speaker 1: XC ninety ticking every box, a seamless experience of weeds. 588 00:30:43,813 --> 00:30:44,773 Speaker 2: News talks'd be. 589 00:30:45,933 --> 00:30:48,293 Speaker 3: So we're talking about a bill to make the coward 590 00:30:48,373 --> 00:30:53,093 Speaker 3: punch a specific criminal offense. And look, we haven't had 591 00:30:53,133 --> 00:30:56,453 Speaker 3: anyone that disagrees with the idea here coming through. I mean, 592 00:30:56,533 --> 00:30:59,533 Speaker 3: the Labour Party disagrees with it. The Labor Party thinks 593 00:30:59,573 --> 00:31:02,733 Speaker 3: that they believe that we have the legislation and the 594 00:31:02,813 --> 00:31:05,573 Speaker 3: judges to make the call in these serious king hit assaults. 595 00:31:05,813 --> 00:31:07,173 Speaker 2: Doesn't seem to be happening though, it doesn't. 596 00:31:07,373 --> 00:31:09,133 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many examples that we've just got 597 00:31:09,173 --> 00:31:12,293 Speaker 3: here of people getting what seems to be very very 598 00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:17,653 Speaker 3: lenient sentences for what is such an such an incredibly 599 00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:20,013 Speaker 3: dangerous thing to do to someone. You were taking someone's 600 00:31:20,053 --> 00:31:22,493 Speaker 3: life into your hands if you do that. 601 00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:25,933 Speaker 4: And someone from behind just quickly. One of those examples 602 00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:29,893 Speaker 4: is Faux Varke. This is why Israel Design is standing 603 00:31:29,933 --> 00:31:32,453 Speaker 4: up and throwing his support behind this bull. So Faux Varke, 604 00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:35,293 Speaker 4: as many would remember, was killed after he was coward 605 00:31:35,293 --> 00:31:38,213 Speaker 4: punched in the head during an altercation in twenty twenty one. 606 00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:41,613 Speaker 4: The guy who punched him. Daniel Heverli got sentenced to 607 00:31:41,653 --> 00:31:44,973 Speaker 4: two years six months, which is crazy for killing someone. 608 00:31:45,133 --> 00:31:48,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, our son was out with friends in a pub 609 00:31:48,293 --> 00:31:51,413 Speaker 3: slash cafe. A guy took exception to what they were saying. 610 00:31:51,493 --> 00:31:53,853 Speaker 3: One of the friends went outside, so this coward got 611 00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:56,253 Speaker 3: up and side punched my son, who went down like 612 00:31:56,293 --> 00:31:59,013 Speaker 3: a lead balloon. Ended up concussed and unwell for weeks, 613 00:31:59,253 --> 00:32:01,653 Speaker 3: but had to carry on working. Having got him out 614 00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:03,613 Speaker 3: of the way, he went on to do the same 615 00:32:03,653 --> 00:32:06,453 Speaker 3: to the friend outside, who went down on the concrete too. 616 00:32:06,653 --> 00:32:08,773 Speaker 3: He ended up an intensive care for ten days, could 617 00:32:08,813 --> 00:32:11,693 Speaker 3: no longer retain his job due to brain injuries. This 618 00:32:11,813 --> 00:32:13,733 Speaker 3: was the young family. This was the young family to 619 00:32:13,773 --> 00:32:16,533 Speaker 3: provide for. He's still having the problems due to the injury, 620 00:32:16,573 --> 00:32:19,573 Speaker 3: but has now been working again, all on camera. The 621 00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:22,693 Speaker 3: guy was prosecuted had done similar things before, but once 622 00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:25,293 Speaker 3: again a slap on the wrist and ready again for 623 00:32:25,333 --> 00:32:28,173 Speaker 3: the next victim. Affected the lives of two hard working 624 00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:30,693 Speaker 3: families for a substantial amount of time. Could have been 625 00:32:30,693 --> 00:32:33,293 Speaker 3: facing a murder charge. But I really don't think these 626 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:36,133 Speaker 3: people stopped to think of the consequences or have any 627 00:32:36,173 --> 00:32:39,053 Speaker 3: consideration of how lives can be so affected. 628 00:32:39,173 --> 00:32:39,333 Speaker 18: Wow. 629 00:32:39,413 --> 00:32:41,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so you didn't kill that either of 630 00:32:41,213 --> 00:32:42,493 Speaker 3: those people then, but you could have. 631 00:32:42,613 --> 00:32:45,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, got to take them out of circulation, those cowards. Absolutely, 632 00:32:45,453 --> 00:32:49,533 Speaker 4: that's horrendous. Troy. How are you this afternoon? 633 00:32:50,733 --> 00:32:51,333 Speaker 19: Good gentlemen? 634 00:32:51,333 --> 00:32:51,693 Speaker 18: Yourself? 635 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:54,893 Speaker 4: Very good? So you presented a petition to Parliament about 636 00:32:55,813 --> 00:32:58,573 Speaker 4: this very legislation. What four years ago? 637 00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:01,533 Speaker 19: Oh yeah, a bit longer ago now, Actually I get 638 00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:03,493 Speaker 19: my timing a bit wrong as I'm getting older, but 639 00:33:03,933 --> 00:33:06,693 Speaker 19: I think it was a situation in Chris of usage 640 00:33:07,613 --> 00:33:10,093 Speaker 19: was by a coward punch or a sucker punch in 641 00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:15,973 Speaker 19: twenty eighteen was killed and twenty two year old that 642 00:33:16,053 --> 00:33:21,533 Speaker 19: did it? You talk about two years and six months. 643 00:33:21,893 --> 00:33:26,413 Speaker 19: This guy got ten months hold attention and four hundred 644 00:33:26,453 --> 00:33:27,493 Speaker 19: hours community service. 645 00:33:28,413 --> 00:33:30,133 Speaker 11: Wow, but taking your life? 646 00:33:31,533 --> 00:33:35,653 Speaker 3: Was there any reason given for that light sentence? So 647 00:33:35,773 --> 00:33:38,133 Speaker 3: how was that explained by the judge? 648 00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:39,013 Speaker 17: And this is where I. 649 00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:41,933 Speaker 19: This is why I really disagree with the comments by 650 00:33:41,973 --> 00:33:44,733 Speaker 19: the Labor Party and PS by saying that that the 651 00:33:44,813 --> 00:33:47,173 Speaker 19: judges had the option of being able to put a 652 00:33:47,333 --> 00:33:53,253 Speaker 19: hard ascendance already the judge used their ability for the 653 00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:57,093 Speaker 19: young person that did this, they believed he had at 654 00:33:57,133 --> 00:34:00,333 Speaker 19: a future had good finance support around him to be 655 00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:04,533 Speaker 19: able to make a difference in society as he got older. Now, 656 00:34:04,573 --> 00:34:06,653 Speaker 19: that doesn't take back the life of the person that. 657 00:34:06,693 --> 00:34:09,413 Speaker 7: Was killed by by a coward punch. 658 00:34:09,973 --> 00:34:14,613 Speaker 19: And this is why I fully support Polo Garcia with 659 00:34:14,773 --> 00:34:18,693 Speaker 19: this Private Members. Also, when I presented, I actually presented 660 00:34:18,893 --> 00:34:22,212 Speaker 19: to Mark Mitchell, who obvious is now the policemanist as well, 661 00:34:22,253 --> 00:34:25,213 Speaker 19: so I know Mark is one hundred support of this 662 00:34:25,293 --> 00:34:28,013 Speaker 19: as well. I just hope this gets cross party support 663 00:34:28,053 --> 00:34:28,933 Speaker 19: because it's needed. 664 00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:33,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes sorry to jump in there. It comes 665 00:34:33,653 --> 00:34:36,733 Speaker 4: back to the starting point for a judge, does it, Troy. 666 00:34:36,893 --> 00:34:38,973 Speaker 4: So in that case that you mentioned there, the starting 667 00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:42,053 Speaker 4: point was quite low. So then with the discounts they 668 00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:45,772 Speaker 4: gave and the fact that they thought this guy had 669 00:34:45,773 --> 00:34:49,293 Speaker 4: a future in whatever means meant it was a slap 670 00:34:49,293 --> 00:34:52,653 Speaker 4: on the rest. Whereas if the starting point was, for example, 671 00:34:52,853 --> 00:34:55,053 Speaker 4: ten years in prison for killing someone with a coward punch, 672 00:34:55,653 --> 00:34:59,293 Speaker 4: then you know that if someone commits one of these acts, 673 00:34:59,293 --> 00:35:01,133 Speaker 4: they are going to do some serious prison. 674 00:35:01,253 --> 00:35:06,053 Speaker 19: On absolutely. I remember when I started a position, I 675 00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:08,333 Speaker 19: didn't actually know the family at all. I didn't know Chris, 676 00:35:08,373 --> 00:35:11,413 Speaker 19: but I was just so absolutely shocked at the situation. 677 00:35:11,573 --> 00:35:13,253 Speaker 19: I had a lot of his family called me and 678 00:35:13,493 --> 00:35:16,493 Speaker 19: they were so thankful. Even when I went down to Parliament, 679 00:35:16,493 --> 00:35:19,013 Speaker 19: they were calling me and say thank you. It wasn't 680 00:35:19,133 --> 00:35:21,573 Speaker 19: It wasn't for any other reason that I just imagine 681 00:35:21,733 --> 00:35:24,533 Speaker 19: people that it could be in the same situation and 682 00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:27,853 Speaker 19: that coward punt for that sucker punch, as Israel says, 683 00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:29,853 Speaker 19: you know, it's just not right and it needs for 684 00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:32,533 Speaker 19: the address and it needs to be. As you said, Tyler, 685 00:35:32,693 --> 00:35:35,253 Speaker 19: we need to start with the the sentencing at a 686 00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:38,693 Speaker 19: high level. So if account is given for remorse, and 687 00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:41,813 Speaker 19: it's given for age, and it's given for background, it 688 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,652 Speaker 19: still means that this person should go to jail when 689 00:35:44,653 --> 00:35:46,333 Speaker 19: they're actually killing somebody. 690 00:35:46,373 --> 00:35:49,213 Speaker 2: Now Troy, in the name of fenness. 691 00:35:49,213 --> 00:35:51,652 Speaker 3: Obviously, if someone's done that, the balance, you know, the 692 00:35:51,693 --> 00:35:55,693 Speaker 3: retribution and the punishment for that crime, you know, needs 693 00:35:55,693 --> 00:35:59,813 Speaker 3: to be you know needs to the punishment needs to 694 00:35:59,813 --> 00:36:01,573 Speaker 3: fit the crime, is what I'm trying to say. But 695 00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:03,453 Speaker 3: do you think that in the heat of the moment 696 00:36:03,493 --> 00:36:07,973 Speaker 3: on the streets this legislation would stop someone performing this 697 00:36:08,093 --> 00:36:10,053 Speaker 3: cow act? Do you think it would get through to 698 00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:13,213 Speaker 3: someone in a rage to go I shouldn't I shouldn't 699 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:13,493 Speaker 3: do this. 700 00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:19,213 Speaker 19: Look, I don't know, because it may not, But is 701 00:36:19,253 --> 00:36:22,453 Speaker 19: that the only reason not to have this? You know, 702 00:36:22,493 --> 00:36:25,693 Speaker 19: this surely has to be a punishment for a heenus 703 00:36:25,733 --> 00:36:29,213 Speaker 19: crime like this. In reality, if it gets through to 704 00:36:29,293 --> 00:36:32,973 Speaker 19: one younger person as they're growing up, that they realize 705 00:36:32,973 --> 00:36:35,293 Speaker 19: and they see their mates and say, guys don't do this, 706 00:36:35,973 --> 00:36:38,732 Speaker 19: and actually tries to get through when somebody's not trynk 707 00:36:38,773 --> 00:36:40,573 Speaker 19: when they're young and they see this and they see 708 00:36:40,613 --> 00:36:43,653 Speaker 19: this whole situation. That's what I'm hoping for, that that 709 00:36:43,813 --> 00:36:47,333 Speaker 19: the terrent will be there, not necessarily for that person 710 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:50,013 Speaker 19: on the spot there, but as other people realize this 711 00:36:50,053 --> 00:36:52,013 Speaker 19: is what happens. That's when you had the urre and 712 00:36:52,093 --> 00:36:52,613 Speaker 19: kicked in law. 713 00:36:53,373 --> 00:36:54,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. 714 00:36:54,453 --> 00:36:56,973 Speaker 3: It's saying that it sort of permeates through society that 715 00:36:57,053 --> 00:37:00,013 Speaker 3: this is a really evil and dangerous thing to do. 716 00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:04,493 Speaker 3: And so you just know that even in your rage state, 717 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:07,053 Speaker 3: you know down that you are you are taking this 718 00:37:07,093 --> 00:37:10,653 Speaker 3: to a to a a large level, because there's probably 719 00:37:10,653 --> 00:37:13,293 Speaker 3: some of these guys that do this and girls that 720 00:37:13,373 --> 00:37:17,093 Speaker 3: do this that that I don't think they're going to 721 00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:19,133 Speaker 3: be the hero at that point because I've seen an opportunity. 722 00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,893 Speaker 3: They think they're going to take this person down. They 723 00:37:21,933 --> 00:37:26,053 Speaker 3: don't understand that they are actually going to be shamed 724 00:37:26,093 --> 00:37:28,053 Speaker 3: by their act, that their act is a shameful act. 725 00:37:28,093 --> 00:37:30,093 Speaker 3: So if that permeates through society, then I think they'll 726 00:37:30,093 --> 00:37:31,493 Speaker 3: be a very good thing. And that's why I love 727 00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:33,453 Speaker 3: that people call it the coward poch shameful. 728 00:37:34,013 --> 00:37:35,053 Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a shameful. 729 00:37:35,533 --> 00:37:37,133 Speaker 19: That's what you need to really emphasize. 730 00:37:37,293 --> 00:37:39,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for you call Troy. I appreciate it, 731 00:37:39,533 --> 00:37:41,493 Speaker 3: and get on you for starting that petition. 732 00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,493 Speaker 4: Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the 733 00:37:43,613 --> 00:37:46,013 Speaker 4: number to call. We're talking about the coward Punch Bill 734 00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,853 Speaker 4: going through Parliament to make coward punches a specific offense. 735 00:37:49,893 --> 00:37:52,813 Speaker 4: Do you agree? Nine two ninety two is the text number? 736 00:37:52,973 --> 00:37:53,813 Speaker 2: Do you disagree? 737 00:37:53,893 --> 00:37:56,573 Speaker 3: Because we haven't had a single person that's disagreed except 738 00:37:56,653 --> 00:37:58,893 Speaker 3: for one Labor Party MP when the bill came through 739 00:37:58,973 --> 00:37:59,333 Speaker 3: last time. 740 00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:01,013 Speaker 2: Well the whole Labour Party voted against it. In the 741 00:38:01,013 --> 00:38:01,573 Speaker 2: Green Party. 742 00:38:01,653 --> 00:38:04,453 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's some people disagree with it, but we 743 00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:07,733 Speaker 3: haven't seen a single text or a single had a 744 00:38:07,773 --> 00:38:09,533 Speaker 3: single phone that thinks. 745 00:38:09,293 --> 00:38:11,293 Speaker 2: It's not a good idea. To make it a specific 746 00:38:11,493 --> 00:38:12,293 Speaker 2: criminal offense. 747 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,812 Speaker 4: If that's you, let us know, Oh, eight hundred eighty 748 00:38:16,013 --> 00:38:19,653 Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. It's seven to two. 749 00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:23,773 Speaker 1: Mattith Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and 750 00:38:23,773 --> 00:38:27,373 Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matten Tayler afternoons with the Volvo XC 751 00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:31,893 Speaker 1: ninety tick every box a seamless experience awaits news dogs. 752 00:38:31,653 --> 00:38:35,893 Speaker 4: NB it is five to two. 753 00:38:36,053 --> 00:38:39,413 Speaker 3: So yeah, we've been talking about making the coward punch 754 00:38:39,493 --> 00:38:43,253 Speaker 3: a specific criminal offense. It's a bill that's being introduced 755 00:38:43,293 --> 00:38:48,413 Speaker 3: by new Len MP Paulo Garcia, and it has previously 756 00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:51,613 Speaker 3: been introduced in the past and been knocked back by 757 00:38:51,693 --> 00:38:55,212 Speaker 3: Labor and the Greens. And look, we've been talking about 758 00:38:55,253 --> 00:38:58,013 Speaker 3: this for an hour and we've had hundreds and hundreds 759 00:38:58,013 --> 00:39:02,692 Speaker 3: of texts and a lot of phone calls, and there's 760 00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:05,212 Speaker 3: only been one text that disagrees, and that just comes through. 761 00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:07,853 Speaker 3: Now one hundred percent disagree. This won't make a rats 762 00:39:07,853 --> 00:39:11,212 Speaker 3: difference to people considering a king had tried to call 763 00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:13,773 Speaker 3: but could not get through. Yeah, it might not make 764 00:39:13,813 --> 00:39:16,053 Speaker 3: a rats difference. I think it well. I think you 765 00:39:16,093 --> 00:39:19,813 Speaker 3: can change. I think you can change the way people 766 00:39:19,893 --> 00:39:22,533 Speaker 3: view things as they'd are saying, they said, let's eliminate 767 00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:25,293 Speaker 3: this from our culture because this is not us. But 768 00:39:25,333 --> 00:39:28,973 Speaker 3: also there has to be consequences for your actions death 769 00:39:29,173 --> 00:39:30,613 Speaker 3: just for the sake of the victims have to be 770 00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:33,773 Speaker 3: able to go, well, I lost this person, and there 771 00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:35,773 Speaker 3: is some consequence to the person that did it. 772 00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:38,493 Speaker 4: And when they introduced it in Australia and King's Cross, 773 00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:41,373 Speaker 4: the incidence of coward punches or sucker punches as they 774 00:39:41,413 --> 00:39:43,533 Speaker 4: call it, did go down over time. So it did 775 00:39:43,573 --> 00:39:46,133 Speaker 4: work in Australia. You'd hope it work here as well. 776 00:39:46,333 --> 00:39:48,853 Speaker 3: So thank you so much for your texts and calls. 777 00:39:48,893 --> 00:39:50,893 Speaker 3: And we've got another topic coming up next hour. 778 00:39:51,053 --> 00:39:53,933 Speaker 4: Vers is dead to your heart, isn't it? Matt? People 779 00:39:53,973 --> 00:39:57,013 Speaker 4: pulling the old SICKI at work? Is it okay? If 780 00:39:57,053 --> 00:39:58,093 Speaker 4: you're not actually sick? 781 00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:01,013 Speaker 2: No week week? 782 00:40:01,773 --> 00:40:03,732 Speaker 4: Let's get into it. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. 783 00:40:03,773 --> 00:40:06,093 Speaker 4: If you're an employer, when was the time you caught 784 00:40:06,093 --> 00:40:08,652 Speaker 4: out one of your employees pulling an old sicky because 785 00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:12,293 Speaker 4: they had a massive night the night before or another reason. 786 00:40:12,373 --> 00:40:14,293 Speaker 4: Love to hear from U nine two nine tours the 787 00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,453 Speaker 4: text news on the. 788 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,933 Speaker 1: Way your new home for insateful and entertaining Talk. It's 789 00:40:19,973 --> 00:40:24,373 Speaker 1: Maddie and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC Nighty 790 00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:25,533 Speaker 1: on News Talk. 791 00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:34,093 Speaker 4: SEV new Talk. They'd be good after noon, Welcome into Tuesday, 792 00:40:34,173 --> 00:40:36,413 Speaker 4: a short week for most of us, white tonguey day 793 00:40:36,413 --> 00:40:38,772 Speaker 4: on Thursday. But feeling good. 794 00:40:39,893 --> 00:40:40,533 Speaker 2: You're feeling good. 795 00:40:40,653 --> 00:40:41,333 Speaker 4: I am feeling good. 796 00:40:41,373 --> 00:40:42,613 Speaker 2: So you're not going to try and throw a sicky 797 00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:43,133 Speaker 2: on Friday? 798 00:40:43,173 --> 00:40:47,093 Speaker 4: Not today? Oh right, on Friday. No, If I'm going 799 00:40:47,173 --> 00:40:48,933 Speaker 4: to take the day off, that would be annual leave. 800 00:40:48,973 --> 00:40:50,973 Speaker 4: I'd be upfront with my employer and saying I am 801 00:40:50,973 --> 00:40:53,653 Speaker 4: going to enjoy an extended weekend. Like a lot of 802 00:40:53,733 --> 00:40:56,333 Speaker 4: keywei's out there, I certainly wouldn't take a sicky though well. 803 00:40:56,373 --> 00:40:58,853 Speaker 3: New Zealand staff sick days hit a record high in 804 00:40:58,933 --> 00:41:01,613 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. According to a Southern Cross Health Insurance 805 00:41:01,653 --> 00:41:04,173 Speaker 3: and Business New Zealand study, most workers by Laura and 806 00:41:04,213 --> 00:41:08,733 Speaker 3: titled to ten days sickly ver year to care for themselves, partners, children, 807 00:41:09,053 --> 00:41:13,333 Speaker 3: or other dependents. But are you owed those ten days 808 00:41:13,373 --> 00:41:14,252 Speaker 3: even if you're not sick? 809 00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:16,533 Speaker 2: Sick? Because I feel like a lot. 810 00:41:16,453 --> 00:41:19,173 Speaker 3: Of New Zealanders think that that ten days as just 811 00:41:19,253 --> 00:41:22,453 Speaker 3: part of their holidays as well. And look, there's people 812 00:41:22,493 --> 00:41:25,293 Speaker 3: that are probably legitimately sick ten days a year undercent. 813 00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:27,373 Speaker 3: But if you look back through the records and someone 814 00:41:27,413 --> 00:41:31,573 Speaker 3: always has a sick day, suddenly, look they seem to 815 00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:33,653 Speaker 3: be sick on a lot of Mondays after big weekends, 816 00:41:33,773 --> 00:41:36,293 Speaker 3: or you know there's white tongue down on Thursday and 817 00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:39,373 Speaker 3: somehow Friday they just seem to have got a bit 818 00:41:39,373 --> 00:41:42,013 Speaker 3: of a sniffle and couldn't come in. And then you 819 00:41:42,053 --> 00:41:44,653 Speaker 3: see them on Facebook having a great time, Well that. 820 00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:47,093 Speaker 4: Would be terrible. You see them on social media kicking 821 00:41:47,173 --> 00:41:48,013 Speaker 4: back at the beach. 822 00:41:48,933 --> 00:41:51,212 Speaker 2: On Instagram, yes, and you're like, what's going on here? 823 00:41:51,293 --> 00:41:53,973 Speaker 4: That's a formal warning, surely, But I mean that's a 824 00:41:53,973 --> 00:41:56,252 Speaker 4: big thing. Is I think you're quite right. A lot 825 00:41:56,293 --> 00:41:58,933 Speaker 4: of employees would see that sick leave. Say they get 826 00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:01,373 Speaker 4: to I don't know, October, and they've got their ten 827 00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:04,172 Speaker 4: days sick leaf sitting there, and they can probably see 828 00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:07,013 Speaker 4: on their pacelip that they are entitled to so many hours. 829 00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:09,973 Speaker 4: What's that that's two weeks, So they're entitled to eighty 830 00:42:10,013 --> 00:42:12,252 Speaker 4: hours sick leave. I'd be looking at and say, oh, 831 00:42:12,373 --> 00:42:14,693 Speaker 4: that looks pretty good. Maybe I'm feeling a few sniffles 832 00:42:14,693 --> 00:42:16,813 Speaker 4: coming on, just to add to my four weeks and 833 00:42:16,893 --> 00:42:17,293 Speaker 4: you'll leave. 834 00:42:17,373 --> 00:42:19,133 Speaker 3: Well, you see the hes A text that's just come 835 00:42:19,173 --> 00:42:21,212 Speaker 3: through in nineteen nine two, Hey, guys, I'm considering pulling 836 00:42:21,253 --> 00:42:23,613 Speaker 3: a SICKI on Monday because I have Super Bowl fever. 837 00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:26,172 Speaker 4: Cough coughe not sounding too good. 838 00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:26,893 Speaker 2: I tried that. 839 00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:28,653 Speaker 3: I got hold of our boss well, and I said, 840 00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:30,933 Speaker 3: can I get Monday off to watch the Super Bowl? 841 00:42:30,973 --> 00:42:34,053 Speaker 2: And he said, well no, And that was fair enough. 842 00:42:34,373 --> 00:42:38,373 Speaker 3: But a less honest person I would start running a 843 00:42:38,373 --> 00:42:41,453 Speaker 3: bit of a sniffle around now and then suddenly I'm 844 00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:43,893 Speaker 3: not here on Monday, and then this whole lot of 845 00:42:43,933 --> 00:42:45,813 Speaker 3: pictures me with a hot dog stuff to my mouth 846 00:42:45,893 --> 00:42:49,253 Speaker 3: down at a bar, at the full time Bar, enjoying myself. 847 00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:51,733 Speaker 4: Well, that's a good point you raised that, because have 848 00:42:51,813 --> 00:42:54,053 Speaker 4: I ever pulled a SICKI in my life? Yeah, at school, 849 00:42:54,053 --> 00:42:56,493 Speaker 4: I probably pulled a SICKI, But in my working life, 850 00:42:56,573 --> 00:42:58,933 Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever pulled a SICKI when I 851 00:42:59,013 --> 00:43:01,453 Speaker 4: wasn't genuinely sick. I just felt that that was a 852 00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:03,373 Speaker 4: slap in the face to my employer. But also if 853 00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:06,293 Speaker 4: I ever got caught out that to me would be 854 00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:08,733 Speaker 4: the worst. I'd be so incredibly embarrassed. I feel like 855 00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:12,093 Speaker 4: such a dirtbag to think, Yeah, I like to you, 856 00:43:12,253 --> 00:43:14,813 Speaker 4: I was not that sick. It's far easier just to 857 00:43:14,813 --> 00:43:16,652 Speaker 4: ask for an annual leave day and then you can 858 00:43:16,693 --> 00:43:18,732 Speaker 4: do whatever you want. You don't have to hide away 859 00:43:18,773 --> 00:43:20,853 Speaker 4: in your house for fear that someone from work is 860 00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:22,252 Speaker 4: going to see you kicking back. 861 00:43:22,133 --> 00:43:22,533 Speaker 2: At the beach. 862 00:43:22,613 --> 00:43:26,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you 863 00:43:26,413 --> 00:43:28,973 Speaker 3: entitled to ten sick days a year even if you're not? 864 00:43:29,053 --> 00:43:31,252 Speaker 3: And what do you think about mental health days where 865 00:43:31,293 --> 00:43:33,013 Speaker 3: you just say, because I hear this a lot, I 866 00:43:33,053 --> 00:43:34,773 Speaker 3: might just take a mental health day tomorrow because I'm 867 00:43:34,773 --> 00:43:35,573 Speaker 3: feeling this way. 868 00:43:36,533 --> 00:43:42,493 Speaker 2: Should we celebrate in New Zealand, what's the word just. 869 00:43:42,053 --> 00:43:45,853 Speaker 3: Standing up and going to work and being strong and 870 00:43:45,893 --> 00:43:50,252 Speaker 3: being tough and keeping going, rather than celebrating taking time off. 871 00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:52,253 Speaker 4: I think there's a fair argument that we took it 872 00:43:52,293 --> 00:43:54,653 Speaker 4: too far in the other direction, because that was always 873 00:43:54,853 --> 00:43:57,172 Speaker 4: well for a lot of workers. It was kind of 874 00:43:57,493 --> 00:43:59,172 Speaker 4: the dune thing, right that if you had a bit 875 00:43:59,173 --> 00:44:01,573 Speaker 4: of a sniffle, or you found yourself a little bit 876 00:44:01,653 --> 00:44:03,172 Speaker 4: under the weather, but you were good enough to go 877 00:44:03,173 --> 00:44:05,773 Speaker 4: to work. Then it was okay to turn up to 878 00:44:05,813 --> 00:44:08,813 Speaker 4: work to do your job. But over the last few 879 00:44:08,893 --> 00:44:11,453 Speaker 4: years it's kind of gone yeah, way in the other 880 00:44:11,493 --> 00:44:14,333 Speaker 4: direction that do not turn up to work with your crop. 881 00:44:14,453 --> 00:44:16,893 Speaker 3: I have zero tolerance and my kids taking days off 882 00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:18,652 Speaker 3: school and they never try it on. And my parents 883 00:44:18,693 --> 00:44:19,973 Speaker 3: were the same with me. If I ever said I 884 00:44:19,973 --> 00:44:21,493 Speaker 3: was sick, they'd like, go to school, shut up. 885 00:44:22,413 --> 00:44:22,613 Speaker 2: Never. 886 00:44:22,813 --> 00:44:25,772 Speaker 3: There was zero tolerance, absolute zero tolerance. And I brought 887 00:44:25,773 --> 00:44:29,053 Speaker 3: that to my kids. And you know, during just the 888 00:44:29,213 --> 00:44:32,333 Speaker 3: end of recent stuff where you'd be called into school 889 00:44:32,333 --> 00:44:33,613 Speaker 3: and you had to take your kid home because they 890 00:44:33,653 --> 00:44:36,693 Speaker 3: had a slight stomach, they complained at all about their 891 00:44:36,693 --> 00:44:38,933 Speaker 3: stomach or even one sniffle and they were sent home. 892 00:44:39,533 --> 00:44:41,133 Speaker 3: And I picked up my son a couple of times 893 00:44:41,133 --> 00:44:42,733 Speaker 3: from the sick bay and he was so furious. 894 00:44:42,773 --> 00:44:44,013 Speaker 2: Is I shouldn't have mentioned anything. 895 00:44:44,013 --> 00:44:46,493 Speaker 3: The teacher heard me sniffle, and I've got to go home, 896 00:44:46,813 --> 00:44:48,133 Speaker 3: and meanwhile I've got to go to work to come 897 00:44:48,213 --> 00:44:48,773 Speaker 3: pick him up. 898 00:44:49,093 --> 00:44:49,533 Speaker 2: I think we. 899 00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:52,772 Speaker 3: Should tend towards you always go, and it's very rare 900 00:44:52,813 --> 00:44:55,973 Speaker 3: that you don't, and that you show yourself to be 901 00:44:56,013 --> 00:44:58,413 Speaker 3: a strong and powerful new Zealander that's. 902 00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:02,213 Speaker 2: Doing their bit, like going to work. That was my 903 00:45:02,253 --> 00:45:03,053 Speaker 2: old man's standing. 904 00:45:03,093 --> 00:45:05,053 Speaker 4: Tall. I like that. There's passionate, there's a lot of 905 00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:07,212 Speaker 4: motivation behind what you just said. There was the old 906 00:45:07,213 --> 00:45:09,773 Speaker 4: man's strategy. Whenever I try to pull a siki at school, 907 00:45:09,813 --> 00:45:12,533 Speaker 4: it'd be like, yeah, okay, if you're sick though, no, Tally, 908 00:45:12,933 --> 00:45:16,053 Speaker 4: don't you even think about playing the xbox. You're in bed, 909 00:45:16,133 --> 00:45:19,653 Speaker 4: you're sleeping. If you do any sort of entertainment aspects, 910 00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:21,173 Speaker 4: then you're well enough to go to school. 911 00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:21,933 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 912 00:45:21,933 --> 00:45:24,653 Speaker 3: The Wi Fi has to be after there's no iPad. 913 00:45:24,733 --> 00:45:27,333 Speaker 3: That's one hundred percent. You're in bed being very sick 914 00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:28,493 Speaker 3: all day, young man. 915 00:45:28,813 --> 00:45:30,973 Speaker 4: Right, let's get into that. Eight one hundred and eighty 916 00:45:31,053 --> 00:45:33,853 Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two nine 917 00:45:33,893 --> 00:45:36,453 Speaker 4: two is the text number. It is twelve past two. 918 00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:40,252 Speaker 4: Back very shortly. Here on News Talks edb Wow. 919 00:45:40,653 --> 00:45:44,573 Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoons 920 00:45:44,693 --> 00:45:48,693 Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety, turn every journey into something special. 921 00:45:48,773 --> 00:45:50,533 Speaker 2: Call oh, eight hundred eighty eight. 922 00:45:50,813 --> 00:45:54,573 Speaker 4: News Talk said, be good afternoon. We're talking about sickly 923 00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:57,613 Speaker 4: even New Zealand. So New Zealand staff six days had 924 00:45:57,653 --> 00:46:00,213 Speaker 4: a record high in twenty twenty three. That's according to 925 00:46:00,253 --> 00:46:03,573 Speaker 4: a Southern Cross Health Insurance and Business en z study. 926 00:46:03,613 --> 00:46:07,373 Speaker 4: Are we taking sickies far too often in New Zealand? 927 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,653 Speaker 4: And if you've court one of your employees taken sicky 928 00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:13,573 Speaker 4: when they went sick, love to hear from you. 929 00:46:14,733 --> 00:46:17,293 Speaker 3: Yeah. Social media is great for writing people out on 930 00:46:17,373 --> 00:46:18,093 Speaker 3: fake sick days. 931 00:46:18,693 --> 00:46:20,293 Speaker 4: Just quickly before we go to the calls. Have you 932 00:46:20,453 --> 00:46:23,773 Speaker 4: ever called out one of your colleagues for taking us 933 00:46:23,773 --> 00:46:24,893 Speaker 4: SICKI when they weren't sick. 934 00:46:25,093 --> 00:46:27,853 Speaker 3: I was involved as I worked as a television producer 935 00:46:27,853 --> 00:46:30,773 Speaker 3: for a very long time, as you know, and there 936 00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:35,453 Speaker 3: was one person that was billing me when stupidly didn't 937 00:46:35,453 --> 00:46:37,333 Speaker 3: know that I was following his wife on social media. 938 00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:42,172 Speaker 3: So the day he's billing there is pictures of him 939 00:46:42,213 --> 00:46:43,292 Speaker 3: on a boat fishing. 940 00:46:43,053 --> 00:46:46,293 Speaker 4: Amateur and much and you called him out. You said, Hey, 941 00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:48,573 Speaker 4: some solid work you're doing there on the boat. Well 942 00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:49,533 Speaker 4: that snapper. 943 00:46:49,693 --> 00:46:54,053 Speaker 3: Look, let's just say that that he wasn't employed again. 944 00:46:55,493 --> 00:46:56,973 Speaker 4: Fellow, how are you this afternoon? 945 00:46:57,813 --> 00:46:58,013 Speaker 18: Good? 946 00:46:58,013 --> 00:46:59,013 Speaker 17: Follows? Are you? Yeah? 947 00:46:59,093 --> 00:46:59,333 Speaker 20: Good? 948 00:46:59,413 --> 00:47:00,973 Speaker 4: What's your take on the sick leave? 949 00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:05,692 Speaker 17: Oh man? And a lot of the companies I've worked 950 00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:11,453 Speaker 17: for I've caught them frequent players and it's been it's 951 00:47:11,533 --> 00:47:14,853 Speaker 17: been an ongoing issue for both of the companies that 952 00:47:14,893 --> 00:47:20,133 Speaker 17: I've worked for, And yeah, it's been. I noticed it's 953 00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:21,933 Speaker 17: a lot of that's a lot of the younger generation 954 00:47:22,493 --> 00:47:25,213 Speaker 17: that are taking these sick days, you know, and I 955 00:47:25,893 --> 00:47:30,173 Speaker 17: just think that they don't have the responsibility in terms 956 00:47:30,213 --> 00:47:33,732 Speaker 17: of not wanting to turn up to work. But yeah, 957 00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:36,053 Speaker 17: like how you said you have as stuff will actually 958 00:47:36,173 --> 00:47:40,173 Speaker 17: caught people an act of pulling, taking taking the pussy, 959 00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:43,093 Speaker 17: you know. And I've had a couple at my first 960 00:47:43,173 --> 00:47:46,533 Speaker 17: job that I ever took wre was she she showed 961 00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:48,053 Speaker 17: up to work one day and I was just like, 962 00:47:49,293 --> 00:47:52,293 Speaker 17: how's and she'll be like, oh, it's pretty good. And 963 00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:54,133 Speaker 17: then I'll be I was like, oh, it's quite funny 964 00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:56,733 Speaker 17: because he run me saying it was like second he 965 00:47:56,813 --> 00:47:58,573 Speaker 17: was doing this and doing that, and she kind of 966 00:47:58,613 --> 00:48:02,172 Speaker 17: looked at me sideways, you know. And then you'd come 967 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,573 Speaker 17: to work the next day and you apply for sick leave, 968 00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:06,493 Speaker 17: and then I'll just tell them, you know, just like 969 00:48:07,453 --> 00:48:12,573 Speaker 17: I spoke of your partner and she said, you're, oh goody, 970 00:48:12,773 --> 00:48:16,093 Speaker 17: And then he'll just look at me and just go yeah, 971 00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:19,172 Speaker 17: just hangover, you know, just and like you said, well, 972 00:48:19,213 --> 00:48:21,133 Speaker 17: I just said, just be honest, you know, and that's 973 00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:24,533 Speaker 17: all I asked for, you know, rather you just tell 974 00:48:24,573 --> 00:48:27,453 Speaker 17: me the truth and you're hungover, because obviously it's a 975 00:48:27,493 --> 00:48:29,853 Speaker 17: health and safety risk of letting them come to work 976 00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:32,933 Speaker 17: where they know they hungover. So I'll be like sweet 977 00:48:33,053 --> 00:48:36,333 Speaker 17: or good, just don't let it happen again, you know. 978 00:48:36,373 --> 00:48:39,453 Speaker 2: And yeah, so if someone but if someone takes a 979 00:48:39,493 --> 00:48:41,573 Speaker 2: sick day because they hungover, that that can't be one 980 00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:43,732 Speaker 2: of the teen days you can't, you can. 981 00:48:44,773 --> 00:48:47,652 Speaker 17: That will will rank that as leave without pain. 982 00:48:47,773 --> 00:48:49,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be right. 983 00:48:49,973 --> 00:48:52,893 Speaker 17: Yeah, definitely, And it would just be just an on conversation. 984 00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:55,853 Speaker 17: And I'll ask me how come I don't qualify for 985 00:48:55,893 --> 00:48:58,053 Speaker 17: sickly And I said, look that you're not sick, that's 986 00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:01,733 Speaker 17: self inflicted. And what makes it worse? You you like 987 00:49:01,813 --> 00:49:04,293 Speaker 17: about it? You know, like I could potentially take this 988 00:49:04,653 --> 00:49:08,493 Speaker 17: situation further, but I'd rather just resolve at hill, but. 989 00:49:08,493 --> 00:49:09,253 Speaker 21: I'd know that down. 990 00:49:09,293 --> 00:49:11,292 Speaker 17: I'll put it in your foels. So if it does 991 00:49:11,293 --> 00:49:14,172 Speaker 17: happen again, then we'll have to take that next step 992 00:49:14,173 --> 00:49:16,893 Speaker 17: to hr and and and I'll always be honest and 993 00:49:16,973 --> 00:49:19,093 Speaker 17: upfront with them. I'd just be like, look, you guys 994 00:49:19,093 --> 00:49:21,413 Speaker 17: put me in a situation. You know. I didn't like 995 00:49:21,893 --> 00:49:26,213 Speaker 17: doing this kind of disciplinary with you guys. By you 996 00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:29,933 Speaker 17: you do it to yourself, you know. Yeah, but it 997 00:49:30,013 --> 00:49:32,333 Speaker 17: was funny, like the most recent one I had at 998 00:49:32,373 --> 00:49:35,293 Speaker 17: my company that I met now sorry, the young girl 999 00:49:35,413 --> 00:49:38,493 Speaker 17: ringing up saying she had the ultimate headaches? I kidding? 1000 00:49:38,573 --> 00:49:38,772 Speaker 18: Ay? 1001 00:49:38,773 --> 00:49:39,573 Speaker 17: Is that that? That's fine? 1002 00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:39,773 Speaker 2: You know? 1003 00:49:40,373 --> 00:49:42,373 Speaker 17: And then me and my son ended up shooting up 1004 00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:44,453 Speaker 17: for lunch. And then I was just sitting there in 1005 00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:46,652 Speaker 17: the food court sitting went and then who do I 1006 00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:48,493 Speaker 17: see this? Young girls just walked fast and I was 1007 00:49:48,533 --> 00:49:51,652 Speaker 17: like hey, and I said to my son, I said, son, 1008 00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:53,773 Speaker 17: go run over to the young girl did and introduce 1009 00:49:53,813 --> 00:49:56,853 Speaker 17: herself and runs in and goes, hi, my name is 1010 00:49:57,733 --> 00:49:59,973 Speaker 17: and she's like looking around and then she's spot me. 1011 00:50:00,013 --> 00:50:03,333 Speaker 17: I just give it a big wave and then just 1012 00:50:03,453 --> 00:50:06,413 Speaker 17: stole over it and I was just like, how's the headache? 1013 00:50:06,413 --> 00:50:10,253 Speaker 17: Then just like looked at me and just went pale, 1014 00:50:10,493 --> 00:50:12,773 Speaker 17: you know, And I just said, I will just leave it, 1015 00:50:12,973 --> 00:50:15,653 Speaker 17: you know, enjoy your day off, but I'll see you 1016 00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:18,333 Speaker 17: on Monday. She's like, I came in see this and 1017 00:50:18,373 --> 00:50:21,013 Speaker 17: then she just fucked up on Monday. But with her 1018 00:50:21,173 --> 00:50:24,413 Speaker 17: like I gave her a little of expectation. I said, 1019 00:50:24,413 --> 00:50:29,013 Speaker 17: look like for me personally, I've come I was young, 1020 00:50:29,173 --> 00:50:31,973 Speaker 17: you know, like, so I have built sickly And they're like, 1021 00:50:32,053 --> 00:50:34,853 Speaker 17: don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect. But then that's 1022 00:50:34,853 --> 00:50:36,933 Speaker 17: what I tell them. I said, Look, I I just 1023 00:50:36,933 --> 00:50:39,053 Speaker 17: want you to be honest, you know. And that's all 1024 00:50:39,093 --> 00:50:43,853 Speaker 17: it is, you know, to me, honestly as well as 1025 00:50:43,893 --> 00:50:46,893 Speaker 17: worth a million dollars in mice, you know, I feel honest. 1026 00:50:47,253 --> 00:50:49,773 Speaker 17: I'm more than happy to give you that day off, 1027 00:50:49,773 --> 00:50:50,813 Speaker 17: but I'll be leave. What's up? 1028 00:50:50,853 --> 00:50:51,013 Speaker 18: Pay? 1029 00:50:51,253 --> 00:50:51,733 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1030 00:50:51,853 --> 00:50:54,453 Speaker 2: Now what do you make? So in your work you 1031 00:50:54,533 --> 00:50:58,213 Speaker 2: can't work if you're hungover? Is that right? If it? 1032 00:50:58,373 --> 00:50:58,413 Speaker 1: Is? 1033 00:50:58,453 --> 00:51:00,533 Speaker 2: There a dangerousue if you work when you hungover. 1034 00:51:01,213 --> 00:51:05,333 Speaker 17: There's a potential eyes you know, like everyone's still under 1035 00:51:05,373 --> 00:51:09,093 Speaker 17: the influence within twelve to twenty four hours. So working 1036 00:51:09,133 --> 00:51:11,413 Speaker 17: heavy machinery, you don't really want to take that risk. 1037 00:51:11,773 --> 00:51:14,692 Speaker 17: So you try and eliminate all these risk factors out 1038 00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:17,212 Speaker 17: of the situation, and you kind of it's not only 1039 00:51:17,293 --> 00:51:20,893 Speaker 17: keeping themselves safe, you're keeping others around them safe. And 1040 00:51:21,013 --> 00:51:23,493 Speaker 17: and that's the main goal for each person or each 1041 00:51:23,533 --> 00:51:27,252 Speaker 17: super as a last manager, you want to just get 1042 00:51:27,653 --> 00:51:30,893 Speaker 17: each individual home or home the way they walked into 1043 00:51:30,933 --> 00:51:33,613 Speaker 17: the building, you know, and for me especially, that's one 1044 00:51:33,613 --> 00:51:35,493 Speaker 17: of my main factors. 1045 00:51:34,573 --> 00:51:36,213 Speaker 2: In appreciate that. 1046 00:51:36,373 --> 00:51:37,813 Speaker 17: But you know, you know, one of the things goes 1047 00:51:37,933 --> 00:51:41,533 Speaker 17: I noticed was how you follow said that everyone in 1048 00:51:41,573 --> 00:51:44,853 Speaker 17: New Zealand gets ten sick days, and that falls under 1049 00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,973 Speaker 17: the window of when you have to care for your spouse. 1050 00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:51,733 Speaker 17: You're dependent at my company that I'm at now, so 1051 00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:55,173 Speaker 17: you get ten days sickly for yourself and you get 1052 00:51:55,213 --> 00:51:59,693 Speaker 17: five days domestic live to look after a dependent your wife, 1053 00:51:59,893 --> 00:52:01,493 Speaker 17: your grandmother or your mother. 1054 00:52:01,373 --> 00:52:04,013 Speaker 16: On top of them, on top of the tead, so 1055 00:52:04,133 --> 00:52:05,253 Speaker 16: we get three weeks. 1056 00:52:05,453 --> 00:52:08,253 Speaker 17: Wow, that's real generous man. And a lot of the 1057 00:52:08,453 --> 00:52:11,973 Speaker 17: guys what I said, we call them frequent fires all. 1058 00:52:12,493 --> 00:52:17,053 Speaker 17: They all seem to have five kids. 1059 00:52:18,333 --> 00:52:22,732 Speaker 3: They make that generosity exactly fifteen days, exactly fifteen days 1060 00:52:22,733 --> 00:52:23,013 Speaker 3: a year. 1061 00:52:23,973 --> 00:52:25,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. 1062 00:52:25,653 --> 00:52:26,213 Speaker 2: Paul, Philip. 1063 00:52:26,293 --> 00:52:33,333 Speaker 3: Appreciate that, mate, Philip, thank you very much. 1064 00:52:35,493 --> 00:52:37,773 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, because because there's jobs. 1065 00:52:37,573 --> 00:52:39,652 Speaker 3: Where you can't work with you you're hungover, right, and 1066 00:52:39,693 --> 00:52:40,573 Speaker 3: then of course you've got. 1067 00:52:40,413 --> 00:52:41,573 Speaker 2: To be honest in that situation. 1068 00:52:41,693 --> 00:52:43,693 Speaker 3: Just ringing up and saying I'm sack and you know 1069 00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:44,493 Speaker 3: you're gonna get caught out. 1070 00:52:44,533 --> 00:52:45,373 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 1071 00:52:45,653 --> 00:52:47,893 Speaker 3: But I've got the saying that I've always said to 1072 00:52:47,933 --> 00:52:50,133 Speaker 3: my son because he works. I said, if you go 1073 00:52:50,173 --> 00:52:51,533 Speaker 3: out with the boys, This is the same that was 1074 00:52:51,573 --> 00:52:52,773 Speaker 3: told to me when I was a kid. If you 1075 00:52:52,813 --> 00:52:54,053 Speaker 3: go at the boys, you got to get up with 1076 00:52:54,053 --> 00:52:57,133 Speaker 3: the men. If you're willing to go out with the 1077 00:52:57,133 --> 00:53:00,013 Speaker 3: boys at that that night, then you have to do 1078 00:53:00,053 --> 00:53:02,053 Speaker 3: the hard part of that, which is getting up and 1079 00:53:02,093 --> 00:53:04,293 Speaker 3: working a full day and putting in a proper day afterwards. 1080 00:53:04,333 --> 00:53:05,613 Speaker 2: If you go out the boys, you've got to get 1081 00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:07,173 Speaker 2: up with the mint. All right, Jay, there you go. 1082 00:53:07,253 --> 00:53:09,813 Speaker 4: Do you think the employers, because I've seen some people 1083 00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:13,692 Speaker 4: turn up hungover to the job and they are just absolute. 1084 00:53:14,173 --> 00:53:17,453 Speaker 4: They're useless, They fall asleep at their desk, they whine 1085 00:53:17,493 --> 00:53:19,573 Speaker 4: the whole day. If from an employer and someone turns 1086 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:22,173 Speaker 4: up like that, it's just go home. Just what do 1087 00:53:22,213 --> 00:53:22,773 Speaker 4: you see you're doing? 1088 00:53:22,893 --> 00:53:26,333 Speaker 2: What about this text here? Tyler? Being hungover? Can you 1089 00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:27,213 Speaker 2: flick on that please? 1090 00:53:27,853 --> 00:53:30,493 Speaker 3: Being hungover is a legit sick day. There was a 1091 00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:32,053 Speaker 3: court case over it a few years ago. What's the 1092 00:53:32,093 --> 00:53:34,212 Speaker 3: difference between drinking too much or just banging your head 1093 00:53:34,213 --> 00:53:36,373 Speaker 3: against the brick wall. Well, I don't think you should 1094 00:53:36,413 --> 00:53:38,333 Speaker 3: get a day off if you stay up late at 1095 00:53:38,413 --> 00:53:39,733 Speaker 3: night banging your head against. 1096 00:53:39,413 --> 00:53:41,733 Speaker 2: The brick wall, either, questions. 1097 00:53:41,733 --> 00:53:42,293 Speaker 4: That's just about it. 1098 00:53:42,373 --> 00:53:43,373 Speaker 2: That seems like a you problem. 1099 00:53:45,093 --> 00:53:48,653 Speaker 4: I like this text yiday, guys. Our company pays employees 1100 00:53:48,773 --> 00:53:51,692 Speaker 4: one hundred dollars for every sick day they don't take, 1101 00:53:51,973 --> 00:53:54,933 Speaker 4: so at Christmas they can receive a one thousand dollar bonus. 1102 00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:57,212 Speaker 4: That's not bad, is it. How do you feel about 1103 00:53:57,333 --> 00:54:00,373 Speaker 4: so your employer says, if you don't use all of 1104 00:54:00,413 --> 00:54:02,652 Speaker 4: your secular leave per year, we'll pay you one hundred 1105 00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:03,893 Speaker 4: bucks for every day you don't use. 1106 00:54:03,973 --> 00:54:05,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've got hysterical about that. 1107 00:54:05,573 --> 00:54:07,813 Speaker 3: I believe in heard immunity, So I think that if 1108 00:54:07,853 --> 00:54:10,293 Speaker 3: you want people to bring their sicknesses in so I 1109 00:54:10,293 --> 00:54:11,933 Speaker 3: can get it and I can become a more powerful 1110 00:54:11,933 --> 00:54:13,213 Speaker 3: person by catching their sickness. 1111 00:54:13,213 --> 00:54:14,413 Speaker 2: So yeah, I would support. 1112 00:54:14,133 --> 00:54:17,413 Speaker 4: That, noticed noted. Yeah, see, I'll pack a couple of weekends. 1113 00:54:17,453 --> 00:54:20,093 Speaker 2: I'll be bringing everything like and our tenure together on 1114 00:54:20,093 --> 00:54:20,933 Speaker 2: the show. I'm going to bring you. 1115 00:54:21,013 --> 00:54:22,213 Speaker 3: This is going to be a petri dish of a 1116 00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:23,773 Speaker 3: room here with the diseases I. 1117 00:54:23,773 --> 00:54:27,573 Speaker 4: Bring in already is twenty three pasts too, Begbary shortly. 1118 00:54:27,613 --> 00:54:29,093 Speaker 4: OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 1119 00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:38,933 Speaker 4: to call. 1120 00:54:34,093 --> 00:54:37,493 Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and 1121 00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:38,333 Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. 1122 00:54:38,373 --> 00:54:42,933 Speaker 4: On News Talk ZB news Talks B twenty five past two. 1123 00:54:43,133 --> 00:54:47,013 Speaker 3: We're talking about six days because New Zealand's staff sick 1124 00:54:47,173 --> 00:54:50,973 Speaker 3: days had a record high in twenty twenty three. Most workers, 1125 00:54:50,973 --> 00:54:53,293 Speaker 3: by Laura, entitled to ten sick days, and a lot 1126 00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,652 Speaker 3: of people seem to take them. I don't think many 1127 00:54:55,693 --> 00:54:58,253 Speaker 3: could beat cousin Jacko. It's the late nineteen nineties. He 1128 00:54:58,333 --> 00:55:02,212 Speaker 3: pulled a sicky on Friday and guess who's drunken face 1129 00:55:02,293 --> 00:55:03,813 Speaker 3: was seen on the six o'clock news. 1130 00:55:03,653 --> 00:55:05,013 Speaker 2: At the big day out on. 1131 00:55:05,253 --> 00:55:08,933 Speaker 3: Jacko was unemployed by Monday morning, and three days later 1132 00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:12,373 Speaker 3: Jacket flew out to Perth to live with his uncle, 1133 00:55:12,373 --> 00:55:14,333 Speaker 3: who served twenty years in the army. Jacko now runs 1134 00:55:14,333 --> 00:55:18,693 Speaker 3: his own truck company. Forever grateful to our Nan Jade 1135 00:55:18,933 --> 00:55:23,053 Speaker 3: who flew him out to flew him out to Perth anyway. 1136 00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:26,053 Speaker 4: Get a week down for cousin JACKO and the great story. 1137 00:55:26,053 --> 00:55:27,333 Speaker 2: It was actually great for cousin Jack. 1138 00:55:28,133 --> 00:55:30,733 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten and his number to 1139 00:55:30,813 --> 00:55:34,293 Speaker 4: call Elijah. How are you? 1140 00:55:34,493 --> 00:55:36,253 Speaker 20: Oh, Matt, good mate, yourself? 1141 00:55:36,653 --> 00:55:40,773 Speaker 3: Very good? Thank you. You take a lot of sickies, No, 1142 00:55:40,893 --> 00:55:41,252 Speaker 3: I got. 1143 00:55:41,493 --> 00:55:44,652 Speaker 20: I get ten ten days a week, ten days a year. 1144 00:55:44,733 --> 00:55:45,373 Speaker 17: It's sick leave. 1145 00:55:45,413 --> 00:55:49,613 Speaker 20: I've accumulated twenty never taken a sick leave day since 1146 00:55:49,693 --> 00:55:53,693 Speaker 20: being on my employee for ten years. And basically every 1147 00:55:53,733 --> 00:55:57,093 Speaker 20: payday or every fortnight we get three percent on top 1148 00:55:57,133 --> 00:55:57,853 Speaker 20: of our wages. 1149 00:55:58,093 --> 00:55:59,172 Speaker 17: If we don't take sick leave. 1150 00:55:59,733 --> 00:56:01,293 Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's generous. 1151 00:56:01,293 --> 00:56:03,013 Speaker 3: So when you say you don't take sick days, have 1152 00:56:03,053 --> 00:56:04,973 Speaker 3: you been sick and gone to work anyway? 1153 00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:09,853 Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm you only if I wasn't pageous. But you know, 1154 00:56:10,053 --> 00:56:12,533 Speaker 20: I just keep my sackage well when I really actually 1155 00:56:12,533 --> 00:56:14,573 Speaker 20: need it, because you never know when you actually need it. 1156 00:56:15,293 --> 00:56:17,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's that's a that's a 1157 00:56:17,573 --> 00:56:19,333 Speaker 3: good point. You know, like you take your ten days 1158 00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,493 Speaker 3: because you're going to music festivals and then you. 1159 00:56:21,493 --> 00:56:23,172 Speaker 2: Actually actually get sick. 1160 00:56:23,333 --> 00:56:25,933 Speaker 3: So do you think your employee appreciates that and it 1161 00:56:26,533 --> 00:56:29,093 Speaker 3: acknowledges that to you and you said that you're getting 1162 00:56:29,093 --> 00:56:31,133 Speaker 3: a little sort of bonus for it. But do they 1163 00:56:31,133 --> 00:56:33,853 Speaker 3: think that you're a better employee because you're you're always there? 1164 00:56:35,053 --> 00:56:38,733 Speaker 20: They don't, because it's not about promotion. It's I've just 1165 00:56:38,813 --> 00:56:41,172 Speaker 20: been you know, going up, going up little steps every 1166 00:56:41,253 --> 00:56:43,813 Speaker 20: year on job placements, you know what I need to do, 1167 00:56:44,493 --> 00:56:48,172 Speaker 20: and just being promoted to supervisors. So yeah, it's really good. 1168 00:56:48,213 --> 00:56:50,013 Speaker 20: You know, I think they appreciate it very much. 1169 00:56:50,653 --> 00:56:53,053 Speaker 4: Well, what would you reckon about the idea, Elijah, of 1170 00:56:53,133 --> 00:56:55,893 Speaker 4: making everybody's a sick leave? How much is I into 1171 00:56:55,973 --> 00:56:59,493 Speaker 4: each and the individual employee transparent of the company, so 1172 00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:02,093 Speaker 4: you can see who's got the most sick leave available, 1173 00:57:02,173 --> 00:57:05,533 Speaker 4: who's taken the most? Do you think that would be useful, 1174 00:57:05,573 --> 00:57:07,013 Speaker 4: you know, so you can see who the who the 1175 00:57:07,053 --> 00:57:07,732 Speaker 4: team players are. 1176 00:57:08,893 --> 00:57:11,373 Speaker 20: Yeah, it would be It'll be good statistics. You know, 1177 00:57:11,453 --> 00:57:13,813 Speaker 20: it'd be good for the employers to do that, and 1178 00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:16,773 Speaker 20: you know, just get a fair idea of who, when 1179 00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:20,493 Speaker 20: and why sickly has been taken and just to see 1180 00:57:20,493 --> 00:57:23,893 Speaker 20: if there's a passion of you know, happening and what 1181 00:57:23,933 --> 00:57:26,773 Speaker 20: they can do about it to minimize or prevent or 1182 00:57:26,773 --> 00:57:28,893 Speaker 20: return people back to work, even acc you know. 1183 00:57:29,093 --> 00:57:30,693 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Elijah. 1184 00:57:30,733 --> 00:57:32,653 Speaker 3: I appreciate that this text is interesting. 1185 00:57:32,693 --> 00:57:33,053 Speaker 4: Guys. 1186 00:57:33,093 --> 00:57:36,893 Speaker 3: As a teacher, I regularly regularly It's not weird, is it. 1187 00:57:37,773 --> 00:57:42,853 Speaker 3: As a teacher, I regularly take sick days. I regularly 1188 00:57:42,853 --> 00:57:45,613 Speaker 3: take sick days to cope with the job. I can't 1189 00:57:45,653 --> 00:57:49,053 Speaker 3: cope with my job. My job involved some modicum of 1190 00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:51,013 Speaker 3: being able to ruinay mate, I think I need to 1191 00:57:51,053 --> 00:57:53,413 Speaker 3: take aim into our day after that. As a teacher, 1192 00:57:53,453 --> 00:57:55,453 Speaker 3: I regularly take sick days to cope with the job, 1193 00:57:55,893 --> 00:57:59,133 Speaker 3: usually marking or less in preparation. My boss questioned at 1194 00:57:59,133 --> 00:58:01,133 Speaker 3: once and said, if you can't hack it, then leave. 1195 00:58:01,533 --> 00:58:03,893 Speaker 3: And they wonder why nobody wants to be a teacher, Well, 1196 00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:06,893 Speaker 3: you can't be a teacher. That's taking faith. Are they 1197 00:58:06,893 --> 00:58:08,493 Speaker 3: saying that they fake a sick day. 1198 00:58:09,773 --> 00:58:13,493 Speaker 4: To deal with the problem children? It's not sustainable. 1199 00:58:13,533 --> 00:58:16,253 Speaker 2: For one, I mean, you're just gonna be honest, like 1200 00:58:16,373 --> 00:58:19,773 Speaker 2: you can't take a sick day. But I can't believe 1201 00:58:19,813 --> 00:58:21,733 Speaker 2: that the teacher would say that, because I mean, what 1202 00:58:22,253 --> 00:58:24,293 Speaker 2: are you showing. What's the lesson for the kids there? 1203 00:58:24,493 --> 00:58:26,733 Speaker 4: Yeah, and if that's the stress of the job causing 1204 00:58:26,773 --> 00:58:29,813 Speaker 4: you to take these sickies when you're not technically sick 1205 00:58:29,853 --> 00:58:30,533 Speaker 4: or is that stress? 1206 00:58:30,613 --> 00:58:33,813 Speaker 2: Leave or yeah, I get out of the game, you know. Yeah, 1207 00:58:33,893 --> 00:58:34,693 Speaker 2: I agree with your bossy. 1208 00:58:34,733 --> 00:58:36,173 Speaker 3: And the other thing with that is look, and don't 1209 00:58:36,173 --> 00:58:38,013 Speaker 3: get me wrong, I think teachers do a fantastic job. 1210 00:58:38,053 --> 00:58:40,373 Speaker 3: They work really hard, and I don't buy into that 1211 00:58:40,413 --> 00:58:43,613 Speaker 3: whole teachers don't work long hours and don't you know 1212 00:58:43,653 --> 00:58:44,413 Speaker 3: and have two big holies. 1213 00:58:44,453 --> 00:58:45,813 Speaker 2: I don't buy into all that kind of stuff. 1214 00:58:46,373 --> 00:58:48,533 Speaker 3: But if you're a teacher and you don't turn up, 1215 00:58:48,573 --> 00:58:50,613 Speaker 3: then that's a massive stress on someone else. You may 1216 00:58:50,613 --> 00:58:52,973 Speaker 3: be dealing with your stress, but someone's got to replace you. 1217 00:58:53,773 --> 00:58:56,253 Speaker 3: The kids get a different teacher for the day, there's 1218 00:58:56,293 --> 00:58:58,493 Speaker 3: different lessons, there's someone's got to bring the substitute. 1219 00:58:58,533 --> 00:58:59,653 Speaker 2: Someone else has got to cover for you. 1220 00:58:59,933 --> 00:59:01,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, come on, you got to think 1221 00:59:01,493 --> 00:59:02,893 Speaker 3: about other people when you do these things. 1222 00:59:02,933 --> 00:59:04,653 Speaker 4: I think for me, it all comes down to honesty. 1223 00:59:04,693 --> 00:59:06,773 Speaker 4: And I know this is going to upset you. And 1224 00:59:06,973 --> 00:59:09,053 Speaker 4: this is why I'm going to say it that even 1225 00:59:09,053 --> 00:59:11,733 Speaker 4: for the mental health days, if something is going on 1226 00:59:12,133 --> 00:59:14,453 Speaker 4: that is causing you a ment stress in your life, 1227 00:59:14,453 --> 00:59:16,533 Speaker 4: to go to your boss and say, hey, I'm having 1228 00:59:16,813 --> 00:59:19,133 Speaker 4: a bit of difficulty in my outside life at the moment. 1229 00:59:19,213 --> 00:59:21,373 Speaker 4: Can I please have a couple of days to get 1230 00:59:21,413 --> 00:59:24,293 Speaker 4: my head back in the game or whatever it may be, then, 1231 00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:25,893 Speaker 4: as long as you're being honest, But. 1232 00:59:26,213 --> 00:59:28,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you that there could be a 1233 00:59:28,093 --> 00:59:31,573 Speaker 3: stress situation, but I think most mental health days are better. 1234 00:59:31,813 --> 00:59:33,653 Speaker 3: It's better if you face if you go in and 1235 00:59:33,693 --> 00:59:35,333 Speaker 3: be around people, as this text to see because I 1236 00:59:35,333 --> 00:59:37,093 Speaker 3: said this before. Hey, guys, thank you for saying the 1237 00:59:37,093 --> 00:59:38,853 Speaker 3: best thing to do when you're feeling a bit down 1238 00:59:38,973 --> 00:59:40,773 Speaker 3: is to get out of the house and not have 1239 00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:44,493 Speaker 3: a mental health day, get moving, interact with people. That's 1240 00:59:45,973 --> 00:59:49,453 Speaker 3: I believe that generally, But I mean people can get 1241 00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:51,773 Speaker 3: to stress to the point of burnout. And then maybe 1242 00:59:51,813 --> 00:59:53,573 Speaker 3: you say that to your boss. The boss gives you 1243 00:59:53,613 --> 00:59:55,933 Speaker 3: a day to rest or whatever, and that can be 1244 00:59:55,973 --> 00:59:58,173 Speaker 3: one of your allocated sick days. But also you've got 1245 00:59:58,173 --> 00:59:59,733 Speaker 3: to be careful going to your boss all the time 1246 00:59:59,773 --> 01:00:02,813 Speaker 3: saying that you can't handle the channel, yeah, because they're 1247 01:00:02,813 --> 01:00:04,333 Speaker 3: going to go Why would I promote someone who can't 1248 01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:06,733 Speaker 3: handle the chene Yeah, but similar so maybe it's not 1249 01:00:06,773 --> 01:00:08,533 Speaker 3: the boss that you go to on that one. And 1250 01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:10,493 Speaker 3: always remember HR does not work for you. They work 1251 01:00:10,533 --> 01:00:13,293 Speaker 3: with company as well. So you're going around saying that 1252 01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:17,053 Speaker 3: you can't handle your job, then that's a risky thing 1253 01:00:17,093 --> 01:00:17,693 Speaker 3: to get involved in. 1254 01:00:17,773 --> 01:00:20,533 Speaker 4: I believe personally interesting. Now one hundred and eighty ten 1255 01:00:20,573 --> 01:00:23,413 Speaker 4: eighty is a number to call. It is twenty ninety 1256 01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:25,013 Speaker 4: three headlines with railing coming up? 1257 01:00:28,133 --> 01:00:31,773 Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's 1258 01:00:31,813 --> 01:00:34,773 Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's aiming to 1259 01:00:34,853 --> 01:00:38,573 Speaker 14: reinvest money from selling cuying or A homes, particularly in 1260 01:00:38,653 --> 01:00:42,893 Speaker 14: expensive areas, into new housing. Plans to cut costs also 1261 01:00:42,933 --> 01:00:46,573 Speaker 14: include shedding a quarter of their staff. The King e 1262 01:00:46,773 --> 01:00:49,413 Speaker 14: Tanga and the Mardy Queen are being welcomed onto the 1263 01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:53,533 Speaker 14: White Tongy Treaty grants ahead of arrivals by other parties tomorrow. 1264 01:00:54,053 --> 01:00:57,293 Speaker 14: In Zta, s urging motorists heading to Northland for commemoration 1265 01:00:57,453 --> 01:01:02,973 Speaker 14: events to plan ahead with extremely heavy traffic expected. Police 1266 01:01:02,973 --> 01:01:06,493 Speaker 14: investigating the death of a teen motorcyclist near Fargarde last 1267 01:01:06,533 --> 01:01:09,973 Speaker 14: week are asking for sightings of a red Daihatsu on 1268 01:01:10,093 --> 01:01:14,453 Speaker 14: all Taika on Old Taiker Valley Road or Mungakahia Road 1269 01:01:14,893 --> 01:01:18,213 Speaker 14: last Tuesday night, a twenty year old man's been charged 1270 01:01:18,253 --> 01:01:22,493 Speaker 14: with murder. Tariff's being imposed on Canada and Mexico by 1271 01:01:22,493 --> 01:01:25,933 Speaker 14: the US are pausing for a month, with commitments from 1272 01:01:26,013 --> 01:01:29,533 Speaker 14: both countries to bolster protections and staff on their borders 1273 01:01:29,573 --> 01:01:33,373 Speaker 14: with America. A reminder for kiwis to double check life 1274 01:01:33,453 --> 01:01:37,133 Speaker 14: jackets with more than twenty thousand manually inflated hutch Wilco 1275 01:01:37,293 --> 01:01:42,493 Speaker 14: jackets recalled due to a faulty mechanism. Netsafe joins forces 1276 01:01:42,533 --> 01:01:45,853 Speaker 14: with antibody in groups Sticks and Stones and calls out 1277 01:01:45,933 --> 01:01:49,653 Speaker 14: Meta for changes to rules around hate content. You can 1278 01:01:49,693 --> 01:01:52,653 Speaker 14: see more at enzid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath 1279 01:01:52,693 --> 01:01:54,053 Speaker 14: and Tyler Adams. 1280 01:01:53,693 --> 01:01:56,213 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Railan. We're talking about the number 1281 01:01:56,333 --> 01:02:00,733 Speaker 4: of sickies that are New Zealand employees take off per year. 1282 01:02:00,773 --> 01:02:02,813 Speaker 4: It's on the back of a study by Southern Cross 1283 01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:06,853 Speaker 4: Health Insurance that's said in twenty twenty three the number 1284 01:02:06,853 --> 01:02:09,213 Speaker 4: of six days on New Zealand workers took off had 1285 01:02:09,213 --> 01:02:10,053 Speaker 4: a record high. 1286 01:02:10,093 --> 01:02:13,013 Speaker 3: And we had a text from a teacher saying that 1287 01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:17,373 Speaker 3: that he or she often takes sick days fakes being 1288 01:02:17,453 --> 01:02:21,053 Speaker 3: six so they can restarp and this it's a surprising 1289 01:02:21,053 --> 01:02:24,373 Speaker 3: amount of support for that teachers get hit, spat on, 1290 01:02:24,573 --> 01:02:26,773 Speaker 3: sworn at, abused, and the same kid is back in 1291 01:02:26,813 --> 01:02:28,133 Speaker 3: the classroom the same afternoon. 1292 01:02:28,213 --> 01:02:31,253 Speaker 2: Teachers just expected to put up with that abuse. 1293 01:02:31,693 --> 01:02:34,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, that may be the case, but I think you've 1294 01:02:34,173 --> 01:02:36,693 Speaker 3: got to fight that is your problem. You can't fight 1295 01:02:36,733 --> 01:02:39,013 Speaker 3: that with lying to your employer. That just never seems 1296 01:02:39,053 --> 01:02:40,533 Speaker 3: like the right way forward. 1297 01:02:40,653 --> 01:02:42,693 Speaker 4: And that was certainly my point. I think it was 1298 01:02:42,733 --> 01:02:45,893 Speaker 4: our point. That's not sustainable to take her sicky because 1299 01:02:46,493 --> 01:02:48,493 Speaker 4: the kids are problematic and you don't have the support 1300 01:02:48,533 --> 01:02:50,133 Speaker 4: you need. Yeah, you know, it's a temporary measure. 1301 01:02:50,173 --> 01:02:53,133 Speaker 3: You don't seem to be really facing the is she Hey, guys, 1302 01:02:53,173 --> 01:02:55,653 Speaker 3: I pulled a SICKI to go to a week day 1303 01:02:55,933 --> 01:02:59,293 Speaker 3: one one day cricket match in England versus New Zealand 1304 01:02:59,293 --> 01:03:02,133 Speaker 3: at Karasbog and was on the scott News. Pissed off 1305 01:03:02,613 --> 01:03:06,053 Speaker 3: my head shirtless and we're having a huge union Jack Spring, 1306 01:03:06,133 --> 01:03:06,973 Speaker 3: big type cheers. 1307 01:03:07,053 --> 01:03:10,533 Speaker 4: Jimmy had a head end. Did you keep your job 1308 01:03:10,573 --> 01:03:10,893 Speaker 4: after that? 1309 01:03:12,533 --> 01:03:14,293 Speaker 2: Well he might have gotten away with it if he 1310 01:03:14,373 --> 01:03:18,213 Speaker 2: hadn't taken this shit off, waved it around so he 1311 01:03:18,373 --> 01:03:20,253 Speaker 2: was he attracted the attention of the. 1312 01:03:20,253 --> 01:03:23,853 Speaker 4: Camera, found the camera and started showing off yet love it. 1313 01:03:24,133 --> 01:03:27,333 Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, we're talking about sick days. Most people get 1314 01:03:27,333 --> 01:03:27,853 Speaker 3: ten a year. 1315 01:03:27,973 --> 01:03:30,453 Speaker 2: Most workers by Laura and totaled to ten sick days 1316 01:03:30,533 --> 01:03:33,573 Speaker 2: leave for the to care for themselves, partners, children, or 1317 01:03:33,613 --> 01:03:37,533 Speaker 2: other dependents. But in twenty twenty three. 1318 01:03:38,293 --> 01:03:41,093 Speaker 4: A record number of sick days. We had a record 1319 01:03:41,413 --> 01:03:42,933 Speaker 4: Phil afternoon to you. 1320 01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:45,253 Speaker 9: Okay, let's tat you on good good. 1321 01:03:45,453 --> 01:03:48,493 Speaker 4: So, if I'm reading this right, one of your employees 1322 01:03:48,853 --> 01:03:52,453 Speaker 4: almost cost your business by the amount of sickies he 1323 01:03:52,573 --> 01:03:52,973 Speaker 4: was taking. 1324 01:03:53,933 --> 01:03:56,613 Speaker 9: Yeah, so I just it was a first time being 1325 01:03:56,613 --> 01:04:00,373 Speaker 9: softened ployed. I just my wife and I a time 1326 01:04:00,413 --> 01:04:01,693 Speaker 9: he had just cut out a fresh trial. 1327 01:04:02,813 --> 01:04:03,533 Speaker 17: So I was doing. 1328 01:04:03,653 --> 01:04:06,493 Speaker 9: I was working on my own I work in home 1329 01:04:06,533 --> 01:04:10,613 Speaker 9: automation system so home sing and stuff like that, security 1330 01:04:10,613 --> 01:04:12,693 Speaker 9: access control and stuff. You tend to work on high 1331 01:04:12,773 --> 01:04:15,893 Speaker 9: end homes normally. With the job has like a project 1332 01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:18,373 Speaker 9: manager that that runs all the Subcontractor's pretty hard and 1333 01:04:18,453 --> 01:04:19,733 Speaker 9: you get told you've got to be here on the 1334 01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:22,093 Speaker 9: state the house, the press them of it. Anyway, I 1335 01:04:22,173 --> 01:04:23,653 Speaker 9: could have got my business to a port now where 1336 01:04:23,653 --> 01:04:25,373 Speaker 9: I was struggling to sort of you know, just be 1337 01:04:25,453 --> 01:04:28,093 Speaker 9: a one man band, and I took the leap with 1338 01:04:28,373 --> 01:04:30,693 Speaker 9: employing a guy that i'd heard about through somebody else 1339 01:04:30,773 --> 01:04:32,333 Speaker 9: in the area at the time as a young guy, 1340 01:04:33,813 --> 01:04:36,573 Speaker 9: a boy racer, was keen on his cars and stuff 1341 01:04:36,653 --> 01:04:39,693 Speaker 9: like that, and seemed like a really nice guy. This 1342 01:04:39,813 --> 01:04:41,813 Speaker 9: is about ten years ago now, when the government still 1343 01:04:41,813 --> 01:04:44,813 Speaker 9: had as I'm just reimposting, in the three month trial 1344 01:04:44,853 --> 01:04:48,253 Speaker 9: period thing. So I took this guy on. I went 1345 01:04:48,373 --> 01:04:50,933 Speaker 9: well with him. He went real well for the first 1346 01:04:50,973 --> 01:04:53,293 Speaker 9: three months, like he was a good worker and he 1347 01:04:53,413 --> 01:04:55,733 Speaker 9: was keen to learn, and and I thought it was 1348 01:04:56,013 --> 01:04:59,253 Speaker 9: really good. But seemingly almost to the day they went 1349 01:04:59,333 --> 01:05:03,333 Speaker 9: three months, he started calling him sick. You know, it 1350 01:05:03,493 --> 01:05:05,013 Speaker 9: was on the odd day, and then through the two 1351 01:05:05,013 --> 01:05:07,093 Speaker 9: weeks later be another day later, and then it would 1352 01:05:07,133 --> 01:05:10,093 Speaker 9: be calling in on a month day. And then I 1353 01:05:10,173 --> 01:05:11,573 Speaker 9: sort of, you know, of course, about two or three 1354 01:05:11,613 --> 01:05:14,013 Speaker 9: months started identify hand, there's a pattern gun on here. 1355 01:05:14,053 --> 01:05:18,293 Speaker 9: Every Thursday, sorry, every Friday or a Monday, I pretty 1356 01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:21,213 Speaker 9: much count on not not having him coming in. So 1357 01:05:21,653 --> 01:05:23,773 Speaker 9: we had a conversation about it about a few times, 1358 01:05:23,773 --> 01:05:25,173 Speaker 9: and I sort of explained some them, look, mate, when 1359 01:05:25,173 --> 01:05:27,733 Speaker 9: you don't come to work, it really impacts me. And 1360 01:05:28,413 --> 01:05:30,413 Speaker 9: I don't have all this money here I'm doing I'm 1361 01:05:30,453 --> 01:05:32,453 Speaker 9: doing quotes three hours in the evenings while I'm doing 1362 01:05:32,493 --> 01:05:34,013 Speaker 9: the jobs on the weekend. And if I've got to 1363 01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:36,213 Speaker 9: go back and work on you know, during the week 1364 01:05:36,253 --> 01:05:37,253 Speaker 9: and then I've got to go back and work on 1365 01:05:37,293 --> 01:05:39,413 Speaker 9: my own on the weekends as well. I said, I 1366 01:05:39,413 --> 01:05:41,253 Speaker 9: don't get any time off. And not only that, I'm 1367 01:05:41,533 --> 01:05:44,093 Speaker 9: missing my kid and I'm also it's going to make 1368 01:05:44,133 --> 01:05:46,093 Speaker 9: me sick. So that's why I'm fortunate, mate, you know, 1369 01:05:46,173 --> 01:05:48,533 Speaker 9: can I get some commitment to you you're actually dedicated 1370 01:05:48,573 --> 01:05:51,293 Speaker 9: to this? And he was here like, yeah, the Worris 1371 01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:54,733 Speaker 9: So you know, I was finding again for another couple 1372 01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:56,173 Speaker 9: of weeks, and then we had this big job that 1373 01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,773 Speaker 9: was coming up and I sort of said to him, look, mate, 1374 01:06:00,613 --> 01:06:02,573 Speaker 9: we have to be here on Friday because because my 1375 01:06:02,773 --> 01:06:05,333 Speaker 9: trades are finishing trade with some of the last ones 1376 01:06:05,373 --> 01:06:07,053 Speaker 9: that get in. So if we if there's other trades 1377 01:06:07,093 --> 01:06:08,933 Speaker 9: that are before, if that get held up whatever reason, 1378 01:06:08,973 --> 01:06:11,093 Speaker 9: and then it really just sort of condensed us down 1379 01:06:11,253 --> 01:06:13,773 Speaker 9: my time to finish the job. And so I sort 1380 01:06:13,813 --> 01:06:16,053 Speaker 9: of said to him, look, we absolutely have to be there. 1381 01:06:16,093 --> 01:06:18,693 Speaker 9: We can't not be there because the client's apparently moving 1382 01:06:18,733 --> 01:06:20,333 Speaker 9: in on the Monday, the carpet is going to be 1383 01:06:20,333 --> 01:06:22,333 Speaker 9: there in the morning and everything else, and it's all 1384 01:06:22,373 --> 01:06:24,373 Speaker 9: sort of got to happen. So can I get some 1385 01:06:24,373 --> 01:06:26,293 Speaker 9: commitment that you're actually not going to let you down 1386 01:06:26,333 --> 01:06:28,333 Speaker 9: this Friday because it's really done on stuff as mate, 1387 01:06:28,773 --> 01:06:30,573 Speaker 9: and it's the Yeah, there was, And then sure enough, 1388 01:06:30,613 --> 01:06:32,533 Speaker 9: at three o'clock in the morning, I've found out. At 1389 01:06:32,653 --> 01:06:34,613 Speaker 9: six in the morning, I get a text from his 1390 01:06:34,773 --> 01:06:37,333 Speaker 9: mother apparently saying he was too ill and wasn't able 1391 01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:40,373 Speaker 9: to come to earth right. So, needless to say, I 1392 01:06:40,493 --> 01:06:45,493 Speaker 9: was absolutely spelling. I went to the site and just 1393 01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:47,653 Speaker 9: by chance something else had happened there, so it actually 1394 01:06:47,693 --> 01:06:49,693 Speaker 9: pushed us out by another four or five days. 1395 01:06:49,853 --> 01:06:50,893 Speaker 11: So I was lucky it. 1396 01:06:50,853 --> 01:06:52,973 Speaker 9: Didn't sort of it didn't. We didn't need to be 1397 01:06:52,973 --> 01:06:54,573 Speaker 9: there and actually couldn't be there on that day anyway, 1398 01:06:54,613 --> 01:06:56,493 Speaker 9: did as much as I could, but he ended up 1399 01:06:56,493 --> 01:06:59,933 Speaker 9: being a no thing. But being extremely know I knew 1400 01:06:59,973 --> 01:07:02,213 Speaker 9: where he lived, and I drove past his place and 1401 01:07:02,373 --> 01:07:04,333 Speaker 9: on the town. He was a fan of the young guys, 1402 01:07:04,373 --> 01:07:06,093 Speaker 9: and there was a couple of cars on the driveway 1403 01:07:06,613 --> 01:07:09,693 Speaker 9: as well, and I just sat there. I thought, still 1404 01:07:09,733 --> 01:07:11,773 Speaker 9: I go in. I bug it, I'm going in because 1405 01:07:11,773 --> 01:07:14,453 Speaker 9: I was still feeling so went in. The door was 1406 01:07:14,493 --> 01:07:17,133 Speaker 9: sort of slightly jar, and I thought i'd sit down 1407 01:07:17,173 --> 01:07:19,053 Speaker 9: the hallway, and I could hear guys laughing stuff. So 1408 01:07:19,293 --> 01:07:21,133 Speaker 9: I just walked in and there's three guys sitting there 1409 01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:23,853 Speaker 9: with the box of Boozeach flaying PlayStation and he was 1410 01:07:23,853 --> 01:07:25,693 Speaker 9: sitting there with them, have a few beers that were 1411 01:07:25,733 --> 01:07:27,253 Speaker 9: in the flock in the morning doing the same thing. 1412 01:07:28,613 --> 01:07:31,213 Speaker 9: I was absolutely letter it, like I've probably said a 1413 01:07:31,213 --> 01:07:32,933 Speaker 9: lot of stuff that would have come from my position 1414 01:07:32,973 --> 01:07:38,013 Speaker 9: in court, but I didn't care at that point. Left 1415 01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:40,253 Speaker 9: and then about two hours later, I get an abusive 1416 01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:41,893 Speaker 9: phone call from his mother having to go at me 1417 01:07:42,053 --> 01:07:44,213 Speaker 9: and threatened to take me to court and everything else, 1418 01:07:44,253 --> 01:07:46,933 Speaker 9: and I said, basically, bring her on, bring it on. 1419 01:07:47,013 --> 01:07:47,173 Speaker 17: I was. 1420 01:07:47,253 --> 01:07:50,093 Speaker 9: I was still shaking. It's how furious and angry I was. 1421 01:07:50,813 --> 01:07:53,893 Speaker 9: And had we not been able to deliver that job, 1422 01:07:53,893 --> 01:07:55,773 Speaker 9: and it would have really wrecked my reputation in the 1423 01:07:55,813 --> 01:07:57,093 Speaker 9: area at the time because I was just a young 1424 01:07:57,093 --> 01:07:58,573 Speaker 9: guy getting going and I was starting to get some 1425 01:07:58,573 --> 01:08:00,693 Speaker 9: big jobs. But that was quite a big one for us, 1426 01:08:00,733 --> 01:08:02,173 Speaker 9: so there was a lot of a lot riding on 1427 01:08:02,213 --> 01:08:03,013 Speaker 9: it reputation wise. 1428 01:08:03,173 --> 01:08:03,533 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1429 01:08:03,613 --> 01:08:05,013 Speaker 2: So I mean, do you think about you think about 1430 01:08:05,013 --> 01:08:07,653 Speaker 2: that situation there? Sorry, ask you sorry, I'll let you, 1431 01:08:07,653 --> 01:08:09,373 Speaker 2: I'll let you finish story, broach up and there felt 1432 01:08:09,413 --> 01:08:10,773 Speaker 2: it sound like we were getting to the to the 1433 01:08:10,813 --> 01:08:11,253 Speaker 2: crux of it. 1434 01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:13,173 Speaker 4: What did it all end up? 1435 01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:14,133 Speaker 11: Yeah? 1436 01:08:14,213 --> 01:08:16,492 Speaker 9: Ultimately, so he just didn't bother coming to work on 1437 01:08:16,532 --> 01:08:18,372 Speaker 9: the Monday, and he didn't show up all week, and 1438 01:08:18,412 --> 01:08:20,492 Speaker 9: I had a clause in his contract. I just spoke 1439 01:08:20,532 --> 01:08:23,572 Speaker 9: to the advice Bureau of everything else. But luckily, you know, 1440 01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:24,692 Speaker 9: they said to me and we all go back to 1441 01:08:24,692 --> 01:08:26,412 Speaker 9: look at your contract with the generic one I since 1442 01:08:26,452 --> 01:08:29,333 Speaker 9: I got them unemployment lawyer, and it has had had 1443 01:08:29,372 --> 01:08:31,293 Speaker 9: an abandonment clause of five days. And the fact that 1444 01:08:31,333 --> 01:08:33,093 Speaker 9: he didn't call in and he just didn't turn up 1445 01:08:33,133 --> 01:08:36,452 Speaker 9: for five days meant I instantly he was fired right 1446 01:08:36,532 --> 01:08:38,772 Speaker 9: away with with no reason given on my part. His 1447 01:08:38,893 --> 01:08:41,333 Speaker 9: mother called me back on the on the Sunday and 1448 01:08:41,372 --> 01:08:42,812 Speaker 9: said that they were sorry, and then he wanted to 1449 01:08:42,812 --> 01:08:43,973 Speaker 9: come back and I said they he's not done with that, 1450 01:08:44,053 --> 01:08:46,532 Speaker 9: and I explained the situations. Then they still treat to 1451 01:08:46,532 --> 01:08:47,972 Speaker 9: take me the court. And I never heard a word 1452 01:08:47,973 --> 01:08:48,412 Speaker 9: from them. 1453 01:08:48,293 --> 01:08:52,532 Speaker 3: Again, I'm getting involved that. I don't think that the 1454 01:08:52,612 --> 01:08:54,772 Speaker 3: mum should be staying out of that and actually probably 1455 01:08:54,812 --> 01:08:57,772 Speaker 3: having a go at her son along with you in 1456 01:08:57,772 --> 01:09:01,412 Speaker 3: that big situation. But I mean, so it's one thing 1457 01:09:01,692 --> 01:09:05,052 Speaker 3: to get yourself so drunk that you are literally vomiting 1458 01:09:05,133 --> 01:09:07,013 Speaker 3: and can't go to work. You physically can't go to 1459 01:09:07,053 --> 01:09:10,572 Speaker 3: work because you're you're and that's terrible and not great 1460 01:09:10,612 --> 01:09:13,253 Speaker 3: and not a sick day. But maybe you're so incapacitated 1461 01:09:13,293 --> 01:09:15,492 Speaker 3: that you can't actually be a productive member of work, 1462 01:09:16,093 --> 01:09:17,732 Speaker 3: in which case you'd have to ring up and say 1463 01:09:17,772 --> 01:09:21,652 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm an absolute piece of crap. I hate myself, 1464 01:09:21,692 --> 01:09:24,053 Speaker 3: but I can't come in honest. But this guy had 1465 01:09:24,053 --> 01:09:28,173 Speaker 3: to be sitting there and just playing PlayStation with three mates. 1466 01:09:28,173 --> 01:09:32,732 Speaker 3: The PlayStation will wait that that may look. I'm angry 1467 01:09:32,812 --> 01:09:33,452 Speaker 3: for you on that one. 1468 01:09:33,452 --> 01:09:35,532 Speaker 17: Phil, Well, it put me off. 1469 01:09:35,492 --> 01:09:37,532 Speaker 9: Ever wanting to employ anybody again, you know. I mean 1470 01:09:37,572 --> 01:09:39,253 Speaker 9: I kind of had dreams this will be the first 1471 01:09:39,253 --> 01:09:41,213 Speaker 9: guy and then I'll go to the business and everything else. 1472 01:09:41,253 --> 01:09:43,972 Speaker 9: And after that, I was so scared to even dive 1473 01:09:44,013 --> 01:09:46,973 Speaker 9: into that again because the liability of taking somebody on 1474 01:09:47,093 --> 01:09:49,372 Speaker 9: that seems great for three months and then they turn 1475 01:09:49,452 --> 01:09:52,173 Speaker 9: into a lemon and it's an incredibly difficult possession to 1476 01:09:52,173 --> 01:09:54,213 Speaker 9: be And as I mean, I was like twenty seven, 1477 01:09:54,253 --> 01:09:56,692 Speaker 9: I think, give a take. You know, I didn't have 1478 01:09:56,732 --> 01:09:58,852 Speaker 9: a great deal of money. So for me to actually 1479 01:09:58,853 --> 01:10:01,213 Speaker 9: get rid of him legally within the bounds of the law, 1480 01:10:01,293 --> 01:10:04,652 Speaker 9: had he not just sort of broke the abandonment clause 1481 01:10:04,732 --> 01:10:08,652 Speaker 9: or whatever, it would have been impossible for me, lily 1482 01:10:08,772 --> 01:10:10,412 Speaker 9: flying through ricking for the home. 1483 01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:14,452 Speaker 3: So, Phil, have you just continued on self employed and 1484 01:10:14,492 --> 01:10:17,212 Speaker 3: working by yourself? Where have you you got other employees 1485 01:10:17,253 --> 01:10:17,572 Speaker 3: going on? 1486 01:10:18,452 --> 01:10:18,732 Speaker 17: No? 1487 01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:19,412 Speaker 11: No, not at all. 1488 01:10:19,412 --> 01:10:21,452 Speaker 9: I eventually go out on self employed because. 1489 01:10:23,213 --> 01:10:23,812 Speaker 4: So much. 1490 01:10:25,812 --> 01:10:28,812 Speaker 9: I quite enjoy being a well played on these days. 1491 01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:32,012 Speaker 2: Hey God, and you Phil, thank you for sharing that story. 1492 01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:32,812 Speaker 2: Work with us. 1493 01:10:32,812 --> 01:10:34,772 Speaker 4: Man. I mean, that is just straight up betrayal, isn't it. 1494 01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:37,012 Speaker 4: When a guy like Phil clearly he gave the young 1495 01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:39,253 Speaker 4: chap a chance, the guy kept letting them down. That's 1496 01:10:39,293 --> 01:10:41,892 Speaker 4: what it comes down to, just straight up betrayal. And 1497 01:10:41,933 --> 01:10:43,732 Speaker 4: you're right, the mom kidding them to. 1498 01:10:43,812 --> 01:10:47,372 Speaker 3: The man of you coward, that's that's enabling. That's enabling 1499 01:10:47,412 --> 01:10:50,412 Speaker 3: behavior as an employer. This Texas says, I totally disagree 1500 01:10:50,412 --> 01:10:53,052 Speaker 3: with sick days. They are counted as holidays by most people. 1501 01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:56,093 Speaker 3: I have told employees, if you are ill, take it off, 1502 01:10:56,412 --> 01:10:59,213 Speaker 3: but don't abuse it. And if they are ever longer 1503 01:10:59,293 --> 01:11:01,652 Speaker 3: term sick, we will look after them, as we did 1504 01:11:01,692 --> 01:11:03,892 Speaker 3: with a good contractor a few years back. We paid 1505 01:11:03,933 --> 01:11:09,333 Speaker 3: them so missing anyway, you paid them? What's we paid 1506 01:11:09,372 --> 01:11:10,012 Speaker 3: him something? 1507 01:11:10,173 --> 01:11:10,253 Speaker 1: Oh? 1508 01:11:10,253 --> 01:11:14,372 Speaker 2: Okay, to help him out so he wouldn't be so stress. 1509 01:11:14,372 --> 01:11:14,892 Speaker 2: That's David. 1510 01:11:14,893 --> 01:11:16,532 Speaker 3: So that that crossed over the next line. So I 1511 01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:19,892 Speaker 3: got really confused, like we paid him some myth. No, 1512 01:11:19,933 --> 01:11:21,732 Speaker 3: I don't think that's not good? No something? 1513 01:11:21,933 --> 01:11:27,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okayixt quarter turn there very good. 1514 01:11:27,293 --> 01:11:29,293 Speaker 4: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 1515 01:11:29,492 --> 01:11:32,612 Speaker 4: It is quarter to three. Beg very shortly. Listening to 1516 01:11:32,612 --> 01:11:33,493 Speaker 4: Metton Tyler. 1517 01:11:35,013 --> 01:11:38,652 Speaker 1: A fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor Afternoons with 1518 01:11:38,772 --> 01:11:42,532 Speaker 1: the Volvo XC ninety Turn every journey into something special. 1519 01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:45,372 Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty 1520 01:11:45,452 --> 01:11:46,012 Speaker 1: news talks. 1521 01:11:46,013 --> 01:11:49,932 Speaker 4: The'd be thirteen to three. We're talking about sickies. New 1522 01:11:50,013 --> 01:11:52,732 Speaker 4: Zealand staff six days at a record high in twenty 1523 01:11:52,772 --> 01:11:55,972 Speaker 4: twenty three, according to a survey by health insurance company 1524 01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:57,812 Speaker 4: Southern Cross. 1525 01:11:57,973 --> 01:12:00,293 Speaker 2: Trevor, your thoughts on sickies? 1526 01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:02,612 Speaker 18: Yeah, hey going, how are you? 1527 01:12:02,893 --> 01:12:04,333 Speaker 4: God good? Yeah? 1528 01:12:04,333 --> 01:12:06,412 Speaker 18: Look, I just want to say what the last cooler said. 1529 01:12:06,452 --> 01:12:06,973 Speaker 17: I was sort of. 1530 01:12:06,973 --> 01:12:08,892 Speaker 18: Waiting for a while and then he cut someone. I 1531 01:12:08,933 --> 01:12:11,412 Speaker 18: was going to say, I don't know what the days 1532 01:12:11,412 --> 01:12:13,053 Speaker 18: are now, but I do know the last time this 1533 01:12:13,213 --> 01:12:18,692 Speaker 18: was coming out, the most common days on Mondays and Fridays. Yeah, 1534 01:12:18,732 --> 01:12:20,652 Speaker 18: funny man. And of course I was just going to say, 1535 01:12:20,732 --> 01:12:23,652 Speaker 18: you know, if somebody takes all the sick days on 1536 01:12:23,692 --> 01:12:26,012 Speaker 18: a Monday and Friday, well you should just sack them, 1537 01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:28,732 Speaker 18: because like it's very obviously be very hard for a 1538 01:12:28,772 --> 01:12:31,133 Speaker 18: doctor to come up with a medical reason, you know, 1539 01:12:31,213 --> 01:12:34,012 Speaker 18: why why people get really sick on Fridays or really 1540 01:12:34,053 --> 01:12:36,852 Speaker 18: sick on Mondays. So I mean, I just think that, 1541 01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:39,933 Speaker 18: you know, when somebody's got a record of Mondays and Fridays, 1542 01:12:40,093 --> 01:12:42,653 Speaker 18: well I think they're taking it. 1543 01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:45,692 Speaker 3: I think the medical condition is Thursday Thursday, Yeah, and 1544 01:12:45,812 --> 01:12:46,612 Speaker 3: millennium Monday. 1545 01:12:46,812 --> 01:12:48,732 Speaker 4: Can you get a note for being from the. 1546 01:12:50,652 --> 01:12:52,412 Speaker 18: Yeah, and the other thing I was going to say, 1547 01:12:52,452 --> 01:12:54,652 Speaker 18: and look, it's probably something you mean to mak. I 1548 01:12:54,772 --> 01:12:58,213 Speaker 18: just think generally now it's sort of put forward by 1549 01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:03,293 Speaker 18: working groups and counselors and psychologists and trade union type 1550 01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:05,852 Speaker 18: people that you know, if you're not one hundred percent 1551 01:13:05,973 --> 01:13:09,652 Speaker 18: between yourself, I mean physically or meant for whatever reason, 1552 01:13:09,692 --> 01:13:12,093 Speaker 18: you know, you stub your toe or you know you've 1553 01:13:12,093 --> 01:13:13,572 Speaker 18: had a bit of a barnie with the missus, that 1554 01:13:13,893 --> 01:13:15,932 Speaker 18: you know you shouldn't have to go to work. And 1555 01:13:16,013 --> 01:13:19,412 Speaker 18: I just think more and more let's portrayed as you 1556 01:13:19,492 --> 01:13:21,932 Speaker 18: do that, And I'm a little bit like, yeah, man, 1557 01:13:22,053 --> 01:13:23,572 Speaker 18: you know I fight a little bit. I mean I 1558 01:13:23,692 --> 01:13:25,932 Speaker 18: work myself, but I fight a bit of a sniffle 1559 01:13:26,053 --> 01:13:27,692 Speaker 18: or somehow I just go to work. I mean, I 1560 01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:31,013 Speaker 18: can't passing on to someone else. But I just think 1561 01:13:31,053 --> 01:13:34,212 Speaker 18: when the people just keep on portraying that unless you're 1562 01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:37,093 Speaker 18: basically ninety five percent or one hundred percent, yeah, as 1563 01:13:37,133 --> 01:13:40,133 Speaker 18: I say part, you know you shouldn't have to go 1564 01:13:40,173 --> 01:13:41,852 Speaker 18: to work, Yeah, hew, it's more important. 1565 01:13:41,973 --> 01:13:42,892 Speaker 11: Well wrong. 1566 01:13:43,412 --> 01:13:46,293 Speaker 3: I definitely know people and have been around people that 1567 01:13:46,853 --> 01:13:47,973 Speaker 3: they're kind of searching. 1568 01:13:48,053 --> 01:13:50,852 Speaker 2: They're trying to upgrade whatever they've got to be worth 1569 01:13:51,053 --> 01:13:51,772 Speaker 2: a day off. 1570 01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:54,532 Speaker 3: I think there needs to step up be a powerful 1571 01:13:54,572 --> 01:13:59,253 Speaker 3: kiwi and where we celebrate people people for showing resilience 1572 01:13:59,452 --> 01:14:02,412 Speaker 3: and strength rather than celebrating. 1573 01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:03,213 Speaker 2: People for being weak. 1574 01:14:03,772 --> 01:14:06,972 Speaker 3: And I also seriously believe that stress is one thing, 1575 01:14:07,013 --> 01:14:08,492 Speaker 3: and maybe you do need a break, but you to 1576 01:14:08,492 --> 01:14:11,532 Speaker 3: be honest with your boss about that. But if you've 1577 01:14:11,572 --> 01:14:15,892 Speaker 3: got mental health, you're always better around other people. Get 1578 01:14:15,933 --> 01:14:18,532 Speaker 3: out there and do something, and at least get out, 1579 01:14:18,612 --> 01:14:20,893 Speaker 3: get out of the house and do something. If you 1580 01:14:21,013 --> 01:14:22,452 Speaker 3: if you stay in bed all day, I don't think 1581 01:14:22,492 --> 01:14:24,812 Speaker 3: that's great for your mental health personally. And of course 1582 01:14:24,812 --> 01:14:28,333 Speaker 3: there's a wide variety of mental health things, but overall, 1583 01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:30,372 Speaker 3: if you're feeling down, if that's the example of your 1584 01:14:30,372 --> 01:14:32,293 Speaker 3: mental health, I think being around people and getting out 1585 01:14:32,572 --> 01:14:34,612 Speaker 3: is a good way to approach it. But I think, yeah, 1586 01:14:34,732 --> 01:14:36,972 Speaker 3: step up, be a powerful KEI we celebrate our health. 1587 01:14:37,293 --> 01:14:38,492 Speaker 2: Yeah, celerate health. 1588 01:14:38,612 --> 01:14:43,333 Speaker 4: Yeah tagline Trevor, thank you very much mate. Just on 1589 01:14:43,372 --> 01:14:44,852 Speaker 4: you know, getting out of the house. That works if 1590 01:14:44,893 --> 01:14:46,372 Speaker 4: you've got a bit of a sniffle as well, right 1591 01:14:46,412 --> 01:14:49,012 Speaker 4: that if you get out of your bedroom and get 1592 01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:52,093 Speaker 4: out of bed and just march on and have some 1593 01:14:52,133 --> 01:14:54,532 Speaker 4: cold and flu, you feel way better, way better get 1594 01:14:54,532 --> 01:14:55,972 Speaker 4: in amongst people and spreading it around. 1595 01:14:55,973 --> 01:14:57,012 Speaker 2: We've just heard from David again. 1596 01:14:57,053 --> 01:14:58,692 Speaker 3: You know, I read about that text and actually said 1597 01:14:58,732 --> 01:15:02,532 Speaker 3: some myth instead of something, and he just ticks back 1598 01:15:02,532 --> 01:15:05,413 Speaker 3: and said, Hi David again. My employees hear'd your voice message. 1599 01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:08,013 Speaker 3: You've heard the call of mine and I all want 1600 01:15:08,013 --> 01:15:08,692 Speaker 3: to be paid and myth. 1601 01:15:08,812 --> 01:15:09,612 Speaker 2: Now it's going to be. 1602 01:15:11,293 --> 01:15:11,532 Speaker 4: Cool. 1603 01:15:11,612 --> 01:15:12,572 Speaker 2: I'm sorry for that. 1604 01:15:12,572 --> 01:15:13,253 Speaker 4: That's on you, man. 1605 01:15:13,772 --> 01:15:15,053 Speaker 2: That company's not gonna last for long. 1606 01:15:15,333 --> 01:15:17,572 Speaker 4: Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is an number to call. 1607 01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:18,492 Speaker 4: It's nine to three. 1608 01:15:18,572 --> 01:15:22,532 Speaker 1: Back in the moment, the issues that affect you, and 1609 01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:25,012 Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Matt and Taylor 1610 01:15:25,093 --> 01:15:29,372 Speaker 1: Afternoons with the Volbo XC eighty Innovation, Style and Design. 1611 01:15:29,492 --> 01:15:30,093 Speaker 15: Have it all. 1612 01:15:30,213 --> 01:15:33,812 Speaker 4: News Talk sed B, News Talks sed B. We're talking 1613 01:15:33,812 --> 01:15:34,613 Speaker 4: about sickies. 1614 01:15:34,812 --> 01:15:38,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, here's an interesting text here. It's just disappeared. Here 1615 01:15:38,333 --> 01:15:39,333 Speaker 2: it is. I'll just get it back. 1616 01:15:41,093 --> 01:15:43,812 Speaker 3: Hey guys, wake up kiwis what has happened to the 1617 01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:47,013 Speaker 3: renowned reputation of being a hard working Kiwi low productivity, 1618 01:15:47,053 --> 01:15:50,852 Speaker 3: low wage economy, Extra public holidays, doubled six leave, sick 1619 01:15:50,933 --> 01:15:54,333 Speaker 3: leave to ten days, okay, with dependence leave being allocated 1620 01:15:54,372 --> 01:15:57,092 Speaker 3: to those that need it rather than universal extra five days. 1621 01:15:57,253 --> 01:15:59,692 Speaker 3: The gone fishing mentality is hurting the employers and the 1622 01:15:59,732 --> 01:16:02,492 Speaker 3: economy of this country. Look at the US and other countries. 1623 01:16:02,532 --> 01:16:07,052 Speaker 3: We're becoming a nation of pathetic winges. And this other 1624 01:16:07,093 --> 01:16:09,892 Speaker 3: person was saying, you know, if you want to take 1625 01:16:09,933 --> 01:16:12,892 Speaker 3: a day off, actually maybe we should get Buckshe off 1626 01:16:12,893 --> 01:16:13,133 Speaker 3: on to. 1627 01:16:14,692 --> 01:16:17,333 Speaker 2: Front this campaign. He didn't take a day off when 1628 01:16:17,452 --> 01:16:18,973 Speaker 2: what happened to him and nonse. 1629 01:16:18,652 --> 01:16:22,692 Speaker 4: Bring back bark and celebrate out. I like it, Uh, Peter, 1630 01:16:23,133 --> 01:16:23,852 Speaker 4: how are you. 1631 01:16:25,293 --> 01:16:28,772 Speaker 22: Team? I used to be a bit of a when 1632 01:16:28,772 --> 01:16:30,532 Speaker 22: I was managing a bit of a preck on. 1633 01:16:30,412 --> 01:16:31,133 Speaker 17: This sort of thing. 1634 01:16:31,293 --> 01:16:35,333 Speaker 22: I used to jop down everyone's six to leave on 1635 01:16:35,372 --> 01:16:38,572 Speaker 22: the calendar, and when that came up, there six monthly review, 1636 01:16:39,732 --> 01:16:43,053 Speaker 22: show them how many days I've had off and a 1637 01:16:43,213 --> 01:16:47,012 Speaker 22: plane usually formed. And then I changed their day off 1638 01:16:47,652 --> 01:16:53,333 Speaker 22: to the day that they mostly called them and made 1639 01:16:53,372 --> 01:16:56,492 Speaker 22: them because we went work in a supermarket at seven 1640 01:16:56,572 --> 01:16:59,892 Speaker 22: day trading, right, so they had no choice. 1641 01:16:59,893 --> 01:17:00,772 Speaker 8: I gave them eat today. 1642 01:17:00,812 --> 01:17:03,053 Speaker 22: It's like, well, you're always off on a Friday, so 1643 01:17:03,572 --> 01:17:07,092 Speaker 22: this is now your day off, your normal day workers Saturday, 1644 01:17:07,572 --> 01:17:11,133 Speaker 22: and and they kind of stopped really quick that you know, 1645 01:17:11,333 --> 01:17:13,852 Speaker 22: people taking advantage of it. And the other thing I 1646 01:17:13,933 --> 01:17:17,333 Speaker 22: used to do is make them work if they were hungover. 1647 01:17:17,452 --> 01:17:20,173 Speaker 22: I just said to the guys, if you hung just 1648 01:17:20,253 --> 01:17:22,333 Speaker 22: let me know, and you don't have to use the bansil, 1649 01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:25,692 Speaker 22: but you're entitle to, but it's your shift. The next 1650 01:17:25,732 --> 01:17:28,693 Speaker 22: day that was and all I did was go upstairs 1651 01:17:28,692 --> 01:17:30,812 Speaker 22: at lunchtime and wake them up, put them back on 1652 01:17:30,853 --> 01:17:36,892 Speaker 22: the floor. And I had to follow the same the 1653 01:17:36,933 --> 01:17:40,013 Speaker 22: same rule many a time. I went from you know, 1654 01:17:41,253 --> 01:17:44,492 Speaker 22: establishment across the work to want to get three in 1655 01:17:44,532 --> 01:17:47,333 Speaker 22: the morning, and yeah, you just suck it up. 1656 01:17:47,452 --> 01:17:48,133 Speaker 8: You just have to. 1657 01:17:48,213 --> 01:17:53,973 Speaker 22: And you know it's I hate sickly just randomly, at 1658 01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:55,372 Speaker 22: least you've got something gone right. 1659 01:17:55,572 --> 01:17:57,372 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well you got to think of the other 1660 01:17:57,412 --> 01:17:59,492 Speaker 3: people as well. I mean, you may you may want 1661 01:17:59,532 --> 01:18:01,692 Speaker 3: to take a sicky for whatever reason, but that that 1662 01:18:01,933 --> 01:18:04,612 Speaker 3: is really screwing over your other workmates, not not just 1663 01:18:04,652 --> 01:18:06,732 Speaker 3: your employer, but your other workmates. 1664 01:18:06,853 --> 01:18:09,173 Speaker 4: That's when they've got to pick up this. That is 1665 01:18:09,253 --> 01:18:10,932 Speaker 4: just such a slap in the face of those people. 1666 01:18:12,093 --> 01:18:14,772 Speaker 22: Well, it's the thing too, because you only got X 1667 01:18:14,812 --> 01:18:19,333 Speaker 22: amount of staffs you have, you know, have enough people 1668 01:18:19,372 --> 01:18:22,213 Speaker 22: to cover those seven days, so you haven't got an 1669 01:18:22,253 --> 01:18:25,492 Speaker 22: abundance of staff ball on one day. So everyone's got 1670 01:18:25,532 --> 01:18:30,732 Speaker 22: different times off so it is an issue and I 1671 01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:33,652 Speaker 22: don't think having an extra five days on top of 1672 01:18:33,652 --> 01:18:34,612 Speaker 22: the keen moon's out. 1673 01:18:34,973 --> 01:18:38,053 Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for your called Peter, appreciate it 1674 01:18:38,372 --> 01:18:40,972 Speaker 2: and we're going to continue this on because sunny text 1675 01:18:40,973 --> 01:18:43,173 Speaker 2: message coming through and we've got full lines. But if 1676 01:18:43,173 --> 01:18:45,612 Speaker 2: you want to share and eighty ten eighty you we'll 1677 01:18:45,652 --> 01:18:46,452 Speaker 2: find room for your. 1678 01:18:46,532 --> 01:18:48,572 Speaker 4: New sport and weather on. It's way great to have 1679 01:18:48,612 --> 01:18:51,492 Speaker 4: your company is always We'll catch you on the other side. 1680 01:18:51,772 --> 01:18:57,293 Speaker 1: Mazarnie talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and 1681 01:18:57,333 --> 01:19:01,213 Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X ninety News Talk. 1682 01:19:01,293 --> 01:19:04,892 Speaker 4: They be afternoon, welcome back to the show. Being having 1683 01:19:04,893 --> 01:19:08,293 Speaker 4: a great discussion about Kiwi's taken are the old Siki? 1684 01:19:08,692 --> 01:19:10,732 Speaker 3: Yeah, New Zealand stuff. Sick days had a record high 1685 01:19:10,772 --> 01:19:13,372 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. According to Southern Cross Health Insurance 1686 01:19:13,372 --> 01:19:17,012 Speaker 3: and Business New Zealand studies. Most workers, by Laura entitled 1687 01:19:17,053 --> 01:19:20,012 Speaker 3: to ten days sickly a year to care from salves, partners, 1688 01:19:20,093 --> 01:19:23,293 Speaker 3: children or other dependents. But definitely some people are taking 1689 01:19:23,293 --> 01:19:27,372 Speaker 3: the place Yeah festival sick days. There's also thirsty Thursday, 1690 01:19:27,452 --> 01:19:30,572 Speaker 3: leading to a lot of Fridays off and also millennial Monday, 1691 01:19:30,572 --> 01:19:33,012 Speaker 3: which you'd be used to on Monday. 1692 01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:35,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the good old days. Seeh I miss those, 1693 01:19:36,412 --> 01:19:39,293 Speaker 4: but because when we extended it from five days to 1694 01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:41,293 Speaker 4: ten days, and we all know the reason why that 1695 01:19:41,372 --> 01:19:43,852 Speaker 4: got extended, and it brought us closer I think, in 1696 01:19:43,933 --> 01:19:48,253 Speaker 4: line with Australian sick days. But when you increase the allowance, 1697 01:19:48,333 --> 01:19:50,492 Speaker 4: it just means that you increase the allowance for people 1698 01:19:50,532 --> 01:19:51,412 Speaker 4: to take the mick, right. 1699 01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:53,013 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And most people be agreeing with that, And 1700 01:19:53,013 --> 01:19:54,572 Speaker 3: it feels like half the country have texted us on 1701 01:19:54,652 --> 01:19:57,293 Speaker 3: nineteen nine term. We've got some full lines, but we'll 1702 01:19:57,293 --> 01:19:59,612 Speaker 3: make room few on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. 1703 01:19:59,812 --> 01:20:03,813 Speaker 2: But here's a different perspective. Employees are toxic with their assumptions. 1704 01:20:03,933 --> 01:20:07,532 Speaker 2: Employeers are toxic with their assumptions. Mine assumes that I'm 1705 01:20:07,572 --> 01:20:10,612 Speaker 2: taking a day off when we're not needed. People have 1706 01:20:10,732 --> 01:20:12,812 Speaker 2: lives to live and things to do. Right when my 1707 01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:15,012 Speaker 2: boss takes leave, no one has given notice and takes 1708 01:20:15,093 --> 01:20:17,492 Speaker 2: lunch breaks longer than anyone else. And then you work 1709 01:20:17,532 --> 01:20:19,932 Speaker 2: hard to help the boss and company out. But what's 1710 01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:23,412 Speaker 2: the incentive to work through sick days zero? Well, I 1711 01:20:23,412 --> 01:20:23,652 Speaker 2: don't know. 1712 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:25,053 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that's always going to be the 1713 01:20:25,053 --> 01:20:28,052 Speaker 3: way of the world that bosses will. If you're in charge, 1714 01:20:28,093 --> 01:20:30,492 Speaker 3: you get to decide how things go. If you own 1715 01:20:30,532 --> 01:20:33,493 Speaker 3: the company, for example, that you know that that's your prerogative. 1716 01:20:33,732 --> 01:20:36,412 Speaker 3: But if you're working for someone, then they set the rules, right. 1717 01:20:36,812 --> 01:20:39,213 Speaker 4: Yeah. But that's a ballsy strategy, though, isn't it. Because 1718 01:20:39,213 --> 01:20:42,213 Speaker 4: I can not that I've ever employed the strategy that 1719 01:20:42,293 --> 01:20:44,333 Speaker 4: text was saying, but I can understand where they're coming 1720 01:20:44,372 --> 01:20:46,852 Speaker 4: from that if they generally ask for leave, which is 1721 01:20:46,893 --> 01:20:49,213 Speaker 4: different to sickly, if they ask for annual leave and 1722 01:20:49,213 --> 01:20:52,012 Speaker 4: the boss say, nah, we're pretty busy at that time 1723 01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:54,173 Speaker 4: of the year, you got to work it, then the 1724 01:20:54,253 --> 01:20:56,652 Speaker 4: boss takes that time off. I get what you're saying. 1725 01:20:56,652 --> 01:20:58,173 Speaker 4: It's his company, he can do what he likes. 1726 01:20:58,253 --> 01:21:00,173 Speaker 2: And I was talking about the other side of it. 1727 01:21:00,213 --> 01:21:02,212 Speaker 2: But yeah, so you're saying, you're talking about the first 1728 01:21:02,253 --> 01:21:03,253 Speaker 2: side of the check text. 1729 01:21:03,412 --> 01:21:05,692 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so the annual leave side. But then because 1730 01:21:05,732 --> 01:21:08,812 Speaker 4: that boss was being and that that employees view little bit, 1731 01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:12,052 Speaker 4: you know, batcandid to say, hey, it's a two way street. 1732 01:21:12,133 --> 01:21:14,412 Speaker 4: A little bit here, I'm going to take the mic 1733 01:21:14,492 --> 01:21:17,133 Speaker 4: on sick on sick days That's when it starts to 1734 01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:20,213 Speaker 4: get a bit toxic, right, Is that You've got a 1735 01:21:20,293 --> 01:21:23,532 Speaker 4: boss who is kind of looking at employee saying, you're 1736 01:21:23,532 --> 01:21:25,133 Speaker 4: a bit of an ant. You work for me. I 1737 01:21:25,652 --> 01:21:27,333 Speaker 4: make the rules here, and I'm going to make your 1738 01:21:27,372 --> 01:21:28,973 Speaker 4: life a bit miserable. And you want to go to 1739 01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:32,492 Speaker 4: your brother's wedding. Tough bickies, it's busy time. You're not 1740 01:21:32,532 --> 01:21:34,973 Speaker 4: having that, and you'll leave. Then that employee you will say, well, 1741 01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:36,053 Speaker 4: if you're going to be like that, I'm going to 1742 01:21:36,093 --> 01:21:37,492 Speaker 4: take the mic on sick days. 1743 01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:41,452 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, okay, yeah, I get that. But isn't 1744 01:21:41,492 --> 01:21:42,572 Speaker 2: that just the way the world works? 1745 01:21:43,093 --> 01:21:45,812 Speaker 4: Yeah, toxic relationships at work? 1746 01:21:45,933 --> 01:21:49,053 Speaker 2: Maybe I run a bonus system. Basically, you get a 1747 01:21:49,053 --> 01:21:51,133 Speaker 2: bloody good bonus if you turn up to work and 1748 01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:53,333 Speaker 2: don't take the purse. Believe it or not, not, one 1749 01:21:53,372 --> 01:21:56,532 Speaker 2: of my employees ef I got COVID. Bonus systems work. 1750 01:21:56,732 --> 01:21:58,532 Speaker 3: The more you put in, the more you get out, 1751 01:21:58,732 --> 01:22:02,773 Speaker 3: and if you take the piss you get if ah. 1752 01:22:02,572 --> 01:22:05,092 Speaker 2: Sure your face stands for but sounds intense. 1753 01:22:05,732 --> 01:22:08,133 Speaker 4: This is a good text, Giday, guys. One of my 1754 01:22:08,333 --> 01:22:12,293 Speaker 4: staff took bereavement leave for at least six different sets 1755 01:22:12,293 --> 01:22:16,972 Speaker 4: of grandparents, which always included the wives as well. How's 1756 01:22:17,013 --> 01:22:17,372 Speaker 4: that work? 1757 01:22:17,853 --> 01:22:18,053 Speaker 17: Yeah? 1758 01:22:18,093 --> 01:22:20,093 Speaker 3: I had a mate that was moving his mum for 1759 01:22:20,173 --> 01:22:22,852 Speaker 3: so long. He was moving his mum from house to 1760 01:22:22,893 --> 01:22:25,532 Speaker 3: house for about three months. He was always late because 1761 01:22:25,532 --> 01:22:27,652 Speaker 3: he was I've got to move mums. She's moving into 1762 01:22:27,652 --> 01:22:28,253 Speaker 3: a new place. 1763 01:22:28,492 --> 01:22:30,732 Speaker 4: So you can only ride that for so long. I 1764 01:22:30,853 --> 01:22:33,173 Speaker 4: met up as mum got It's a maximum of three 1765 01:22:33,253 --> 01:22:34,412 Speaker 4: days that you could ride that one. 1766 01:22:34,452 --> 01:22:36,532 Speaker 3: Fifteen years ago, I pulled a sticky in Queenstown when 1767 01:22:36,572 --> 01:22:38,892 Speaker 3: a friend was visiting. I then realized that we couldn't 1768 01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:42,093 Speaker 3: really do anything for fear someone would see me. Queenstown 1769 01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:43,852 Speaker 3: was more like a small town at that time. We 1770 01:22:43,973 --> 01:22:47,133 Speaker 3: ended up driving to Wannica for the day, so they 1771 01:22:47,213 --> 01:22:48,412 Speaker 3: solved their problem. 1772 01:22:48,532 --> 01:22:51,133 Speaker 4: There's very good. Keep those teas coming through on nine 1773 01:22:51,173 --> 01:22:54,372 Speaker 4: to nine to two, Dean, How are you this afternoon? 1774 01:22:55,492 --> 01:22:58,973 Speaker 11: Hey guys, good a. Look I'm chuckling at this and 1775 01:22:59,013 --> 01:23:03,973 Speaker 11: the conversation. Look, I'm older gen X and you know, 1776 01:23:04,093 --> 01:23:07,013 Speaker 11: throw over ten wonderful years of the company I worked with, 1777 01:23:07,013 --> 01:23:09,892 Speaker 11: and I was one of the bosses. I ended up 1778 01:23:10,013 --> 01:23:15,612 Speaker 11: with like an amazed, freaking, amazing amount of sickly that 1779 01:23:15,692 --> 01:23:18,692 Speaker 11: I didn't take simply because I thought, you know, I'm 1780 01:23:18,692 --> 01:23:21,972 Speaker 11: doing the right thing, and probably followed through my parents 1781 01:23:21,973 --> 01:23:25,892 Speaker 11: as well. And so I left that company and. 1782 01:23:25,812 --> 01:23:29,732 Speaker 23: I've become a consultant. Of course, I lost all the 1783 01:23:29,812 --> 01:23:35,293 Speaker 23: whole bloody lot sixty plus days or whatever, and I thought, Jesus, 1784 01:23:35,772 --> 01:23:40,093 Speaker 23: all those years, I should have taken sickies just to 1785 01:23:40,372 --> 01:23:43,572 Speaker 23: enjoy it over the each year, to haven't bit of fun. 1786 01:23:43,973 --> 01:23:47,532 Speaker 23: Take some time out, because once you lose it, you 1787 01:23:47,652 --> 01:23:51,572 Speaker 23: lose it forever. And the funniest thing is is that 1788 01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:55,532 Speaker 23: my wife's the opposite. She had her business. Now she's 1789 01:23:55,612 --> 01:24:00,253 Speaker 23: working on a wage and she's happy with that. But 1790 01:24:00,372 --> 01:24:02,652 Speaker 23: she the other day she goes, oh, I need to 1791 01:24:02,652 --> 01:24:06,013 Speaker 23: take a day off because of blah blah blah. And 1792 01:24:06,053 --> 01:24:11,012 Speaker 23: I said, for Girdna's sake, take it. Use your time out. 1793 01:24:11,093 --> 01:24:15,253 Speaker 23: If you've got ten days whatever, use it through the year. 1794 01:24:15,692 --> 01:24:15,892 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1795 01:24:15,893 --> 01:24:18,892 Speaker 3: But when you say, Dean that you lost those sick days, 1796 01:24:19,093 --> 01:24:21,213 Speaker 3: they were never yours. If you weren't sick, if you 1797 01:24:21,213 --> 01:24:24,333 Speaker 3: went sick, then that you haven't lost anything. Those days 1798 01:24:24,372 --> 01:24:28,333 Speaker 3: are to help people that are sick, right, So you 1799 01:24:28,333 --> 01:24:31,492 Speaker 3: haven't lost anything. 1800 01:24:29,412 --> 01:24:38,213 Speaker 2: Married married to day married, Yeah, I don't know. 1801 01:24:38,293 --> 01:24:40,412 Speaker 3: I don't know about that particular, saying we'll move on 1802 01:24:40,492 --> 01:24:41,093 Speaker 3: from that one. 1803 01:24:41,293 --> 01:24:44,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that's a fair point you say, 1804 01:24:44,173 --> 01:24:46,852 Speaker 4: is that just because you've got sick leave there, whether 1805 01:24:46,893 --> 01:24:48,572 Speaker 4: you're entitled to just take it. 1806 01:24:50,772 --> 01:24:53,333 Speaker 3: We've gone on a whole circle here. He's missing a 1807 01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:57,293 Speaker 3: whole point there, Dean. That's ridiculous. Like the point that 1808 01:24:57,333 --> 01:24:59,772 Speaker 3: we were saying is are people just taking those ten 1809 01:24:59,853 --> 01:25:03,213 Speaker 3: days and acting like they're an extra two weeks of 1810 01:25:03,253 --> 01:25:06,173 Speaker 3: holiday basically a year? Right, So he's saying that he 1811 01:25:06,213 --> 01:25:09,333 Speaker 3: went through his whole work and he did take them, 1812 01:25:09,492 --> 01:25:10,412 Speaker 3: and now he feels like. 1813 01:25:10,412 --> 01:25:13,732 Speaker 2: He lost something. Yeah, so you were never entitled to them. 1814 01:25:14,093 --> 01:25:16,372 Speaker 2: They weren't there there if you're sick. 1815 01:25:16,532 --> 01:25:19,492 Speaker 4: But all these people that are texting through saying I 1816 01:25:19,853 --> 01:25:22,772 Speaker 4: accumulated one hundred and twenty days sick leave? How do 1817 01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:26,772 Speaker 4: you When did that happen? I thought the legislation came 1818 01:25:26,812 --> 01:25:29,533 Speaker 4: in some time ago that the most you could accumulate 1819 01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:32,412 Speaker 4: was twenty days. Who's who's racking up one hundred and 1820 01:25:32,452 --> 01:25:33,333 Speaker 4: twenty days sick leave? 1821 01:25:34,213 --> 01:25:34,572 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1822 01:25:34,692 --> 01:25:36,572 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how it works. I don't think 1823 01:25:36,572 --> 01:25:38,092 Speaker 3: that I can't see how that works. 1824 01:25:38,293 --> 01:25:43,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, liars, Oh after eighty is the number to call. 1825 01:25:43,732 --> 01:25:45,412 Speaker 4: We'll take a quick break here and come back to 1826 01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:48,052 Speaker 4: more of your phone calls. It is thirteen past three, 1827 01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:51,732 Speaker 4: sus three. 1828 01:25:51,973 --> 01:25:54,772 Speaker 3: I've always worked in as a sort of a contractor 1829 01:25:54,772 --> 01:25:56,213 Speaker 3: for a very long time, so I don't really understand 1830 01:25:56,213 --> 01:25:58,612 Speaker 3: how sick days work. So it's a crewing of sick days. 1831 01:25:58,612 --> 01:26:00,412 Speaker 3: How does that work? Explain that to me, Tyler, or 1832 01:26:00,492 --> 01:26:02,053 Speaker 3: explain it to me someone on our eight hundred and 1833 01:26:02,093 --> 01:26:03,612 Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. 1834 01:26:03,692 --> 01:26:04,572 Speaker 4: Well, I understand. 1835 01:26:05,053 --> 01:26:07,052 Speaker 3: So if you if you don't take sick days, then 1836 01:26:07,253 --> 01:26:10,852 Speaker 3: they get and so you didn't take them for years 1837 01:26:10,853 --> 01:26:12,492 Speaker 3: and years, so you didn't take your ten a year 1838 01:26:12,933 --> 01:26:17,532 Speaker 3: for twenty years, would they accrue two hundred sick days? 1839 01:26:17,532 --> 01:26:19,933 Speaker 3: And then that you could just be paid out for 1840 01:26:19,973 --> 01:26:21,813 Speaker 3: two hundred days and one years. 1841 01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:23,852 Speaker 4: They must have changed the contract. I mean, I'm laughing 1842 01:26:23,853 --> 01:26:27,093 Speaker 4: because someone says, Tyler, you're absolutely numpty and I'll read 1843 01:26:27,173 --> 01:26:29,492 Speaker 4: out the rest of that text. But as I understand it, 1844 01:26:29,532 --> 01:26:32,812 Speaker 4: everybody is entitled to ten days sick leave, but the 1845 01:26:33,053 --> 01:26:36,652 Speaker 4: most you can accumulate is twenty days before it caps off. 1846 01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:39,333 Speaker 4: So clearly these are all contracts, aren't they? Or read 1847 01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:41,093 Speaker 4: out the numpty one again. Oh my god, they're all 1848 01:26:41,133 --> 01:26:43,333 Speaker 4: coming through thick and fast. It is up to the 1849 01:26:43,372 --> 01:26:47,412 Speaker 4: employer whether your sickly resets or accumulates on your balance 1850 01:26:47,492 --> 01:26:51,692 Speaker 4: every year. I clearly see thirty two sick days leave 1851 01:26:51,732 --> 01:26:55,253 Speaker 4: available on my Pacelet maybe check before calling people liars? 1852 01:26:55,812 --> 01:26:56,372 Speaker 17: Time like that? 1853 01:26:56,452 --> 01:26:57,173 Speaker 4: Right here we go. 1854 01:26:57,253 --> 01:27:00,012 Speaker 3: Let's go called a bunch of people liars as of yesterday. 1855 01:27:00,053 --> 01:27:02,132 Speaker 3: This text it says I have two hundred and fifty 1856 01:27:02,173 --> 01:27:03,572 Speaker 3: six sick days accrued. 1857 01:27:04,293 --> 01:27:05,812 Speaker 2: But how does that work? We should? 1858 01:27:05,812 --> 01:27:08,533 Speaker 3: We should, We need to get employment lawyer to the situation. 1859 01:27:09,133 --> 01:27:10,892 Speaker 3: So if you have two hundred and fifty six six 1860 01:27:11,013 --> 01:27:14,452 Speaker 3: days accrue a sick days in your contract or whatever, 1861 01:27:15,133 --> 01:27:17,372 Speaker 3: does that mean that you can just be sick for 1862 01:27:17,412 --> 01:27:22,013 Speaker 3: as long as turning? Suddenly you I don't know what 1863 01:27:22,532 --> 01:27:24,612 Speaker 3: You've got to turn a fifty six day hangover? 1864 01:27:24,772 --> 01:27:25,852 Speaker 2: Hangover? You can get paid for it. 1865 01:27:25,933 --> 01:27:28,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you get a doctor's note. 1866 01:27:30,372 --> 01:27:33,732 Speaker 3: This says, take your sick days. Bugger your boss. It's 1867 01:27:33,812 --> 01:27:37,212 Speaker 3: been all about them since since Shipley. 1868 01:27:37,692 --> 01:27:39,132 Speaker 2: Well that's going back away Shipley. 1869 01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:40,532 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the name. 1870 01:27:40,572 --> 01:27:42,372 Speaker 2: I haven't heard for a wee while since the ship 1871 01:27:42,412 --> 01:27:43,772 Speaker 2: that's from Tom Andrew. 1872 01:27:43,812 --> 01:27:46,412 Speaker 4: How are you boys. 1873 01:27:46,412 --> 01:27:47,053 Speaker 16: Have I got you there? 1874 01:27:47,173 --> 01:27:49,172 Speaker 4: Yep, gotcha excellent. 1875 01:27:49,253 --> 01:27:52,133 Speaker 16: Hey, now I want to circle back to my point 1876 01:27:52,133 --> 01:27:55,852 Speaker 16: which I actually called for, but I can possibly help 1877 01:27:55,893 --> 01:27:57,772 Speaker 16: you with your clarification. 1878 01:27:57,253 --> 01:27:58,173 Speaker 17: Around the sick leave. 1879 01:27:58,412 --> 01:28:02,053 Speaker 16: I appreciate that, Tyler, you are right that the legislation 1880 01:28:02,492 --> 01:28:05,892 Speaker 16: did change around the time when it increased from five 1881 01:28:05,973 --> 01:28:10,932 Speaker 16: to ten days. Right, because back in my father's days, 1882 01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:14,092 Speaker 16: for example, he's now retired, his sick leave would accrue 1883 01:28:14,133 --> 01:28:15,492 Speaker 16: and a crew and a crew, and he was as 1884 01:28:15,692 --> 01:28:18,133 Speaker 16: old school buger New Zealanders. You never go in sick 1885 01:28:18,213 --> 01:28:21,492 Speaker 16: unless you're dead. Ye, never take a day off. And 1886 01:28:21,732 --> 01:28:26,372 Speaker 16: when he retired he had god knows how many sick days, 1887 01:28:26,372 --> 01:28:31,493 Speaker 16: but it was a stack. But when the legislation increased 1888 01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:35,732 Speaker 16: the amount they have. Employers do have the option of 1889 01:28:35,732 --> 01:28:39,052 Speaker 16: putting a cap in and some have not enforced that cap, 1890 01:28:39,173 --> 01:28:44,612 Speaker 16: which is why some companies will see leave balances flying up. 1891 01:28:45,412 --> 01:28:47,572 Speaker 16: Further to that, when you do have your two hundred 1892 01:28:47,572 --> 01:28:51,732 Speaker 16: and fifty six days owing like one of your sectors 1893 01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:56,972 Speaker 16: might have referred to most reasonable employers, if you're off 1894 01:28:56,973 --> 01:29:01,293 Speaker 16: for a period of time, we'll ask for a proven method, 1895 01:29:02,213 --> 01:29:05,572 Speaker 16: a medical note, the doctor's certificate as to why that 1896 01:29:05,772 --> 01:29:09,652 Speaker 16: length of time gotcham Most of us, you know, mister 1897 01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:12,253 Speaker 16: of us are only taking a day or two offs 1898 01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:17,213 Speaker 16: here and there. So that's kind of the first. 1899 01:29:16,893 --> 01:29:19,412 Speaker 3: Part, kind of just ask before you go on here, Andrew, 1900 01:29:19,452 --> 01:29:24,293 Speaker 3: what does those accumulated texts, so those accumulated sick days 1901 01:29:25,253 --> 01:29:27,492 Speaker 3: gain you or and what do they mean to the company? 1902 01:29:27,492 --> 01:29:30,333 Speaker 3: Are they on the books like holidays are sit on 1903 01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:33,173 Speaker 3: the books for the company as a liability? 1904 01:29:33,173 --> 01:29:38,933 Speaker 16: Different companies, Yeah, different companies recorded differently because different employees 1905 01:29:39,412 --> 01:29:42,732 Speaker 16: use sickles differently, and different companies have different policies and 1906 01:29:42,772 --> 01:29:45,812 Speaker 16: how they enforce it. My old boss was a high 1907 01:29:45,853 --> 01:29:49,452 Speaker 16: trust model. You know, I'll trust you, you'll trust me, 1908 01:29:49,572 --> 01:29:51,572 Speaker 16: and we don't take the piss. But a lot of 1909 01:29:51,612 --> 01:29:54,892 Speaker 16: the corporates, you know, of course your threatenays sick, Well, okay, 1910 01:29:54,933 --> 01:29:56,372 Speaker 16: you return to work. We're going to need to see 1911 01:29:56,372 --> 01:29:59,213 Speaker 16: a medical note for that because you know, the three 1912 01:29:59,293 --> 01:30:04,533 Speaker 16: day hangover or whatever. So, yeah, most of their corporates 1913 01:30:04,572 --> 01:30:06,893 Speaker 16: to run them as a liability. 1914 01:30:08,053 --> 01:30:10,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that we've got a lot of it. 1915 01:30:10,173 --> 01:30:12,093 Speaker 4: We've got to get used, sorry, Andrew. 1916 01:30:12,133 --> 01:30:14,253 Speaker 3: We've got this text here for example, that says, hi, 1917 01:30:14,452 --> 01:30:16,572 Speaker 3: I had forty two sick days, then I had a 1918 01:30:16,652 --> 01:30:19,852 Speaker 3: hit transplant, took all my sick days plus and you 1919 01:30:20,013 --> 01:30:22,812 Speaker 3: leave to cover it. So if that's the case and 1920 01:30:22,893 --> 01:30:25,452 Speaker 3: you can do that, then that is a liability sitting 1921 01:30:25,452 --> 01:30:27,093 Speaker 3: on the box, because. 1922 01:30:27,013 --> 01:30:30,132 Speaker 4: That's absolutely, yeah. 1923 01:30:29,933 --> 01:30:32,652 Speaker 16: Absolutely, And that's why a lot of companies, when the 1924 01:30:32,732 --> 01:30:35,933 Speaker 16: legislation opened up, the option to cap them at the 1925 01:30:35,973 --> 01:30:42,692 Speaker 16: twenty basically limits the company's liability of holding x amount 1926 01:30:42,732 --> 01:30:46,933 Speaker 16: of dollars across the large workforce and so. And the 1927 01:30:46,973 --> 01:30:48,852 Speaker 16: second one was a little bit tongue in cheek. I 1928 01:30:48,893 --> 01:30:51,612 Speaker 16: think in the last hour you said, would it be 1929 01:30:51,692 --> 01:30:56,412 Speaker 16: fair to share sickly balances and usage amongst your colleagues 1930 01:30:56,412 --> 01:30:59,812 Speaker 16: and stuff. Of course you can't do that. It's it'd 1931 01:30:59,853 --> 01:31:03,972 Speaker 16: be highly illegal in the HR space with you know. 1932 01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:08,452 Speaker 2: A sickly trading market in the lunch ray exactly. Know 1933 01:31:08,492 --> 01:31:08,933 Speaker 2: we're going to have. 1934 01:31:10,812 --> 01:31:13,173 Speaker 4: We all know each other's salary, and we all know 1935 01:31:13,253 --> 01:31:14,412 Speaker 4: each other sickly. 1936 01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:17,892 Speaker 16: Well, we we don't really know each other's salaries, you know, 1937 01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:23,333 Speaker 16: in a structured environment, you know, with bands and so forth, 1938 01:31:24,692 --> 01:31:29,372 Speaker 16: you may and then there's the bonus structures and all 1939 01:31:29,372 --> 01:31:33,812 Speaker 16: that sort of thing. But look, just just be mindful 1940 01:31:33,853 --> 01:31:37,852 Speaker 16: of everybody of your situation, in the situation of your colleagues. 1941 01:31:38,173 --> 01:31:40,412 Speaker 16: A lot of stuff goes on in the home that 1942 01:31:40,452 --> 01:31:44,132 Speaker 16: your colleagues don't know about, with six family members, sick kids, 1943 01:31:44,333 --> 01:31:49,452 Speaker 16: your own health issues, and that's what your confidentiality is there. 1944 01:31:49,532 --> 01:31:52,492 Speaker 16: With your boss, he shouldn't be talking about you know, 1945 01:31:52,853 --> 01:31:56,412 Speaker 16: Sam sickle or Bob sickly or Matt sickly, and the 1946 01:31:56,452 --> 01:31:59,372 Speaker 16: reasons why. It's just you know, Matt can't be in 1947 01:31:59,412 --> 01:32:02,132 Speaker 16: today and he'll be back next Tuesday or next Wednesday, 1948 01:32:02,173 --> 01:32:06,093 Speaker 16: for example. That's just a sort of a serious hr 1949 01:32:06,173 --> 01:32:06,732 Speaker 16: head to it. 1950 01:32:07,732 --> 01:32:10,333 Speaker 4: It's a fair and I hear what you and I 1951 01:32:10,372 --> 01:32:13,213 Speaker 4: agree for those who appearents and they've got you know, 1952 01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:15,093 Speaker 4: children who are sick and need to be looked after 1953 01:32:15,253 --> 01:32:17,093 Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and they don't need to let their 1954 01:32:17,093 --> 01:32:21,012 Speaker 4: colleagues know those reasons. But you can understand how singles 1955 01:32:21,093 --> 01:32:23,372 Speaker 4: might feel a bit aggrieved by that if they having 1956 01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:25,933 Speaker 4: to pick up the slack in the in the office 1957 01:32:26,372 --> 01:32:28,892 Speaker 4: because they don't have to take those sick days for 1958 01:32:28,973 --> 01:32:30,573 Speaker 4: children to look after all dependents. 1959 01:32:31,973 --> 01:32:34,652 Speaker 16: Oh very much so. But then that falls back on 1960 01:32:34,772 --> 01:32:37,372 Speaker 16: you know, I've got kids, so I always am mindful 1961 01:32:37,412 --> 01:32:41,412 Speaker 16: of my balance, right am I gonna save, you know, 1962 01:32:41,492 --> 01:32:44,213 Speaker 16: out of my twenty that I'm I'm looking at, am 1963 01:32:44,253 --> 01:32:47,133 Speaker 16: I gonna save sort of five, six, seven, eight for 1964 01:32:47,452 --> 01:32:49,892 Speaker 16: for something at home when something may or may not happen. 1965 01:32:50,853 --> 01:32:54,372 Speaker 16: Absolutely I do. But you know, the other portion of 1966 01:32:54,372 --> 01:32:56,812 Speaker 16: that balance, the other eight or ten. If I'm feeling 1967 01:32:56,812 --> 01:33:00,253 Speaker 16: a bit low one day, or if I'm I don't 1968 01:33:00,253 --> 01:33:02,412 Speaker 16: go out and get on the on the hammer anymore. 1969 01:33:02,412 --> 01:33:03,253 Speaker 17: I'm a bit old to that. 1970 01:33:03,652 --> 01:33:06,812 Speaker 16: You know, if I'm feeling really worn out and run 1971 01:33:06,853 --> 01:33:11,052 Speaker 16: down for whatever reason, I will consider taking a personal 1972 01:33:11,133 --> 01:33:14,532 Speaker 16: day and a sick day, really, very really, I'm not 1973 01:33:14,572 --> 01:33:16,013 Speaker 16: going to go out and hit a tennis ball or 1974 01:33:16,053 --> 01:33:18,452 Speaker 16: a golf ball. I'm probably going to have a quiet 1975 01:33:18,532 --> 01:33:22,213 Speaker 16: day and invested in myself. But yeah, I always always 1976 01:33:22,253 --> 01:33:24,933 Speaker 16: have a good sort of third of my leave of 1977 01:33:25,013 --> 01:33:28,293 Speaker 16: sick leave stored for the kids, stored for when I 1978 01:33:28,333 --> 01:33:30,372 Speaker 16: get properly sick or something similar. 1979 01:33:30,532 --> 01:33:31,213 Speaker 2: Well, think so much. 1980 01:33:31,213 --> 01:33:34,652 Speaker 3: If you call Andrew, it seems like you've thought it through. Hey, 1981 01:33:34,692 --> 01:33:37,492 Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler the organization. I work for a cruise 1982 01:33:37,772 --> 01:33:40,333 Speaker 3: the sick days, and I have been here for nine years. 1983 01:33:40,333 --> 01:33:43,012 Speaker 3: I have sixty six days accrued as of a cruise. 1984 01:33:43,013 --> 01:33:45,132 Speaker 3: You start to look at it as an insurance policy 1985 01:33:45,173 --> 01:33:47,412 Speaker 3: in case you get really sick, so less likely to 1986 01:33:47,412 --> 01:33:50,612 Speaker 3: take a sick day, I leave the country, I leave soon, 1987 01:33:50,652 --> 01:33:53,772 Speaker 3: So the company wins. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what 1988 01:33:54,053 --> 01:33:56,852 Speaker 3: the company doesn't really win, because sick days are there 1989 01:33:57,253 --> 01:33:58,372 Speaker 3: for you to take if you're sick. 1990 01:33:58,732 --> 01:34:01,093 Speaker 4: What business in their right mind would just allow those 1991 01:34:01,093 --> 01:34:03,213 Speaker 4: sick days to accrue and a crew and a crew 1992 01:34:03,412 --> 01:34:05,932 Speaker 4: until you're into like one of those Texas said two 1993 01:34:05,973 --> 01:34:08,732 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty six days. You know there's a balance 1994 01:34:08,772 --> 01:34:11,253 Speaker 4: there accrue in twenty days speat. 1995 01:34:10,893 --> 01:34:12,892 Speaker 2: So when you're sixty four, you're suddenly sick for the 1996 01:34:13,013 --> 01:34:14,653 Speaker 2: entire last year of your employment. 1997 01:34:14,933 --> 01:34:15,213 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1998 01:34:15,253 --> 01:34:18,092 Speaker 3: Anyway, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's so many 1999 01:34:18,333 --> 01:34:21,213 Speaker 3: different permutations and way to look at this issue. So 2000 01:34:21,253 --> 01:34:23,492 Speaker 3: nineteen nine two is the text number. Eight hundred eighty 2001 01:34:23,492 --> 01:34:26,012 Speaker 3: ten eighty. Let's keep talking about sick days. 2002 01:34:26,093 --> 01:34:27,092 Speaker 4: Twenty five past. 2003 01:34:26,853 --> 01:34:34,892 Speaker 1: Three, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh, eight 2004 01:34:34,933 --> 01:34:37,173 Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on us talk ZV. 2005 01:34:37,812 --> 01:34:41,172 Speaker 4: Good afternoon. We're talking about sick leave in New Zealand 2006 01:34:41,213 --> 01:34:44,772 Speaker 4: and whether it started off, whether it's okay to take 2007 01:34:44,812 --> 01:34:48,293 Speaker 4: a sick if you're not sick, and clearly that is dishonest. 2008 01:34:48,572 --> 01:34:51,012 Speaker 4: I'll let this text Kiday. Guys in the police force, 2009 01:34:51,133 --> 01:34:53,692 Speaker 4: we only get the normal amount of sick days, though 2010 01:34:53,732 --> 01:34:56,692 Speaker 4: we used to gift a quarter day sick leave to 2011 01:34:56,732 --> 01:35:00,293 Speaker 4: the Collective Sick Leave Bank each payday, which you could 2012 01:35:00,293 --> 01:35:02,372 Speaker 4: apply to if you had a serious illness and needed 2013 01:35:02,412 --> 01:35:05,452 Speaker 4: extended sick leave. So not paid for by the taxpayer, 2014 01:35:05,692 --> 01:35:08,892 Speaker 4: but from you and your workmates from rob Wow. 2015 01:35:08,973 --> 01:35:13,412 Speaker 3: Interesting staying in the that sort of vague area of employment. 2016 01:35:13,452 --> 01:35:16,372 Speaker 2: Fire Service now have pitt lea how work you have 2017 01:35:16,412 --> 01:35:17,333 Speaker 2: to be? Is that true? 2018 01:35:17,492 --> 01:35:19,652 Speaker 3: Fire Service have pit leaf So you if you if 2019 01:35:19,732 --> 01:35:23,492 Speaker 3: your pets and you'd probably take you you'd. 2020 01:35:23,253 --> 01:35:24,573 Speaker 2: Take a day off for pepper. 2021 01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:26,532 Speaker 4: Wall hear me out, you're dog. Wait, hang on, You've 2022 01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:29,172 Speaker 4: got Colin, and Colin is a very good boy. Surely 2023 01:35:29,293 --> 01:35:31,612 Speaker 4: if Colin was under the weather and needed to go 2024 01:35:31,652 --> 01:35:34,492 Speaker 4: to the vet, I would let you go, mate. I'd say, yeah, 2025 01:35:34,492 --> 01:35:37,253 Speaker 4: that's fine. You'd say, hey, Colin's Colin is feeling rough. 2026 01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:38,772 Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect to be paid for it, though. 2027 01:35:39,492 --> 01:35:40,053 Speaker 4: That's a good point. 2028 01:35:40,213 --> 01:35:41,933 Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to text my friend in 2029 01:35:41,933 --> 01:35:44,733 Speaker 3: the fire service and ask it if that's true. 2030 01:35:44,572 --> 01:35:46,293 Speaker 4: If you've got pet leave and your work love to 2031 01:35:46,333 --> 01:35:48,133 Speaker 4: hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty eight. 2032 01:35:48,532 --> 01:35:52,492 Speaker 3: Uh, do you guys, my friend in the fire service, 2033 01:35:52,973 --> 01:35:56,052 Speaker 3: fireman Phil, do you guys get pet sick leave? 2034 01:35:57,492 --> 01:35:58,452 Speaker 2: That can't be true. 2035 01:35:58,732 --> 01:36:01,372 Speaker 4: Well this text, you guys are just a pair of sickos. 2036 01:36:02,532 --> 01:36:08,892 Speaker 4: Yeah maybe scret yeah, spot on, just reasonably legal, Rob. 2037 01:36:08,973 --> 01:36:09,333 Speaker 13: How are you? 2038 01:36:11,412 --> 01:36:12,692 Speaker 8: Oh goody? How you guys? 2039 01:36:12,732 --> 01:36:13,333 Speaker 4: Good? 2040 01:36:14,333 --> 01:36:14,492 Speaker 17: Oh? 2041 01:36:14,572 --> 01:36:14,772 Speaker 11: Good? 2042 01:36:14,772 --> 01:36:14,892 Speaker 4: Hey? 2043 01:36:15,013 --> 01:36:17,572 Speaker 8: Yeah. I've been working for most of my life with 2044 01:36:17,652 --> 01:36:21,933 Speaker 8: a particular company and I at the moment have accrued 2045 01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:27,133 Speaker 8: the maximum that I can, which is fifty days. So 2046 01:36:28,293 --> 01:36:30,812 Speaker 8: I don't think that that's a huge liability for the 2047 01:36:30,853 --> 01:36:34,732 Speaker 8: company because I've been working for the last probably a 2048 01:36:34,732 --> 01:36:37,892 Speaker 8: couple of decades, whether it's sitting get fifty So otherwords, 2049 01:36:37,893 --> 01:36:40,213 Speaker 8: they're not paying me any sickly or adding to any 2050 01:36:40,213 --> 01:36:43,412 Speaker 8: sickly year after year after year. It's they had a 2051 01:36:43,412 --> 01:36:46,532 Speaker 8: lot of turnover of staff and everybody had their ten 2052 01:36:46,612 --> 01:36:49,133 Speaker 8: days every year. Well, they'd have to pay somebody ten 2053 01:36:49,213 --> 01:36:52,253 Speaker 8: days every year. But for me, if I don't use 2054 01:36:52,293 --> 01:36:54,492 Speaker 8: my sickly e than any one year, they don't. They 2055 01:36:54,492 --> 01:36:57,333 Speaker 8: don't have to accrue anything for me, so I'm cheaper 2056 01:36:57,333 --> 01:36:58,253 Speaker 8: to run than most. 2057 01:36:58,732 --> 01:37:01,532 Speaker 4: I would say it's a fair point, no, Rob, But 2058 01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:04,572 Speaker 4: just you know, you mentioned the fifty days, which is 2059 01:37:04,572 --> 01:37:07,772 Speaker 4: effectively ten weeks, right if you work five days a week. 2060 01:37:08,692 --> 01:37:12,692 Speaker 4: The fact that you've said that that's there when when 2061 01:37:12,732 --> 01:37:15,372 Speaker 4: you need it, whether you're sick or not. I mean 2062 01:37:15,372 --> 01:37:17,372 Speaker 4: that kind of implies that that's almost like a bit 2063 01:37:17,412 --> 01:37:18,772 Speaker 4: of a retirement bonus, isn't it. 2064 01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:23,173 Speaker 22: No, not a retirement bonus. I'm I am, you know, 2065 01:37:23,253 --> 01:37:26,253 Speaker 22: at the at the point where I am considering retiring, 2066 01:37:26,293 --> 01:37:29,253 Speaker 22: But I've also got you know, I could wake up 2067 01:37:29,293 --> 01:37:31,293 Speaker 22: tomorrow with a pain in the chest and go to 2068 01:37:31,372 --> 01:37:34,052 Speaker 22: the doctors, and the doctor says, you've got something really 2069 01:37:34,133 --> 01:37:36,973 Speaker 22: seriously wrong with you, and you know you may have 2070 01:37:37,053 --> 01:37:39,732 Speaker 22: to you know, the best case, you know, you off 2071 01:37:39,853 --> 01:37:44,772 Speaker 22: have an operation and you're off work for three months. 2072 01:37:44,812 --> 01:37:47,452 Speaker 22: It's it's a bit of an insurance policy for something 2073 01:37:47,572 --> 01:37:49,652 Speaker 22: like that. You know, as you get older, you're more 2074 01:37:49,732 --> 01:37:53,612 Speaker 22: likely to perhaps girl and and it's a bit of 2075 01:37:53,612 --> 01:37:55,173 Speaker 22: comfort to know that you know there is a bit 2076 01:37:55,213 --> 01:37:55,932 Speaker 22: of a buffer there. 2077 01:37:56,053 --> 01:38:00,732 Speaker 8: So it's to your advantage to actually not throw the sickies. 2078 01:38:01,333 --> 01:38:04,452 Speaker 8: Get your maximum entitlement so that if if the worst 2079 01:38:04,492 --> 01:38:06,812 Speaker 8: comes to the worst, it cushions the blow. 2080 01:38:07,933 --> 01:38:10,452 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that must be an interesting situation though for 2081 01:38:10,492 --> 01:38:13,893 Speaker 3: an employer if they then that comes up and the 2082 01:38:14,173 --> 01:38:16,372 Speaker 3: you know, compassion and everything, and I'm sure they'd want 2083 01:38:16,372 --> 01:38:17,772 Speaker 3: to help you out because you know you've been around 2084 01:38:17,812 --> 01:38:19,973 Speaker 3: for a long time. But that's sitting there that at 2085 01:38:20,013 --> 01:38:24,053 Speaker 3: any time, fifty days could of you're paying someone for 2086 01:38:24,093 --> 01:38:26,852 Speaker 3: fifty days and they can't come in and work. But 2087 01:38:26,893 --> 01:38:28,852 Speaker 3: I guess, I guess they've put that aside. If you're 2088 01:38:28,853 --> 01:38:31,492 Speaker 3: accounting for that every year, so you're you know, over time, 2089 01:38:31,532 --> 01:38:33,253 Speaker 3: you're accounting for those ten days a year, so you're 2090 01:38:33,293 --> 01:38:35,293 Speaker 3: assuming that those ten days are going to go even 2091 01:38:35,333 --> 01:38:37,652 Speaker 3: if they're not taken. It's complicated. Thank you so much 2092 01:38:37,652 --> 01:38:41,412 Speaker 3: for your call, Rob, appreciate appreciate it. So getting a 2093 01:38:41,412 --> 01:38:43,372 Speaker 3: lot of feedback from the fire department. 2094 01:38:44,853 --> 01:38:45,812 Speaker 4: Did you makee ticture back? 2095 01:38:46,213 --> 01:38:47,812 Speaker 3: I'll just check that that's on the phone, but this 2096 01:38:47,853 --> 01:38:50,012 Speaker 3: is on the text machine here. No, we don't get 2097 01:38:50,013 --> 01:38:52,452 Speaker 3: pets sick leave. But when my dog passed, I took 2098 01:38:52,492 --> 01:38:54,572 Speaker 3: time off and they gave it to me as sickly, 2099 01:38:55,612 --> 01:38:58,972 Speaker 3: so you kind of do we don't have pets sick leave. However, 2100 01:38:59,013 --> 01:39:02,333 Speaker 3: we can use our own set leave sick leave for pets, 2101 01:39:02,532 --> 01:39:05,012 Speaker 3: much like kids assume that's from the fire department as well, 2102 01:39:05,492 --> 01:39:08,652 Speaker 3: is it. Obviously I haven't heard back from my mate. 2103 01:39:08,772 --> 01:39:11,532 Speaker 3: I'm pending, pending from an official source. 2104 01:39:11,572 --> 01:39:13,892 Speaker 4: I'm I'm so having to think how I feel about 2105 01:39:13,893 --> 01:39:15,973 Speaker 4: pet leave because you know, I love Pepper. She's a 2106 01:39:15,973 --> 01:39:18,732 Speaker 4: good dog. You love Colin. If she got she had 2107 01:39:18,772 --> 01:39:22,532 Speaker 4: the sniffles, it's you know, she was feeling a bit 2108 01:39:22,612 --> 01:39:23,093 Speaker 4: under the weather. 2109 01:39:23,293 --> 01:39:24,852 Speaker 2: I don't even like to say the age of my 2110 01:39:24,933 --> 01:39:25,492 Speaker 2: dog Colin. 2111 01:39:25,692 --> 01:39:29,093 Speaker 3: I even sometimes kind of trying under I know, exact 2112 01:39:29,133 --> 01:39:30,652 Speaker 3: as age, but I kind of undersay it. 2113 01:39:30,692 --> 01:39:32,452 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't want to think about it because. 2114 01:39:32,293 --> 01:39:32,852 Speaker 2: He's ten now. 2115 01:39:33,013 --> 01:39:36,772 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I cannot face losing my dog Colin. So 2116 01:39:37,093 --> 01:39:40,572 Speaker 3: I reckon, I'll take fifty days. Pat's the clevel when Colin. 2117 01:39:40,372 --> 01:39:42,053 Speaker 4: Goes down, And I wouldn't blame you. I went one 2118 01:39:42,133 --> 01:39:43,852 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is a number to call. 2119 01:39:43,973 --> 01:39:45,732 Speaker 4: It is twenty eight to four. 2120 01:39:48,692 --> 01:39:52,293 Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis, it's 2121 01:39:52,333 --> 01:39:55,933 Speaker 14: no trouble with a Blue Bubble. Police have responded to 2122 01:39:55,933 --> 01:39:59,732 Speaker 14: a likely stamping in Auckland's Birkenhead this afternoon, cordoning off 2123 01:39:59,732 --> 01:40:02,772 Speaker 14: a street. They say the man was found critically injured 2124 01:40:02,973 --> 01:40:06,173 Speaker 14: with probable stab wounds just after two and is an 2125 01:40:06,173 --> 01:40:10,412 Speaker 14: Auckland City hospital. 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It's called caregivers leave, 2143 01:41:17,452 --> 01:41:20,652 Speaker 3: which also includes pets Hi, Matt and Tyler. At ASP 2144 01:41:20,933 --> 01:41:23,532 Speaker 3: we get bereavement leave on the death of our pets. 2145 01:41:24,093 --> 01:41:26,852 Speaker 3: And this textra nine two nine two. Hey, listening to 2146 01:41:26,893 --> 01:41:28,612 Speaker 3: some of the callers and text, I wonder New Zealand' 2147 01:41:28,612 --> 01:41:31,333 Speaker 3: productivity is very low. Sick days of being sick, nothing else. 2148 01:41:31,572 --> 01:41:33,333 Speaker 3: I had my own business for several decades and I 2149 01:41:33,372 --> 01:41:34,972 Speaker 3: did not miss a single day at work. 2150 01:41:35,652 --> 01:41:37,133 Speaker 4: Can I just give a wee shout out to this 2151 01:41:37,173 --> 01:41:39,612 Speaker 4: company in zed Me that when we lost our first dog, 2152 01:41:39,732 --> 01:41:44,172 Speaker 4: sesse who clearly the company knew I absolutely adored Sesey, 2153 01:41:44,492 --> 01:41:46,652 Speaker 4: they offered me the day off. Turned out that I 2154 01:41:46,692 --> 01:41:48,452 Speaker 4: needed to come to work to get through it, but 2155 01:41:48,492 --> 01:41:51,013 Speaker 4: they sent some flowers. They actually treated it with a 2156 01:41:51,013 --> 01:41:53,092 Speaker 4: lot of respect, and I'd look back now and think 2157 01:41:53,452 --> 01:41:55,093 Speaker 4: good on en zed Me. At the time. 2158 01:41:55,412 --> 01:41:57,452 Speaker 2: Wow, when my mom died to come to work and 2159 01:41:57,492 --> 01:41:58,173 Speaker 2: they didn't send me in. 2160 01:41:58,213 --> 01:41:59,052 Speaker 18: It, that's tough. 2161 01:41:59,532 --> 01:42:02,933 Speaker 4: I've been working for Newstalk. They look after people Newstalks. 2162 01:42:02,532 --> 01:42:10,652 Speaker 2: eBay and the call Crawel Andrew, how are you mate? 2163 01:42:11,213 --> 01:42:11,492 Speaker 11: Yeah? 2164 01:42:11,532 --> 01:42:15,692 Speaker 21: Good, thanks guys, you love the show. Thanks my stuff. 2165 01:42:15,732 --> 01:42:18,812 Speaker 21: With sick leave, I've just had a new baby ten 2166 01:42:18,853 --> 01:42:23,053 Speaker 21: months ago and had a couple of operations the last 2167 01:42:23,133 --> 01:42:25,612 Speaker 21: six months from sitting in the city. So without that 2168 01:42:25,732 --> 01:42:30,213 Speaker 21: sick leave, I've taken fourteen days off since November and 2169 01:42:30,293 --> 01:42:34,253 Speaker 21: all the sick leaves and all for the beautiful young baby. 2170 01:42:34,293 --> 01:42:37,652 Speaker 21: And you know, I'm a worker, so I haven't taken 2171 01:42:37,652 --> 01:42:39,692 Speaker 21: that sick day off to myself for years. But I 2172 01:42:39,732 --> 01:42:41,652 Speaker 21: can't say that when I was a young lad. I 2173 01:42:41,772 --> 01:42:43,173 Speaker 21: was definitely a bit of a lad back in the 2174 01:42:43,253 --> 01:42:45,652 Speaker 21: day and definitely copped a bit of mondays. 2175 01:42:47,492 --> 01:42:51,452 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the taking the sick leave for sick children, 2176 01:42:51,612 --> 01:42:53,412 Speaker 4: clearly that is what a lot of parents do, right, 2177 01:42:53,452 --> 01:42:56,452 Speaker 4: That's where a good chunk of that leave gets taken up. 2178 01:42:57,612 --> 01:43:01,732 Speaker 4: When it comes to your workmates who don't have children, 2179 01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:04,852 Speaker 4: do you do you think sometimes there could be a 2180 01:43:04,853 --> 01:43:06,973 Speaker 4: bit of resentment that builds up there, you know, not 2181 01:43:07,013 --> 01:43:09,492 Speaker 4: the fact that you're a parent, but the fact that 2182 01:43:10,572 --> 01:43:12,733 Speaker 4: they have to pick up a bit more sleck sometimes. 2183 01:43:13,253 --> 01:43:15,093 Speaker 21: Yeah, I suppose I'm not really in a workplace like 2184 01:43:15,173 --> 01:43:17,492 Speaker 21: that where we rely on one person to be there 2185 01:43:17,532 --> 01:43:21,253 Speaker 21: for from day to day, sort of in a construction 2186 01:43:21,372 --> 01:43:23,133 Speaker 21: And I suppose you do this one person if they 2187 01:43:23,133 --> 01:43:23,692 Speaker 21: don't turn. 2188 01:43:23,612 --> 01:43:25,173 Speaker 17: Up, but not the end of the world, is it. 2189 01:43:25,812 --> 01:43:29,652 Speaker 21: No, you sort of expect someone not to be there 2190 01:43:29,692 --> 01:43:32,972 Speaker 21: when you're in a sea and business these days, So yes, don't. 2191 01:43:33,213 --> 01:43:34,852 Speaker 21: As long as you do your job and worry about 2192 01:43:34,853 --> 01:43:36,372 Speaker 21: where you've got to worry about, everything's fine. 2193 01:43:36,532 --> 01:43:39,692 Speaker 4: Yeah. Have you ever taken a sick day just for you, Andrew? Well, 2194 01:43:39,853 --> 01:43:42,333 Speaker 4: you must have, but recently would you have you taken 2195 01:43:42,333 --> 01:43:43,333 Speaker 4: a sick day for yourself? 2196 01:43:44,013 --> 01:43:47,532 Speaker 21: No, not for myself. I think I think that. You know, 2197 01:43:47,572 --> 01:43:49,572 Speaker 21: when you've got a baby at home, obviously she's she's 2198 01:43:49,572 --> 01:43:52,253 Speaker 21: pretty hard for twenty four to seven, so you know, 2199 01:43:52,293 --> 01:43:53,772 Speaker 21: there's no real point. You know, you's still going to 2200 01:43:53,812 --> 01:43:57,012 Speaker 21: pay the mortgage and get on and we still goes around. 2201 01:43:57,053 --> 01:43:58,972 Speaker 21: So there's plenty of worse off people than ourselves. 2202 01:43:59,013 --> 01:44:02,572 Speaker 3: So yeah, good, there's a good attitude. Andrew, thank you 2203 01:44:02,652 --> 01:44:03,852 Speaker 3: so much for your call. 2204 01:44:05,133 --> 01:44:07,852 Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 2205 01:44:07,933 --> 01:44:08,133 Speaker 2: Here's it. 2206 01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:12,053 Speaker 3: Mom of two kids, three and one and a half 2207 01:44:12,173 --> 01:44:14,612 Speaker 3: years old, work full time. They're in daycare full time. 2208 01:44:14,692 --> 01:44:18,172 Speaker 3: Ten days is nowhere near enough to cover both myself 2209 01:44:18,213 --> 01:44:20,133 Speaker 3: and them for a year. Like many parents, we end 2210 01:44:20,173 --> 01:44:22,892 Speaker 3: up sending sick kids to daycare and not taking sick 2211 01:44:22,973 --> 01:44:25,452 Speaker 3: leave from ourselves. It's a vicious cycle. Then you start 2212 01:44:25,452 --> 01:44:27,892 Speaker 3: going through and you'll leave and this impacts your own 2213 01:44:28,412 --> 01:44:31,532 Speaker 3: well being. So Tyler here, who doesn't have kids, he 2214 01:44:31,572 --> 01:44:35,692 Speaker 3: would say, well, that's that's that's the situation you're in. 2215 01:44:36,772 --> 01:44:39,773 Speaker 3: That So Tyler, he doesn't have kids. 2216 01:44:40,293 --> 01:44:40,452 Speaker 6: So. 2217 01:44:42,053 --> 01:44:43,492 Speaker 4: It's tricky. 2218 01:44:43,492 --> 01:44:46,132 Speaker 3: Why should someone with kids get like me, have special 2219 01:44:46,133 --> 01:44:47,572 Speaker 3: treatment over Tyler who does have kids. 2220 01:44:47,612 --> 01:44:50,253 Speaker 4: I have seen that resentment in the workplace, not me 2221 01:44:50,372 --> 01:44:52,852 Speaker 4: being resentful, but I've seen it from people without kids, 2222 01:44:52,853 --> 01:44:55,093 Speaker 4: and they see those with kids needing to take more 2223 01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:58,012 Speaker 4: time off to look after their family. They would quite 2224 01:44:58,053 --> 01:45:00,012 Speaker 4: like to take some time off to look after whatever 2225 01:45:00,053 --> 01:45:02,733 Speaker 4: family they've got in their life, even if it's not children. 2226 01:45:03,093 --> 01:45:04,532 Speaker 3: I think we need to go back to the eighties 2227 01:45:04,572 --> 01:45:06,852 Speaker 3: way of viewing things that my parents had, which will basically, 2228 01:45:07,133 --> 01:45:09,973 Speaker 3: you go to school, you just go to school, and 2229 01:45:10,492 --> 01:45:13,212 Speaker 3: you go to daycare. And we need to just realize 2230 01:45:13,293 --> 01:45:17,333 Speaker 3: that we diseases are better to be spread amongst people, 2231 01:45:17,372 --> 01:45:19,333 Speaker 3: so they build up community and we just have to 2232 01:45:19,372 --> 01:45:20,333 Speaker 3: deal it as a society. 2233 01:45:20,333 --> 01:45:22,892 Speaker 2: That's why it works that kids go to school. 2234 01:45:23,333 --> 01:45:26,652 Speaker 3: They don't they I think the threshold and this won't 2235 01:45:26,692 --> 01:45:28,772 Speaker 3: be across the whole families, but I see it in people. 2236 01:45:28,812 --> 01:45:29,093 Speaker 16: I know. 2237 01:45:29,293 --> 01:45:31,253 Speaker 3: The threshold of what counts to be sick and not 2238 01:45:31,293 --> 01:45:32,692 Speaker 3: going to school seems to. 2239 01:45:32,652 --> 01:45:35,012 Speaker 2: Have lowered a lot since when my parents. 2240 01:45:34,812 --> 01:45:37,173 Speaker 3: Would force me to go to school in disgusting states. Yeah, 2241 01:45:37,173 --> 01:45:42,892 Speaker 3: it's a good point well generally speaking. Also, how fun 2242 01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:45,213 Speaker 3: it is to stay at home. It's really increased for 2243 01:45:45,333 --> 01:45:49,572 Speaker 3: kids because it used to be so incredibly boring. You'd 2244 01:45:49,692 --> 01:45:51,452 Speaker 3: be in bed, maybe you make it down to the 2245 01:45:51,492 --> 01:45:54,852 Speaker 3: lounge to watch aerobics old style, and then basically there 2246 01:45:54,973 --> 01:45:57,532 Speaker 3: was what was that show about those women in prison 2247 01:45:57,572 --> 01:46:00,452 Speaker 3: and Australia it's just terrible television. 2248 01:46:00,492 --> 01:46:01,652 Speaker 2: There was nothing to do. You might as well be 2249 01:46:01,652 --> 01:46:02,012 Speaker 2: at school. 2250 01:46:02,013 --> 01:46:03,812 Speaker 3: But you're right, so it's really fun to be at home. 2251 01:46:03,853 --> 01:46:07,572 Speaker 3: So there's a high incentive for kids to talk upsick there. 2252 01:46:07,612 --> 01:46:09,452 Speaker 4: I think when I try to take a sicky and Dared, 2253 01:46:09,572 --> 01:46:11,932 Speaker 4: just out of spite, decided to stay home as well 2254 01:46:11,973 --> 01:46:14,133 Speaker 4: so he could watch me and make sure that I 2255 01:46:14,173 --> 01:46:16,772 Speaker 4: wasn't watching Delly, I was staying in bed, I was sleeping. 2256 01:46:16,812 --> 01:46:19,892 Speaker 4: If I dared do anything entertaining, he'd be down on 2257 01:46:19,933 --> 01:46:21,293 Speaker 4: me like a ton of bricks. And it worked. 2258 01:46:21,452 --> 01:46:24,492 Speaker 3: Hey, here we go. Here's a text here for you, Tyler. 2259 01:46:25,013 --> 01:46:28,372 Speaker 3: People like Tyler without kids, remember that it'll be those 2260 01:46:28,492 --> 01:46:30,892 Speaker 3: kids that will be working to pay your super. 2261 01:46:31,492 --> 01:46:32,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 2262 01:46:32,253 --> 01:46:35,812 Speaker 3: So we actually need these people to have kids, and 2263 01:46:35,853 --> 01:46:38,013 Speaker 3: we need as a community to make it possible for 2264 01:46:38,013 --> 01:46:40,213 Speaker 3: people to have kids because we need those kids to 2265 01:46:40,253 --> 01:46:42,173 Speaker 3: be working to pay for my super. 2266 01:46:42,933 --> 01:46:45,452 Speaker 4: That's a conundrum. So we need to increase the sick 2267 01:46:45,572 --> 01:46:49,213 Speaker 4: leave for parent workers. Oh one hundred and eighty is 2268 01:46:49,333 --> 01:46:52,133 Speaker 4: Numn the call, it's eighteen to four. We'll take more 2269 01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:53,293 Speaker 4: of your phone calls very shortly. 2270 01:46:54,973 --> 01:46:58,412 Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and 2271 01:46:58,692 --> 01:47:02,333 Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Tayler afternoons with the Volvo 2272 01:47:02,652 --> 01:47:05,812 Speaker 1: XC ninety, attention to detail and a commitment to comfort 2273 01:47:05,933 --> 01:47:06,932 Speaker 1: news talks, they'd. 2274 01:47:06,692 --> 01:47:09,933 Speaker 3: Be we're talking about the ten days sick leave a 2275 01:47:10,053 --> 01:47:13,172 Speaker 3: year to care for themselves. Partners, children are other dependents 2276 01:47:13,213 --> 01:47:15,772 Speaker 3: that most workers get by law in New Zealand. Turns 2277 01:47:15,772 --> 01:47:20,213 Speaker 3: out it's an incredibly complex topic. It turns out that 2278 01:47:20,213 --> 01:47:23,173 Speaker 3: there's some people faking it, some people that aren't, some 2279 01:47:23,213 --> 01:47:27,172 Speaker 3: people that are cruing a huge amount of non sick days, 2280 01:47:27,652 --> 01:47:29,253 Speaker 3: and some people think that they're entitled to them. 2281 01:47:29,253 --> 01:47:30,212 Speaker 2: Some people think that they're. 2282 01:47:30,053 --> 01:47:33,253 Speaker 4: Not parents taking the mixed single work is feeling a 2283 01:47:33,253 --> 01:47:35,213 Speaker 4: bit aggrieved by it. We need to have more babies. 2284 01:47:35,253 --> 01:47:36,173 Speaker 4: It's got complex. 2285 01:47:36,213 --> 01:47:36,412 Speaker 17: Man. 2286 01:47:37,293 --> 01:47:38,972 Speaker 2: I can't believe you're going to take on big Mum 2287 01:47:39,013 --> 01:47:40,652 Speaker 2: and Dad Tyler, but. 2288 01:47:41,013 --> 01:47:43,452 Speaker 4: I regret it. I take it back. We need more, 2289 01:47:43,532 --> 01:47:44,932 Speaker 4: We need more kids in this country. 2290 01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:46,653 Speaker 2: You're a brave man, Percis. 2291 01:47:46,692 --> 01:47:47,133 Speaker 4: How are you? 2292 01:47:48,612 --> 01:47:48,812 Speaker 18: Yes? 2293 01:47:49,013 --> 01:47:49,533 Speaker 11: Him? 2294 01:47:49,933 --> 01:47:53,452 Speaker 24: Thank you, thanks for taking my calls. Well, it surely 2295 01:47:53,492 --> 01:47:57,772 Speaker 24: looks like you have covered the whole Janato issue around sickly. 2296 01:47:57,973 --> 01:48:01,253 Speaker 24: I only had to say this that I consider and 2297 01:48:01,333 --> 01:48:03,532 Speaker 24: we should all consider the fact that we are given 2298 01:48:03,572 --> 01:48:07,852 Speaker 24: skis sickly as a privilege. And that's how I've already 2299 01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:11,013 Speaker 24: viewed it. And well, look at you didn't have to 2300 01:48:11,173 --> 01:48:15,333 Speaker 24: use your sick leave, then you're really privileged because hey, 2301 01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:17,852 Speaker 24: you didn't get sick, your family didn't get sick, your 2302 01:48:17,933 --> 01:48:20,812 Speaker 24: kids didn't get sick. And then on the art occasion 2303 01:48:20,853 --> 01:48:23,213 Speaker 24: when you say your dog is sick or or you 2304 01:48:23,253 --> 01:48:26,293 Speaker 24: are really sick, when nobody's going to complain and they're 2305 01:48:26,333 --> 01:48:29,492 Speaker 24: going to happily let you take that half day off 2306 01:48:29,532 --> 01:48:33,293 Speaker 24: for one day off for leave. So, and of course 2307 01:48:33,333 --> 01:48:35,213 Speaker 24: a lot depends on how long you work in a 2308 01:48:35,333 --> 01:48:39,933 Speaker 24: company and the company's rules. Some have a cap, so 2309 01:48:40,133 --> 01:48:42,652 Speaker 24: have quite a long cap. I think mine is one 2310 01:48:42,692 --> 01:48:46,692 Speaker 24: hundred and twenty days. I probably already prospect. But yeah, 2311 01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:48,093 Speaker 24: it's just that attitude. 2312 01:48:48,133 --> 01:48:49,572 Speaker 15: I guess you. 2313 01:48:49,492 --> 01:48:52,333 Speaker 3: Would you support people taking so you say that a 2314 01:48:52,572 --> 01:48:56,173 Speaker 3: sick day as a as a privilege that's been offered 2315 01:48:56,173 --> 01:48:58,972 Speaker 3: to you. But do you do you what about someone 2316 01:48:58,973 --> 01:49:03,012 Speaker 3: who's stressed so they just need to take a day off. 2317 01:49:03,253 --> 01:49:05,932 Speaker 3: They're not actually sick, they don't actually have the flu 2318 01:49:06,412 --> 01:49:09,812 Speaker 3: or whatever's going on. They just feel like they've had 2319 01:49:09,933 --> 01:49:11,612 Speaker 3: enough and they need to take a day off so 2320 01:49:11,652 --> 01:49:13,412 Speaker 3: they can come back to work even stronger. 2321 01:49:13,452 --> 01:49:15,173 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a legit thing to do? 2322 01:49:17,093 --> 01:49:21,333 Speaker 24: I mean, I think I don't know whether we would 2323 01:49:21,333 --> 01:49:23,573 Speaker 24: be able to take. We do get something called awareness 2324 01:49:23,612 --> 01:49:26,293 Speaker 24: make where you could probably just take a day off 2325 01:49:26,412 --> 01:49:29,133 Speaker 24: or for just that sort of reason. If you were 2326 01:49:29,173 --> 01:49:33,492 Speaker 24: taking a stress me and so often, then your boss 2327 01:49:33,532 --> 01:49:36,412 Speaker 24: would be one day whether you need you need help 2328 01:49:36,933 --> 01:49:39,213 Speaker 24: in some sort of way, and would be talking to 2329 01:49:39,253 --> 01:49:42,372 Speaker 24: you about that, so which should be managed. It would 2330 01:49:42,412 --> 01:49:43,852 Speaker 24: be something that would be managed. 2331 01:49:44,412 --> 01:49:46,652 Speaker 4: What's the wellness day perceeds? What do you have to 2332 01:49:46,652 --> 01:49:48,213 Speaker 4: do for that? You can take a day off for 2333 01:49:48,333 --> 01:49:50,333 Speaker 4: any reason whatsoever. You'll just say boss, I'm taking a 2334 01:49:50,333 --> 01:49:51,452 Speaker 4: wellness day. 2335 01:49:51,253 --> 01:49:52,772 Speaker 24: For doing anything you want. 2336 01:49:53,013 --> 01:49:56,573 Speaker 4: Yes, isn't that a Saturday and Sunday? 2337 01:49:57,213 --> 01:49:59,932 Speaker 3: So that isn't that That's just like another day added 2338 01:49:59,933 --> 01:50:01,253 Speaker 3: onto your holidays then, isn't it? 2339 01:50:02,572 --> 01:50:05,492 Speaker 24: Most Yes, that way very general. 2340 01:50:05,572 --> 01:50:07,412 Speaker 2: You'll come to come to you with us very generous. 2341 01:50:08,013 --> 01:50:08,892 Speaker 2: Do you for a bank? 2342 01:50:09,133 --> 01:50:09,293 Speaker 19: Yeah? 2343 01:50:09,772 --> 01:50:13,972 Speaker 24: I guess so, But I suppose we. I think when 2344 01:50:13,973 --> 01:50:17,652 Speaker 24: you're given, when the employer as generous and the employer 2345 01:50:17,772 --> 01:50:21,652 Speaker 24: is fair, then people also don't explain the situation quite 2346 01:50:21,692 --> 01:50:24,772 Speaker 24: so much. They will always be the art type of 2347 01:50:24,772 --> 01:50:28,492 Speaker 24: person or guys there. But around me, I don't see 2348 01:50:28,612 --> 01:50:30,013 Speaker 24: a lot of that behavior. 2349 01:50:31,333 --> 01:50:33,532 Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting, Thank you so much for your call. 2350 01:50:33,612 --> 01:50:34,372 Speaker 2: Appreciate that. 2351 01:50:35,053 --> 01:50:37,013 Speaker 3: If I'm not entitled to sick days, why do they 2352 01:50:37,053 --> 01:50:40,213 Speaker 3: advertise them and judge job advertisements? See this is the 2353 01:50:40,213 --> 01:50:42,532 Speaker 3: bit that's really doing my head in that I don't understand, 2354 01:50:43,013 --> 01:50:45,532 Speaker 3: and I think I might have worked as a contract 2355 01:50:45,532 --> 01:50:46,812 Speaker 3: in my whole life, so I don't really and I 2356 01:50:46,812 --> 01:50:49,213 Speaker 3: don't have sick days. If I am sick, I don't 2357 01:50:49,213 --> 01:50:51,412 Speaker 3: get paid. That's what it's always been for me. But 2358 01:50:52,692 --> 01:50:54,372 Speaker 3: well except for when I used to work in record 2359 01:50:54,372 --> 01:50:56,092 Speaker 3: stores or whatever, and I used to be a warehouse 2360 01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:59,333 Speaker 3: manager back then, but I can't remember that. But you're 2361 01:50:59,412 --> 01:51:04,012 Speaker 3: sick days. They're not like holidays. It's not a perk, 2362 01:51:04,772 --> 01:51:06,492 Speaker 3: it's not part of your it's not like you get 2363 01:51:06,532 --> 01:51:09,213 Speaker 3: four weeks holiday and two weeks sick days. 2364 01:51:09,732 --> 01:51:11,932 Speaker 2: They're there if you get sick. 2365 01:51:12,333 --> 01:51:14,852 Speaker 3: So all these texts that come through, and someone explained 2366 01:51:14,893 --> 01:51:17,652 Speaker 3: this to me because all these people that set through 2367 01:51:17,732 --> 01:51:19,972 Speaker 3: is I left this job, there was a change in contract, 2368 01:51:19,973 --> 01:51:21,652 Speaker 3: and I lost sixty seven sick days. 2369 01:51:21,772 --> 01:51:23,293 Speaker 4: Yeah, in my way of. 2370 01:51:23,293 --> 01:51:25,412 Speaker 3: Thinking, they were never your sick days. They were just 2371 01:51:25,492 --> 01:51:30,492 Speaker 3: there as a backstop in case you were unwell, just 2372 01:51:30,492 --> 01:51:32,852 Speaker 3: just for fairness, because you know people are going to 2373 01:51:32,893 --> 01:51:35,732 Speaker 3: get sick, and it just seems fear that maybe they 2374 01:51:35,772 --> 01:51:38,013 Speaker 3: should get paid for those. But people seem to look 2375 01:51:38,053 --> 01:51:40,532 Speaker 3: at them, and at least I'm missing something here. They 2376 01:51:40,572 --> 01:51:43,773 Speaker 3: seem to look at them as an entitlement, just like holidays. 2377 01:51:43,853 --> 01:51:46,573 Speaker 4: I don't know why you'd put them in a job advertisement. 2378 01:51:46,692 --> 01:51:49,173 Speaker 4: I mean, that's like trying to paint the picture of 2379 01:51:49,213 --> 01:51:51,492 Speaker 4: the house. It's a real dunger that you work how 2380 01:51:51,532 --> 01:51:53,412 Speaker 4: hard you can to say, hey, by the way, you 2381 01:51:53,452 --> 01:51:55,973 Speaker 4: get twenty days sick leave a cruel as well, of 2382 01:51:55,973 --> 01:51:58,532 Speaker 4: course you do. That's just part of the legislation. That's 2383 01:51:58,532 --> 01:51:59,012 Speaker 4: not a perk. 2384 01:51:59,173 --> 01:52:01,213 Speaker 3: This Texas is hard and up New Zealand. I spent 2385 01:52:01,253 --> 01:52:03,732 Speaker 3: five years in London, never had a sick day. That's 2386 01:52:03,812 --> 01:52:08,173 Speaker 3: after hitting the wheeze hard in the weekends, we've become soft. 2387 01:52:08,372 --> 01:52:10,572 Speaker 3: That's going back to what I said about hangovers, which 2388 01:52:10,612 --> 01:52:12,772 Speaker 3: is part This is really where this conversation started a 2389 01:52:12,772 --> 01:52:15,972 Speaker 3: long time ago, as people taking probably this Friday off 2390 01:52:16,692 --> 01:52:19,652 Speaker 3: and then partying or you know, a festival day and 2391 01:52:19,692 --> 01:52:22,692 Speaker 3: then and calling it a sick day. Right yeah, And 2392 01:52:23,053 --> 01:52:25,692 Speaker 3: that's where I bought the saying to the room, which 2393 01:52:25,893 --> 01:52:27,692 Speaker 3: is if you go at the boy with the boys, 2394 01:52:27,732 --> 01:52:30,372 Speaker 3: you got to get up with the men, yep. Or alternately, 2395 01:52:30,452 --> 01:52:31,852 Speaker 3: if you go out with the girls, you got to 2396 01:52:31,853 --> 01:52:32,492 Speaker 3: get up with the woman. 2397 01:52:32,652 --> 01:52:34,173 Speaker 2: Full circle, full circle. 2398 01:52:34,213 --> 01:52:37,253 Speaker 3: That that's that, so so you can go out and party, 2399 01:52:37,293 --> 01:52:38,612 Speaker 3: but you have to turn up to work and put 2400 01:52:38,652 --> 01:52:39,892 Speaker 3: in a full, solid day's work. 2401 01:52:40,293 --> 01:52:43,133 Speaker 2: That's part of the whole. That's the deal. So that's 2402 01:52:43,532 --> 01:52:45,253 Speaker 2: the deal in life, you know, step apart be a 2403 01:52:45,293 --> 01:52:46,452 Speaker 2: powerful keywek we. 2404 01:52:46,372 --> 01:52:48,212 Speaker 4: Solved this in the first ten minutes of the conversation. 2405 01:52:48,532 --> 01:52:52,692 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think I've ever been involved in 2406 01:52:52,692 --> 01:52:54,452 Speaker 2: anything so complicated in my life. 2407 01:52:54,612 --> 01:52:54,812 Speaker 14: Yeah. 2408 01:52:54,933 --> 01:52:56,692 Speaker 4: Yeah, We're going to have to get a lawyer onto 2409 01:52:56,692 --> 01:52:59,372 Speaker 4: this at some stage. Ten to four will wrap it 2410 01:52:59,412 --> 01:53:01,652 Speaker 4: all up very shortly, the. 2411 01:53:01,692 --> 01:53:05,652 Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything 2412 01:53:05,652 --> 01:53:09,213 Speaker 1: in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo X 2413 01:53:09,492 --> 01:53:12,612 Speaker 1: ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort news 2414 01:53:12,692 --> 01:53:15,612 Speaker 1: dogsb unused dogs NB. 2415 01:53:16,333 --> 01:53:22,213 Speaker 25: You know Ron, Yes, Yes, I did four years in 2416 01:53:22,293 --> 01:53:25,333 Speaker 25: the government service and I got a terrific amount of 2417 01:53:25,692 --> 01:53:29,572 Speaker 25: holiday leave hardy. I would have been excess of two 2418 01:53:29,652 --> 01:53:34,652 Speaker 25: sixty when I left. Spend about eighteen years since I 2419 01:53:34,732 --> 01:53:38,013 Speaker 25: left the service. I transferred everything I started off from 2420 01:53:38,053 --> 01:53:41,372 Speaker 25: there of a culture apartment. I finished there and I 2421 01:53:41,372 --> 01:53:46,893 Speaker 25: want the nursing so I got all my sickly transferred 2422 01:53:46,933 --> 01:53:49,892 Speaker 25: to the other department, and I moved around New Zealand 2423 01:53:49,893 --> 01:53:52,452 Speaker 25: a little bit, and I transferred everything wherever I moved. 2424 01:53:52,492 --> 01:53:55,612 Speaker 25: I got the whole forty years of sick leave, which 2425 01:53:55,612 --> 01:53:57,972 Speaker 25: I hardly ever used. But the other thing I got 2426 01:53:58,053 --> 01:54:02,732 Speaker 25: was a wreck day recreational day, which gave you one 2427 01:54:02,812 --> 01:54:06,052 Speaker 25: day a year to do anything in the recreational side. 2428 01:54:06,532 --> 01:54:09,253 Speaker 25: And I split up into two half days so that 2429 01:54:09,293 --> 01:54:11,932 Speaker 25: I could get out and I used to do trotting, 2430 01:54:11,973 --> 01:54:14,652 Speaker 25: trolls and things like that, and I thought that was 2431 01:54:14,772 --> 01:54:17,852 Speaker 25: that was good because I miss those days if I 2432 01:54:17,893 --> 01:54:20,452 Speaker 25: was at work, and it was good that I can 2433 01:54:20,492 --> 01:54:22,972 Speaker 25: get out and do something on the recreational side. 2434 01:54:23,492 --> 01:54:25,012 Speaker 2: Wow, a recreational day. 2435 01:54:25,133 --> 01:54:26,253 Speaker 25: For recreation side. 2436 01:54:27,853 --> 01:54:30,732 Speaker 4: So there were specific days that were called recreation days, 2437 01:54:30,732 --> 01:54:32,693 Speaker 4: which are pretty much what beach days if we want 2438 01:54:32,693 --> 01:54:33,373 Speaker 4: to go hiking. 2439 01:54:34,653 --> 01:54:37,453 Speaker 25: Oh yeah, anything like that. Yes, yes, you're right there. 2440 01:54:38,013 --> 01:54:39,253 Speaker 4: That's just annual leave, isn't it. 2441 01:54:39,853 --> 01:54:43,812 Speaker 3: That's like having a holiday, four weeks holiday and one 2442 01:54:43,853 --> 01:54:46,693 Speaker 3: extra day, but worth a real focus on doing something 2443 01:54:46,772 --> 01:54:48,613 Speaker 3: positive in your life that you might miss out on. 2444 01:54:48,933 --> 01:54:51,133 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much for you cool ron, I appreciate that. 2445 01:54:51,293 --> 01:54:51,772 Speaker 4: Interesting. 2446 01:54:51,973 --> 01:54:54,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, boy, it's been a wide ranging chat, isn't it. 2447 01:54:54,772 --> 01:54:56,132 Speaker 2: Today has keep. 2448 01:54:55,973 --> 01:54:59,293 Speaker 4: Arieve it wellness day is recreational leave. I mean we're 2449 01:54:59,333 --> 01:54:59,812 Speaker 4: fit at all. 2450 01:54:59,893 --> 01:55:01,812 Speaker 3: The most frequent payroll question I get this is a 2451 01:55:01,853 --> 01:55:04,333 Speaker 3: person that runs payroll. How many sick days do I have? 2452 01:55:05,053 --> 01:55:07,213 Speaker 3: I still stand by my belief that we indeed to 2453 01:55:07,253 --> 01:55:11,653 Speaker 3: step up, become power for kiwis and be proud of 2454 01:55:11,693 --> 01:55:14,892 Speaker 3: being healthy, and be proud of the amount of time. 2455 01:55:14,853 --> 01:55:17,293 Speaker 2: I like to show off. You don't like to say 2456 01:55:17,533 --> 01:55:18,613 Speaker 2: I don't take sick days. 2457 01:55:18,772 --> 01:55:20,293 Speaker 4: I don't mean them. And I'm going to hold you 2458 01:55:20,333 --> 01:55:24,693 Speaker 4: to that. Heard it here, folks, he mets off. You 2459 01:55:24,733 --> 01:55:26,333 Speaker 4: know it won't be for seeing us, and he'll be 2460 01:55:26,373 --> 01:55:29,333 Speaker 4: celebrating health and it would just be pure recreational. 2461 01:55:29,693 --> 01:55:31,253 Speaker 2: If I'm off, tyleran, it's because I'm hungover. 2462 01:55:33,413 --> 01:55:36,013 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for today, never never. 2463 01:55:36,053 --> 01:55:38,453 Speaker 2: Never, all right, so much for listening. We'll see tomorrow 2464 01:55:38,493 --> 01:55:39,813 Speaker 2: and give them a taste of Kiwi. 2465 01:56:31,533 --> 01:56:41,173 Speaker 1: H Mattie and Tyler Adams. For more from News Talks 2466 01:56:41,213 --> 01:56:44,413 Speaker 1: at b Listen live on air or online, and keep 2467 01:56:44,453 --> 01:56:47,213 Speaker 1: our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts 2468 01:56:47,253 --> 01:56:48,333 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.