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Speaker 1: Heather, what the heck is garnish Nana on about too

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Speaker 1: heavy a government causes poor productivity. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: the huddle about this because there's quite that. As you know,

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Speaker 1: Education Minister Erica Stanford has apologized today for calling Jan

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Speaker 1: Toinetti from Labor a stupid B word. Happened in Parliament

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Speaker 1: after quite a fiery exchange in question time and Jan

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Speaker 1: is with us. Now, hey, Jan, hey, Heather. Not the

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Speaker 1: first time, uh.

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Speaker 2: No, we've seen this before, but this is the first

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Speaker 2: time that we've stood up and or our shadow Leader

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Speaker 2: of the House stood up and made a complaint to

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Speaker 2: the speaker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and is this upsetting to you?

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Speaker 2: Look, I've got broad shoulders. I've been a school principle

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Speaker 2: and a teacher, so I've been called names over the years.

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Speaker 2: But it's more about the fact that we have rules

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Speaker 2: for a reason. I also had to think about and thought, well,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect that in any workplace. We do have

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Speaker 2: to stand up as MPs and show good, strong behavior,

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Speaker 2: and we do need to take accountability for our behavior

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Speaker 2: as well. And really that's where I'm coming from. As

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Speaker 2: I say, I got broad shoulders.

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Speaker 1: So Jan on the rules thing, It's kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: that you're defending the rules of Parliament today given how

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Speaker 1: much your party has broken the rules in the last week,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think in the last week has been a different

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Speaker 2: situation for everyone. Of course, we stand up for the

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Speaker 2: rules of Parliament, but the last week has been a

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Speaker 2: very different intense situation.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't what happened today between the two of you.

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Speaker 1: Different intents as well, So so to break that rule, it.

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Speaker 2: Was definitely tense. It was a definitely tense time because

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Speaker 2: that's a robust exchange. But we already have rules around

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Speaker 2: how that is guided in Parliament. There's already precedents around that.

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Speaker 2: There hasn't been precedents around anything else that's happened, so

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Speaker 2: you know, that's time for Parliament to have those discussions.

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Speaker 2: I think Parliament has to have those discussions.

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Speaker 1: So just in this last week, you have had Willie

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Speaker 1: Jackson get up and called David Seymour a liar in

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Speaker 1: breach of the rules and refuse to take responsibility for that.

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Speaker 1: You've had Penny Henae get up and join the Marty

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Speaker 1: Party hucker in breach of the rules. You've had Ginny

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Speaker 1: Anderson on the radio yesterday telling us it's okay to

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Speaker 1: break the rules if you care about it, and your

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Speaker 1: party voted not to punish the Marty Party MP Hannah

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Speaker 1: after Hemp Clark for breaking the rules. So, if you

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Speaker 1: guys are kind of cool with the rules being broken

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Speaker 1: in those instances, why are you defending the rules today?

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Speaker 2: Because I think you you actually are making a really

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Speaker 2: good point. We do abide by the rules, and I

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Speaker 2: think personally rules are there for.

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Speaker 1: The rules.

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Speaker 2: Hang on, heither, just let me finish. Sorry, Perry on

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Speaker 2: when when you have when you do break the rules,

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Speaker 2: there is a something that's going to happen for you.

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Speaker 2: And Willie got thrown out of the house by the

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Speaker 2: speaker for that, so you know there is a consequence

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Speaker 2: to that, and that's why we have the rules, and

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Speaker 2: that's why we have consequences. As someone who has come

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Speaker 2: through the education system, that is really important to me

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Speaker 2: because that's when when those kids called me names, or

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Speaker 2: called my teacher's names, or did any of those things,

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Speaker 2: there was a responsibility of me to enact a consequence.

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Speaker 1: Fea was that two things. Will He got thrown out

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Speaker 1: because he refused to apologize, and to this day he

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Speaker 1: refuses to apologize. I would actually venture to you that

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Speaker 1: everybody's behaved badly here, but the only person who's actually

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Speaker 1: said the sorry and done the right thing is Erica.

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Speaker 2: And can I just acknowledge that there was a She

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Speaker 2: has said sorry, and she has texted me since then too,

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Speaker 2: And that's why I say I've got broad shoulders. As

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Speaker 2: I said to media today, I'm not thinking too hard

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Speaker 2: about this, but it is just showing that as MP's

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Speaker 2: we do have to take responsibility through our behavior and

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Speaker 2: we do have to acknowledge our behavior too. So you

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Speaker 2: know that's something that I'm personally very strong about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, jan thank you. I appreciate you talking to us,

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Speaker 1: and as I say, not okay to call anybody that word.

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