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Speaker 1: Hello friends, It's Matt Heath and I've started a substack

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Speaker 1: Bless bless, blessed Livya. Mister note, Oh, it is the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth of September and the year of our Lord twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Welcome all year Bespoke you Doki is the

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Speaker 1: day he Bespoke podcast, and a big hello to those

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Speaker 1: people that are coming to seeing me speak tonight at

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Speaker 1: the Better Man Quiz in Chriss Yet, what's a better

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Speaker 1: man quiz? The better Man you talk to? The better

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Speaker 1: Man Quiz Todd Estell and his brother. Yeah, that's all right,

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Speaker 1: it's a big event. It's a big event down in

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Speaker 1: Chross Church. A great time. Actually, well it will be,

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Speaker 1: I mean before but Scotty Jes Stevenson did it last year.

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Speaker 2: People had a great time. So I'm me on stage

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Speaker 2: talking shit, Are you talking or are you answering questions?

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Speaker 1: What I'm going to do is I'm going to run

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Speaker 1: the quiz and then I'm going to do just a

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Speaker 1: little speech in the middle. Are you a little speech,

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Speaker 1: PowerPoint speech about my book, A Lifeless Punishing?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to do a cover of Better Men

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Speaker 3: by Pulga?

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Speaker 1: Well? I was asked to do that, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: I said, I said, I don't know how to play that.

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Speaker 1: D A G d ag can't find her friend a man.

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Speaker 2: Once you've written a book, I suppose it's not easy

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Speaker 2: to not easy, not hard to put together a speech

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Speaker 2: because you've written essentially a mass of long speech. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then you just need to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've been flying around the country of

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Speaker 1: the speech at least once a weekend or twice a

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Speaker 1: week for the last two months. I think I've been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of them. Book very successful, of course,

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Speaker 1: number one best seller. Same speech or a different speech,

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Speaker 1: different speeches. I just take different parts of the book

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Speaker 1: and engineer them for better men. It's going to be about,

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Speaker 1: you know, spending time with your mates and the value.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to lean into Robert Waldinger's study, the

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Speaker 1: Harvard Happiness Study. They followed fifteen hundred men in Boston

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Speaker 1: department store wanted to find out because they believed that

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Speaker 1: this way back seventy five years ago, this department store

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Speaker 1: Robert Woldoger Wildinger, he's a chiatrist. That's the current head

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got a really good crew of old friends,

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Speaker 3: I think that's unfair men for you to say that

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Speaker 3: you and Gulane have bonded over alcohol. Sure, that's correct,

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Speaker 3: but also a love of broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: I don't live. I don't live.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bit of broadcasting, but I wouldn't just

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Speaker 1: I think the weird thing is me and me and

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Speaker 2: I met a fellow mind sweeper and we just swept

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Speaker 1: And often think with my friends from high school, were

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, I think luck plays such a big part

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Speaker 1: And it was formed. He was the funniest guy. He's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so, and every party in the school was

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Speaker 2: I can imagine parents like where we're going to stay

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Speaker 1: Ye didn't my parents didn't my parents, I'm staying at

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Speaker 1: Phil's house. You've met Phil. He's nice, isn't he? He's

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Speaker 1: parents lived in Queenstown and he flatted by himself, but

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Speaker 1: how about this, about this fulfhill he slept right through

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Speaker 2: different that bringing difference. Every person brought different things. I

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Speaker 2: was like, Ah, this works, this totally works.

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Speaker 1: And what was brilliant for with me because I guess

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Speaker 1: because me and Joe Jury, who's a SEC, we went

440
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Speaker 1: to a lot of cricket games together, like we'd go

441
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Speaker 1: and watch cracket beforehand, and so what it was for

442
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Speaker 1: me was you guys were doing the commentary and it

443
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Speaker 1: was like me and Joe Jury having our conversations that

444
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Speaker 1: we'd have in the stands, but in the rhythm of cricket.

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Speaker 1: So kind of like those great moments you'd heard in

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Speaker 1: test matches in the Plunket Shield growing up, because I

447
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Speaker 1: still listen to a lot of Plunket Shield and just

448
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Speaker 1: the person going, is that a vanilla ice cream that

449
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Speaker 1: young girls eating? That looks good, doesn't it? You know?

450
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Speaker 1: As you know, and then and then the description of

451
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Speaker 1: what was happening. It was such a great rhythm. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Someone said the other day something interesting about companionship, and

453
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Speaker 2: I think that was a big thing about radio cricket commentary.

454
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Speaker 2: It's companionship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's companionship because I think

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Speaker 1: that's what it was like for me when I was

457
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Speaker 1: growing up, because I was growing up on the farm

458
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Speaker 1: that was miles away from anywhere, and it was I

459
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Speaker 1: remember my childhood been quite quiet because because it was

460
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Speaker 1: just it was on a farm, you know, it was

461
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Speaker 1: so silent. And when I go and visit even Danita now,

462
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Speaker 1: but when i'd go back and visit my parents, it

463
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Speaker 1: would hurt your ears. Hos quiet it was. And so

464
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Speaker 1: just having cricket playing all the time. And then you know,

465
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Speaker 1: and he used to be on free too television. You

466
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Speaker 1: walk through the lounge and cricket would be on, and

467
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Speaker 1: you'd have it on the on the Transis radio. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was You're so right, it was companionship. Companionship.

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Speaker 2: But I think so much of audio audio broadcasting as companionship.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be interested to know what people how

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Speaker 2: they listen to this podcast. Whether this is considered companionship

472
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Speaker 2: for people people listen to it. I listened to some

473
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Speaker 2: podcasts before I go to bed, Yeah, and I now,

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Speaker 2: I now it's quite intimate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was an intimacy. I listened to the Agenda

476
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Speaker 1: podcast when I'm not on it at the gym, and

477
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm hanging out with Manya and g Lane.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there on the gym, lay in the gym,

479
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Speaker 1: like in a machine, and it's like I'm part of

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Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm just sitting there because it's right in

481
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Speaker 1: my ears and no one else can hear it. But

482
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Speaker 1: it's two people talking, and so yeah, it's like you

483
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Speaker 1: can transport a conversation with you if Yeah, I mean

484
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Speaker 1: because people listening to this right now obviously because their

485
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Speaker 1: podcast is quite successful, it'd be interesting if they, yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: how they experience it.

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Speaker 2: So you've got some stats on that particular game, Router, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, funnily enough, I do. I do remember that game

489
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Speaker 3: because it wasn't long after Corey Anderson, Corey Corey Corey

490
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Speaker 3: Corey Corey Corey Anderson got that quick one hundred against

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Speaker 3: the Western.

492
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Speaker 2: First on the scene, and this was a.

493
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Speaker 3: Game when we've gone quite sol Can Williamson got seventy

494
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Speaker 3: one off eighty eight. Ross Taylor got fifty.

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Speaker 1: We came up with the name stead the Ship Williamson

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Speaker 1: and that first that first morning.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and Corey Anderson smashed four sixers sixty eight

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Speaker 3: off forty balls.

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Speaker 1: We started in such a good spot for New Zealand cricket,

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Speaker 1: didn't we And we won?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So we got two ninety two for seven

502
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Speaker 3: and there got two sixty eight all out. Verapp got

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We rode such we rode that roade such

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Speaker 1: a wave hot because then next year coming into the

506
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Speaker 1: Cricket World Cup and cricket actually grew exponentially as we grew.

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Speaker 1: Expect a good time.

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Speaker 2: As as look at those New Zealand players, Carlin.

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Speaker 1: And I'm worried for the future of Test cricket and

510
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Speaker 1: New Zealand in one day cricket in New Zealand just because

511
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Speaker 1: of the incentives so different now for a cricket player,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, so ruder. When you heard of the ACC

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Speaker 1: and you first started listening to it, did you fucking

514
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Speaker 1: hate us?

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Speaker 3: I personally didn't hate it. I was I was a

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Speaker 3: bit ambivalent. I was like, ah, it's funny to listen to,

517
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Speaker 3: but I heard so many people that were traditional cricket

518
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Speaker 3: watches and listeners that did fucking hate it. And we're like,

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Speaker 3: I'm never gonna listen to those guys. Why would I

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Speaker 3: waste my time? If I just wanted to hear people

521
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Speaker 3: talk shit, I would just watch the cricket and put

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Speaker 3: something else on, because that's basically what these guys are doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's what we had to be. We

524
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Speaker 2: had to be hated by some people. Yeah, to be

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Speaker 2: by some other people.

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Speaker 1: We had to be different. We had to be the

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Speaker 1: alternative option, which we were. We were alternative as opposed

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Speaker 1: to you know, the mainstream.

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Speaker 3: But I remember you guys very heavily involved around that

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen World Cup and that game was Grant Elliott

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Speaker 3: eat Eden part Yeah, and there was you know, there's

532
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Speaker 3: all those clubs are smoothy and grand Elliott Superman. But

533
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Speaker 3: for some weird reason, the ones that I saw more

534
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Speaker 3: were just you guys yelling was distorted.

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Speaker 1: Stone to Elliott. Yeah, I mean it was the one

536
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Speaker 1: thing that we bought as well, just to blow smoke

537
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Speaker 1: up our own ass. Was just pure fandom, so we

538
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Speaker 1: never ran down. I mean, you know, you and Gelane

539
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Speaker 1: played cricket to a risthmly high level, but I was

540
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Speaker 1: terrible at cricket, so I wasn't in a position to

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Speaker 1: question whether someone was good enough to be in the

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Speaker 1: team or any of those kind of things. And we

543
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Speaker 1: came to it as fans. So the one thing we

544
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Speaker 1: did have, and at that time in cricket got into

545
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Speaker 1: this really negative stage where we're basically our commentators on

546
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Speaker 1: TV and on radio, we're just they were like anti

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Speaker 1: our team. All the commentary was just basically lecturing them

548
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Speaker 1: and telling them off. Ex players just telling the team

549
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Speaker 1: off constantly, and that's no fun. I mean, I watched

550
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers a lot of days, and they own their

551
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Speaker 1: own commentary team and as a result, their commentary team

552
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Speaker 1: that travels around all the games is the same commentary

553
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Speaker 1: team and they are very obviously, very pro their team.

554
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Speaker 1: And then when you get into the playoffs you have

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Speaker 1: the national commentators that come in and it's so different.

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Speaker 1: You start to get really fucked off because they actually

557
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Speaker 1: telling you the truth rather than you're like, well, of

558
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Speaker 1: the turtle, Yeah, this guy is amazing. And now you're

559
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Speaker 1: telling me he's got major problems in his swing.

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Speaker 2: It's very siloed, you know. I think the same thing

561
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Speaker 2: happens with the Warriors, to be honest. Yeah, with the

562
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Speaker 2: New Zealand commentary versus the Australian commentary, people get really

563
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Speaker 2: wound up about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now you talk about the negativity that was around the

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Speaker 3: team at that point, because that was about eighteen months

567
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Speaker 3: after Ross Taylor had been dropped as captain and then

568
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Speaker 3: mcillum took over. Yeah, and all that stuff went on

569
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Speaker 3: in Sri Lanka and people were hating on Mike, blamed

570
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Speaker 3: Mike Keson.

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Speaker 1: For it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of traditional commentators were very I

573
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Speaker 3: now remember it. We're very negative about it at that point.

574
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Speaker 3: And we went and got forty five in South Africa

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Speaker 3: and everyone's like told, yeah, Ross didn't want to go.

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Speaker 3: This is McCullum's fault.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the problem with that situation as we look

578
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Speaker 1: back now, as Ross Taylor wasn't his turn to be Kepden,

579
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Speaker 1: it was, it was Brendan. They got it wrong when

580
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Speaker 1: they put home on Great New Zealand to Ross Taylor.

581
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Speaker 1: Love them, credible batsman, great tongue, but it wasn't his turn,

582
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Speaker 1: and so they kind And the thing is that Mike

583
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Speaker 1: Essen and and because I mean I grew up with

584
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Speaker 1: Mike Keessen and the mccallums were I mean, they knew

585
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Speaker 1: each other obviously. They're from South Dunedin, both of them.

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Speaker 2: You know, it always happens when when people end up

587
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Speaker 2: in national sports seems they bring the people. It happens

588
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Speaker 2: in any work situation at the people that they know

589
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Speaker 2: around them.

590
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Speaker 1: Are picking Dog Roll as his captain. You want to

591
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Speaker 1: have someone that you can have a partnership and you

592
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Speaker 1: know you don't have to develop it. You you know

593
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Speaker 1: that you're on the same page. Didn't make sense, but anyway, okay,

594
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Speaker 1: then all right, then have a good weekend. A lot

595
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Speaker 1: of people would have not found that podcast like Companions

596
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Speaker 1: in the Air when they just you were, the three

597
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Speaker 1: of us just winking each other off. Really super companion.

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Speaker 3: You're not as sad about that game? As I look

599
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: at the scorecard, Jesse riders in the team. Then what

600
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: a waste? What a waste? I thinks, Yeah, he was

601
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Speaker 3: a waste of telling great player, got great rider play.

602
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Speaker 1: Remember we went down to the bay over and we

603
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: saw him and he was still playing club cricket, you know,

604
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: smashing around.

605
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Speaker 3: He loved cricket.

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Speaker 1: It's sutually a real tragedy that his mindset wasn't right

607
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: for interessial cricket, but his genetics and his skill level

608
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Speaker 1: belore a few totally. Just a beautiful time with the ball. Incredible.

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Speaker 1: All right, then, all right, shove that up your ass. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the Matt

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen

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Speaker 1: barred up about anyway. Set to download, like, subscribe, writer, review,

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Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent, Mesh and Ruder. If you

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