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This 9 00:00:33,173 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 2: delivery has un used to go. 10 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 11 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks Dead b at iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:47,053 --> 00:00:47,893 Speaker 3: Oh we're back on the. 13 00:00:47,813 --> 00:00:51,213 Speaker 4: Front foot this week reflecting on what England won at 14 00:00:51,293 --> 00:00:55,173 Speaker 4: edgemusson yeap, the cost they wish they hadn't after that 15 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:58,933 Speaker 4: it was all India seemingly a mind of surprise and 16 00:00:59,013 --> 00:01:02,813 Speaker 4: the Black Cats squad for Zimbabwe. Remember this goes back 17 00:01:03,013 --> 00:01:06,373 Speaker 4: thirty five years this week for the last fall in 18 00:01:06,493 --> 00:01:08,293 Speaker 4: testns cricket for one of the greats. 19 00:01:09,133 --> 00:01:09,933 Speaker 2: But it's what's. 20 00:01:09,773 --> 00:01:12,813 Speaker 4: Going on at the moment that keeps our interest. The 21 00:01:12,853 --> 00:01:16,253 Speaker 4: Test series in England heard coming up pretty quick, no 22 00:01:16,493 --> 00:01:19,293 Speaker 4: time between those Test matters, and of course he's head 23 00:01:19,333 --> 00:01:23,893 Speaker 4: and heading off to the African continent to play Zimbarbwe 24 00:01:23,893 --> 00:01:27,693 Speaker 4: and South Africa. Jeremy Coney living the high life in 25 00:01:27,733 --> 00:01:30,813 Speaker 4: the heart of the United Kingdom, socializing with all the 26 00:01:30,853 --> 00:01:34,253 Speaker 4: movers and shakers and really to front up to Lords 27 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:38,173 Speaker 4: with his best clobber on Jerry, how are you going. 28 00:01:40,773 --> 00:01:45,573 Speaker 3: Hello, Wads? And that's that's really not what's happening at all. 29 00:01:46,213 --> 00:01:49,413 Speaker 3: I don't really have a clover. Well I do, but 30 00:01:49,613 --> 00:01:54,093 Speaker 3: not the kind you're actually meaning in that sentence. Yeah, 31 00:01:54,133 --> 00:01:57,653 Speaker 3: I am going. I'm heading off tomorrow to Lords for 32 00:01:57,733 --> 00:02:02,133 Speaker 3: this the third Test of what's proving to be an 33 00:02:02,133 --> 00:02:07,653 Speaker 3: interesting kind of series. Really, bowlers aren't enjoying it much, 34 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:14,733 Speaker 3: but it's mana pictures are interesting and there's a bit 35 00:02:14,733 --> 00:02:16,933 Speaker 3: of ye know, it's quite a following that. The crowds 36 00:02:16,933 --> 00:02:19,573 Speaker 3: are good. We've had two five day tests, so there 37 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:22,013 Speaker 3: we are. Let's hope we can do that again. 38 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:24,933 Speaker 4: Yeah. I got your old mate Moose with us as well. 39 00:02:25,253 --> 00:02:28,973 Speaker 4: Head lunch with them last week and we discussed talking 40 00:02:29,133 --> 00:02:31,973 Speaker 4: cricket this week Moose, Peter Holland, good to have you 41 00:02:32,053 --> 00:02:35,293 Speaker 4: back again with us. And you've been following the Test 42 00:02:35,293 --> 00:02:38,333 Speaker 4: match closely, of course, and I just wonder whether winning 43 00:02:38,333 --> 00:02:40,573 Speaker 4: the toss is not a good thing for England at 44 00:02:40,613 --> 00:02:42,573 Speaker 4: the moment. It seems to be putting them into danger. 45 00:02:42,853 --> 00:02:49,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, indeed, in Hello Brian and Jerry, it's interesting 46 00:02:49,813 --> 00:02:54,653 Speaker 2: because the English team seems to try to be perverse 47 00:02:55,453 --> 00:02:57,373 Speaker 2: if it was, if it was the orthodoxy, want to 48 00:02:57,413 --> 00:03:00,813 Speaker 2: do all times different and so therefore, you know, we 49 00:03:00,973 --> 00:03:03,413 Speaker 2: bat when we should actually, well we should bowl. Win 50 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:06,533 Speaker 2: your bat and you just got your head. Hey, it 51 00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:10,613 Speaker 2: worked on the first Test and and and by the way, 52 00:03:11,693 --> 00:03:14,373 Speaker 2: they have actually done a great thing for Test cricket 53 00:03:14,653 --> 00:03:17,053 Speaker 2: because we're all watching and that has to be a 54 00:03:17,053 --> 00:03:21,013 Speaker 2: good thing. But my lord, it did seem to backfire 55 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:24,573 Speaker 2: on pretty flat decks. Now, Jerry, you may have a 56 00:03:24,573 --> 00:03:26,093 Speaker 2: been of you you or that, because we don't have 57 00:03:26,133 --> 00:03:28,813 Speaker 2: a lot of sight of this over the side of 58 00:03:28,813 --> 00:03:29,253 Speaker 2: the world. 59 00:03:29,653 --> 00:03:34,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one, isn't it. Clearly the 60 00:03:34,213 --> 00:03:36,733 Speaker 3: toss in the end, as you look back, was very 61 00:03:36,773 --> 00:03:40,933 Speaker 3: important in the second Test match, very similar pitch. You 62 00:03:41,013 --> 00:03:45,813 Speaker 3: talk about that conditions always sort of drive games of cricket, 63 00:03:45,853 --> 00:03:48,693 Speaker 3: don't they, and the whole structure of the way that 64 00:03:48,773 --> 00:03:52,173 Speaker 3: they play the game. Here Stokes plans, you know, to 65 00:03:52,213 --> 00:03:55,973 Speaker 3: win the first Tests, and you know, and it came through. 66 00:03:57,973 --> 00:04:02,253 Speaker 3: And but this time he did exactly the same and 67 00:04:02,293 --> 00:04:05,093 Speaker 3: we got an entirely different results. This time. Of course, 68 00:04:05,173 --> 00:04:11,053 Speaker 3: India and the second Test didn't collapse in either innings, 69 00:04:11,733 --> 00:04:15,053 Speaker 3: and this time the pitch started to do a few 70 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:19,373 Speaker 3: things on the last day of the game, as it should, 71 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:25,413 Speaker 3: and England lost convincingly. In between, I've also been doing 72 00:04:25,453 --> 00:04:28,733 Speaker 3: a little bit of work in Surrey and they're similar 73 00:04:28,773 --> 00:04:33,373 Speaker 3: pictures as well. The pitches over here do not have 74 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:35,893 Speaker 3: what I call entropy, as I was saying to Wad's 75 00:04:35,973 --> 00:04:39,853 Speaker 3: last week, they do not deteriorate. They just stay the 76 00:04:39,893 --> 00:04:43,093 Speaker 3: same way and they get better if anything, and that 77 00:04:43,253 --> 00:04:47,373 Speaker 3: allows the Stokes kind of structure to come into it 78 00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:51,133 Speaker 3: a little bit because he can chase. In that second innings, 79 00:04:51,133 --> 00:04:54,053 Speaker 3: he knows the target and away they go. The problem 80 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:57,893 Speaker 3: in this test was it was a huge target, and 81 00:04:58,013 --> 00:05:03,253 Speaker 3: of course India quite smart really because they left them 82 00:05:03,293 --> 00:05:06,613 Speaker 3: so many runs you couldn't chase it down in the time, 83 00:05:07,213 --> 00:05:10,453 Speaker 3: and so it took them win and the idea of 84 00:05:10,493 --> 00:05:14,693 Speaker 3: the chase out of play, and it left them going nowhere. 85 00:05:15,373 --> 00:05:19,053 Speaker 3: You know, it left them sad and they didn't quite 86 00:05:19,173 --> 00:05:21,893 Speaker 3: know what to do. And as soon as you get 87 00:05:22,013 --> 00:05:25,333 Speaker 3: roots out, who's about the only batsman who can straddle 88 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:30,613 Speaker 3: the classical way of batting and then the new English 89 00:05:30,693 --> 00:05:33,893 Speaker 3: way of attack he's about the only one who can 90 00:05:33,933 --> 00:05:37,733 Speaker 3: do that as soon as he goes and if he 91 00:05:37,773 --> 00:05:42,133 Speaker 3: doesn't get runs and gets out early, then I'm afraid 92 00:05:42,453 --> 00:05:45,173 Speaker 3: you're left with guys not knowing quite what to do, 93 00:05:46,133 --> 00:05:49,253 Speaker 3: how to save a game. That kind of whole concept 94 00:05:49,813 --> 00:05:53,773 Speaker 3: isn't there with the English batting at the moment. So 95 00:05:53,853 --> 00:05:56,133 Speaker 3: that's what kind of happened, and we can talk about 96 00:05:56,173 --> 00:05:59,373 Speaker 3: it in more detail, but that's the general structure. Wickets 97 00:05:59,453 --> 00:06:06,573 Speaker 3: not actually deteriorating in the game. Why a good weather 98 00:06:07,373 --> 00:06:13,173 Speaker 3: b removing any sort of moisture from the whole park, 99 00:06:13,973 --> 00:06:17,613 Speaker 3: very fast outfields so that as soon as you have 100 00:06:17,853 --> 00:06:21,613 Speaker 3: rain here in England, it clears up, the moisture goes 101 00:06:21,773 --> 00:06:24,333 Speaker 3: like mad and you're back on the field, so you're 102 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:29,693 Speaker 3: getting players back onto the park. But that has ramifications 103 00:06:29,693 --> 00:06:31,693 Speaker 3: because they not only do it on the outfield, they 104 00:06:31,733 --> 00:06:35,133 Speaker 3: do it on the pitch and the block as well, 105 00:06:35,573 --> 00:06:39,853 Speaker 3: so moisture the pitch looks quite brown when the game starts. 106 00:06:40,773 --> 00:06:43,533 Speaker 3: They didn't have the bounce that they wanted. They want 107 00:06:43,573 --> 00:06:49,013 Speaker 3: bounce tall bowlers rather than skiddy Indian bowlers. 108 00:06:49,373 --> 00:06:54,533 Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting most that Ben Stokes basically said it seemed 109 00:06:54,573 --> 00:06:57,133 Speaker 4: like a subcontinent pitch, but that's his fault because he 110 00:06:57,173 --> 00:07:00,133 Speaker 4: could have used it first. But they're batting as such. 111 00:07:00,213 --> 00:07:03,693 Speaker 4: Every time they fail, Crawley and Pope come under the 112 00:07:03,893 --> 00:07:06,453 Speaker 4: microscope and everybody wants to get rid of them. And 113 00:07:06,493 --> 00:07:09,693 Speaker 4: even Smith, who batted superbly in the first hittings with 114 00:07:09,893 --> 00:07:12,733 Speaker 4: the one hundred and seventy odd and Brooke who play 115 00:07:12,813 --> 00:07:18,493 Speaker 4: that aggressive style, got some harsh words from the fans saying, oh, 116 00:07:18,653 --> 00:07:20,773 Speaker 4: don't they know how to save a Test? So, I mean, 117 00:07:21,373 --> 00:07:22,933 Speaker 4: what do you want from your batters? 118 00:07:23,453 --> 00:07:28,373 Speaker 2: Isn't it perplexing that the pundits and the critics in 119 00:07:28,413 --> 00:07:31,933 Speaker 2: England they were very quiet after the first Test, weren't 120 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:33,853 Speaker 2: they who didn't hear any of this? Did we right? 121 00:07:35,813 --> 00:07:40,813 Speaker 2: And yeah, after this match all of a sudden, oh 122 00:07:40,893 --> 00:07:44,453 Speaker 2: my lord, you know Pope gets a hundred in the 123 00:07:44,493 --> 00:07:48,053 Speaker 2: first Test. Probably, yeah, he's been under under some pressure, 124 00:07:48,333 --> 00:07:53,653 Speaker 2: gets runs. That's how they're playing. What the pundits seem 125 00:07:53,733 --> 00:07:56,893 Speaker 2: to forget is that the last two matches have been 126 00:07:56,893 --> 00:08:00,333 Speaker 2: five days and have been sold out, and people are 127 00:08:00,373 --> 00:08:04,773 Speaker 2: watching and they're intrigued and they've all got opinions whether 128 00:08:04,773 --> 00:08:08,093 Speaker 2: it's right or wrong. This has to be the best 129 00:08:08,093 --> 00:08:10,813 Speaker 2: thing about it. How do we regenerate interest in the 130 00:08:10,893 --> 00:08:13,853 Speaker 2: in the in the game that I frankly we all love, 131 00:08:13,893 --> 00:08:17,293 Speaker 2: which is good test cricket, And yet they're so quick 132 00:08:18,013 --> 00:08:21,733 Speaker 2: to start to put the boot in as soon as 133 00:08:21,733 --> 00:08:26,173 Speaker 2: it goes wrong at the ten and the Times overnight, 134 00:08:26,653 --> 00:08:29,213 Speaker 2: I'm reading him and it's in some respects he was 135 00:08:29,293 --> 00:08:32,653 Speaker 2: quite good but just couldn't wait. And I may no 136 00:08:32,813 --> 00:08:36,053 Speaker 2: dot what it is, whether it's sort of anti Antie McCallum, 137 00:08:36,093 --> 00:08:40,093 Speaker 2: anti Stokes, but there just seems to be this rejection 138 00:08:40,333 --> 00:08:44,413 Speaker 2: of of really intriguing games. And we're talking about it 139 00:08:44,413 --> 00:08:48,373 Speaker 2: now because we're looking forward to this next match because 140 00:08:48,373 --> 00:08:51,253 Speaker 2: we don't know what's going to unfold. They've created this uncertainty, 141 00:08:51,293 --> 00:08:54,533 Speaker 2: this wonderful chance. How's it going to play out? 142 00:08:55,773 --> 00:08:57,653 Speaker 4: Who's going to make the changes to one of the 143 00:08:57,693 --> 00:09:00,693 Speaker 4: things that they talk about in terms of England. At 144 00:09:00,693 --> 00:09:05,293 Speaker 4: the moment, I thought the England attack lacked some venom. 145 00:09:06,333 --> 00:09:10,493 Speaker 4: Anderson wants Archer, Beeca Atkinson has to come and they say, 146 00:09:10,493 --> 00:09:13,013 Speaker 4: but there's a danger there for them, isn't there? Because 147 00:09:13,133 --> 00:09:17,013 Speaker 4: neither of those guys have played Red Bull cricket. Archer 148 00:09:17,013 --> 00:09:18,453 Speaker 4: hasn't played for four years. 149 00:09:18,493 --> 00:09:21,693 Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes, that's right, Wads. It's a bit 150 00:09:21,693 --> 00:09:24,053 Speaker 3: of a concern when if you're going to play them 151 00:09:24,093 --> 00:09:27,773 Speaker 3: both and they're both coming back and they prepare the 152 00:09:27,813 --> 00:09:31,053 Speaker 3: same sorts of pictures. We've seen sixteen hundred and ninety 153 00:09:31,053 --> 00:09:34,853 Speaker 3: two runs in the first Test, sixteen hundred and seventy 154 00:09:34,893 --> 00:09:38,093 Speaker 3: three runs, seven hundreds and are ninety nine or something 155 00:09:38,213 --> 00:09:41,133 Speaker 3: like that, and sorry that's the first Test. Second Test 156 00:09:41,453 --> 00:09:44,773 Speaker 3: three hundreds and one, two hundred, big two hundred, so 157 00:09:45,053 --> 00:09:49,893 Speaker 3: lots of runs. Batsman enjoying the situation now for Archer, 158 00:09:50,013 --> 00:09:56,293 Speaker 3: who's a who's a terrific bowler really and England kind 159 00:09:56,333 --> 00:10:00,373 Speaker 3: of ruined him in the first sort of you know, 160 00:10:01,093 --> 00:10:04,293 Speaker 3: you know section of his Test career where they tried 161 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:07,293 Speaker 3: to make him to bowl fast, faster and faster and 162 00:10:07,373 --> 00:10:11,533 Speaker 3: also longer, longer, and they injured him, of course. And 163 00:10:12,133 --> 00:10:15,333 Speaker 3: so now it's been four years, how will he go? 164 00:10:15,413 --> 00:10:19,453 Speaker 3: How many overs a day will he bowl? Sixteen seventeen 165 00:10:19,493 --> 00:10:21,653 Speaker 3: around about? I would have thought not too much more. 166 00:10:22,333 --> 00:10:25,173 Speaker 3: And if you have Atkinson who's just coming back and 167 00:10:25,213 --> 00:10:28,413 Speaker 3: returning from injury, you've got two guys, how many overs 168 00:10:28,413 --> 00:10:31,493 Speaker 3: can he bowl if you want to keep him fit? 169 00:10:32,133 --> 00:10:34,773 Speaker 3: And does that mean in fact, you've got to play 170 00:10:34,813 --> 00:10:37,733 Speaker 3: Wokes again because he's about the only one who can 171 00:10:37,773 --> 00:10:42,733 Speaker 3: bowl lots of overs in that attack, and Stokes has 172 00:10:42,773 --> 00:10:46,053 Speaker 3: bowled quite a few overs as well, so in the 173 00:10:46,093 --> 00:10:50,293 Speaker 3: attempts to get India out, but they're putting them in first, 174 00:10:50,333 --> 00:10:53,293 Speaker 3: and they're giving the best, giving the best batting conditions away. 175 00:10:54,053 --> 00:10:59,533 Speaker 2: Although and jury on that point about Wokes, I'm an 176 00:10:59,613 --> 00:11:02,453 Speaker 2: absolute fan of him, but once she had three wigs 177 00:11:02,493 --> 00:11:06,213 Speaker 2: are on average of ninety six in the series, and 178 00:11:06,413 --> 00:11:09,773 Speaker 2: he's had great success at Lord's and you can be 179 00:11:09,893 --> 00:11:15,293 Speaker 2: trapped into the comp the idea that perhaps what should 180 00:11:15,293 --> 00:11:18,693 Speaker 2: play at Lord's, but he he just seems to come 181 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:22,733 Speaker 2: on to the bat. And the other person that's been 182 00:11:22,733 --> 00:11:25,973 Speaker 2: talked about as a chap called Sam Cook, who you know, 183 00:11:26,013 --> 00:11:28,333 Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that either, because he's had one 184 00:11:28,373 --> 00:11:31,733 Speaker 2: test and that was a great eye that I think 185 00:11:31,773 --> 00:11:36,893 Speaker 2: Atkinson is the one can play that comes on and 186 00:11:36,973 --> 00:11:40,453 Speaker 2: actually hits the bat quite hard, but it seems to 187 00:11:40,453 --> 00:11:42,773 Speaker 2: be more robust. I don't think Archie can get through 188 00:11:42,773 --> 00:11:45,653 Speaker 2: more than fifteen hours a day. Frankly, that would be 189 00:11:45,653 --> 00:11:48,493 Speaker 2: a stretch, and I'll be surprised. I think they've got 190 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:50,613 Speaker 2: some challenges. 191 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:55,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. They certainly have those challenges. 192 00:11:55,973 --> 00:11:57,813 Speaker 3: I just think if you're going to play them both, 193 00:11:58,613 --> 00:12:01,373 Speaker 3: I think they're very keen to get Archer into the mix. 194 00:12:02,573 --> 00:12:06,573 Speaker 3: Cars looks injured. He's got a toe problem and he's 195 00:12:06,813 --> 00:12:10,093 Speaker 3: limping as soon as he's not bowling. He's limping quite 196 00:12:10,133 --> 00:12:13,733 Speaker 3: a lot in the field, and and he's had quite 197 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:14,773 Speaker 3: a heavy workload. 198 00:12:14,853 --> 00:12:15,413 Speaker 2: He works. 199 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:18,813 Speaker 3: He's a nice bowler. Actually, he's a good should the bowler. Yeah, 200 00:12:18,973 --> 00:12:23,013 Speaker 3: but he's what's what was interesting about that last Test match. 201 00:12:23,093 --> 00:12:26,133 Speaker 3: They're the difference between the England bowlers, who are taller 202 00:12:27,013 --> 00:12:32,853 Speaker 3: than the Indian counterparts, and they and the fact that 203 00:12:32,893 --> 00:12:35,773 Speaker 3: they they pitched the ball up to a different lengths. 204 00:12:35,933 --> 00:12:40,093 Speaker 3: They're skiddy, they're shorter, they kiss the pitch rather than 205 00:12:40,373 --> 00:12:44,053 Speaker 3: bang it in the way the English methods are. And 206 00:12:44,133 --> 00:12:46,413 Speaker 3: they didn't like the pace of the pitch England they 207 00:12:46,413 --> 00:12:50,293 Speaker 3: wanted more bounds. Well, you know, they are ordering pictures towards, 208 00:12:50,413 --> 00:12:53,053 Speaker 3: you know, to you know, that's like a tailored suit 209 00:12:53,533 --> 00:12:56,093 Speaker 3: that you've got to you know, wear and have everybody 210 00:12:56,213 --> 00:13:01,453 Speaker 3: day and every game. Yeah. Well, I'm sure most of 211 00:13:01,453 --> 00:13:03,733 Speaker 3: them have got four or five in there in their 212 00:13:03,773 --> 00:13:08,573 Speaker 3: wardrobe most a cash deep. I mean, what a very 213 00:13:08,573 --> 00:13:11,333 Speaker 3: good addition he was to the Indian side. I don't 214 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:14,693 Speaker 3: know whether you enjoyed watching him, but he hit the 215 00:13:15,173 --> 00:13:18,493 Speaker 3: hit the pitch closer to the stumps about five meters 216 00:13:19,093 --> 00:13:22,693 Speaker 3: and therefore reduced the time the batsmen had to play 217 00:13:23,653 --> 00:13:26,533 Speaker 3: and therefore exposed their pads because a lot of the 218 00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:28,893 Speaker 3: English bat in front of their stumps quite a lot. 219 00:13:29,693 --> 00:13:33,293 Speaker 3: And he got the ball coming from out to in 220 00:13:33,493 --> 00:13:36,373 Speaker 3: from outside a right hand as off stump angling back 221 00:13:36,413 --> 00:13:39,853 Speaker 3: in from bowling a little bit wider. The batsmen didn't 222 00:13:39,893 --> 00:13:42,773 Speaker 3: have time to intercept the ball so much and they 223 00:13:42,773 --> 00:13:45,133 Speaker 3: got either they missed it and got an inside edge 224 00:13:45,133 --> 00:13:47,933 Speaker 3: into the into their stumps. I thought he was a 225 00:13:47,933 --> 00:13:51,253 Speaker 3: clever bowler. Actually he got the most out of the 226 00:13:51,293 --> 00:13:55,093 Speaker 3: surface of anybody. When the cracks just started to occur 227 00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:58,933 Speaker 3: in that last day, bowls about eighty four to eighty 228 00:13:59,053 --> 00:14:02,053 Speaker 3: seven miles an hour, So that's well, I don't know 229 00:14:02,053 --> 00:14:04,613 Speaker 3: about one forty five that sort of pace for New 230 00:14:04,733 --> 00:14:11,933 Speaker 3: Zealand people, the new ball especially. But he's clever, you know, 231 00:14:11,973 --> 00:14:14,013 Speaker 3: when he who was asked to bowl a short pitch 232 00:14:14,093 --> 00:14:18,813 Speaker 3: bowling stuff that they use as a method and he gave. 233 00:14:19,493 --> 00:14:21,933 Speaker 3: He gave Jamie Smith two of them, just a normal 234 00:14:22,013 --> 00:14:25,853 Speaker 3: pace and he pulled those easily for six. And then 235 00:14:25,893 --> 00:14:28,253 Speaker 3: the third one he took all the pace off the ball. 236 00:14:28,293 --> 00:14:31,453 Speaker 3: It was a slower ball another bouncer, and he had 237 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,773 Speaker 3: to wait and reach for it and he didn't get 238 00:14:33,773 --> 00:14:36,133 Speaker 3: it to the boundary and was caught out. Clever bowling, 239 00:14:36,773 --> 00:14:41,973 Speaker 3: clever changes of pace, very effective, good addition. 240 00:14:42,253 --> 00:14:46,013 Speaker 2: And interestingly, Jerry in the second innings he bought twenty 241 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:51,453 Speaker 2: one overs. Yeah, well, and everyone else bowed twelve and 242 00:14:51,573 --> 00:14:56,373 Speaker 2: fourteen overs. He bought twenty one. That's what I don't 243 00:14:56,413 --> 00:15:00,693 Speaker 2: think Archer can do. He can't. That's not going to happen, 244 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,213 Speaker 2: is it. So I agree with you. I think this 245 00:15:03,253 --> 00:15:09,933 Speaker 2: has been applaud the Indians for the position that they've made, 246 00:15:10,533 --> 00:15:15,453 Speaker 2: are moving away from row heads Coli, and they moved 247 00:15:15,493 --> 00:15:20,973 Speaker 2: on and they're bringing new players in. That contrasts greatly 248 00:15:21,053 --> 00:15:23,933 Speaker 2: with where we are in our game frankly at the moment. 249 00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:28,533 Speaker 2: But I applaud them, and she can't wait for them, 250 00:15:28,733 --> 00:15:29,733 Speaker 2: all right? Lord? 251 00:15:30,933 --> 00:15:34,013 Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing in the batting particularly, I mean 252 00:15:34,093 --> 00:15:37,133 Speaker 3: I've mentioned all those runs that have been scored a 253 00:15:37,213 --> 00:15:40,933 Speaker 3: hell of a lot of runs. You know, obviously the 254 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:45,533 Speaker 3: bowlers aren't enjoying it quite so much generally, but the 255 00:15:45,533 --> 00:15:48,253 Speaker 3: Indian top order, I don't know what, you guys have 256 00:15:48,373 --> 00:15:50,853 Speaker 3: a feeling in you when you watch them. I just 257 00:15:50,893 --> 00:15:54,253 Speaker 3: got a feeling that Indian top order Jace while Rajall 258 00:15:54,333 --> 00:15:56,973 Speaker 3: they have trouble at three a bit, they're getting that 259 00:15:57,173 --> 00:16:01,173 Speaker 3: guy nigh in there, but then they have girls and 260 00:16:01,613 --> 00:16:04,213 Speaker 3: they just look a bit more organized at the top 261 00:16:04,773 --> 00:16:10,253 Speaker 3: and a little less frenetic, especially when ball moves, And 262 00:16:10,933 --> 00:16:14,653 Speaker 3: it just seems to me the key, the key player. 263 00:16:15,573 --> 00:16:19,493 Speaker 3: They're facing enough overs those Indian top order, so that 264 00:16:19,653 --> 00:16:22,533 Speaker 3: when Guild comes in. I mean I looked at the 265 00:16:22,573 --> 00:16:25,413 Speaker 3: figures and it was twenty four overs in the first 266 00:16:25,413 --> 00:16:27,933 Speaker 3: innings of this last match before Guild walked to the 267 00:16:28,013 --> 00:16:31,053 Speaker 3: crease it was twenty three overs and the second innings 268 00:16:31,093 --> 00:16:33,613 Speaker 3: when he went to the crease, And so he's had 269 00:16:33,653 --> 00:16:37,453 Speaker 3: about an hour and a half cricket bowling, and you've 270 00:16:37,493 --> 00:16:41,213 Speaker 3: got the third and the fourth bowlers on at that time. 271 00:16:41,933 --> 00:16:46,453 Speaker 3: And it just seemed to me that was advantage India 272 00:16:47,773 --> 00:16:51,533 Speaker 3: because when root by comparison, who bats the same number 273 00:16:52,093 --> 00:16:55,493 Speaker 3: number four for England, he went in in the last 274 00:16:55,613 --> 00:16:59,173 Speaker 3: Test in the third over in the first innings and 275 00:16:59,253 --> 00:17:02,893 Speaker 3: the fifth over in the second innings, and Root is 276 00:17:02,933 --> 00:17:06,253 Speaker 3: having to face that new ball and he's not quite 277 00:17:06,293 --> 00:17:10,293 Speaker 3: getting the runs. Obviously, the gill Is and the Indian 278 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:13,373 Speaker 3: bowlers at that stage are fresh, they've still got a 279 00:17:13,373 --> 00:17:17,613 Speaker 3: new ball, they've had early success in picking up wickets. 280 00:17:17,973 --> 00:17:20,293 Speaker 3: Maybe there's a slip catch and so the whole team 281 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:24,613 Speaker 3: feel as though they're in the game. Somehow. England have 282 00:17:24,733 --> 00:17:30,013 Speaker 3: to find a way to remove gill and that's not 283 00:17:30,093 --> 00:17:34,293 Speaker 3: an easy question. How have you enjoyed watching him, you guys. 284 00:17:34,693 --> 00:17:36,853 Speaker 4: We'd love to be watching him, but unfortunately you can't 285 00:17:36,893 --> 00:17:39,213 Speaker 4: watch here in New Zealand. Sky doesn't think that it's 286 00:17:39,253 --> 00:17:41,853 Speaker 4: worth putting the Test series on. We're having to get 287 00:17:41,893 --> 00:17:46,173 Speaker 4: it off pirate videos from around the world and that 288 00:17:46,293 --> 00:17:51,053 Speaker 4: drives me to distraction. But I've enjoyed what they've done 289 00:17:51,413 --> 00:17:56,213 Speaker 4: and it's certainly going to produce a challenging match at 290 00:17:56,253 --> 00:17:58,653 Speaker 4: Lords because we don't expect Lords to be much different 291 00:17:58,693 --> 00:18:01,613 Speaker 4: than a traditional Lord's pitch. I don't think they can 292 00:18:01,653 --> 00:18:03,893 Speaker 4: do much between the second and third pitch to get 293 00:18:03,893 --> 00:18:05,573 Speaker 4: it to change. 294 00:18:05,693 --> 00:18:06,293 Speaker 3: So we'll be. 295 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:09,693 Speaker 4: Watching the outcome and we'll probably need to have a 296 00:18:09,773 --> 00:18:12,293 Speaker 4: fuller commentary. In fact, we might have to extend this 297 00:18:12,373 --> 00:18:15,493 Speaker 4: program to five days, Jerry, so that we can find 298 00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:16,413 Speaker 4: out what's going on. 299 00:18:17,413 --> 00:18:21,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well that's a shame you can't watch. He's 300 00:18:21,013 --> 00:18:27,613 Speaker 3: a beautiful batsman, organized, you know, simple movements, very strong 301 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:30,813 Speaker 3: forward defense and that's what he bases his game around. 302 00:18:31,413 --> 00:18:35,773 Speaker 3: Hands close to the body. But you know, never appears 303 00:18:35,813 --> 00:18:40,213 Speaker 3: to overhit the ball at all, plays short balls nice 304 00:18:40,293 --> 00:18:43,973 Speaker 3: and calmly, doesn't overhit and generally you know, the full 305 00:18:44,013 --> 00:18:47,093 Speaker 3: face of the bat and a voracious hunger to keep 306 00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:49,133 Speaker 3: going and keep going and keep going. 307 00:18:49,453 --> 00:18:53,133 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 308 00:18:53,413 --> 00:18:54,213 Speaker 3: What we will be. 309 00:18:54,173 --> 00:18:57,853 Speaker 4: Able to see on our television screens is New Zealand 310 00:18:57,893 --> 00:19:02,533 Speaker 4: playing Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe, who had a close one, almost conceded 311 00:19:02,573 --> 00:19:06,333 Speaker 4: the highest score in Test match cricket to Vienne Mulder 312 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:08,933 Speaker 4: who struggled to get in the South African side, and 313 00:19:09,013 --> 00:19:13,693 Speaker 4: he declared, rather than knockover Brian Lara's score, well, we're 314 00:19:13,693 --> 00:19:18,053 Speaker 4: going to be playing against the Zimbabwe's and the South Africans, 315 00:19:18,093 --> 00:19:21,893 Speaker 4: firstly in a white ball series and secondly in a 316 00:19:21,973 --> 00:19:27,053 Speaker 4: Test series against Zimbabwe. Fairly predictable side, Moose, Matthew Fisher 317 00:19:27,373 --> 00:19:31,693 Speaker 4: Pace they've opted for Pace Sears, isn't there? Jamison's staying 318 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:34,253 Speaker 4: at home because of the birth of his first child, 319 00:19:34,333 --> 00:19:37,813 Speaker 4: so that's fair enough, I guess, and he's been out 320 00:19:37,853 --> 00:19:40,653 Speaker 4: of but he'll probably be on the bench. I would imagine. 321 00:19:40,653 --> 00:19:43,813 Speaker 4: The Test side is pretty straightforward, isn't it. 322 00:19:43,813 --> 00:19:48,493 Speaker 2: It is it is, But I really think, and it's 323 00:19:48,533 --> 00:19:50,773 Speaker 2: a bit of an old chest out there, why do 324 00:19:50,893 --> 00:19:54,933 Speaker 2: we need to pick Henry Nichols? It's a test mess 325 00:19:54,933 --> 00:19:59,293 Speaker 2: series where it doesn't come off a World Championship points 326 00:19:59,413 --> 00:20:03,773 Speaker 2: or whatever that is. Why aren't we providing the opportunity? 327 00:20:04,373 --> 00:20:06,773 Speaker 2: We know what Henry Nichols can do, you know? I 328 00:20:06,853 --> 00:20:10,893 Speaker 2: call him Harvey Nichols frankly, very expensive shop in the 329 00:20:10,973 --> 00:20:15,333 Speaker 2: King's Road of London. Too expensive, and we do need him, 330 00:20:15,373 --> 00:20:18,853 Speaker 2: So there you go, Henry. I think we know what 331 00:20:18,853 --> 00:20:21,053 Speaker 2: we've got. We don't need that. If we need it, 332 00:20:21,133 --> 00:20:23,173 Speaker 2: we can get him a lot of point. But can 333 00:20:23,213 --> 00:20:29,693 Speaker 2: we please? Where's Nick Kelly, where's Mario? Where are several 334 00:20:29,733 --> 00:20:33,373 Speaker 2: other players? And they probably they're probably scratching their heads, now, 335 00:20:33,573 --> 00:20:37,253 Speaker 2: what's the opportunity here? I'm so disappointed about that. And 336 00:20:37,293 --> 00:20:39,613 Speaker 2: I don't want to climb on Henry Nichols because he's 337 00:20:40,293 --> 00:20:44,213 Speaker 2: been a good player. What happened is people come out 338 00:20:44,813 --> 00:20:47,453 Speaker 2: and probably get one hundred and then that will be 339 00:20:47,493 --> 00:20:50,413 Speaker 2: the basis of him staying in the squad against him 340 00:20:50,453 --> 00:20:53,693 Speaker 2: badwe I mean, I mean, it just seems a real 341 00:20:53,733 --> 00:20:57,413 Speaker 2: disappointment putting it to one side on please Patel us 342 00:20:57,453 --> 00:21:00,933 Speaker 2: in there as an extra spinner. I like the fact 343 00:21:00,973 --> 00:21:05,373 Speaker 2: that they've gone with Fisher, who bowls high one in 344 00:21:05,413 --> 00:21:09,013 Speaker 2: the mid one forties, and actually I saw him playing 345 00:21:09,053 --> 00:21:13,933 Speaker 2: as Wellington back in March and he's certainly brisk, so 346 00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:16,733 Speaker 2: I like all of that. But I just ge wiz, 347 00:21:16,973 --> 00:21:23,493 Speaker 2: I mean, do we need that I'm not playing No. 348 00:21:24,173 --> 00:21:25,973 Speaker 4: I think you make a fair point because we had 349 00:21:25,973 --> 00:21:28,933 Speaker 4: an a team go to Bangladesh and Nick Kelly was 350 00:21:28,933 --> 00:21:31,933 Speaker 4: a star two centuries and that they won the series one. 351 00:21:32,013 --> 00:21:35,493 Speaker 4: Nill Carter was also in that side Murray who was 352 00:21:35,533 --> 00:21:38,573 Speaker 4: a defend you know, as a player who's developing, and 353 00:21:38,613 --> 00:21:40,813 Speaker 4: of course there's moa Best didn't have a good tour, 354 00:21:40,853 --> 00:21:42,813 Speaker 4: But why do we need to go to a thirty 355 00:21:42,853 --> 00:21:45,533 Speaker 4: four year old when there are developing players. It's not 356 00:21:45,573 --> 00:21:48,453 Speaker 4: a developmental tour. But it's a good chance to use 357 00:21:48,453 --> 00:21:50,813 Speaker 4: some of those guys. Surely, Jerry, what's the point of 358 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:51,373 Speaker 4: a B tour? 359 00:21:52,173 --> 00:21:55,773 Speaker 3: I can't disagree with the points you've made, Lads. If 360 00:21:55,813 --> 00:21:59,413 Speaker 3: he does get runs or really if he goes well, 361 00:21:59,213 --> 00:22:02,853 Speaker 3: we are we preparing him for the future. No, he's 362 00:22:03,413 --> 00:22:06,053 Speaker 3: played very well for New Zealand at times, no doubt 363 00:22:06,093 --> 00:22:09,453 Speaker 3: about that. But it is time for youth. And it 364 00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:14,133 Speaker 3: seems there's a smell of developmental around generally, not just 365 00:22:14,293 --> 00:22:18,013 Speaker 3: obviously not this side, but generally around the game. Isn't 366 00:22:18,053 --> 00:22:20,933 Speaker 3: there more A tours? The women's tours are going away 367 00:22:21,093 --> 00:22:23,653 Speaker 3: and so on. So that's a good that's a good 368 00:22:23,693 --> 00:22:27,253 Speaker 3: thing that we're starting to look in that direction. And 369 00:22:27,333 --> 00:22:32,133 Speaker 3: I'm not sure whether whether Henry you know, Nichols is 370 00:22:32,293 --> 00:22:35,373 Speaker 3: the future any longer. Maybe he's there for the one 371 00:22:35,453 --> 00:22:37,733 Speaker 3: day games wads and not sure. I can't see him 372 00:22:37,733 --> 00:22:41,613 Speaker 3: getting in the Test side after Layth and Conway, Young Mitchell, 373 00:22:41,733 --> 00:22:45,093 Speaker 3: Ravendra Phillips. It's all pretty and blundled, it's all kind 374 00:22:45,093 --> 00:22:48,013 Speaker 3: of set there. They're all there, those players I know 375 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,973 Speaker 3: that you know, Williamson's not there, and there's no brace 376 00:22:51,013 --> 00:22:52,813 Speaker 3: Well and that sort of thing, and Wadds has mentioned 377 00:22:52,853 --> 00:22:56,093 Speaker 3: the others. Yes, Patell is there. There's going to be 378 00:22:56,093 --> 00:22:59,893 Speaker 3: an interesting choice by guests between Patel and Santna if 379 00:22:59,933 --> 00:23:03,373 Speaker 3: they want more batting or not. Smith's had a good 380 00:23:03,413 --> 00:23:07,613 Speaker 3: couple of games in England again for Surrey, just picked 381 00:23:07,653 --> 00:23:12,013 Speaker 3: up six weeks. It's at a game at Worcester. There's 382 00:23:12,093 --> 00:23:15,093 Speaker 3: Duffy there. He's there for the first time, which is great. 383 00:23:15,413 --> 00:23:18,093 Speaker 3: And fish as you've mentioned fish Eye. I don't know 384 00:23:18,213 --> 00:23:20,693 Speaker 3: quite so much about him, but I like the fact 385 00:23:20,693 --> 00:23:24,453 Speaker 3: that he's there and that he's got nearly four wickets 386 00:23:24,453 --> 00:23:28,213 Speaker 3: a match and the in the first class games that 387 00:23:28,253 --> 00:23:30,973 Speaker 3: he's played already. And then you've got Matt Henry and 388 00:23:30,973 --> 00:23:36,693 Speaker 3: O'Rourke so at Bulawayo was clearly you know they'll probably 389 00:23:36,733 --> 00:23:39,533 Speaker 3: be playing there. There's been lots of runs scored against 390 00:23:39,613 --> 00:23:43,693 Speaker 3: Zimbabwe generally. I mean they played one match in England 391 00:23:43,693 --> 00:23:46,893 Speaker 3: at trent Bridge and that was a three day affair. 392 00:23:47,493 --> 00:23:51,653 Speaker 3: They have the older guys, don't they, you Fellas they've 393 00:23:51,693 --> 00:23:55,653 Speaker 3: got is it it's Irvine, isn't it. And they've got 394 00:23:55,693 --> 00:24:01,213 Speaker 3: Sean Williams. They've got Muzzakis he's still there too, that's interesting. 395 00:24:01,853 --> 00:24:05,653 Speaker 3: And they're the guys that they basically rely on. Yeah, 396 00:24:05,733 --> 00:24:09,053 Speaker 3: Molder three hundred and sixty four. I saw that, and 397 00:24:09,133 --> 00:24:11,693 Speaker 3: I think the coach said to him, do not go 398 00:24:11,773 --> 00:24:16,773 Speaker 3: out and you do not pass legends, which means, of 399 00:24:16,813 --> 00:24:19,653 Speaker 3: course Lara in this case having four hundred in the 400 00:24:19,693 --> 00:24:24,213 Speaker 3: Test match, and he followed the coach's advice. Stekonderaza is 401 00:24:24,253 --> 00:24:28,413 Speaker 3: another one, isn't he. He's another player there. So you know, 402 00:24:28,693 --> 00:24:31,933 Speaker 3: I'm not sure how New Zealand will go. I hope 403 00:24:31,973 --> 00:24:35,573 Speaker 3: they go well. I hope the Batsmen fill their boots 404 00:24:36,253 --> 00:24:40,493 Speaker 3: and we'll see if we're able to bowl Zimbabwe out twice. 405 00:24:40,613 --> 00:24:42,813 Speaker 3: That will be the key thing, won't it in that series? 406 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:47,293 Speaker 2: Yees correct? But I just remain disappointed. I'd like to 407 00:24:47,333 --> 00:24:51,693 Speaker 2: see some new young players, including that squad, to give 408 00:24:51,733 --> 00:24:55,213 Speaker 2: them a chance to play Test cricket, and it hasn't happened, 409 00:24:56,133 --> 00:24:58,253 Speaker 2: and that's really disappointing in my opinion. 410 00:24:58,613 --> 00:25:02,333 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 411 00:25:02,773 --> 00:25:05,533 Speaker 4: Finally this week, remember this, I do. 412 00:25:05,973 --> 00:25:06,613 Speaker 3: I was there. 413 00:25:07,093 --> 00:25:10,133 Speaker 4: Memories are made the achievements of great players, and thirty 414 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:12,733 Speaker 4: five years ago this week, one of the greats ended 415 00:25:12,813 --> 00:25:16,053 Speaker 4: his career the way he performed for eighteen years. He 416 00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:20,213 Speaker 4: bowed his last ball and Taste Cricket walked into retirement 417 00:25:20,293 --> 00:25:23,093 Speaker 4: with statistics that mark him down with many of the 418 00:25:23,293 --> 00:25:23,933 Speaker 4: other greats. 419 00:25:24,253 --> 00:25:29,213 Speaker 5: Well, how's your Burlington and he plays a doublin he's 420 00:25:29,293 --> 00:25:35,053 Speaker 5: out pushing forward Missywood. Hardley appeals on Herdley has taken 421 00:25:35,093 --> 00:25:36,573 Speaker 5: them five. 422 00:25:36,373 --> 00:25:39,573 Speaker 2: Brigads for fifty to fifty. 423 00:25:39,213 --> 00:25:41,613 Speaker 5: Three, five for fifty three. 424 00:25:42,053 --> 00:25:44,053 Speaker 6: Here is Malcolm round the wicked now he's in. 425 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:45,853 Speaker 5: He bos to have egging both. 426 00:25:45,733 --> 00:25:50,453 Speaker 6: Him, Hadley moved away, had a god carve and bearing 427 00:25:50,453 --> 00:25:52,293 Speaker 6: out all that Fred Rumman said in the last hour 428 00:25:52,373 --> 00:25:54,693 Speaker 6: he didn't fansy that too much. And he is out 429 00:25:54,773 --> 00:25:57,853 Speaker 6: bold Malcolm for thirteen And we're now going to watch 430 00:25:57,933 --> 00:26:00,573 Speaker 6: one of the great figures of the world leave the 431 00:26:01,053 --> 00:26:03,813 Speaker 6: arena that he has graced so splendidly for the last 432 00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:06,253 Speaker 6: eighteen years. He's going to leave it for the last time. 433 00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:09,453 Speaker 6: And as he comes off, everyone in the ground rising 434 00:26:09,493 --> 00:26:12,373 Speaker 6: to their feat. So rigin have their bow. Then by 435 00:26:12,413 --> 00:26:15,493 Speaker 6: Devin Malcolm with thirteen even of the four score, when 436 00:26:15,493 --> 00:26:16,573 Speaker 6: he's even one age. 437 00:26:16,373 --> 00:26:18,293 Speaker 4: Of the seat a wicket with his last ball, and 438 00:26:18,373 --> 00:26:22,533 Speaker 4: Test Cricket completing his thirty sixth five wicket haul, four 439 00:26:22,613 --> 00:26:27,013 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty one Test wickets, eighty six Tests, eighteen years, 440 00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:31,213 Speaker 4: five wickets a Test, ending his career with an average 441 00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:35,293 Speaker 4: twenty two point three. Boy that succeeded by Boomera at 442 00:26:35,293 --> 00:26:39,213 Speaker 4: the moment, but they're wonderful figures. Scored one hundred and 443 00:26:39,253 --> 00:26:42,053 Speaker 4: twenty four runs with the baut two centuries, one hundred 444 00:26:42,093 --> 00:26:44,693 Speaker 4: and three versus the West Indies in christ Jatch, one 445 00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:48,733 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty one against Sri Lanka and Colombo, and 446 00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:52,853 Speaker 4: there were controversial stories around both those innings. But Jerry, 447 00:26:53,213 --> 00:26:58,173 Speaker 4: you played with and against Richard Hadley, and thirty five 448 00:26:58,253 --> 00:27:01,213 Speaker 4: years ago the memories are still pretty strong about his 449 00:27:01,573 --> 00:27:05,053 Speaker 4: achievements and I'm sure you have many fond memories of 450 00:27:05,773 --> 00:27:10,413 Speaker 4: your times captaining him and playing with Sir. 451 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:15,613 Speaker 3: Richard absolutely wadds Yeah, I don't think the successes that 452 00:27:15,653 --> 00:27:20,133 Speaker 3: we had would be anything like the memories without Richard 453 00:27:20,453 --> 00:27:24,213 Speaker 3: in those games. Look, I first played against Richard at 454 00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:31,253 Speaker 3: Logan Park in Dunedin in an underrating eighteen Braben tournament 455 00:27:31,293 --> 00:27:33,693 Speaker 3: as it was called in those days. You remember that, fellas, 456 00:27:34,533 --> 00:27:41,293 Speaker 3: but it was Wellington versus Canterbury. He was already working out. 457 00:27:41,333 --> 00:27:44,493 Speaker 3: Am I going to be a paced sheer pace or 458 00:27:44,533 --> 00:27:48,613 Speaker 3: am I going to be medium fast but chillingly accurate? 459 00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:51,613 Speaker 3: And if you think of the two styles that he 460 00:27:51,653 --> 00:27:54,533 Speaker 3: had right throughout those eighteen years you just mentioned Wadds, 461 00:27:55,973 --> 00:27:58,213 Speaker 3: it kind of covers it covers it, doesn't it that 462 00:27:58,693 --> 00:28:00,893 Speaker 3: first part that the shuffle at the top of his 463 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:06,773 Speaker 3: mark and racing in with the hair flying, and there's 464 00:28:06,813 --> 00:28:10,973 Speaker 3: the emphasis on pace, and then later on the cutting 465 00:28:11,013 --> 00:28:14,093 Speaker 3: down the run up to that shorter one and much 466 00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:20,533 Speaker 3: more relaxed and cool and supreme accuracy. And really, I 467 00:28:20,613 --> 00:28:25,533 Speaker 3: mean he kind of see greatness I think always requires 468 00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:29,133 Speaker 3: we talk about he's a great player. It requires an 469 00:28:29,173 --> 00:28:31,653 Speaker 3: aspect of longevity. You've got to do it. It's not 470 00:28:31,733 --> 00:28:35,813 Speaker 3: about one performance. It's not about a single tournament that 471 00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:39,293 Speaker 3: you've been in or a masterpiece of you know, it's 472 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:43,933 Speaker 3: about an accumulation of stuff. It's a life, it's a biography, 473 00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:47,413 Speaker 3: it's a CV you know, it's Hadley was not only 474 00:28:47,453 --> 00:28:52,493 Speaker 3: a person. To me, Hadley was a quality. You know, 475 00:28:52,813 --> 00:28:56,853 Speaker 3: you you achieve, you can sometimes you look for achieving 476 00:28:56,933 --> 00:29:01,973 Speaker 3: great things, you know, but Hadley, you know, I used 477 00:29:02,013 --> 00:29:04,093 Speaker 3: to say to myself when I looked at players. Has 478 00:29:04,093 --> 00:29:07,173 Speaker 3: he got the Hadley in them? Has he got the 479 00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:11,493 Speaker 3: ability to go the full distance? The way that Richard 480 00:29:11,493 --> 00:29:17,093 Speaker 3: didn't commit himself day after day after over after over, 481 00:29:17,573 --> 00:29:21,573 Speaker 3: to winning, you know, and to achieve that what he 482 00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:25,733 Speaker 3: wanted to do, and to still be unsatisfied. That was 483 00:29:25,773 --> 00:29:30,813 Speaker 3: the bit to still want more. That was Richard to 484 00:29:30,893 --> 00:29:33,573 Speaker 3: demand more from himself and to seek more and to 485 00:29:33,653 --> 00:29:39,333 Speaker 3: get more. He constantly sought security, and he found it 486 00:29:39,373 --> 00:29:44,853 Speaker 3: in the knowledge that well he had done more than 487 00:29:44,893 --> 00:29:48,973 Speaker 3: anyone else, that that was against him and opposed him. 488 00:29:49,973 --> 00:29:53,413 Speaker 3: He was constantly over the line first, wasn't he if 489 00:29:53,453 --> 00:29:57,213 Speaker 3: it was a race? And I that's that's kind of 490 00:29:57,253 --> 00:30:00,933 Speaker 3: how I think of him throwing that last dart of 491 00:30:01,013 --> 00:30:04,093 Speaker 3: the evening and you've got to get double top, and 492 00:30:04,213 --> 00:30:07,693 Speaker 3: he does it. It's not to do with the body, really, 493 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:12,293 Speaker 3: it's to do with your mind. And I always thought 494 00:30:12,373 --> 00:30:16,333 Speaker 3: them of the absolute there's a word I want to use, 495 00:30:16,413 --> 00:30:20,813 Speaker 3: cointessence of sport. You know, Hadley was the contessence of victory. 496 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:24,733 Speaker 3: So after playing with him for all those years and 497 00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:29,533 Speaker 3: standing there watching him, you have to marvel at the 498 00:30:29,573 --> 00:30:33,773 Speaker 3: way he approached, you know, the game and the skills 499 00:30:33,773 --> 00:30:36,333 Speaker 3: that he had developed and the mind that he had developed, 500 00:30:36,973 --> 00:30:41,293 Speaker 3: so he was worthled. I don't see players like that nowadays, wads. 501 00:30:42,213 --> 00:30:46,213 Speaker 3: I don't see players. They're all very keen, of course 502 00:30:46,253 --> 00:30:49,213 Speaker 3: they are. They've got all the coaches, of course they do. 503 00:30:50,613 --> 00:30:57,133 Speaker 3: But that drive and that you know, skill that he had, 504 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:00,253 Speaker 3: I don't quite see that so often. 505 00:31:00,933 --> 00:31:06,213 Speaker 2: Well, I was as a young, very old player. First 506 00:31:06,253 --> 00:31:12,333 Speaker 2: Las faced the very very bustling, hard fast Richard Hadley 507 00:31:12,853 --> 00:31:16,733 Speaker 2: and it was not comfortable at all. And then and 508 00:31:16,773 --> 00:31:20,213 Speaker 2: then later on faced him off the shorter run, where 509 00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:24,133 Speaker 2: I thought he was far more menacing because that ambling 510 00:31:24,213 --> 00:31:27,453 Speaker 2: in and you could be thinking, oh god, they've got 511 00:31:27,453 --> 00:31:29,813 Speaker 2: this under control. And then all of a sudden you'll 512 00:31:29,853 --> 00:31:33,413 Speaker 2: get one about a yard and a half quicker, and 513 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:37,533 Speaker 2: and he's lining up. And I remember watching on television 514 00:31:38,013 --> 00:31:42,453 Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, you guys playing against I think England, 515 00:31:43,053 --> 00:31:49,573 Speaker 2: and he's taken Graham Gooch early on two away, two away, 516 00:31:50,973 --> 00:31:54,773 Speaker 2: got him on the back foot and then jams him 517 00:31:55,053 --> 00:31:59,613 Speaker 2: with one coming back in LBW the most beautiful piece 518 00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:03,253 Speaker 2: of bowling you could ever imagine. Three balls Graham Girt's 519 00:32:03,293 --> 00:32:07,893 Speaker 2: god nought started a Test match. My god, what a player. 520 00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:13,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, he certainly had a lot in his arm, or 521 00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:17,013 Speaker 4: he didn't he Jerry, I look back at the success 522 00:32:17,053 --> 00:32:19,413 Speaker 4: that he had, and I was looking at some stats. 523 00:32:19,693 --> 00:32:23,973 Speaker 4: Sixty four catches you took in test Curant twenty seven 524 00:32:24,013 --> 00:32:28,493 Speaker 4: off Headley, Ian Smith, forty three catches off Richard Hadley. 525 00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:33,893 Speaker 4: Others in the cordon probably added to those numbers. So 526 00:32:33,933 --> 00:32:37,093 Speaker 4: he used the keeper slip cordon perfectly, didn't he? 527 00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:40,693 Speaker 3: I guess was some of the conditions that we played, 528 00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:44,053 Speaker 3: and you know, assisted him, which means you adapt to 529 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:50,373 Speaker 3: the to the to the conditions that are presented. But 530 00:32:50,613 --> 00:32:53,893 Speaker 3: they're always slightly different pictures, so there was always just 531 00:32:53,933 --> 00:32:57,093 Speaker 3: a different length. It took him a while to get 532 00:32:57,173 --> 00:33:00,813 Speaker 3: used to Asian conditions, but he worked it out and 533 00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:03,373 Speaker 3: he found the links that he was bowling. He'd beat 534 00:33:03,413 --> 00:33:05,653 Speaker 3: the edge and we'd go down and we'd have a 535 00:33:05,653 --> 00:33:07,533 Speaker 3: look on the pitch and see where the ball because 536 00:33:07,533 --> 00:33:10,213 Speaker 3: you could see it where the ball was pitching left 537 00:33:10,213 --> 00:33:14,053 Speaker 3: the mark, and you say, I do you think he 538 00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,973 Speaker 3: should be a foot further up Richard, And he'd sort 539 00:33:18,013 --> 00:33:20,573 Speaker 3: of think about that and go away, fine leg and think, 540 00:33:20,613 --> 00:33:25,573 Speaker 3: and then sure enough, within three overs we would start 541 00:33:25,613 --> 00:33:30,013 Speaker 3: We're in the game. And it was that's how clever 542 00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:32,813 Speaker 3: he was. He could take a little handkerchief. People talk 543 00:33:32,813 --> 00:33:36,333 Speaker 3: about bowling in the right areas, you know, but but 544 00:33:37,013 --> 00:33:39,253 Speaker 3: he used to have a handkerchief, you know, quite a 545 00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:43,533 Speaker 3: smaller woman's handkerchief, you know, those small ones, and he'd 546 00:33:43,573 --> 00:33:46,693 Speaker 3: move it around and he would hit it. And so 547 00:33:46,973 --> 00:33:50,813 Speaker 3: he always adapted. Yes, Wads, it was great to you know, 548 00:33:51,013 --> 00:33:54,173 Speaker 3: not always great because sometimes you get the second new 549 00:33:54,213 --> 00:33:57,013 Speaker 3: ball late on a cold Wellington afternoon and there would 550 00:33:57,053 --> 00:33:59,813 Speaker 3: be Richard running with the breeze behind him, and your 551 00:33:59,813 --> 00:34:04,013 Speaker 3: hands were cold, and you know, you didn't really put 552 00:34:04,013 --> 00:34:06,973 Speaker 3: one down and you were imagining the ball flying low 553 00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:11,893 Speaker 3: to your left and things like that, and you you know, 554 00:34:12,013 --> 00:34:13,853 Speaker 3: but you knew you had to go, and you knew 555 00:34:13,893 --> 00:34:16,013 Speaker 3: he was trying so hard, and you knew that you 556 00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:18,453 Speaker 3: couldn't let him down. You couldn't let the tea because 557 00:34:19,293 --> 00:34:21,293 Speaker 3: why do you think we bowled first? A lot of 558 00:34:21,333 --> 00:34:23,693 Speaker 3: the time it was for Richard, you know, we have 559 00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:26,373 Speaker 3: to be honest about that. That gave us our best 560 00:34:26,453 --> 00:34:31,573 Speaker 3: chance of winning. And so you know he and don't 561 00:34:31,613 --> 00:34:36,573 Speaker 3: forget his batting, you guys, you said three three hundred runs. Man, 562 00:34:36,613 --> 00:34:41,533 Speaker 3: He played some very important innings for New Zealand. Don't 563 00:34:41,533 --> 00:34:44,573 Speaker 3: forget his catching. He was a very good catcher at 564 00:34:44,613 --> 00:34:49,053 Speaker 3: Gully and those areas goalkeeper and died. Remember that catcher. 565 00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,613 Speaker 3: See they're starting to come back to with that catch 566 00:34:51,653 --> 00:34:54,173 Speaker 3: in Wellington when he dived away to his left. What 567 00:34:54,213 --> 00:34:56,493 Speaker 3: were you thinking about, Richard, I said, trying to find 568 00:34:56,533 --> 00:34:59,373 Speaker 3: out some answer. Oh, I was looking at the cars 569 00:34:59,413 --> 00:35:01,533 Speaker 3: coming out the tunnel. 570 00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:01,333 Speaker 2: You know. 571 00:35:01,453 --> 00:35:04,693 Speaker 3: And that was the kind of he was. He knew 572 00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:07,813 Speaker 3: how to relax, he knew how to put his mind 573 00:35:07,813 --> 00:35:10,173 Speaker 3: to it when he had to, great sportsman. 574 00:35:10,773 --> 00:35:15,813 Speaker 2: If I remember watching him once sitting at the base 575 00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:21,333 Speaker 2: and in the changing rooms, and I'm watching him catching 576 00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,453 Speaker 2: something or running around to pick something up from the 577 00:35:23,453 --> 00:35:27,453 Speaker 2: final egg. He was down there and he ran so 578 00:35:27,773 --> 00:35:31,853 Speaker 2: gracefully like a pure athlete. And I just thought to 579 00:35:31,893 --> 00:35:37,413 Speaker 2: myself he was actually a beautiful athlete in its purest sense. 580 00:35:37,773 --> 00:35:40,293 Speaker 2: And I and and and then you then you put 581 00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:43,373 Speaker 2: the you put the into the the the the the 582 00:35:43,373 --> 00:35:47,053 Speaker 2: the mindfulness into how he went about what he did. 583 00:35:48,053 --> 00:35:48,293 Speaker 3: Uh. 584 00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:51,013 Speaker 2: And he put that together and the single mindedness of 585 00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:58,733 Speaker 2: that created a fabulous phenomenal a performer, just truly a great. 586 00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:02,253 Speaker 3: What what we were practicing at Wellington and it was 587 00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:05,173 Speaker 3: windy and he wanted to get his run up right 588 00:36:05,213 --> 00:36:06,613 Speaker 3: because he knew it was going to be a bit 589 00:36:06,653 --> 00:36:10,133 Speaker 3: buffety the next day. And he got me a stopwatch, 590 00:36:10,453 --> 00:36:12,333 Speaker 3: gave it to me, said, I want you to use 591 00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:14,893 Speaker 3: the stopwatch from a runner and start and tell me 592 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,533 Speaker 3: how fast it is by the time I'd delivered the ball. 593 00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:22,213 Speaker 3: And so he'd run in and I'd go five point 594 00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:27,013 Speaker 3: three and he said nah, and he'd be, you know, disappointed, 595 00:36:27,013 --> 00:36:29,773 Speaker 3: and back he'd go. And we did it for about 596 00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:33,933 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe ten to fifteen times, and he 597 00:36:33,973 --> 00:36:36,853 Speaker 3: got it down to about four point seven or something 598 00:36:36,973 --> 00:36:40,613 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, he said, that's it. And so he 599 00:36:40,813 --> 00:36:43,493 Speaker 3: was working out the rhythm he required to get and 600 00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:45,813 Speaker 3: the pace he had to run to get from the 601 00:36:45,813 --> 00:36:49,013 Speaker 3: top of his mark so that he was balanced and 602 00:36:49,173 --> 00:36:54,133 Speaker 3: ready to go in the delivery stride. And he wanted 603 00:36:54,133 --> 00:36:56,573 Speaker 3: to know that and he wanted to feel that, and 604 00:36:56,613 --> 00:36:59,373 Speaker 3: he wanted to get it into his body, and until 605 00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:01,333 Speaker 3: he could do it three or four times in a row, 606 00:37:01,373 --> 00:37:04,493 Speaker 3: he was unhappy. That's the kind of thing I'm talking 607 00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:09,973 Speaker 3: about about preparing and not allowing things to chance, and 608 00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:13,653 Speaker 3: an athlete absolutely an athlete. 609 00:37:13,293 --> 00:37:17,173 Speaker 4: Yeah, a great athlete, yeah, and a great performer. Thirty 610 00:37:17,253 --> 00:37:21,293 Speaker 4: five years ago this week he retired. And it's lovely 611 00:37:21,533 --> 00:37:24,253 Speaker 4: now and again just to remember some of those moments. 612 00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:28,013 Speaker 4: And Moose, you made the point, you know, one particular moment, 613 00:37:28,013 --> 00:37:30,733 Speaker 4: but I mean you can look at any number of 614 00:37:30,773 --> 00:37:35,813 Speaker 4: his performances, you know, and that's why he sits with 615 00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:37,093 Speaker 4: the greats. 616 00:37:37,413 --> 00:37:39,213 Speaker 2: And you're right, Jerry. 617 00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,733 Speaker 4: You can say anybody's great, but I think Sir Richard 618 00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:46,413 Speaker 4: Hadley sits in the true greats. And I always said 619 00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:51,093 Speaker 4: in another platform that to bowl for my life, the 620 00:37:51,093 --> 00:37:54,973 Speaker 4: team I wanted to bowl for my life was Richard 621 00:37:54,973 --> 00:38:01,293 Speaker 4: Hadley Malcolm Marshall, and initially it was Dennis Lily, but 622 00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:04,253 Speaker 4: I wanted a left armor, so Wassi Macram would be 623 00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:07,173 Speaker 4: the bowlers that are both for my life. 624 00:38:07,173 --> 00:38:08,973 Speaker 2: How does that go for three of the b I'll 625 00:38:09,013 --> 00:38:10,053 Speaker 2: take that. Well. 626 00:38:10,813 --> 00:38:17,293 Speaker 3: I'm disappointed, Moose, and I aren't there. Yeah, you were 627 00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:21,373 Speaker 3: coming in with the slow slow the batsmen out. I 628 00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:24,533 Speaker 3: tired the batsman out. Was they got disinterested either time 629 00:38:25,173 --> 00:38:28,773 Speaker 3: she arrived. And Moose was even slower than me. Not 630 00:38:28,893 --> 00:38:34,013 Speaker 3: many are, or work. He's certainly not slower than me 631 00:38:34,053 --> 00:38:36,493 Speaker 3: at the around bloody London. 632 00:38:36,573 --> 00:38:42,373 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I will keep enjoy the Lord's Test. 633 00:38:43,173 --> 00:38:45,813 Speaker 4: Be waiting to hear from you next week. Thanks Moose 634 00:38:45,853 --> 00:38:49,133 Speaker 4: for sparing some time with us and sharing memories and 635 00:38:49,333 --> 00:38:51,893 Speaker 4: your vision of cricket. I'm sure you'll be back with 636 00:38:51,973 --> 00:38:55,213 Speaker 4: us on a future occasion to discuss the issues that 637 00:38:56,013 --> 00:38:59,013 Speaker 4: we stash. And I'm just now going to go and 638 00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:01,413 Speaker 4: wife will worth a few tears for poor old Jerry 639 00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:06,213 Speaker 4: in London on his way to Lords Moose, will you join? 640 00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:08,493 Speaker 3: Oh? 641 00:39:08,533 --> 00:39:11,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, you pull yourself through and I hope you're okay Jerry. 642 00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:15,253 Speaker 3: Oh, it's tough. It's tough fellas you know. I'll spend 643 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:17,293 Speaker 3: only half an hour at Harvey Nichols. 644 00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:23,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, and have a cracking lunch while you're at it. 645 00:39:24,093 --> 00:39:27,413 Speaker 3: Thanks boys, good to hear you both. Nice to nice 646 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:31,133 Speaker 3: your rooms. Nice to see the rooms behind you. Very key. 647 00:39:31,173 --> 00:39:33,893 Speaker 3: We that's good. 648 00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:37,693 Speaker 4: And it's nice not to see you Jerry. 649 00:39:37,653 --> 00:39:46,653 Speaker 3: Yes, summer 650 00:39:53,453 --> 00:39:56,053 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks, it'd be listen live on 651 00:39:56,173 --> 00:39:59,133 Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever 652 00:39:59,173 --> 00:40:01,773 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on IR Radio.