1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,507 Speaker 1: from Newstalk s ed b Let's. 3 00:00:13,307 --> 00:00:20,347 Speaker 2: Bring in South African Rugby Royalty skin stud stone him 4 00:00:20,347 --> 00:00:25,027 Speaker 2: off hands off gold so for the third time now, 5 00:00:25,067 --> 00:00:27,507 Speaker 2: so i'd aft you could come up the skin stuts. 6 00:00:27,827 --> 00:00:31,227 Speaker 1: Skin Start drew up, you have Buddy and Bobby skin 7 00:00:31,307 --> 00:00:32,867 Speaker 1: start with a big dive. 8 00:00:33,427 --> 00:00:35,147 Speaker 3: Believe me, he has enjoyed that. 9 00:00:36,987 --> 00:00:40,067 Speaker 2: Bobby Skinstead forty two test matches for the spring Box, 10 00:00:40,107 --> 00:00:43,427 Speaker 2: twelve of those as captain, scoring eleven tries. He attended 11 00:00:43,427 --> 00:00:45,947 Speaker 2: three World Cups. He's in New Zealand for this one 12 00:00:45,947 --> 00:00:48,147 Speaker 2: and he joins us on the phone. Bob great to 13 00:00:48,147 --> 00:00:50,147 Speaker 2: get the chance to chat. How much would it mean 14 00:00:50,827 --> 00:00:53,547 Speaker 2: for South Africa to be the first side to beat 15 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:56,987 Speaker 2: the All Blacks at Eden Park since nineteen ninety four? 16 00:00:58,627 --> 00:01:00,667 Speaker 3: Oh man, it would mean everything. 17 00:01:00,707 --> 00:01:03,307 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a fantastic goal for the players. 18 00:01:03,787 --> 00:01:06,907 Speaker 4: It's proven to be so difficult that that you know, 19 00:01:06,987 --> 00:01:08,747 Speaker 4: nobody's been able to do it for that long. But 20 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:11,347 Speaker 4: you know, tonight is one of those one of those 21 00:01:11,347 --> 00:01:13,547 Speaker 4: matches that I think that they'll they'll hang their hats 22 00:01:13,547 --> 00:01:15,147 Speaker 4: on the fact that you know they've they've got an 23 00:01:15,147 --> 00:01:17,747 Speaker 4: outside chance, and and they'll give everything. I think it's 24 00:01:17,787 --> 00:01:19,347 Speaker 4: a it's a fantastic opportunity. 25 00:01:19,467 --> 00:01:21,627 Speaker 2: Do you think it's just an outside chance, Bob? Or 26 00:01:21,667 --> 00:01:23,787 Speaker 2: is this is this a coin flip? I feel as 27 00:01:23,787 --> 00:01:27,067 Speaker 2: though there's very little between these two teams. 28 00:01:27,507 --> 00:01:29,627 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there is very little between these the 29 00:01:29,627 --> 00:01:31,347 Speaker 4: two teams. I think you're right, you know, But but 30 00:01:31,427 --> 00:01:34,307 Speaker 4: it's going to come down to who turns up this evening. 31 00:01:34,347 --> 00:01:37,387 Speaker 4: You know, on the on the sort of on the 32 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:41,587 Speaker 4: balance of probability. You know that the Abs have have 33 00:01:41,707 --> 00:01:45,707 Speaker 4: been more successful here at home and and therefore, you know, 34 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:47,827 Speaker 4: have a fortress that they can. 35 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:48,507 Speaker 3: Defend, et cetera. 36 00:01:48,547 --> 00:01:51,747 Speaker 4: But then the spring Box have done some amazing things, 37 00:01:51,787 --> 00:01:54,867 Speaker 4: some crazy and brave things over the last sort of 38 00:01:55,667 --> 00:01:58,747 Speaker 4: six year period, seven year period, and and they've achieved 39 00:01:58,787 --> 00:02:00,787 Speaker 4: all over the world. So I'm I'm I'm confident that 40 00:02:00,827 --> 00:02:03,107 Speaker 4: they'll give it a real red hot go and and 41 00:02:03,147 --> 00:02:05,387 Speaker 4: I think they'll be. They'll be in this game. But 42 00:02:05,827 --> 00:02:07,587 Speaker 4: it's still a very difficult thing to do. 43 00:02:07,667 --> 00:02:09,147 Speaker 3: You know. I can't I can't. I can't get out 44 00:02:09,187 --> 00:02:10,987 Speaker 3: of that that part of it. I can't get out 45 00:02:11,027 --> 00:02:11,467 Speaker 3: of my mind. 46 00:02:11,667 --> 00:02:14,307 Speaker 2: We all know the South African rugby d NA, the 47 00:02:14,307 --> 00:02:18,107 Speaker 2: physicality in the and the you know, just the the 48 00:02:18,147 --> 00:02:22,267 Speaker 2: big men running into battle. You know, time after time 49 00:02:22,307 --> 00:02:24,827 Speaker 2: we know what South African rugby looks like. Is that 50 00:02:25,067 --> 00:02:28,387 Speaker 2: what you expect tonight that they will play that way 51 00:02:28,547 --> 00:02:29,227 Speaker 2: South Africa? 52 00:02:29,827 --> 00:02:33,067 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll be very physical. I think, you know, 53 00:02:33,347 --> 00:02:35,467 Speaker 4: I've got to say just looking at the at the 54 00:02:35,827 --> 00:02:40,507 Speaker 4: teams that the Abs have got a very physical bench 55 00:02:40,547 --> 00:02:42,587 Speaker 4: coming on as well. You know, they've got a physical bench, 56 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:45,827 Speaker 4: physical pack starting and then a physical bench coming on 57 00:02:45,907 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 4: as well. So so you know, maybe they've they've taken 58 00:02:48,987 --> 00:02:51,107 Speaker 4: a leaf out of Russy's book and said we'll do 59 00:02:51,147 --> 00:02:55,027 Speaker 4: our own little bomb squad version of But I think 60 00:02:55,067 --> 00:02:56,987 Speaker 4: South Africa have got some nice physicality. 61 00:02:58,187 --> 00:02:59,307 Speaker 3: I think they might look at the. 62 00:02:59,267 --> 00:03:02,867 Speaker 4: Stats in in in in this game and at Eden 63 00:03:02,947 --> 00:03:05,427 Speaker 4: Park and they might say, look, you know, to be 64 00:03:05,547 --> 00:03:07,267 Speaker 4: in this we need to play a lot of rugby 65 00:03:07,347 --> 00:03:11,467 Speaker 4: in New Zealand's territory. So we need to we need 66 00:03:11,507 --> 00:03:13,627 Speaker 4: to keep them there because we don't want them attacking, 67 00:03:14,347 --> 00:03:17,907 Speaker 4: you know, us relentlessly when making mistakes in our own half. 68 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:19,907 Speaker 4: So I think we'll probably see quite a mature game 69 00:03:19,907 --> 00:03:21,747 Speaker 4: from the spring box I would, I would imagine, and 70 00:03:21,787 --> 00:03:24,707 Speaker 4: then you know that they've got some big men who 71 00:03:24,787 --> 00:03:26,827 Speaker 4: stand up in the big games. And you know, I'm 72 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:29,907 Speaker 4: thinking of the Damian Delendi's and Chess and Colby's and 73 00:03:30,107 --> 00:03:33,187 Speaker 4: Andre Pollard's, you know, I mean, these are guys who've 74 00:03:33,227 --> 00:03:35,627 Speaker 4: who've done it wherever they've needed. 75 00:03:35,387 --> 00:03:36,267 Speaker 3: To, all over the world. 76 00:03:36,387 --> 00:03:39,507 Speaker 4: So it's a it's a great opportunity for them to shine. 77 00:03:39,227 --> 00:03:42,027 Speaker 2: As has see Calisi of course, and we didn't know 78 00:03:42,067 --> 00:03:44,627 Speaker 2: whether he was coming, let alone be available to play. 79 00:03:44,707 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 2: He's here, He's starting at number eight tonight. How big 80 00:03:47,187 --> 00:03:47,787 Speaker 2: a boost is that. 81 00:03:48,547 --> 00:03:49,587 Speaker 3: I think it's a great boost. 82 00:03:49,627 --> 00:03:51,627 Speaker 4: I mean, here is probably one of the most effective 83 00:03:52,107 --> 00:03:54,267 Speaker 4: loose forwards we've seen in the in the game. You know, 84 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:57,427 Speaker 4: he's up against a very good counter to that, in 85 00:03:57,707 --> 00:04:02,187 Speaker 4: addis Severe and and you know the whole loose forward 86 00:04:02,787 --> 00:04:05,507 Speaker 4: trio from from New Zealand are good. But you know, 87 00:04:05,547 --> 00:04:09,947 Speaker 4: we're sears. He has got a fantastic advantage. He's a 88 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:13,627 Speaker 4: he's a very giving player. You know, he does a 89 00:04:13,627 --> 00:04:16,507 Speaker 4: lot of assist tackles, he does a lot of assist carries, 90 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:19,307 Speaker 4: he does a lot of snaffling in the ball, looking 91 00:04:19,347 --> 00:04:20,307 Speaker 4: after the rock area. 92 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:23,467 Speaker 3: He's a very he's a very clean sort. 93 00:04:23,227 --> 00:04:26,427 Speaker 4: Of proponent if he will, of the breakdown area, and 94 00:04:26,467 --> 00:04:28,347 Speaker 4: that's going to be super important tonight. 95 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:29,667 Speaker 3: So I'm delighted he's back. 96 00:04:29,707 --> 00:04:33,107 Speaker 4: I've heard a little story on the side that he said, listen, 97 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:34,907 Speaker 4: he wants to concentrate on his game. He wants to 98 00:04:34,907 --> 00:04:37,587 Speaker 4: put in the effort, so the burden of captaincy, he 99 00:04:37,587 --> 00:04:39,747 Speaker 4: doesn't want to change any of that, and just an 100 00:04:39,787 --> 00:04:43,667 Speaker 4: amazing sort of show of servant leadership. He just wants 101 00:04:43,707 --> 00:04:45,667 Speaker 4: to get in and do his job. And that's that's 102 00:04:45,747 --> 00:04:49,027 Speaker 4: just amazing and it really is, you know, indicative of 103 00:04:49,067 --> 00:04:49,827 Speaker 4: the measure of the man. 104 00:04:49,987 --> 00:04:52,587 Speaker 2: Indeed, so the captain's armband goes to Jesse Kleel. We 105 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:55,467 Speaker 2: all know his quality. What kind of leader will he be? 106 00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:55,787 Speaker 3: Though? 107 00:04:56,707 --> 00:05:00,107 Speaker 4: I think he's a he's you know, he leads with integrity, 108 00:05:00,187 --> 00:05:02,427 Speaker 4: he does the hard work, he doesn't shy away from anything. 109 00:05:02,467 --> 00:05:04,467 Speaker 4: I mean, you've seen how he's built and how he 110 00:05:04,507 --> 00:05:07,147 Speaker 4: can deliver on the on the field. I think Jesse 111 00:05:07,267 --> 00:05:11,187 Speaker 4: will rarely concentrate on making sure that the big decisions 112 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:14,507 Speaker 4: are made well. So, you know, tactically, where are we 113 00:05:14,547 --> 00:05:15,307 Speaker 4: playing this game? 114 00:05:15,467 --> 00:05:15,907 Speaker 3: Tactically? 115 00:05:15,947 --> 00:05:18,467 Speaker 4: We've seen the Springbox have got an outside end defense, 116 00:05:18,507 --> 00:05:21,987 Speaker 4: a rush defense, a very chaotic defense that doesn't work 117 00:05:21,987 --> 00:05:23,667 Speaker 4: when you're on your own twenty two, but it does 118 00:05:23,747 --> 00:05:25,587 Speaker 4: work when you're in the oppositions twenty two. So I 119 00:05:25,627 --> 00:05:27,307 Speaker 4: think they'll want to try and play the rugby there, 120 00:05:27,347 --> 00:05:29,827 Speaker 4: and Jesse knows he's as the leader, he's got to 121 00:05:29,867 --> 00:05:31,907 Speaker 4: try and keep the team in that red zone and 122 00:05:31,947 --> 00:05:32,827 Speaker 4: in that territory. 123 00:05:33,147 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 2: Bob, as someone who's played a lot of big rugby matches, 124 00:05:36,227 --> 00:05:39,587 Speaker 2: what is the best strategy for not letting the game 125 00:05:39,747 --> 00:05:41,547 Speaker 2: and the occasion get the better of you? 126 00:05:42,907 --> 00:05:45,347 Speaker 4: I think, I mean, what a great question, because you know, 127 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:51,067 Speaker 4: everybody's got their own different routines, different background, different experiences, etc. 128 00:05:51,347 --> 00:05:52,107 Speaker 3: I think you'll see. 129 00:05:52,547 --> 00:05:54,627 Speaker 4: The one thing I do love about the Springbok team 130 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:57,507 Speaker 4: is that they're so deeply passionate about what they mean 131 00:05:57,547 --> 00:06:00,667 Speaker 4: to the country and what they mean to people back home, 132 00:06:00,747 --> 00:06:03,627 Speaker 4: that they'll take it so seriously that they'll make sure 133 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,467 Speaker 4: they prepared in all the right ways. 134 00:06:05,587 --> 00:06:07,627 Speaker 3: And that's going to be different things for different people. 135 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:07,867 Speaker 3: You know. 136 00:06:08,147 --> 00:06:10,027 Speaker 4: I often go in early in the test matches and 137 00:06:10,067 --> 00:06:13,067 Speaker 4: you watch the different pockets of guys preparing. Some guys 138 00:06:13,067 --> 00:06:16,107 Speaker 4: are off stretching very early. Some guys are just taking 139 00:06:16,107 --> 00:06:21,427 Speaker 4: in the stadium, you know, the sort of emotional cues 140 00:06:21,507 --> 00:06:24,667 Speaker 4: and markers from the fans and the people out there. 141 00:06:24,707 --> 00:06:28,227 Speaker 4: And then some people are giving the old silent treatment 142 00:06:28,307 --> 00:06:30,747 Speaker 4: and just walking around in their own thoughts. So I 143 00:06:30,747 --> 00:06:33,667 Speaker 4: think they'll all find their best way to prepare and 144 00:06:33,707 --> 00:06:39,627 Speaker 4: then bring a great physical and emotional charge to the 145 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 4: battle tonight. 146 00:06:40,507 --> 00:06:43,547 Speaker 2: All right, to finish, then, what type of test are 147 00:06:43,587 --> 00:06:45,787 Speaker 2: you expecting? Are you looking at a is it a 148 00:06:45,787 --> 00:06:47,747 Speaker 2: twelve or eleven again that sort of thing. I don't think 149 00:06:47,787 --> 00:06:50,627 Speaker 2: this is a blowout. Is it a type test match 150 00:06:50,907 --> 00:06:52,627 Speaker 2: decided on moments? 151 00:06:53,627 --> 00:06:55,747 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be decided on moments. Yeah, 152 00:06:55,747 --> 00:06:56,147 Speaker 3: you're right. 153 00:06:56,187 --> 00:06:58,667 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm hoping that we don't see too much 154 00:06:59,387 --> 00:07:02,227 Speaker 4: TMO and outside in influence. I'm hoping we see two 155 00:07:02,707 --> 00:07:05,787 Speaker 4: teams that play with fifteen men, you know, for the 156 00:07:05,827 --> 00:07:10,907 Speaker 4: whole contest, and it's just a chance to see them 157 00:07:10,907 --> 00:07:14,547 Speaker 4: test themselves physically, which which will will probably mean that 158 00:07:14,627 --> 00:07:17,347 Speaker 4: the measure of this will be a very tight you know, 159 00:07:17,707 --> 00:07:20,227 Speaker 4: who's who's the who's the first person. 160 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:20,867 Speaker 3: To make a mistake? 161 00:07:20,947 --> 00:07:23,707 Speaker 4: Tough thing, and and that's a pressure cooker environment, so 162 00:07:24,107 --> 00:07:25,507 Speaker 4: it should be a fantastic match. 163 00:07:25,547 --> 00:07:27,827 Speaker 2: I'm always love welcoming you to New Zealand and having 164 00:07:27,827 --> 00:07:29,227 Speaker 2: you on the radio with us POP. Thanks so much, 165 00:07:29,227 --> 00:07:30,587 Speaker 2: mad enjoy the game tonight. 166 00:07:30,907 --> 00:07:31,627 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 167 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:33,067 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it and I can I just 168 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:35,227 Speaker 4: say that the sentiment and the people of New Zealand 169 00:07:35,267 --> 00:07:38,587 Speaker 4: have been wonderful hosts and deeply grateful to everybody who's 170 00:07:38,707 --> 00:07:40,347 Speaker 4: who's made us so welcome in your country. 171 00:07:40,347 --> 00:07:42,027 Speaker 3: Thanks Funny, Great to chat now. 172 00:07:42,067 --> 00:07:43,987 Speaker 2: Great to chat to you too, Bob the Great Bob 173 00:07:44,067 --> 00:07:47,267 Speaker 2: Skinstead joining us ahead of an epic test match tonight. 174 00:07:47,867 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 175 00:07:51,147 --> 00:07:54,467 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 176 00:07:54,507 --> 00:07:56,107 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.