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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis. Heather,

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Speaker 1: due to the Allen Drive with One New Zealand, Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and you talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Coming up on the show, Alan Lickman is the

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Speaker 2: man who has correctly predicted presidential elections for nearly four decades.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to him later on about who

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Speaker 2: he thought on that debate. Hawksbay Regional Council has been

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Speaker 2: found out for the flooding and wired Or We're going

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Speaker 2: to speak to Craig Little, the WIDO or May who

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Speaker 2: always thought they were at fault. And we'll also get

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Speaker 2: you across all the details of the Treaty Principles Bill,

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Speaker 2: which have now been released.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupless l Yes, on that debate.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that debate is going to change very

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Speaker 2: many people's minds, largely because I think both of the

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Speaker 2: candidates were surprisingly good in some ways but also surprisingly

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Speaker 2: disappointing in others. We'll start with Donald Trump. Hey had

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Speaker 2: some clangers. I mean, probably the wackiest thing he said

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Speaker 2: was that illegal migrants in Ohio are stealing and eating

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Speaker 2: people's cats. And dogs, And when he was pressed on it,

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Speaker 2: he basically saw it on the news, Yes, sord on

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Speaker 2: the news, so he just started repeating it. Apparently isn't

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Speaker 2: true at all. But that's the kind of kooky thing

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Speaker 2: that goes viral. And it looks to me like he

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Speaker 2: is already grabbing the headlines after the debate with the

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Speaker 2: stupidest thing that he said in the debate. But then

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Speaker 2: if you're surprised, you know. On the other hand, if

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Speaker 2: you're surprised by Donald Trump saying something stupid, what rock

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Speaker 2: have you been living under? Please tell us voters I

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Speaker 2: think have already baked in his craziness. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know that him saying something crazy is going to change

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Speaker 2: anybody's mind about him, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 2: actually he's surprised on the upside on some stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he showed remarkable restraint in not talking over Karmala Harris

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Speaker 2: at her when he could have. He is actually like him,

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Speaker 2: will hate him, a really good debater. He says what

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Speaker 2: he says, however, wacky, with quite a lot of conviction

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Speaker 2: and certainty, which I think goes a long way on

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Speaker 2: Karmala Harris. She has some really good moments. I would

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Speaker 2: say she had more good moments than he did. She

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Speaker 2: for her because it made him look even more crazy.

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Speaker 2: She was very passionate, very convincing on abortion and Roe

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Speaker 2: v Wade, but she was very weak on the economy

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Speaker 2: and her connection to Biden and their combined track record.

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Speaker 2: She did not defend that very well. And actually she's

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Speaker 2: a credible debater, but that's about it. She's not great.

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Speaker 2: I'd give her about a four out of five. She

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Speaker 2: looked quite a few times like she was trying to

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Speaker 2: remember what she was supposed to say. And as I've

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Speaker 2: said before, I've been thinking this a long time, and

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be proven

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Speaker 2: right on this. She's not that charismatic. The thought of

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Speaker 2: her is actually better than her herself. Like thinking of

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Speaker 2: seeing her or hearing her. She just isn't that fun

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Speaker 2: when you actually see her performing. So I don't think

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Speaker 2: there was a clear winner on this. I think if

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Speaker 2: you had to call one, you'd probably call it for KRMLA.

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Speaker 2: But like really close. You'd call it for Karmala because

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Speaker 2: she was the underdog who gave a credible performance, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think this is going to

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Speaker 1: To Heather, do to see Alan.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Alan Nickman, who you know, is much more

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us after five o'clock. Now, more than

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Speaker 2: fifty former Olympians have signed an open letter calling on

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Speaker 2: the government to rethink letting transgender athletes participate in women's

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Speaker 2: sports at the community level. The athletes, which include former

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Speaker 2: Olympians Barbara Kendall and also David Girard, said Sports New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's guidelines disregard the rights of female athletes and go

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Speaker 2: against scientific everness. Now David Gerard is also an emeritus

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dave, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Heather?

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Speaker 2: Very well and it's very nice to talk to you again. Now,

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Speaker 2: what is your concern about the participation of transgender women

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Speaker 5: Well, my concern hasn't changed over the years, but I

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Speaker 5: think what has changed, Heather is the discussion we're having

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Speaker 5: to show unequivocally that male bodied athletes, in other words,

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Speaker 5: In other words, if we're logically depending upon somebody's self

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, now you're not going to get an argument

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Speaker 5: No? I don't necessarily think you're wrong, and I think

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Speaker 5: the jury is still out on that. I guess the

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Speaker 5: Sport New Zealand on This is where we draw the line.

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Speaker 5: If somebody meets the criteria and participates in community sport,

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Speaker 5: and it's everyone's prerogative, isn't it. The physical and psychological

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Speaker 5: benefits of exercise, everyone's right. But where do we how

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Speaker 5: far do we allow a trans athlete to progress if

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Speaker 5: I think that's the clarity that's needed by the swimming

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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you think all of the things that

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Speaker 2: is that you know, people body, people born into a

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's it begins somewhere. I'm not, for

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just think there's a there's an issue

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's fair for you to raise it, Dave.

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Speaker 2: What do we do though? I mean, if you've got

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't participate, but I'm

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Speaker 5: we're quite happy to have athbet X play with us

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Speaker 2: Give me your common sense. Though, don't pussy foot around

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Speaker 2: around on this particular program. We take everybody's opinions as

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Speaker 2: because you're the expert. Should trans women be competing against

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Speaker 5: Well, again, it depends on the sport we're talking about, yep.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm more concerned about the issues relating to

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Speaker 2: You're talking about rugby, rugby league, boxing, those kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: Collision, collision and contact sports. That's you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: as a physician, that's where my consume would be.

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Speaker 2: David, it's always good to talk to you. I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Dave Gerard, former Olympian and emeritus professor and

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Speaker 2: Heather so nav host Sterling tell us about the sky.

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Speaker 3: Who have not heard of never host Sterling. Well, if

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Speaker 3: at a thing called the Contender Series, which is the

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Speaker 3: next level down from the UFC. Dana White the ampisary

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to watch some violence, and

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Speaker 3: What else we're going to buy? Have you got no

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Speaker 2: And news Talk said, be oh, thank god, it's happened.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift has endorsed Kamala Harris. Thank god, because now

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Speaker 2: Like many of you, I watched the debate tonight, I

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Speaker 2: to make. With love and hope, Taylor Swift, Childless cat

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Speaker 2: Lady very good, very good, And if you don't know

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Speaker 2: Varnson will tell you everything you need to know. On

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Speaker 2: the TV and Z, guys having more sport. By the way,

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Speaker 2: are you on? Karmela is extremely charismatic and credible, unlike

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Speaker 2: that deranged, screaming fanatic heither. You'll clearly upset that Trump

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Speaker 2: didn't win. He's an idiot. Here the keep your left

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Speaker 2: wing crap at home. Here the Trump on that debate

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Speaker 2: Dan Dichinson with his thoughts, and Barry Sopa.

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Speaker 2: This' I've got some more bad news on everything going

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Speaker 2: on with the gas situation, of the energy situation, methodex

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Speaker 2: take on it. Alan Lichtman, Now, if you follow American politics,

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Speaker 2: you all know this guy's name. He has the thirteen

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about his thirteen keys is he's basically,

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Speaker 2: So to that debate, there were personal attacks in both directions,

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Speaker 9: Think my plan is a brilliant plan. It's a great plan.

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Speaker 2: Themselves with greats and finally crash the party like a

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US.

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Speaker 11: Now Dan, Hello, Hey, can we just say what a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be honest about it. Taylor's doing it for

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Speaker 2: of five, because there were times where I felt she

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Speaker 2: sort of faultered and looked like she was trying to

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Speaker 2: remember what she's supposed to say. Did you pick up

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Speaker 2: on that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree that. And I'm going to be listening

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Speaker 11: when Barry talks about this because I'll be anxious to

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Speaker 11: hear what he has to say about this. I think

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Speaker 11: she did do that. I think she seemed a little

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Speaker 11: nervous at first, but she was a lot more confident

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Speaker 11: overall than I expected. And I would have to say

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Speaker 11: she came in as an underdog, and she remained calm

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Speaker 11: a lot of the time, and I think a lot

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Speaker 11: of her previous district any experience, came into play here,

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Speaker 11: and she reminded me at times that she was almost

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Speaker 11: like she was talking to a jury. Whereas I think Trump,

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Speaker 11: for the first ten minutes or so, it was okay,

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Speaker 11: but then he was very angry. It was very off topic,

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Speaker 11: and he seemed to be grabbing at anything and everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, just the optics, like, just

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Speaker 2: when you looked at the Camra, just looked at what

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Speaker 2: was happening on your television screen. Here you had this

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Speaker 2: bright and sunny woman smiling, and you had this old

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Speaker 2: guy brooding and looking delicious.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 11: And the comment about eating pets when he was referring

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Speaker 11: to the Haitian immigrants eating the dogs and the pets

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Speaker 11: in Springfield, Ohio, I mean that's been confirmed. I don't

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Speaker 11: know how many times that that was not true, but

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Speaker 11: he said it, and it immediately started trending. And somebody's

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Speaker 11: going to make a fortune off mugs and T shirts

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Speaker 11: with that with that comment.

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Speaker 2: But then, I don't think this changes anybody's opinion. I

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Speaker 2: think if you think that, if you want to vote

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Speaker 2: for Trump, you already know that he says lunatic stuff,

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Speaker 2: So it's not going to change your mind. And if

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Speaker 2: you want to vote for Karmala because of what she

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Speaker 2: stands for, her crappy performance, like her four out of

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Speaker 2: five performance, wasn't that crappy is also not going to

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Speaker 2: put you off, is it. No?

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Speaker 11: I think I think if you're if you're a Trump

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Speaker 11: in the Trump camp right now, you're going to remain

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Speaker 11: in the Trump camp. If you believe in fracking, you're

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Speaker 11: gonna believe in fracking. If you are are for abortion

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Speaker 11: or against abortion, you're gonna your mind's already set on this.

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Speaker 11: It was just a chance to see how both of

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Speaker 11: these two would go head to head in what might

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Speaker 11: just be their only presidential debate between now and November.

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Speaker 2: Milania tune up.

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Speaker 11: She did not, which was interesting because they made an

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Speaker 11: announcement about two or three hours ahead of the debate

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Speaker 11: that she wasn't going to show up tonight. And of

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Speaker 11: course there was no audience there, which I think, honestly

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Speaker 11: and in the spin room afterwards, they were just even Republicans.

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Speaker 11: And this was a disaster for Trump, but I think

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Speaker 11: he would have played much better with an audience there.

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Speaker 11: And then of course you've got Milania who's also making

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Speaker 11: her headlines because she's she wants more to come out

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Speaker 11: assassination attempt against her husband and these videos that have

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Speaker 11: been released on social media. She's got a book that's

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Speaker 11: coming out. I got to tell you, though, these commercials,

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Speaker 11: this is just a very clever marketing campaign. It reminds

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Speaker 11: me of the old Elizabeth Taylor commercial that she used

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Speaker 11: to do for her perfume. I think it was called

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Speaker 11: White Diamonds. I mean, it's a very stylized kind of

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Speaker 11: campaign that she's doing. But it's all for this book

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Speaker 11: right now, and I think that got kind of pushed

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Speaker 11: to the back burner after the debate tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Dan, thank you. Has always really appreciate your time,

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Speaker 2: and good luck weathering the remaining weeks of this campaign.

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Speaker 2: That's Dan Mitchinson, the US correspondent who was watching it

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Speaker 2: for US. David Seymour's Treaty Principal's Bill is again in

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Speaker 2: the news with US today and the reason is a

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Speaker 2: couple of couple of reasons. The first one is it's

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Speaker 2: going to spend six months at Select Committee. Six months.

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Speaker 2: That is a long time for US to be talking

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Speaker 2: about the Treaty Principal's Bill at Select Committee. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: it's apparently the standard time for things to go to

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Speaker 2: Select Committee, but most things that go to Select Committee up,

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Speaker 2: you know, not this contentious, right, So they have like

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Speaker 2: bubble along. It's Select Committee. You sort of dip in

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Speaker 2: and dip out every now and again. Maybe you get

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Speaker 2: like three or four news stories out of it. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. If you're lucky, you might get seven. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: This thing is going to be fiery from start to finish,

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a long six months for

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Speaker 2: the National Party. I would say, I'm kind of I

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Speaker 2: have to be honest, I'm surprised the NATS have given

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Speaker 2: him six months on this. This is a big win

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Speaker 2: for David Symore because you don't have to have six months.

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Speaker 2: You could you could see it there for a day

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Speaker 2: and then shut it down that day. It's a liqimity bye,

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Speaker 2: bring it back. They have let him have the full

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Speaker 2: six months, which means they're going to white tonguey next

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Speaker 2: year with this thing still going on. So anyway, there

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Speaker 2: is more because they've released the final the final version

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Speaker 2: of what the principles will look like in the bill.

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Speaker 2: I'm run you through that as well. I'm Barry Soopers

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Speaker 2: with us next sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certain Barr Senior Political Correspondence with US at Barry Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I guess that you think that Kamala Harris will a debate.

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Speaker 12: Oh, well, there's no guess, because you know that. I

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Speaker 12: do know that. I think you know the fact of

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Speaker 12: the matter is that the big question and the lead

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Speaker 12: up to this debate was was Carmela Harris going to

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Speaker 12: be a match for Donald Trump? The question She was

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Speaker 12: more than a match. She flawed the man. The man

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Speaker 12: was like a Joe Biden, sitting there grumpy and almost

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Speaker 12: looking as though he was going to sleep at times,

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Speaker 12: probably inwardly fuming. Though the moderators I heard Dan mention

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Speaker 12: about them pushing back against Trump, but they were being

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Speaker 12: sensible because he was talking so much rubbish that was

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Speaker 12: clearly disputable, and they on a couple of occasions disputed

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Speaker 12: what he had said before moving to Karmala Harris. But look,

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Speaker 12: here's bits of the debate edited by me Philly Heavily.

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Speaker 8: Of course, her vice presidential pick, which I think was

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Speaker 8: a horrible pick by the way, for our country, because

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Speaker 8: he is really out of it. But her vice presidential

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Speaker 8: pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

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Speaker 8: He also says execution after birth, it's an execution, no

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Speaker 8: longer abortion because the baby is born is okay, and

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Speaker 8: that's not okay with me.

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Speaker 11: There is no state in this country where it is

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Speaker 11: legal to kill a baby after it's born.

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Speaker 7: Mount and Vice President want to get your response to

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Speaker 7: President Trump. Well, as I said, you're going to hear

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Speaker 7: a bunch of lies. And that's not actually a surprising fact.

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Speaker 8: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in,

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Speaker 8: They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets

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Speaker 8: of the people that live there. Talk about extreme I

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Speaker 8: probably took a bullet to the head because of the

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Speaker 8: things that they say about me. They talk about democracy,

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Speaker 8: I'm a threat to democracy.

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Speaker 7: What is important is that there is a president who

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Speaker 7: actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting

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Speaker 7: people up and not beating people down and name calling.

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Speaker 8: She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals

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Speaker 8: that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis. She went out

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Speaker 8: and raised money to get them out of jail. She

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Speaker 8: did things that nobody would ever think of. Now she

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Speaker 8: wants to do transgender operations or illegal aliens that are

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Speaker 8: in prison.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, the candidate, has said in this election, there

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Speaker 7: will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of

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Speaker 7: this election is not to his liking. Let's turn the

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Speaker 7: page on this, Let's not go back. Let's chart a

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Speaker 7: course for the future here.

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Speaker 2: Here to that, okay, guy, I mean what we were

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Speaker 2: hoping for was some political analysis. This way you can vote.

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Speaker 12: Of course, I hope don't have a vote, but honestly,

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Speaker 12: you could have picked out so many more stupid things

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Speaker 12: that Trump said. I mean, I think he's lost it.

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Speaker 12: And you think Joe Biden on the last debate was bad,

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Speaker 12: I think Donald Trump was equally as bad, if not worse.

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Speaker 2: Which is you actually, because you've been a long time

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you.

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Speaker 12: Know, we here a Trump. I followed Trump in his

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Speaker 12: first campaign for the White House against Hillary Clinton, and

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Speaker 12: I've got to say, you know, I thought that Hillary

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Speaker 12: Clinton would beat him because I thought nobody could vote

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Speaker 12: a man that has thoughts like Donald Trump and as

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Speaker 12: an out and out misogynist and somebody that you wouldn't

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Speaker 12: have around your dinner table. But they did. They voted

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Speaker 12: him in, and the Americans were so loyal to him.

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Speaker 12: When I challenged a few of them, the terrorists who

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Speaker 12: were back here in New Zealand, I got my head

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Speaker 12: bitten off that Donald Trump was just amazing. While I'm sorry,

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Speaker 12: you know from where I said. I look at politics,

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Speaker 12: and I have done for many years. I have never

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Speaker 12: seen a person like Trump running for such an important office.

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Speaker 2: Have you managed to look at the Treaty Principles bill,

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Speaker 2: the ones that have been agreed the Treaty Principles?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well no, I haven't looked at the bill, but

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Speaker 12: I heard you mentioning I've got audio, but I won't

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Speaker 12: play it because we're probably running out of time. Because

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Speaker 12: it was it came up in the House today and

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Speaker 12: David Seema, you'll be aware of the poll that was

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Speaker 12: taken earlier this year. It was a Curier poll that

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Speaker 12: showed to sixty two percent of Labor supporters were in

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Speaker 12: favor of the Treaty Principal's Bill and sixty sixty six

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Speaker 12: percent of National were in favor. So I was waiving

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Speaker 12: that about today when he was being questioned by Willie Jackson.

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Speaker 12: But look that six months select committee time. That can

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Speaker 12: be cut back quite easily because the National Party will

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Speaker 12: chair the committee that considers it. But if they've run

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Speaker 12: out of submissions, it's going to be very hard for

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Speaker 12: them to extend it.

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Speaker 2: Run out of submission.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, somebody very senior in Parliament told me

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Speaker 12: the other day that he thought probably four months. But

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Speaker 12: even at four months, all right, time it'll go over

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Speaker 12: the go over White Tangy weekend and that'll you know,

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Speaker 12: there'll be problems up at white Tangy because of it.

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Speaker 12: So certain he is causing a few problems, there's no

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Speaker 12: doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated that he's managed to get this one over

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Speaker 2: the line for that long. From the nets.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know it's its form when a bill is

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Speaker 12: referred to a select committee. Six months. Six months is

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Speaker 12: the time that's written. But you know it can be sure,

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Speaker 12: it can be longer. But you know they're giving him

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Speaker 12: what is expected of a bill when it goes to

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Speaker 12: a select committee.

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Speaker 2: Barry, thank you very much, really appreciate it, very so

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Speaker 2: for senior political correspondence coming up eight away from five,

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Speaker 2: putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newsmakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: So outside the powerscrapt the mill closure, massive blow of

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Speaker 13: course for regional New Zealand, two hundred and thirty jobs

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Speaker 13: just like that, so that old regions in real trouble.

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Speaker 13: The Minister of for Regional development of the Associate Energy

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Speaker 13: Minister as well Shane Jones.

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Speaker 10: As with us, one thing we can control as the

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Speaker 10: structure and the competitiveness of our power prices each Jim

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Speaker 10: Taylor's who quite frankly have ruled over various governments, intimidated

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Speaker 10: them and look, do you want an economy where the

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Speaker 10: price of power is internationally competitive to keep businesses functioning?

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Speaker 10: Or do you want to disemvalue economy and turn it into.

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Speaker 14: An important model.

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Speaker 10: I don't want that, which is why Sime and Brown

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Speaker 10: and I are signing off the criteria. But the review

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Speaker 10: of the power sector will involve structural separation.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking breakfast with

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Speaker 13: the Jaguar f pace used talk ZB right.

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Speaker 2: This is the news on meth and X five away

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Speaker 2: from five. By the way, METHA and X. This is

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Speaker 2: terrible news for the regions of New Zealand. Read the

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Speaker 2: energy prices and what's going on with gas. Meth and

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Speaker 2: X is now going to shed staff and it's going

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Speaker 2: to move from a two plant operation to a one

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Speaker 2: plant operation. It says for the foreseeable future. But you

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Speaker 2: know how these things work. Once they shut them down,

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Speaker 2: they ain't coming back at the moment, they have everything

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Speaker 2: shut down basically until the end of next month because

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Speaker 2: they've sold the gas remember to Contact Energy and Genesis

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Speaker 2: Energy basically to keep the country's lights on. They are

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Speaker 2: now consulting on returning to a smaller operation with fewer

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Speaker 2: roles than just one plant with the other indefinitely idled.

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Speaker 2: Now this is really bad news, unfortunately for Taranaky, because Taranaki,

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that was a very prosperous region pre

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and it is now really suffering. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think still there's still obviously some prosperity going on there,

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Speaker 2: but it's really suffering and it's going to take a

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Speaker 2: blow with this one. We're going to talk to Neil Holden,

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Speaker 2: the local mayor. He'll be with us quarter past quarter

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Speaker 2: past five or half past five. Lord, everything's changing on

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Speaker 2: us as the show goes on, because there's so much

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Speaker 2: happening at the moment, So half past five he's going

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Speaker 2: to be with us on that situation. Wide or another

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Speaker 2: region that's having a bit of trouble. Slightly vindicated and

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Speaker 2: Wide are because hawks. They remember they were saying that

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Speaker 2: the reason that they flooded in June was because Hawk's

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Speaker 2: Bay Regional Council. Who are we're faster developing the impression

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Speaker 2: they're a bunch of numpties. They didn't go and clear

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Speaker 2: the bar, remember the sand bar ahead of the storm,

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Speaker 2: so all the water backed up and flooded the town.

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Speaker 2: Mike Bush, old sexy police commissioner has formerly still sexy though,

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Speaker 2: has done the investigation. What it's an objective statement, isn't he?

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, point to another one that was

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Speaker 2: as sexy as that anyway in my very good as

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Speaker 2: job as well, which is the most important thing uses

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Speaker 2: of freaking out anyway. So whatever, So he went and

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Speaker 2: had to look at it, and he found out, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: kind of surprising that they weren't actually clearing the bars.

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Speaker 2: So we have a chant to the wider woman at

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Speaker 2: some stage, it's gonna calm down now, talk.

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Speaker 1: You soon, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news dog said.

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Speaker 9: Be they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.

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Speaker 8: They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets.

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Speaker 7: When we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the

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Speaker 7: issues that affect the American people are not being a

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Speaker 7: I think the choice is clear.

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Speaker 9: In this election.

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Speaker 8: She wants to confiscate your guns and she will never

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Speaker 8: allow frakin.

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Speaker 7: In Pennsylvania, people start leaving his rallies early out of

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Speaker 7: exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you the one

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Speaker 7: thing you will not hear him.

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Speaker 2: Talk about is you.

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Speaker 8: All I can say is I read where she was

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Speaker 8: not black. I'll say that, And then I read that

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Speaker 8: she was black, and that's okay.

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Speaker 7: I intend to be a president for all Americans and

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Speaker 7: focus on what we can do over the next ten

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Speaker 7: and twenty years to build back up our country by

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Speaker 7: investing right now in you, the American people.

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Speaker 15: What these people have done to our country and they're

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Speaker 15: destroying our country. The worst president the vice president in

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Speaker 15: the history of our country.

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are faced off in

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Speaker 2: their first presidential debate. Now, Alan Lickman is the name

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Speaker 2: many will know. He's correctly predicted almost every US election

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Speaker 2: outcome in four decades. He was watching the debate. Ellen Hallow, Hello,

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Speaker 2: So it's very good to talk to you. Was there

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Speaker 2: an obvious winner there for you?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 16: I thought it was crystal clear that Harris was the winner,

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Speaker 16: not that she was so great. She was good, maybe

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Speaker 16: very good. Trump was abysmal. He got baited by Harris

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Speaker 16: time and time again to get off focus, talk about

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Speaker 16: crowd size, people leaving his crowd the Central Park five

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Speaker 16: and you know when he was really right in calling

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Speaker 16: for their execution. You know, his handlers had been constantly

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Speaker 16: telling him focus on the economy. Tell us, you know,

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Speaker 16: your plans for the economy wasn't there. And you know,

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Speaker 16: no matter what the question was, he went off and

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Speaker 16: off and on about immigration. You know, he was even asked,

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Speaker 16: you know, for nine years you said you're going to

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Speaker 16: come up with a healthcare plan concepts. How are you

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Speaker 16: going to end the Ukraine War? He didn't have an answer.

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Speaker 16: How are you going to deport eleven to twelve million

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Speaker 16: undocumented Immigrants's not as if they all live in communities

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Speaker 16: with a big sign undocumented immigrants live here. They're mingled

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Speaker 16: in with the general population. You'd have to demand proof

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Speaker 16: from tens of millions of Americans. No answer to that.

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Speaker 16: And I think the one thing that people will remember

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Speaker 16: from Trump, because it was so off the rails, so insane,

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Speaker 16: is this idea of immigrants eating people's pets. People can

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Speaker 16: relate to that. You know, the details of policy can

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Speaker 16: go over people's heads, but people know just how nutty

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Speaker 16: and how crazy that was. And you know, Trump spoke,

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Speaker 16: had a lot more speaking time than Harris, but you

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Speaker 16: know it was it was rambling and off topic. He finally,

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Speaker 16: in the last few seconds of the debate made a

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Speaker 16: very strong point, and that is, all right, You've got

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Speaker 16: all these wonderful plans. Why haven't you implemented them in

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Speaker 16: the three and a half years you're in office. That came,

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Speaker 16: you know, in the eleventh hour and fifty ninth minute

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Speaker 16: of the debate, and you just got lost. That would

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Speaker 16: have been a very good theme instead of all this

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Speaker 16: off topic stuff for Trump to develop.

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Speaker 2: I thought, Ellen, you make some very good points, But

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Speaker 2: do you think this is going to change anybody's vote.

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Speaker 2: If you love Kamala, you're going to stick with Camelin.

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Speaker 2: If you love Trump, You're gonna stick with him, aren't you.

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Speaker 16: That's that's not true. First of all, I made my

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Speaker 16: prediction deliberately before this debate that Harris would be the

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Speaker 16: first women president of the United States, because I did

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Speaker 16: not believe events of the campaign influence the outcome, and

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Speaker 16: certainly there was nothing about this debate that would shake

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Speaker 16: the prediction that before the debate, right, So in that's sense,

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Speaker 16: and I thought it. You know, it was important that

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Speaker 16: Harris didn't have a complete meltdown, or far from it.

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Speaker 16: You know, the much more of a meltdown was by Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that was the point I was

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Speaker 2: trying to make. The debate is not really going to

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Speaker 2: change anyone's mind, is it. I want to ask you though,

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Speaker 2: about your keys, Ellen, because this is particularly fascinating this

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Speaker 2: time around your third key of your thirteen, which is

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Speaker 2: about incumbency. You are considering Kamala Harris not the incumbent.

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Speaker 2: But this is a little bit tricky this time, right,

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Speaker 2: because she's not the incumbent, but she's tied to the incumbent,

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Speaker 2: isn't she.

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Speaker 16: Well, we've had vice presidents running before. George J. W. Bush,

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Speaker 16: Robert Reagan's vice president ran in nineteen eighty eight, Richard Nixon,

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Speaker 16: Dwight Eisenhower's vice president ran in nineteen sixty. They don't

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Speaker 16: get the key. The key is binary. The sitting president

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Speaker 16: is running is needed to turn that key in favor

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Speaker 16: of the encore. But I don't freelance. I don't attempt

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Speaker 16: to second guess. If you're going to use my system,

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Speaker 16: you've got to stick to how the keys are defined

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Speaker 16: and not try to put your own gloss on them.

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Speaker 16: If you want to do that, develop your own system,

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Speaker 16: I welcome it.

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Speaker 2: Ellen. Also, am I reading this right? But you do

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Speaker 2: not consider either of these two to be charismatic?

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Speaker 16: That's correct. And again, don't get hung up on the word.

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Speaker 16: You've got to read my book Predicting the Next President,

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Speaker 16: which I carefully define the meaning, and that is to

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Speaker 16: win this key if you're the incumbent, or to turn

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Speaker 16: it against the incumbent if you're the challenger. You have

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Speaker 16: to be one of those once in a generation inspirational,

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Speaker 16: transformational candidate across party lines. The iconic examples are Franklin

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Speaker 16: Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. Whatever you may think of Harris,

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Speaker 16: he's not a Franklin Roosevelt. Now we know Trump is

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Speaker 16: a sh but he doesn't fit the definition of the

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Speaker 16: key because he only appeals to a narrow base. Unlike

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Speaker 16: Reagan or FDR, who won six elections and landslides, Trump

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Speaker 16: lost the popular vote in two elections combined by ten

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Speaker 16: million votes, and his approval rating in four years as

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Speaker 16: president was forty one percent, right at the bottom historically

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Speaker 16: of all presidents. So appealing to a narrow base, however

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Speaker 16: much you do so, does not fit the definition of

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Speaker 16: the key.

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Speaker 2: Allan, it's good to talk to you, really respect you work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's Ellen Lickman, us historian who

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Speaker 2: is predicted, as I said earlier, almost every single US

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Speaker 2: election correctly in the last four decades.

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Speaker 9: Heather due to see Alan hither.

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Speaker 2: I work in you Plymouth. I'm in a support industry

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Speaker 2: to agriculture, transport and the energy sector. I am literally

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Speaker 2: on gardening leave next to no work breakdowns, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Coming through. I expect to lose my job. That's from

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Speaker 2: Don We got a statement from Methodis, and I've got

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Looks like they're going to

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Speaker 2: shut the whole thing down in this country. At some stage.

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Speaker 2: You'll get you across that shortly. It's coming up quarter past.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, there's a company that makes

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Speaker 2: an impact so large it changes entire interest industries. Enter

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Speaker 2: byd right at this point, from humble beginnings as a

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Speaker 2: battery maker in nineteen ninety five. BYD has exploded into

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Speaker 2: a titan with eight hundred thousand employees. And they're not

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Speaker 2: just in your pocket with phone batteries anymore. They're on

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Speaker 2: your streets with buses, they're in your factories with forklifts,

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Speaker 2: and they even kept you safe during the pandemic as

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Speaker 2: the world's largest mask producer. For BYD, it's all about

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Speaker 2: engineering and the environment. And here's the kicker. BYD is

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Speaker 2: an engineering powerhouse. Picture this Toyota. The current auto king

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Speaker 2: has sixty thousand engineers. BYD one hundred and three thousand

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Speaker 2: engineers and counting, and they're cranking out fifteen new patents

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Speaker 2: every single day. So it's no wonder their cars are

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Speaker 2: turning heads. BYD isn't just riding the wave of the future,

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Speaker 2: they're actually creating it. If you're curious about this, you

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Speaker 2: want to dive into the BYD revolution at BYD Auto

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Speaker 2: dot Co dot NZ. The future is charged and ready

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Speaker 2: ever duplicy Ellen teen past five now. Mike bush Lad

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Speaker 2: review into the response to the wide ware flood has

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Speaker 2: found that Hawks Bay Regional Council really needs to Bucket's

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Speaker 2: ideas up. Remember how the locals and Widewall were saying

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Speaker 2: that the flooding was the council's fault because the council

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Speaker 2: hadn't cleared the sandbar. Well, this review says, it's actually

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Speaker 2: surprised the bar wasn't cleared regularly. Craig Little is the

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Speaker 2: mirror of white Oi and with us. Now, hey, Craig, hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well, thank you? Do you

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Speaker 2: feel vindicated?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm fessed a little bit relieved. The command has

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Speaker 17: been a big journey for us, and we doubt our

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Speaker 17: sales every day, but we knew that we were right.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't completely blamed the council though, for this flooding event.

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Speaker 2: Has it.

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Speaker 17: Well, there's three things that we're not happy about, and

868
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Speaker 17: that's the highest well, the high spring tie and the

869
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 17: high waves. We can completely categorically say that it's not

870
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Speaker 17: true that it is just a yearly, annual event, and

871
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Speaker 17: we have the facts and figures to prove that. So

872
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Speaker 17: that's the only thing that goes against it. But everything else,

873
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Speaker 17: if those three weren't there, it's a combination of four things. Well,

874
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 17: actually it's only a combination one thing, and that's the

875
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Speaker 17: river mouth the bar.

876
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, it's pretty it is pretty scathing of the

877
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: fact that these guys at the hawks Bury Reginal Council

878
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: should be clearing out that bar more regularly and should

879
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: be listening to what you people are saying. So do

880
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: you think anything's actually going to change?

881
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 17: Look, I've heard. Look, the biggest thing is the id

882
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 17: apology I've been asking for for quite some time. Is

883
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 17: that going to happen now? And I guess that's number one?

884
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 17: NeSSI they all have got to say the sorry, you know,

885
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 17: and actually have a bit of empathy for all the

886
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Speaker 17: poor people that are still suffering. And so that'll be

887
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 17: a big one for me. But some big improvements have

888
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 17: to happen.

889
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Speaker 2: Yep. Do you have confidence?

890
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 17: Not at the stage. No one's runging me from the

891
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 17: Regial Council or anything really except to say that they're

892
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 17: going to have a release and wire on the Friday

893
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Speaker 17: because they've got their own three reports as well.

894
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Speaker 4: Don't forget.

895
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Speaker 17: Yeah, And totally different to the Mike Busch. Mike Bush did,

896
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Speaker 17: I think did a wonderful job and like say, there's

897
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Speaker 17: only three things that the three things that he referred

898
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Speaker 17: to Tonkin and Taylor that happens to be a Regial

899
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 17: Council report and the things we don't agree on. But

900
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Speaker 17: he had a very short time frames, so he did

901
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Speaker 17: do well.

902
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Speaker 2: Craig, thank you. I really appreciate your time and how

903
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Speaker 2: generously being at the moment. That's Craig Little, Mayor of

904
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Speaker 2: wider Way. So look, as I was telling you, we've

905
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Speaker 2: got more details on the treaty principles build the full

906
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Speaker 2: the three proposed principles. The full three proposed principles have

907
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: now been released and they are much much much bigger

908
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: than what was originally suggested by the act Party. Basically,

909
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: the first three the first version of this was just

910
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: one line for each. This is much more comprehensive. The

911
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: second the second set of principles based on the Second Treaty.

912
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Speaker 2: The second article of the treaty is the most contentious

913
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: one really, so one that's getting all of the resistance.

914
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Speaker 2: This is what it is. It's the headline is rights

915
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Speaker 2: of Hapoo and Ewe Maori. The Crown recognizes the rights

916
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Speaker 2: that Hapoo and e We had when they signed the treaty.

917
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: The Crown will respect and protect those rights. Those rights

918
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Speaker 2: differ from the rights everyone has a reasonable expectation to

919
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: enjoy only when they are specified in legislation, treaty settlements,

920
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: or other agreement with the crown. So basically saying, everybody's

921
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: got the same rights to property in Taunga and whatever else,

922
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: except four when those rights are specified in legislation, in

923
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: treaty settlements or other agreements with the crown. Now, I

924
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: feel like that will go somewhere to neutralizing some of

925
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: the more rational disagreement with the treaty Principal's bell. But

926
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Speaker 2: if you just hate it because you hate it, you're

927
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Speaker 2: going to continue to hate it. We're going to speak

928
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Speaker 2: to Helmet Modlick of Nazi Tour after half past six.

929
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Speaker 2: It's five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need

931
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Speaker 1: Heather duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

932
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk.

933
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: As that'd be Heather, I thought Krmala Harris's best moment

934
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Speaker 2: was her comments on the disaster created by division by

935
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Speaker 2: race and her intention to make the US one people. Mary,

936
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Speaker 2: thank you, coming up. What's actually twenty four past five?

937
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: Now listen, here we are again and we're having the

938
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Speaker 2: debate in the papers and in the beehive and in Parliament.

939
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Speaker 2: About whether Wellington is dying. It's not a new debate,

940
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: but it's cropped up again, and this time it's been

941
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Speaker 2: sparked by all of the closures in the city in

942
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Speaker 2: the last few weeks. Pandoro, which we talked about on Friday,

943
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: and Egmont Street Eatery and Evit Thomas, Evit Edwards, the

944
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: Florist and so on. Is much bigger list than that,

945
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: But that's just the most recent. Opinion is divided as

946
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: you would expect. Nikola Willis, local Wellington MP, says no,

947
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: it's not dying. But I suspect she knows the truth.

948
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Speaker 2: She's just saying that because she doesn't want her government

949
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Speaker 2: to be blamed for it, because they've done all the

950
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: public sackings which are hurting the city at the moment.

951
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: Young Wellington residents who want a more vibrant place to

952
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: live they say, yeah, it is dying when you ask them,

953
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Speaker 2: And a political writer at The Herald who lives there suggested, no,

954
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Speaker 2: Wellington's not dying. It just feels sorry for itself because

955
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: of the sackings and so on. Look, I'll be honest

956
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: with you, this is not even up for debate.

957
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 6: For me.

958
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm very clear on this one. Absolutely, Wellington is dying.

959
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: It's a fact. It's been dying for decades. And when

960
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: John Key said it eleven years ago and copped a

961
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: lot of criticism for it and backtracked a bit, he

962
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't have because it's actually right, it was dying. People

963
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: who are looking at the unemployment numbers over the last

964
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: year at the moment, or the house prices over the

965
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: last year, all blaming the government for the sackings, they

966
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: missed the point entirely. Wellington isn't dying because of the

967
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: public sackings that are going on at the moment, or

968
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: the homeless people that the Council and the previous government

969
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: have crammed into the central city and the emergency hotels,

970
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: or it's not even dying because of the diggers that

971
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: appear to have been sitting on Taranaki Street in the

972
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: Central City for what feels like a year now. Wellington

973
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: was dying a long time before all of this. Wellington

974
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Speaker 2: has been dying since the big corporates left decades ago.

975
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: It used to be the city where the banks and

976
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: the big corporates at headquarters and from Terrors based and

977
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: all those guys. It was the big place in New Zealand.

978
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: It isn't anymore. Everybody's left for Auckland, right. You spend

979
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: a weekend in Wellington and then spend a weekend in

980
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: Auckland and it's going to leave you an absolutely no doubt.

981
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: Wellington's lost its buzz. It will never die completely. As

982
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: long as it is the seat of government and where

983
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: the public sector is and where Peter Jackson chooses to

984
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: live and work, it will always have something going on.

985
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: But it is getting smaller, it is getting less vibrant,

986
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: and it is going backwards when the rest of us

987
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: are all pushing ahead and going forwards. And nowadays the

988
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: bigger problem for Wellington is that it's not just competing

989
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: against Auckland and christ and it's now competing against Melbourne

990
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: and Sydney and Singapore in a world that is so

991
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: much more connected. And when young people can live anywhere

992
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: in any one of those places, why would they choose Wellington?

993
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: Why would they say that Wellington beats Melbourne or Wellington

994
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 2: beat Sydney. I'm sad to say this about a city

995
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: that I've loved living in, But if you had to

996
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: choose between any of these places, you would not choose Wellington,

997
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: would you ever do?

998
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: For see, Ellen, I have got.

999
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: To tell you about the You know, I tell you

1000
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: all the time that Wellington City Council is stupid, But

1001
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 2: when you hear the evidence that I've got this time around,

1002
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: it's going to be slam dunkn you. If you even

1003
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: sort of like sitting on the fence or vacillating on this,

1004
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: you will one hundred percent agree with me. You just

1005
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: wait to hear that very good news. Can I just

1006
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: say that Kmart is opening a store at Auckland's Westgate.

1007
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: Well done Westgate, scoring yourself a Kmart. It's going to

1008
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: be the biggest Kmart store in the country, six seven

1009
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: hundred square meters twenty four hours it'll be open, which

1010
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: is a bit over the top, but I just want

1011
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: to throw a big so who to Kmart because I

1012
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: went there today to buy kid's shoes twelve bucks as

1013
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: opposed to the other ones I was buying at eighty bucks.

1014
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, Kmart's doing well for itself, isn't it.

1015
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: Headline's next on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app

1016
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: and in your car on your drive home. Hither duple

1017
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: c Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1018
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: and you talk asz'd.

1019
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: Be hebe aging population. Now, this is the thing that

1020
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: we've been talking about a lot, just as a bunch

1021
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: of people, you know, citizens, policymakers, people who are interested

1022
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: in the news, investors are starting to make what probably

1023
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: half age has actually been making decisions about this. Debra

1024
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: Lamby's going to talk us through. She's off Milford Asset Management.

1025
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: She will be with us in about forty five minutes

1026
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: or thereabouts. Hither you are wrong this and starting with

1027
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: the previous council this is in Wellington, have been ruining Wellington.

1028
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: They've made a hostile environment and an absolute mess with

1029
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: the bike lay. It remind me to tell you about

1030
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: the bike thing, the stupid decision from the council. They

1031
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: run in front of people's homes where they can't even

1032
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: park outside their own house.

1033
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 6: Listen.

1034
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: I agree that the current council in Wellington is accelerating

1035
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: the decline of the city, but the current council and

1036
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: the previous council under Justin Lester and the previous council

1037
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: under Celia Wade Brown are not to blame for the

1038
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: situation entirely that they find themselves in. What happened is

1039
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: all the big corporates left yoonks ago and went to

1040
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: a brighter, sunnier, warmer place called Auckland. And what properly

1041
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: happened is they took a whole bunch of rational voters

1042
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: with them, and a whole bunch of people who cared

1043
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: about money and understood how money worked. And when all

1044
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: those voters went away, they just left all these other

1045
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: like loonies in Wellington voting in a green council all

1046
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: the time? Can that maybe be part of the problem?

1047
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: Twenty three away from six ether Do for Sea, Ellen's

1048
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: more bad news, unfortunately for Central North Island regions. In

1049
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: the last hour method X has announced it's planning to

1050
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: scale down its operation. It's going to cut staff and

1051
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: it's going to move from two plants down to one.

1052
00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: Now.

1053
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: This is, unfortunately, just one day after Windstone announced it's

1054
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: going to close its two mills in Little a Pea.

1055
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: Who district New Plymouth Mayor Neil hold Them is with

1056
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: me on this, hey.

1057
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 4: Neil, gooday Neil.

1058
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: There were rumors right, and they've been doing the rounds

1059
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: for a little while. Did you see this coming?

1060
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 10: Oh?

1061
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 18: Look, we saw this coming in twenty eighteen with the

1062
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 18: last government's flawed energy policy. This is a direct and

1063
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 18: logical consequence. It was always going to happen. We told

1064
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 18: them it would happen. Our omissions are going up and

1065
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 18: New Zealand manufacturers are suffering. And what astounds me is

1066
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 18: that in the face of you know, basically this is

1067
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 18: a policy which is going to shut down New Zealand manufacturing.

1068
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 18: That And I went and spoke with Chris Haipkins and

1069
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 18: Meghan Woods and Labor and said, come on, you've seen

1070
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 18: the evidence. Kat, can you actually change your policy. Let's

1071
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 18: find a middle way, work with the opposition, I mean,

1072
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 18: work with the government, and let's get out there and

1073
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 18: get some gas and get people working again and we

1074
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 18: can get emissions down. And the response I got is

1075
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 18: it's a bottom line, we're not going to change.

1076
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: Well is the gas to get though? Because I mean,

1077
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: I am very sympathetic to your argument. But Richard Tweedy,

1078
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: formerly of Toddy Energy, spoke yesterday to Business disconced there

1079
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: just isn't gays. We're running out.

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Speaker 18: Well, the reality is we've had since since twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 18: the incentives to go looking for it haven't been there.

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Speaker 18: We've you know, that there was some work done to

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Speaker 18: chase after you know, the stuff that was already kind

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Speaker 18: of in development. But you know, we know that if

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Speaker 18: we were out looking and looking hard and there was

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Speaker 18: a long term, you know, a positive, long term outlook

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Speaker 18: that that I sort of went through the electoral cycles.

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Speaker 19: That there would be more gas out there.

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Speaker 18: But the reality is the last government wanted to turn

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Speaker 18: off the tap. And you know what astounds me. I

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Speaker 18: saw the unions in terms of the mills having a

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Speaker 18: crack at the current government. But they need to be

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Speaker 18: asking these politicians that they support, well, what's your policy

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Speaker 18: going to do for us? Because don't think this is

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Speaker 18: the last one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the.

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Speaker 18: Dairy workers were at their just Transition event and I said,

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Speaker 18: how are we going to dry millions and millions of

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Speaker 18: leaders of milk power milk every year during the flush

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Speaker 18: and keep everybody working in the dairy factories if the

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Speaker 18: price of energy goes through the roof? And how are

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Speaker 18: we going to keep our emissions down if we're replacing

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Speaker 18: gas with coal? And you know the answer I got

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Speaker 18: was are you know that? That's a good question, Neil,

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Speaker 18: But we're not sure that there's a future for the

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Speaker 18: dairy industry anyway, and it was like you what, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cookie Staffe, what's it going to do this methan X decision?

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Speaker 2: What's this going to do to your region?

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Speaker 18: Look, it's it's that there's I think, you know, potentially

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Speaker 18: around seventy good hard working Kiwis are going to lose

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Speaker 18: their jobs, and they're really good jobs at metics. They're

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Speaker 18: well locked. After the other thing is met Necks has

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Speaker 18: historically anchored the gas expiration in New Zealand because they

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Speaker 18: basically say, we'll buy everything that you can produce. So

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Speaker 18: it's good that methodics have said we're still going to

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Speaker 18: you know, we're still hanging on by our fingernails, and

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Speaker 18: there is an opportunity for the opposition to step up

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Speaker 18: and say to New Zealanders we're going to put our

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Speaker 18: you know, we're going to put our country before our

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Speaker 18: party political objectives and do the right thing. And that's

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Speaker 18: you know, I've asked for another meeting with presciptions. He's

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Speaker 18: shown that he can be pragmatic and I have you know,

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Speaker 18: confidence that eventually, if you know, if people see the

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Speaker 18: evidence of poor decision making, eventually they will change their minds.

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Speaker 18: So that that really is what we need and then

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Speaker 18: I believe that, you know, with the with both sides

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Speaker 18: of the House committing to an energy policy that keeps

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Speaker 18: New Zealanders in work and allows us to manufacture, that

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Speaker 18: we will be able to attract investment and find more

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Speaker 18: gas and then we don't need to import Indonesian cold.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, very good argument, Neil, Thank you. Neil hold him

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Speaker 2: new Plymouth mayor.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, we've got Jack Tame,

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Speaker 2: host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings here on

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Speaker 2: z'd be hello Jack, Hey, and we're supposed to have

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union, but Jordan, it turns out,

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Speaker 2: has Jordan has notifications silenced on his phone.

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Speaker 6: So look, we know what Jordan would We know roughly

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Speaker 6: what Jordan would say, right, I know that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be.

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Speaker 6: Jordan and I'll be me?

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Speaker 2: Or can I be you and you be Jordan?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Honestly.

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Speaker 2: Heather then asks who won the debate and Jack goes, oh, Carmela,

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Speaker 2: hands down.

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Speaker 6: You know Jack, Jack doesn't think hands down?

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Speaker 2: Can I can I go back to being Jack and

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Speaker 2: it's much better.

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Speaker 6: I reckon, No, I reckon you won, but I reckon

1155
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Speaker 6: that like confirmation bias plays such a big role in

1156
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Speaker 6: all things. So many analysts watch this stuff and go like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: look at Karmala Watcher and you've got you've really got

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Speaker 6: to try and put yourself in the position of a

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Speaker 6: Trump voter or of someone who I can't believe there's

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Speaker 6: anyone still in this position who hasn't made up their

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Speaker 6: mind heading into November's election. So yeah, I reckon tem

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Speaker 6: Harris will be happier than Team Trump tonight, but I

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Speaker 6: reckon they shouldn't be too happy because I reckon she

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Speaker 6: actually stumbled on a couple of big things. So the

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Speaker 6: first of all, the very first question of the night was,

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Speaker 6: can you say, Carmala Harris to the American people that

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Speaker 6: economically they are better off today than they were four

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Speaker 6: years ago when you and Joe Biden took the White House?

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Speaker 6: And I thought she was super super weak.

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Speaker 2: Didn't come.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you shoudn't, shuldn't come close to answering the question.

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Speaker 6: But also I just thought she looked really nervous and

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Speaker 6: she didn't really have a coherent answer to that, and

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Speaker 6: you've got to remember that when it comes to policy,

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Speaker 6: the American voters say the issue they care about most

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Speaker 6: at the moment is the economy, ahead of immigration, ahead

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Speaker 6: of abortion rights. It's the economy, it's the cost of living,

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Speaker 6: and I reckon she's still pretty weak on that. That

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Speaker 6: being said, she obviously got more confident throughout the debate,

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Speaker 6: and every time Trump went off on one of those

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Speaker 6: trumpy and tangents and was kind of speaking semi coherently

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Speaker 6: at best, it obviously suited Kamala Harris. And I think

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Speaker 6: he just took the bait probably more times than he

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Speaker 6: should have. Instead of just saying, you know, he should

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Speaker 6: have every single answer, he should have just said, looked

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Speaker 6: at the camera and said, ask yourself this, Are you

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Speaker 6: better off today than you were four years ago? Are

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Speaker 6: you better off today than you were four years ago? Instead,

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Speaker 6: he was talking about eating cats and dogs, he was

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Speaker 6: talking about executing fetuses at nine months. He was talking

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Speaker 6: about some pretty wild stuff. And I don't think that helped.

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Speaker 2: Him so because I agree with you that that pretty

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Speaker 2: much everybody will have made up their mind and they

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Speaker 2: will see the winner that they want to see in this.

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Speaker 2: Then the question is okay, how do you win the election?

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Speaker 2: And the only way that you win the election if

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Speaker 2: everybody's made up their mind, is whether you can mobilize

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Speaker 2: enough of your voters as opposed to the other side.

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Speaker 2: Which of them is going to be the mobilizer.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it'll comes down to election momentum. And

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Speaker 6: if you think about the momentum of the last six

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Speaker 6: to eight weeks, it's very much been in the democrats favor.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it is kind of remarkable tonight that in

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Speaker 6: a debate that was almost one hundred minutes long, I

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Speaker 6: think there was one sentence that reference to Donald Trump's

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Speaker 6: attempted assassination, Like that's crazy that that happened in July

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Speaker 6: and it barely featured in that debate tonight. I mean,

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Speaker 6: he was shot in the air and it barely featured tonight.

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Speaker 6: But it just speaks to how the momentum has shifted.

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Speaker 6: And you know, when you think about not only the

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Speaker 6: performance tonight, in the fallout and you know everyone is saying, oh,

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Speaker 6: maybe Carmela had it or whatever, you know, and think

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Speaker 6: about Taylor Swift's endorsement, like, I don't think there are

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Speaker 6: people who were on the fence who are now going

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Speaker 6: to be supporting Karmala Harris because Taylor Swift is endorsing her.

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Speaker 6: But I do think Taylor Swift endorsing her helps her

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Speaker 6: with momentum. And the more momentum that Carmala Harris has,

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Speaker 6: the more likely she is to actually get people to

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Speaker 6: the polls, which.

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Speaker 2: Were moment minds, the little ones to go out and vote.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, we've got Jordan on the phone. But

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Speaker 2: I'm going to punish Jordan by just waiting some more.

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Speaker 2: So we'll come to Jordan shortly. Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing

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Speaker 2: It's slow the mark. They're back with the Huddle, Jack

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Speaker 2: Tame and Jordan Williams.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Jordan, I'm never going to want to just down there?

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Speaker 2: What were you doing?

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Speaker 14: I can report the wine bar on Woodward Street in

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Speaker 14: Wellington does not have reception for spark, but it does

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Speaker 14: have reception for one. And you happen to call my

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Speaker 14: business partner who was sitting next to me in his

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Speaker 14: sign rang and mind didn't.

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Speaker 2: This is how we work on this show. We know

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Speaker 2: everything about.

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Speaker 14: How we don't know how you knew who I.

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Speaker 2: Was to find your phone off with us. We've got

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Speaker 2: spies everywhere we are the s I s no, Jordan, listen,

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Speaker 2: thank you for for well, thank you for obviously being

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Speaker 2: with somebody we know that you would be with. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for being predictable.

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Speaker 14: I think you'll produce deserves a chocolate bush for that.

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Speaker 2: But yes, German spy who won the debate?

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Speaker 14: Oh, very clearly, camel this, I mean, Trump was very predictable,

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Speaker 14: whereas we, I mean we were all I think waiting

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Speaker 14: to see if Kamala Harris actually had some substance, and

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Speaker 14: she delivered. I mean, she's not my politics, but she

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Speaker 14: was impressive and considered string arguments together in a way

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Speaker 14: that clearly Donald Trump didn't he couldn't. There's lots of

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Speaker 14: assertions that as classics oft Donald Trump. I mean, it

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Speaker 14: is totally agree with Jack. It is just incredible to

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Speaker 14: think what where we were post assassination attempt. It looked

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Speaker 14: to be in the bag. How in the space of

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Speaker 14: what six weeks things can change. It would take now,

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Speaker 14: I think a pretty big October surprise, which is the

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Speaker 14: sort of the chan's always something that up ends the

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Speaker 14: election or changed the momentum to sort of to sort

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Speaker 14: of change the direction of travel. I would have.

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Speaker 2: Thought, Jordan, you managed to see the way that David

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Speaker 2: Seymour has rewritten those treaty principles.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, is it going to diffuse the critics. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: there's two ways to look at it. The first is

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Speaker 14: that it more accurately reflects the treaty, and that is that,

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Speaker 14: you know, our Article two of the treaty around E

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Speaker 14: we were guaranteed to Artaker. On the other hand, I

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Speaker 14: thought the whole point of the Treaty Principle's bill was

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Speaker 14: to down the debates that actually Article two simply guarantee

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Speaker 14: to EWE what it was the default in English law

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Speaker 14: that you know, self determination writes your property, et cetera,

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Speaker 14: et cetera. So it depends on the one hand, the

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Speaker 14: critics of the bill should actually be you know, jumping

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Speaker 14: to joy. It more accurately reflects what the treaty was about.

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Speaker 14: On the other hand, is it a capitulation from Act

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Speaker 14: and that even if it now passed, would it continue

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Speaker 14: to give the judiciary a license for special treatment? They've

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Speaker 14: sort of lost the principal stance. Yeah. So the point

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Speaker 14: is it depends on the way you look at it.

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Speaker 14: I think reasonable minds, even those that support the bills,

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Speaker 14: would differ on whether it's a good move or not.

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Speaker 14: I do think, though, is if he hasn't received anything

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Speaker 14: from the National Party or the governing parties in terms

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Speaker 14: of actually getting the bill over the line, it does

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Speaker 14: appear at first glance a capitulation for nothing.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what do you reckon, Jack, Yeah, that's a very

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Speaker 6: interesting take. I reckon, I reckon they're almost irrelevant, and

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Speaker 6: that I don't think this discussion, as much as David

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Speaker 6: Seymour might want it to be held in good faith

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Speaker 6: around the principles as he's defined and released them, I

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Speaker 6: don't think it's going to matter. I don't think the

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Speaker 6: debate is going to be about this. I think it's

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Speaker 6: going to go to non academic binaries are you racist?

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Speaker 6: Are you not racist? Pretty extreme language that will serve

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Speaker 6: the extreme ends on both sides of this debate. So

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Speaker 6: I reckon. You know, people who are vehemently opposed to

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Speaker 6: exposition and people who vehemently support it are going to

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Speaker 6: be really exercised throughout the entire Select Committee process.

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Speaker 11: I think ACT and.

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Speaker 6: David Sema are going to draw out this process as

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Speaker 6: much as they possibly can. It's going to be really

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Speaker 6: irritating for national maybe even a little bit from New

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Speaker 6: Zealand first as well. But I think it's almost to

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Speaker 6: Jordan's point, almost it almost doesn't matter how the principles

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Speaker 6: have been defined as per seam War's language, because I

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Speaker 6: really don't see the debate actually being about those words

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Speaker 6: and what is in there.

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Speaker 2: I think both of you bang on, guys, Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, Jack Tam and Jordan Williams. Coming up seven

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Speaker 2: away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand one giant lead for business news.

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Speaker 2: Talks be okay, hither I have a business. The new

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Speaker 2: Plymouth in this mirror is absolutely gas lighting us. He

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Speaker 2: was sorry, an avid supporter of the labor government, including

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Speaker 2: utilizing the Green Fund to start cycle lanes everywhere, struggling

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01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: to retain his seat next time around, and he knows this.

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Speaker 2: That's from Jonathan Neil. I would agree Neil has been

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01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: a little bit more like I would consider him to

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Speaker 2: be more in the Jacinda and Meghan Woods camp than

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: I would necessarily in the Chris lux and David Seymour camp,

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Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. But I think that

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Speaker 2: was just generally like good old regional mayor sucking up

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Speaker 2: to the central government. Verbut of the dollars, which is

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Speaker 2: what happens all the time, Like everybody was sucking up

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Speaker 2: to the government, the labor government when they're in there,

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Speaker 2: so you can get some of the dollars and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're hearing now is the god honest

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Speaker 2: truth coming out of his mouth. Now get a load

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Speaker 2: of this. You know how, I tell you all the

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Speaker 2: time that Wellington City Council is the dumbest group of

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Speaker 2: people ever. I present to you the best evidence thus far.

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Speaker 2: We returned to the scene of the crime, the Island

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Speaker 2: Bay cycle Now, the Island Based cycle way is a

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Speaker 2: complete shambles for various reasons, but it's really supposed to

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Speaker 2: make the cyclist safer and it really isn't either getting

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01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: hit all the time there. So what they've done now

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Speaker 2: is they've put a whole bunch of planter boxes either

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Speaker 2: side of the Island Base cycle Way on a twenty

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Speaker 2: five meter stretch and I think there are about seventeen

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Speaker 2: of these planter boxes and I think the point of

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Speaker 2: them is to try to separate the cars from the cycle.

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Speaker 2: You can't run the cyclist over if there's a planter

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Speaker 2: box between you and the cyclist, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: So they put these planter boxes there. Total cost sixty

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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars, which means that every one of these

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Speaker 2: planter boxes is four thousand dollars. Now, let me describe

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Speaker 2: the planter box to you. This thing would be around

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Speaker 2: about I reckon eighty centimeters by eighty centimeters by eighty centimeters.

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Speaker 2: That is not a big planter box. I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about a gigantic planter box. I'm talking about a general

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: like large pot. Do you know what I mean? Type thing?

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Speaker 2: How in God's name is that worth four thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Four thousand dollars? You could go down to Bunning's and

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Speaker 2: get yourself a concrete pot for probably like one hundred

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Speaker 2: or two hundred dollars. How do you go from that

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Speaker 2: to four thousand dollars? How did that sound like a

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Speaker 2: good idea to you, Wellington City Council. Meanwhile, you can

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Speaker 2: get hit sticks which do exactly there's a flexible wall

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Speaker 2: eyed thingies do exactly the same thing. You could get

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Speaker 2: twenty of them for less than two thousand dollars, less

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Speaker 2: than half the price of one of these planter boxes.

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Speaker 2: I give up, I give up new stick zimb m.

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Speaker 1: If we have business inside the business hour, we'd hinder

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Speaker 1: duplic Elan and my hr on NEWSTALGSB.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour Helmet motlch

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Speaker 2: of Natutos and whether he likes the new treaty principles

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Speaker 2: as they're now written. Milford Asset Management on the impact

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Speaker 2: of the aging population on investent does and also Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray will be with us out of the UK. At

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Speaker 2: seven past six now, Contact Energy has reached an agreement

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Speaker 2: to take over Manawhere Energy in a near two point

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Speaker 2: three billion dollar merger. Contacts Chief executive Mike fuj said

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Speaker 2: the merger would make Contact more resilient and diversify its

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Speaker 2: generating portfolio. The deal is still subject to approval by

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Speaker 2: the Commerce Commission, the High Court and shareholders, but the

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Speaker 2: companies would like the deal done by early next year,

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Speaker 2: and Contact Energy CEO Mike futures with us now.

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Speaker 19: Mike, Hi, how are you going very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: You'll get permission for this given what is going on

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Speaker 2: with the criticism, Jen Taylor's getting Yes.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, Look, we're very confident that we will. The Commerce

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Speaker 19: Commission obviously have to do their due diligence and perform

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Speaker 19: the regulatory duty. But we wouldn't be in have done

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Speaker 19: today's announcement if we didn't believe we had a very

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Speaker 19: good case. Remember, this isn't about today's headlines. This is

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Speaker 19: about a sixty year investment. And so that's what the

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Speaker 19: perspective people have to hold there, right.

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Speaker 2: Isn't mana, we're a generator from you go.

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Speaker 19: As a generator, Yeah, as a generator, and we're a

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Speaker 19: generator and retailer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you would be strengthening your position as

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Speaker 2: a gen tailor, which is the very thing that is

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Speaker 2: copying the criticism.

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Speaker 19: No, Look, we can more than adequately supply our retail

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Speaker 19: position as it stands today. What this enables us to

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Speaker 19: do is to firm up our wholesale portfolio and provide

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Speaker 19: more products to commercial industrial New Zealand and to tear

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Speaker 19: to retailers that we can more than adequately already supply

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Speaker 19: our retail Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder to mean, because surely the situation they

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Speaker 2: would look at is that they would They would ask

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Speaker 2: the question, is it better off with Contact owning this

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Speaker 2: business or this business supplying wholesale to Contact? And surely

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Speaker 2: if that's if that's the question they have to ask,

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Speaker 2: they'll probably prefer the latter, Wouldn't that?

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Speaker 19: No, not necessarily, because remember the hydro that we're buying

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Speaker 19: from Manua is winter weighted and our hydro is summer

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 19: weighted spring summer, and the combination actually in and of

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Speaker 19: itself free generation to be put into market because we're

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Speaker 19: not as individuals trying to hedge our position. We've got

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Speaker 19: a combined portfolio which we can manage. So overall, our

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 19: assessment is it's better for the market. It frees up generation,

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Speaker 19: and as I said earlier today, it underpins more renewable

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Speaker 19: intermittent renewable generation, because that's the big dilemma we have

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Speaker 19: to solve, what do we do about these intimatetent renewables.

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, did you see the methin x news.

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Speaker 19: Yes, yes, that they are considering, and that that's a

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Speaker 19: function of the gas market. Methin X does underpin the

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Speaker 19: gas market. The upstream gas market has had some real

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Speaker 19: issues over the last year or so in terms of

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Speaker 19: dry wells being drilled, and so it's probably a natural outcome.

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Speaker 19: And what we really need there is we need some

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Speaker 19: drilling success from the upstream players and that should bring

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Speaker 19: that back under control.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading this the very last thing that they said.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading as unless there is more gas, we're shutting

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Speaker 2: the whole thing down. Are you reading it like that?

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Speaker 19: That is look that the logical outcome. But the critical

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Speaker 19: thing is is that we still have gas reserves in

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Speaker 19: this country and we need to go after and drill

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Speaker 19: for them, and that will stabilize the situation.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe, Mike, that there's more gas out there?

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Speaker 19: There's always more gas.

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Speaker 2: Did you see what Richard Tweety said yesterday?

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Speaker 19: Yes, Richard did say we do need to He did

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 19: say Method X should close and LNG import and alan

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 19: G import would be a good insurance policy. And we

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,440
Speaker 19: are looking at that. But I think obviously with Taranaki's

1442
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 19: still got a bit to give. All in gas drilling

1443
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 19: is always sometimes you had a good run, sometimes you

1444
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 19: had a bad run.

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Speaker 2: Mike, he actually said we're running out of gas as

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: a country. Do you think he's wrong? I want you

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: to tell me he's wrong.

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Speaker 19: I wouldn't put it that way. Gas is the matter

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Speaker 19: of the technology you bring to bear, the investment you make,

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 19: and how you think about the reservoirs. It's a complex

1451
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 19: technical subject. No, one never really runs out of gas.

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 19: It just becomes economic at some point to produce it.

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Speaker 2: Are you paying meth and X as much for the

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Speaker 2: gas as the government is?

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Speaker 19: That's commercially confidential. We did a very we did a

1456
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Speaker 19: good We did a good commercial deal with meth and

1457
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 19: X which stabilized the electricity market very rapidly, and prices

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01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 19: have come back down to the lowest in the western world.

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Speaker 19: That's quite not quite the dramatic headline as it was

1460
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Speaker 19: a few weeks ago, But the world has turned in

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Speaker 19: the electricity market.

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Speaker 2: Do you because it's fallen off off the cliffs so badly,

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Speaker 2: Did you think, oh, geez, we didn't have to pay

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Speaker 2: that much for the gas after all.

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Speaker 19: No, No, that's again, that's like the man of a deal.

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Speaker 19: That's just good prudent risk mitigation. And we don't think

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 19: about to today and tomorrow's spot. As I said, our

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01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 19: time horizon is always over the medium long term, and

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 19: we're looking for common sense solutions and that was the

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 19: right thing to do at that particular time. So absolutely

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Speaker 19: no regrets whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Mike, It's good to talk to you always as I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time that Mike Fuse Contact Energy CEO.

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Speaker 2: So this is what methin X has said, right. The

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Speaker 2: very last thing in their statement was answering a question

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Speaker 2: as to whether Methinx is closing its New Zealand business altogether.

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01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: They said no. While our intention is to continue to

1478
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: operate our last remaining Mutunui plant, the natural gas supply

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: outlook for the country is challenged and requires significant and

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: immediate action by the government to incentivize upstream developers to

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Speaker 2: arrest declining supplies and return New Zealand energy and natural

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01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: gas markets to their potential. Without such action, we are

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: compromising the country's economic prosperity, energy security, and our ability

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01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: to continue to operate beyond the near term. As in

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: what they are saying is unless the government can get

1486
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: more people into this country investors in here, drilln for gas,

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: method X is gone. They're not going to be able

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: to make it work. And by the way, this is

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: what this is what the government's paying methods. Remember how

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 2: methodics shut when they shut down the business just temporarily

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: to the end of the month next month and then

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Speaker 2: sold the gas back to Contact and I think it

1493
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Speaker 2: was Genesis or something. The government was also buying some

1494
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: of the gases I was just talking to Mike about

1495
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: for schools and hospitals and stuff. Methdex has charged them

1496
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,879
Speaker 2: through the nose for it they are selling. This is methads.

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Speaker 2: They are selling the gas at the price four times

1498
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: the price they paid for it. So the government is

1499
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: paying up to thirty thirty dollars a gigduel to buy

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Speaker 2: back the gas. Methadex only paid six bucks a gigduel,

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Speaker 2: so it's somewhere between twenty four and thirty. It's four

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 2: to five times what methodics pay for it. Not official,

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 2: according to industry sources, it will be accurate fourteen plus six.

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalk said.

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Speaker 2: Just reminder, we're covering off the Treaty Principles bill, the

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Speaker 2: Treaty Principles as they've been rewritten with helmet Motlaguna, Nutty tour.

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Speaker 2: After half past six, Heather read the planter boxes at

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Speaker 2: the island based cycle where you're not taking into account

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Speaker 2: the cost of the traffic management and one thousand road

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Speaker 2: cones when somebody went there to place the planter boxes.

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Speaker 2: Actually probably right, it's probably planter boxes ten dollars each,

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Speaker 2: traffic management sixty seven thousand dollars, do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? So, yeah, maybe I've been unfair. Maybe actually

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Speaker 2: they just blew it all on nothing. Seventeen past six.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got the first example of David Seymour's Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Regulation pulling another minister into line. By now pay later,

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Speaker 2: providers will be allowed to charge whatever fees they want

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Speaker 2: after Cabinet decided to exempt them from the credit contracts

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Speaker 2: and consumer finance. Basically, Cabinet decided to side with David

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Speaker 2: Seymour and not Andrew Bailey. Janatub Trainey is The Herald's

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Speaker 2: Wellington Business editor.

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Speaker 6: Hey you name hey, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did David Seymour get them to side with him?

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Speaker 20: Well, that's a good question, and I think I think

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Speaker 20: it is pretty significant because you know, David Seymour, Minister

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Speaker 20: for Regulation, his advice that he gets from the new

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Speaker 20: Ministry for Regulation gazumps the advice of MB and the

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Speaker 20: commerson Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bailey, the experts in consumer

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Speaker 20: affairs issues like around buy now, pay later, So you know,

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Speaker 20: the effects of this could be quite big. Buy now,

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Speaker 20: pay later. The way it works is you go and shop,

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Speaker 20: you buy something, and then you repay the money in installments,

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Speaker 20: so you don't pay any interests. But if you miss

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Speaker 20: a payment, you pay a big fee. So what I

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Speaker 20: think the government recognizes is that that model is quite

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Speaker 20: different to traditional debt, so like quite different to a

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Speaker 20: credit card or something like that where you're paying interest.

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Speaker 20: So the argument is we'll buy now, pay later, shouldn't

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Speaker 20: be put under the exact same rules as the banks

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Speaker 20: and the credit cards they issue, for example. Everyone agrees

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Speaker 20: on that, but Andrew Bailey thought, hey, we still need

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Speaker 20: to put some rules around the fees that these buy now,

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Speaker 20: pay later providers charge, because you know, we don't want

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Speaker 20: to sort of just just let them, let them have

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Speaker 20: complete free reign. And David Seymour, you know i'd act

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Speaker 20: leader ideologically doesn't love a lot of regulation. He said, no,

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Speaker 20: let's just let the market sort it out. You know,

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Speaker 20: these providers can't hike fees too much because if they do,

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Speaker 20: they'll lose their customers. So let's just leave them to it,

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Speaker 20: and David Seymour won.

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Speaker 2: Now, Janey, it's the second time in a matter of

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Speaker 2: literally days that David Seymour has overridden Andrew Bailey on something,

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Speaker 2: because the other one was also the supermarket regulation. Do

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Speaker 2: we know whether David is doing this out of actual

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Speaker 2: ideological purity or is he using Is this some sort

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Speaker 2: of political horse trading going on here?

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Speaker 20: Well, that's a good question, and it might be a

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Speaker 20: bit of both. Really, you know, I think this is

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Speaker 20: always the challenge with political parties and a coalition. They

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Speaker 20: need to keep their voters happy and differentiate themselves from

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Speaker 20: the major party, in this case, National that they're in

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Speaker 20: a coalition with. So I think it may well be both.

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Speaker 20: I have no doubt that ideologically David Seymour prefers to

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Speaker 20: take hands off approach. You know, he believes that you

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Speaker 20: intervene too much and you just taught the market and actually,

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Speaker 20: you know, yeah, just just just let let competition do

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Speaker 20: its thing. But at the same time, you know, he's

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Speaker 20: a good politician, and it really almost seems like he enjoys,

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Speaker 20: you know, ribbing his coalition partners a little bit. It

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Speaker 20: was interesting because Christopher Luxen was asked about this and

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Speaker 20: post cabinet press conference earlier this week, because David Seymour

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Speaker 20: came out and said, you know, leave leave the supermarkets alone.

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Speaker 20: They don't need to be regulated more, even though Andrew

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Speaker 20: Bailey said, look what, we're open to regulating the supermarkets

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Speaker 20: more heavily. And Christopher Luxon just shot down a question.

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Speaker 20: He was pretty snappy when asked about it, and he

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Speaker 20: said what did he say? Said something to the effect

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Speaker 20: of right, Andrew Bailey is the Commison Consumer Affairs Minister,

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Speaker 20: full stop. Let me be really clear.

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Speaker 21: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 20: Think it's you know, I think this is kind of

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Speaker 20: an amusing situation, but it's the way the system's set up,

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Speaker 20: how AMP works. It makes for a bit of entertainment

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Speaker 20: for us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't mind a bit of friction in there

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Speaker 2: because usually grind out the stupid ideas like that. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much much, really appreciated. That's Janeta Trony,

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Speaker 2: who's the Wellington Business editor. Hither the fact that Harris's team,

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Speaker 2: this is Karmala. Harris's team has gone for an immediate

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Speaker 2: rematch shows they have damage to repair. It's actually well,

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Speaker 2: the fact that there's a rematch is true. The Harris

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Speaker 2: campaign wants a second presidential debate with Trump. Now they've

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Speaker 2: asked for it. Trump basically needs to agree to it.

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Speaker 2: You could read it one of two ways. You could

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Speaker 2: either read it as she feels like she has damage

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Speaker 2: to repair, or you could read it as she knows

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Speaker 2: that she did reasonably well and she can do better,

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Speaker 2: and so she wants another crack at it. One of

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Speaker 2: the twenty two past six.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro micro or US playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on The Business Hour with Heather duple c Allen and

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Speaker 1: my Hr the HR Solutions for Busy SMEs New Stalks AB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four and Debora l Ambias of Milford Asset Management

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Speaker 2: A deebra Hi, how are you very well? Thank you. Listen.

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Speaker 2: One thing that we're talking a lot about in the

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Speaker 2: community at the moment is aging populations. Do you get

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Speaker 2: the impression investors in thinking about this as well?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So, the rise of aging populations around the world

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Speaker 22: is one of the most significant demographic shifts in modern history.

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Speaker 22: So here in New Zealand, the proportion of people aged

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Speaker 22: over sixty five is expeded to almost double by twenty fifty,

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Speaker 22: and globally we see similar trends, So the number of

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Speaker 22: people aged over sixty is expeded to double and the

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Speaker 22: number of people aged over eighty is expeded to triple

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Speaker 22: by twenty fifty, and investors are increasingly focused on the

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Speaker 22: implications of this. Given that on average, twenty five percent

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Speaker 22: of total healthcare spend occurred in the last ten years

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Speaker 22: of life of an individual and around ten percent in

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Speaker 22: the final year of life, aging populations simultaneously placed immense

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Speaker 22: pressure on healthcare systems and create substantial opportunities for companies

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Speaker 22: that provide critical services due to increasing demands for medicine,

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Speaker 22: hospital care, and death care services.

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Speaker 2: Are there many businesses, many companies who are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about how this aging population trend will impact them.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, and I'll maybe give you three three examples. So

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Speaker 22: HCA operates over one hundred and eighty hospitals in the US,

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Speaker 22: and it's expecting total spending hospitals to accelerate to around

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Speaker 22: six percent per year over the next decade. So, in

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Speaker 22: other words, that means that it will have almost doubled

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Speaker 22: its revenue in ten years time. Another example is AstraZeneca,

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Speaker 22: which is a global pharmaceutical company and it expects global

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Speaker 22: demands for pharmaceuticals to accelerate from around four percent growth

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Speaker 22: per year to around six percent. And a final interesting

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Speaker 22: example is Service Court, which is a death care provider

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Speaker 22: in the US and they operate in the funeral, cremation

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Speaker 22: and cemetery space. And so when I met with the

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Speaker 22: company earlier in the year in the US, they were

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Speaker 22: talking about expecting an increase in volumes for a decade

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Speaker 22: and a half and that's driven by the first baby

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Speaker 22: boomers reaching eighty years old starting from twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 22: So this is a bit of a morbid topic. But

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Speaker 22: as they say, nothing is certain in this life apart

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Speaker 22: from death and taxes.

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Speaker 2: That's through I suppose when it comes to how they're

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Speaker 2: performing on the market. How are these companies who are

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Speaker 2: in healthcare and death care fearing when you compare them

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Speaker 2: to let's say the high growth sector is like AI.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, so when companies like Nvidia they have absolutely soar

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Speaker 22: due to the AI boom, the more steady returns from

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Speaker 22: healthcare and death care sectors are still actually highly respectable,

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Speaker 22: especially in this more defensive part of the market. So

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Speaker 22: Astrosenic and Service Corps shares have delivered a respectable low

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Speaker 22: double digit percentage return on average over the past five years,

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Speaker 22: and HHA has been even more impressive, delivering an average

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Speaker 22: twenty five percent return per year over the past five years.

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Speaker 2: And then what about the workers in healthcare? How are

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Speaker 2: the how's the agent population going to affect them?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So, in addition to increasing demand for healthcare, aging

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Speaker 22: populations of course reduced the pool of working age people.

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Speaker 22: This means we have less work to do the work

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Speaker 22: that we're currently doing, and we're going to have more

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Speaker 22: of that work. So companies are looking for solutions and

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Speaker 22: things like automation and robotics, and this is leading to

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Speaker 22: advances and things like automated pharmacies and these work via

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Speaker 22: robots that can scan a QR code for a prescription,

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Speaker 22: get the medicines that have been prescribed, to spense them,

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Speaker 22: and then whila, you can pick up your prescription, no

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Speaker 22: humans required. And a company called Becton Dickinson is the

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Speaker 22: global leader here. And then we're also seeing very rapid

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Speaker 22: advancers and things like laboratory automation, which is greatly increasing

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Speaker 22: the efficiency of the way that lads run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is this happening in other sectors as well.

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Speaker 22: Yes, So as the pool of working age people shrinks,

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Speaker 22: sectors ranging all the way from manufacturing through to logistics

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Speaker 22: are increasingly turning to automation to fill the gap and

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Speaker 22: maintain productivity. So, for example, robotic density and manufacturing has

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Speaker 22: doubled over the past six years and has increased set

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Speaker 22: to increase further, and so robots greatly increase the productivity

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Speaker 22: of factories. They keep workers and safer by literally taking

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Speaker 22: the load of heavy lifting, and they also reduced the

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Speaker 22: number of people required in the factory.

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Speaker 14: So these are just a.

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Speaker 22: Few examples of ways that companies are innovating to help

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Speaker 22: with solutions that developed nations will high as they face

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Speaker 22: shrinking workforces and aging populations.

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Speaker 2: Deborah, listen, that's fascinating, Thank you so much. I really

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Speaker 2: long way to go, he said. He told one world

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Speaker 2: wisher it's good news, but there is still a long

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Speaker 2: way to go, which is, you know, just trying to

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Speaker 2: tell us not an out of the woods just yet.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is going to be with us before the

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Speaker 2: will be able to see it twenty three away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather dupi Cel.

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Speaker 2: Now the three principles to be included in the controversial

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01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: treaty principles will have been released today. They include principles

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01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 2: of civil Government that's number one, Number two the rights

1722
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 2: of Hapou and Ewe Maori, and number three the right

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01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: to equality. Cabinet documents released today also reveal warnings from

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01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: officials that the policy is based on a novel reading

1725
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: of the treaty and advice that government should stick with

1726
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Speaker 2: the status quo. Helmut Motlik is the chief executive of

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: Terrunanga or tour Rara and is with us. Now, hey, helmet,

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: now that you've seen them, what do you think, have

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01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: you got any problems with them?

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Speaker 4: It's second first, same as the first fast header. The

1731
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 4: the idea that the idea that that the rights that

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Speaker 4: accrue to New Zealanders and that the rights that a

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01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 4: crew to Parliament as sovereign just came out of fresh air,

1734
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 4: is of course what the first one is trying to say,

1735
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 4: which of course is factorily incorrect. That came from the British,

1736
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 4: and the britsh got it from signing a treaty with

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01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 4: the Hapuu of New Zealand. That seems to be totally

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 4: missing in David's calculation in respect of the rights that

1739
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 4: supposedly accrue to ewe and were those only going to

1740
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 4: be the rights that the government decides to give Ie

1741
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 4: will just ignore all of the constitutional and historical background.

1742
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 4: Then we'll make it up as we go. So no, no,

1743
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 4: it's not a surprise entirely. But yeah, second best sements?

1744
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: Is that fair? I mean because the rights that it's

1745
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: talking about here are rights that are specified. These are

1746
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 2: the rights for hapou and e maori, specified in legislation,

1747
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: specified in treaty settlements, are specified in other agreements with

1748
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: the crown. Where else are the rights going to come from?

1749
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 4: Well, they come from the original documentation, the original treaty

1750
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 4: that was signed up to. That's where they come from.

1751
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1752
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: And one of the interesting.

1753
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen because that is still that

1754
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: is what your treaty settlements, that that's covered off by

1755
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: treaty settlements. They reflect what's in the treaty.

1756
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 4: No, No, the only thing that are spoken to in

1757
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 4: the treaty settlements that primarily relate to property and also

1758
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 4: then relate at the margin to opportunities to be consulted

1759
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 4: and to engage in process. The tility your white tongue,

1760
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: he says, a heck of a lot more than that

1761
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 4: here that is and that that well, if you want,

1762
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 4: if you want to read it, and.

1763
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: What are the rights are about that's in there?

1764
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 4: Well, well, well, let's go back one step and let

1765
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 4: me frame it this way. What what what David is

1766
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 4: in those you're supporting his views trying to sell is

1767
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 4: the idea that one hundred thousand warlike, fiercely independent tribes

1768
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: in their in their leadership agreed when presented when met

1769
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 4: with a console representing two thousand British people who were

1770
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 4: living in the country at the time. David's proposition is

1771
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 4: that those one hundred thousand fiercely independent warlike people surrendered

1772
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 4: all of their rights to this, to to to Busby

1773
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 4: and Tobson, and they did that willingly.

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Speaker 2: What are the rights that are not represented in these principles?

1775
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 4: Not to speaks to the ability to continue to live

1776
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 4: your life according to your customs, to have responsibility for

1777
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 4: your people, your place, and to live according to your

1778
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 4: own to Coomer, that's what was agreed and that's the

1779
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 4: only thing that makes sense.

1780
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: Or in agreements with the crown.

1781
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was the journey we were on. The

1782
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 4: journey we were on was truth and reconciliation of figuring

1783
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 4: out what does what does those rights in eighteen forty

1784
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 4: translate to in the current setting, And that was the

1785
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 4: trajectory we were on. Now, what David doesn't doesn't like

1786
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 4: where that that conversation was going, and so he's trying

1787
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 4: to actually enter into a revision this history writing exercise,

1788
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 4: ignoring all of the history, all of the legal advice,

1789
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 4: all of the precedent, and wanting to just rewrite the

1790
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 4: whole thing.

1791
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Okay, is it possible that what David Seymour was I'm

1792
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: not going to speak for him. I'm be having a

1793
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 2: punt at this, but I don't like the way the

1794
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: courts are going on any numberumber of issues, right, So

1795
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 2: maybe the right place for these things to be defined

1796
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: is not by the courts as it has been up

1797
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 2: to now, but actually by the representatives that we elect.

1798
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: What's the problem with that, Well, there's two main observations

1799
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 4: I'd make about that. The whole idea of a constitutional

1800
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 4: of constitutional law is that it supersedes the ability of

1801
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 4: current government to faff around according to you know, the

1802
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 4: women will of the current settings with some fundamental things, right,

1803
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 4: so you put in place of ideas that supersede the

1804
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 4: ability of governments to just for example, I'll give you

1805
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 4: an example, right, just because just because everybody decided today

1806
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: that we don't like what was agreed previously, we're going

1807
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 4: to change in fact, the provisions that have been set

1808
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 4: aside for the aging population, and so they've they've all

1809
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 4: made plans for being able to retire, have their superannuation,

1810
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 4: have their healthcare provided for. But because we don't like

1811
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 4: that anymore, we're going to change the law. Now, is

1812
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 4: that right? Probably not, but it's possible, it's possible under

1813
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 4: the the the ability from just pure democratic principle to

1814
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 4: play out. Now that's a that's a contemporary example where

1815
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 4: the idea of just you know, simple democratic principle doesn't

1816
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 4: make it right. And I just make the parallel that

1817
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 4: the agreement that was entered into that enabled the British

1818
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 4: to stay here, it is set is set down, it's

1819
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 4: it's readable and all of the historical interpretation and research

1820
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 4: and context that's all clear, and rewriting it is just

1821
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 4: an exercise. And that's what he's trying to do. No,

1822
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 4: that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to actually

1823
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 4: say it doesn't mean what it says. We're going to

1824
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:09,759
Speaker 4: have a debate.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole point to principles helmet. Sorry, that's the

1826
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: whole point of pripriples. No, all of the principles do this, right,

1827
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 2: all of the principles look at the articles in the

1828
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: treaty and say this, we have to find a way

1829
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: to apply this to twenty twenty four New Zealand and

1830
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 2: then extract from it. That's all that this is doing.

1831
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: He's not rewriting anything. He's just writing three principles to

1832
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: override all the other principles.

1833
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 4: Well, he's wanting to do that. But here's there's two

1834
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 4: observations I'd make in that connection. First Off, he still

1835
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 4: is not acknowledging, not in any of his literature nor

1836
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 4: anything he's said, that the treaty actually means what it says.

1837
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 4: His interpretation of those words are for LASiS. So that's

1838
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 4: first point. Second point is, and I've spoken to them

1839
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 4: directly about this, is when it comes to the interpretation

1840
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 4: of law, whether it's constitutional law or any others who's

1841
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 4: job visit to do that. That's that is literally the

1842
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 4: job of the judiciary. That's what judges and judiciary do, Okay, right,

1843
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 4: and so what and so I'm asked, David, so why

1844
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 4: have you moved away from that tried and true international really.

1845
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: For you because the judges and lunatics in this country

1846
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: at the moment aren't they the helmet Listen, thank you,

1847
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 2: haven't got any more time, but really appreciate it as always.

1848
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: Love chatting to the Helmet Modeling Chief executive Gavin Gray

1849
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 2: next quarter too.

1850
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1851
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with hither duper clan and my HR

1852
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy smy on news talks it'd be.

1853
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 2: K corresponding Gavin Grays with us evening to you, Gavin. So,

1854
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: we were not expecting the UK economy to flatline. We

1855
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 2: were expecting tiny bit of growth. What happened?

1856
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 23: Yeah, big disappointment. Just announced within the last hour that

1857
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 23: the UK economy just basically flatlined for the second month

1858
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 23: in a row. And let's have thought there'd be a

1859
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 23: slight growth to GDP of zero point two percent. So

1860
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 23: what went wrong? Well, we're being told there is longer

1861
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 23: term strength in the services sector, so there should be

1862
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 23: a growth over the last three months as a whole

1863
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 23: and into the future. But it's other things that have

1864
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 23: brought the figures down, so really honing down more precisely

1865
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 23: on what they reckon. The growth was led by computer

1866
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 23: programmers and the health sector, which recovered from strike action

1867
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 23: back in June, but there were falls in advertising companies,

1868
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 23: architects and engineers, with manufacturing crucially falling overall, with a

1869
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 23: particularly poor month for car and machinery firms. Construction industry

1870
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 23: also suffered badly. So yeah, the government going to look

1871
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 23: at this. I'm going to think, well, you know, we're

1872
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 23: still looking back at the previous administration of the previous government.

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Speaker 23: And indeed the UK did have the highest growth rate

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Speaker 23: for the first six months twenty twenty four among the

1875
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,799
Speaker 23: group of G seven nations. But I think a second

1876
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 23: line of flatlining will be of some concern to those

1877
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 23: in government.

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01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: Kevin, Listen, this Apple tech situation in Ireland is fascinating.

1879
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 2: Am I reading this right? That Ireland actually doesn't want

1880
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 2: the text money.

1881
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 23: Yes, so this is quite a complex story and it

1882
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 23: goes back over some eight or more years, but Originally,

1883
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 23: when the company Apple headquartered its business for Europe, Middle

1884
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 23: East and that sort of region, they decided to go

1885
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 23: to Ireland for it. Why well, because Ireland was offering

1886
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 23: massive tax discounts, and indeed it was said that that

1887
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 23: had been a bigger incentive to lure big companies away

1888
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 23: from countries like the UK and the rest of the EU.

1889
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Speaker 23: And boy it works. Suddenly Dublin was springing up with

1890
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Speaker 23: a whole load of huge multinational companies headquartering their region

1891
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 23: all offices in Dublin. But the Irish government gave these

1892
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 23: tax advantages to Apple. The European Top Court said it

1893
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 23: was illegal. The Irish government said, well, we don't want

1894
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 23: the tax back and we don't think it's illegal. But

1895
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 23: after all the toing and throwing, Apple indeed have been

1896
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 23: ordered to pay Ireland roughly twenty four billion New Zealand

1897
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 23: dollars in unpaid taxes. The Irish government has said it will.

1898
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:27,839
Speaker 2: Respect the ruling.

1899
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 23: The ruling incident, it was because effectively no other company

1900
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 23: was being given the tax advantages that Apple were being given,

1901
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 23: so they said that was unfair. As I said, though

1902
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 23: for the period of time it's taken to discuss this

1903
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 23: with the original decision decision covering the period nineteen ninety

1904
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 23: one to twenty fourteen, then an appeal on it. As

1905
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 23: you can imagine, plenty of others have tried to take

1906
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 23: advantage of that particular scheme in Ireland.

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01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you, Gevin as always. Thank

1908
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 2: you so much, Gevin Gray are UK correspondent.

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Speaker 13: Right, Well, I'm.

1910
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Speaker 2: Getting a lot of texts along the same lines. Wow,

1911
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 2: Hither that's clear evidence of why things actually need to

1912
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: be clarified. This is obviously rehelmet bodlock Hither. If that's

1913
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 2: the level of the argument against the Treaty Principles, build

1914
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 2: and I'm completely lost and it carries on. Now what

1915
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 2: is going on here is that there's shifting. It's a

1916
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 2: shifting debate. It's constantly shifting, right so, so, originally the

1917
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 2: problem with the Treaty Principles was Principal two didn't give

1918
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 2: enough rights to Hapu and Ewi MARII. Then David Semill

1919
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: fix that. Now the problem is shifted to something. Now

1920
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 2: that's not the thing you can argue against anymore. Now

1921
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: we're going to argue against the fact that Parliament's deciding

1922
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 2: instead of the judges, which is the most lunatic thing

1923
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: you've ever heard, because obviously the elected people should have

1924
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: the final say on literally everything. Right, the judges are

1925
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 2: just there to do their jobs to hand down the sentences,

1926
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 2: make some civil lawsy absolutely have to like on the

1927
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 2: edges and stuff like that, but for the most part,

1928
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 2: they are there to interpret the law, and the people

1929
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Speaker 2: elected to Parliament are there to make the law. With

1930
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Speaker 2: something as important as this obviously should be the elected people.

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Speaker 2: You're going to find that this is going to be

1932
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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen the whole way through because as Jack

1933
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 2: Tame said earlier in the show, and he was right, Ultimately,

1934
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Speaker 2: this is not an argument about the stuff that we

1935
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Speaker 2: are talking about at the level that we're talking about it.

1936
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Speaker 2: It's really a binary thing at the very base level.

1937
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Speaker 2: Are you a racist or are you not a racist?

1938
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Speaker 2: That's what it's going to come down to. If you

1939
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Speaker 2: support the Treaty Principals Bill, you're a racist. I'm obviously

1940
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Speaker 2: I don't think this. This is just what's going to

1941
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Speaker 2: get lumped at you. And if you do support it,

1942
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Speaker 2: if you don't support it, then you're obviously on the

1943
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Speaker 2: right crew. It's basically going to come down to that,

1944
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Speaker 2: and all this other stuff is just noise, just noise, noise, noise,

1945
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Speaker 2: So brace yourself from more of it.

1946
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics. It's all

1947
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Speaker 1: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

1948
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Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talks.

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Speaker 2: B five Away from seven. I have managed to avoid

1950
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Speaker 2: this conversation all day, not because I'm not interested in it,

1951
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Speaker 2: but because I don't really know what to say about it.

1952
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Speaker 2: This is the Dave Grohl situation. So Dave Grohl has

1953
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Speaker 2: feested up. Okay, I do know what to say about it.

1954
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Speaker 2: I do know what to say about it. Dave Grohl

1955
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Speaker 2: has fesced up to the fact that he who has

1956
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Speaker 2: been married for twenty plus years and has three daughters

1957
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Speaker 2: with his wife and is you know, the kind of

1958
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Speaker 2: like like happy family Dad Rocker. He has in fact

1959
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Speaker 2: managed to get someone up the duff, isn't he, And

1960
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Speaker 2: they've had a baby girl, and so he's gone public

1961
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Speaker 2: with it, and he's admitted that this has happened, and

1962
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Speaker 2: he is going to be part of his baby daughter's

1963
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Speaker 2: newborn daughter's life, which is the decent thing to do.

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Speaker 2: And he would like everybody to respect that. Now people

1965
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Speaker 2: are very disappointed in this because Dave grol. Everybody thought

1966
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Speaker 2: that Dave Grohl was one out of the box, like

1967
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Speaker 2: he was different to all the other rockers, to which

1968
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Speaker 2: I say, hello, he's a rocker, and he's one of

1969
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Speaker 2: the world's most famous rockers. And look at his panteene heir,

1970
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Speaker 2: what do you think that man doesn't care what people

1971
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Speaker 2: think about him? Of course he does. Also, what I

1972
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Speaker 2: would say, though, the predominant thing that I would say

1973
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Speaker 2: is people make mistakes. This is a big one. This

1974
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Speaker 2: is like an unforgive. If I was her, he'd be

1975
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Speaker 2: out the house forget about it no more. But people

1976
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Speaker 2: make mistakes. I don't judge him too harshly on how

1977
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Speaker 2: they make on the mistakes and make It's more how

1978
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Speaker 2: they handle it afterwards. And he's handled this very well,

1979
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Speaker 2: hasn't he. But he has missed a trick by not

1980
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Speaker 2: actually opening his Instagram post with the words to this

1981
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Speaker 2: song ants.

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Speaker 8: I've got another confession.

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Speaker 2: Hey, why didn't he do that? Guys, I've got another

1984
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Speaker 2: confession to make. I've got somebody up the duff ants.

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Speaker 12: Come on, Oh, poor old Dave Grohl.

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Speaker 21: I mean, not only has he done something unforgivable, been caught,

1987
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Speaker 21: had to fess up to it, but he's given us,

1988
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Speaker 21: the media hacks of the world, just so many puns,

1989
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Speaker 21: like you know, like like this one. I'm sure there's

1990
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Speaker 21: he's got such a long back catalog. I'm sure people

1991
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Speaker 21: like me will be quickly ferreting through all the song

1992
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Speaker 21: names and stuff to look for all.

1993
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Speaker 2: Were you shocked?

1994
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Speaker 21: You know what I was? You're right, because you're right.

1995
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Speaker 21: He's a rocker, and I mean, let's not forget he

1996
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Speaker 21: was the drummer in Nirvana. But despite that, he never

1997
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Speaker 21: really came across as a rock star. No, he was

1998
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Speaker 21: like a nice, thoughtful, normal guy. Yeah, like you, your

1999
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Speaker 21: dad's mate who you really get along with as well?

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Speaker 2: Normal guys have affairs ants, Yeah, there you go. I mean,

2001
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Speaker 2: we don't really know these people, do well an a

2002
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Speaker 2: fair though? Or was it a groupie? Now? I want

2003
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Speaker 2: to know more. I don't feel like we've I feel

2004
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Speaker 2: do you feel like he got ahead of a bad

2005
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Speaker 2: story that's about to come out?

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Speaker 21: I think he has made the best of the situation,

2007
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Speaker 21: best of you by their days.

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Speaker 17: I love that.

2009
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Speaker 2: Good from you. Okay, see it tomorrow By Now

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