1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:15,347 Speaker 2: Edb buying I'd look be ranging around now, takes on 4 00:00:15,347 --> 00:00:18,067 Speaker 2: the line, gets around them, buying a knocker one arm, 5 00:00:18,147 --> 00:00:21,547 Speaker 2: Pat Soar, Rika Yoani all left hand side. 6 00:00:21,987 --> 00:00:23,067 Speaker 3: And Kayle Clark. 7 00:00:23,467 --> 00:00:24,947 Speaker 2: We'll get that sickend. 8 00:00:24,667 --> 00:00:27,827 Speaker 4: After all and the seventh of the day for the 9 00:00:27,827 --> 00:00:31,547 Speaker 4: All Blacks fifty two twenty six, including a perfect eight 10 00:00:31,747 --> 00:00:35,307 Speaker 4: from eight from the kicking tea for Damien McKenzie, highest 11 00:00:35,307 --> 00:00:37,707 Speaker 4: All Black score of the year ten wins from thirteen 12 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:41,947 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland 13 00:00:42,067 --> 00:00:44,307 Speaker 4: is with us from Cardiff. Jason, thanks for taking the 14 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:47,267 Speaker 4: call as always. How do you evaluate the final All 15 00:00:47,307 --> 00:00:48,947 Speaker 4: Blacks performance of the year. 16 00:00:49,867 --> 00:00:52,827 Speaker 2: Oh ye, look, it was mostly important to us that 17 00:00:52,867 --> 00:00:55,587 Speaker 2: we put together a performance tonight. 18 00:00:55,667 --> 00:00:58,347 Speaker 3: So yeah, generally, you know, pretty happy. 19 00:00:58,347 --> 00:01:01,507 Speaker 2: I think we you know, we scored some good tries 20 00:01:01,547 --> 00:01:04,547 Speaker 2: and we played some good foot at times and you know, 21 00:01:04,587 --> 00:01:06,907 Speaker 2: really put a really tenacious Welsh him away in the 22 00:01:06,987 --> 00:01:10,067 Speaker 2: end after after they came pretty hard early. But you know, 23 00:01:10,107 --> 00:01:11,547 Speaker 2: I think we're a bit more accurate than we had 24 00:01:11,547 --> 00:01:15,547 Speaker 2: been at times this season, which meant we could hold 25 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:17,107 Speaker 2: on to the ball and be confident to hold the 26 00:01:17,147 --> 00:01:19,107 Speaker 2: ball and get to whats and score some tries. So 27 00:01:19,827 --> 00:01:22,547 Speaker 2: we're yeah, we just wanted to put a put a 28 00:01:22,587 --> 00:01:24,747 Speaker 2: performance together that we were happy with and what we'd 29 00:01:24,747 --> 00:01:26,987 Speaker 2: sort of worked at during the week. There's a lot 30 00:01:27,027 --> 00:01:28,587 Speaker 2: of things we trained pretty hard to get and we 31 00:01:28,627 --> 00:01:29,147 Speaker 2: got tonight. 32 00:01:29,707 --> 00:01:32,947 Speaker 4: Did you sense energy from players who perhaps have had 33 00:01:32,987 --> 00:01:35,267 Speaker 4: limited opportunities on the tour before tonight? 34 00:01:36,347 --> 00:01:39,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was all you know, you'd expect that, 35 00:01:39,467 --> 00:01:40,147 Speaker 3: wouldn't you know? 36 00:01:40,187 --> 00:01:42,227 Speaker 2: We had We had young guys bring the energy, but 37 00:01:42,267 --> 00:01:44,587 Speaker 2: we also had guys, you know, especially the midfield, you know, 38 00:01:44,627 --> 00:01:46,667 Speaker 2: the older guys who played ady odd tests who were 39 00:01:46,947 --> 00:01:50,187 Speaker 2: getting their opportunity and you know, good professionals who were 40 00:01:50,187 --> 00:01:53,147 Speaker 2: always going to bring that energy and performance. So it 41 00:01:53,267 --> 00:01:55,307 Speaker 2: was a good mix. You know, had the younger a 42 00:01:55,307 --> 00:01:58,547 Speaker 2: couple of younger boys getting opportunities. And but you know, 43 00:01:58,587 --> 00:02:00,387 Speaker 2: it's easy when you don't get a game of forty 44 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,427 Speaker 2: for three or four weeks to make some silly errors 45 00:02:02,427 --> 00:02:04,867 Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. And I thought in general 46 00:02:04,947 --> 00:02:07,467 Speaker 2: we were able to build some pressure, especially the back 47 00:02:07,547 --> 00:02:10,787 Speaker 2: end of going to that second half and put the 48 00:02:10,867 --> 00:02:11,587 Speaker 2: wash away so. 49 00:02:12,027 --> 00:02:13,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a good week for energy. 50 00:02:13,627 --> 00:02:16,547 Speaker 2: The boys have been good and these guys will always 51 00:02:16,547 --> 00:02:18,307 Speaker 2: always front up on the all black jersey when they 52 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:20,347 Speaker 2: get during the week, you know, when they get an opportunity. 53 00:02:20,947 --> 00:02:24,667 Speaker 4: Was the hurt of last week used as as fuel 54 00:02:24,787 --> 00:02:27,027 Speaker 4: in a conscious sense this week. 55 00:02:29,147 --> 00:02:32,307 Speaker 3: In a way? I don't know if you need to 56 00:02:32,347 --> 00:02:32,947 Speaker 3: really use it. 57 00:02:32,987 --> 00:02:34,947 Speaker 2: You know, we were, you know, we're boys are obviously 58 00:02:34,947 --> 00:02:39,707 Speaker 2: really disappointed with the last week, and I think just naturally, 59 00:02:39,747 --> 00:02:41,987 Speaker 2: you know, as coaches, you didn't have to use it, 60 00:02:42,027 --> 00:02:43,907 Speaker 2: you know, because naturally the boys are hurting, and so 61 00:02:44,187 --> 00:02:47,227 Speaker 2: they were. They were desperate to, you know, come Tuesday 62 00:02:47,307 --> 00:02:50,627 Speaker 2: morning last week to try really hard for the week 63 00:02:50,707 --> 00:02:54,347 Speaker 2: and get things right. And yeah, for the most part 64 00:02:54,387 --> 00:02:56,667 Speaker 2: we saw the saw how that turned out tonight. 65 00:02:57,147 --> 00:02:59,907 Speaker 4: You can say that just four penalties in the entire 66 00:03:00,027 --> 00:03:03,707 Speaker 4: game today. How much of a focus was discipline in 67 00:03:03,747 --> 00:03:04,707 Speaker 4: your prep for this one? 68 00:03:05,747 --> 00:03:09,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's always a big focus. 69 00:03:09,627 --> 00:03:12,227 Speaker 2: The funny thing about it is that maybe sometimes media 70 00:03:12,267 --> 00:03:15,467 Speaker 2: and that don't see is you know that if you 71 00:03:15,507 --> 00:03:18,307 Speaker 2: hold onto the ball and you get your tech going, well, 72 00:03:18,347 --> 00:03:21,467 Speaker 2: you get penalties. And I think it's a big part 73 00:03:21,507 --> 00:03:23,347 Speaker 2: of it that we held onto the ball pretty well 74 00:03:23,387 --> 00:03:26,427 Speaker 2: for most parts in the Welsh were we're having to 75 00:03:26,427 --> 00:03:29,067 Speaker 2: give away penalties, you know, to slow down the attack 76 00:03:29,107 --> 00:03:30,907 Speaker 2: and that happens both sides of the ball. 77 00:03:30,987 --> 00:03:33,187 Speaker 3: So you know, we won the year a bit more tonight. 78 00:03:33,227 --> 00:03:35,347 Speaker 2: You know, I thought Will Jordan was outstanding in the air, 79 00:03:36,707 --> 00:03:39,547 Speaker 2: which meant we had the ball a bit more and 80 00:03:39,627 --> 00:03:42,747 Speaker 2: that's what That's what discipline looks like. Sometimes that gives 81 00:03:42,787 --> 00:03:45,747 Speaker 2: the penalties around possessions. So yeah, we're really happy with that. 82 00:03:46,387 --> 00:03:49,347 Speaker 2: We were smart times. Allison's got us going pretty good 83 00:03:49,347 --> 00:03:52,547 Speaker 2: in our DA around our discipline and it's been on 84 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:56,307 Speaker 2: side and it sort of helps helps METHRII doesn't it 85 00:03:56,307 --> 00:03:58,107 Speaker 2: that the oposition doesn't get into your twenty two and 86 00:03:58,147 --> 00:04:00,147 Speaker 2: then you get opportunities to kicking them in twenty two 87 00:04:00,187 --> 00:04:00,867 Speaker 2: and get your game. 88 00:04:00,747 --> 00:04:03,227 Speaker 4: Gun and a yeah, they conceive the fourteen penalties plus 89 00:04:03,267 --> 00:04:07,547 Speaker 4: the yellow cards of course. So absolutely a guy you've 90 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:09,507 Speaker 4: had a lot to do with. How do I reckon 91 00:04:09,587 --> 00:04:11,947 Speaker 4: he went today? And what might his all black's future 92 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:12,307 Speaker 4: look like? 93 00:04:13,307 --> 00:04:18,187 Speaker 3: Oh? His future is clearly clearly massive. You know he's 94 00:04:18,667 --> 00:04:20,787 Speaker 3: he's been absolute champion on this tour. 95 00:04:21,187 --> 00:04:24,987 Speaker 2: Obviously, you know he's got the mack and body in 96 00:04:24,987 --> 00:04:27,627 Speaker 2: front of him for the first three games. And he's 97 00:04:27,947 --> 00:04:31,307 Speaker 2: set the boys up by in our training weeks absolutely 98 00:04:31,307 --> 00:04:34,387 Speaker 2: brilliantly by being playing exactly where the opposition we're going 99 00:04:34,427 --> 00:04:35,267 Speaker 2: to play on the weekend. 100 00:04:35,307 --> 00:04:37,547 Speaker 3: And for him to get his opportunity, you know, was 101 00:04:37,787 --> 00:04:38,507 Speaker 3: awesome for him. 102 00:04:38,587 --> 00:04:42,827 Speaker 2: And he's a great talent fifteen ten, you know, and 103 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:45,627 Speaker 2: you saw what he can do. We'll just try a 104 00:04:45,667 --> 00:04:47,667 Speaker 2: getting off that big, banging off that right foot and 105 00:04:47,707 --> 00:04:50,387 Speaker 2: offend and those are the great things that when Rubes 106 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:52,747 Speaker 2: is getting all the simple parts in this game right, 107 00:04:52,787 --> 00:04:55,707 Speaker 2: then you see the magic so mass, the future mass 108 00:04:55,707 --> 00:04:58,107 Speaker 2: of future and there's no doubt that he'll. 109 00:04:57,947 --> 00:04:59,547 Speaker 3: Work hard for it. There's not that many people that 110 00:04:59,627 --> 00:05:00,547 Speaker 3: work harder than Rubes. 111 00:05:00,987 --> 00:05:03,387 Speaker 4: And this time last year, Fabian Holland wasn't even an 112 00:05:03,427 --> 00:05:05,707 Speaker 4: All Black. He's played all but one of your thirteen 113 00:05:05,747 --> 00:05:09,227 Speaker 4: tests as year. He's just been named World Rugby's Breakthrough 114 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:12,827 Speaker 4: Player of the Year. How do you assess his development 115 00:05:12,947 --> 00:05:13,667 Speaker 4: as an All Black. 116 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:16,707 Speaker 2: It's got to be it's got to be put into 117 00:05:16,747 --> 00:05:19,587 Speaker 2: some sort of movie. I reckon the way, you know, 118 00:05:20,947 --> 00:05:24,187 Speaker 2: the yeah, growing up as a kid in the Netherlands 119 00:05:24,187 --> 00:05:27,707 Speaker 2: and and then coming out on you know, those last 120 00:05:27,747 --> 00:05:28,467 Speaker 2: couple years of school. 121 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:29,947 Speaker 3: It's pretty phenomenal. 122 00:05:29,987 --> 00:05:33,627 Speaker 2: And again, he's just a good man who works hard 123 00:05:33,707 --> 00:05:35,747 Speaker 2: and he's obviously massively talented. 124 00:05:35,787 --> 00:05:37,267 Speaker 3: And some of his worker in the line out is 125 00:05:38,187 --> 00:05:39,547 Speaker 3: you know, right up there. 126 00:05:39,627 --> 00:05:42,267 Speaker 2: So there's been some good stories like that day around 127 00:05:42,307 --> 00:05:43,747 Speaker 2: some of the young fellows, you know, and then there's 128 00:05:43,827 --> 00:05:45,787 Speaker 2: there's a good for young fellows that are that are 129 00:05:45,787 --> 00:05:48,187 Speaker 2: doing some good things and readilar kick on. 130 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:49,827 Speaker 3: So it's it's really encouraging you. 131 00:05:49,907 --> 00:05:51,907 Speaker 4: We're just on that. Forty five players have worn the 132 00:05:51,907 --> 00:05:55,027 Speaker 4: Black jersey this year. Some of that's through necessity with injuries, 133 00:05:55,027 --> 00:05:57,627 Speaker 4: et cetera, but forty five players have played for the 134 00:05:57,627 --> 00:06:00,147 Speaker 4: All Blacks this year. How do you engauge the depth 135 00:06:00,267 --> 00:06:00,987 Speaker 4: that you've built? 136 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:04,907 Speaker 2: Look, well, I know Ray Ray talks a lot about 137 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:08,267 Speaker 2: being four deep in every position, you know, and we 138 00:06:08,307 --> 00:06:10,947 Speaker 2: feel like we feel like, you know, we're getting there, 139 00:06:10,987 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 2: you know, And and lots of guys have had exposure 140 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:16,627 Speaker 2: and even if it's not necessarily exposure in test matches, 141 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:20,307 Speaker 2: it's it's been on a tour like this or you know, 142 00:06:20,507 --> 00:06:24,467 Speaker 2: in places like Argentina and and understanding and all that 143 00:06:24,507 --> 00:06:26,507 Speaker 2: sort of adds to your ability to be able to 144 00:06:26,507 --> 00:06:29,187 Speaker 2: perform under pressure. So they're all getting good time and 145 00:06:29,747 --> 00:06:31,227 Speaker 2: as you've seen with some of them. You know, we 146 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:33,907 Speaker 2: had Wally Satiti come into it last year and we 147 00:06:33,987 --> 00:06:36,347 Speaker 2: know where he's got to and Fabes and Rubes and 148 00:06:36,387 --> 00:06:39,947 Speaker 2: you talk around those sorts of guys. It's yeah, it's 149 00:06:40,027 --> 00:06:43,547 Speaker 2: it's it's just exciting where they can get to and 150 00:06:43,547 --> 00:06:45,467 Speaker 2: and there was another year under the belt where they 151 00:06:45,547 --> 00:06:46,387 Speaker 2: where they can take it to. 152 00:06:46,987 --> 00:06:49,467 Speaker 4: Are you able to appraise the year as a whole 153 00:06:49,667 --> 00:06:50,907 Speaker 4: or is it a bit early for that. 154 00:06:53,067 --> 00:06:55,587 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not always a big picture pinety without 155 00:06:55,627 --> 00:06:59,587 Speaker 2: holding me to anything, it's I think it's a really 156 00:06:59,587 --> 00:07:00,867 Speaker 2: great moments in our season. 157 00:07:01,147 --> 00:07:03,427 Speaker 3: There's some great things in it. But I think. 158 00:07:03,267 --> 00:07:07,747 Speaker 2: We're you know, we'd we'd accept and challenge ourselves and 159 00:07:07,787 --> 00:07:11,987 Speaker 2: our consistency of of doing things, you know, doing things 160 00:07:12,107 --> 00:07:14,227 Speaker 2: right for longer, and that's going to be a big, 161 00:07:14,747 --> 00:07:15,867 Speaker 2: big work on going forward. 162 00:07:15,907 --> 00:07:18,267 Speaker 3: You know, we play some good footy and then we make. 163 00:07:18,147 --> 00:07:21,547 Speaker 2: Silly eras or or or take the pressure off us, 164 00:07:21,787 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 2: you know, off the opposition and put them back on 165 00:07:23,587 --> 00:07:26,867 Speaker 2: to us. So you know, whether that school set or 166 00:07:26,907 --> 00:07:28,707 Speaker 2: a little bit of the way that you know, we 167 00:07:28,787 --> 00:07:31,627 Speaker 2: lose the year a lot. We were at times during 168 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:35,067 Speaker 2: the season, which is turning games. There's definitely things that 169 00:07:35,547 --> 00:07:38,907 Speaker 2: where this team needs to be better, But there's massive 170 00:07:38,907 --> 00:07:42,027 Speaker 2: potential because you see such good parts of the game 171 00:07:42,067 --> 00:07:43,987 Speaker 2: for so long. But we're just in a test mench 172 00:07:44,067 --> 00:07:48,187 Speaker 2: that won't be good enough if you're not executing or smart, 173 00:07:48,347 --> 00:07:50,627 Speaker 2: or or kicking well or catching. 174 00:07:50,267 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 3: Well under pressure. 175 00:07:51,107 --> 00:07:55,787 Speaker 2: So the beauty about this group is and and and 176 00:07:55,947 --> 00:08:01,427 Speaker 2: probably internally the we'll challenge each other pretty hard, you know. 177 00:08:01,587 --> 00:08:04,707 Speaker 2: So that's that bodes well for for the next couple 178 00:08:04,747 --> 00:08:05,147 Speaker 2: of years. 179 00:08:05,547 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 4: And now you're remote today as you now prepare to 180 00:08:08,587 --> 00:08:10,227 Speaker 4: step away from the All Blacks. 181 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:14,307 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Look, it's been just just chatting to the 182 00:08:14,347 --> 00:08:17,187 Speaker 2: boys and just told them of how much I love 183 00:08:17,227 --> 00:08:20,867 Speaker 2: the All Blacks and always having, always will. And it's 184 00:08:20,907 --> 00:08:24,347 Speaker 2: been it's just it's been awesome tour. Actually we've had 185 00:08:24,427 --> 00:08:26,347 Speaker 2: We've had a good bit of fun and connect to 186 00:08:26,347 --> 00:08:31,907 Speaker 2: the world. They're all great men. And yeah, I'm mixt 187 00:08:31,947 --> 00:08:34,547 Speaker 2: emotions a little bit, you know, I'm I'm pretty uh 188 00:08:35,627 --> 00:08:37,707 Speaker 2: pretty confident that you know, it's time for me to 189 00:08:37,707 --> 00:08:40,267 Speaker 2: move on. But by the same token of from joyed 190 00:08:40,347 --> 00:08:42,467 Speaker 2: and respect these people in this environment massively. 191 00:08:42,547 --> 00:08:44,427 Speaker 3: And so we'll have a. 192 00:08:44,427 --> 00:08:47,707 Speaker 2: Good night tonight, no doubt, and talk and tell a 193 00:08:47,707 --> 00:08:52,267 Speaker 2: few yards and talk about of rubbish and. 194 00:08:50,787 --> 00:08:51,467 Speaker 3: And we'll move on. 195 00:08:51,907 --> 00:08:53,627 Speaker 4: Got your next move sorted out? 196 00:08:54,107 --> 00:08:55,267 Speaker 3: No, not yet, not yet. 197 00:08:55,307 --> 00:08:56,787 Speaker 2: I always said that I didn't want to really talk 198 00:08:56,787 --> 00:08:59,147 Speaker 2: about it until I make sure I gave everything to 199 00:08:59,227 --> 00:09:02,027 Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks of this tour. 200 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:05,787 Speaker 3: So no, I don't know you've got a job for me, mate. 201 00:09:05,947 --> 00:09:08,307 Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean I'll tell you what punditry you'd 202 00:09:08,307 --> 00:09:10,987 Speaker 4: fit nicely into it. Jas Absolutely, I think you've got 203 00:09:10,987 --> 00:09:12,307 Speaker 4: a lot more to I think you've got a lot 204 00:09:12,347 --> 00:09:14,707 Speaker 4: more to offer the coaching side of things before you 205 00:09:14,787 --> 00:09:16,507 Speaker 4: move to the media with me, mate, But. 206 00:09:17,747 --> 00:09:19,467 Speaker 3: From what I know of your salary, I might take 207 00:09:19,507 --> 00:09:19,827 Speaker 3: it now. 208 00:09:20,467 --> 00:09:23,387 Speaker 4: Wow, Jason, Joy your night, Thanks for chatting. Appreciate your 209 00:09:23,427 --> 00:09:24,827 Speaker 4: accessibility across the year. 210 00:09:25,827 --> 00:09:27,227 Speaker 3: Thanks fining cheers mate. 211 00:09:27,027 --> 00:09:29,587 Speaker 4: No, thank you, Jason. Jason Holland there for the last 212 00:09:29,587 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 4: time as an All Black's assistant coach, joining us on 213 00:09:33,067 --> 00:09:35,307 Speaker 4: weekend Sport. We wait to see what the future holds 214 00:09:35,627 --> 00:09:38,587 Speaker 4: for me. He'll pop up somewhere. He is bone deep 215 00:09:38,587 --> 00:09:41,667 Speaker 4: when it comes to rugby, absolutely loves the game. I've 216 00:09:41,827 --> 00:09:44,067 Speaker 4: got no idea what happened inside the All Blacks camp 217 00:09:44,147 --> 00:09:46,987 Speaker 4: that has led to him exiting, but he will pop 218 00:09:47,067 --> 00:09:49,667 Speaker 4: up somewhere without a shadow of a doubt in a 219 00:09:49,747 --> 00:09:50,947 Speaker 4: coaching sense. 220 00:09:51,867 --> 00:09:55,067 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 221 00:09:55,187 --> 00:09:58,467 Speaker 1: to News Talk Said Be weekends from midday, or follow 222 00:09:58,507 --> 00:10:00,107 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.