1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Nineteen to six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 1: Realty exceptional marketing for every property. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: Right on the huddle with me this evening I got 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: David Farah and Mark Sainsbury. Are you two? Hello there 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: you We're going to come back to Wellington City Council 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: because unfortunately both of you have a vested interest in that. 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: First though, David on the GDP figure, what do you 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: make of that? 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's a small relief that is not negative. That's 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: what people were expecting. But it's pretty anemic and it 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: just shows you they're commonly still in a weak stake 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: and that's why things need to change. If we didn't 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: have such big immigration growth coming in, we wouldn't have 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: had positive GDP. 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you seeing it? Saying so, I'm seeing it 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: when I walk around Auckland, I'm seeing the shops that 17 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 2: are closed and the people who are having half hard time. 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: Is the same in Wellington. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and people just start to mean people aren't spending. 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 4: That's part of the part of the problem. You know, 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 4: government starts spending, businesses and spending, consumers are spending, you know, 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: is it all go? There is that sense of God 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 4: help us. When is it going to get better? You 24 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 4: know it's too late to move to ours? 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, what too late in life, saying though you strive 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: as a risk taker. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's Look, it's 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 4: just frustration. It's like and Wellington and man getting back 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: to it later, but it's just you know, every day 30 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: is like another problem. You know, it gets that point 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: you just think I don't care anymore. 32 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: You know, too much, it is a little. 33 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: It does weigh you down. David, I reckon, I just reckon. 34 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: It's too dark to leave us here with the ocr 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: where it is for too much longer. I reckon they 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: cut in November, what do you think. 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: Well, it would be nice if they did, But the 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: last lot of inflation results you had, non tradable inflation 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: are still at nearly six percent annually, and you just 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: can't do that. This is the problem, even though you 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: are signs with the comedues doing okay, people paying more, 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: all goodges have had interest rates double, and some people 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: haven't even had that hit yet because they're fixed term. Yeah, 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: in interest rates aren't going to drop, you know, maybe 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: November maybe fedry, but even then, so until those interest 46 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: rates drop, we probably can't expect there's gonna be a 47 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: lot of money for investing. And that is the whole point. 48 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: This is why you don't want high inflation in the 49 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: first place, because the solution is nasty. 50 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been nice if maybe like Adrian 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: had read that bit in his manual when he let 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: inflation get to this point? Oh was it not? Was 53 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: it not drawn with pictures of trees and stuff like that? 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have got many to the picture book. Hey 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: what do you make saying soo? Of those climate change 56 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: protesters who went and tagged Stonehenge, did they go to 57 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: father time? 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: Look? 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: I mean you sort of thing, what is too far 60 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: with anything? I mean my sort of thing is you 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 4: shouldn't be hurting people. But then what is everything then 62 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: fair game? And you know where do you draw the line? 63 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: The thing I get with that really won't be over 64 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: the stone. It's such a significant historical sight. And now 65 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: trying to make their I mean, the one I did 66 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 4: enjoy was the people who put the cartoon faces over 67 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: Prince Charles's portrait the other day because I had a 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: perspect screen on it. So they made their point and 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: it was cleaned up a moment after but yeah, there 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: is a problem and it becomes negative because at some 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: point you end up just getting on everyone's tips. 72 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I think, David I Reckon says, 73 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: I was onto something. I reckon. These guys are just 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: so irritating. You're not listening to their message anymore. You're 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: just like, do you just think that dicks? 76 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: Well, there was a they are There was an interesting 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: interview where someone tried to adjume that actually go and 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: talk to them and the people involved in this. I 79 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: just want to irritate people. They believe in all, not 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: just this cards. They're involved in all the causes, and 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: they're about protests for the sake of protests. They're not 82 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: actually about making change. You know, did you really think 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: the UK government going to sungly announced zero by two 84 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: thousand feuty because she's straight painter on stone Hinge. No. 85 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: The nice thing about this and I could say that 86 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: though Stonehinge appears has its own twasure account and it 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: actually responded to the protests by saying the paint doesn't 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: necessar come out and you've broken the law and you 89 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: all gave to jail for a long time. You know, 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: stone Hinge treasure account yees good. 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: I like that. That's a bit of a set. 92 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 4: Did you see the age of them? 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: Heaven? 94 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were ancient, they should know better. 95 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 4: No, no, No, one was twenty one and the other 96 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: was seventy three. 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well what does that tell your saints? 98 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: Oh you're stupid at both except it's a broad spectam. 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: That's right, all right, we'll take a break with you two. 100 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: Come back and talk about Wellington City Council. 101 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, exceptional marketing 102 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: for every property. 103 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury, David Farrett, Mark, what 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: do you reckon? Is it time for Wellington City Council 105 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: to have the big boys called in on them and 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: the grown ups take over? 107 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: No? 108 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: No, I mean look, I think it's getting fast towards that. 109 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 4: But it's it's it's a pretty huge thing to dump 110 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 4: for council. It's going to be you know, and I 111 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: think I think you said pretty right earlier on. You 112 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: know what the result would be politically You'd probably end 113 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: up as a loser for them. 114 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: Look, there's this huge. 115 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: Frustration in Wellington at the moment. I've got a lot 116 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: of friends in the hospitality sector and they're just I mean, 117 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: they're just weaken you know, it is just And because 118 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: he doesn't appear to be any sort of cohesive plan, 119 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 4: I know that. And this is the big next thing 120 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 4: is going to be the big three year plan. It's 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 4: supposed to be getting signed off and all the supports 122 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: crumbling and yeah, I mean I can see where you're 123 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 4: coming from either. 124 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: But what are you real Yeah, look, I agree, I 125 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: obviously agree with Mark on this one, David that it 126 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: is very high risk stuff for the minister to do it. 127 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: But are we at that point or do we only 128 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: get to the point if they can't pass the plan? 129 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a sort of thing that triggers 130 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: an intervention. Just making bad decisions and being led round 131 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: by the CEO and not being unified isn't actually enough. 132 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: It's called democracy. You get what you're voted for. Well, 133 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Antonians had three choices from here at the last election. 134 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 3: They had lots of candidates to choose for the wards 135 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: and the result is what we've got to few. It's 136 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: not all the counselors. There is obviously a cultural problem 137 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: at the council where the CEE is trying to hide 138 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: information or restrict it to the council and that's not 139 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: just unique to Wellington. So I actually do think the 140 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: government does need to move in that regard and make 141 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: it very clear that ce's can't tell counselors know. 142 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you yeah. 143 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: I was going to say part of the whole breakdown 144 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 4: too was and say because Ben McNulty I was on 145 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: nick Mills with him last week and he was coming. 146 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 4: It's about how during the discussions and the pressure was 147 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 4: coming on and the sort of you know, the share sale, 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: this top lawyer was brought and who basically told them 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: that all be financially liable, they don't vote for it, 150 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: and the councilor's books go, you. 151 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: Know, and the top lawyer was paid for. 152 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: By whom I presen that have been paid for by council. 153 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: Staff trying to heavy the elected counselors again right. 154 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were really dirty control They tried to get 155 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: a copy of it and you. 156 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, the whole thing sounds like an absolute disaster. 157 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: Saying so Toma Portucker, who is the Conservation Minister, says 158 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: we're not going to be able to save every species 159 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: we basically because it's going to just cost too much money, 160 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: and we need to decide where we want to put 161 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: our attention. 162 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: Is he right, Well, that's not they're doing at the moment. 163 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: I mean it was interesting. I went back and had 164 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: a look at that that the report that did to 165 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: the UN on extinct and there was another report out 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: last year which said that stats have to do the 167 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: extinctions threatened the case. I we've said seventy five percent 168 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: of indigenous reptile birds back some fresh water pressure at risk. Look, 169 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 4: we know you cannot save everything. I mean, that's that 170 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: goes with that saying. But I think that's what they 171 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 4: do at the moment. I think they've got about a 172 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: four hundred and six particularly endaintered species that they concentrate on. Yeah, 173 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: because Evan, you know, you get onto the saying, oh 174 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: they're stopping a note away because there's a couple of 175 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: snails in the way and this sort of thing. You know, 176 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: that sort of plays into the Shane Jones handbook. But 177 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: we do have to protect our environment and this is 178 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: our our you know, this is our time and we 179 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: need to we need to protect it. So, yeah, it's 180 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: a bit of a worry with the budget cuts for dock. 181 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: But then so they are for y everyone else. 182 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean David. People are getting really upset about 183 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: that about his comment, But his comment is just that 184 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: is the reality of the situation. 185 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it. 186 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: Everything has a cost benefit analysis to it. Otherwise speed 187 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: limits would be ten kilometers per our houses would cost ye, 188 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: well even more than they cost to world, like five 189 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: million dollars to have the best safety standard. We actually 190 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: have eighty thousand species in New Zealand and biodiversity is important. 191 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: I think it should be a priority, especially with birds 192 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: and animals. But it is just common sense. You can't 193 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: guarantee that every species will be saved for all time 194 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: because that's not actually how the world works for us. 195 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: That's true. Actually, hey guys, it's always a pleasure to 196 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: talk to the pair of you. Thank you so much 197 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: and best of luck with your counsel. David Farrerh and 198 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: Mark Sainsbury. 199 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 200 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 201 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.