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Speaker 1: The Big Stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to welcome in to the show seven

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Speaker 2: past one. Really really good to have your company this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 3: Get a met geta Tyler good everyone. Oh weight one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighteen eighty is the number nine two nine two

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Speaker 3: if you want to text us, Yes, looking forward to

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Speaker 3: the show today. Just before yeah, Tyler, just for the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Just before this time yesterday, we were talking about the

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Speaker 3: study that came out of Australia on vaping. Yes, because

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Speaker 3: we looked at the study we did and we thought, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is an Australian study. This is interesting.

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Speaker 3: And I asked the question, Tyler, is this this gonna

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Speaker 3: give get you to give up vaping?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And we both pointed time the study did seem a

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Speaker 3: little bit suss that some of it was anecdotal. There

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Speaker 3: were questions, there were differently questions, a lot of emphasis

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Speaker 3: on mouse trials, which is always a red flag when

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Speaker 3: you're listening to scientific studies. But you know, we had

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Speaker 3: a chat about vaping and thankfully you didn't give up

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Speaker 3: vaping on the back of the study because fantastic interview

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Speaker 3: by Heather ce Ellen on the show after us.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, she spoke to renowned health profession professor Rob

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Speaker 2: beganhol and here's what he said to Heather.

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Speaker 4: I think this is an appalling study. It is misleading.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't compare vapors with smokers. It detects very low

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Speaker 4: levels of potentially dangerous substances. But of course what is

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Speaker 4: important is how concentrated, how much of these substances are

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Speaker 4: in the vapes. Vapes, as we know it, are much

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Speaker 4: much less harmful than cigarettes. They help people stop. We

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Speaker 4: need to be encouraging them.

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Speaker 5: The point that has been made by these research is

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Speaker 5: that there is that there's been no comparison studies between

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Speaker 5: vaping and segi smoking.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That is incorrect. There are a lot of comparisons of

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Speaker 4: the toxic ingredients in cigarette smoke and in vape aerosols,

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Speaker 4: and without question, the smoke is much much more dangerous

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Speaker 4: from cigarettes than from aerosols.

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Speaker 5: No question, are we sort of primed to want to

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Speaker 5: find out that vaping is worse than it actually is.

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Speaker 4: There's a beat up against vapes and that is misleading

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Speaker 4: and I would say irresponsible and potentially harmful to an

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Speaker 4: adult who work up this morning thinking well, maybe this

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Speaker 4: is the day I'm going to go to vapes. They

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Speaker 4: see this study headlined, they say, why would I go

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Speaker 4: to vapes if some Australian is telling me that it's

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Speaker 4: causing cancer? It's dangerous?

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Speaker 2: So that was Professor Robert began or renowned health professional

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Speaker 2: and expert in New Zic. But he's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to go through a bit of a list.

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Speaker 2: So Professor Peter Hadjack in Mary University of London says

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Speaker 2: nicotine is not castinogenic after this study. Professor Leon Shahab

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Speaker 2: is problematic for several reasons. It makes extraordinary claims that

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Speaker 2: are not born out by the data. Doctor Baptiste Lron

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Speaker 2: seys it could be misleading I presented to the public.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gavin Stewart's Out of America says this work does

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Speaker 2: not meet methodology. Methodological expectations for evidence synthesis and consequently

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look so this, as I said before,

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Speaker 3: the study felt like bollocks. A little bit didn't and

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Speaker 3: that's why we threw it out with a bunch of caveats.

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Speaker 3: Caveats that is that caveats. Yeah ah, but this is

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Speaker 3: why you have to be careful trusting these people. You know,

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Speaker 3: it looks like the Australian study and its head just

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Speaker 3: people that are doing studies at Universe, they're out for results.

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Speaker 3: They throw this study out there looking for headlines because

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, they're hungry for funding. And so the

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Speaker 3: narrative is that vaping is bad. So if you're trying

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Speaker 3: other areas, right, Absolutely, there's more money about. If you're

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Speaker 3: for that shoddy science, often to the mix and look,

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Speaker 3: and they throw out a study that's got no rigor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no riggor lid headlines up and down the

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Speaker 2: professors in that round push back on there, and you've

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Speaker 2: doing an hour of talk back on it. And people

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Speaker 2: were right that I said, it wasn't going to change

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Speaker 2: better than smoking cigarettes. People were angry at me, saying,

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Speaker 2: a drain on the health system.

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Speaker 3: And people were angry at me because I said, the

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Speaker 3: bit of a wounded anyway, I'm glad you didn't give

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Speaker 2: Me too, I brought another one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I'm glad you didn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean you should for other reasons. Hr for one,

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Speaker 3: unhappy with you vaping in the studio. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: didn't have to get called upstairs, but not from that study.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, geez, I'm gonna tropile a lot lately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's funny to so many people saying it

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Speaker 3: then it's probably a duck. Yes, that's actually probably true

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Speaker 3: of that study. That study was quack like a quack.

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Speaker 2: Nicely said. But good to put that one to bed.

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Speaker 2: Right on to the rest of the show very quickly

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Speaker 2: after three thirty. Gareth Abdnor, our employment law expert, is

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Speaker 2: a free, free advice from Gareth, so chance to get

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Speaker 2: any curly issues you're facing in your workplace. So it

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Speaker 2: always pays to get an early oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: after three o'clock. Fascinating story fact. Fragments of a wrist

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Speaker 2: to the airmen from Norsewood, who died at just nineteen

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Speaker 2: No one's running a draft.

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Speaker 3: Secondly, wow, eighty years to get it back into the family.

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Speaker 3: A long lost arloom returning after many, many years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting stuff. They've always come back with such incredible stories. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to your stories on that after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock, I want to talk about All Birds once,

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Speaker 2: the darling in the fashion industry and one of the

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Speaker 2: about sixty eight million dollars. So the dream, sadly is

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I mean a seven billion dollar in

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Speaker 3: hear people what their thoughts are what went wrong with

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Speaker 3: They were cool and then just so quickly. I mean

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Speaker 3: So, but just just six months before that and was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was wearing them. Leonardo DiCaprio, Yeah, Obama. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how much weight you put on that.

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Speaker 3: But was it because Leonardo DiCaprio and Obama were wearing

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Speaker 3: with middle aged people. I know, yeah, but it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yep, looking forward to your thoughts on that after two

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Speaker 2: o'clock because right now we want to ever talk about

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Speaker 2: the Lord change nearing its final approval. It could soon

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Speaker 2: remove long standing Easter trading restrictions on alcohol sales and bars,

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Speaker 2: cafes and restaurants. They are going through the third reading

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Speaker 2: as we speak, and they're hoping to push it through tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: so that is before Good Friday this year. So it

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Speaker 2: means if customers were usually it was, if customers were

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Speaker 2: get booze. But the proposed reform would remove that. However,

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Speaker 2: off license sales such as those in supermarkets and bottle

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Speaker 2: stores would remain banned on those days. So does this

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Speaker 2: make sense to you? This is changing along tradition in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand that if you went to a restaurant, you

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Speaker 2: went out with your family over Easter weekend and you

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Speaker 2: ordered a substantial meal. That's what it is in the legislation.

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Speaker 2: I think there's fair questions what is a substantial meal.

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Speaker 2: But there is also the argument that these sort of

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Speaker 2: There's un'stended consequences, right, yeah, because of your all go go, go,

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Speaker 3: Quiet? Yeah, quiet moments. Whatever you think about the religious

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 3: These academics are not academics, they're social engineers. Is this text?

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Speaker 2: And taking your thoughts on the Easter alcohol trading reform. Oh,

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: That'd be news talks, there'd be. It is twenty two

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Speaker 3: You're vaping? You vaping?

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Speaker 3: HR. Where's HR they used to be? Now?

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Speaker 2: I think I've got a regular appointment with them.

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Speaker 3: So you've been Grandfather dinners Layer in the studio.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about Easter trading laws. So the reforms

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Speaker 2: You don't have to have a meal anymore. If you

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Speaker 3: To call this? Texas says if businesses want to close

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Speaker 3: Thank you for text. The sticks however, says it's only

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Speaker 2: This break a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? Wayne?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, goodday guys. How are you good?

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Speaker 9: What people seem to be forgetting is if this law,

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Speaker 9: the sale and supply of alcohol at twenty twelve, and

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Speaker 9: it does not affect the trading rules around trading at

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Speaker 9: Easter and where they allow us to go through, we

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Speaker 9: to these people without them by food, Well, those people

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Speaker 9: have to drink it on site because they only have

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Speaker 3: But isn't that wouldn't that just make it the same

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Speaker 9: No, because you don't do a restaurant, you generally eat

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Speaker 9: food with your alcohol, and people know it's actually better

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Speaker 9: it's not good business for a restaurant to have say

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Speaker 3: But that's but that's all the rest of the year.

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Speaker 9: But that's the rest of their Why why do they

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Speaker 2: I'd say, Look, I might be wrong yet, but I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure I'm right, Wayne. And we're going to speak

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Speaker 2: to some hospitality people, but food for many of them

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Speaker 2: that's what that'd argue that if you're in a bar,

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Speaker 9: Yeah. But then what happens when those people then go

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Speaker 2: They'll get arrested. They'll get arrested and they but.

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Speaker 9: That could be avoided on those particular as if the

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Speaker 3: So just just as percentage, because there's just a couple

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Speaker 9: Concerned, any day that we can stop alcohol getting out

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Speaker 3: Would you support only ever being able to sell alcohol

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Speaker 9: For on licenses, Yes, to some extent.

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Speaker 9: What what Yes, it does. But like I say, we

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Speaker 9: have to you know, as adults, we have to learn

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Speaker 9: food while we're drinking alcohol is actually better for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Wayne, appreciate it. Yeah, well, it deffinitely is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because what do you do with the bottle stores?

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Speaker 2: You've got to get pie warmers and they forced to

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 3: When I rode at a bar, is straight to the

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Speaker 3: velvet wrote that's that right, whatever state i'm it's.

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Speaker 2: No pies needed, straight to the front.

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Speaker 3: I was at a bar on one of these days

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Speaker 2: Is Wayne right? If you have a couple of days

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Speaker 2: Or are you happy this reform is coming through? It

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Speaker 1: Well, there the headlines and the hard questions. It's the

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Speaker 13: The FDA with India, what's going on here? The leader

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Speaker 13: New Zealand first doesn't want a bar of but either

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Speaker 14: Had a formal meeting where we went through it or

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Speaker 14: with the negotiators with Chrissie there, glasses there, Spokesman Connor. Look,

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Speaker 14: I've had Damon O'Connor whist me off at the Double

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Speaker 14: German's trow meeting down in Cameroon. Because Trader is meant

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Speaker 14: to be bipartisan. We've been going through it a lot,

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Speaker 13: We've gone back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: So restaurants have been able to sell booze on Easter

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Speaker 3: I'm in favor of closing for Easter and Christmas. I'm

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Speaker 3: hospitality is not productive primary industry, and there's too much

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Speaker 3: mediocre hospital in this case.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, shots fired, right, Well.

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Speaker 3: Maybe only mediocre hospo has to close down. You get

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Get the good people from Michelin on that. Bring back

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put together an argument for that. I'm

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Speaker 3: to be a load of ubbish. This is gonna be good, mate, Kia,

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Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. About time Easter publics relaxed. Why should

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Speaker 3: you be forced to spend time with your family you

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Speaker 3: social friends in the pub? The East Band is not tradition.

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Speaker 3: It is someone else's irrational religious views forced on normal people.

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Speaker 3: No issues at all with people having a few beers

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Speaker 3: during this period, albit ironically a religious holiday. Dave okay,

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Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't like his family. Dave doesn't like his family

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your teachs, Dave, keep those

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Speaker 2: to have a chat with a guy called Greg Wilson.

436
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Speaker 2: He's given us a buzz. He works in the hospitality

437
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Speaker 2: hospitality industry and he's got five of the businesses, so

438
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Speaker 2: we'll get his thoughts on that next it has banged

439
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Speaker 2: on half past one.

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452
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Speaker 15: A bill to loosen restrictions on the sale of alcohol

453
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Speaker 15: at hospitality venues on public holidays could pass in time

454
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Speaker 15: for Easter weekend. We'll have its third reading in Parliament today.

455
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461
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Speaker 15: Now back to Matson Tyler.

462
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Speaker 3: Burn the Bsa're on that terrible organization.

463
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wendy. So we are talking about

464
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Speaker 2: Easter trading laws. They're going to be reformed and it

465
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Speaker 2: may even pass before Good Friday. That means if you

466
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Speaker 2: go to a restaurant you want some booze, you don't

467
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Speaker 2: need to even order food.

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Speaker 3: Why not appease everyone, says Eshley by having total and

469
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Speaker 3: utter closure on Good Friday and then fully open it

470
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Speaker 3: up to everyone to do whatever they want on Sunday.

471
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Speaker 3: I like you, thanking esh So you guy that a

472
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Speaker 3: guy or a girl that looks Ray looks for a compromise.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty to fifty shut it all down on Friday,

474
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Speaker 2: Open everything up now. Greg Wilson has been listening. He

475
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Speaker 2: is part of Epic Hospitality. Greg, good to chat with

476
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Speaker 2: you. You get a guys so made you you run five

477
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Speaker 2: hospital businesses in Wellington. I take it to be pretty

478
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Speaker 2: happy with this reform coming through.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, this is a Harleleujah moment for hospitality. You know,

480
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Speaker 16: right across New Zealand. Who had these archaic laws that

481
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Speaker 16: no one even can remember why he even came up

482
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Speaker 16: with it in the first place, and just the enforcement

483
00:23:36,253 --> 00:23:38,533
Speaker 16: around it, it's just been ridiculous. Like you know, people

484
00:23:38,573 --> 00:23:41,093
Speaker 16: have to come in and eat food, and then has

485
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Speaker 16: to be a substantial amount of food on good Friday,

486
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Speaker 16: and then what's a substantial meal?

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Speaker 10: And then that's how long is a piece of string?

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Speaker 3: How did you how did you how did you sort

489
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Speaker 3: of quantify that as a substantial meal? Did you have

490
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Speaker 3: any anything in place in your mind?

491
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Speaker 8: Yeah, we did.

492
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Speaker 16: Was basically a mains meal would qualify. I mean, look,

493
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Speaker 16: just to tell you how ridiculous it is, like one

494
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Speaker 16: year one of our pubs, we had a whole bunch

495
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Speaker 16: of cops come in about living half as nineteen o'clock

496
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Speaker 16: on the Friday, a bunch of guys who was five guys,

497
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Speaker 16: and they had.

498
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Speaker 10: Four pizzas on the table. The police came over to

499
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Speaker 10: our durn the minute and said, look, sorry and look

500
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Speaker 10: that's not substantial enough. And they had a big debate

501
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Speaker 10: about it.

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Speaker 16: And that's about forty minutes.

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Speaker 10: Can you believe it?

504
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right, that's right. So we had a big

505
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Speaker 16: debate about this, and so we had to give them

506
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Speaker 16: an extra a bottle of fries because that the police did.

507
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Speaker 16: I don't know, you're going to have to get a

508
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Speaker 16: little bit more.

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Speaker 3: So that's crazy that that kind of kind they're kind

510
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Speaker 3: of gray area is problematic. What do you think about

511
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Speaker 3: the why the thing having rules like that? As you say,

512
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Speaker 3: how long is a piece of string? Rules? Just never?

513
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Speaker 2: It's never we ever drafted that, gave substantial meal. That's enough,

514
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Speaker 2: we'll put that in the lord. Everyone will know what

515
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Speaker 2: that means.

516
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Speaker 16: Not Yeah, that'll be fine, you know. And that's and

517
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Speaker 16: they left us with years and it's carried on for

518
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Speaker 16: years and years. It's just almost like they've forgotten to

519
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Speaker 16: deal with it, like someone's finally got around to sorting

520
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Speaker 16: the stupid law out.

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Speaker 3: Hey, from a hospitality perspective, because someone was ringing before

522
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Speaker 3: and saying, you know that it's the pub's just great

523
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Speaker 3: for them because food whatever, But food is often not

524
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Speaker 3: a big money spinner for a lot of hospitality. Would

525
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Speaker 3: that be true, Greg, Yeah, that's right.

526
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Speaker 16: So it's a lot harder to make money out of

527
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Speaker 16: foods than what is alcohol because you know, you're basically

528
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Speaker 16: of a petrol station pouring liquid. So it's a lot

529
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Speaker 16: easier to sell liquid in the glass and prepare mealk

530
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Speaker 16: because a whole lot more to go wrong. But yeah,

531
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Speaker 16: that's generally right, especially for pubs.

532
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And do you would you are you against

533
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Speaker 3: any day being restrictions on hospital and any day of

534
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Speaker 3: the year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a percent.

536
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Speaker 16: I mean, we're not asking for like a relaxation of

537
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Speaker 16: liquor laws. All we're asking for is to be treated

538
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Speaker 16: like every other day of the year because we're talking

539
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Speaker 16: about illegal you know, alcohol is a drug, it's a

540
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Speaker 16: legal products, a legal drug. We're just asking for it

541
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Speaker 16: to be treated like every other day of the year.

542
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Speaker 16: And for individuals in this country to be able to

543
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Speaker 16: have an individual to works of make up their own

544
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Speaker 16: and for those people that you know that don't support it, well,

545
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Speaker 16: they don't come out, sit at home, sit at home,

546
00:26:14,213 --> 00:26:15,173
Speaker 16: you know, don't come out.

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Speaker 3: What's the rule on Christmas Day?

548
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Speaker 17: Greg?

549
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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to think now, I went out for

550
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Speaker 3: Christmas dinner last year, I believe in.

551
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Speaker 2: The day before, isn't it there was certainly maybe there.

552
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Speaker 16: Was pretty much the same rules, pretty much the same

553
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Speaker 16: rules of Christmas Day. So they'll be dealt with us

554
00:26:31,853 --> 00:26:34,733
Speaker 16: with this bill as well. Son't my sort of sweep

555
00:26:34,813 --> 00:26:37,573
Speaker 16: and change nicely tired yet? But you know what nights

556
00:26:37,613 --> 00:26:39,573
Speaker 16: you've heard your head turists, you know from over seas

557
00:26:39,573 --> 00:26:41,413
Speaker 16: and the here and the pub's nice and busy. On

558
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Speaker 16: the Easter Thursday, the next thing, you know, ding ding

559
00:26:43,773 --> 00:26:47,093
Speaker 16: stroke midnight hits. Well, that's that everyone out and all

560
00:26:47,093 --> 00:26:49,173
Speaker 16: the tourists are like, oh, what's going on? This is weird.

561
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Speaker 16: You know, we've come from the other side of the

562
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Speaker 16: planet and we're here for the weekend in Wellington. Oh sorry, no, no,

563
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Speaker 16: you Jesus died about two thousand years ago and we've

564
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Speaker 16: we close having down here and.

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Speaker 3: As you know, well, the interesting thing is the interesting

566
00:27:01,773 --> 00:27:06,053
Speaker 3: thing is is Christianity. Isn't the teetotaling religion. I mean

567
00:27:06,453 --> 00:27:12,013
Speaker 3: Jesus famous the wedding with his mum. Yeah, the first

568
00:27:13,093 --> 00:27:17,013
Speaker 3: first miracle was making the wine. That's right, it was

569
00:27:17,013 --> 00:27:20,333
Speaker 3: his first one. Hey, what what's hospitality like down in Wellington?

570
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Speaker 3: Because I feel in the news there's a lot of

571
00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:24,093
Speaker 3: doom and gloom about Wellington, But I was down there

572
00:27:24,253 --> 00:27:26,333
Speaker 3: a couple of about a month ago, and I went

573
00:27:26,333 --> 00:27:29,933
Speaker 3: out and everything seemed to be rammed and was going off.

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Speaker 16: It's been good, it's been good.

575
00:27:32,413 --> 00:27:33,373
Speaker 11: We just said, Cuba Dooper.

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Speaker 16: The town was just buzzing all weekends. We had a

577
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Speaker 16: record Cuper dooper. We've had a good trading, really good

578
00:27:38,773 --> 00:27:42,293
Speaker 16: trading February. The last six months, it feels like we've

579
00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:44,173
Speaker 16: come out of the come out of the hole. You know,

580
00:27:44,453 --> 00:27:47,613
Speaker 16: hospitality especially well just got hammered with COVID and then

581
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Speaker 16: the recession, and there was a number of bars or

582
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:52,773
Speaker 16: restaurants that were closing, and but you know, some of

583
00:27:52,773 --> 00:27:54,893
Speaker 16: those the media just sort of jump on some of

584
00:27:54,893 --> 00:27:56,773
Speaker 16: those stories. Some of those businesses were at the least

585
00:27:56,853 --> 00:27:59,413
Speaker 16: was coming to an end, or the owner was retiring

586
00:28:00,533 --> 00:28:01,292
Speaker 16: a little bit deeper.

587
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Speaker 3: Sometimes they are a rubbish industry of business. Sometimes the

588
00:28:05,693 --> 00:28:07,573
Speaker 3: owners just taking a lot of cash out of there,

589
00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:10,373
Speaker 3: not covering town. But it all gets tied up as

590
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Speaker 3: as you know.

591
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Speaker 2: The economy's fault.

592
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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, Hahn said, all the governments fyled oh do

593
00:28:16,573 --> 00:28:18,213
Speaker 16: macglam and so yeah. The left wing and the media

594
00:28:18,253 --> 00:28:20,453
Speaker 16: in this country just jump on there at any opportunity,

595
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Speaker 16: especially a Wellington being a sort of political left landing study.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for your call, Greg, and

597
00:28:29,173 --> 00:28:32,213
Speaker 3: good luck, good luck, go well on Friday.

598
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Speaker 2: That is Greg Wilson, the owner of Epic Hospitality. He

599
00:28:35,613 --> 00:28:39,853
Speaker 2: runs five Wellington Hosbow businesses. And he says, hallelujah, this

600
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Speaker 2: is exactly what they need. So what do you say, oh,

601
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Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to

602
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Speaker 2: send a text. Nine two ninety two is that text number?

603
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Speaker 3: And he says, I'm an Anglican who loves Lent Easter

604
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Speaker 3: and the Dristians, which I have come to appreciate more

605
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Speaker 3: since my retirement in my early seventies. I think I

606
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:54,133
Speaker 3: think God for my parents who sent me to a

607
00:28:54,173 --> 00:28:57,813
Speaker 3: school where religion and hymns and morals were very important.

608
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Speaker 3: I hope we keep good Friday as it is, and

609
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Speaker 3: I would not mind shops opening and selling alcohol after

610
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Speaker 3: twelve a day on Easter Sunday, as this Easter is

611
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Speaker 3: a day to celebrate, but if people just want the

612
00:29:08,573 --> 00:29:13,533
Speaker 3: extra holiday as well, then maybe those days should be scrapped.

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Speaker 3: Regards Penny, thank you for your text, Penny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cut on your penny. It is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Back very soon, Matt and Tyler with you as your

616
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Speaker 1: afternoon rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda.

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Speaker 1: Can you crack the code? Please go to codes every

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Speaker 1: Day News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be it is a quarter to two.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the Easter trading laws, the reforms coming

621
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Speaker 2: through potentially on Friday, Greg, how are you?

622
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Good mate? Lust And I listened to the gentleman from

624
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Speaker 17: the hospital and I take on board what he said,

625
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Speaker 17: but I take the point of what Max said before

626
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Speaker 17: about the day of reflection. I'm not particularly religious, and

627
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Speaker 17: I like a beer as much as an ex person.

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Speaker 17: But the world's not going to end if you can't

629
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Speaker 17: drink grog, as you know, and you can surely have

630
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Speaker 17: a couple of days a week with a year as

631
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Speaker 17: it were, that you can have a beer at home

632
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Speaker 17: if you need to. You know that you don't have

633
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Speaker 17: to go out. And this thing that we have to

634
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Speaker 17: be open all the time, like I personally think Boxing

635
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Speaker 17: day should be shut like it used to, just to

636
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Speaker 17: give our shop workers and other people like that a

637
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Speaker 17: bit of time, a bit of a break, you know.

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Speaker 17: And all this stuff about the tourists, well, who comes

639
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Speaker 17: twelve thousand miles just so they can have a beer

640
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Speaker 17: in a restaurant, will go out. They don't just come

641
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Speaker 17: here so they can get on the grog, do they?

642
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Speaker 17: And why do we have to bend everything for the tourists?

643
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Speaker 17: Watch for the best men of this country. I mean

644
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Speaker 17: I've been in front on their steel day and everything

645
00:30:36,773 --> 00:30:39,133
Speaker 17: was pretty well closed up then, but you know it

646
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:41,293
Speaker 17: was no but gar you go there, you accept it,

647
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Speaker 17: And I just think, like you'd be aware of this

648
00:30:44,893 --> 00:30:47,293
Speaker 17: that there's a particular nursery and christ you it's Tyler,

649
00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:52,373
Speaker 17: you probably know about it like everyone. Yeah, and they

650
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Speaker 17: make a big deal theyut opening and breaking the law

651
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Speaker 17: and getting fined and it's just a garade they go

652
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Speaker 17: through every year and they're act or their claimers. Our

653
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,893
Speaker 17: people have got to get out and planned on those days.

654
00:31:03,893 --> 00:31:06,733
Speaker 17: It's one day a year, you know. It's just I

655
00:31:06,773 --> 00:31:09,413
Speaker 17: just think it's good for people's health. And me we

656
00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:13,533
Speaker 17: have a few days we were shut and we all

657
00:31:13,573 --> 00:31:16,733
Speaker 17: get by. We all used to and I just say this,

658
00:31:17,213 --> 00:31:18,893
Speaker 17: you know, it's just a bit over the top. What

659
00:31:18,933 --> 00:31:19,773
Speaker 17: do you guys feel?

660
00:31:20,293 --> 00:31:22,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, Greg think I for you cool.

661
00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:25,093
Speaker 3: So I was going to share and I realized that

662
00:31:25,973 --> 00:31:29,093
Speaker 3: We just spent the start of the show laying into

663
00:31:29,133 --> 00:31:32,133
Speaker 3: that idiotic study that came out of Australia use today

664
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Speaker 3: on vaping.

665
00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:35,053
Speaker 2: Yes, but that's not to say all studies are idiotic,

666
00:31:35,133 --> 00:31:35,653
Speaker 2: just that one.

667
00:31:35,773 --> 00:31:41,013
Speaker 3: So this study Swedish study by researcher Terry haarteche I

668
00:31:41,013 --> 00:31:42,733
Speaker 3: wrote about it in my book. Actually it's a study.

669
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Speaker 3: What they the way they studied holidays was versus antidepressant use,

670
00:31:47,093 --> 00:31:49,093
Speaker 3: and they found out that people are happier when they

671
00:31:49,133 --> 00:31:52,933
Speaker 3: take time off work less antidepressant. Right, But the fact

672
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:56,613
Speaker 3: that happiness increased when many people are on holiday at

673
00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:59,973
Speaker 3: the same time, Yes, so shared time off matters more,

674
00:32:00,093 --> 00:32:03,133
Speaker 3: according to the study than just individual time off. And

675
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:06,613
Speaker 3: the reasons were easier to social when you know that

676
00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:09,253
Speaker 3: other socialis when you know that ever else is free. Yep,

677
00:32:09,453 --> 00:32:11,693
Speaker 3: so it's easy to plan because everyone's going to be

678
00:32:11,693 --> 00:32:14,893
Speaker 3: free when it's when it's definitely a holiday leaves the

679
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:19,253
Speaker 3: anxiety as well for people because work isn't continuing without them,

680
00:32:19,253 --> 00:32:22,373
Speaker 3: so they haven't chosen to take a day off and

681
00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:27,133
Speaker 3: as a result or expected to be there or not

682
00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:30,133
Speaker 3: expected to be there, or work's being done when they're

683
00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:33,173
Speaker 3: when they're not there. Makes sense, and the benefits according

684
00:32:33,213 --> 00:32:37,173
Speaker 3: to this that riple across society. Even retirees feel happier,

685
00:32:37,453 --> 00:32:40,173
Speaker 3: and unemployed people also feel better on weekends due to

686
00:32:40,173 --> 00:32:45,013
Speaker 3: the shared downtime because they also are able to hang

687
00:32:45,053 --> 00:32:49,453
Speaker 3: out with people that do work, and social timing reduces

688
00:32:49,493 --> 00:32:53,173
Speaker 3: feelings of oscillation or shame. And the conclusion was basically,

689
00:32:53,213 --> 00:32:57,773
Speaker 3: happiness is partly driven by synchronized schedules, not just personal freedom.

690
00:32:57,853 --> 00:33:01,253
Speaker 3: So it's not just having time off that makes people happier,

691
00:33:01,773 --> 00:33:05,933
Speaker 3: it's having time off together when you know that everyone

692
00:33:05,973 --> 00:33:08,253
Speaker 3: has the time off. And that is the original idea

693
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Speaker 3: for public holidays being holidays that are called Saints Days

694
00:33:13,573 --> 00:33:17,613
Speaker 3: back in the day. It's the idea that we need

695
00:33:17,653 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 3: times when everyone is off, yes, so there can be

696
00:33:21,813 --> 00:33:24,773
Speaker 3: a collective relaxation, and that's the logic behind them.

697
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Speaker 2: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. I mean, anyone who's

698
00:33:26,773 --> 00:33:29,293
Speaker 2: taken a bit of and you'll leave when everybody else

699
00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:31,573
Speaker 2: is at work. I think most of us would say

700
00:33:31,893 --> 00:33:34,373
Speaker 2: that was a crap holiday. Everybody else was working. I

701
00:33:34,493 --> 00:33:37,533
Speaker 2: hung out by myself, I didn't really do anything. Rather

702
00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:39,853
Speaker 2: than having everybody off at the same time, at least

703
00:33:39,853 --> 00:33:42,093
Speaker 2: you can do stuff with people that you love and

704
00:33:42,173 --> 00:33:43,853
Speaker 2: even if there's a buzz in the city, we've all

705
00:33:43,853 --> 00:33:47,053
Speaker 2: fault it. Maybe not not up in Auckland because everybody

706
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:49,493
Speaker 2: buggers off on a long weekend, but in general, and

707
00:33:49,533 --> 00:33:52,253
Speaker 2: there's energy in a city because everyone's enjoying a day.

708
00:33:52,293 --> 00:33:54,693
Speaker 2: I'll just deal it, just just on a basic level.

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Speaker 3: People that work have their weekends in the middle of

710
00:33:56,613 --> 00:33:58,813
Speaker 3: the week, you know, Yeah, that's how they feel. Was

711
00:33:58,813 --> 00:33:59,453
Speaker 3: that just what you said?

712
00:33:59,453 --> 00:33:59,613
Speaker 10: Then?

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Speaker 3: Yes, well kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, that's right.

714
00:34:02,933 --> 00:34:04,773
Speaker 2: I just try to make the point you just made, well,

715
00:34:04,813 --> 00:34:07,733
Speaker 2: you made it very well, great point. I needed that.

716
00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:10,293
Speaker 3: But equally, I understand what this nightclub owner saying. I

717
00:34:10,333 --> 00:34:12,333
Speaker 3: just have some night clubs and didn't make money on

718
00:34:12,413 --> 00:34:14,613
Speaker 3: the food. Really just had to be able to comply,

719
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:16,813
Speaker 3: had it to be able to comply, but wouldn't kick

720
00:34:16,853 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 3: off until ten thirty pm, and then we had to

721
00:34:19,453 --> 00:34:22,293
Speaker 3: close at twelve on a Saturday night because technically it

722
00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:25,373
Speaker 3: turned into Easter Sunday, and that's where everyone's in town

723
00:34:25,533 --> 00:34:27,813
Speaker 3: and about on the long weekend and you have to

724
00:34:27,893 --> 00:34:30,293
Speaker 3: kick them out and it will cost you a lot

725
00:34:30,973 --> 00:34:33,692
Speaker 3: of money for a couple of hours of income. Yeah,

726
00:34:33,693 --> 00:34:36,933
Speaker 3: I get that. I mean that is you know in

727
00:34:36,973 --> 00:34:41,013
Speaker 3: my partying days, I remember that can get up and

728
00:34:41,293 --> 00:34:43,413
Speaker 3: really going hard on a Saturday.

729
00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:44,973
Speaker 2: You've still got a few of those days left mal

730
00:34:45,093 --> 00:34:46,933
Speaker 2: stood over yet start over yet, but.

731
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Speaker 3: Just ubiquitous parting days. But it was every day and

732
00:34:51,453 --> 00:34:52,853
Speaker 3: then you get kicked out at twelve because it was

733
00:34:52,853 --> 00:34:55,172
Speaker 3: Easter Sunday. That was an nod. It was confusing. It's

734
00:34:55,213 --> 00:34:55,933
Speaker 3: hard to get your hit out.

735
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Speaker 2: It did suck yees taking your calls on O eight

736
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the Good Friday trading laws,

737
00:35:01,613 --> 00:35:04,652
Speaker 2: they're going to be reformed maybe before Friday. That means

738
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:06,853
Speaker 2: you can buy booze without food. Is this a win

739
00:35:06,973 --> 00:35:09,573
Speaker 2: for you or is this met messing with tradition. It

740
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:10,453
Speaker 2: is nine minutes to.

741
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Speaker 1: Two, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight

742
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler

743
00:35:18,093 --> 00:35:19,973
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons.

744
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:23,533
Speaker 2: News talksb news Talks there be. It is seven to

745
00:35:23,813 --> 00:35:26,212
Speaker 2: two and we're talking about the Easter trading laws. It's

746
00:35:26,253 --> 00:35:29,293
Speaker 2: set for reform and it looks like it's going to

747
00:35:29,333 --> 00:35:31,773
Speaker 2: be pushed through before Good Friday this year. In a

748
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:33,692
Speaker 2: couple of days time that means if you go into

749
00:35:33,733 --> 00:35:36,533
Speaker 2: a restaurant and you want some alcohol, you don't have

750
00:35:36,573 --> 00:35:39,613
Speaker 2: to order food anymore. So plenty of texts coming through

751
00:35:39,653 --> 00:35:42,053
Speaker 2: A ninety two niney two. This one says, gooday, guys.

752
00:35:42,093 --> 00:35:45,693
Speaker 2: As someone who works in tourism retail, we only close

753
00:35:45,733 --> 00:35:48,733
Speaker 2: on Christmas Day. I would love if they closed up

754
00:35:48,773 --> 00:35:52,293
Speaker 2: on Easter Friday and Sunday, Christmas and Boxing Days. In fact,

755
00:35:52,373 --> 00:35:56,413
Speaker 2: all of the public holidays, even half day on ad Zac. Sadly,

756
00:35:56,493 --> 00:35:59,333
Speaker 2: in the industry I'm in, we're always open and sometimes

757
00:35:59,333 --> 00:35:59,893
Speaker 2: that sucks.

758
00:36:00,093 --> 00:36:02,973
Speaker 3: This Texas says, awesome show as always, guys, But shut up,

759
00:36:03,013 --> 00:36:04,813
Speaker 3: Heath and let me get pissed this weekend or I'll

760
00:36:04,893 --> 00:36:07,493
Speaker 3: kill you. Love you, hate you, love you, love you

761
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,333
Speaker 3: right there. I'm not trying to think you if your text,

762
00:36:10,373 --> 00:36:14,973
Speaker 3: appreciate it, but you get passed this weekend, mate, it's

763
00:36:15,853 --> 00:36:17,973
Speaker 3: fill your boots you loose, get amongst it.

764
00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:20,013
Speaker 2: A couple more coming through.

765
00:36:20,333 --> 00:36:24,293
Speaker 3: People have the opportunity to organize there and you'll leave anyway.

766
00:36:24,373 --> 00:36:26,893
Speaker 3: So the argument that we need these particular days as

767
00:36:27,053 --> 00:36:29,813
Speaker 3: sacricent as move now, I think you're missing the point there.

768
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:32,453
Speaker 3: Text of the idea is that if everyone knows that

769
00:36:32,653 --> 00:36:37,573
Speaker 3: definitely those days are definitely off, then it can be

770
00:36:37,613 --> 00:36:39,772
Speaker 3: planned in a way because you don't know. You don't

771
00:36:39,813 --> 00:36:41,573
Speaker 3: just get not everyone gets to choose when they get

772
00:36:41,613 --> 00:36:44,732
Speaker 3: the day off. If you're if you're working in hospitality

773
00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:47,652
Speaker 3: in the weekend, then you you can't just say I

774
00:36:47,653 --> 00:36:50,773
Speaker 3: want that week off, that that weekend off. That's not

775
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:51,252
Speaker 3: how it works.

776
00:36:51,293 --> 00:36:54,692
Speaker 2: Exactly. When I first started as a young reporter, I

777
00:36:54,733 --> 00:36:56,613
Speaker 2: had to work the public holidays because that's what you did.

778
00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:59,093
Speaker 2: If you're the youngest and you're only been there for

779
00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:00,813
Speaker 2: a couple of months, then you were forced to work

780
00:37:00,853 --> 00:37:05,853
Speaker 2: those public holidays because you haven't earned enough seniority. But exactly,

781
00:37:06,413 --> 00:37:07,853
Speaker 2: and that sucked. That sucked for me.

782
00:37:08,453 --> 00:37:08,692
Speaker 17: Family.

783
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:11,373
Speaker 2: We're having fun on Good Friday and Easter Sunday and

784
00:37:11,413 --> 00:37:12,212
Speaker 2: I was stuck at work.

785
00:37:12,453 --> 00:37:14,573
Speaker 3: Secondly says it's text and nobody is forced to work.

786
00:37:14,573 --> 00:37:17,053
Speaker 3: That is slavery. If people do not work, want to

787
00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:19,413
Speaker 3: work that day, then take in your leave. That is

788
00:37:19,413 --> 00:37:22,253
Speaker 3: what it's for. Your knowledge of the hospitality business needs

789
00:37:22,293 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 3: a little work. Most of us, yes, I am in

790
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:27,933
Speaker 3: hospital makes similar margins on food and beverage. Really, because

791
00:37:27,973 --> 00:37:29,413
Speaker 3: it wasn't us that said that it was some of

792
00:37:29,453 --> 00:37:33,773
Speaker 3: that owned seven bars, So it's not my knowledge on

793
00:37:33,813 --> 00:37:36,773
Speaker 3: that Muppet show of a text my business is about

794
00:37:36,893 --> 00:37:38,853
Speaker 3: as a bar, but forty percent of a revenue is

795
00:37:38,893 --> 00:37:41,172
Speaker 3: from food. What kind of business would I be running

796
00:37:41,213 --> 00:37:43,293
Speaker 3: a forty percent of my turnover was a lost leader

797
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:46,013
Speaker 3: a different business than the one that we were talking to. Anyway,

798
00:37:46,053 --> 00:37:48,933
Speaker 3: this pusiness is going on and on and not really

799
00:37:49,253 --> 00:37:53,493
Speaker 3: understanding the point because the thing is having to work

800
00:37:53,933 --> 00:37:59,373
Speaker 3: and slavery not mutually exclusive. I mean I have to work, yep,

801
00:37:59,453 --> 00:38:01,773
Speaker 3: but it's not slave labor. No, I mean it wouldn't be.

802
00:38:01,933 --> 00:38:06,013
Speaker 3: If I start working. There's no one chaining me up

803
00:38:06,013 --> 00:38:08,293
Speaker 3: and making me do this job. But there's also no

804
00:38:08,493 --> 00:38:09,653
Speaker 3: way I could stop working.

805
00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:12,813
Speaker 2: You get paid handsomely as well. Yeah, great discussion. Thank

806
00:38:12,853 --> 00:38:15,053
Speaker 2: you very much for all your texts and phone calls.

807
00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:17,652
Speaker 2: Really enjoyed that. Coming up after two o'clock, it's going

808
00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:21,093
Speaker 2: to be an interesting discussion. All Birds, once the darling

809
00:38:21,133 --> 00:38:23,133
Speaker 2: in the fashion world, and certainly a darling of a

810
00:38:23,133 --> 00:38:26,333
Speaker 2: company in New Zealand, once worth around seven billion, has

811
00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:28,692
Speaker 2: agreed to sell its assets for a fraction of that value,

812
00:38:28,693 --> 00:38:30,413
Speaker 2: about sixty eight million bucks.

813
00:38:30,493 --> 00:38:35,813
Speaker 3: So was the business all based on sustain ability, sustainable sneakers,

814
00:38:36,533 --> 00:38:41,013
Speaker 3: and it has gone out of fashion. Let's really so

815
00:38:41,093 --> 00:38:42,853
Speaker 3: does no one care about sustainability? Yeah?

816
00:38:42,893 --> 00:38:45,533
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred has that gone out of fashion?

817
00:38:45,653 --> 00:38:45,773
Speaker 18: Oh?

818
00:38:45,813 --> 00:38:47,333
Speaker 2: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

819
00:38:47,373 --> 00:38:47,533
Speaker 8: A call?

820
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:50,453
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is the text number. News coming up?

821
00:38:51,253 --> 00:38:54,453
Speaker 10: Swell swell la.

822
00:38:54,853 --> 00:39:06,213
Speaker 1: Weegain, big stories, the bleig issues, the big trends and

823
00:39:06,573 --> 00:39:09,773
Speaker 1: everything in between, and kids and Heath and Tyler Adams.

824
00:39:09,813 --> 00:39:14,133
Speaker 1: Afternoon squid Shodder News Talk said, be very.

825
00:39:13,973 --> 00:39:16,733
Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Wednesday,

826
00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:18,333
Speaker 2: seven past too.

827
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:20,692
Speaker 3: So good to be here. Hey, just before we get

828
00:39:20,773 --> 00:39:23,013
Speaker 3: stuck into this topic for this hour, which will be

829
00:39:23,253 --> 00:39:25,413
Speaker 3: all birds. You know, the other day I was talking

830
00:39:25,413 --> 00:39:26,093
Speaker 3: about this movie.

831
00:39:31,973 --> 00:39:35,613
Speaker 1: Please date your name, Ryan Grace, please walk up from

832
00:39:35,653 --> 00:39:36,133
Speaker 1: a como.

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00:39:37,213 --> 00:39:41,733
Speaker 3: Thanks years from my apartment of course, project Hailmia.

834
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,533
Speaker 2: Yeah I can hear Ryan Gosling.

835
00:39:43,613 --> 00:39:45,933
Speaker 3: It came out a couple of weeks ago, and you know,

836
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:50,533
Speaker 3: movies come out and then we don't really talk about them,

837
00:39:50,613 --> 00:39:53,413
Speaker 3: yes anymore, you just do them on the release. This

838
00:39:53,573 --> 00:39:55,293
Speaker 3: movie is so good I just thought i'd bring it again.

839
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:57,093
Speaker 3: I went to I've been to it twice now, right,

840
00:39:57,213 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 3: And this is what a lot of people are saying

841
00:39:58,533 --> 00:40:01,813
Speaker 3: about this movie. It stars Ryan Gosling. It's based on

842
00:40:01,853 --> 00:40:05,772
Speaker 3: the book of the same name by Andy were fantastic book,

843
00:40:05,813 --> 00:40:08,772
Speaker 3: same same book, same guy that wrote The Martian. And

844
00:40:09,013 --> 00:40:10,413
Speaker 3: of course The Martian was a good movie as well,

845
00:40:10,453 --> 00:40:14,453
Speaker 3: great movie. Yeah, Matt Damon in it. But I just

846
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:18,013
Speaker 3: this movie is quite incredible how well it's doing at

847
00:40:18,013 --> 00:40:24,893
Speaker 3: the box office. And it's a straight old fashions, feel

848
00:40:24,933 --> 00:40:26,853
Speaker 3: good word of mouth movie, I guess is what you

849
00:40:26,973 --> 00:40:29,653
Speaker 3: describe it as. But I was just looking at sometimes

850
00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:31,413
Speaker 3: I like to look at box office numbers. There's something

851
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:32,613
Speaker 3: weird about it.

852
00:40:32,773 --> 00:40:33,013
Speaker 19: You know.

853
00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:37,253
Speaker 3: Normally a typical Hollymollet movie will we'll look at We'll

854
00:40:37,293 --> 00:40:40,732
Speaker 3: have you know, box office declines drop offs from week

855
00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:43,013
Speaker 3: to week of like fifty sometimes even seventy percent. If

856
00:40:43,013 --> 00:40:44,893
Speaker 3: it's a Marvel movie. Often the next week it will

857
00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:47,133
Speaker 3: drop off seventy percent from so you have this big

858
00:40:47,213 --> 00:40:50,933
Speaker 3: fanfare of this massive box office number, people go to it,

859
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:52,813
Speaker 3: tell everyone how bad it was, and then no one

860
00:40:52,853 --> 00:40:53,413
Speaker 3: goes next.

861
00:40:53,293 --> 00:40:55,693
Speaker 2: Week, right, quite golm and it's all hype.

862
00:40:55,373 --> 00:41:00,772
Speaker 3: But this movie had a five percent international decline, which

863
00:41:00,813 --> 00:41:04,093
Speaker 3: is completely unheard of. Wow, so just dropped five percent

864
00:41:04,173 --> 00:41:07,333
Speaker 3: internationally in the box office from from its first week.

865
00:41:07,773 --> 00:41:10,373
Speaker 3: That I mean that it's just phenomenal, and they haven't

866
00:41:10,413 --> 00:41:13,373
Speaker 3: they haven't been advertising it more and did the same

867
00:41:13,413 --> 00:41:14,652
Speaker 3: thing with a big movie. I mean, did it cost

868
00:41:14,653 --> 00:41:16,053
Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars so they need to make a

869
00:41:16,053 --> 00:41:16,652
Speaker 3: bit of money back?

870
00:41:16,733 --> 00:41:17,933
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But a marketing evolved.

871
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:19,813
Speaker 3: But the first week it came out and there was

872
00:41:19,853 --> 00:41:23,212
Speaker 3: a bit of hoopler, a few interviews with the star

873
00:41:23,413 --> 00:41:27,453
Speaker 3: and such and and but then it's just kept going

874
00:41:27,493 --> 00:41:30,413
Speaker 3: and the growth in the movie and well, the hold

875
00:41:30,413 --> 00:41:32,133
Speaker 3: in the movie is purely from weird of mouth, because

876
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:34,453
Speaker 3: there's no one that goes to Project Hail Mary and

877
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:37,693
Speaker 3: doesn't go that was a great movie. Yeah, that was

878
00:41:37,773 --> 00:41:40,733
Speaker 3: just a good, good, good movie in the way that

879
00:41:40,813 --> 00:41:42,293
Speaker 3: movies used to just be real good.

880
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:44,253
Speaker 2: I'm just having to look at the reviews now on

881
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:47,333
Speaker 2: IMDb and take what you will from that site. But

882
00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:51,173
Speaker 2: from user reviews ten ten stars, ten stars, ten stars,

883
00:41:51,293 --> 00:41:53,893
Speaker 2: nine stars, ten stars, that's a great sign. There's a

884
00:41:54,013 --> 00:41:56,053
Speaker 2: very good sign that the people are absolutely loving it

885
00:41:56,133 --> 00:41:58,293
Speaker 2: and it is getting people back in cinemas right I mean,

886
00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:00,333
Speaker 2: I'm hoping there's still people going to cinetas, but we

887
00:42:00,453 --> 00:42:02,253
Speaker 2: knew there was a drop off, and it's it's a

888
00:42:02,373 --> 00:42:05,533
Speaker 2: rare sy when a movie comes along like that one,

889
00:42:05,573 --> 00:42:07,933
Speaker 2: as you say, one, it stays in the top of

890
00:42:07,933 --> 00:42:10,173
Speaker 2: the charts for a long time. It gets people fizzed

891
00:42:10,213 --> 00:42:11,213
Speaker 2: up about going to the cinema.

892
00:42:11,253 --> 00:42:13,933
Speaker 3: I think the last one like this was Top Gun Maverick,

893
00:42:14,253 --> 00:42:17,053
Speaker 3: which just kept going and going and going because it

894
00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:19,813
Speaker 3: was feel good, gave you everything you want in a movie,

895
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:22,933
Speaker 3: a great a list star that really holds it together,

896
00:42:23,093 --> 00:42:26,573
Speaker 3: incredible special effects. And this story is probably a bit

897
00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 3: more complex than Maverick. I mean, if one was another

898
00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:29,533
Speaker 3: one like.

899
00:42:29,493 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 2: This as well, yep that it was a fantastic movie.

900
00:42:31,413 --> 00:42:32,773
Speaker 3: It's hard to put your finger on it. But they're

901
00:42:32,893 --> 00:42:36,453
Speaker 3: they're sort of an old school movie. They're just a blockbuster.

902
00:42:36,693 --> 00:42:39,253
Speaker 3: Yeap new ip great.

903
00:42:39,093 --> 00:42:42,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic, Go down, go to the cinema, check it out.

904
00:42:42,333 --> 00:42:46,093
Speaker 2: Hail Mary project, Hail Mary looks phenomenal. I've been twice

905
00:42:46,373 --> 00:42:51,212
Speaker 2: exactly will you go third? No, okay, twice. How many

906
00:42:51,253 --> 00:42:52,213
Speaker 2: times do you go to IF One?

907
00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:53,652
Speaker 3: I went ti IF one three times.

908
00:42:53,693 --> 00:42:54,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Good from you.

909
00:42:54,933 --> 00:42:56,413
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a guy that goes to a lot

910
00:42:56,413 --> 00:42:58,853
Speaker 3: of movies. You do love the cinema? Yeah, yeah, I

911
00:42:58,933 --> 00:43:01,453
Speaker 3: went to Mavericks three times. They're your top gun Maverick. Actually,

912
00:43:01,493 --> 00:43:04,813
Speaker 3: God damn, I'll go to Project hel Yeah, I'll do it.

913
00:43:04,933 --> 00:43:05,732
Speaker 2: Keep it in the chart.

914
00:43:05,853 --> 00:43:06,373
Speaker 3: Can't stop me.

915
00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:09,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, go and see your project Hail Mary. Let's get

916
00:43:09,173 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 2: into this discussion. All Birds, New Zealands. So this was

917
00:43:12,813 --> 00:43:15,973
Speaker 2: once a high flying, eco friendly shoe brand that reached

918
00:43:15,973 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 2: a valuation of around seven billion dollars. It certainly was

919
00:43:19,653 --> 00:43:21,893
Speaker 2: the daline of the fashion world for a certain period

920
00:43:21,893 --> 00:43:24,613
Speaker 2: of time. It was hyped up in New Zealand. We

921
00:43:24,613 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 2: were very proud of what Tim Brown, the former All

922
00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:31,173
Speaker 2: White Captain, did with that particular brand. But sadly news

923
00:43:31,253 --> 00:43:33,853
Speaker 2: is out today that it has agreed to sell its

924
00:43:33,893 --> 00:43:36,533
Speaker 2: assets for a fraction of the value, about sixty eight

925
00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:39,573
Speaker 2: million dollars according to The Herald. So this move follows

926
00:43:39,653 --> 00:43:43,093
Speaker 2: years of declining sales, financial losses and failed attempts to

927
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:45,933
Speaker 2: expand beyond its original sneaker success.

928
00:43:46,053 --> 00:43:47,933
Speaker 3: So what happened with All Birds? I mean, we were

929
00:43:47,933 --> 00:43:49,853
Speaker 3: so happy and proud as a nation, and we probably

930
00:43:49,853 --> 00:43:51,333
Speaker 3: should still be. I mean, it got up to a

931
00:43:51,333 --> 00:43:54,493
Speaker 3: seven billion dollar valuation just from an idea that was

932
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:58,813
Speaker 3: rustled up in a flat in twenty fourteen and Wellington. Yeah,

933
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:02,812
Speaker 3: so you know, whatever you say, arguably for Tim Brown,

934
00:44:02,853 --> 00:44:05,613
Speaker 3: the founder, it's a success story. I mean for him

935
00:44:05,613 --> 00:44:08,053
Speaker 3: it is, right. I mentioned he's still got a few

936
00:44:08,093 --> 00:44:11,212
Speaker 3: dollars floating around. I feel all birds dollars floating around

937
00:44:11,213 --> 00:44:11,533
Speaker 3: in the bank.

938
00:44:11,613 --> 00:44:11,813
Speaker 1: Yep.

939
00:44:12,333 --> 00:44:15,493
Speaker 3: But what went wrong there? Because essentially the people that

940
00:44:15,493 --> 00:44:21,613
Speaker 3: have bought it, they just buy distressed air sets. They've

941
00:44:21,693 --> 00:44:25,293
Speaker 3: just bought the you know, the ip really, so to

942
00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:30,173
Speaker 3: drop off from right down to thirty nine million from

943
00:44:30,213 --> 00:44:32,973
Speaker 3: from the heights that it reached ninety nine point five

944
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:37,893
Speaker 3: crash in the sheer price? What went wrong? What went wrong?

945
00:44:38,053 --> 00:44:43,333
Speaker 3: Because on a very basic level, all Birds shoes were

946
00:44:43,653 --> 00:44:47,973
Speaker 3: cool and then suddenly incredibly uncoll And how did that happen?

947
00:44:48,293 --> 00:44:48,613
Speaker 2: Yeah?

948
00:44:48,653 --> 00:44:51,613
Speaker 3: Because even I felt it. I felt that I felt

949
00:44:51,653 --> 00:44:53,413
Speaker 3: and I don't care about fashion, but I felt that

950
00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:55,853
Speaker 3: wearing all birds were suddenly kind of weird.

951
00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:59,172
Speaker 2: And it happened so suddenly because everybody was buying all

952
00:44:59,173 --> 00:45:01,493
Speaker 2: Birds and loving all birds, and then it felt like

953
00:45:01,573 --> 00:45:03,533
Speaker 2: it was probably over the space of six months. But

954
00:45:03,573 --> 00:45:06,853
Speaker 2: to me, it felt like almost overnight that all birds

955
00:45:06,853 --> 00:45:08,493
Speaker 2: were all the raven. If you didn't have them, you're

956
00:45:08,533 --> 00:45:12,333
Speaker 2: a loser. Then almost overnight, you're a loser. If you

957
00:45:12,373 --> 00:45:13,733
Speaker 2: go out and your will, you're all birds.

958
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:18,413
Speaker 3: So to people, is this situation that this is sustainability thing,

959
00:45:18,453 --> 00:45:20,533
Speaker 3: which was a big part of it, just does people

960
00:45:20,573 --> 00:45:22,853
Speaker 3: don't care about it? Because one of the reasons why

961
00:45:22,893 --> 00:45:27,773
Speaker 3: all birds lost value was that people were just hiffing

962
00:45:27,853 --> 00:45:32,253
Speaker 3: up cheaper imitations. Yes that weren't as sustainable, so people

963
00:45:32,253 --> 00:45:33,893
Speaker 3: were like, well, I want that kind of shoe. Did

964
00:45:33,933 --> 00:45:37,133
Speaker 3: people do it? Do people actually care sustainability actually a

965
00:45:37,773 --> 00:45:40,213
Speaker 3: thing that people throw their money at or not?

966
00:45:41,733 --> 00:45:46,692
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a good question, I would argue right now,

967
00:45:46,773 --> 00:45:47,973
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. There be a lot of

968
00:45:48,013 --> 00:45:50,853
Speaker 2: people that would say sustainability is very important to them

969
00:45:50,893 --> 00:45:52,773
Speaker 2: and they want to support the likes of particularly in

970
00:45:52,773 --> 00:45:54,893
Speaker 2: New Zealand, New Zealand Will and New Zealand Will is

971
00:45:54,893 --> 00:45:58,253
Speaker 2: a fantastic product. But when push comes to shove, I

972
00:45:58,493 --> 00:46:01,093
Speaker 2: just think that is a little bit of tokenism to

973
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:03,253
Speaker 2: say we really care about how a shoe is made.

974
00:46:03,413 --> 00:46:06,133
Speaker 2: I think most people, if you're being honest, do you

975
00:46:06,213 --> 00:46:08,893
Speaker 2: really care if that shoe is being made in the

976
00:46:09,013 --> 00:46:12,252
Speaker 2: likes of Bangladesh versus being made here at home.

977
00:46:12,373 --> 00:46:14,613
Speaker 3: Well, these ones were being made in Vietnam, okay, right,

978
00:46:14,693 --> 00:46:16,893
Speaker 3: so all birds were being made in Vietnam. It's unfortunate

979
00:46:16,933 --> 00:46:19,493
Speaker 3: and that was part of what really put the nail

980
00:46:19,533 --> 00:46:23,013
Speaker 3: in the coffin, was with the tariffs at a Vietnam.

981
00:46:23,053 --> 00:46:27,413
Speaker 3: But you know, all Birds it was genuine, genuine innovation story,

982
00:46:27,933 --> 00:46:31,813
Speaker 3: sustainable material materials. They went global out of out of Wellington,

983
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:35,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand. They had a strong brand. Was it just

984
00:46:35,853 --> 00:46:38,652
Speaker 3: was it just tariffs and copycats and went down or

985
00:46:38,973 --> 00:46:41,893
Speaker 3: was the whole thing just just sort of a one

986
00:46:41,893 --> 00:46:46,493
Speaker 3: of those classic over hypes with weak fundamental situations.

987
00:46:46,573 --> 00:46:48,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's an interesting story.

988
00:46:48,813 --> 00:46:52,413
Speaker 3: Are you still reading? Are you still wearing your all birds?

989
00:46:52,413 --> 00:46:52,573
Speaker 16: Out?

990
00:46:52,573 --> 00:46:52,853
Speaker 3: There?

991
00:46:52,733 --> 00:46:52,813
Speaker 17: Are?

992
00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:53,853
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighteen.

993
00:46:53,693 --> 00:46:56,252
Speaker 2: Eighty nine two ninety two is the text giving us.

994
00:46:56,213 --> 00:47:00,133
Speaker 3: Said octually Bloomfield wore all birds. Well, I mean maybe

995
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:00,973
Speaker 3: that was the problem, but.

996
00:47:00,933 --> 00:47:02,093
Speaker 2: They're just going to take a knock to the show.

997
00:47:02,093 --> 00:47:04,652
Speaker 3: I mean that's obviously going to kick Actually, Bloomfield wearing

998
00:47:04,653 --> 00:47:06,253
Speaker 3: all birds is obviously going to kick in the guts

999
00:47:06,293 --> 00:47:07,893
Speaker 3: and to the new Zealand market, but they didn't explain

1000
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:08,732
Speaker 3: the internet problem.

1001
00:47:08,813 --> 00:47:10,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do

1002
00:47:11,013 --> 00:47:13,293
Speaker 2: you still love your All Birds? And what do you

1003
00:47:13,333 --> 00:47:15,453
Speaker 2: think actually went wrong with the company? Why do we

1004
00:47:15,813 --> 00:47:18,253
Speaker 2: and the world fall out of love with them? It

1005
00:47:18,373 --> 00:47:21,013
Speaker 2: is a quarter past two. We will be back very surely.

1006
00:47:21,453 --> 00:47:25,933
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.

1007
00:47:26,093 --> 00:47:29,573
Speaker 1: Afternoons call, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

1008
00:47:29,693 --> 00:47:30,053
Speaker 1: They'd be.

1009
00:47:31,853 --> 00:47:34,693
Speaker 2: Very good afternoons you seventeen past ten. We're talking about

1010
00:47:34,733 --> 00:47:38,093
Speaker 2: the downfall of All Birds. Certainly was a darling in

1011
00:47:38,093 --> 00:47:40,933
Speaker 2: the fashion industry and very much loved and we were

1012
00:47:41,053 --> 00:47:43,893
Speaker 2: very proud of that company that was started by Tim

1013
00:47:43,933 --> 00:47:46,493
Speaker 2: Brown and a little garage on Cuba Street in Wellington.

1014
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:49,773
Speaker 2: But unfortunately now from a height of seven billion dollars

1015
00:47:49,853 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 2: value is now going to be sold for sixty eight millions.

1016
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:53,133
Speaker 2: So what went wrong?

1017
00:47:53,693 --> 00:47:56,813
Speaker 3: Gloria loves them? I have three pairs All Birds, love

1018
00:47:56,853 --> 00:47:59,973
Speaker 3: them and still wear them. Good on your Gloria three pairs?

1019
00:48:00,453 --> 00:48:04,573
Speaker 3: A better stock up now, Chris Welling the show. What

1020
00:48:04,613 --> 00:48:05,812
Speaker 3: do you think? What do you think about the whole

1021
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:09,652
Speaker 3: All Birds saga? And how you doing good, very well,

1022
00:48:09,733 --> 00:48:10,172
Speaker 3: good mate.

1023
00:48:10,653 --> 00:48:12,613
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's kind of it's sad to hear about it.

1024
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:16,533
Speaker 20: I don't I guess about five peers in my lifetime

1025
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 20: of all but the last pair. Yeah, but the last

1026
00:48:19,493 --> 00:48:22,093
Speaker 20: pair I bought. I thought this will be the last

1027
00:48:22,293 --> 00:48:24,613
Speaker 20: last time I wear these or bardon and I was

1028
00:48:24,613 --> 00:48:26,533
Speaker 20: given my reasons. I mean, first of all, I thought

1029
00:48:27,693 --> 00:48:32,053
Speaker 20: they look great, Brigod Baxter in terms of the sustainability

1030
00:48:32,133 --> 00:48:33,973
Speaker 20: things like that, and that does help your decision making

1031
00:48:33,973 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 20: and so and then you see Barack Obama and Leonardo DiCaprio,

1032
00:48:39,013 --> 00:48:41,732
Speaker 20: those types, we're in the round place. They did quite

1033
00:48:41,733 --> 00:48:44,013
Speaker 20: well on that influence the kind of side of things.

1034
00:48:44,293 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 20: But then eventually I just found they got quite kind

1035
00:48:46,853 --> 00:48:50,373
Speaker 20: of worn out and tatty right right, and you just

1036
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:53,213
Speaker 20: kind of split thread beer and it's like it's whereas

1037
00:48:53,253 --> 00:48:56,413
Speaker 20: other other sneakers I kind of find didn't do that.

1038
00:48:56,853 --> 00:48:58,013
Speaker 20: And I kind of think in the end it was

1039
00:48:58,093 --> 00:48:59,813
Speaker 20: just came down to that they just started looking a

1040
00:48:59,813 --> 00:49:03,013
Speaker 20: little bit I don't know, right around the edges.

1041
00:49:03,133 --> 00:49:05,573
Speaker 3: Did you always get the ones, you know, the classical bird,

1042
00:49:05,693 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: which is the I guess Gray wool with with the

1043
00:49:10,253 --> 00:49:13,533
Speaker 3: you know, the soul, you know, just the classical bird. Yeah. Yeah.

1044
00:49:13,893 --> 00:49:16,293
Speaker 3: They branched down of different types of shoes after a while,

1045
00:49:16,293 --> 00:49:16,772
Speaker 3: didn't they.

1046
00:49:17,533 --> 00:49:19,293
Speaker 20: They did, Yeah, And then I kind of felt that

1047
00:49:19,613 --> 00:49:20,933
Speaker 20: a lot of it was just starting to look a

1048
00:49:20,933 --> 00:49:24,013
Speaker 20: little bit kind of getting off track, getting off track

1049
00:49:24,053 --> 00:49:26,493
Speaker 20: of it as they tried to, you know, diversify and

1050
00:49:26,533 --> 00:49:29,652
Speaker 20: so on, and that that original format I just kind

1051
00:49:29,693 --> 00:49:32,733
Speaker 20: of felt just just fell apart to quickly but just

1052
00:49:32,853 --> 00:49:33,733
Speaker 20: looked quite kacky.

1053
00:49:34,053 --> 00:49:36,692
Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you the kind of Are you the kind

1054
00:49:36,693 --> 00:49:40,413
Speaker 3: of guy? Would you just describe yourself as a fashion easter? Chris?

1055
00:49:40,613 --> 00:49:41,813
Speaker 3: You follow the at all.

1056
00:49:42,853 --> 00:49:45,652
Speaker 20: Too vaguely, but not at all. I bought themselves up

1057
00:49:45,693 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 20: because they were really really comfortable to weir, you still are, Yeah,

1058
00:49:49,613 --> 00:49:52,013
Speaker 20: but but I kind of think that, you know, it's

1059
00:49:52,173 --> 00:49:54,692
Speaker 20: it's the other things that that kind of put me off,

1060
00:49:54,733 --> 00:49:57,613
Speaker 20: and then suddenly they just feel like, Okay, this just

1061
00:49:57,653 --> 00:50:00,053
Speaker 20: feels feels wrong now because I'm buying these shoes and

1062
00:50:00,093 --> 00:50:02,733
Speaker 20: they're three or four months later and they're just looking

1063
00:50:02,773 --> 00:50:03,653
Speaker 20: like I need another.

1064
00:50:03,453 --> 00:50:04,693
Speaker 3: Ride, and so and so.

1065
00:50:04,693 --> 00:50:04,813
Speaker 10: So.

1066
00:50:05,133 --> 00:50:07,773
Speaker 3: It was the story you for want a bit of

1067
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:10,853
Speaker 3: a wood brought into the story, the sustainability that the

1068
00:50:10,933 --> 00:50:13,613
Speaker 3: Kiwi guy doing well, and you were willing to back

1069
00:50:13,653 --> 00:50:15,533
Speaker 3: them for five peers on the back of that, but

1070
00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:18,973
Speaker 3: in the end they what got you off was just

1071
00:50:19,013 --> 00:50:21,333
Speaker 3: that they weren't delivering what they needed to deliver for you.

1072
00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:24,493
Speaker 20: Yeah, they just kind of let me down because I

1073
00:50:24,493 --> 00:50:26,493
Speaker 20: I thought it's quite like they were quite a unique

1074
00:50:26,533 --> 00:50:28,573
Speaker 20: design to spartament as well, which I thought was pretty cool.

1075
00:50:29,813 --> 00:50:31,973
Speaker 20: And as I say, certainly, I thought I thought that

1076
00:50:32,053 --> 00:50:34,772
Speaker 20: whole influence, a kind of strategy that had in place

1077
00:50:34,893 --> 00:50:37,613
Speaker 20: was really good, and good on all these people for

1078
00:50:37,653 --> 00:50:39,413
Speaker 20: getting into them. But in the end they just kind

1079
00:50:39,413 --> 00:50:41,172
Speaker 20: of the I felt as though they let me down.

1080
00:50:41,413 --> 00:50:44,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And what's your next pair of shoes? Looking

1081
00:50:44,533 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 3: like with your.

1082
00:50:45,253 --> 00:50:48,493
Speaker 20: Well actually straight? It's so funny, you would ask. I

1083
00:50:48,733 --> 00:50:50,493
Speaker 20: was I needed to get a peer because I went

1084
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:52,813
Speaker 20: over to Australia over a New Year break and I wint, oh,

1085
00:50:52,813 --> 00:50:54,133
Speaker 20: I need a pair of sneaches. So I did a

1086
00:50:54,173 --> 00:50:56,773
Speaker 20: lot of working around the place and I went in

1087
00:50:56,813 --> 00:50:59,173
Speaker 20: to the local we live down here in Healthon, and

1088
00:50:59,213 --> 00:51:01,013
Speaker 20: I bought myself for the first ever time, a pair

1089
00:51:01,053 --> 00:51:06,493
Speaker 20: of sketches. Sketches is that any fats anyway? And I

1090
00:51:06,533 --> 00:51:08,172
Speaker 20: thought I thought they were kind of like, you know,

1091
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:12,533
Speaker 20: like your grandfather's shoes. But actually I'd recommend them that

1092
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:15,573
Speaker 20: the most really really they look great and they're very comfortable,

1093
00:51:16,213 --> 00:51:17,773
Speaker 20: So I might stick at the East for a while.

1094
00:51:17,613 --> 00:51:22,453
Speaker 3: After because Sketches have had the sort of fashion problems

1095
00:51:22,533 --> 00:51:24,093
Speaker 3: or cool problems.

1096
00:51:24,293 --> 00:51:26,533
Speaker 2: For one of the they were cooling the night, very

1097
00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:29,333
Speaker 2: cool in the early two thousand years, Skitches were I

1098
00:51:29,373 --> 00:51:32,533
Speaker 2: think it was kind of associated with the skater fraternity.

1099
00:51:32,653 --> 00:51:33,013
Speaker 3: Were they?

1100
00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:33,293
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1101
00:51:33,413 --> 00:51:34,293
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1102
00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:37,252
Speaker 20: But then they somehow and I heard my cost give

1103
00:51:37,293 --> 00:51:40,933
Speaker 20: them a really hard time. So I thought they must

1104
00:51:40,933 --> 00:51:42,493
Speaker 20: be really good. They must be really good, but they

1105
00:51:42,493 --> 00:51:47,173
Speaker 20: won't give them the boots exactly. The wearing All Birds

1106
00:51:47,413 --> 00:51:49,933
Speaker 20: apparently was put them on the way out. But maybe

1107
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:53,173
Speaker 20: I skar putting the boot into sketches might help them.

1108
00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:57,133
Speaker 20: But it certainly made me reinforce my purtures that he

1109
00:51:57,133 --> 00:51:58,973
Speaker 20: didn't like them.

1110
00:52:00,293 --> 00:52:03,973
Speaker 3: Tait was on board the sketches, wasn't She was, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

1111
00:52:03,973 --> 00:52:05,573
Speaker 3: there we go, here we go ride.

1112
00:52:05,973 --> 00:52:06,773
Speaker 20: I'm right up with the.

1113
00:52:06,733 --> 00:52:10,013
Speaker 2: Young you certainly, Chris. Thanks for your call, Chris, Yeah,

1114
00:52:10,053 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 2: great call. So you like Chris one hundred and eighty

1115
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:14,973
Speaker 2: ten eighty where you're a big All Birds fan. But

1116
00:52:15,053 --> 00:52:17,253
Speaker 2: then I think he's right about the story because when

1117
00:52:17,253 --> 00:52:19,652
Speaker 2: it started off, we all got very excited. We love

1118
00:52:20,133 --> 00:52:22,533
Speaker 2: boosting up New Zealand war. We get very proud about

1119
00:52:22,533 --> 00:52:24,453
Speaker 2: it when we can find uses for it. But then

1120
00:52:24,533 --> 00:52:27,652
Speaker 2: I think when he expanded into the US and then

1121
00:52:27,693 --> 00:52:30,053
Speaker 2: in Australia and tried to and this is often the

1122
00:52:30,053 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 2: problem when you build a company like that stratospheric levels,

1123
00:52:34,013 --> 00:52:36,733
Speaker 2: you lose the essence of what you were originally. It

1124
00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 2: just didn't start to feel like good old New Zealand

1125
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:42,853
Speaker 2: can do attitude. It started to feel like Obama will

1126
00:52:42,853 --> 00:52:44,973
Speaker 2: wear my shoes, DiCaprio will wear my shoes. If you

1127
00:52:44,973 --> 00:52:46,333
Speaker 2: don't wear my shoes, you're a loser.

1128
00:52:46,533 --> 00:52:49,093
Speaker 3: Well i'll tell you what. Here's here's here's some grassroots

1129
00:52:49,133 --> 00:52:51,213
Speaker 3: shoe wearing right here. I'm a nurse and have several

1130
00:52:51,213 --> 00:52:53,493
Speaker 3: piers of All Birds for work as they're super comfy

1131
00:52:53,493 --> 00:52:56,773
Speaker 3: and washable. A been a fan since they started, but

1132
00:52:56,813 --> 00:53:01,533
Speaker 3: when they branched out to clothing, it wasn't affordable. I'm

1133
00:53:01,573 --> 00:53:03,893
Speaker 3: off to my shift and I trust you all words

1134
00:53:03,973 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 3: right now.

1135
00:53:04,613 --> 00:53:06,693
Speaker 2: Good on your helen, Yeah, goot on your creat text,

1136
00:53:06,813 --> 00:53:09,813
Speaker 2: but come practical.

1137
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:14,253
Speaker 3: All those kind of things maybe don't hold up a

1138
00:53:14,573 --> 00:53:19,253
Speaker 3: seven billion dollar brand. There's there has to be another

1139
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:21,613
Speaker 3: element to it. There has to be a lot of innovation.

1140
00:53:21,733 --> 00:53:23,613
Speaker 3: If you look at all birds, you know there are

1141
00:53:23,653 --> 00:53:26,692
Speaker 3: different ones. They brought out the varsity line, the men's

1142
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:30,893
Speaker 3: varsity line and women's varsity line and such. But yeah,

1143
00:53:31,053 --> 00:53:34,133
Speaker 3: just that comfortable, comfortable, good to where to work. You

1144
00:53:35,093 --> 00:53:37,413
Speaker 3: just doesn't scream seven billion dollars, doesn't it.

1145
00:53:37,493 --> 00:53:40,133
Speaker 2: No, Although, look at Crocs. Yeah, exactly so, I how

1146
00:53:40,173 --> 00:53:40,853
Speaker 2: to Crocs do it?

1147
00:53:40,893 --> 00:53:46,213
Speaker 3: But Crocs used to be the definition of horrific. And

1148
00:53:46,253 --> 00:53:49,093
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden every kid wanted them. And

1149
00:53:49,133 --> 00:53:51,413
Speaker 3: then you'd go to something and the kids and the

1150
00:53:51,453 --> 00:53:54,253
Speaker 3: grandparents were where, you know, the teenagers and the grandparents

1151
00:53:54,293 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 3: were all wearing Crocs. Crocs just blew up. We're a

1152
00:53:56,173 --> 00:53:57,133
Speaker 3: Crocs sitting at the moment.

1153
00:53:57,373 --> 00:53:59,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you still a Croc fan? The Crocs still

1154
00:53:59,253 --> 00:54:01,533
Speaker 2: going hard because I think they are comfortab a comfy

1155
00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:04,213
Speaker 2: nurses love a good Croc. But yeah, that seemed to

1156
00:54:04,213 --> 00:54:06,413
Speaker 2: work out for them. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1157
00:54:06,453 --> 00:54:08,613
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call.

1158
00:54:09,133 --> 00:54:12,373
Speaker 3: I agree with this. Sketches have never been associated with skateboarding,

1159
00:54:12,413 --> 00:54:13,493
Speaker 3: and they've never been cooled.

1160
00:54:14,213 --> 00:54:18,413
Speaker 2: When I was skateboarding about myself. Sketches were really well, no,

1161
00:54:18,533 --> 00:54:20,652
Speaker 2: like I was wearing shoes. I was wearing sketches when

1162
00:54:20,653 --> 00:54:22,253
Speaker 2: I was skateboarding. I was just talking about me as

1163
00:54:22,253 --> 00:54:25,333
Speaker 2: a yeah yeah, not the wider z guys, wow, just me,

1164
00:54:25,693 --> 00:54:25,893
Speaker 2: just me.

1165
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:28,053
Speaker 3: I was leading the charts, right, all right, very good?

1166
00:54:28,053 --> 00:54:30,253
Speaker 3: But hi there, all birds are expensive, too soft, and

1167
00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 3: my toes went through them. See my one pair of

1168
00:54:34,093 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 3: sketches I had, My toe went through the front of them.

1169
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:37,573
Speaker 2: I'd never buy another pair of for that happened.

1170
00:54:37,613 --> 00:54:40,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, never had money. You know, we've grown to accept

1171
00:54:40,773 --> 00:54:42,613
Speaker 3: that our tone might go through a sock, but we

1172
00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:44,493
Speaker 3: don't expect that toe to go through this. We're a

1173
00:54:44,493 --> 00:54:46,333
Speaker 3: fast bowler in the eighties, so hell of a tona.

1174
00:54:46,493 --> 00:54:48,093
Speaker 3: We don't expect that big toad to be coming through

1175
00:54:48,093 --> 00:54:51,013
Speaker 3: the shoe. Never had my size as the colors available

1176
00:54:51,013 --> 00:54:52,813
Speaker 3: were not colors I liked or so they get dirty

1177
00:54:52,893 --> 00:54:55,212
Speaker 3: very quickly. Can throw them through the washing machine though.

1178
00:54:55,493 --> 00:54:59,253
Speaker 3: Alan lots of good local Casul shoes to purchase. Enjoying

1179
00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:00,893
Speaker 3: your show, Thanks Leanne, thanks for listening.

1180
00:55:01,013 --> 00:55:03,813
Speaker 2: Great text. Keep those coming through. Nine two nine two

1181
00:55:03,973 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 2: is that number? But taking your calls eight hundred and

1182
00:55:06,093 --> 00:55:08,013
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. What do you think went wrong with

1183
00:55:08,053 --> 00:55:10,893
Speaker 2: all or if you're still a massive fan, keen to

1184
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:12,613
Speaker 2: hear your story. It is twenty five past two.

1185
00:55:12,653 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 3: They're going to come back like the Birkenstock. Maybe the

1186
00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:16,573
Speaker 3: Birkenstock was also just considered.

1187
00:55:17,253 --> 00:55:18,493
Speaker 2: You got your books on at the moment.

1188
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 3: Birkenstock's used to be the terrain only of German six

1189
00:55:23,893 --> 00:55:27,013
Speaker 3: tourists and now still are. Now they're very popular.

1190
00:55:32,333 --> 00:55:35,693
Speaker 1: Matd Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1191
00:55:35,773 --> 00:55:37,773
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on news talk, sa'd.

1192
00:55:37,613 --> 00:55:39,853
Speaker 2: Be twenty seven past two. How you doing, Marie?

1193
00:55:40,773 --> 00:55:40,933
Speaker 11: Hi?

1194
00:55:41,013 --> 00:55:41,252
Speaker 1: Good?

1195
00:55:41,293 --> 00:55:41,732
Speaker 21: Thank you?

1196
00:55:42,053 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 2: Got your all birds on?

1197
00:55:44,693 --> 00:55:49,413
Speaker 21: Not today? I haven't to know, but yeah, best best

1198
00:55:49,453 --> 00:55:50,693
Speaker 21: investment I ever made.

1199
00:55:50,973 --> 00:55:52,293
Speaker 2: Really, that is high praise.

1200
00:55:52,373 --> 00:55:53,653
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.

1201
00:55:53,773 --> 00:55:55,533
Speaker 2: So what did you love about them or what do

1202
00:55:55,573 --> 00:55:56,333
Speaker 2: you love about them?

1203
00:55:57,133 --> 00:56:04,213
Speaker 21: I the comfort and I never experienced any blisters at all.

1204
00:56:05,453 --> 00:56:10,133
Speaker 21: I spent four months traveling around Europe. I came home

1205
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:14,813
Speaker 21: in January and I wore them day and night literally.

1206
00:56:15,853 --> 00:56:18,093
Speaker 3: And with that is this the classical bird, you know,

1207
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:21,013
Speaker 3: the one that everyone immediately thinks of, the the the

1208
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:23,292
Speaker 3: woolen ones that like slippers, was the soul.

1209
00:56:24,453 --> 00:56:29,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and did you initially by and because it

1210
00:56:29,453 --> 00:56:31,692
Speaker 2: was key we made it had a nice story behind it.

1211
00:56:31,693 --> 00:56:34,133
Speaker 2: It was made of will. Sustainability was that part of

1212
00:56:34,173 --> 00:56:35,732
Speaker 2: why you you got in in the first place.

1213
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:41,493
Speaker 21: Definitely, the will factor and the comfort factor that I

1214
00:56:41,493 --> 00:56:46,413
Speaker 21: had heard of from friends to be to be honest

1215
00:56:46,453 --> 00:56:49,693
Speaker 21: with you, sustainability was not necessarily the thing. It was

1216
00:56:49,733 --> 00:56:51,173
Speaker 21: more about the comfort.

1217
00:56:51,453 --> 00:56:54,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think there would be the case for

1218
00:56:54,133 --> 00:56:55,893
Speaker 2: a lot of people if they're being honest, you know,

1219
00:56:55,973 --> 00:56:59,253
Speaker 2: sustainability might be a little bit of a factor there,

1220
00:56:59,293 --> 00:57:01,812
Speaker 2: but most people are looking for comfort and in cost

1221
00:57:01,813 --> 00:57:03,693
Speaker 2: effective effectiveness.

1222
00:57:03,053 --> 00:57:08,133
Speaker 21: Right yeah, absolutely, yeah, And we wore them every day.

1223
00:57:08,373 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 3: What state were they and when you got back from

1224
00:57:10,533 --> 00:57:12,333
Speaker 3: using it, we're in the mirry doown Europe? Really good?

1225
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:13,172
Speaker 22: Really good?

1226
00:57:13,253 --> 00:57:15,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you don't put your toe through the front

1227
00:57:15,413 --> 00:57:18,093
Speaker 2: of it. So yet you didn't put your toe through

1228
00:57:18,093 --> 00:57:18,613
Speaker 2: the front of it.

1229
00:57:19,413 --> 00:57:24,133
Speaker 3: No, not stinky, No, not at all. The wash you

1230
00:57:24,133 --> 00:57:25,573
Speaker 3: don't sound like something like the cot of person that

1231
00:57:25,613 --> 00:57:27,493
Speaker 3: would have to worry about foot oder. You just don't

1232
00:57:27,493 --> 00:57:28,493
Speaker 3: give me that kind of vibe.

1233
00:57:30,653 --> 00:57:34,373
Speaker 21: No, But truly they were amazing and I would if

1234
00:57:34,413 --> 00:57:36,613
Speaker 21: I could, I'd buy another pair brilliant?

1235
00:57:38,013 --> 00:57:40,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you so these these these people that have

1236
00:57:40,613 --> 00:57:44,133
Speaker 3: bought it there is I'm at all Birds, Dot, Coat,

1237
00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:45,453
Speaker 3: ot and ZID right now, and it looks like I

1238
00:57:45,493 --> 00:57:47,093
Speaker 3: can still buy by a peer.

1239
00:57:47,413 --> 00:57:48,733
Speaker 2: Yeah there was speculators.

1240
00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:50,933
Speaker 3: You said Men's Wall cruises are sold out.

1241
00:57:51,053 --> 00:57:53,933
Speaker 2: Okay, so right, that's for your.

1242
00:57:53,813 --> 00:57:57,653
Speaker 3: Classic looking all birds that we all imagine. Yeah, see you,

1243
00:57:57,973 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 3: but look like a buy a men's runner. Yep, that's

1244
00:58:02,373 --> 00:58:03,293
Speaker 3: got all the sizes there.

1245
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:04,853
Speaker 2: How much do they want to sixty?

1246
00:58:04,853 --> 00:58:05,213
Speaker 3: For those?

1247
00:58:05,293 --> 00:58:08,653
Speaker 2: It's not too bad? So right to sixty or not?

1248
00:58:08,693 --> 00:58:10,053
Speaker 3: If you toe through, come through the front.

1249
00:58:11,133 --> 00:58:12,613
Speaker 2: You better get in quick if you want to though,

1250
00:58:12,613 --> 00:58:14,453
Speaker 2: because I don't think they're going to last one Zeland.

1251
00:58:14,493 --> 00:58:16,653
Speaker 3: We love the story. We want will to do well? Yeah,

1252
00:58:16,733 --> 00:58:19,253
Speaker 3: love will we do? We want Will do well? Yeah,

1253
00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:21,533
Speaker 3: and so it was very close to our heart that

1254
00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:23,573
Speaker 3: Wall was doing well. We want a lot of winners

1255
00:58:23,613 --> 00:58:24,053
Speaker 3: out of Wall.

1256
00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:24,293
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1257
00:58:24,493 --> 00:58:26,093
Speaker 2: What do you say though? One hundred and eighty ten

1258
00:58:26,133 --> 00:58:27,813
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? Nine two nine two

1259
00:58:27,853 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 2: is the text? And coming up after the headlines, we're

1260
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:33,653
Speaker 2: going to speak to marketing expert doctor Bodo Lang and

1261
00:58:33,733 --> 00:58:36,053
Speaker 2: ask him what his thoughts are about the downfall of

1262
00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:38,653
Speaker 2: all birds headlines with Windy coming up.

1263
00:58:38,813 --> 00:58:41,253
Speaker 3: The sixer says of the cheddar rings of Jews.

1264
00:58:41,773 --> 00:58:42,413
Speaker 17: Not bad.

1265
00:58:43,853 --> 00:58:47,493
Speaker 15: U's talk said be headlines with your Ride, New Zealand's

1266
00:58:47,533 --> 00:58:51,653
Speaker 15: number one taxi app Download your Ride today. The country

1267
00:58:51,733 --> 00:58:54,373
Speaker 15: stocks of jet fuel have fallen and the latest fuel

1268
00:58:54,413 --> 00:58:58,373
Speaker 15: supply update, but offici'll say fluctuations are within normal levels.

1269
00:58:58,573 --> 00:59:00,933
Speaker 15: There was twenty two point one days of supply and

1270
00:59:00,973 --> 00:59:03,893
Speaker 15: the country as of Sunday, down from twenty five point

1271
00:59:03,933 --> 00:59:07,053
Speaker 15: three days a week ago. Key Wes are being urged

1272
00:59:07,053 --> 00:59:10,293
Speaker 15: to stay hopeful despite us sharp drop in business confidence.

1273
00:59:10,573 --> 00:59:14,813
Speaker 15: Anz's latest business outlook show sentiment has fallen across most sectors,

1274
00:59:15,053 --> 00:59:19,093
Speaker 15: pushed by fallout from the Iran war. Fonterra has admitted

1275
00:59:19,093 --> 00:59:23,213
Speaker 15: to using misleading statements about anchor butter sold between December

1276
00:59:23,213 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 15: twenty twenty three and April last year, and settled acclaim

1277
00:59:26,453 --> 00:59:30,013
Speaker 15: with Greenpeace outside of court. A bill to give bars

1278
00:59:30,013 --> 00:59:33,013
Speaker 15: and pubs more wiggle room on public holidays is up

1279
00:59:33,013 --> 00:59:35,933
Speaker 15: for its third reading in Parliament today, with a chance

1280
00:59:35,933 --> 00:59:39,613
Speaker 15: it could become law before Easter. The police at National

1281
00:59:39,613 --> 00:59:42,173
Speaker 15: Dive Squad has joined the search for a missing French

1282
00:59:42,213 --> 00:59:45,053
Speaker 15: twenty one year old in Cromwell after a Crocs shoe

1283
00:59:45,093 --> 00:59:48,573
Speaker 15: was found on the shore of Lake Dunstan. Plus startup

1284
00:59:48,653 --> 00:59:52,733
Speaker 15: founder raises questions after R and D grant application rebuffed.

1285
00:59:53,013 --> 00:59:55,613
Speaker 15: Read more at enz at Herald Premium. Now back to

1286
00:59:55,693 --> 00:59:56,333
Speaker 15: Mattin Tyler.

1287
00:59:56,413 --> 00:59:58,733
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wendy. So, as we've been discussing

1288
00:59:58,773 --> 01:00:01,333
Speaker 2: All Birds, the once high flying eco friendly shoe brand

1289
01:00:01,333 --> 01:00:04,733
Speaker 2: that reached evaluation of around seven billion dollars, has agreed

1290
01:00:04,773 --> 01:00:07,333
Speaker 2: to sell its assets for a fraction of that value,

1291
01:00:07,453 --> 01:00:10,533
Speaker 2: around sixty eight million dollars, in plans to wind down

1292
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:13,613
Speaker 2: the company. So to analyze what happened, we are joined

1293
01:00:13,613 --> 01:00:16,893
Speaker 2: by marketing expert doctor Bodo Laying. Bodo, very good afternoon

1294
01:00:16,933 --> 01:00:17,093
Speaker 2: to you.

1295
01:00:18,133 --> 01:00:19,413
Speaker 11: Good afternoon, Hey.

1296
01:00:19,413 --> 01:00:23,613
Speaker 3: From your perspective, what did All Birds get right early

1297
01:00:24,213 --> 01:00:26,733
Speaker 3: marketing wise and when did it start going wrong?

1298
01:00:28,253 --> 01:00:31,573
Speaker 22: Look, I think the initial value proposition was excellent and

1299
01:00:31,653 --> 01:00:36,773
Speaker 22: developer position was that they're differentiating their shoes based on sustainability,

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01:00:36,973 --> 01:00:40,573
Speaker 22: so shoes that are made out of wool or FTC

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01:00:40,773 --> 01:00:45,253
Speaker 22: certified fabrics that are not harmful. So that I think

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01:00:45,333 --> 01:00:47,853
Speaker 22: was an excellent initial position because it was really a

1303
01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:52,293
Speaker 22: wide space in the shoe market. But after that. What

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01:00:52,373 --> 01:00:55,413
Speaker 22: happened is, of course competitors copied pretty quickly what they

1305
01:00:55,413 --> 01:00:59,213
Speaker 22: were doing, and they really just failed to differentiate themselves,

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01:00:59,253 --> 01:01:01,013
Speaker 22: meaning for you, and so I think as a result,

1307
01:01:01,093 --> 01:01:04,253
Speaker 22: consumers just failed to see value in buying the brand.

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01:01:04,973 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 3: So was it great looking, great shoes they were selling

1309
01:01:08,853 --> 01:01:12,853
Speaker 3: or was it just the sustainability story? Did people not

1310
01:01:13,093 --> 01:01:16,533
Speaker 3: really fall in love with the design and the brand

1311
01:01:17,013 --> 01:01:18,813
Speaker 3: just the sustainability that is that for you?

1312
01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:22,573
Speaker 22: I think that's fair to say. I think that always

1313
01:01:22,613 --> 01:01:25,653
Speaker 22: give people a compelling reason to believe, but just not

1314
01:01:25,693 --> 01:01:28,933
Speaker 22: a sufficiently strong reason to buy repeatedly at scale. It

1315
01:01:29,213 --> 01:01:32,893
Speaker 22: just didn't appeal to enough consumers. There will be a

1316
01:01:32,933 --> 01:01:38,493
Speaker 22: segment of die hard sustainability, you know, heroes. They will

1317
01:01:38,533 --> 01:01:42,693
Speaker 22: buy product that markets the markets itself that way, But

1318
01:01:42,853 --> 01:01:48,413
Speaker 22: for most consumers, sustainability is really a secondary kind of

1319
01:01:48,453 --> 01:01:52,093
Speaker 22: product attribute. We all like to buy sustainable products, but

1320
01:01:52,373 --> 01:01:55,453
Speaker 22: there are other product attributes that are more important to us.

1321
01:01:55,453 --> 01:01:58,613
Speaker 22: So performance, aesthetics, or identity when you think of Sneakers

1322
01:01:59,373 --> 01:02:03,293
Speaker 22: and Alberts just didn't perform well on those more important

1323
01:02:03,293 --> 01:02:04,173
Speaker 22: product attributes.

1324
01:02:04,893 --> 01:02:07,173
Speaker 3: Was the seven billion dollar well that's seven billion dollar

1325
01:02:07,173 --> 01:02:10,893
Speaker 3: New Zealand four point one build us valuation part of

1326
01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:13,493
Speaker 3: the problem. You're suddenly having to make a lot of

1327
01:02:13,493 --> 01:02:16,613
Speaker 3: compromises to be a company that's that's a huge company.

1328
01:02:16,653 --> 01:02:19,533
Speaker 3: So essentially, did they expand too fast before the brand

1329
01:02:19,613 --> 01:02:23,693
Speaker 3: was strong enough globally to justify being that big a business.

1330
01:02:24,733 --> 01:02:26,573
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. I think

1331
01:02:26,733 --> 01:02:32,173
Speaker 22: it's a typical, you know, sort of b area hype brand,

1332
01:02:32,293 --> 01:02:35,013
Speaker 22: you know, a great valued proposition at the start, but

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01:02:35,053 --> 01:02:37,333
Speaker 22: I think it was completely overvalued when you look at

1334
01:02:37,333 --> 01:02:39,973
Speaker 22: earnings and you know what the market valuation was, so

1335
01:02:40,093 --> 01:02:44,453
Speaker 22: share price times the number of shares. It was really overvalued.

1336
01:02:44,613 --> 01:02:47,013
Speaker 22: And you can get away with it if you can

1337
01:02:47,173 --> 01:02:50,213
Speaker 22: really high growth and strong margins. But they just didn't

1338
01:02:50,253 --> 01:02:52,773
Speaker 22: have that strong growth. There was a really you know,

1339
01:02:52,813 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 22: there was excitement about the brand early on, but it

1340
01:02:55,213 --> 01:02:57,853
Speaker 22: just didn't carry on. And that was linked to you know,

1341
01:02:58,053 --> 01:03:00,333
Speaker 22: some people felt that this Nickers even looked ugly. They

1342
01:03:00,333 --> 01:03:04,253
Speaker 22: were two plain and that's a really important, basic sounding,

1343
01:03:04,293 --> 01:03:06,933
Speaker 22: but really important attribute for people when they buy shoes,

1344
01:03:06,973 --> 01:03:09,733
Speaker 22: they have to look smart because they're part of what

1345
01:03:09,773 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 22: we call you extend itself, and so you don't want

1346
01:03:12,173 --> 01:03:14,573
Speaker 22: to have sustainable but ugly looking snakets.

1347
01:03:14,733 --> 01:03:17,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the New Zealand story part of it?

1348
01:03:17,973 --> 01:03:20,013
Speaker 2: We you know, in New Zealand we hear that there's

1349
01:03:20,013 --> 01:03:22,493
Speaker 2: a lot of value attached that internationally. Is that true

1350
01:03:22,533 --> 01:03:24,133
Speaker 2: when you look at the likes of All Birds. Was

1351
01:03:24,173 --> 01:03:27,253
Speaker 2: that part of their initial success that internationally it's a

1352
01:03:27,253 --> 01:03:28,933
Speaker 2: brand that comes from New Zealand and we've got a

1353
01:03:28,973 --> 01:03:31,973
Speaker 2: good name. Or do we read too much into that value?

1354
01:03:33,373 --> 01:03:36,213
Speaker 22: I think that's part of a really nice brand narrative

1355
01:03:36,253 --> 01:03:39,133
Speaker 22: to have that you know, this brand comes from a

1356
01:03:39,133 --> 01:03:42,053
Speaker 22: different place, and you know that place is renowned for something.

1357
01:03:42,693 --> 01:03:45,253
Speaker 22: But I don't think that is enough by itself to

1358
01:03:45,293 --> 01:03:49,533
Speaker 22: sustain you know, sales at scale to a mass market,

1359
01:03:49,573 --> 01:03:52,493
Speaker 22: and let's not forget you know, shoes and fashion, which

1360
01:03:52,493 --> 01:03:56,093
Speaker 22: shoes are part of, is a super competitive market. There

1361
01:03:56,093 --> 01:04:00,333
Speaker 22: are global competitors that you're taking head on, and initially

1362
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:03,413
Speaker 22: there were in a protected white space, but that sort

1363
01:04:03,413 --> 01:04:05,693
Speaker 22: of molt didn't last very long because it could be

1364
01:04:05,733 --> 01:04:07,413
Speaker 22: copied by other competitives.

1365
01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:11,053
Speaker 3: Cultural relevance is a really hard thing to keep going.

1366
01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:14,053
Speaker 3: I was just telling before a story about one of

1367
01:04:14,093 --> 01:04:16,573
Speaker 3: my younger sons put on my All Birds and wore

1368
01:04:16,613 --> 01:04:18,293
Speaker 3: them out, and my elder son seat. You can't be

1369
01:04:18,333 --> 01:04:20,573
Speaker 3: going out in those, you cannot be seen in them.

1370
01:04:20,613 --> 01:04:23,733
Speaker 3: That was actually a sort of discussed at all Birds,

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01:04:23,773 --> 01:04:26,933
Speaker 3: so which blew my mind. Why do they care so much?

1372
01:04:26,973 --> 01:04:31,653
Speaker 3: But how do you keep cultural relevance going for a brand,

1373
01:04:32,093 --> 01:04:35,013
Speaker 3: especially with younger, younger buyers. I guess that's the big

1374
01:04:35,253 --> 01:04:36,813
Speaker 3: seven billion dollar question, isn't it.

1375
01:04:38,053 --> 01:04:38,293
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1376
01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:41,413
Speaker 22: Absolutely, I think cultural relevance is really important. You need

1377
01:04:41,413 --> 01:04:43,733
Speaker 22: to have cultural license to operate in the first place,

1378
01:04:43,773 --> 01:04:46,573
Speaker 22: and then ideally you're seen as a brand to be desirable,

1379
01:04:46,653 --> 01:04:48,653
Speaker 22: and so how do you do that? I mean the

1380
01:04:49,013 --> 01:04:52,893
Speaker 22: traditional answer to that is sharp product design and really

1381
01:04:52,933 --> 01:04:57,413
Speaker 22: good marketing communication, particularly advertising online and offline. You want

1382
01:04:57,453 --> 01:05:02,413
Speaker 22: to associate yourself with essentially good looking models, you know,

1383
01:05:02,973 --> 01:05:05,853
Speaker 22: being seen to do fun things that are worthwhile. And

1384
01:05:05,893 --> 01:05:08,053
Speaker 22: so when you think of you know, really big brands

1385
01:05:08,053 --> 01:05:10,253
Speaker 22: in the can you think of Coca Cola or Nike.

1386
01:05:10,893 --> 01:05:15,133
Speaker 22: You know, a shoe and a soft drink, relatively interchangeable, really,

1387
01:05:15,173 --> 01:05:17,533
Speaker 22: you know, but where the value is is the brand.

1388
01:05:17,693 --> 01:05:21,253
Speaker 22: And so those brands have been created over decades and

1389
01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:24,813
Speaker 22: with really deep pockets, and so that's just always just

1390
01:05:24,813 --> 01:05:27,533
Speaker 22: didn't have that ability to create that sort of following

1391
01:05:27,533 --> 01:05:28,973
Speaker 22: and that sort of brand identity.

1392
01:05:29,173 --> 01:05:32,573
Speaker 3: How's Crocs done it? That's that's something that really confuses

1393
01:05:32,653 --> 01:05:37,013
Speaker 3: may Crocs at one point we're a joke, but now

1394
01:05:37,093 --> 01:05:41,253
Speaker 3: they are you know, four quadrants too, They're everywhere.

1395
01:05:42,213 --> 01:05:45,853
Speaker 22: Yes, they are. They It's a good example. I think

1396
01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 22: it's a really that to me is a product that

1397
01:05:48,813 --> 01:05:52,173
Speaker 22: is uniquely different. And so when you look at Crocs,

1398
01:05:52,173 --> 01:05:55,373
Speaker 22: particularly the base model, it is uniquely different from anything

1399
01:05:55,373 --> 01:05:58,293
Speaker 22: else you can buy. Sure there are cheap knockoffs from

1400
01:05:58,293 --> 01:06:02,093
Speaker 22: other places, but it's not a sneaker or a shoe

1401
01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:03,933
Speaker 22: that you would look at and go, oh, I wonder

1402
01:06:04,013 --> 01:06:07,453
Speaker 22: who that is, you know, made by And so when

1403
01:06:07,493 --> 01:06:09,453
Speaker 22: you look at an all but and you take the

1404
01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,893
Speaker 22: label away and you show it to people, they can't

1405
01:06:11,933 --> 01:06:14,853
Speaker 22: tell you what that is. A CROs has a really

1406
01:06:14,933 --> 01:06:16,293
Speaker 22: strong identity.

1407
01:06:16,733 --> 01:06:21,093
Speaker 3: So as all birds. A great idea that got badly

1408
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:23,253
Speaker 3: executed and hit a bit of bad luck, you know,

1409
01:06:23,453 --> 01:06:27,253
Speaker 3: COVID and various other things, the tariffs out of Vietnam

1410
01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:30,053
Speaker 3: and stuff, or proof that the idea was just never

1411
01:06:30,093 --> 01:06:32,373
Speaker 3: that strong to begin with. This failure.

1412
01:06:33,733 --> 01:06:36,333
Speaker 22: Look, I think the base idea is excellent. I think

1413
01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:38,733
Speaker 22: positioning yourself on sustainability is really good, But I think

1414
01:06:38,813 --> 01:06:45,053
Speaker 22: sustainability is always a multiplier. It's not your core reason

1415
01:06:45,093 --> 01:06:47,653
Speaker 22: for buying a product, particularly schools. You know, if you

1416
01:06:48,093 --> 01:06:50,933
Speaker 22: lined up one hundred New Zealanders or US customers right

1417
01:06:50,973 --> 01:06:53,613
Speaker 22: now and said tell me, what are the main reasons

1418
01:06:53,653 --> 01:06:56,893
Speaker 22: why you'd buy a shoe, virtually nobody would say sustainability.

1419
01:06:56,933 --> 01:06:59,893
Speaker 22: They would say comfort, performance, identity, all these sorts of

1420
01:06:59,973 --> 01:07:04,893
Speaker 22: other things. And so you can have sustainability as a multiplier,

1421
01:07:05,013 --> 01:07:07,653
Speaker 22: but you've got to perform really really well on other

1422
01:07:07,733 --> 01:07:10,733
Speaker 22: important produt attributes. And I think that's just, you know,

1423
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:13,053
Speaker 22: a really hard thing to do in the shoewear market.

1424
01:07:13,173 --> 01:07:16,413
Speaker 22: So I think the bas Idya was excellent, but I

1425
01:07:16,413 --> 01:07:18,693
Speaker 22: think they just failed to evolve and didn't have deep

1426
01:07:18,773 --> 01:07:22,253
Speaker 22: enough pockets to write a compelling brand narrative around the brand.

1427
01:07:23,053 --> 01:07:25,773
Speaker 2: It's an interesting and fascinating story and a sad end

1428
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:28,253
Speaker 2: to what was a very hyped company. But really appreciate

1429
01:07:28,293 --> 01:07:32,493
Speaker 2: your time this afternoon, doctor Bodo Lang, and hopefully we'll

1430
01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:33,253
Speaker 2: catch up again soon.

1431
01:07:34,493 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 22: No pleasure.

1432
01:07:35,613 --> 01:07:39,333
Speaker 2: That is marketing expert from Massy University, doctor Bodo Lang,

1433
01:07:39,373 --> 01:07:42,093
Speaker 2: and we're taking your calls. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1434
01:07:42,613 --> 01:07:45,053
Speaker 2: Why if you did fall out of love with All Birds?

1435
01:07:45,093 --> 01:07:47,853
Speaker 2: What happened? And if you're still in love with them?

1436
01:07:48,093 --> 01:07:49,973
Speaker 2: How hurt are you that it's going to be no more?

1437
01:07:50,053 --> 01:07:52,133
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninet two se that text number is eighteen to

1438
01:07:52,173 --> 01:07:53,053
Speaker 2: three to.

1439
01:07:53,173 --> 01:07:55,573
Speaker 1: Have a chat with Matt and Tyler on Oh eight

1440
01:07:55,653 --> 01:07:59,653
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda.

1441
01:07:59,813 --> 01:08:02,173
Speaker 1: Can you crack the scoder code us dog Z'd be

1442
01:08:02,413 --> 01:08:02,973
Speaker 1: quarter to two.

1443
01:08:03,013 --> 01:08:05,853
Speaker 2: We're talking about the end of All Birds as a brand.

1444
01:08:05,973 --> 01:08:07,693
Speaker 2: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty as a number.

1445
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:09,973
Speaker 3: To call on person not interested in sustainability at all.

1446
01:08:09,973 --> 01:08:11,453
Speaker 3: I'm all about quality.

1447
01:08:11,373 --> 01:08:13,253
Speaker 2: And costs and.

1448
01:08:13,173 --> 01:08:14,773
Speaker 3: Shrugging emoji from this texture.

1449
01:08:15,213 --> 01:08:17,693
Speaker 2: It's weird how that's it's controversial for some people to

1450
01:08:17,693 --> 01:08:20,013
Speaker 2: say they're not into sustainability. I think most of us

1451
01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:22,772
Speaker 2: think that it's okay to say you don't really care

1452
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:23,532
Speaker 2: that much about it.

1453
01:08:23,613 --> 01:08:27,132
Speaker 3: We've been greenwash so hard that we don't trust anything.

1454
01:08:27,452 --> 01:08:29,892
Speaker 3: I mean, anyone that's been on in New Zealand flight

1455
01:08:29,933 --> 01:08:32,013
Speaker 3: and being handed a wooden knife.

1456
01:08:31,772 --> 01:08:34,972
Speaker 2: And fork, you just plasting at jet fuel.

1457
01:08:35,053 --> 01:08:37,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, after that, you just start to question anyone that's

1458
01:08:37,652 --> 01:08:39,772
Speaker 3: claiming any kind of sustainability.

1459
01:08:39,133 --> 01:08:41,732
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, fear points are Craig, how are you

1460
01:08:41,732 --> 01:08:42,372
Speaker 2: this afternoon?

1461
01:08:43,652 --> 01:08:44,572
Speaker 10: Good bud to yourself.

1462
01:08:44,853 --> 01:08:45,333
Speaker 3: Yeah. Good.

1463
01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:47,372
Speaker 2: So you're in the wall industry, is that right?

1464
01:08:48,692 --> 01:08:48,892
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1465
01:08:48,893 --> 01:08:52,173
Speaker 10: I've been in over thirty odd years and been sat

1466
01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:55,093
Speaker 10: in most parts of the supply chain. So I mean

1467
01:08:55,253 --> 01:08:57,972
Speaker 10: it's sad to see that, you know that where All

1468
01:08:58,013 --> 01:09:00,812
Speaker 10: Birds end up. But you know, like always the world's

1469
01:09:01,053 --> 01:09:04,572
Speaker 10: miracle fiber and when it comes to sustainability and that

1470
01:09:04,652 --> 01:09:07,452
Speaker 10: I work for a Norwegian clothing coming that's been in

1471
01:09:07,452 --> 01:09:10,732
Speaker 10: the business since AD fifty three. So sometimes I wonder

1472
01:09:10,772 --> 01:09:13,173
Speaker 10: whether you know, as using the right wall and the

1473
01:09:13,253 --> 01:09:16,093
Speaker 10: right product and whether that was you know, some of

1474
01:09:16,093 --> 01:09:18,652
Speaker 10: your callers are saying that the shoes haven't last. And

1475
01:09:19,173 --> 01:09:21,492
Speaker 10: I remember when I All Birds first came out and

1476
01:09:21,612 --> 01:09:24,173
Speaker 10: was crowdfunding and I pull the money and way to

1477
01:09:24,173 --> 01:09:26,452
Speaker 10: get my first set of shoes and they arrived was

1478
01:09:26,532 --> 01:09:28,452
Speaker 10: six months later or something, and then wore them and

1479
01:09:28,492 --> 01:09:30,652
Speaker 10: couldn't get them off from my feet. But then they

1480
01:09:31,492 --> 01:09:34,932
Speaker 10: started to fall apart, you know, like so wool was great,

1481
01:09:34,973 --> 01:09:36,772
Speaker 10: but let's use wall in the right products, you know,

1482
01:09:36,973 --> 01:09:39,572
Speaker 10: And I don't know whether that was some of the issues.

1483
01:09:39,772 --> 01:09:42,452
Speaker 10: But when it comes to sustainability, you don't get a

1484
01:09:42,492 --> 01:09:44,412
Speaker 10: better product than woolf I mean.

1485
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:47,372
Speaker 3: A Marino jumper like I'm wearing right now. You don't

1486
01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:50,452
Speaker 3: get much better than that. There's no way that you

1487
01:09:50,492 --> 01:09:54,253
Speaker 3: can question a Marino jumper top quality. And there's another

1488
01:09:54,253 --> 01:09:56,333
Speaker 3: company that I'm a big fan of that do not

1489
01:09:56,532 --> 01:10:00,212
Speaker 3: Disturb Sleep company that sells you know, will eye masks

1490
01:10:00,293 --> 01:10:04,213
Speaker 3: for sleeping, you know, and those are areas where you

1491
01:10:04,293 --> 01:10:08,893
Speaker 3: just cannot deny that that's that's fantastic. Carpet is a

1492
01:10:08,612 --> 01:10:12,092
Speaker 3: what are other absolute sure thing wool products?

1493
01:10:12,893 --> 01:10:16,572
Speaker 10: Great, well, there's just so many of them. Like it's

1494
01:10:16,612 --> 01:10:19,532
Speaker 10: as you said, like Marino going into next to skin products,

1495
01:10:19,572 --> 01:10:22,213
Speaker 10: you know, the different microns of wall, you know, micron

1496
01:10:22,293 --> 01:10:24,372
Speaker 10: been and millions of a meter. Our hair is roughly

1497
01:10:24,452 --> 01:10:27,213
Speaker 10: sixty micron, you know, so you look at it and

1498
01:10:27,333 --> 01:10:29,732
Speaker 10: go right, So let's use wool in the right place.

1499
01:10:29,812 --> 01:10:33,372
Speaker 10: And you know, for for clothing, we want to get

1500
01:10:33,412 --> 01:10:36,932
Speaker 10: to the softer microns so it doesn't atch against your skin.

1501
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:40,133
Speaker 10: But then you know your carpets, the strong woo sheep,

1502
01:10:41,173 --> 01:10:45,532
Speaker 10: the idea wall insulation, wall match, there's just so many products,

1503
01:10:45,933 --> 01:10:48,492
Speaker 10: you know, but like working for this Norwegian clothing company

1504
01:10:48,532 --> 01:10:51,372
Speaker 10: that's been around for a long time, They've used the

1505
01:10:51,452 --> 01:10:54,213
Speaker 10: right product for the right garments. They started with the

1506
01:10:54,213 --> 01:10:57,973
Speaker 10: traditional big fisherman's jersey sweaters and guy went around the

1507
01:10:57,973 --> 01:11:00,973
Speaker 10: fiord selling his jumpers and and then went to the

1508
01:11:01,213 --> 01:11:03,412
Speaker 10: to the underwear. And the Norwegians are very good at wall.

1509
01:11:03,452 --> 01:11:07,213
Speaker 10: You're born into wall and you dyeing wall type of things.

1510
01:11:07,253 --> 01:11:09,772
Speaker 10: So and I think there's where a lot of you know,

1511
01:11:10,213 --> 01:11:15,412
Speaker 10: brand sometimes just try and jump in on the wall, sustainable,

1512
01:11:15,532 --> 01:11:18,973
Speaker 10: natural and just hoping that all consumers just you know,

1513
01:11:19,173 --> 01:11:21,772
Speaker 10: buy into it. And I want lots of mates to

1514
01:11:21,812 --> 01:11:24,133
Speaker 10: go lock. I'd love to buy your garments, but you know,

1515
01:11:24,253 --> 01:11:26,412
Speaker 10: I want to get into a wall, but no price.

1516
01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:29,013
Speaker 10: But if you buy it once, you've got it for

1517
01:11:29,053 --> 01:11:31,732
Speaker 10: a lifetime, and if you use in the right product,

1518
01:11:31,772 --> 01:11:33,732
Speaker 10: you know. So I think it comes down a lot

1519
01:11:33,812 --> 01:11:36,532
Speaker 10: around the education around the wall and as a wollaans,

1520
01:11:36,572 --> 01:11:39,173
Speaker 10: we probably haven't got it right for a long time.

1521
01:11:39,853 --> 01:11:43,133
Speaker 2: And yeah, sorry to jump in there, Cray, but do

1522
01:11:43,173 --> 01:11:45,173
Speaker 2: you think there's you know, there's been a lot of

1523
01:11:45,213 --> 01:11:47,173
Speaker 2: talk about wall in New Zealand over the past couple

1524
01:11:47,213 --> 01:11:49,173
Speaker 2: of years and we get we're very proud when people

1525
01:11:49,213 --> 01:11:50,812
Speaker 2: want to jump in and try and use that product

1526
01:11:50,812 --> 01:11:52,852
Speaker 2: because they just say it as a miracle product for

1527
01:11:52,893 --> 01:11:54,933
Speaker 2: whatever they're doing. But do you think that there was,

1528
01:11:55,652 --> 01:11:58,732
Speaker 2: or maybe still is an element of maybe too much

1529
01:11:58,812 --> 01:12:01,812
Speaker 2: hype around it being good for everything when you've got

1530
01:12:01,812 --> 01:12:04,173
Speaker 2: to focus in on the areas it just does well.

1531
01:12:05,532 --> 01:12:07,333
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think a lot of people when they

1532
01:12:07,372 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 10: jump into these things, into the making new products, and

1533
01:12:10,732 --> 01:12:12,412
Speaker 10: I take my head off to everyone that does it.

1534
01:12:13,933 --> 01:12:17,732
Speaker 10: The pipeline going from you know, sharing a sheet like

1535
01:12:17,772 --> 01:12:20,412
Speaker 10: I'm sitting in the middle of McKenzie basin now and

1536
01:12:20,452 --> 01:12:23,892
Speaker 10: to see you know, our next next jumpers that will

1537
01:12:23,893 --> 01:12:27,133
Speaker 10: go on to our consumers will be in twenty twenty

1538
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:28,333
Speaker 10: eight once that wall shorn.

1539
01:12:28,532 --> 01:12:30,173
Speaker 3: Wow ye this year.

1540
01:12:30,372 --> 01:12:30,732
Speaker 17: You know.

1541
01:12:30,893 --> 01:12:33,372
Speaker 10: So that's a long pipeline and you've you've got to

1542
01:12:33,412 --> 01:12:35,973
Speaker 10: cash flow all that and then people understand what if

1543
01:12:36,013 --> 01:12:39,373
Speaker 10: you're paying the farmers say twenty four bucks cleaner kilogram,

1544
01:12:39,372 --> 01:12:41,772
Speaker 10: and but the jumper is two hundred and eighty and

1545
01:12:42,732 --> 01:12:45,412
Speaker 10: you go, how does that all work? And so there's

1546
01:12:45,452 --> 01:12:48,532
Speaker 10: a lot of the process in the background, and you

1547
01:12:48,572 --> 01:12:52,372
Speaker 10: can't you can't change that process. You just can't speed

1548
01:12:52,412 --> 01:12:56,612
Speaker 10: it up, you know. So it's a lot of a

1549
01:12:56,652 --> 01:12:59,133
Speaker 10: lot of making sure that when people get into these

1550
01:12:59,652 --> 01:13:05,093
Speaker 10: products that they understand the full pipeline and using the

1551
01:13:05,173 --> 01:13:06,492
Speaker 10: right wall for the right product.

1552
01:13:06,933 --> 01:13:08,692
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what people are talking about a lot now,

1553
01:13:08,812 --> 01:13:09,932
Speaker 3: Marino boxer shorts.

1554
01:13:10,452 --> 01:13:10,692
Speaker 14: Right.

1555
01:13:10,812 --> 01:13:13,293
Speaker 3: I've got a few friends that that have jumped on Marino.

1556
01:13:13,532 --> 01:13:15,652
Speaker 3: So you talk to the what did you say next

1557
01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:18,333
Speaker 3: to skin products, Craig, is that what you call them? Yeah?

1558
01:13:18,772 --> 01:13:22,013
Speaker 3: And anyone that's on the Marino boxer shorts, will they

1559
01:13:22,053 --> 01:13:25,692
Speaker 3: become like a religious convert good? Feel real good?

1560
01:13:25,772 --> 01:13:28,492
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you can you can wear them for days,

1561
01:13:28,612 --> 01:13:33,732
Speaker 10: just hang them out overnight and brilliant. Yet one pre

1562
01:13:33,772 --> 01:13:34,253
Speaker 10: for the weak.

1563
01:13:35,732 --> 01:13:36,652
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty good to me.

1564
01:13:37,253 --> 01:13:39,852
Speaker 3: Look great. That's how I sell them to my partner. Yeah, Tracy,

1565
01:13:39,853 --> 01:13:42,052
Speaker 3: I love that saved money.

1566
01:13:42,133 --> 01:13:45,093
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you mind if we mentioned I've just looked

1567
01:13:45,093 --> 01:13:46,772
Speaker 2: you up hectually? Do you mind if we give your

1568
01:13:46,772 --> 01:13:51,132
Speaker 2: business we mentioned no? Do you live because you're you're devolved?

1569
01:13:51,213 --> 01:13:51,333
Speaker 19: Right?

1570
01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:52,452
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1571
01:13:52,532 --> 01:13:54,013
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I know. I know you didn't want to

1572
01:13:54,013 --> 01:13:55,452
Speaker 2: plug here, but I was just having a look at

1573
01:13:55,452 --> 01:13:58,012
Speaker 2: some of your products, and it's beautiful products and very

1574
01:13:58,652 --> 01:14:01,173
Speaker 2: reasonably priced as well. So are you doing doing pretty

1575
01:14:01,173 --> 01:14:03,452
Speaker 2: well at the moment, I might.

1576
01:14:03,372 --> 01:14:06,572
Speaker 10: Have gone got an out. Our model, our supply model

1577
01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:10,133
Speaker 10: is probably different to most others. Is where like I said,

1578
01:14:10,133 --> 01:14:13,532
Speaker 10: I'm sitting in McKenzie basin, and we probably take ninety

1579
01:14:13,652 --> 01:14:16,453
Speaker 10: ninety five percent of the wall out of the mckensie

1580
01:14:16,492 --> 01:14:20,972
Speaker 10: basin and put that through our own supply chain. There's

1581
01:14:21,013 --> 01:14:24,612
Speaker 10: where I've got our own processing plants, manufacturing cut so

1582
01:14:25,293 --> 01:14:28,012
Speaker 10: and a little plant in Lithuania that's putting out around

1583
01:14:28,053 --> 01:14:31,973
Speaker 10: forty thousand garments a week. And so that's one of

1584
01:14:31,973 --> 01:14:34,093
Speaker 10: the big things around wall is you've got to give

1585
01:14:34,093 --> 01:14:36,133
Speaker 10: it the respect that it deserves and treat it with

1586
01:14:36,253 --> 01:14:39,213
Speaker 10: quality because it is a quality product. And so to

1587
01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:41,652
Speaker 10: get a quality garment you need great ingredients, you know,

1588
01:14:41,732 --> 01:14:45,652
Speaker 10: and always go back to the old scenario. Wool and

1589
01:14:45,732 --> 01:14:48,852
Speaker 10: wine are very similar as in like if you go

1590
01:14:48,933 --> 01:14:52,812
Speaker 10: to a single source svinyard and grab a pinot, it'll

1591
01:14:52,853 --> 01:14:55,412
Speaker 10: be beautiful. But if you go and then get that

1592
01:14:55,492 --> 01:14:58,333
Speaker 10: same pinot, put some chardonnay, some salve and some Merla

1593
01:14:58,452 --> 01:15:01,412
Speaker 10: pour it all together, you've got a glass of wine.

1594
01:15:02,372 --> 01:15:05,293
Speaker 10: And that's not a lie. That is that is what

1595
01:15:05,372 --> 01:15:07,293
Speaker 10: it is, but it's not very nice. And that's the

1596
01:15:07,333 --> 01:15:11,053
Speaker 10: same with what's been happening with the wool industry. There's

1597
01:15:11,053 --> 01:15:13,293
Speaker 10: a lot of blending that goes on. But if we

1598
01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:18,452
Speaker 10: give the respect that wool needs and deserves and make

1599
01:15:18,492 --> 01:15:21,093
Speaker 10: great products, then you know, no one will complain about

1600
01:15:21,093 --> 01:15:24,532
Speaker 10: the product, and then price becomes irrelevant because you know

1601
01:15:24,572 --> 01:15:26,412
Speaker 10: it's going to last for a long time. And all

1602
01:15:26,412 --> 01:15:30,173
Speaker 10: we're already doing is a brand is one thing. Our

1603
01:15:30,173 --> 01:15:33,492
Speaker 10: consumers to have the best experience they can when they

1604
01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:35,572
Speaker 10: put it one of our jumpers on, you know, and

1605
01:15:36,093 --> 01:15:39,892
Speaker 10: sweaters and stuff, and having that provenance back to the

1606
01:15:39,933 --> 01:15:43,412
Speaker 10: actual farm that that wall came from is kind of

1607
01:15:43,452 --> 01:15:47,572
Speaker 10: what's our consumer base. And we're not that big, but

1608
01:15:47,612 --> 01:15:50,692
Speaker 10: it's just that real providence. At least we can say

1609
01:15:50,692 --> 01:15:56,132
Speaker 10: that we do. You know, qualities of us is everything,

1610
01:15:56,173 --> 01:15:58,812
Speaker 10: and that quality is not just a finished garment. It's

1611
01:15:59,412 --> 01:16:01,372
Speaker 10: the way the wall was harvested. It was the way

1612
01:16:01,372 --> 01:16:04,173
Speaker 10: the wall's processed. And once you put all that into

1613
01:16:04,213 --> 01:16:07,532
Speaker 10: one package, then you get longevity. And like I said,

1614
01:16:07,532 --> 01:16:10,412
Speaker 10: the Vulte been going in eighteen fifty three. Yes, it's

1615
01:16:10,412 --> 01:16:12,253
Speaker 10: had its ups and downs, and it's funny it's on

1616
01:16:12,333 --> 01:16:15,372
Speaker 10: its third owner now, I think out of all that time,

1617
01:16:16,612 --> 01:16:18,652
Speaker 10: you know, and that's because they got it right right

1618
01:16:18,692 --> 01:16:19,213
Speaker 10: at the beginning.

1619
01:16:19,213 --> 01:16:21,293
Speaker 3: And yeah, thank you so much, Craig. Are you good

1620
01:16:21,293 --> 01:16:24,012
Speaker 3: on your mate? We've just got got an ad coming

1621
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:25,652
Speaker 3: at us fast. But thank you so much.

1622
01:16:25,732 --> 01:16:29,012
Speaker 2: That was brilliant right back, Yeah, fantastic. It is seven

1623
01:16:29,053 --> 01:16:30,732
Speaker 2: to three back very shortly.

1624
01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:37,852
Speaker 1: Always read the issues that affect you and a bit

1625
01:16:37,893 --> 01:16:40,612
Speaker 1: of fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

1626
01:16:40,652 --> 01:16:42,573
Speaker 1: afternoons News Talks.

1627
01:16:42,412 --> 01:16:46,572
Speaker 2: B News Talks there B it is four to three.

1628
01:16:47,013 --> 01:16:49,253
Speaker 2: A couple of teachs coming through on old All Birds

1629
01:16:49,253 --> 01:16:50,133
Speaker 2: on nineteen nine two.

1630
01:16:50,452 --> 01:16:52,253
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, I think it's a bit rough to say

1631
01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:55,253
Speaker 3: All Birds failed. If you look at what that was achieved,

1632
01:16:55,253 --> 01:16:57,892
Speaker 3: it's actually pretty epic, even if it hyped and then

1633
01:16:57,973 --> 01:16:59,732
Speaker 3: fell to a quite a level of trade. What I

1634
01:16:59,732 --> 01:17:02,612
Speaker 3: think happened is it became hyped by up by finance

1635
01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:06,133
Speaker 3: guys since the BS evaluation. Realistically, though, how many New

1636
01:17:06,213 --> 01:17:08,852
Speaker 3: Zealand and power brands have ever sold for around sixty

1637
01:17:08,893 --> 01:17:11,133
Speaker 3: eight million? I actually think we should view this as

1638
01:17:11,133 --> 01:17:15,692
Speaker 3: a New Zealand success story. However, where were they paying

1639
01:17:15,732 --> 01:17:18,173
Speaker 3: tax out of interest. Yeah, was it in a New

1640
01:17:18,253 --> 01:17:19,973
Speaker 3: Zealand band or just a New Zealand founder? Did we

1641
01:17:20,013 --> 01:17:22,572
Speaker 3: actually offer New Zealand any real value? But it is.

1642
01:17:22,652 --> 01:17:23,772
Speaker 3: I mean it's a good point and I think for

1643
01:17:23,772 --> 01:17:27,093
Speaker 3: Tim Brown who started it, he definitely did well. Yeah,

1644
01:17:27,093 --> 01:17:29,093
Speaker 3: from coming up with the idea in twenty fourteen in

1645
01:17:29,093 --> 01:17:29,733
Speaker 3: the flat.

1646
01:17:29,532 --> 01:17:31,812
Speaker 2: He certainly earned more than he did as a Phoenix player,

1647
01:17:31,933 --> 01:17:33,372
Speaker 2: So that's got to be good. We're going to carry

1648
01:17:33,372 --> 01:17:35,732
Speaker 2: this on for a little while after three o'clock, taking

1649
01:17:35,772 --> 01:17:38,213
Speaker 2: your calls.

1650
01:17:38,013 --> 01:17:42,213
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1651
01:17:42,452 --> 01:17:46,213
Speaker 1: everything in between. Kid's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon,

1652
01:17:46,372 --> 01:17:48,973
Speaker 1: Squid Scudder News Talk SIVY.

1653
01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:52,053
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. It is six past three and just

1654
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:57,133
Speaker 2: a reminder, Gareth ab denor our employment workplace specialists will

1655
01:17:57,173 --> 01:17:59,892
Speaker 2: be with us just after three point thirty taking your

1656
01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:02,213
Speaker 2: calls and questions. Anything going on in your plates of

1657
01:18:02,333 --> 01:18:04,772
Speaker 2: work that you've got a problem with, or some curly

1658
01:18:04,853 --> 01:18:07,692
Speaker 2: questions you need answered. He is the man to chat to.

1659
01:18:07,933 --> 01:18:13,212
Speaker 3: Yes, great opportunity to get some employment workpace from an expert,

1660
01:18:13,213 --> 01:18:15,812
Speaker 3: the director of Ebnall Employment Laws So one hundred and

1661
01:18:15,853 --> 01:18:18,732
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Get in early. Nine two ninety two

1662
01:18:18,933 --> 01:18:21,013
Speaker 3: is the text number, but it gets We only do

1663
01:18:21,053 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 3: it for half an hour, so he gets pretty clogs.

1664
01:18:22,772 --> 01:18:25,293
Speaker 2: Get in Yeah, pays to get in early. Get in there,

1665
01:18:25,372 --> 01:18:27,293
Speaker 2: Get in there now, just quickly before we get back

1666
01:18:27,293 --> 01:18:29,213
Speaker 2: to our discussion about all Birds and what went wrong

1667
01:18:29,213 --> 01:18:31,812
Speaker 2: with that particular company. Are you a fan of the

1668
01:18:31,812 --> 01:18:32,532
Speaker 2: movie Old School?

1669
01:18:32,572 --> 01:18:34,013
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite movies of all time.

1670
01:18:34,053 --> 01:18:35,892
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that. It's one of my favorites

1671
01:18:35,933 --> 01:18:36,253
Speaker 2: as well.

1672
01:18:36,293 --> 01:18:37,052
Speaker 3: I love that movie.

1673
01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:39,852
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn, Will Farrell, Luke Wilson. If you haven't seen,

1674
01:18:39,853 --> 01:18:41,452
Speaker 2: it's about a bunch of guys in their thirties they

1675
01:18:41,452 --> 01:18:45,372
Speaker 2: attempt to recapture their glory days by opening a fraternity

1676
01:18:45,412 --> 01:18:48,092
Speaker 2: near their old university. It is hilarious, It is so good,

1677
01:18:48,452 --> 01:18:51,692
Speaker 2: but it is twenty three years old. This much Wow.

1678
01:18:51,772 --> 01:18:54,013
Speaker 2: It was released in April two thousand and three in

1679
01:18:54,053 --> 01:18:54,572
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

1680
01:18:54,612 --> 01:18:57,612
Speaker 3: They were old school, those guys twenty three years ago.

1681
01:18:57,692 --> 01:19:00,653
Speaker 3: So what are they now? I mean Will Ferrell's fantastic.

1682
01:19:00,732 --> 01:19:01,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still funny.

1683
01:19:01,812 --> 01:19:03,452
Speaker 3: No, I want to say he's drive, he.

1684
01:19:03,492 --> 01:19:05,012
Speaker 2: Lost it, He's lost a spark.

1685
01:19:06,133 --> 01:19:08,213
Speaker 3: Watson and Holmes, did you see that Holmes and Watson.

1686
01:19:08,412 --> 01:19:09,652
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was a bit of a dud.

1687
01:19:09,732 --> 01:19:12,452
Speaker 3: That was terrible actually, as recent movies have not been good.

1688
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:15,132
Speaker 3: But he's done so much great stuff. You can't you can't.

1689
01:19:15,173 --> 01:19:16,052
Speaker 3: You can't have some tailor.

1690
01:19:16,133 --> 01:19:17,333
Speaker 2: He's got a good catalogue.

1691
01:19:17,412 --> 01:19:23,372
Speaker 3: Good night. Yeah, the other guys our old school fantastic. Yeah.

1692
01:19:23,412 --> 01:19:26,333
Speaker 2: But when I heard that it was twenty three years

1693
01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:29,133
Speaker 2: old as of this month, And I've been thinking a

1694
01:19:29,173 --> 01:19:32,333
Speaker 2: lot about one of my favorite scenes in that movie.

1695
01:19:32,372 --> 01:19:33,452
Speaker 2: And here is that scene.

1696
01:19:33,652 --> 01:19:37,492
Speaker 3: Oh, it's actually pretty nice. On Saturday, we're gonna go

1697
01:19:37,532 --> 01:19:38,333
Speaker 3: to Hoole Depaut.

1698
01:19:39,013 --> 01:19:42,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mas wall paper, maybe gets some flooring stuff like that.

1699
01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:44,093
Speaker 3: Maybe bad bout in the eye.

1700
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:44,532
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1701
01:19:44,772 --> 01:19:46,093
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll have enough time.

1702
01:19:48,452 --> 01:19:50,652
Speaker 2: So if you haven't seen that, his name's Frank the Tank,

1703
01:19:50,692 --> 01:19:52,892
Speaker 2: that's the character name. They go to this party and

1704
01:19:52,933 --> 01:19:56,092
Speaker 2: they're asking him to chug a beer and he says,

1705
01:19:56,293 --> 01:19:58,053
Speaker 2: like most people in that age back and I've got

1706
01:19:58,133 --> 01:19:59,892
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I've got things to do on Saturday.

1707
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:01,492
Speaker 2: And when I watched that, I said, I am never

1708
01:20:01,572 --> 01:20:03,973
Speaker 2: gonna be that Frank the Tank. I'm always going to

1709
01:20:04,013 --> 01:20:06,133
Speaker 2: be running naked through the quad, I'm always going to

1710
01:20:06,173 --> 01:20:09,492
Speaker 2: be taking that beer bomb. But I've quickly realized watching

1711
01:20:09,492 --> 01:20:11,812
Speaker 2: that scene again, that's exactly what I am. I am

1712
01:20:11,812 --> 01:20:14,333
Speaker 2: now fizzing up to go to Bunnings.

1713
01:20:14,452 --> 01:20:15,772
Speaker 3: So he would have been thirty five.

1714
01:20:16,093 --> 01:20:17,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty five, Yeah, so.

1715
01:20:17,652 --> 01:20:21,052
Speaker 3: Thirty five, and at that point he'd given up on partying.

1716
01:20:21,093 --> 01:20:22,692
Speaker 3: He was trying to give up party, just got married

1717
01:20:22,732 --> 01:20:24,852
Speaker 3: in the movie, and she goes before he goes out,

1718
01:20:25,013 --> 01:20:27,852
Speaker 3: you know, we don't want to see Frank the Tank again.

1719
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:30,612
Speaker 3: We don't want to see Frank the Tank again. He's

1720
01:20:30,612 --> 01:20:33,652
Speaker 3: telling these young guys at this party, you know, I'm

1721
01:20:33,853 --> 01:20:35,492
Speaker 3: you know this what I'm doing. I'm going to home Depot.

1722
01:20:36,013 --> 01:20:37,372
Speaker 3: But of course, you know what happened in the movie.

1723
01:20:38,053 --> 01:20:40,892
Speaker 3: He then turns into Frank the Tank and we're going

1724
01:20:40,973 --> 01:20:45,932
Speaker 3: streaking great Squad and then his new wife they're driving around,

1725
01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:47,852
Speaker 3: they see this nude guy running along and then she

1726
01:20:47,893 --> 01:20:50,093
Speaker 3: realized it's her husband and he's going streaking but he's

1727
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:50,692
Speaker 3: on the zone.

1728
01:20:50,532 --> 01:20:52,572
Speaker 2: Right ends up in divorce for Frank the Tank.

1729
01:20:52,652 --> 01:20:54,213
Speaker 3: So which one are you? Are you Frank the Tank

1730
01:20:54,333 --> 01:20:58,133
Speaker 3: or are you Frank going to home depot, going to

1731
01:20:58,133 --> 01:20:58,692
Speaker 3: bid Bath.

1732
01:20:58,572 --> 01:21:00,932
Speaker 2: And beyond Sadley on the on the letter, you're getting

1733
01:21:00,933 --> 01:21:03,372
Speaker 2: fizzed up, fizzed up. They go to Bunnings on Saturday,

1734
01:21:03,572 --> 01:21:05,452
Speaker 2: fizzed up. We're going to do some shopping around some

1735
01:21:05,492 --> 01:21:07,612
Speaker 2: other home depot stores because we've got a bit to

1736
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:09,452
Speaker 2: buy for the house. I just thought, you know what,

1737
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:11,333
Speaker 2: I watched that scene. I thought it was very funny,

1738
01:21:11,372 --> 01:21:13,253
Speaker 2: but there's no truth in it. But turned out all

1739
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:15,133
Speaker 2: along there was a lot of truth in that scene.

1740
01:21:15,213 --> 01:21:16,933
Speaker 3: So you have a lot of people you were How

1741
01:21:17,013 --> 01:21:19,093
Speaker 3: long were you frank the tank for? How often were

1742
01:21:19,133 --> 01:21:21,612
Speaker 3: you get streaking through the quad?

1743
01:21:22,572 --> 01:21:24,492
Speaker 2: I only did that about three or four times, so

1744
01:21:24,532 --> 01:21:27,692
Speaker 2: I think those days probably ended about five years ago.

1745
01:21:27,812 --> 01:21:29,692
Speaker 2: It's still in there. There's still that spar you.

1746
01:21:29,893 --> 01:21:34,252
Speaker 3: Are you happier as the person that goes to Bunnings

1747
01:21:34,253 --> 01:21:37,852
Speaker 3: in the weekend and has your whole weekend planned out

1748
01:21:37,853 --> 01:21:40,372
Speaker 3: for those kind of little Admond chores? Were you happier

1749
01:21:40,412 --> 01:21:42,173
Speaker 3: when you were streaking through the quad?

1750
01:21:42,452 --> 01:21:45,333
Speaker 2: You know what, I think I'm happier now just waking

1751
01:21:45,412 --> 01:21:47,333
Speaker 2: up getting fizzed up to go to Bunnings. It's a

1752
01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:47,772
Speaker 2: good life.

1753
01:21:47,893 --> 01:21:50,532
Speaker 3: That's life where you, isn't It certainly is what you

1754
01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:52,293
Speaker 3: think will make you happy at one time in your

1755
01:21:52,333 --> 01:21:54,052
Speaker 3: life is very different as you get older.

1756
01:21:54,093 --> 01:21:56,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there we go old school twenty three years

1757
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:59,652
Speaker 2: old to old school is old school certainly is right

1758
01:21:59,652 --> 01:22:01,892
Speaker 2: back to our discussion about All Birds. So if you

1759
01:22:01,933 --> 01:22:05,452
Speaker 2: haven't read the news, sadly, All Birds is almost no more.

1760
01:22:05,612 --> 01:22:07,692
Speaker 2: At one point it was valued at seven billion dollars.

1761
01:22:07,772 --> 01:22:10,093
Speaker 2: Now it's going to be sold for sixty eight million dollars.

1762
01:22:10,093 --> 01:22:12,692
Speaker 2: It's founded Tim Brown. We'll do okay out of it,

1763
01:22:12,853 --> 01:22:14,892
Speaker 2: but it appears the company is going to wind down

1764
01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:16,932
Speaker 2: All Birds as we know it. So if you've been

1765
01:22:16,973 --> 01:22:18,652
Speaker 2: an All Birds fan, O eight one hundred and eighty

1766
01:22:18,652 --> 01:22:20,013
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call.

1767
01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:23,092
Speaker 3: The shoe was not robust and it never evolved, says

1768
01:22:23,093 --> 01:22:26,333
Speaker 3: this textter. The boys chase the wrong investors who couldn't

1769
01:22:26,333 --> 01:22:28,532
Speaker 3: give them the guidance they needed. I am the co

1770
01:22:28,612 --> 01:22:33,933
Speaker 3: founder of ord Topia at Topia dot com. Yeah, that

1771
01:22:33,933 --> 01:22:36,812
Speaker 3: would be it out Topia isay dot com. Yeap can

1772
01:22:36,973 --> 01:22:39,133
Speaker 3: look that up for me, toys will Yeah. Also was

1773
01:22:39,173 --> 01:22:41,492
Speaker 3: the head of raw materials at Lululemon. I'm a big

1774
01:22:41,492 --> 01:22:45,052
Speaker 3: fan of Lululemon. Running shorts fantastic with the little slider

1775
01:22:45,053 --> 01:22:47,452
Speaker 3: for your phone. The wall was wrong choice and the

1776
01:22:47,532 --> 01:22:52,452
Speaker 3: move to athlete f f leisure huge mistake. I'm about

1777
01:22:52,492 --> 01:22:54,532
Speaker 3: to write a white paper on the demise. Well, I'd

1778
01:22:54,612 --> 01:22:55,572
Speaker 3: love to read that texture.

1779
01:22:55,732 --> 01:22:57,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like you're in the no I've just tried

1780
01:22:57,532 --> 01:23:00,093
Speaker 2: to look up. Oh yeah, here it is our Topia

1781
01:23:00,293 --> 01:23:03,852
Speaker 2: spring summer two, two thy and twenty six. So what

1782
01:23:03,893 --> 01:23:05,933
Speaker 2: do you do here? Oh yeah, they kind of do

1783
01:23:05,973 --> 01:23:09,173
Speaker 2: the Lululemon style situation. They got woman and sole run

1784
01:23:09,213 --> 01:23:12,892
Speaker 2: short tights, unisex world hat, running caps. It's kind of

1785
01:23:12,973 --> 01:23:14,732
Speaker 2: like a athletic start.

1786
01:23:14,933 --> 01:23:17,893
Speaker 3: So the guidance they needed, Yeah, that the wrong of

1787
01:23:17,973 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 3: vestas can be a big thing, right, because when you

1788
01:23:19,853 --> 01:23:22,933
Speaker 3: get a bunch of money coming in, you need a

1789
01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:26,532
Speaker 3: bunch of advice to move into a being a different

1790
01:23:26,572 --> 01:23:30,412
Speaker 3: type of company. Yeah, you know, boutique to seven billion

1791
01:23:30,492 --> 01:23:33,333
Speaker 3: dollar global company.

1792
01:23:33,372 --> 01:23:35,173
Speaker 2: It's a lot that can go wrong at their points. Yeah,

1793
01:23:35,372 --> 01:23:37,333
Speaker 2: I keep those tacks coming through a nine two niney two.

1794
01:23:37,372 --> 01:23:39,812
Speaker 2: But taking your calls, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1795
01:23:39,893 --> 01:23:43,012
Speaker 2: it is twelve bars three. Used talks, it'd be quarter

1796
01:23:43,053 --> 01:23:46,012
Speaker 2: bar three. We're talking about the demise of all birds.

1797
01:23:46,053 --> 01:23:47,772
Speaker 2: So eight hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call

1798
01:23:47,812 --> 01:23:48,532
Speaker 2: get a mark.

1799
01:23:49,652 --> 01:23:52,213
Speaker 6: Today, guys, there's one name that comes to mind. Look,

1800
01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:54,572
Speaker 6: I think all birds did exceptionally well, but there's one

1801
01:23:54,652 --> 01:23:58,733
Speaker 6: name that comes to mind, and that's l A Gear.

1802
01:23:59,293 --> 01:23:59,892
Speaker 2: Ol A Gear.

1803
01:24:00,053 --> 01:24:05,732
Speaker 7: L A La Gear were the third athletic shoe behind

1804
01:24:05,853 --> 01:24:10,052
Speaker 7: Nike and Reebok and the beginning of the nineteen nineties

1805
01:24:10,093 --> 01:24:10,732
Speaker 7: in the USA.

1806
01:24:11,692 --> 01:24:17,972
Speaker 6: They were humongous. They came from nowhere. The date they

1807
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 6: sort of went public in eighty six. By ninety three

1808
01:24:21,372 --> 01:24:21,972
Speaker 6: ninety four.

1809
01:24:21,853 --> 01:24:24,852
Speaker 3: It was over right, it was over what.

1810
01:24:24,772 --> 01:24:27,892
Speaker 6: Happened they had well, they.

1811
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:29,932
Speaker 3: Just fell out of favor, Yeah right.

1812
01:24:29,812 --> 01:24:33,372
Speaker 19: They just it was. It was a lifestyle brand, Yeah,

1813
01:24:33,412 --> 01:24:37,693
Speaker 19: and a sort of you get lost in the milians.

1814
01:24:37,732 --> 01:24:42,772
Speaker 19: But La Michael Jackson, Paula Abdall, Blinda Carlisle at the top.

1815
01:24:42,812 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 19: This is late eighties, early nineties, huge artists Wayne Gretzky,

1816
01:24:47,412 --> 01:24:53,892
Speaker 19: Joe Montanner were all La Gear endorsers. You wouldn't even

1817
01:24:53,973 --> 01:24:54,612
Speaker 19: know today.

1818
01:24:54,933 --> 01:24:59,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've Yeah, they still exist. LA Gear currentiships within

1819
01:24:59,692 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 3: the see just exists. So I mean, if if we've

1820
01:25:04,253 --> 01:25:05,852
Speaker 3: got a chance to come back, you know, you have

1821
01:25:05,933 --> 01:25:09,532
Speaker 3: things like we were talking before about Birkenstocks, Birkenstocks used

1822
01:25:09,532 --> 01:25:13,612
Speaker 3: to just be kind of a weird shoe, weird long socks.

1823
01:25:13,652 --> 01:25:16,372
Speaker 3: Birkenstocks are in a situation, but then they just blow

1824
01:25:16,452 --> 01:25:16,892
Speaker 3: up again.

1825
01:25:16,973 --> 01:25:19,612
Speaker 2: So la, Yeah, they could could make a return drink

1826
01:25:19,652 --> 01:25:22,053
Speaker 2: and they could make a return well, who knows.

1827
01:25:22,053 --> 01:25:24,492
Speaker 6: Look, it's just a shell now. It's pars to be

1828
01:25:24,572 --> 01:25:28,213
Speaker 6: when when you read through. But it's interesting to see

1829
01:25:28,253 --> 01:25:30,852
Speaker 6: that the founder, Robert Greenberg, when he left l a

1830
01:25:30,973 --> 01:25:37,932
Speaker 6: year he went and founded Sketches, Right, Sketches, How big

1831
01:25:37,973 --> 01:25:38,693
Speaker 6: your sketches?

1832
01:25:38,973 --> 01:25:40,173
Speaker 9: He's just humongous.

1833
01:25:40,253 --> 01:25:44,932
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they are a huge lifestyle brand, but they

1834
01:25:45,213 --> 01:25:48,572
Speaker 6: they primarily look started for comfort.

1835
01:25:49,452 --> 01:25:51,772
Speaker 2: It's part of the problem when you when you tie

1836
01:25:51,812 --> 01:25:54,812
Speaker 2: yourself to the fashion at the time. Right, the Zeke guy,

1837
01:25:54,933 --> 01:25:58,213
Speaker 2: so to speak, is you know, fashion is a pretty

1838
01:25:58,253 --> 01:26:00,333
Speaker 2: cruel mistress to a lot of people. Kicks you out

1839
01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:02,333
Speaker 2: of bed when the seasons changes, and if that's all

1840
01:26:02,333 --> 01:26:06,692
Speaker 2: you've got. Like Nike, for example, Nike has been up

1841
01:26:06,692 --> 01:26:09,492
Speaker 2: the top for for many, many decades, and they've been

1842
01:26:09,572 --> 01:26:11,532
Speaker 2: very clever at how they've managed to do that, right,

1843
01:26:11,853 --> 01:26:14,293
Speaker 2: is that they haven't just relied on being the latest

1844
01:26:14,333 --> 01:26:17,133
Speaker 2: coolest thing. They've aligned themselves as sports stars obviously, which

1845
01:26:17,173 --> 01:26:20,772
Speaker 2: is a good strategy. But constantly innovating.

1846
01:26:21,412 --> 01:26:23,253
Speaker 6: That's what you have to do, and you have to

1847
01:26:23,293 --> 01:26:25,972
Speaker 6: have huge deep pockets to do that as well. Which

1848
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:29,412
Speaker 6: All Birds again in terms of when you look at

1849
01:26:29,452 --> 01:26:33,372
Speaker 6: their capitalizations, they had one one product. They were one

1850
01:26:33,372 --> 01:26:35,452
Speaker 6: trick pony and in terms of that that that sort

1851
01:26:35,492 --> 01:26:37,893
Speaker 6: of shoe and we're like, okay, and it comes in

1852
01:26:37,973 --> 01:26:40,933
Speaker 6: a bunch of colors. That's it just comes in a

1853
01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:43,572
Speaker 6: bunch of colors. Whereas you know with so many other

1854
01:26:43,612 --> 01:26:46,612
Speaker 6: ship shoe manufacturers. In terms of the athletics side, you

1855
01:26:46,692 --> 01:26:49,293
Speaker 6: can have subsets of so many different things cars doneing

1856
01:26:49,333 --> 01:26:53,492
Speaker 6: from basketball all the way through to running. So you've

1857
01:26:53,492 --> 01:26:57,052
Speaker 6: got that sort of broader base to rely upon. But look,

1858
01:26:57,093 --> 01:27:02,652
Speaker 6: I think fantastic the idea genesis come through launch. Take

1859
01:27:02,692 --> 01:27:04,532
Speaker 6: it as far as you can take it. It was

1860
01:27:04,572 --> 01:27:08,173
Speaker 6: institutionalized out you know, other investors can. No one's lost

1861
01:27:08,173 --> 01:27:11,612
Speaker 6: his shirt here, right, this was no one went all in.

1862
01:27:12,053 --> 01:27:14,333
Speaker 6: I'm going to pull everything I've got into All Birds

1863
01:27:14,412 --> 01:27:17,452
Speaker 6: because if you're just an idiot, but no one's lost

1864
01:27:17,492 --> 01:27:18,412
Speaker 6: issue completely.

1865
01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:21,812
Speaker 3: I always think about that, though, where does that money go?

1866
01:27:21,853 --> 01:27:25,412
Speaker 3: Where's that well? Seven billion New Zealand gone gone, so

1867
01:27:25,933 --> 01:27:28,852
Speaker 3: gone gone. But you know, people make these decisions to

1868
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:31,253
Speaker 3: invest a bunch of money in a company and they've

1869
01:27:31,253 --> 01:27:35,133
Speaker 3: got it so wrong. I mean, to spend that much

1870
01:27:35,133 --> 01:27:36,972
Speaker 3: money and get it that wrong to the point where

1871
01:27:36,973 --> 01:27:40,053
Speaker 3: you go from well it was three points whatever it was.

1872
01:27:40,093 --> 01:27:44,093
Speaker 6: American was a value though in terms of its you know,

1873
01:27:44,333 --> 01:27:49,852
Speaker 6: actual liquid value. Look as we're seeing it, you know,

1874
01:27:50,532 --> 01:27:53,972
Speaker 6: the skeleton's being sold for sixty million bucks. Yeah, so

1875
01:27:54,093 --> 01:27:56,532
Speaker 6: the valuation was you know, in terms of the stop

1876
01:27:56,612 --> 01:27:59,093
Speaker 6: making future forward, you know that.

1877
01:27:59,133 --> 01:28:02,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, about the IPO, the I p O and twenty

1878
01:28:02,933 --> 01:28:07,372
Speaker 3: twenty one four point one billion American and that stop

1879
01:28:07,692 --> 01:28:11,732
Speaker 3: that's that that shear prices collapsed ninety nine point five percent.

1880
01:28:13,293 --> 01:28:14,852
Speaker 6: I hope it got well over.

1881
01:28:15,772 --> 01:28:16,053
Speaker 2: I hope.

1882
01:28:16,732 --> 01:28:21,372
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Dad, I'm sure. I'm sure he's yeah, has

1883
01:28:21,452 --> 01:28:24,093
Speaker 3: only mistaken if he didn't put it, if he didn't

1884
01:28:24,093 --> 01:28:26,612
Speaker 3: put a little bit away, and then he saw it

1885
01:28:26,612 --> 01:28:28,173
Speaker 3: out his future at one point on the rise.

1886
01:28:28,933 --> 01:28:31,652
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, Look, you call it like a

1887
01:28:31,732 --> 01:28:34,213
Speaker 6: virtual corporation. It came into bidding for a short period

1888
01:28:34,253 --> 01:28:35,852
Speaker 6: of time, it made a heck of a lot of money,

1889
01:28:36,293 --> 01:28:37,932
Speaker 6: and it justid won.

1890
01:28:37,973 --> 01:28:40,492
Speaker 3: If you told him back in twenty fourteen when were

1891
01:28:40,492 --> 01:28:41,892
Speaker 3: sitting on the couch with his mate in the flat

1892
01:28:41,933 --> 01:28:44,372
Speaker 3: and Wellington went, what do we make some sustainable shoes?

1893
01:28:44,652 --> 01:28:46,692
Speaker 3: If they then said, how would you feel if it

1894
01:28:46,772 --> 01:28:49,572
Speaker 3: was valued at one point at seven point something Billy

1895
01:28:49,572 --> 01:28:51,732
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, and then in the end you sell

1896
01:28:51,772 --> 01:28:54,213
Speaker 3: up for sixty eight million, He'd go, well, actually it's.

1897
01:28:54,053 --> 01:28:55,932
Speaker 2: Pretty good, but it's still at sixty eight Yeah, it's

1898
01:28:55,933 --> 01:28:59,492
Speaker 2: still pretty good for the right the ride wouldn't thanks

1899
01:28:59,532 --> 01:29:00,532
Speaker 2: to the cool mark.

1900
01:29:00,532 --> 01:29:03,972
Speaker 3: I tell you another great shoe company that that flew

1901
01:29:04,053 --> 01:29:05,173
Speaker 3: high and then disappeared.

1902
01:29:05,213 --> 01:29:09,932
Speaker 2: But you know Lydia shows, Yes, very famous.

1903
01:29:09,973 --> 01:29:14,572
Speaker 3: The Lydiad Shoe Company made fantastic shoes, fantastic running shoes,

1904
01:29:15,612 --> 01:29:17,692
Speaker 3: and they also ran the.

1905
01:29:17,612 --> 01:29:19,812
Speaker 2: Boat shoes as well. Yes, a bunch of incredible stuff.

1906
01:29:20,372 --> 01:29:21,612
Speaker 2: I've actually I've.

1907
01:29:21,492 --> 01:29:24,013
Speaker 3: Actually been reading about the Lydiad Shoe Company because my

1908
01:29:24,093 --> 01:29:27,692
Speaker 3: partner's a Lydia right, So I got given the complete

1909
01:29:27,732 --> 01:29:30,133
Speaker 3: history of Lydiad shoes and I'll be I'm reading it

1910
01:29:30,133 --> 01:29:32,052
Speaker 3: on my Christmas table, on my kitchen table.

1911
01:29:32,173 --> 01:29:32,932
Speaker 2: It'll be a great read.

1912
01:29:33,133 --> 01:29:33,412
Speaker 10: It is.

1913
01:29:33,652 --> 01:29:36,732
Speaker 2: They were very incredible, story famous. So what what happened

1914
01:29:36,772 --> 01:29:39,412
Speaker 2: to Lydia shoes. Why couldn't they Well, I think.

1915
01:29:39,213 --> 01:29:43,973
Speaker 3: What happens was the warehouse happened soon and suddenly the

1916
01:29:44,053 --> 01:29:46,732
Speaker 3: market was flooded with cheap shoes in New Zealand. It

1917
01:29:46,772 --> 01:29:48,492
Speaker 3: was just really hard to manufacture shoes in New Zealand.

1918
01:29:48,532 --> 01:29:51,412
Speaker 2: It's a shame, real shame. Right. It is twenty one

1919
01:29:51,492 --> 01:29:53,652
Speaker 2: pass three taking your calls of eight hundred and eighty

1920
01:29:53,732 --> 01:29:56,532
Speaker 2: ten eighty. Will be back very surely.

1921
01:30:00,173 --> 01:30:03,852
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1922
01:30:03,893 --> 01:30:05,773
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1923
01:30:05,853 --> 01:30:08,213
Speaker 2: Twenty three past three. There's been a few ticks on

1924
01:30:08,532 --> 01:30:09,932
Speaker 2: what the heck are bar of bullets?

1925
01:30:10,013 --> 01:30:12,173
Speaker 3: Bar of bullets? How dare you? You don't have a

1926
01:30:12,173 --> 01:30:12,692
Speaker 3: bar of bullets?

1927
01:30:12,933 --> 01:30:14,092
Speaker 2: Never heard of bar of bullets?

1928
01:30:14,133 --> 01:30:16,412
Speaker 3: You're still buy bar of bullets? Bar of bullets were

1929
01:30:16,572 --> 01:30:18,612
Speaker 3: the he is a bar of bullets? Bar of bullets

1930
01:30:18,652 --> 01:30:23,852
Speaker 3: were were very popular at one stage early nineties.

1931
01:30:23,893 --> 01:30:26,532
Speaker 2: What kind of shoe in the nineties or running shoes?

1932
01:30:26,532 --> 01:30:27,972
Speaker 2: I had a pair of bart of bullets at one point,

1933
01:30:28,253 --> 01:30:33,613
Speaker 2: but see them there, they were conversed before converse, Ah.

1934
01:30:32,812 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 3: That's a type of bar of bullet. That's not the standards.

1935
01:30:34,652 --> 01:30:36,492
Speaker 3: All kinds of bar of bullets, Bar of bullet, what

1936
01:30:36,532 --> 01:30:39,572
Speaker 3: a name the bar of bullets were?

1937
01:30:40,053 --> 01:30:41,092
Speaker 2: I trust a bar bullet.

1938
01:30:41,133 --> 01:30:42,732
Speaker 3: I bought a pair of barter of bullets on Pontsbury

1939
01:30:42,812 --> 01:30:45,213
Speaker 3: Road about fifteen years ago or ten years ago. So

1940
01:30:45,213 --> 01:30:47,532
Speaker 3: you can still get them, Well you could ten years ago.

1941
01:30:47,812 --> 01:30:50,052
Speaker 2: Well we've seen a bart of bullet about fifteen times,

1942
01:30:50,093 --> 01:30:51,692
Speaker 2: so hopefully that gives them a week booster.

1943
01:30:51,812 --> 01:30:56,333
Speaker 3: Bart bullets still going. Have you heard of commandos?

1944
01:30:56,893 --> 01:30:57,093
Speaker 10: No?

1945
01:30:57,333 --> 01:31:00,293
Speaker 3: I designed a pair of commandos with Commando about ten

1946
01:31:00,372 --> 01:31:05,093
Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, commandos that someone someone correctly if we're wrong,

1947
01:31:05,133 --> 01:31:11,532
Speaker 3: but someone found the Commando factory in christ Church and

1948
01:31:11,893 --> 01:31:14,572
Speaker 3: it was still operational, so they still had all the

1949
01:31:14,612 --> 01:31:17,092
Speaker 3: ability to produce the Commando shoes. This is a different

1950
01:31:17,093 --> 01:31:18,892
Speaker 3: thing for barter of bullets. And so someone a few

1951
01:31:18,933 --> 01:31:21,293
Speaker 3: years ago just fired up the Commando factory instead of

1952
01:31:23,053 --> 01:31:23,772
Speaker 3: making them again.

1953
01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:26,812
Speaker 2: So this is a key we brand Commando. Yeah is

1954
01:31:26,853 --> 01:31:28,732
Speaker 2: this this Commando M shoes? I'm just having a look

1955
01:31:28,732 --> 01:31:30,532
Speaker 2: at the story. Commando M sneakers are back.

1956
01:31:30,893 --> 01:31:31,333
Speaker 3: They're back.

1957
01:31:31,412 --> 01:31:33,452
Speaker 2: They're back. There you go, that's all it takes. And

1958
01:31:33,492 --> 01:31:35,812
Speaker 2: look at these beautiful bar of bullets there you go.

1959
01:31:35,973 --> 01:31:40,692
Speaker 2: Just don't know about the name Bart bullet shoe right,

1960
01:31:40,812 --> 01:31:42,852
Speaker 2: bring back to the marta bullets get a Jeremy waiting

1961
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:43,293
Speaker 2: with the show.

1962
01:31:45,372 --> 01:31:46,173
Speaker 10: Hi, how you're doing?

1963
01:31:46,293 --> 01:31:48,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, very go. You're in the footwear business.

1964
01:31:48,973 --> 01:31:52,333
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah. In fact, I went to the Bart factory

1965
01:31:52,452 --> 01:31:56,572
Speaker 10: many many years ago talking about Bart bullets. They were

1966
01:31:56,612 --> 01:32:00,692
Speaker 10: made in Wellington, which is a little bit crazy.

1967
01:32:00,893 --> 01:32:03,452
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we had quite a few shoe manufactures because

1968
01:32:03,492 --> 01:32:05,573
Speaker 3: as I said before, the Lydia shoes were being manufactured

1969
01:32:05,572 --> 01:32:07,532
Speaker 3: in Auckland. You had Bart bullets, and Wellington you had

1970
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:11,213
Speaker 3: Commando's coming out christ Church. I guess the commardest part

1971
01:32:11,213 --> 01:32:12,973
Speaker 3: of power of Rubber I might be making stuff up now.

1972
01:32:15,492 --> 01:32:18,133
Speaker 10: I'm not sure about that one. I can't answer that.

1973
01:32:18,133 --> 01:32:21,892
Speaker 10: But the Barter family, who are from Europe, they founded

1974
01:32:21,973 --> 01:32:24,372
Speaker 10: Barter and still in the in the footwear industry. And

1975
01:32:24,412 --> 01:32:27,333
Speaker 10: there's there's actually still a factory that makes scum boots

1976
01:32:27,372 --> 01:32:31,692
Speaker 10: in Wellington owned by the Barter family at Barter Place.

1977
01:32:32,173 --> 01:32:36,013
Speaker 2: I'm just having a look. They've got on board Amstadt.

1978
01:32:36,253 --> 01:32:37,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on them.

1979
01:32:37,732 --> 01:32:39,213
Speaker 2: I take that back what I said about the name.

1980
01:32:39,253 --> 01:32:40,813
Speaker 2: It's a great name strong.

1981
01:32:42,293 --> 01:32:42,932
Speaker 8: Yes, yea.

1982
01:32:43,333 --> 01:32:45,532
Speaker 2: So tell us about your your shoes. Are you so

1983
01:32:45,692 --> 01:32:48,052
Speaker 2: you make shoes or your you just work in the industry.

1984
01:32:48,692 --> 01:32:53,133
Speaker 10: Yes, so I've been in the industry. We formed a brand,

1985
01:32:53,133 --> 01:32:56,732
Speaker 10: it's called Wai Wai Nation, and you know, we mainly

1986
01:32:56,772 --> 01:32:59,612
Speaker 10: sell into the US market, So I've got quite a

1987
01:32:59,652 --> 01:33:02,892
Speaker 10: lot of insight into that market and you know just

1988
01:33:02,933 --> 01:33:07,093
Speaker 10: how competitive competitive it is and how difficult it is

1989
01:33:07,093 --> 01:33:10,412
Speaker 10: a market. So you know, when we're talking about all Birds,

1990
01:33:10,532 --> 01:33:12,892
Speaker 10: I just think all credit term for what he did.

1991
01:33:13,293 --> 01:33:19,132
Speaker 10: You know, really went out there and credited this new, new, brand,

1992
01:33:19,293 --> 01:33:22,492
Speaker 10: new product out of this material that had kind of

1993
01:33:22,492 --> 01:33:25,732
Speaker 10: been done before, but not in that way. And so

1994
01:33:26,053 --> 01:33:28,173
Speaker 10: you know it's been really interesting to sort of watch

1995
01:33:28,213 --> 01:33:31,173
Speaker 10: that in the industry for sure.

1996
01:33:31,452 --> 01:33:34,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I've just had a look at at

1997
01:33:34,532 --> 01:33:38,333
Speaker 2: y Y Nation. So you guys are sustainably driven as well,

1998
01:33:38,372 --> 01:33:40,852
Speaker 2: but you make your shoes from all sorts of stuff

1999
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:42,092
Speaker 2: kicked us. I'm having to look.

2000
01:33:41,933 --> 01:33:46,692
Speaker 10: At yeah, Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So we're just we're

2001
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:49,852
Speaker 10: not a one track pointy. We have different types of

2002
01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:54,133
Speaker 10: materials that we've developed. So we're working with Marino, but

2003
01:33:54,173 --> 01:33:57,892
Speaker 10: we also work with hemp. We've developed this incredible material

2004
01:33:58,412 --> 01:34:02,612
Speaker 10: utilizing the cactus plant, so you know, evolved a lot

2005
01:34:02,732 --> 01:34:05,333
Speaker 10: in that sort of non plastic space, trying to avoid

2006
01:34:05,372 --> 01:34:09,452
Speaker 10: the use of plastics and look at really, you know, foothealth,

2007
01:34:09,572 --> 01:34:13,093
Speaker 10: what's good to wear, what's comfortable, what performs on the

2008
01:34:13,133 --> 01:34:16,612
Speaker 10: foot and wears really well. So really looking at what

2009
01:34:16,652 --> 01:34:19,772
Speaker 10: customers want to get out of issues and trying to

2010
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:22,492
Speaker 10: prove that we can do it using you know, a

2011
01:34:22,572 --> 01:34:23,692
Speaker 10: natural based material.

2012
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:27,293
Speaker 2: And it's going well at the moment, Jerry, Yeah, you

2013
01:34:27,372 --> 01:34:27,772
Speaker 2: know it is.

2014
01:34:27,853 --> 01:34:31,532
Speaker 10: It's doing really well. We've been in the US now

2015
01:34:31,612 --> 01:34:36,253
Speaker 10: for just over two years and we're in you know retailers,

2016
01:34:36,333 --> 01:34:41,053
Speaker 10: national retailers like Nordstrom and Shields and so you know,

2017
01:34:41,093 --> 01:34:45,732
Speaker 10: it's yeah, doing very well. And it's a constantly evolving space,

2018
01:34:46,173 --> 01:34:49,252
Speaker 10: you know, the footwear industry, just having all the comments,

2019
01:34:49,412 --> 01:34:54,492
Speaker 10: it's constantly changing and evolving, and so you know, we're

2020
01:34:54,492 --> 01:34:57,133
Speaker 10: always looking at what we're doing, how we can do

2021
01:34:57,173 --> 01:35:00,532
Speaker 10: it better, what our customers are saying, to provide them

2022
01:35:00,532 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 10: with a you know, really outstanding experience and a footwear Yeah.

2023
01:35:05,893 --> 01:35:09,253
Speaker 3: Good on you, Jeremy. Would you be if your company

2024
01:35:09,572 --> 01:35:10,892
Speaker 3: sold for sixty eight million?

2025
01:35:12,253 --> 01:35:16,892
Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's not to speculate that we're up

2026
01:35:16,933 --> 01:35:20,572
Speaker 10: for sale or anything, but we're you know we're always

2027
01:35:22,772 --> 01:35:25,093
Speaker 10: sort of seen or looked at from other brands who've

2028
01:35:25,093 --> 01:35:28,412
Speaker 10: been looked at before, because what we're doing is quite

2029
01:35:28,492 --> 01:35:33,572
Speaker 10: unique in the market over there. And yeah, I you know,

2030
01:35:33,652 --> 01:35:35,572
Speaker 10: I think we've still got a lot, a lot to

2031
01:35:35,652 --> 01:35:39,892
Speaker 10: do and a lot to achieve as a business, and

2032
01:35:40,333 --> 01:35:43,732
Speaker 10: can see you know that there's still a lot of

2033
01:35:43,732 --> 01:35:46,692
Speaker 10: opportunity for us. So yeah, we'll see what happens in

2034
01:35:46,692 --> 01:35:47,172
Speaker 10: the future.

2035
01:35:47,492 --> 01:35:49,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll best of luck out there and

2036
01:35:49,652 --> 01:35:51,973
Speaker 3: get on you mate, go go hard and fight the

2037
01:35:52,013 --> 01:35:52,412
Speaker 3: good fight.

2038
01:35:52,772 --> 01:35:54,652
Speaker 2: Now, four hundred thousand people just texted.

2039
01:35:55,253 --> 01:35:58,253
Speaker 3: That's an exaggeration. There was a lot, though, a lot. Yeah,

2040
01:35:58,253 --> 01:36:03,333
Speaker 3: at least twenty at least look up Pewtin and Bar

2041
01:36:03,452 --> 01:36:04,173
Speaker 3: to Bullets.

2042
01:36:04,812 --> 01:36:06,612
Speaker 2: No, listen, marpets.

2043
01:36:07,572 --> 01:36:11,812
Speaker 3: Putin was a It is alleged that Vladimir Putin worked

2044
01:36:11,853 --> 01:36:14,333
Speaker 3: as a salesman for Bar of Bullets. Pewtin was a

2045
01:36:14,372 --> 01:36:18,732
Speaker 3: saleman for Bart of Bullets. Bart of Bullets, Pewtin. Look

2046
01:36:18,772 --> 01:36:21,133
Speaker 3: it up, Pewtin was a Bart of Bullets salesperson.

2047
01:36:23,572 --> 01:36:26,532
Speaker 2: Okay, I take that back. I mean I thought this

2048
01:36:26,572 --> 01:36:29,052
Speaker 2: was an April fool's joke and you're way past midday,

2049
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:31,692
Speaker 2: But turned out I think it was probably true.

2050
01:36:32,333 --> 01:36:35,172
Speaker 3: When former Wakado City Mayor Sir Bob Harvey was seventeen,

2051
01:36:35,213 --> 01:36:37,572
Speaker 3: he joined the pro Soviet Socialist Unity Party, so it

2052
01:36:37,612 --> 01:36:41,973
Speaker 3: was interested in another Russia. Oh okay, here we go.

2053
01:36:42,893 --> 01:36:45,412
Speaker 3: When he was handed an envelope containing ten pages of

2054
01:36:45,612 --> 01:36:48,052
Speaker 3: gallery proofs of a yet to be published book about

2055
01:36:48,093 --> 01:36:51,013
Speaker 3: the future Russian president Vladimir Putin, who visited in the

2056
01:36:51,053 --> 01:36:53,692
Speaker 3: ninety eighties and worked for barter.

2057
01:36:53,572 --> 01:36:57,492
Speaker 2: Bullets, fascinating. Would he have been a good salesperson? I

2058
01:36:57,492 --> 01:37:00,013
Speaker 2: suppose you better buy something or else something bad could

2059
01:37:00,013 --> 01:37:05,133
Speaker 2: happen deep undercover working as a What did he learn

2060
01:37:05,133 --> 01:37:07,652
Speaker 2: when he was here selling barter bullets?

2061
01:37:07,013 --> 01:37:12,452
Speaker 3: This seems well, I'm going to look at Peter.

2062
01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:14,052
Speaker 2: Knows far more about us than maybe we thought.

2063
01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:17,732
Speaker 3: This Vladimir Putin working as a butter bullet salesman in

2064
01:37:17,812 --> 01:37:21,293
Speaker 3: Wellington has derailed our whole chat about all birds.

2065
01:37:21,412 --> 01:37:25,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we need to find out more on this. Yeah,

2066
01:37:25,612 --> 01:37:26,452
Speaker 2: there'll be more to come on.

2067
01:37:26,612 --> 01:37:28,412
Speaker 3: There's hundreds of people texting it through.

2068
01:37:29,572 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 2: That's why I love the show man.

2069
01:37:31,412 --> 01:37:33,772
Speaker 3: I'll look into that. But let's just say, just to

2070
01:37:33,772 --> 01:37:36,173
Speaker 3: finish up the all birds chat, if you were came

2071
01:37:36,253 --> 01:37:39,572
Speaker 3: up with an idea, as Tim Brown did, Founder of

2072
01:37:39,893 --> 01:37:44,013
Speaker 3: All Birds and On Your Couch in twenty fourteen, and

2073
01:37:44,053 --> 01:37:47,652
Speaker 3: then twelve years later, after at one point being valued

2074
01:37:47,692 --> 01:37:49,652
Speaker 3: at seven billion dollars, sold for sixty eight.

2075
01:37:49,572 --> 01:37:52,013
Speaker 2: Million dollars, you'd still go on there ride? When you

2076
01:37:52,612 --> 01:37:53,692
Speaker 2: how can you really?

2077
01:37:53,893 --> 01:37:56,412
Speaker 3: Can you really call it a failure as a ride?

2078
01:37:56,452 --> 01:37:58,532
Speaker 3: I mean it could have gone forever, it could have

2079
01:37:58,532 --> 01:38:01,213
Speaker 3: been a Nike yep. But he flew very high, and

2080
01:38:01,253 --> 01:38:03,253
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's managed to scrawl a little bit away.

2081
01:38:03,372 --> 01:38:05,812
Speaker 3: So in the end, Tim Brown, you know, good on you.

2082
01:38:05,933 --> 01:38:08,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, great key, We well done, good discussion, Thank you

2083
01:38:08,732 --> 01:38:12,133
Speaker 2: very much. Coming up after the headlines, Gareth Abdnor is

2084
01:38:12,173 --> 01:38:16,133
Speaker 2: in studio employment, workplace and information expert. He's brilliant. So

2085
01:38:16,133 --> 01:38:18,412
Speaker 2: if you've got a question or a query, something going

2086
01:38:18,452 --> 01:38:21,173
Speaker 2: on in your workplace, or you've got a problem as

2087
01:38:21,253 --> 01:38:23,133
Speaker 2: the boss, he is the man to chat to. It

2088
01:38:23,213 --> 01:38:25,652
Speaker 2: is completely free advice and he's not here that often,

2089
01:38:25,692 --> 01:38:27,772
Speaker 2: so get in oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

2090
01:38:27,812 --> 01:38:29,213
Speaker 2: is that number nine two text?

2091
01:38:29,253 --> 01:38:31,573
Speaker 3: If you're working in a shoe store and you suspect

2092
01:38:31,612 --> 01:38:35,492
Speaker 3: that one of your co salesmen is a Russian dictator,

2093
01:38:35,532 --> 01:38:36,692
Speaker 3: would love to hear from you as well.

2094
01:38:36,732 --> 01:38:39,173
Speaker 2: Absolutely come on through headlines with Wendy coming.

2095
01:38:39,093 --> 01:38:41,372
Speaker 3: Up, has putin been working in your workplace?

2096
01:38:43,732 --> 01:38:47,333
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2097
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2098
01:38:51,452 --> 01:38:54,733
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2099
01:38:54,812 --> 01:38:58,732
Speaker 15: to consider reviewing our current phase level. The Prime Minister

2100
01:38:58,772 --> 01:39:02,852
Speaker 15: says they're confidence the fall is within normal bounds. Shane

2101
01:39:02,973 --> 01:39:05,452
Speaker 15: Jones won't be backing a bell, making it easier for

2102
01:39:05,532 --> 01:39:09,253
Speaker 15: hospitality venues to sell Booze over Easter. It's scheduled to

2103
01:39:09,253 --> 01:39:11,852
Speaker 15: have its third reading tonight and could be in placed

2104
01:39:11,853 --> 01:39:16,252
Speaker 15: by this Easter weekend. Act once the Broadcasting Standards Authority

2105
01:39:16,412 --> 01:39:19,492
Speaker 15: bind as the body deems it is authority to consider

2106
01:39:19,572 --> 01:39:25,133
Speaker 15: complaints against online broadcasters. Building consents have been continuing to rise,

2107
01:39:25,173 --> 01:39:27,572
Speaker 15: with the latest stats and set data showing the number

2108
01:39:27,612 --> 01:39:30,333
Speaker 15: of new homes consented in the yet of February was

2109
01:39:30,412 --> 01:39:34,652
Speaker 15: up twelve percent on the year before, and Auckland construction

2110
01:39:34,772 --> 01:39:38,612
Speaker 15: companies been fined thirty five thousand dollars for allowing waste

2111
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2113
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2115
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:56,973
Speaker 15: Read more at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to

2116
01:39:57,053 --> 01:39:57,692
Speaker 15: Mattin Tyler.

2117
01:39:57,853 --> 01:39:59,253
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wendy.

2118
01:39:59,372 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 3: We've just said Tim Rocksbury in the studio regaling us

2119
01:40:02,013 --> 01:40:06,213
Speaker 3: with the story of the Vladimir Putin butter bullet salesman.

2120
01:40:06,293 --> 01:40:07,772
Speaker 2: He's gone deep into it. Two legit.

2121
01:40:08,772 --> 01:40:10,812
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's definitely a lot of people that think

2122
01:40:10,812 --> 01:40:14,333
Speaker 3: that they may have bought shoes off leading me at Putin.

2123
01:40:15,333 --> 01:40:15,972
Speaker 10: That's a person.

2124
01:40:17,372 --> 01:40:20,452
Speaker 2: Look how far he's come. Now what a story Putin? Yeah,

2125
01:40:20,492 --> 01:40:24,772
Speaker 2: Putin fluta mayor Putin salesman, Yeah.

2126
01:40:24,492 --> 01:40:28,293
Speaker 3: Dictator and annex of the.

2127
01:40:29,692 --> 01:40:33,253
Speaker 2: We live in a simulation. It's got to be right.

2128
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:35,372
Speaker 2: It is now time once again to have a chat

2129
01:40:35,412 --> 01:40:37,732
Speaker 2: with Gareth abden Or. He is an employment, Workplace and

2130
01:40:37,853 --> 01:40:41,852
Speaker 2: Information expert, Director of abden Or Employment Law. He's with

2131
01:40:41,933 --> 01:40:44,213
Speaker 2: us once a month and he is back with us

2132
01:40:44,213 --> 01:40:47,452
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Get a Gareth. Good a guys, how you

2133
01:40:47,612 --> 01:40:50,333
Speaker 2: doing very well? Nice to have your back mate. So,

2134
01:40:50,772 --> 01:40:53,852
Speaker 2: just before we get into our audience, questions and phone

2135
01:40:53,893 --> 01:40:56,173
Speaker 2: calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty At the moment,

2136
01:40:56,213 --> 01:40:58,652
Speaker 2: I imagine you're getting quite a few questions regarding the

2137
01:40:58,652 --> 01:41:01,173
Speaker 2: fuel prices and can I work from home? And what

2138
01:41:01,213 --> 01:41:03,892
Speaker 2: do I need to do? What are you telling those people?

2139
01:41:05,732 --> 01:41:11,053
Speaker 11: That's a very good question. It's a tricky one, and

2140
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:17,492
Speaker 11: it's almost like flashbacks to COVID, isn't it. Yeah. I

2141
01:41:17,492 --> 01:41:22,053
Speaker 11: think the biggest question I'm or the question I'm being

2142
01:41:22,253 --> 01:41:26,812
Speaker 11: asked most often, is what happens when my staff gets

2143
01:41:26,853 --> 01:41:31,093
Speaker 11: stuck overseas. And there's a lot of people out there

2144
01:41:31,173 --> 01:41:34,812
Speaker 11: that just assume that if they get stuck overseas that

2145
01:41:34,973 --> 01:41:39,932
Speaker 11: they can work off their laptop. And for some people

2146
01:41:40,572 --> 01:41:42,892
Speaker 11: that might be feasible, but for a lot of people

2147
01:41:42,973 --> 01:41:46,253
Speaker 11: that's not going to work. So I think that's something

2148
01:41:46,293 --> 01:41:48,492
Speaker 11: that's on a lot of employers' minds.

2149
01:41:50,093 --> 01:41:52,213
Speaker 3: There'll be a lot of people that are trying to

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Speaker 3: work from home under the cover of this, looking to

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Speaker 3: situations so they can return to their slack ways working

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Speaker 3: at home in their pjs.

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Speaker 2: So follow balance, isn't it for an employer? And I

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01:42:03,253 --> 01:42:05,852
Speaker 2: imagine that who's coming to you, Gareth to say, getting

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01:42:05,853 --> 01:42:08,333
Speaker 2: all these requests from my employees and they don't really

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01:42:08,492 --> 01:42:10,772
Speaker 2: need to work from home, so there must be Is

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01:42:10,772 --> 01:42:12,933
Speaker 2: there a legislation there that they can come back to

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Speaker 2: or rules to say, well, look, I know you want

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Speaker 2: to work from home, but we're not at that point

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Speaker 2: now and you've just got to suck it up and

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Speaker 2: come in.

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01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:24,372
Speaker 11: Yeah, for sure, there's some provisions that any worker can

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01:42:24,532 --> 01:42:30,612
Speaker 11: request flexible work arrangements, which would include potentially working from home,

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Speaker 11: and an employer has to consider those requests, but then

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Speaker 11: it sets out certain factors that they can refuse the

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Speaker 11: request for. And you know, for a lot of businesses,

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01:42:43,492 --> 01:42:45,772
Speaker 11: it doesn't make sense to people for people to work

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Speaker 11: from home. You know, it's great not having someone looking

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01:42:51,053 --> 01:42:53,933
Speaker 11: over your shoulder and you can work in your pjs

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Speaker 11: and all of that sort of stuff, but does it

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01:42:56,652 --> 01:42:59,133
Speaker 11: actually work for the business or the organization.

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Speaker 3: As my boss when I was working in London on

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Speaker 3: July seventh, two thousand and five, during the terrorist attacks,

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Speaker 3: my boss from Birmingham said, I rang up and he

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Speaker 3: said get into work. You're coward.

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Speaker 2: It was a tough man, wasn't he He was sounds really sensitive. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good operator, good operator.

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Speaker 3: But one of the tubes exploded. Get in your coward.

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Speaker 2: That's how you run a business. Yeah. Right, And just.

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Speaker 3: Before we got into other questions, what should you do

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Speaker 3: if you suspect your co worker as a KGB agent?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, I'm surprised you guys were talking about

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Speaker 11: potent selling shoes, but no one mentioned L Bundy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: How can you talk about selling shoes and not talk

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Speaker 11: about L Bundy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll do better. Gareth will do better. Right, he is

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Speaker 2: standing by taking your calls. O. Eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty and nine to ninety two is the text.

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Speaker 2: Get a Kim. Hi, he you doing very good? Gareth

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Speaker 2: is standing by.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, great, Hi Gareth. I'm in the pro Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 23: in the process at the moment of being maybe made redundant.

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Speaker 23: Now in my contract, there's no notice period of how

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Speaker 23: much notice they have to give me. Yes, if I leave,

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Speaker 23: I have to give four weeks notice. Would that be

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Speaker 23: the same for them for the redundancy.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Kim, It's pretty unusual for their only to be

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01:44:19,532 --> 01:44:23,133
Speaker 11: a notice period for one of the parties to the agreement.

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Speaker 11: If there's no notice period specified, if you're made redundant,

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Speaker 11: then the law says that you need to be provided

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01:44:32,893 --> 01:44:36,572
Speaker 11: reasonable notice, and I think you've got a really strong

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01:44:36,692 --> 01:44:40,692
Speaker 11: argument that that would be the period that's put in

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01:44:40,732 --> 01:44:44,732
Speaker 11: there for you if you resign. So that's where i'd

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Speaker 11: be starting.

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Speaker 23: So it would be four weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 11: But you can always ask for more and then they

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Speaker 11: have to justify it because they have to give you

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Speaker 11: reasonable notice. It does sound like the employment agreement is

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01:45:00,652 --> 01:45:02,333
Speaker 11: perhaps not as good as it should be.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, because I did approach it with it and they

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01:45:05,652 --> 01:45:09,052
Speaker 23: said no, that it wouldn't be four weeks, probably about

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01:45:09,093 --> 01:45:12,173
Speaker 23: two weeks, and they sort of said, oh, it's something

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Speaker 23: to do with government legislation or something.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, sounds a bit fishy. I'd push back on that.

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Speaker 23: Right, Okay, it's good to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck, Yeah, good luckim. Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for your phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

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01:45:26,253 --> 01:45:27,812
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call if you've got a

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01:45:27,853 --> 01:45:31,173
Speaker 2: question for Gareth? Now is your opportunity some texts coming

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Speaker 2: through on nine two ninety two.

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Speaker 3: Kay, guys, quick question. Am I considered a full time

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01:45:35,253 --> 01:45:37,852
Speaker 3: employee if I am a contractor to a company, but

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01:45:38,013 --> 01:45:40,652
Speaker 3: in the contract I'm not allowed to work for any

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01:45:40,732 --> 01:45:43,692
Speaker 3: other company or any other work. Doesn't seem right, but

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Speaker 3: they say that's how they do business. Thanks for your info. PS,

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Speaker 3: butter bullets are great skates shoes. Okay, so we'll go

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Speaker 3: with the first question.

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Speaker 11: Coming on the skates shoe aspect of it. But no,

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01:45:57,732 --> 01:46:00,533
Speaker 11: you're not a full time employee. If you're a contractor.

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01:46:01,333 --> 01:46:04,372
Speaker 11: If you're a contractor, you're a contractor. I guess the

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01:46:04,412 --> 01:46:08,812
Speaker 11: real question is are you actually a contractor? Now there

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01:46:08,893 --> 01:46:13,213
Speaker 11: is new legislation out which has a test that you

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01:46:13,253 --> 01:46:17,133
Speaker 11: can look at, but this is a bit of a

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01:46:17,253 --> 01:46:19,973
Speaker 11: vexed question and it's gone through the courts time and

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01:46:20,053 --> 01:46:25,733
Speaker 11: time again. If you are prevented from working for competitors

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01:46:25,973 --> 01:46:29,852
Speaker 11: and you can't do any other work, I think you

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01:46:29,893 --> 01:46:33,492
Speaker 11: should be asking more questions because you might actually be

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Speaker 11: an employee. But it's not a straightforward one. The real

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01:46:39,893 --> 01:46:43,012
Speaker 11: question is are you in business on your own account?

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01:46:43,093 --> 01:46:47,852
Speaker 11: And if you're charging GST and claiming deductions and stuff

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01:46:47,893 --> 01:46:53,133
Speaker 11: like that, and then you argue you're an employee, you

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01:46:53,173 --> 01:46:55,852
Speaker 11: may actually need to pay some money back. So not

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01:46:55,973 --> 01:46:59,812
Speaker 11: straightforward something that I would definitely be getting proper advice on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. I keep those things coming through on

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01:47:02,692 --> 01:47:05,492
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two and your call is as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back very shortly.

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Speaker 10: It is.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on took back Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons with Skoda place Scoter codes every day at

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01:47:16,812 --> 01:47:19,973
Speaker 1: scoder dot co dot NZA. Have your say on eight

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01:47:20,093 --> 01:47:22,173
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty news dogs B.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen to form. We're joined by Gareth Abdenor,

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Speaker 2: an employment, workplace and information expert and director of Abdenor

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Speaker 2: Employment Law, taking your questions and anything going on in

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Speaker 2: your workplace.

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Speaker 3: Eleanor Eleanor Abdnor.

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01:47:35,853 --> 01:47:39,333
Speaker 12: Hello, I'm calling on behalf of somebody else.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:47:41,093 --> 01:47:44,173
Speaker 12: This person has finished their job with a company or NGO.

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01:47:45,093 --> 01:47:48,692
Speaker 12: They've noticed that there's a discrepancy in their pay and

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01:47:48,853 --> 01:47:50,492
Speaker 12: they've bought it up with their boss and said to

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01:47:50,532 --> 01:47:54,053
Speaker 12: the boss this my holiday pay is not correct. The

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01:47:54,093 --> 01:47:56,852
Speaker 12: boss said, I'll look into it. This was in December

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01:47:56,933 --> 01:48:00,852
Speaker 12: last year. Now fast forward. He still hasn't heard back

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01:48:00,853 --> 01:48:04,493
Speaker 12: from her, so he went to an accountant. The accountant

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01:48:04,572 --> 01:48:06,892
Speaker 12: looked at the numbers and said, yes, it's about two

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Speaker 12: thousand dollars Owing to you. The accountant emailed the boss.

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Speaker 12: The boss emailed back and he said, no, it's incorrect.

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Speaker 12: You need to pay my clients this much money. And

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01:48:18,093 --> 01:48:20,692
Speaker 12: it's been three months now and he still hasn't been

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01:48:20,732 --> 01:48:21,173
Speaker 12: paid out.

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Speaker 6: What is the next step.

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Speaker 11: I suggest that your friend Lodge's acclaim with the Employment

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01:48:29,333 --> 01:48:36,532
Speaker 11: Relations Authority for I'm paid wages. That tends to get

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01:48:36,572 --> 01:48:40,933
Speaker 11: a response quite quickly from the other side. Sounds like

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01:48:41,013 --> 01:48:42,892
Speaker 11: they've tried to do it the nice way and it

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01:48:42,933 --> 01:48:47,892
Speaker 11: hasn't been a priority lodge a claim. I think the

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01:48:47,933 --> 01:48:52,492
Speaker 11: filing fees about seventy two dollars. Sounds like it's well

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01:48:52,532 --> 01:48:57,933
Speaker 11: worth going to that expense to actually actually get a response.

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01:48:59,293 --> 01:49:02,133
Speaker 12: And what if there's been multiple other people experienced this

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01:49:02,293 --> 01:49:03,532
Speaker 12: as well, because it's not just.

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Speaker 11: Your friend, could potentially contact the Labor Inspectorate and a

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01:49:10,412 --> 01:49:14,133
Speaker 11: labor inspector might get involved if it's affecting more than

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01:49:14,173 --> 01:49:18,172
Speaker 11: one person. It can be a bit difficult to predict

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01:49:18,492 --> 01:49:21,692
Speaker 11: whether they are prepared to take it on or not,

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Speaker 11: but that's worth a try.

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Speaker 2: All the very best, Eleanor, thank you very much for

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01:49:26,973 --> 01:49:29,173
Speaker 2: giving us a call. Prisana, how are you?

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Speaker 23: Oh?

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01:49:30,933 --> 01:49:31,412
Speaker 10: Hi good?

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01:49:31,452 --> 01:49:31,812
Speaker 8: Thank you?

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01:49:33,213 --> 01:49:33,412
Speaker 10: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Like we are eight of you employers, and we have

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01:49:40,412 --> 01:49:44,692
Speaker 8: hired a couple of employees and one of the aid

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01:49:44,732 --> 01:49:49,892
Speaker 8: of the employees contracts is he should be given at

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Speaker 8: least thirty hours a week. And he has worked with

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Speaker 8: he's with us like more than one hundred weeks now

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01:49:58,293 --> 01:50:02,452
Speaker 8: almost like two years, and some of the weeks he

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Speaker 8: has worked less than thirty hours. That's what he so

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01:50:05,572 --> 01:50:10,813
Speaker 8: recently when we looked into his profile. So the immigration

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01:50:10,893 --> 01:50:13,612
Speaker 8: has also picked up on that. But on an average

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Speaker 8: he has worked thirty four or more than thirty four

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Speaker 8: hours for a week or a two year speriod. So

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Speaker 8: are we actually in breach a contract?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it really depends on what exactly is in the contract.

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01:50:29,053 --> 01:50:31,972
Speaker 11: If it sees an employee will be given at least

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Speaker 11: thirty hours a week and they haven't been given that,

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01:50:36,213 --> 01:50:39,412
Speaker 11: then you might owe them money. But you have to

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01:50:39,452 --> 01:50:43,812
Speaker 11: look at exactly what the clause sees. It may be

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01:50:44,173 --> 01:50:48,133
Speaker 11: that an average is fine, but certainly not something that

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01:50:48,173 --> 01:50:53,412
Speaker 11: I can comment on without actually seeing the documents. It

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01:50:53,492 --> 01:51:00,732
Speaker 11: does sometimes happen that people take the approach that well,

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01:51:00,772 --> 01:51:04,053
Speaker 11: it averages out and that's fear. But if that's not

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01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:06,892
Speaker 11: what the contract is, well, then the employee might have

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01:51:06,933 --> 01:51:11,372
Speaker 11: a claim to wages. I suggest that you carefully look

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01:51:11,372 --> 01:51:17,013
Speaker 11: at the contract and then if necessary, get some advice.

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Speaker 2: Or the very best persona. Thank you very much for

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01:51:18,933 --> 01:51:21,253
Speaker 2: your question, Cindy. Gareth is standing by.

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Speaker 17: Hello.

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Speaker 24: I just wanted to know if I'm doing the right

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01:51:25,093 --> 01:51:28,612
Speaker 24: thing at that end the day. So I normally have

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Speaker 24: two staff members that work on the Saturday. We were

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Speaker 24: going to close for the whole day on the Saturday

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Speaker 24: for ends that day. They also normally work on the Monday,

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Speaker 24: so they would just go to work and be paid

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Speaker 24: as normal on the Monday.

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Speaker 11: Gosh, I'm not sure I follow there. If the if

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Speaker 11: ANZAC day is a day that they normally work and

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01:51:52,293 --> 01:51:56,892
Speaker 11: you're closing, well then you need to pay them. I

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01:51:56,973 --> 01:51:59,333
Speaker 11: don't know about the Monday. What I always say to

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Speaker 11: people with public holidays is you really need to sit

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01:52:02,572 --> 01:52:05,013
Speaker 11: down and plot it out. And the best place to

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01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:12,333
Speaker 11: look is the employment dot g dot z website. That's

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01:52:12,372 --> 01:52:15,692
Speaker 11: really useful because it actually sets out examples, and so

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01:52:16,652 --> 01:52:18,892
Speaker 11: I suggest to have a look at that, and I'm

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Speaker 11: pretty sure that we'll have the answer for you.

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Speaker 2: Very good, Cindy. All the very best with that one.

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01:52:24,093 --> 01:52:26,253
Speaker 2: They stuck in a bit of a holiday pay one

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01:52:26,253 --> 01:52:32,253
Speaker 2: there for you Gareth exactly. Hey, always fantastic to have

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01:52:32,293 --> 01:52:34,932
Speaker 2: you on. Thank you very much again. Go well down

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01:52:34,973 --> 01:52:36,612
Speaker 2: then we'll catch up in about a month's time.

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Speaker 11: Thanks guys. Have a good Easter.

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01:52:38,572 --> 01:52:41,692
Speaker 2: Yeah you too. That is Gareth Abdenor Employment Workplace, an

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01:52:41,692 --> 01:52:45,492
Speaker 2: information expert and director of Abdenor Employment Law. He is brilliant.

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01:52:45,652 --> 01:52:47,053
Speaker 2: If you want to get a hold of him, just

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01:52:47,093 --> 01:52:50,053
Speaker 2: go to his website Abdoenorlaw dot in Z. And I've

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01:52:50,053 --> 01:52:52,172
Speaker 2: got to read this out. The content of this segment

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01:52:52,532 --> 01:52:55,013
Speaker 2: is general in nature and is not legal advice. Any

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01:52:55,013 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 2: information discussed is not intended to be a substitute for

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01:52:58,253 --> 01:53:02,372
Speaker 2: obtaining specific professional advice, and shouldn't be relied upon as such.

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01:53:02,452 --> 01:53:03,812
Speaker 2: Beg fory shortly. It is eight to.

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Speaker 1: Four, the big stories, the big issues, the big trends

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01:53:08,412 --> 01:53:12,133
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

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01:53:12,412 --> 01:53:13,173
Speaker 1: used Talks B.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is six to four and all

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01:53:16,933 --> 01:53:19,293
Speaker 2: the people who text through and we didn't get to

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01:53:19,333 --> 01:53:21,612
Speaker 2: your question. Next time Gareth is in, we will get

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01:53:22,293 --> 01:53:24,372
Speaker 2: we will put that to him. But we did say

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Speaker 2: you've got to get in early. It's very popular. People

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01:53:26,853 --> 01:53:27,772
Speaker 2: wait till the last minute.

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Speaker 1: Never do that.

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Speaker 3: It's hugely popular. It is personally, I'm completely and utterly

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Speaker 3: down a rabbit hole on Vladimir Putin. I can see

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Speaker 3: you googling there I working at a barter of bullets

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Speaker 3: in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating.

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Speaker 3: It's a sleeper spy. Yeah ah, but that brings us

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Speaker 3: to the end of the show. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for listening. The Great and Powerful hitherto to see Ellen

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Speaker 3: is up next, and she's talking to Karen McNulty, the

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Speaker 3: labor MP whose new bill means you might be able

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Speaker 3: to get a beer at the pub this Easter without

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Speaker 3: any strings attached. But right now, Tyler, why am I

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Speaker 3: playing this tune.

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Speaker 2: Called Pumped Up Cats? Great song? I don't actually know

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Speaker 2: who sings it.

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Speaker 3: Foster the People.

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Speaker 2: Foster the People surely is because we had a great

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Speaker 2: chat about barter bullets, Nomad's crops in general.

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Speaker 3: Because all birds were cats that got pumped up to

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Speaker 3: a seven billion dollar evaluation.

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Speaker 2: Very good.

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Speaker 3: They were pumped up cats. Although to be fair, this

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Speaker 3: song is actually about a school shooting. Okay, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: all right then, as.

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Speaker 2: I said, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: You've seen busy. We'll let you go. We'll be back

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Speaker 3: again live tomorrow from lunchtime. Until then, give me a

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Speaker 3: taste of Kiwi from us why Don't Chat?

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Speaker 2: Love You?

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01:54:41,013 --> 01:54:41,812
Speaker 3: Great song.

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Speaker 18: Guess with them Getting round

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