WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 122: Did England make enough changes for the Lord's Test? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:21.093 iHeart Radio. 0:00:21.293 --> 0:00:22.853 Take it. 0:00:23.373 --> 0:00:24.053 It's a trick. 0:00:24.653 --> 0:00:25.213 It is out. 0:00:25.533 --> 0:00:31.653 The Test is Overn't. 0:00:28.973 --> 0:00:33.093 Smoke bears, it is out and here you gous. This 0:00:33.173 --> 0:00:35.053 delivery has un used to go. 0:00:37.693 --> 0:00:41.093 On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:41.413 --> 0:00:45.293 powered by News Talks Dead b at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.053 --> 0:00:47.893 Oh we're back on the. 0:00:47.813 --> 0:00:51.213 Front foot this week reflecting on what England won at 0:00:51.293 --> 0:00:55.173 edgemusson yeap, the cost they wish they hadn't after that 0:00:55.333 --> 0:00:58.933 it was all India seemingly a mind of surprise and 0:00:59.013 --> 0:01:02.813 the Black Cats squad for Zimbabwe. Remember this goes back 0:01:03.013 --> 0:01:06.373 thirty five years this week for the last fall in 0:01:06.493 --> 0:01:08.293 testns cricket for one of the greats. 0:01:09.133 --> 0:01:09.933 But it's what's. 0:01:09.773 --> 0:01:12.813 Going on at the moment that keeps our interest. The 0:01:12.853 --> 0:01:16.253 Test series in England heard coming up pretty quick, no 0:01:16.493 --> 0:01:19.293 time between those Test matters, and of course he's head 0:01:19.333 --> 0:01:23.893 and heading off to the African continent to play Zimbarbwe 0:01:23.893 --> 0:01:27.693 and South Africa. Jeremy Coney living the high life in 0:01:27.733 --> 0:01:30.813 the heart of the United Kingdom, socializing with all the 0:01:30.853 --> 0:01:34.253 movers and shakers and really to front up to Lords 0:01:34.533 --> 0:01:38.173 with his best clobber on Jerry, how are you going. 0:01:40.773 --> 0:01:45.573 Hello, Wads? And that's that's really not what's happening at all. 0:01:46.213 --> 0:01:49.413 I don't really have a clover. Well I do, but 0:01:49.613 --> 0:01:54.093 not the kind you're actually meaning in that sentence. Yeah, 0:01:54.133 --> 0:01:57.653 I am going. I'm heading off tomorrow to Lords for 0:01:57.733 --> 0:02:02.133 this the third Test of what's proving to be an 0:02:02.133 --> 0:02:07.653 interesting kind of series. Really, bowlers aren't enjoying it much, 0:02:08.093 --> 0:02:14.733 but it's mana pictures are interesting and there's a bit 0:02:14.733 --> 0:02:16.933 of ye know, it's quite a following that. The crowds 0:02:16.933 --> 0:02:19.573 are good. We've had two five day tests, so there 0:02:19.573 --> 0:02:22.013 we are. Let's hope we can do that again. 0:02:22.533 --> 0:02:24.933 Yeah. I got your old mate Moose with us as well. 0:02:25.253 --> 0:02:28.973 Head lunch with them last week and we discussed talking 0:02:29.133 --> 0:02:31.973 cricket this week Moose, Peter Holland, good to have you 0:02:32.053 --> 0:02:35.293 back again with us. And you've been following the Test 0:02:35.293 --> 0:02:38.333 match closely, of course, and I just wonder whether winning 0:02:38.333 --> 0:02:40.573 the toss is not a good thing for England at 0:02:40.613 --> 0:02:42.573 the moment. It seems to be putting them into danger. 0:02:42.853 --> 0:02:49.653 Yeah, yes, indeed, in Hello Brian and Jerry, it's interesting 0:02:49.813 --> 0:02:54.653 because the English team seems to try to be perverse 0:02:55.453 --> 0:02:57.373 if it was, if it was the orthodoxy, want to 0:02:57.413 --> 0:03:00.813 do all times different and so therefore, you know, we 0:03:00.973 --> 0:03:03.413 bat when we should actually, well we should bowl. Win 0:03:03.533 --> 0:03:06.533 your bat and you just got your head. Hey, it 0:03:06.653 --> 0:03:10.613 worked on the first Test and and and by the way, 0:03:11.693 --> 0:03:14.373 they have actually done a great thing for Test cricket 0:03:14.653 --> 0:03:17.053 because we're all watching and that has to be a 0:03:17.053 --> 0:03:21.013 good thing. But my lord, it did seem to backfire 0:03:21.493 --> 0:03:24.573 on pretty flat decks. Now, Jerry, you may have a 0:03:24.573 --> 0:03:26.093 been of you you or that, because we don't have 0:03:26.133 --> 0:03:28.813 a lot of sight of this over the side of 0:03:28.813 --> 0:03:29.253 the world. 0:03:29.653 --> 0:03:34.133 Yeah, it's it's an interesting one, isn't it. Clearly the 0:03:34.213 --> 0:03:36.733 toss in the end, as you look back, was very 0:03:36.773 --> 0:03:40.933 important in the second Test match, very similar pitch. You 0:03:41.013 --> 0:03:45.813 talk about that conditions always sort of drive games of cricket, 0:03:45.853 --> 0:03:48.693 don't they, and the whole structure of the way that 0:03:48.773 --> 0:03:52.173 they play the game. Here Stokes plans, you know, to 0:03:52.213 --> 0:03:55.973 win the first Tests, and you know, and it came through. 0:03:57.973 --> 0:04:02.253 And but this time he did exactly the same and 0:04:02.293 --> 0:04:05.093 we got an entirely different results. This time. Of course, 0:04:05.173 --> 0:04:11.053 India and the second Test didn't collapse in either innings, 0:04:11.733 --> 0:04:15.053 and this time the pitch started to do a few 0:04:15.333 --> 0:04:19.373 things on the last day of the game, as it should, 0:04:20.253 --> 0:04:25.413 and England lost convincingly. In between, I've also been doing 0:04:25.453 --> 0:04:28.733 a little bit of work in Surrey and they're similar 0:04:28.773 --> 0:04:33.373 pictures as well. The pitches over here do not have 0:04:33.413 --> 0:04:35.893 what I call entropy, as I was saying to Wad's 0:04:35.973 --> 0:04:39.853 last week, they do not deteriorate. They just stay the 0:04:39.893 --> 0:04:43.093 same way and they get better if anything, and that 0:04:43.253 --> 0:04:47.373 allows the Stokes kind of structure to come into it 0:04:47.413 --> 0:04:51.133 a little bit because he can chase. In that second innings, 0:04:51.133 --> 0:04:54.053 he knows the target and away they go. The problem 0:04:54.133 --> 0:04:57.893 in this test was it was a huge target, and 0:04:58.013 --> 0:05:03.253 of course India quite smart really because they left them 0:05:03.293 --> 0:05:06.613 so many runs you couldn't chase it down in the time, 0:05:07.213 --> 0:05:10.453 and so it took them win and the idea of 0:05:10.493 --> 0:05:14.693 the chase out of play, and it left them going nowhere. 0:05:15.373 --> 0:05:19.053 You know, it left them sad and they didn't quite 0:05:19.173 --> 0:05:21.893 know what to do. And as soon as you get 0:05:22.013 --> 0:05:25.333 roots out, who's about the only batsman who can straddle 0:05:26.693 --> 0:05:30.613 the classical way of batting and then the new English 0:05:30.693 --> 0:05:33.893 way of attack he's about the only one who can 0:05:33.933 --> 0:05:37.733 do that as soon as he goes and if he 0:05:37.773 --> 0:05:42.133 doesn't get runs and gets out early, then I'm afraid 0:05:42.453 --> 0:05:45.173 you're left with guys not knowing quite what to do, 0:05:46.133 --> 0:05:49.253 how to save a game. That kind of whole concept 0:05:49.813 --> 0:05:53.773 isn't there with the English batting at the moment. So 0:05:53.853 --> 0:05:56.133 that's what kind of happened, and we can talk about 0:05:56.173 --> 0:05:59.373 it in more detail, but that's the general structure. Wickets 0:05:59.453 --> 0:06:06.573 not actually deteriorating in the game. Why a good weather 0:06:07.373 --> 0:06:13.173 b removing any sort of moisture from the whole park, 0:06:13.973 --> 0:06:17.613 very fast outfields so that as soon as you have 0:06:17.853 --> 0:06:21.613 rain here in England, it clears up, the moisture goes 0:06:21.773 --> 0:06:24.333 like mad and you're back on the field, so you're 0:06:24.333 --> 0:06:29.693 getting players back onto the park. But that has ramifications 0:06:29.693 --> 0:06:31.693 because they not only do it on the outfield, they 0:06:31.733 --> 0:06:35.133 do it on the pitch and the block as well, 0:06:35.573 --> 0:06:39.853 so moisture the pitch looks quite brown when the game starts. 0:06:40.773 --> 0:06:43.533 They didn't have the bounce that they wanted. They want 0:06:43.573 --> 0:06:49.013 bounce tall bowlers rather than skiddy Indian bowlers. 0:06:49.373 --> 0:06:54.533 Yeah, interesting most that Ben Stokes basically said it seemed 0:06:54.573 --> 0:06:57.133 like a subcontinent pitch, but that's his fault because he 0:06:57.173 --> 0:07:00.133 could have used it first. But they're batting as such. 0:07:00.213 --> 0:07:03.693 Every time they fail, Crawley and Pope come under the 0:07:03.893 --> 0:07:06.453 microscope and everybody wants to get rid of them. And 0:07:06.493 --> 0:07:09.693 even Smith, who batted superbly in the first hittings with 0:07:09.893 --> 0:07:12.733 the one hundred and seventy odd and Brooke who play 0:07:12.813 --> 0:07:18.493 that aggressive style, got some harsh words from the fans saying, oh, 0:07:18.653 --> 0:07:20.773 don't they know how to save a Test? So, I mean, 0:07:21.373 --> 0:07:22.933 what do you want from your batters? 0:07:23.453 --> 0:07:28.373 Isn't it perplexing that the pundits and the critics in 0:07:28.413 --> 0:07:31.933 England they were very quiet after the first Test, weren't 0:07:31.933 --> 0:07:33.853 they who didn't hear any of this? Did we right? 0:07:35.813 --> 0:07:40.813 And yeah, after this match all of a sudden, oh 0:07:40.893 --> 0:07:44.453 my lord, you know Pope gets a hundred in the 0:07:44.493 --> 0:07:48.053 first Test. Probably, yeah, he's been under under some pressure, 0:07:48.333 --> 0:07:53.653 gets runs. That's how they're playing. What the pundits seem 0:07:53.733 --> 0:07:56.893 to forget is that the last two matches have been 0:07:56.893 --> 0:08:00.333 five days and have been sold out, and people are 0:08:00.373 --> 0:08:04.773 watching and they're intrigued and they've all got opinions whether 0:08:04.773 --> 0:08:08.093 it's right or wrong. This has to be the best 0:08:08.093 --> 0:08:10.813 thing about it. How do we regenerate interest in the 0:08:10.893 --> 0:08:13.853 in the in the game that I frankly we all love, 0:08:13.893 --> 0:08:17.293 which is good test cricket, And yet they're so quick 0:08:18.013 --> 0:08:21.733 to start to put the boot in as soon as 0:08:21.733 --> 0:08:26.173 it goes wrong at the ten and the Times overnight, 0:08:26.653 --> 0:08:29.213 I'm reading him and it's in some respects he was 0:08:29.293 --> 0:08:32.653 quite good but just couldn't wait. And I may no 0:08:32.813 --> 0:08:36.053 dot what it is, whether it's sort of anti Antie McCallum, 0:08:36.093 --> 0:08:40.093 anti Stokes, but there just seems to be this rejection 0:08:40.333 --> 0:08:44.413 of of really intriguing games. And we're talking about it 0:08:44.413 --> 0:08:48.373 now because we're looking forward to this next match because 0:08:48.373 --> 0:08:51.253 we don't know what's going to unfold. They've created this uncertainty, 0:08:51.293 --> 0:08:54.533 this wonderful chance. How's it going to play out? 0:08:55.773 --> 0:08:57.653 Who's going to make the changes to one of the 0:08:57.693 --> 0:09:00.693 things that they talk about in terms of England. At 0:09:00.693 --> 0:09:05.293 the moment, I thought the England attack lacked some venom. 0:09:06.333 --> 0:09:10.493 Anderson wants Archer, Beeca Atkinson has to come and they say, 0:09:10.493 --> 0:09:13.013 but there's a danger there for them, isn't there? Because 0:09:13.133 --> 0:09:17.013 neither of those guys have played Red Bull cricket. Archer 0:09:17.013 --> 0:09:18.453 hasn't played for four years. 0:09:18.493 --> 0:09:21.693 Is that right? Yes, that's right, Wads. It's a bit 0:09:21.693 --> 0:09:24.053 of a concern when if you're going to play them 0:09:24.093 --> 0:09:27.773 both and they're both coming back and they prepare the 0:09:27.813 --> 0:09:31.053 same sorts of pictures. We've seen sixteen hundred and ninety 0:09:31.053 --> 0:09:34.853 two runs in the first Test, sixteen hundred and seventy 0:09:34.893 --> 0:09:38.093 three runs, seven hundreds and are ninety nine or something 0:09:38.213 --> 0:09:41.133 like that, and sorry that's the first Test. Second Test 0:09:41.453 --> 0:09:44.773 three hundreds and one, two hundred, big two hundred, so 0:09:45.053 --> 0:09:49.893 lots of runs. Batsman enjoying the situation now for Archer, 0:09:50.013 --> 0:09:56.293 who's a who's a terrific bowler really and England kind 0:09:56.333 --> 0:10:00.373 of ruined him in the first sort of you know, 0:10:01.093 --> 0:10:04.293 you know section of his Test career where they tried 0:10:04.333 --> 0:10:07.293 to make him to bowl fast, faster and faster and 0:10:07.373 --> 0:10:11.533 also longer, longer, and they injured him, of course. And 0:10:12.133 --> 0:10:15.333 so now it's been four years, how will he go? 0:10:15.413 --> 0:10:19.453 How many overs a day will he bowl? Sixteen seventeen 0:10:19.493 --> 0:10:21.653 around about? I would have thought not too much more. 0:10:22.333 --> 0:10:25.173 And if you have Atkinson who's just coming back and 0:10:25.213 --> 0:10:28.413 returning from injury, you've got two guys, how many overs 0:10:28.413 --> 0:10:31.493 can he bowl if you want to keep him fit? 0:10:32.133 --> 0:10:34.773 And does that mean in fact, you've got to play 0:10:34.813 --> 0:10:37.733 Wokes again because he's about the only one who can 0:10:37.773 --> 0:10:42.733 bowl lots of overs in that attack, and Stokes has 0:10:42.773 --> 0:10:46.053 bowled quite a few overs as well, so in the 0:10:46.093 --> 0:10:50.293 attempts to get India out, but they're putting them in first, 0:10:50.333 --> 0:10:53.293 and they're giving the best, giving the best batting conditions away. 0:10:54.053 --> 0:10:59.533 Although and jury on that point about Wokes, I'm an 0:10:59.613 --> 0:11:02.453 absolute fan of him, but once she had three wigs 0:11:02.493 --> 0:11:06.213 are on average of ninety six in the series, and 0:11:06.413 --> 0:11:09.773 he's had great success at Lord's and you can be 0:11:09.893 --> 0:11:15.293 trapped into the comp the idea that perhaps what should 0:11:15.293 --> 0:11:18.693 play at Lord's, but he he just seems to come 0:11:18.733 --> 0:11:22.733 on to the bat. And the other person that's been 0:11:22.733 --> 0:11:25.973 talked about as a chap called Sam Cook, who you know, 0:11:26.013 --> 0:11:28.333 I'm not sure about that either, because he's had one 0:11:28.373 --> 0:11:31.733 test and that was a great eye that I think 0:11:31.773 --> 0:11:36.893 Atkinson is the one can play that comes on and 0:11:36.973 --> 0:11:40.453 actually hits the bat quite hard, but it seems to 0:11:40.453 --> 0:11:42.773 be more robust. I don't think Archie can get through 0:11:42.773 --> 0:11:45.653 more than fifteen hours a day. Frankly, that would be 0:11:45.653 --> 0:11:48.493 a stretch, and I'll be surprised. I think they've got 0:11:48.533 --> 0:11:50.613 some challenges. 0:11:51.333 --> 0:11:55.573 Yeah, I agree with that. They certainly have those challenges. 0:11:55.973 --> 0:11:57.813 I just think if you're going to play them both, 0:11:58.613 --> 0:12:01.373 I think they're very keen to get Archer into the mix. 0:12:02.573 --> 0:12:06.573 Cars looks injured. He's got a toe problem and he's 0:12:06.813 --> 0:12:10.093 limping as soon as he's not bowling. He's limping quite 0:12:10.133 --> 0:12:13.733 a lot in the field, and and he's had quite 0:12:13.733 --> 0:12:14.773 a heavy workload. 0:12:14.853 --> 0:12:15.413 He works. 0:12:15.693 --> 0:12:18.813 He's a nice bowler. Actually, he's a good should the bowler. Yeah, 0:12:18.973 --> 0:12:23.013 but he's what's what was interesting about that last Test match. 0:12:23.093 --> 0:12:26.133 They're the difference between the England bowlers, who are taller 0:12:27.013 --> 0:12:32.853 than the Indian counterparts, and they and the fact that 0:12:32.893 --> 0:12:35.773 they they pitched the ball up to a different lengths. 0:12:35.933 --> 0:12:40.093 They're skiddy, they're shorter, they kiss the pitch rather than 0:12:40.373 --> 0:12:44.053 bang it in the way the English methods are. And 0:12:44.133 --> 0:12:46.413 they didn't like the pace of the pitch England they 0:12:46.413 --> 0:12:50.293 wanted more bounds. Well, you know, they are ordering pictures towards, 0:12:50.413 --> 0:12:53.053 you know, to you know, that's like a tailored suit 0:12:53.533 --> 0:12:56.093 that you've got to you know, wear and have everybody 0:12:56.213 --> 0:13:01.453 day and every game. Yeah. Well, I'm sure most of 0:13:01.453 --> 0:13:03.733 them have got four or five in there in their 0:13:03.773 --> 0:13:08.573 wardrobe most a cash deep. I mean, what a very 0:13:08.573 --> 0:13:11.333 good addition he was to the Indian side. I don't 0:13:11.373 --> 0:13:14.693 know whether you enjoyed watching him, but he hit the 0:13:15.173 --> 0:13:18.493 hit the pitch closer to the stumps about five meters 0:13:19.093 --> 0:13:22.693 and therefore reduced the time the batsmen had to play 0:13:23.653 --> 0:13:26.533 and therefore exposed their pads because a lot of the 0:13:26.533 --> 0:13:28.893 English bat in front of their stumps quite a lot. 0:13:29.693 --> 0:13:33.293 And he got the ball coming from out to in 0:13:33.493 --> 0:13:36.373 from outside a right hand as off stump angling back 0:13:36.413 --> 0:13:39.853 in from bowling a little bit wider. The batsmen didn't 0:13:39.893 --> 0:13:42.773 have time to intercept the ball so much and they 0:13:42.773 --> 0:13:45.133 got either they missed it and got an inside edge 0:13:45.133 --> 0:13:47.933 into the into their stumps. I thought he was a 0:13:47.933 --> 0:13:51.253 clever bowler. Actually he got the most out of the 0:13:51.293 --> 0:13:55.093 surface of anybody. When the cracks just started to occur 0:13:55.133 --> 0:13:58.933 in that last day, bowls about eighty four to eighty 0:13:59.053 --> 0:14:02.053 seven miles an hour, So that's well, I don't know 0:14:02.053 --> 0:14:04.613 about one forty five that sort of pace for New 0:14:04.733 --> 0:14:11.933 Zealand people, the new ball especially. But he's clever, you know, 0:14:11.973 --> 0:14:14.013 when he who was asked to bowl a short pitch 0:14:14.093 --> 0:14:18.813 bowling stuff that they use as a method and he gave. 0:14:19.493 --> 0:14:21.933 He gave Jamie Smith two of them, just a normal 0:14:22.013 --> 0:14:25.853 pace and he pulled those easily for six. And then 0:14:25.893 --> 0:14:28.253 the third one he took all the pace off the ball. 0:14:28.293 --> 0:14:31.453 It was a slower ball another bouncer, and he had 0:14:31.453 --> 0:14:33.773 to wait and reach for it and he didn't get 0:14:33.773 --> 0:14:36.133 it to the boundary and was caught out. Clever bowling, 0:14:36.773 --> 0:14:41.973 clever changes of pace, very effective, good addition. 0:14:42.253 --> 0:14:46.013 And interestingly, Jerry in the second innings he bought twenty 0:14:46.053 --> 0:14:51.453 one overs. Yeah, well, and everyone else bowed twelve and 0:14:51.573 --> 0:14:56.373 fourteen overs. He bought twenty one. That's what I don't 0:14:56.413 --> 0:15:00.693 think Archer can do. He can't. That's not going to happen, 0:15:00.733 --> 0:15:03.213 is it. So I agree with you. I think this 0:15:03.253 --> 0:15:09.933 has been applaud the Indians for the position that they've made, 0:15:10.533 --> 0:15:15.453 are moving away from row heads Coli, and they moved 0:15:15.493 --> 0:15:20.973 on and they're bringing new players in. That contrasts greatly 0:15:21.053 --> 0:15:23.933 with where we are in our game frankly at the moment. 0:15:24.333 --> 0:15:28.533 But I applaud them, and she can't wait for them, 0:15:28.733 --> 0:15:29.733 all right? Lord? 0:15:30.933 --> 0:15:34.013 Well, the interesting thing in the batting particularly, I mean 0:15:34.093 --> 0:15:37.133 I've mentioned all those runs that have been scored a 0:15:37.213 --> 0:15:40.933 hell of a lot of runs. You know, obviously the 0:15:40.973 --> 0:15:45.533 bowlers aren't enjoying it quite so much generally, but the 0:15:45.533 --> 0:15:48.253 Indian top order, I don't know what, you guys have 0:15:48.373 --> 0:15:50.853 a feeling in you when you watch them. I just 0:15:50.893 --> 0:15:54.253 got a feeling that Indian top order Jace while Rajall 0:15:54.333 --> 0:15:56.973 they have trouble at three a bit, they're getting that 0:15:57.173 --> 0:16:01.173 guy nigh in there, but then they have girls and 0:16:01.613 --> 0:16:04.213 they just look a bit more organized at the top 0:16:04.773 --> 0:16:10.253 and a little less frenetic, especially when ball moves, And 0:16:10.933 --> 0:16:14.653 it just seems to me the key, the key player. 0:16:15.573 --> 0:16:19.493 They're facing enough overs those Indian top order, so that 0:16:19.653 --> 0:16:22.533 when Guild comes in. I mean I looked at the 0:16:22.573 --> 0:16:25.413 figures and it was twenty four overs in the first 0:16:25.413 --> 0:16:27.933 innings of this last match before Guild walked to the 0:16:28.013 --> 0:16:31.053 crease it was twenty three overs and the second innings 0:16:31.093 --> 0:16:33.613 when he went to the crease, And so he's had 0:16:33.653 --> 0:16:37.453 about an hour and a half cricket bowling, and you've 0:16:37.493 --> 0:16:41.213 got the third and the fourth bowlers on at that time. 0:16:41.933 --> 0:16:46.453 And it just seemed to me that was advantage India 0:16:47.773 --> 0:16:51.533 because when root by comparison, who bats the same number 0:16:52.093 --> 0:16:55.493 number four for England, he went in in the last 0:16:55.613 --> 0:16:59.173 Test in the third over in the first innings and 0:16:59.253 --> 0:17:02.893 the fifth over in the second innings, and Root is 0:17:02.933 --> 0:17:06.253 having to face that new ball and he's not quite 0:17:06.293 --> 0:17:10.293 getting the runs. Obviously, the gill Is and the Indian 0:17:10.333 --> 0:17:13.373 bowlers at that stage are fresh, they've still got a 0:17:13.373 --> 0:17:17.613 new ball, they've had early success in picking up wickets. 0:17:17.973 --> 0:17:20.293 Maybe there's a slip catch and so the whole team 0:17:20.373 --> 0:17:24.613 feel as though they're in the game. Somehow. England have 0:17:24.733 --> 0:17:30.013 to find a way to remove gill and that's not 0:17:30.093 --> 0:17:34.293 an easy question. How have you enjoyed watching him, you guys. 0:17:34.693 --> 0:17:36.853 We'd love to be watching him, but unfortunately you can't 0:17:36.893 --> 0:17:39.213 watch here in New Zealand. Sky doesn't think that it's 0:17:39.253 --> 0:17:41.853 worth putting the Test series on. We're having to get 0:17:41.893 --> 0:17:46.173 it off pirate videos from around the world and that 0:17:46.293 --> 0:17:51.053 drives me to distraction. But I've enjoyed what they've done 0:17:51.413 --> 0:17:56.213 and it's certainly going to produce a challenging match at 0:17:56.253 --> 0:17:58.653 Lords because we don't expect Lords to be much different 0:17:58.693 --> 0:18:01.613 than a traditional Lord's pitch. I don't think they can 0:18:01.653 --> 0:18:03.893 do much between the second and third pitch to get 0:18:03.893 --> 0:18:05.573 it to change. 0:18:05.693 --> 0:18:06.293 So we'll be. 0:18:06.253 --> 0:18:09.693 Watching the outcome and we'll probably need to have a 0:18:09.773 --> 0:18:12.293 fuller commentary. In fact, we might have to extend this 0:18:12.373 --> 0:18:15.493 program to five days, Jerry, so that we can find 0:18:15.533 --> 0:18:16.413 out what's going on. 0:18:17.413 --> 0:18:21.013 Yeah, okay, well that's a shame you can't watch. He's 0:18:21.013 --> 0:18:27.613 a beautiful batsman, organized, you know, simple movements, very strong 0:18:27.773 --> 0:18:30.813 forward defense and that's what he bases his game around. 0:18:31.413 --> 0:18:35.773 Hands close to the body. But you know, never appears 0:18:35.813 --> 0:18:40.213 to overhit the ball at all, plays short balls nice 0:18:40.293 --> 0:18:43.973 and calmly, doesn't overhit and generally you know, the full 0:18:44.013 --> 0:18:47.093 face of the bat and a voracious hunger to keep 0:18:47.133 --> 0:18:49.133 going and keep going and keep going. 0:18:49.453 --> 0:18:53.133 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 0:18:53.413 --> 0:18:54.213 What we will be. 0:18:54.173 --> 0:18:57.853 Able to see on our television screens is New Zealand 0:18:57.893 --> 0:19:02.533 playing Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe, who had a close one, almost conceded 0:19:02.573 --> 0:19:06.333 the highest score in Test match cricket to Vienne Mulder 0:19:06.613 --> 0:19:08.933 who struggled to get in the South African side, and 0:19:09.013 --> 0:19:13.693 he declared, rather than knockover Brian Lara's score, well, we're 0:19:13.693 --> 0:19:18.053 going to be playing against the Zimbabwe's and the South Africans, 0:19:18.093 --> 0:19:21.893 firstly in a white ball series and secondly in a 0:19:21.973 --> 0:19:27.053 Test series against Zimbabwe. Fairly predictable side, Moose, Matthew Fisher 0:19:27.373 --> 0:19:31.693 Pace they've opted for Pace Sears, isn't there? Jamison's staying 0:19:31.733 --> 0:19:34.253 at home because of the birth of his first child, 0:19:34.333 --> 0:19:37.813 so that's fair enough, I guess, and he's been out 0:19:37.853 --> 0:19:40.653 of but he'll probably be on the bench. I would imagine. 0:19:40.653 --> 0:19:43.813 The Test side is pretty straightforward, isn't it. 0:19:43.813 --> 0:19:48.493 It is it is, But I really think, and it's 0:19:48.533 --> 0:19:50.773 a bit of an old chest out there, why do 0:19:50.893 --> 0:19:54.933 we need to pick Henry Nichols? It's a test mess 0:19:54.933 --> 0:19:59.293 series where it doesn't come off a World Championship points 0:19:59.413 --> 0:20:03.773 or whatever that is. Why aren't we providing the opportunity? 0:20:04.373 --> 0:20:06.773 We know what Henry Nichols can do, you know? I 0:20:06.853 --> 0:20:10.893 call him Harvey Nichols frankly, very expensive shop in the 0:20:10.973 --> 0:20:15.333 King's Road of London. Too expensive, and we do need him, 0:20:15.373 --> 0:20:18.853 So there you go, Henry. I think we know what 0:20:18.853 --> 0:20:21.053 we've got. We don't need that. If we need it, 0:20:21.133 --> 0:20:23.173 we can get him a lot of point. But can 0:20:23.213 --> 0:20:29.693 we please? Where's Nick Kelly, where's Mario? Where are several 0:20:29.733 --> 0:20:33.373 other players? And they probably they're probably scratching their heads, now, 0:20:33.573 --> 0:20:37.253 what's the opportunity here? I'm so disappointed about that. And 0:20:37.293 --> 0:20:39.613 I don't want to climb on Henry Nichols because he's 0:20:40.293 --> 0:20:44.213 been a good player. What happened is people come out 0:20:44.813 --> 0:20:47.453 and probably get one hundred and then that will be 0:20:47.493 --> 0:20:50.413 the basis of him staying in the squad against him 0:20:50.453 --> 0:20:53.693 badwe I mean, I mean, it just seems a real 0:20:53.733 --> 0:20:57.413 disappointment putting it to one side on please Patel us 0:20:57.453 --> 0:21:00.933 in there as an extra spinner. I like the fact 0:21:00.973 --> 0:21:05.373 that they've gone with Fisher, who bowls high one in 0:21:05.413 --> 0:21:09.013 the mid one forties, and actually I saw him playing 0:21:09.053 --> 0:21:13.933 as Wellington back in March and he's certainly brisk, so 0:21:13.973 --> 0:21:16.733 I like all of that. But I just ge wiz, 0:21:16.973 --> 0:21:23.493 I mean, do we need that I'm not playing No. 0:21:24.173 --> 0:21:25.973 I think you make a fair point because we had 0:21:25.973 --> 0:21:28.933 an a team go to Bangladesh and Nick Kelly was 0:21:28.933 --> 0:21:31.933 a star two centuries and that they won the series one. 0:21:32.013 --> 0:21:35.493 Nill Carter was also in that side Murray who was 0:21:35.533 --> 0:21:38.573 a defend you know, as a player who's developing, and 0:21:38.613 --> 0:21:40.813 of course there's moa Best didn't have a good tour, 0:21:40.853 --> 0:21:42.813 But why do we need to go to a thirty 0:21:42.853 --> 0:21:45.533 four year old when there are developing players. It's not 0:21:45.573 --> 0:21:48.453 a developmental tour. But it's a good chance to use 0:21:48.453 --> 0:21:50.813 some of those guys. Surely, Jerry, what's the point of 0:21:50.813 --> 0:21:51.373 a B tour? 0:21:52.173 --> 0:21:55.773 I can't disagree with the points you've made, Lads. If 0:21:55.813 --> 0:21:59.413 he does get runs or really if he goes well, 0:21:59.213 --> 0:22:02.853 we are we preparing him for the future. No, he's 0:22:03.413 --> 0:22:06.053 played very well for New Zealand at times, no doubt 0:22:06.093 --> 0:22:09.453 about that. But it is time for youth. And it 0:22:09.573 --> 0:22:14.133 seems there's a smell of developmental around generally, not just 0:22:14.293 --> 0:22:18.013 obviously not this side, but generally around the game. Isn't 0:22:18.053 --> 0:22:20.933 there more A tours? The women's tours are going away 0:22:21.093 --> 0:22:23.653 and so on. So that's a good that's a good 0:22:23.693 --> 0:22:27.253 thing that we're starting to look in that direction. And 0:22:27.333 --> 0:22:32.133 I'm not sure whether whether Henry you know, Nichols is 0:22:32.293 --> 0:22:35.373 the future any longer. Maybe he's there for the one 0:22:35.453 --> 0:22:37.733 day games wads and not sure. I can't see him 0:22:37.733 --> 0:22:41.613 getting in the Test side after Layth and Conway, Young Mitchell, 0:22:41.733 --> 0:22:45.093 Ravendra Phillips. It's all pretty and blundled, it's all kind 0:22:45.093 --> 0:22:48.013 of set there. They're all there, those players I know 0:22:48.133 --> 0:22:50.973 that you know, Williamson's not there, and there's no brace 0:22:51.013 --> 0:22:52.813 Well and that sort of thing, and Wadds has mentioned 0:22:52.853 --> 0:22:56.093 the others. Yes, Patell is there. There's going to be 0:22:56.093 --> 0:22:59.893 an interesting choice by guests between Patel and Santna if 0:22:59.933 --> 0:23:03.373 they want more batting or not. Smith's had a good 0:23:03.413 --> 0:23:07.613 couple of games in England again for Surrey, just picked 0:23:07.653 --> 0:23:12.013 up six weeks. It's at a game at Worcester. There's 0:23:12.093 --> 0:23:15.093 Duffy there. He's there for the first time, which is great. 0:23:15.413 --> 0:23:18.093 And fish as you've mentioned fish Eye. I don't know 0:23:18.213 --> 0:23:20.693 quite so much about him, but I like the fact 0:23:20.693 --> 0:23:24.453 that he's there and that he's got nearly four wickets 0:23:24.453 --> 0:23:28.213 a match and the in the first class games that 0:23:28.253 --> 0:23:30.973 he's played already. And then you've got Matt Henry and 0:23:30.973 --> 0:23:36.693 O'Rourke so at Bulawayo was clearly you know they'll probably 0:23:36.733 --> 0:23:39.533 be playing there. There's been lots of runs scored against 0:23:39.613 --> 0:23:43.693 Zimbabwe generally. I mean they played one match in England 0:23:43.693 --> 0:23:46.893 at trent Bridge and that was a three day affair. 0:23:47.493 --> 0:23:51.653 They have the older guys, don't they, you Fellas they've 0:23:51.693 --> 0:23:55.653 got is it it's Irvine, isn't it. And they've got 0:23:55.693 --> 0:24:01.213 Sean Williams. They've got Muzzakis he's still there too, that's interesting. 0:24:01.853 --> 0:24:05.653 And they're the guys that they basically rely on. Yeah, 0:24:05.733 --> 0:24:09.053 Molder three hundred and sixty four. I saw that, and 0:24:09.133 --> 0:24:11.693 I think the coach said to him, do not go 0:24:11.773 --> 0:24:16.773 out and you do not pass legends, which means, of 0:24:16.813 --> 0:24:19.653 course Lara in this case having four hundred in the 0:24:19.693 --> 0:24:24.213 Test match, and he followed the coach's advice. Stekonderaza is 0:24:24.253 --> 0:24:28.413