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Speaker 4: Front foot this week reflecting on what England won at
Speaker 4: edgemusson yeap, the cost they wish they hadn't after that
Speaker 4: it was all India seemingly a mind of surprise and
Speaker 4: the Black Cats squad for Zimbabwe. Remember this goes back
Speaker 4: thirty five years this week for the last fall in
Speaker 4: testns cricket for one of the greats.
Speaker 2: But it's what's.
Speaker 4: Going on at the moment that keeps our interest. The
Speaker 4: Test series in England heard coming up pretty quick, no
Speaker 4: time between those Test matters, and of course he's head
Speaker 4: and heading off to the African continent to play Zimbarbwe
Speaker 4: and South Africa. Jeremy Coney living the high life in
Speaker 4: the heart of the United Kingdom, socializing with all the
Speaker 4: movers and shakers and really to front up to Lords
Speaker 4: with his best clobber on Jerry, how are you going.
Speaker 3: Hello, Wads? And that's that's really not what's happening at all.
Speaker 3: I don't really have a clover. Well I do, but
Speaker 3: not the kind you're actually meaning in that sentence. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I am going. I'm heading off tomorrow to Lords for
Speaker 3: this the third Test of what's proving to be an
Speaker 3: interesting kind of series. Really, bowlers aren't enjoying it much,
Speaker 3: but it's mana pictures are interesting and there's a bit
Speaker 3: of ye know, it's quite a following that. The crowds
Speaker 3: are good. We've had two five day tests, so there
Speaker 3: we are. Let's hope we can do that again.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I got your old mate Moose with us as well.
Speaker 4: Head lunch with them last week and we discussed talking
Speaker 4: cricket this week Moose, Peter Holland, good to have you
Speaker 4: back again with us. And you've been following the Test
Speaker 4: match closely, of course, and I just wonder whether winning
Speaker 4: the toss is not a good thing for England at
Speaker 4: the moment. It seems to be putting them into danger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, indeed, in Hello Brian and Jerry, it's interesting
Speaker 2: because the English team seems to try to be perverse
Speaker 2: if it was, if it was the orthodoxy, want to
Speaker 2: do all times different and so therefore, you know, we
Speaker 2: bat when we should actually, well we should bowl. Win
Speaker 2: your bat and you just got your head. Hey, it
Speaker 2: worked on the first Test and and and by the way,
Speaker 2: they have actually done a great thing for Test cricket
Speaker 2: because we're all watching and that has to be a
Speaker 2: good thing. But my lord, it did seem to backfire
Speaker 2: on pretty flat decks. Now, Jerry, you may have a
Speaker 2: been of you you or that, because we don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of sight of this over the side of
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one, isn't it. Clearly the
Speaker 3: toss in the end, as you look back, was very
Speaker 3: important in the second Test match, very similar pitch. You
Speaker 3: talk about that conditions always sort of drive games of cricket,
Speaker 3: don't they, and the whole structure of the way that
Speaker 3: they play the game. Here Stokes plans, you know, to
Speaker 3: win the first Tests, and you know, and it came through.
Speaker 3: And but this time he did exactly the same and
Speaker 3: we got an entirely different results. This time. Of course,
Speaker 3: India and the second Test didn't collapse in either innings,
Speaker 3: and this time the pitch started to do a few
Speaker 3: things on the last day of the game, as it should,
Speaker 3: and England lost convincingly. In between, I've also been doing
Speaker 3: a little bit of work in Surrey and they're similar
Speaker 3: pictures as well. The pitches over here do not have
Speaker 3: what I call entropy, as I was saying to Wad's
Speaker 3: last week, they do not deteriorate. They just stay the
Speaker 3: same way and they get better if anything, and that
Speaker 3: allows the Stokes kind of structure to come into it
Speaker 3: a little bit because he can chase. In that second innings,
Speaker 3: he knows the target and away they go. The problem
Speaker 3: in this test was it was a huge target, and
Speaker 3: of course India quite smart really because they left them
Speaker 3: so many runs you couldn't chase it down in the time,
Speaker 3: and so it took them win and the idea of
Speaker 3: the chase out of play, and it left them going nowhere.
Speaker 3: You know, it left them sad and they didn't quite
Speaker 3: know what to do. And as soon as you get
Speaker 3: roots out, who's about the only batsman who can straddle
Speaker 3: the classical way of batting and then the new English
Speaker 3: way of attack he's about the only one who can
Speaker 3: do that as soon as he goes and if he
Speaker 3: doesn't get runs and gets out early, then I'm afraid
Speaker 3: you're left with guys not knowing quite what to do,
Speaker 3: how to save a game. That kind of whole concept
Speaker 3: isn't there with the English batting at the moment. So
Speaker 3: that's what kind of happened, and we can talk about
Speaker 3: it in more detail, but that's the general structure. Wickets
Speaker 3: not actually deteriorating in the game. Why a good weather
Speaker 3: b removing any sort of moisture from the whole park,
Speaker 3: very fast outfields so that as soon as you have
Speaker 3: rain here in England, it clears up, the moisture goes
Speaker 3: like mad and you're back on the field, so you're
Speaker 3: getting players back onto the park. But that has ramifications
Speaker 3: because they not only do it on the outfield, they
Speaker 3: do it on the pitch and the block as well,
Speaker 3: so moisture the pitch looks quite brown when the game starts.
Speaker 3: They didn't have the bounce that they wanted. They want
Speaker 3: bounce tall bowlers rather than skiddy Indian bowlers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting most that Ben Stokes basically said it seemed
Speaker 4: like a subcontinent pitch, but that's his fault because he
Speaker 4: could have used it first. But they're batting as such.
Speaker 4: Every time they fail, Crawley and Pope come under the
Speaker 4: microscope and everybody wants to get rid of them. And
Speaker 4: even Smith, who batted superbly in the first hittings with
Speaker 4: the one hundred and seventy odd and Brooke who play
Speaker 4: that aggressive style, got some harsh words from the fans saying, oh,
Speaker 4: don't they know how to save a Test? So, I mean,
Speaker 4: what do you want from your batters?
Speaker 2: Isn't it perplexing that the pundits and the critics in
Speaker 2: England they were very quiet after the first Test, weren't
Speaker 2: they who didn't hear any of this? Did we right?
Speaker 2: And yeah, after this match all of a sudden, oh
Speaker 2: my lord, you know Pope gets a hundred in the
Speaker 2: first Test. Probably, yeah, he's been under under some pressure,
Speaker 2: gets runs. That's how they're playing. What the pundits seem
Speaker 2: to forget is that the last two matches have been
Speaker 2: five days and have been sold out, and people are
Speaker 2: watching and they're intrigued and they've all got opinions whether
Speaker 2: it's right or wrong. This has to be the best
Speaker 2: thing about it. How do we regenerate interest in the
Speaker 2: in the in the game that I frankly we all love,
Speaker 2: which is good test cricket, And yet they're so quick
Speaker 2: to start to put the boot in as soon as
Speaker 2: it goes wrong at the ten and the Times overnight,
Speaker 2: I'm reading him and it's in some respects he was
Speaker 2: quite good but just couldn't wait. And I may no
Speaker 2: dot what it is, whether it's sort of anti Antie McCallum,
Speaker 2: anti Stokes, but there just seems to be this rejection
Speaker 2: of of really intriguing games. And we're talking about it
Speaker 2: now because we're looking forward to this next match because
Speaker 2: we don't know what's going to unfold. They've created this uncertainty,
Speaker 2: this wonderful chance. How's it going to play out?
Speaker 4: Who's going to make the changes to one of the
Speaker 4: things that they talk about in terms of England. At
Speaker 4: the moment, I thought the England attack lacked some venom.
Speaker 4: Anderson wants Archer, Beeca Atkinson has to come and they say,
Speaker 4: but there's a danger there for them, isn't there? Because
Speaker 4: neither of those guys have played Red Bull cricket. Archer
Speaker 4: hasn't played for four years.
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes, that's right, Wads. It's a bit
Speaker 3: of a concern when if you're going to play them
Speaker 3: both and they're both coming back and they prepare the
Speaker 3: same sorts of pictures. We've seen sixteen hundred and ninety
Speaker 3: two runs in the first Test, sixteen hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: three runs, seven hundreds and are ninety nine or something
Speaker 3: like that, and sorry that's the first Test. Second Test
Speaker 3: three hundreds and one, two hundred, big two hundred, so
Speaker 3: lots of runs. Batsman enjoying the situation now for Archer,
Speaker 3: who's a who's a terrific bowler really and England kind
Speaker 3: of ruined him in the first sort of you know,
Speaker 3: you know section of his Test career where they tried
Speaker 3: to make him to bowl fast, faster and faster and
Speaker 3: also longer, longer, and they injured him, of course. And
Speaker 3: so now it's been four years, how will he go?
Speaker 3: How many overs a day will he bowl? Sixteen seventeen
Speaker 3: around about? I would have thought not too much more.
Speaker 3: And if you have Atkinson who's just coming back and
Speaker 3: returning from injury, you've got two guys, how many overs
Speaker 3: can he bowl if you want to keep him fit?
Speaker 3: And does that mean in fact, you've got to play
Speaker 3: Wokes again because he's about the only one who can
Speaker 3: bowl lots of overs in that attack, and Stokes has
Speaker 3: bowled quite a few overs as well, so in the
Speaker 3: attempts to get India out, but they're putting them in first,
Speaker 3: and they're giving the best, giving the best batting conditions away.
Speaker 2: Although and jury on that point about Wokes, I'm an
Speaker 2: absolute fan of him, but once she had three wigs
Speaker 2: are on average of ninety six in the series, and
Speaker 2: he's had great success at Lord's and you can be
Speaker 2: trapped into the comp the idea that perhaps what should
Speaker 2: play at Lord's, but he he just seems to come
Speaker 2: on to the bat. And the other person that's been
Speaker 2: talked about as a chap called Sam Cook, who you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that either, because he's had one
Speaker 2: test and that was a great eye that I think
Speaker 2: Atkinson is the one can play that comes on and
Speaker 2: actually hits the bat quite hard, but it seems to
Speaker 2: be more robust. I don't think Archie can get through
Speaker 2: more than fifteen hours a day. Frankly, that would be
Speaker 2: a stretch, and I'll be surprised. I think they've got
Speaker 2: some challenges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. They certainly have those challenges.
Speaker 3: I just think if you're going to play them both,
Speaker 3: I think they're very keen to get Archer into the mix.
Speaker 3: Cars looks injured. He's got a toe problem and he's
Speaker 3: limping as soon as he's not bowling. He's limping quite
Speaker 3: a lot in the field, and and he's had quite
Speaker 3: a heavy workload.
Speaker 2: He works.
Speaker 3: He's a nice bowler. Actually, he's a good should the bowler. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he's what's what was interesting about that last Test match.
Speaker 3: They're the difference between the England bowlers, who are taller
Speaker 3: than the Indian counterparts, and they and the fact that
Speaker 3: they they pitched the ball up to a different lengths.
Speaker 3: They're skiddy, they're shorter, they kiss the pitch rather than
Speaker 3: bang it in the way the English methods are. And
Speaker 3: they didn't like the pace of the pitch England they
Speaker 3: wanted more bounds. Well, you know, they are ordering pictures towards,
Speaker 3: you know, to you know, that's like a tailored suit
Speaker 3: that you've got to you know, wear and have everybody
Speaker 3: day and every game. Yeah. Well, I'm sure most of
Speaker 3: them have got four or five in there in their
Speaker 3: wardrobe most a cash deep. I mean, what a very
Speaker 3: good addition he was to the Indian side. I don't
Speaker 3: know whether you enjoyed watching him, but he hit the
Speaker 3: hit the pitch closer to the stumps about five meters
Speaker 3: and therefore reduced the time the batsmen had to play
Speaker 3: and therefore exposed their pads because a lot of the
Speaker 3: English bat in front of their stumps quite a lot.
Speaker 3: And he got the ball coming from out to in
Speaker 3: from outside a right hand as off stump angling back
Speaker 3: in from bowling a little bit wider. The batsmen didn't
Speaker 3: have time to intercept the ball so much and they
Speaker 3: got either they missed it and got an inside edge
Speaker 3: into the into their stumps. I thought he was a
Speaker 3: clever bowler. Actually he got the most out of the
Speaker 3: surface of anybody. When the cracks just started to occur
Speaker 3: in that last day, bowls about eighty four to eighty
Speaker 3: seven miles an hour, So that's well, I don't know
Speaker 3: about one forty five that sort of pace for New
Speaker 3: Zealand people, the new ball especially. But he's clever, you know,
Speaker 3: when he who was asked to bowl a short pitch
Speaker 3: bowling stuff that they use as a method and he gave.
Speaker 3: He gave Jamie Smith two of them, just a normal
Speaker 3: pace and he pulled those easily for six. And then
Speaker 3: the third one he took all the pace off the ball.
Speaker 3: It was a slower ball another bouncer, and he had
Speaker 3: to wait and reach for it and he didn't get
Speaker 3: it to the boundary and was caught out. Clever bowling,
Speaker 3: clever changes of pace, very effective, good addition.
Speaker 2: And interestingly, Jerry in the second innings he bought twenty
Speaker 2: one overs. Yeah, well, and everyone else bowed twelve and
Speaker 2: fourteen overs. He bought twenty one. That's what I don't
Speaker 2: think Archer can do. He can't. That's not going to happen,
Speaker 2: is it. So I agree with you. I think this
Speaker 2: has been applaud the Indians for the position that they've made,
Speaker 2: are moving away from row heads Coli, and they moved
Speaker 2: on and they're bringing new players in. That contrasts greatly
Speaker 2: with where we are in our game frankly at the moment.
Speaker 2: But I applaud them, and she can't wait for them,
Speaker 2: all right? Lord?
Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing in the batting particularly, I mean
Speaker 3: I've mentioned all those runs that have been scored a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of runs. You know, obviously the
Speaker 3: bowlers aren't enjoying it quite so much generally, but the
Speaker 3: Indian top order, I don't know what, you guys have
Speaker 3: a feeling in you when you watch them. I just
Speaker 3: got a feeling that Indian top order Jace while Rajall
Speaker 3: they have trouble at three a bit, they're getting that
Speaker 3: guy nigh in there, but then they have girls and
Speaker 3: they just look a bit more organized at the top
Speaker 3: and a little less frenetic, especially when ball moves, And
Speaker 3: it just seems to me the key, the key player.
Speaker 3: They're facing enough overs those Indian top order, so that
Speaker 3: when Guild comes in. I mean I looked at the
Speaker 3: figures and it was twenty four overs in the first
Speaker 3: innings of this last match before Guild walked to the
Speaker 3: crease it was twenty three overs and the second innings
Speaker 3: when he went to the crease, And so he's had
Speaker 3: about an hour and a half cricket bowling, and you've
Speaker 3: got the third and the fourth bowlers on at that time.
Speaker 3: And it just seemed to me that was advantage India
Speaker 3: because when root by comparison, who bats the same number
Speaker 3: number four for England, he went in in the last
Speaker 3: Test in the third over in the first innings and
Speaker 3: the fifth over in the second innings, and Root is
Speaker 3: having to face that new ball and he's not quite
Speaker 3: getting the runs. Obviously, the gill Is and the Indian
Speaker 3: bowlers at that stage are fresh, they've still got a
Speaker 3: new ball, they've had early success in picking up wickets.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a slip catch and so the whole team
Speaker 3: feel as though they're in the game. Somehow. England have
Speaker 3: to find a way to remove gill and that's not
Speaker 3: an easy question. How have you enjoyed watching him, you guys.
Speaker 4: We'd love to be watching him, but unfortunately you can't
Speaker 4: watch here in New Zealand. Sky doesn't think that it's
Speaker 4: worth putting the Test series on. We're having to get
Speaker 4: it off pirate videos from around the world and that
Speaker 4: drives me to distraction. But I've enjoyed what they've done
Speaker 4: and it's certainly going to produce a challenging match at
Speaker 4: Lords because we don't expect Lords to be much different
Speaker 4: than a traditional Lord's pitch. I don't think they can
Speaker 4: do much between the second and third pitch to get
Speaker 4: it to change.
Speaker 3: So we'll be.
Speaker 4: Watching the outcome and we'll probably need to have a
Speaker 4: fuller commentary. In fact, we might have to extend this
Speaker 4: program to five days, Jerry, so that we can find
Speaker 4: out what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well that's a shame you can't watch. He's
Speaker 3: a beautiful batsman, organized, you know, simple movements, very strong
Speaker 3: forward defense and that's what he bases his game around.
Speaker 3: Hands close to the body. But you know, never appears
Speaker 3: to overhit the ball at all, plays short balls nice
Speaker 3: and calmly, doesn't overhit and generally you know, the full
Speaker 3: face of the bat and a voracious hunger to keep
Speaker 3: going and keep going and keep going.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: What we will be.
Speaker 4: Able to see on our television screens is New Zealand
Speaker 4: playing Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe, who had a close one, almost conceded
Speaker 4: the highest score in Test match cricket to Vienne Mulder
Speaker 4: who struggled to get in the South African side, and
Speaker 4: he declared, rather than knockover Brian Lara's score, well, we're
Speaker 4: going to be playing against the Zimbabwe's and the South Africans,
Speaker 4: firstly in a white ball series and secondly in a
Speaker 4: Test series against Zimbabwe. Fairly predictable side, Moose, Matthew Fisher
Speaker 4: Pace they've opted for Pace Sears, isn't there? Jamison's staying
Speaker 4: at home because of the birth of his first child,
Speaker 4: so that's fair enough, I guess, and he's been out
Speaker 4: of but he'll probably be on the bench. I would imagine.
Speaker 4: The Test side is pretty straightforward, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is it is, But I really think, and it's
Speaker 2: a bit of an old chest out there, why do
Speaker 2: we need to pick Henry Nichols? It's a test mess
Speaker 2: series where it doesn't come off a World Championship points
Speaker 2: or whatever that is. Why aren't we providing the opportunity?
Speaker 2: We know what Henry Nichols can do, you know? I
Speaker 2: call him Harvey Nichols frankly, very expensive shop in the
Speaker 2: King's Road of London. Too expensive, and we do need him,
Speaker 2: So there you go, Henry. I think we know what
Speaker 2: we've got. We don't need that. If we need it,
Speaker 2: we can get him a lot of point. But can
Speaker 2: we please? Where's Nick Kelly, where's Mario? Where are several
Speaker 2: other players? And they probably they're probably scratching their heads, now,
Speaker 2: what's the opportunity here? I'm so disappointed about that. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to climb on Henry Nichols because he's
Speaker 2: been a good player. What happened is people come out
Speaker 2: and probably get one hundred and then that will be
Speaker 2: the basis of him staying in the squad against him
Speaker 2: badwe I mean, I mean, it just seems a real
Speaker 2: disappointment putting it to one side on please Patel us
Speaker 2: in there as an extra spinner. I like the fact
Speaker 2: that they've gone with Fisher, who bowls high one in
Speaker 2: the mid one forties, and actually I saw him playing
Speaker 2: as Wellington back in March and he's certainly brisk, so
Speaker 2: I like all of that. But I just ge wiz,
Speaker 2: I mean, do we need that I'm not playing No.
Speaker 4: I think you make a fair point because we had
Speaker 4: an a team go to Bangladesh and Nick Kelly was
Speaker 4: a star two centuries and that they won the series one.
Speaker 4: Nill Carter was also in that side Murray who was
Speaker 4: a defend you know, as a player who's developing, and
Speaker 4: of course there's moa Best didn't have a good tour,
Speaker 4: But why do we need to go to a thirty
Speaker 4: four year old when there are developing players. It's not
Speaker 4: a developmental tour. But it's a good chance to use
Speaker 4: some of those guys. Surely, Jerry, what's the point of
Speaker 4: a B tour?
Speaker 3: I can't disagree with the points you've made, Lads. If
Speaker 3: he does get runs or really if he goes well,
Speaker 3: we are we preparing him for the future. No, he's
Speaker 3: played very well for New Zealand at times, no doubt
Speaker 3: about that. But it is time for youth. And it
Speaker 3: seems there's a smell of developmental around generally, not just
Speaker 3: obviously not this side, but generally around the game. Isn't
Speaker 3: there more A tours? The women's tours are going away
Speaker 3: and so on. So that's a good that's a good
Speaker 3: thing that we're starting to look in that direction. And
Speaker 3: I'm not sure whether whether Henry you know, Nichols is
Speaker 3: the future any longer. Maybe he's there for the one
Speaker 3: day games wads and not sure. I can't see him
Speaker 3: getting in the Test side after Layth and Conway, Young Mitchell,
Speaker 3: Ravendra Phillips. It's all pretty and blundled, it's all kind
Speaker 3: of set there. They're all there, those players I know
Speaker 3: that you know, Williamson's not there, and there's no brace
Speaker 3: Well and that sort of thing, and Wadds has mentioned
Speaker 3: the others. Yes, Patell is there. There's going to be
Speaker 3: an interesting choice by guests between Patel and Santna if
Speaker 3: they want more batting or not. Smith's had a good
Speaker 3: couple of games in England again for Surrey, just picked
Speaker 3: up six weeks. It's at a game at Worcester. There's
Speaker 3: Duffy there. He's there for the first time, which is great.
Speaker 3: And fish as you've mentioned fish Eye. I don't know
Speaker 3: quite so much about him, but I like the fact
Speaker 3: that he's there and that he's got nearly four wickets
Speaker 3: a match and the in the first class games that
Speaker 3: he's played already. And then you've got Matt Henry and
Speaker 3: O'Rourke so at Bulawayo was clearly you know they'll probably
Speaker 3: be playing there. There's been lots of runs scored against
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe generally. I mean they played one match in England
Speaker 3: at trent Bridge and that was a three day affair.
Speaker 3: They have the older guys, don't they, you Fellas they've
Speaker 3: got is it it's Irvine, isn't it. And they've got
Speaker 3: Sean Williams. They've got Muzzakis he's still there too, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: And they're the guys that they basically rely on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Molder three hundred and sixty four. I saw that, and
Speaker 3: I think the coach said to him, do not go
Speaker 3: out and you do not pass legends, which means, of
Speaker 3: course Lara in this case having four hundred in the
Speaker 3: Test match, and he followed the coach's advice. Stekonderaza is
Speaker 3: another one, isn't he. He's another player there. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how New Zealand will go. I hope
Speaker 3: they go well. I hope the Batsmen fill their boots
Speaker 3: and we'll see if we're able to bowl Zimbabwe out twice.
Speaker 3: That will be the key thing, won't it in that series?
Speaker 2: Yees correct? But I just remain disappointed. I'd like to
Speaker 2: see some new young players, including that squad, to give
Speaker 2: them a chance to play Test cricket, and it hasn't happened,
Speaker 2: and that's really disappointing in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4: Finally this week, remember this, I do.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 4: Memories are made the achievements of great players, and thirty
Speaker 4: five years ago this week, one of the greats ended
Speaker 4: his career the way he performed for eighteen years. He
Speaker 4: bowed his last ball and Taste Cricket walked into retirement
Speaker 4: with statistics that mark him down with many of the
Speaker 4: other greats.
Speaker 5: Well, how's your Burlington and he plays a doublin he's
Speaker 5: out pushing forward Missywood. Hardley appeals on Herdley has taken
Speaker 5: them five.
Speaker 2: Brigads for fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5: Three, five for fifty three.
Speaker 6: Here is Malcolm round the wicked now he's in.
Speaker 5: He bos to have egging both.
Speaker 6: Him, Hadley moved away, had a god carve and bearing
Speaker 6: out all that Fred Rumman said in the last hour
Speaker 6: he didn't fansy that too much. And he is out
Speaker 6: bold Malcolm for thirteen And we're now going to watch
Speaker 6: one of the great figures of the world leave the
Speaker 6: arena that he has graced so splendidly for the last
Speaker 6: eighteen years. He's going to leave it for the last time.
Speaker 6: And as he comes off, everyone in the ground rising
Speaker 6: to their feat. So rigin have their bow. Then by
Speaker 6: Devin Malcolm with thirteen even of the four score, when
Speaker 6: he's even one age.
Speaker 4: Of the seat a wicket with his last ball, and
Speaker 4: Test Cricket completing his thirty sixth five wicket haul, four
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty one Test wickets, eighty six Tests, eighteen years,
Speaker 4: five wickets a Test, ending his career with an average
Speaker 4: twenty two point three. Boy that succeeded by Boomera at
Speaker 4: the moment, but they're wonderful figures. Scored one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty four runs with the baut two centuries, one hundred
Speaker 4: and three versus the West Indies in christ Jatch, one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty one against Sri Lanka and Colombo, and
Speaker 4: there were controversial stories around both those innings. But Jerry,
Speaker 4: you played with and against Richard Hadley, and thirty five
Speaker 4: years ago the memories are still pretty strong about his
Speaker 4: achievements and I'm sure you have many fond memories of
Speaker 4: your times captaining him and playing with Sir.
Speaker 3: Richard absolutely wadds Yeah, I don't think the successes that
Speaker 3: we had would be anything like the memories without Richard
Speaker 3: in those games. Look, I first played against Richard at
Speaker 3: Logan Park in Dunedin in an underrating eighteen Braben tournament
Speaker 3: as it was called in those days. You remember that, fellas,
Speaker 3: but it was Wellington versus Canterbury. He was already working out.
Speaker 3: Am I going to be a paced sheer pace or
Speaker 3: am I going to be medium fast but chillingly accurate?
Speaker 3: And if you think of the two styles that he
Speaker 3: had right throughout those eighteen years you just mentioned Wadds,
Speaker 3: it kind of covers it covers it, doesn't it that
Speaker 3: first part that the shuffle at the top of his
Speaker 3: mark and racing in with the hair flying, and there's
Speaker 3: the emphasis on pace, and then later on the cutting
Speaker 3: down the run up to that shorter one and much
Speaker 3: more relaxed and cool and supreme accuracy. And really, I
Speaker 3: mean he kind of see greatness I think always requires
Speaker 3: we talk about he's a great player. It requires an
Speaker 3: aspect of longevity. You've got to do it. It's not
Speaker 3: about one performance. It's not about a single tournament that
Speaker 3: you've been in or a masterpiece of you know, it's
Speaker 3: about an accumulation of stuff. It's a life, it's a biography,
Speaker 3: it's a CV you know, it's Hadley was not only
Speaker 3: a person. To me, Hadley was a quality. You know,
Speaker 3: you you achieve, you can sometimes you look for achieving
Speaker 3: great things, you know, but Hadley, you know, I used
Speaker 3: to say to myself when I looked at players. Has
Speaker 3: he got the Hadley in them? Has he got the
Speaker 3: ability to go the full distance? The way that Richard
Speaker 3: didn't commit himself day after day after over after over,
Speaker 3: to winning, you know, and to achieve that what he
Speaker 3: wanted to do, and to still be unsatisfied. That was
Speaker 3: the bit to still want more. That was Richard to
Speaker 3: demand more from himself and to seek more and to
Speaker 3: get more. He constantly sought security, and he found it
Speaker 3: in the knowledge that well he had done more than
Speaker 3: anyone else, that that was against him and opposed him.
Speaker 3: He was constantly over the line first, wasn't he if
Speaker 3: it was a race? And I that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: how I think of him throwing that last dart of
Speaker 3: the evening and you've got to get double top, and
Speaker 3: he does it. It's not to do with the body, really,
Speaker 3: it's to do with your mind. And I always thought
Speaker 3: them of the absolute there's a word I want to use,
Speaker 3: cointessence of sport. You know, Hadley was the contessence of victory.
Speaker 3: So after playing with him for all those years and
Speaker 3: standing there watching him, you have to marvel at the
Speaker 3: way he approached, you know, the game and the skills
Speaker 3: that he had developed and the mind that he had developed,
Speaker 3: so he was worthled. I don't see players like that nowadays, wads.
Speaker 3: I don't see players. They're all very keen, of course
Speaker 3: they are. They've got all the coaches, of course they do.
Speaker 3: But that drive and that you know, skill that he had,
Speaker 3: I don't quite see that so often.
Speaker 2: Well, I was as a young, very old player. First
Speaker 2: Las faced the very very bustling, hard fast Richard Hadley
Speaker 2: and it was not comfortable at all. And then and
Speaker 2: then later on faced him off the shorter run, where
Speaker 2: I thought he was far more menacing because that ambling
Speaker 2: in and you could be thinking, oh god, they've got
Speaker 2: this under control. And then all of a sudden you'll
Speaker 2: get one about a yard and a half quicker, and
Speaker 2: and he's lining up. And I remember watching on television
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, you guys playing against I think England,
Speaker 2: and he's taken Graham Gooch early on two away, two away,
Speaker 2: got him on the back foot and then jams him
Speaker 2: with one coming back in LBW the most beautiful piece
Speaker 2: of bowling you could ever imagine. Three balls Graham Girt's
Speaker 2: god nought started a Test match. My god, what a player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he certainly had a lot in his arm, or
Speaker 4: he didn't he Jerry, I look back at the success
Speaker 4: that he had, and I was looking at some stats.
Speaker 4: Sixty four catches you took in test Curant twenty seven
Speaker 4: off Headley, Ian Smith, forty three catches off Richard Hadley.
Speaker 4: Others in the cordon probably added to those numbers. So
Speaker 4: he used the keeper slip cordon perfectly, didn't he?
Speaker 3: I guess was some of the conditions that we played,
Speaker 3: and you know, assisted him, which means you adapt to
Speaker 3: the to the to the conditions that are presented. But
Speaker 3: they're always slightly different pictures, so there was always just
Speaker 3: a different length. It took him a while to get
Speaker 3: used to Asian conditions, but he worked it out and
Speaker 3: he found the links that he was bowling. He'd beat
Speaker 3: the edge and we'd go down and we'd have a
Speaker 3: look on the pitch and see where the ball because
Speaker 3: you could see it where the ball was pitching left
Speaker 3: the mark, and you say, I do you think he
Speaker 3: should be a foot further up Richard, And he'd sort
Speaker 3: of think about that and go away, fine leg and think,
Speaker 3: and then sure enough, within three overs we would start
Speaker 3: We're in the game. And it was that's how clever
Speaker 3: he was. He could take a little handkerchief. People talk
Speaker 3: about bowling in the right areas, you know, but but
Speaker 3: he used to have a handkerchief, you know, quite a
Speaker 3: smaller woman's handkerchief, you know, those small ones, and he'd
Speaker 3: move it around and he would hit it. And so
Speaker 3: he always adapted. Yes, Wads, it was great to you know,
Speaker 3: not always great because sometimes you get the second new
Speaker 3: ball late on a cold Wellington afternoon and there would
Speaker 3: be Richard running with the breeze behind him, and your
Speaker 3: hands were cold, and you know, you didn't really put
Speaker 3: one down and you were imagining the ball flying low
Speaker 3: to your left and things like that, and you you know,
Speaker 3: but you knew you had to go, and you knew
Speaker 3: he was trying so hard, and you knew that you
Speaker 3: couldn't let him down. You couldn't let the tea because
Speaker 3: why do you think we bowled first? A lot of
Speaker 3: the time it was for Richard, you know, we have
Speaker 3: to be honest about that. That gave us our best
Speaker 3: chance of winning. And so you know he and don't
Speaker 3: forget his batting, you guys, you said three three hundred runs. Man,
Speaker 3: He played some very important innings for New Zealand. Don't
Speaker 3: forget his catching. He was a very good catcher at
Speaker 3: Gully and those areas goalkeeper and died. Remember that catcher.
Speaker 3: See they're starting to come back to with that catch
Speaker 3: in Wellington when he dived away to his left. What
Speaker 3: were you thinking about, Richard, I said, trying to find
Speaker 3: out some answer. Oh, I was looking at the cars
Speaker 3: coming out the tunnel.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And that was the kind of he was. He knew
Speaker 3: how to relax, he knew how to put his mind
Speaker 3: to it when he had to, great sportsman.
Speaker 2: If I remember watching him once sitting at the base
Speaker 2: and in the changing rooms, and I'm watching him catching
Speaker 2: something or running around to pick something up from the
Speaker 2: final egg. He was down there and he ran so
Speaker 2: gracefully like a pure athlete. And I just thought to
Speaker 2: myself he was actually a beautiful athlete in its purest sense.
Speaker 2: And I and and and then you then you put
Speaker 2: the you put the into the the the the the
Speaker 2: the mindfulness into how he went about what he did.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he put that together and the single mindedness of
Speaker 2: that created a fabulous phenomenal a performer, just truly a great.
Speaker 3: What what we were practicing at Wellington and it was
Speaker 3: windy and he wanted to get his run up right
Speaker 3: because he knew it was going to be a bit
Speaker 3: buffety the next day. And he got me a stopwatch,
Speaker 3: gave it to me, said, I want you to use
Speaker 3: the stopwatch from a runner and start and tell me
Speaker 3: how fast it is by the time I'd delivered the ball.
Speaker 3: And so he'd run in and I'd go five point
Speaker 3: three and he said nah, and he'd be, you know, disappointed,
Speaker 3: and back he'd go. And we did it for about
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe ten to fifteen times, and he
Speaker 3: got it down to about four point seven or something
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, he said, that's it. And so he
Speaker 3: was working out the rhythm he required to get and
Speaker 3: the pace he had to run to get from the
Speaker 3: top of his mark so that he was balanced and
Speaker 3: ready to go in the delivery stride. And he wanted
Speaker 3: to know that and he wanted to feel that, and
Speaker 3: he wanted to get it into his body, and until
Speaker 3: he could do it three or four times in a row,
Speaker 3: he was unhappy. That's the kind of thing I'm talking
Speaker 3: about about preparing and not allowing things to chance, and
Speaker 3: an athlete absolutely an athlete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a great athlete, yeah, and a great performer. Thirty
Speaker 4: five years ago this week he retired. And it's lovely
Speaker 4: now and again just to remember some of those moments.
Speaker 4: And Moose, you made the point, you know, one particular moment,
Speaker 4: but I mean you can look at any number of
Speaker 4: his performances, you know, and that's why he sits with
Speaker 4: the greats.
Speaker 2: And you're right, Jerry.
Speaker 4: You can say anybody's great, but I think Sir Richard
Speaker 4: Hadley sits in the true greats. And I always said
Speaker 4: in another platform that to bowl for my life, the
Speaker 4: team I wanted to bowl for my life was Richard
Speaker 4: Hadley Malcolm Marshall, and initially it was Dennis Lily, but
Speaker 4: I wanted a left armor, so Wassi Macram would be
Speaker 4: the bowlers that are both for my life.
Speaker 2: How does that go for three of the b I'll
Speaker 2: take that. Well.
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed, Moose, and I aren't there. Yeah, you were
Speaker 3: coming in with the slow slow the batsmen out. I
Speaker 3: tired the batsman out. Was they got disinterested either time
Speaker 3: she arrived. And Moose was even slower than me. Not
Speaker 3: many are, or work. He's certainly not slower than me
Speaker 3: at the around bloody London.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I will keep enjoy the Lord's Test.
Speaker 4: Be waiting to hear from you next week. Thanks Moose
Speaker 4: for sparing some time with us and sharing memories and
Speaker 4: your vision of cricket. I'm sure you'll be back with
Speaker 4: us on a future occasion to discuss the issues that
Speaker 4: we stash. And I'm just now going to go and
Speaker 4: wife will worth a few tears for poor old Jerry
Speaker 4: in London on his way to Lords Moose, will you join?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you pull yourself through and I hope you're okay Jerry.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's tough. It's tough fellas you know. I'll spend
Speaker 3: only half an hour at Harvey Nichols.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and have a cracking lunch while you're at it.
Speaker 3: Thanks boys, good to hear you both. Nice to nice
Speaker 3: your rooms. Nice to see the rooms behind you. Very key.
Speaker 3: We that's good.
Speaker 4: And it's nice not to see you Jerry.
Speaker 3: Yes, summer
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