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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsweakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news.

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Speaker 2: Dolf zaidb.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is seven after four. Welcome to your

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Speaker 3: Monday Afternoon. Coming up on the show after five, our

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Speaker 3: live interviews Simeon Brown. The government's having another crackdown on

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Speaker 3: the Council's another crack at the councils. He's announcing that

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Speaker 3: right now. We'll have details for you. Santa is set

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Speaker 3: to disappoint this week. GDP data out government's books being opened,

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Speaker 3: all looking quite bad. Nikola Willis has details after six plus.

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Speaker 3: What's coldplay got to do with your airfares going up?

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Speaker 3: And I am angry about small signs going up all

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Speaker 3: over my neighborhood. I'll tell you why throughout.

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Speaker 2: The program, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: What's worse than somebody who doesn't give a shit about

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Speaker 3: poor people and victims of domestic violence? Somebody who says

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Speaker 3: they care about them. Ben's billions of dollars in vain

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Speaker 3: trying to fix it and actually makes the problem worse.

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Speaker 3: At the weekend, the Minister Karen Shaw launched the Family

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Speaker 3: Violence Action Plan, which is basically a redo of the

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Speaker 3: twenty five year plan that her predecessor, Madame and Davidson

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Speaker 3: launched during her three years in office. And we all

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Speaker 3: know the prevailing narrative. Nobody cares about the poor and

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Speaker 3: the downtrodden quite like the Greens. So they had these

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Speaker 3: two very important portfolios in the last government, homelessness and

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Speaker 3: family violence. People are already trolling Poor Karen over her plan.

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Speaker 3: But let's take a look back at the Greens results,

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Speaker 3: shall we, and remember the three years prior to the

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Speaker 3: Greens it was Labor in charge, So fellow travelers homelessness

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Speaker 3: and the census from twenty twenty three, which is when

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Speaker 3: Labor was booted out of office, homelessness those people living

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Speaker 3: in severely deprived housing was up two point one percent,

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Speaker 3: an extra thirteen thousand kiwis so a big fat F

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Speaker 3: for fail. Family violence June twenty twenty three, the numbers

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Speaker 3: tell us one hundred and seventy seven thousand family harm

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Speaker 3: investigations recorded by the New Zealand Police. That's a forty

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Speaker 3: nine percent increase on twenty seventeen. So that is a

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Speaker 3: big fat fail with a capital F. So the minister

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Speaker 3: who supposedly cared more about these issues than any other

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Speaker 3: from a party who cares more deeply than any other,

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Speaker 3: took our most vulnerable backwards. All that despite being part

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Speaker 3: of the highest spending government in this country's history, who

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Speaker 3: doubled our national debt to GDP ratio and pumped hundreds

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Speaker 3: of millions extra in dollars into well being initiatives and

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Speaker 3: wrote a twenty five year plan. What is that anyway?

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Speaker 3: What major company do you know writes a twenty five

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Speaker 3: year plan. It's a nonsense ten at most, yes, but

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Here's a prediction. By the time this plan

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Speaker 3: turns twenty five, nobody in Parliament will remember it. Collected

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Speaker 3: on it so thick you could probably house the homeless

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Speaker 3: underneath it. The point here is just because somebody tells

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Speaker 3: you they care more about something, it doesn't mean it's true,

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Speaker 3: and most importantly, it doesn't mean they can turn care

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Speaker 3: news talks said be Prices for domestic flights rose more

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Speaker 3: It's the highest increase since July last year. In mid November,

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Speaker 3: there were reports of flights nearly tripling in price due

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Speaker 3: to demand from people flying to uguesstic Coldplay aviation commentator

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Speaker 3: Peter Clark is with me this afternoon to try and

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Speaker 3: break this down. Peter, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: You're a good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Should we have to accept, Well, first of all, do

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Speaker 3: you accept that this November increase is down to events

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Speaker 3: like Coldplay and other concerts around the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, those peak demands to increase feares momentarily really over

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Speaker 4: But the feares do rise dramatically when the algorithms portray

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Speaker 3: Is this surprising? This sounds to me like basic supply

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Speaker 4: It is supply and demand, But then I think sometimes

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Speaker 3: No, But I mean, how do you get around this?

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Speaker 3: What is the way around this? The airline itself was

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Speaker 3: those lower, those cheaper fares get booked up quickly and

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Speaker 4: Well that's the way it is going to be. But

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Speaker 4: I do think sometimes I feel our high feares are

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Speaker 4: definitely far too high. I think the airline's got to

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Speaker 4: domestic markets, especially to the small places Gisbon, Kokoe's, fom

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Speaker 4: Arrays and all and Tyronus, you know, and we need

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Speaker 4: because it's the demand is there for those flights.

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Speaker 3: They made one hundred and forty six million dollars net

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Speaker 3: profit after tax to June, which was down drastically on

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Speaker 3: what they hoped to make. Is that a super profit?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: How does that compare to other countries?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know whether you can compare it, because

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Speaker 4: we are owned. The airline is actually owned. Basically by

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Speaker 4: the share holders, which is the government and private shareholders.

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Speaker 4: So the attitude of the airline is we have to

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Speaker 4: return a profit to the shareholders. But how much should

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Speaker 4: at fleet replacements, engineering costs and other things that could

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Speaker 4: be reduced. Stop spending all this money on ecoplanes at

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Speaker 4: the moment. I know that's very important in our future.

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Speaker 4: But at the moment, we need to run the airline

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Speaker 4: for the people of this country and I think that

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Speaker 3: You think, are we going go broke? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is there too much? Hey look at me,

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Speaker 3: I can fly my plane on vegetable oil and not

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm starting to feel that with the National Airline,

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Speaker 4: as it is a monopoly airline. It's as I said,

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Speaker 4: and I feel sometimes that I think that in New

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Speaker 4: It's to transport people around New Zealand. This is domestically

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Speaker 4: at a fair price, and I think spiking prices to

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Speaker 4: capitalize on those demands, to me is unfair. Reduce the

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Speaker 3: If you don't make a profit, how do you invest

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Speaker 4: Well, you've got a plan for new planes. They become

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Speaker 4: distributed through planning over several years. The plane doesn't come

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Speaker 4: To me, sometimes we need to get past that also,

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Speaker 4: and we should have had a earlier fleet planning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time, Peter. Peter Clark Aviation commentator,

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Speaker 3: if you're just joining us the flights domestic flights rose

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Speaker 3: ten point eight percent in November according to stats in Zed.

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Speaker 3: This off the back of a very busy month for

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Speaker 3: some concerts and some marathons, etc. Which push demand up.

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Speaker 3: But also let's not forget the supply side. They've got

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Speaker 3: their Pratt and Whitney engines that have got maintenance issues.

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Speaker 3: it's almost a perfect storm up in the skies at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Love to know your thoughts. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the number to text. I had to book

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Speaker 3: that's unreasonable for a same day booking, do you nine

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Speaker 1: US election? On Heather duple c Alum Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected the news talk said b

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Speaker 1: Sport with tab get your bet on rit bet responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Have an updates for you from Postcab. By the way,

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Speaker 3: the government's having another crack at our councils. We'll get

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Speaker 3: to that in a second. Eighteen after four Right now,

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Speaker 3: Jason Pines with our sports talk host seven pm tonight

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Speaker 3: on News Talk, said B Jason, good afternoon. Get I right.

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Speaker 3: It looks like we're winning this Test, are we well?

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Speaker 5: I hesitate slightly to give one hundred percent confirmation of that.

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Speaker 5: What are we at tea? We lead by four hundred

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Speaker 5: and seventy eight runs. Now, that seems like a lot

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Speaker 5: today and then two more days. The only little caveat

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Speaker 5: here is that England have revolution. It's the way that

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Speaker 5: under Brendan McCallum, of course, to go out there and

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Speaker 5: it feels like in England winners off the table. It's

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Speaker 5: just whether the New Zealand has the wherewithal over the

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Speaker 5: of pride from this Test series.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at I was wondering who it was

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Speaker 3: looks terrible. God his age since I last saw him.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, let's talk. Let's look football Auckland. The FC have

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Speaker 3: been hit by injuries. Now this is going to be

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Speaker 3: a bit of a problem for us.

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Speaker 5: Well it could be, yes, it could. I mean they've

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Speaker 5: been so good to start, haven't they. And they've had

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Speaker 5: a very consistent team selection to start with. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: center back from Australia, are Louis Vastrata, their Belgium midfielder

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Speaker 5: I think for Strata is the one likely to be

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Speaker 5: back quickest. Dan Hall's broken his ankle. That's a three

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Speaker 5: month kind of stint on the sidelines for House and

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Speaker 5: it's sort of four to six weeks. Having said that,

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Speaker 5: they missed those three guys last night and still got

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Speaker 5: down to draw two to two in Melbourne against Melbourne

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Speaker 5: City who are a pretty good team. So look it'll

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Speaker 5: test their depth. But that's what you know, that's what

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Speaker 5: that's what sport's all about, having the next man up mentality.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, let's see how how Auckland FC cope with

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Speaker 5: being a couple of men down were.

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Speaker 3: They supposed to? Is this what you would have expected

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Speaker 3: from them? Performance wise? So far? It's they've done pretty well.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone expected this at the start of

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Speaker 5: the season. No, I mean the you know to be

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jason, thank you for that. We'll see tonight. Jason Pine,

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you this afternoon. It is twenty

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car

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Speaker 3: Good Arthenoon if you're just joining me twenty five minutes

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Speaker 3: out of Australia because the last of the Balin nine

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Speaker 3: at postcab out of Wellington this afternoon. The government's having

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Speaker 6: Councils should be focused on their core functions, delivering the

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Speaker 3: So instead the government is launching council reform. One of

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Speaker 7: Us rates so that ratepayers know the amount of rates

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Speaker 7: to give ratepays and residents clear information about their councils

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Speaker 3: See that sounds good to me, but is anyone going

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Speaker 3: read it? And we'll take our you know, our participation

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Speaker 8: Oh, aren't you I need you old girl.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful things that are.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on here the duper see Alan drive

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Speaker 8: No thanks Karam sun by myself like you water.

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Speaker 3: Myself the New Zealand. It is twenty five minutes away

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Speaker 3: from five. It is the sixteenth of December. We're cruising

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis. I might edge she's with us after six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: His Santa sack will be rather empty. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to GDP. We're expecting bad numbers this week and Nicola

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Speaker 3: we're talking this afternoon because Simon Brown's having a crack

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Speaker 3: after five. But what would it take to get you

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Speaker 3: So here's an idea. What if we made it compulsory

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Speaker 3: Would we then get better governance? Nine two nine two

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Speaker 1: If the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: The last five members of the Balley nine have returned

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Speaker 3: Here's the Australian Prime Minister elbow.

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Speaker 7: This isn't an act of compassion by president.

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Speaker 8: And we thank him for it.

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Speaker 10: After nineteen years in Indonesian prison, it was time for

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Speaker 3: The French government is rushing emergencies supplies to Myot in

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Speaker 11: Well, no matter how the houses were built, everything has

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Speaker 12: People are doing their best to try and rebuild their houses,

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Speaker 3: And finally, someone in the city of Bend in Oregon

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Speaker 3: Eight statues have been hit, including a phoenix, a sphere,

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Speaker 3: the googly eyes. Some Bend residents have suggested the council

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Speaker 3: Stephen Beer agrees, Oh, come.

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Speaker 13: On, you're gonna get mad about that.

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Speaker 8: It's fun and frankly it's safer.

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Speaker 6: If Bambi's mom had had those eyes, maybe she'd have

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Let's go to six pr pers Life present to Oliver Peterson.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Good afternoons, some good news for those Barling nine

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Speaker 8: Yeah, indeed it is Ryan.

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Speaker 14: And this one actually hits really personally for me because

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Speaker 14: Andrew Channon, Mari and Silkamarain were shot via firing squad,

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Speaker 14: Of the the blood in the theater sport around what

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Speaker 14: is dividing opinions to be honest, Ryan, because they're saying,

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Speaker 14: I look at this and think, look they've done nineteen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: I'm not advocating for anything that they did or tried

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Speaker 8: But this is a tricky one to navigate.

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Speaker 3: Do we know Indonesia was offered if anything.

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Speaker 8: Well, what has happened as a result of this?

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Speaker 14: And I think if you look at you know that

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Speaker 14: the question I think that we should have answered.

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Speaker 3: Interesting Melbourne as never going to bring back it's Australia

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Speaker 14: No, not if the Allen government, the Labor government in

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Speaker 14: And even when it was canceled during the COVID years,

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Speaker 14: But it's interesting, you know, the Australia dat debate always

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Speaker 15: Ryan?

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Speaker 14: And unfortunately with this one, you've still got two thirds

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Speaker 8: It's a good day of celebration.

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Speaker 14: It's something to try and unite everybody in Victoria and

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Speaker 8: But that's the biggest problem. And until we can.

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Speaker 8: They're too nervous to do it.

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Speaker 14: So until somebody has the backbone to actually decide that

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Speaker 14: this is no longer the day to celebrate this nation,

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Speaker 14: best country on the planet. We are the lucky country.

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Speaker 14: But you feel nervous about doing it. So we need

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Speaker 14: to find another date. I don't know what that date is.

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Speaker 8: Nobody can ever give you an answer to that one either.

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Speaker 3: Cricket commentators had to apologize for using the word primate.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so, Ishaku has been in a bit of hot water.

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Speaker 14: Yesterday in the first session during commentary. She described the

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Speaker 14: Indian fast Bola Boomera as the MVP and that pe

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Speaker 14: was yes with primate. So look, it's erupted on social media.

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Speaker 14: She just addressed the cameras before play on the third

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Speaker 14: day between Australia and India at the Gabba ground and

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Speaker 14: she's into catered that it was not any malice, so

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Speaker 14: that was not her intention at all. She apologizes for it.

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Speaker 14: She said she's always shown empathy and respect. She's a

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Speaker 14: champion for equality, inclusion and understanding. And Easha Gi her

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Speaker 14: herself is a lady of South Asian heritage. Her parents

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Speaker 14: are Indian and it was interesting when she delivered this

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Speaker 14: sitting next to Ravi Shastri because he indicated that He

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Speaker 14: says that she was brave to.

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Speaker 8: Do it on television to apologize. She's done it. We

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Speaker 8: should move on.

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Speaker 14: People are entitled to make mistakes, so I think that

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Speaker 14: one may have been put to better. I don't think

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Speaker 14: Eashagi will be canceled now and look good on it.

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Speaker 8: She owned up.

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Speaker 14: She's got on the front foot with that and she's

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Speaker 14: a brilliant cricket commentator. I'm sure that she will be

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Speaker 14: able to catch up with jasper bumra after this test match.

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Speaker 3: And move on from the whole thing. Oliver, thank you

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Speaker 3: for that. Oliver Peterson, the six PR Perth Live presenter

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Speaker 3: with us just gone eighteen sorry, seventeen minutes away from

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Speaker 3: five Bryan Bridge. Loads of feedback coming in on local councils. Hi, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: how's this for an idea? And Simon, I do like

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Speaker 3: this idea. If you vote using your rates, then you

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Speaker 3: get a discount on your rates account for at the

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Speaker 3: end of the year, say one and a half percent.

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Speaker 3: Just an idea, Simon, great idea. It would encourage more

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Speaker 3: people to vote and maybe even think about who they're

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Speaker 3: voting for. Someone else says, I think you should only

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Speaker 3: be able to vote if you pay rates. I don't

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Speaker 3: think we can do that. Can we do that? No,

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Speaker 3: we can't do that. I mean that would be like

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Speaker 3: only being able to vote in national elections if you

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Speaker 3: paid tax. I suppose you've got it. I mean, then

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Speaker 3: you know you've got a vested interests, haven't you. You're

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Speaker 3: contributing so you care more about where the money goes.

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Speaker 3: But you can't do that because we're citizens of the

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Speaker 3: country and we all share citizenship, don't Well, no, you

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Speaker 3: can't say that you can't do that. That's bad. It

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Speaker 3: has just gone sixteen minutes away from five very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris, what's she going to do? Run for governor

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Speaker 3: in California? These are her options. Run for governor in California,

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Speaker 3: I know what a letdown booby prize. Or have another

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Speaker 3: crack and try and get elected in twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 3: to be president. Now what you risk is actually losing

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Speaker 3: out in the primaries for the Democrats and being shamed once.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's already lost in the primaries once, so

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Speaker 3: she would have to forego a job through to twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight because you can't be governor and then try

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Speaker 3: and run for president as well. So she's got a

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Speaker 3: decision to make, and she apparently needs to make it

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Speaker 3: by around Inaugura, just after Trump's inauguration, So she hasn't

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Speaker 3: got long to decide what do I want to do

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Speaker 3: with my future? Be governor and let that be that, bygones,

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Speaker 3: be bygones, I'll never be president. Or sit on your

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Speaker 3: thumbs for a little while, take a punt and maybe

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Speaker 3: just maybe get yourself into the White House come twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight. It is quarter to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is thirteen away from five news talks.

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Speaker 3: There'd be very soapers here with our senior political correspondent

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Speaker 3: for news talks, there'd be very good afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: Run.

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Speaker 16: You really didn't have to give me the title.

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel it's important to do that. Some people

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Speaker 3: enjoy it more than others, exactly. Speaking of titles, the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister has been speaking alongside Local Government Minister Simon Brown.

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Speaker 16: Yes he has today.

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Speaker 9: What essentially they're trying to do is to make local

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Speaker 9: government more accountable to.

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Speaker 16: The rate players.

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Speaker 9: And you will remember not long after Chris Luxton took

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Speaker 9: over the job, he said that the nice to have

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Speaker 9: shouldn't be there and he cited the convention center, the

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Speaker 9: new convention Center in Wontington, which seems, I've got to say,

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Speaker 9: to be going quite well. It's right opposite the Tapapa,

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Speaker 9: which is a convention center in itself. But look, being

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Speaker 9: the capital city, you probably get a bit more sort

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Speaker 9: of mileage having a big convention center like that. But anyway,

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Speaker 9: what they're doing is they've announced today and it'll come

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Speaker 9: out before the local body elections next year. They want

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Speaker 9: basically the local body governments to get back to the

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Speaker 9: basics and they're removing from the Act the four Well,

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Speaker 9: of course they were the babies of Grant Robertson in

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Speaker 9: most legislation that labor passed and that's social, economic, environmental

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Speaker 9: and cultural.

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Speaker 16: When it comes to the councils. What that means, goodness

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Speaker 16: only knows, but nevertheless that's.

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Speaker 9: Going to be removed now the local government ministers Simeon Brown.

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Speaker 9: He says there'll essentially be competition between councils to see

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Speaker 9: how well they're doing for the ratepayers.

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Speaker 7: The Department of Internal Affairs will publish a yearly report

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Speaker 7: on key financial and delivery outcomes, helping ratepays hold councils

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Speaker 7: accountable and compare their council with other councils. Modernize outdated rules,

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Speaker 7: including removing requirements for newspaper notices. To drive efficiency and

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Speaker 7: cost savings in local government. The first benchmarking report in

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Speaker 7: the Local Councils we released in the middle of twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five and is expected to include a number of

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Speaker 7: key council performance metrics rates so that ratepays know the

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Speaker 7: amount of rates levied per unit, the change in rates

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Speaker 7: since the previous year and the forecast change in rates

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Speaker 7: over the next ten years compared with other care councils.

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Speaker 7: We want to make it clear that our expectations of

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Speaker 7: the local government are the same that we have of ourselves,

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Speaker 7: which is to get back to the basics and do

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Speaker 7: them brilliantly.

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Speaker 3: And sounds like a good idea, Barry, but are you

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Speaker 3: who is going to go dub dubdub dot DIA, dot

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Speaker 3: gov dot NZ and look up a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: metrics at the government.

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Speaker 16: How much did my rates pay for the potholes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, versus and the cargol I mean, is this going

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Speaker 3: to actually.

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Speaker 16: Look I don't.

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Speaker 9: I think the notion of competition between the councils I've

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Speaker 9: shown on the past, and you don't have to look

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Speaker 9: at tar Honor an absolute failure of the council there

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Speaker 9: a few years back, and look at Wellington at the moment,

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Speaker 9: a failure of the council there. So I don't think

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Speaker 9: councils are particularly worried about how they look compared.

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Speaker 16: To other councils.

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Speaker 9: I think they're more concerned about whether they're getting on

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Speaker 9: and doing the job and I guess this report card

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Speaker 9: will tell us where the councils are performing the way

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Speaker 9: they should perform.

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Speaker 3: But slightly ironic as well, because this used to be

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Speaker 3: the job of the media. Yes there was nobody left

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Speaker 3: in the media exactly, but you know that was one

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Speaker 3: of their jobs. Yes, exactly. Goodness to me. The fairies.

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Speaker 3: The deal's being done. If you listen to Luxeon, it.

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Speaker 16: Goes on forever, this one, doesn't it.

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Speaker 9: And this really for the end of year has been

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Speaker 9: a nightmare for this government. Like I said to you

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Speaker 9: last week when I was in Wellington, you could have

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Speaker 9: cut the air with a knife around Parliament. So many

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Speaker 9: people were hosed off about what had happened. Now it

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Speaker 9: would seem if you listen to the Prime Minister today

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Speaker 9: that essentially the deal on the fairies had been done,

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Speaker 9: and that's if you listen to him.

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Speaker 16: It's now over to Winston Peters to.

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Speaker 3: Improve on it.

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Speaker 6: We need to make a decision around procurement by the

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Speaker 6: end of March this year. We've got a really good

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Speaker 6: option on the table with two rail compatible fairies, which

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Speaker 6: is the default position. Minister Peters has up until the

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Speaker 6: end of March to see whether he can improve on

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Speaker 6: that offer and improve and get a better solution in place.

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Speaker 6: But then we're loading and moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Those two fairies.

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Speaker 16: Tell you what, There's a hell of a lot of

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Speaker 16: pressure on Winston Peters, isn't it. And the thing is

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Speaker 16: you can't tell me. People around the world who builds

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Speaker 16: fairies don't know what this government is now prepared to

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Speaker 16: pay totally, So the bargaining ability I think even for

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Speaker 16: Winston Peters, who you know was a bit of a

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Speaker 16: wide boy when it comes to these things, if he

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Speaker 16: can't get a better deal then it's going to be

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Speaker 16: egged on his face. If they fall back to the

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Speaker 16: position that the Prime minister's now talking about, well, well

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Speaker 16: and good, they should have announced it last week.

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Speaker 3: And also what's the different price between now and March?

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Speaker 16: You know, yeah, the very debarcle's just been terrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Debarkle's a right word. Hey, very quickly. Should those

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Speaker 3: cops have gone to China? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 9: You know, I mean the point is that Andrew Little

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Speaker 9: has come out and said, look, thirty three cops. They

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Speaker 9: went on their own volition, but once they got there,

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Speaker 9: they paid their way there, which was interesting. They went

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Speaker 9: through a tour company I'm sure they've got a pretty

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Speaker 9: good deal once they got there, though, they were looked

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Speaker 9: after by the Chinese, and I don't feel insecure about

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Speaker 9: cops being there. But it isn't really a good lock

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Speaker 9: when you've got people in authority going to what is

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Speaker 9: a communist country. And I'm sure they had no secrets

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Speaker 9: to spill, but nevertheless I think it was a none

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Speaker 9: wise thing for them to do.

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Speaker 3: It certainly sounds like it. Barry Soper, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for that's seven away from five. The Assistant Police

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Speaker 3: Commissioner on this, Sam Hoyle here after five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast now.

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Speaker 8: On domestic and sexual violence.

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Speaker 15: The government's taking another look at a massive fund one

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Speaker 15: point three billion dollars that set aside to deal with this.

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Speaker 15: They have a plan to prioritize fewer things and do

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Speaker 15: them well instead. The Minister for Prevention of Family and

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Speaker 15: Sexual Violence carnturis with us.

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Speaker 17: Now, this was off the back of the first action plan,

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Speaker 17: of course, which we learned trying to detomin many things

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Speaker 17: all at once and doing nothing well was not working

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Speaker 17: out for us. So we decided that we needed to

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Speaker 17: be more focused, more streamlined.

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Speaker 15: Is it possible that you might some spending out of

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Speaker 15: this front.

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Speaker 17: Not looking about cutting the spending, it's there about making

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Speaker 17: sure that that vending is making out true change and

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Speaker 17: making sure that we're actually measuring the outcomes of that change.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplusy Ellen on the My Hosking breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with the Jaguar f base on Newstalgs.

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Speaker 3: EDB Simmy and Brown. The local government minister coming up

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Speaker 3: after five o'clock has cracked down on councils. Lots of

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Speaker 3: you reckon that. Actually it should be compulsory to vote

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Speaker 3: in local body elections. Ryan. You should also note that

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Speaker 3: renters do pay rates through their rent increasing rents. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: if the landlords paying rates and the rates go up,

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Speaker 3: they'll put the rents up. Not necessarily because it depends

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Speaker 3: on supply and demand for rental properties. Right, But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I take your point, Ryan. I live in Wellington. I

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Speaker 3: voted all elections, but we have such terrible candidates that

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Speaker 3: you have to basically pick the best of a bad bunch. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll ask sim and Brown about all of that. Plus

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Speaker 3: the police on that infamous trip to China by some

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Speaker 3: of our officers. Lots more to come here on try.

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Speaker 1: It's the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers by the facts and.

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Speaker 2: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on hither due to Cellen Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talk as 'd be.

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Speaker 3: The government has declared war again on big rates rises

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Speaker 3: and council pet projects. Councils will be expected to focus

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Speaker 3: on delivering the basic services without paying attention to the

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Speaker 3: four well beings that's your social, environmental, economic and cultural wellbeing.

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Speaker 3: And there will be an an annual report done that

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Speaker 3: will allow people to compare rate increases between councils. You

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Speaker 3: have to go to the DIA website to check it out.

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Speaker 3: Some me in Browns the local government minister. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Ryan. Are they listening to you.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 7: This is a part of our plan to make sure

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Speaker 7: that councils do listen to the message that we're giving

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Speaker 7: it giving them by setting very clear benchmarking and by

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Speaker 7: changing the law as to what they should be focused on.

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Speaker 7: And so as ratepayers go to the election next year,

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Speaker 7: we will have published our first of the annual benchmarking

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Speaker 7: reports which will help help electors, voters be able to

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Speaker 7: actually more clearly, in transparent apparently understand what their councilors

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Speaker 7: are spending their money on and whether it's being used effectively.

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Speaker 3: You've told them to rein it in before, famously Luxe

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Speaker 3: and did it at the Convention Center in Wellington. Since then,

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Speaker 3: Wellington's still going ahead with the Golden Mile. In fact,

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Speaker 3: they put out a report last week's some they're going

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Speaker 3: to have to increase rates up to fifteen percent and

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Speaker 3: keep the Golden Mile.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think you see different councils across different parts

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Speaker 7: of the country taking different approaches. I think here in

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Speaker 7: Wellington I've been very clear. I think for Golden Mile

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Speaker 7: is a nice to have rather than I must have,

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Speaker 7: and it's not something which the mayor should be continuing

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Speaker 7: to pursue. But ultimately accountable, well some aren't and they

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Speaker 7: are ultimately accountable to the voters next year at the election,

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Speaker 7: and in these benchmarking reports will help help voters with

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Speaker 7: being able to assess the performance of their council.

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Speaker 3: This is the fundamental problem with local government, isn't it

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Speaker 3: that it's up to the people bug or all vote.

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Speaker 3: I think Wellington's turn up was forty five percent, which

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Speaker 3: is actually above average. And you have councils that are

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Speaker 3: fighting and amongst themselves and don't get stuff done. Is

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Speaker 3: there anything bigger you can do here? What about compulsory

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Speaker 3: voting for local government?

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Speaker 7: Well, we don't practice compulsory voting in New Zealand, whether

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Speaker 7: that's central or local government.

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Speaker 3: Should we?

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Speaker 7: But what we well, no, that's not something that we're

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Speaker 7: looking at. But what we are focused on as saying,

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Speaker 7: you know, councils should be focused on the basics. We're

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Speaker 7: going to change the law to remove the full well

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Speaker 7: beings and to put in place a definition which is

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Speaker 7: very much focused on fixing the roads and the pipes

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Speaker 7: and those core services that can souls should be doing,

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Speaker 7: and remove the excuses that councilors use to go and

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Speaker 7: spend money on a whole lot of other things, and

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Speaker 7: then have clear benchmarking in place so that we can

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Speaker 7: actually measure that and man and have much more transparent

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Speaker 7: performance around that.

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Speaker 3: So if you let once this lauch that these amendments

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Speaker 3: are made, will Wellington Council be able to do the

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Speaker 3: Golden Mile?

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Speaker 7: Well, that's something that they can fund because they're a

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Speaker 7: road controlling authority ultimately.

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Speaker 3: So is this all just bluster then no, not at all.

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Speaker 7: This is I mean, there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 7: councils go and spend money on which they argue are

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Speaker 7: within the four well beings. They won't be able to

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Speaker 7: use that excuse when they go out to consult on

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Speaker 7: their annual plans or their long term plans as to

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Speaker 7: why they want to spend money on those activities. And

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Speaker 7: as I said the benchmarking, the first step is to

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Speaker 7: use the information that's currently available, put in one place,

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Speaker 7: allow people to be able to compare that information between councils.

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Speaker 7: We're also going to change the law to allow the

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Speaker 7: Secretary of Local Government to request further information such as

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Speaker 7: how much is spending on contractors and consultants, and further

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Speaker 7: reports will highlight issues like that, so that again local

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Speaker 7: voters are around the performance of their local council.

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Speaker 3: Minister, two very quick last questions. Did you consider setting

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Speaker 3: a limit for rate rises?

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Speaker 7: That is one of the areas of work that we're

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Speaker 7: going to make cabinet decisions on in the early new year.

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Speaker 7: We're investigating around a rates pegging scheme similar to what's

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Speaker 7: done in New South Wales, so workers underway on that

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Speaker 7: particular issue.

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Speaker 3: Councilors will say, well, actually, the problem is we don't

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Speaker 3: have the leavers to pull for funding for basics like infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: You know, they want the government GST issues sorted. There's

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of government funding issues they want sorted.

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Speaker 7: First well, the first thing that they needed to focus

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Speaker 7: on is actually focusing on the basics. That's number one. Secondly,

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Speaker 7: we have been working very hard this year to look

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Speaker 7: at how we can support councils around financing long life infrastructure.

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Speaker 7: There's two key changes that have been made local what

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Speaker 7: have done well. It actually allows councils to buy up

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Speaker 7: to five hundred percent against their water revenues, which is

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Speaker 7: about twice their normal debt level to you have to

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Speaker 7: invest in long life water infrastructure and spread those costs

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Speaker 7: over time. Secondly, high growth councils now have an increased

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Speaker 7: debt cap to three hundred and fifty percent for investing

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Speaker 7: in other infrastructure such as roads and unlocking housing. So

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Speaker 7: we've been focused on unlocking those financing tools so that

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Speaker 7: councils can invest in that long life infrastructure. But the

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Speaker 7: first messages focus on the basics and do it brilliantly.

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Speaker 3: Have you had any reports back from that Crown observer

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Speaker 3: in Willington yet?

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Speaker 7: I had the first first report back came over the

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Speaker 7: weekend and ultimately the councils going through its process around

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Speaker 7: its annual plan. You've already highlighted some of the key

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Speaker 7: issues there and that the observers very much engaged in

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Speaker 7: all of those conversations.

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Speaker 3: What was the what was the report? Was it good, bad, ugly?

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Speaker 7: Well, I haven't fully engaged in terms of the detail yet,

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Speaker 7: but what I would say, I've just received it over

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Speaker 7: the weekend. What it is focable from quickly looking at it,

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Speaker 7: it's very much focused at the process making sure that

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Speaker 7: councilors are getting the information. I'd say that observer's very

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Speaker 7: much engaged in all of those conversations and looking at

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Speaker 7: the details. Ultimately, as I said when I announce the observer,

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Speaker 7: the counselors are still responsible for those decisions. And it

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Speaker 7: comes back to this key point. These are local democracy.

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Speaker 7: Local democracy. It's about local voters making these decisions, but

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Speaker 7: we're about making sure the transparent information is there for

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Speaker 7: the public to make up their minds.

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Speaker 3: So me and Brown, Local Government Minister thanks for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen after five GM, FAT has updated its travel advice

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Speaker 3: for Key He's heading to Fiji after an alcohol poisoning

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Speaker 3: scare at a resort there. Seven people who all drank

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Speaker 3: cocktails at the resort have become ill and four of

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Speaker 3: them have been hospitalized. In FAT now telling travelers to

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Speaker 3: Fiji to be aware of the risks around drink spiking

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Speaker 3: and methanol poisoning poisoning. Brent Hell is the CEO of

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Speaker 3: Tourism Fiji. He's with me this evening. Good evening, good evening.

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Speaker 3: How are you, Brent? Not a great headline for you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Do you know about the condition of those who are

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Speaker 3: in hospit spital? No, it's not.

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Speaker 10: It's not a great headline, but certainly there has been

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Speaker 10: some good news today. We've we've had three of the

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Speaker 10: tourists have now been discharged and a returning home, which

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Speaker 10: is great. And the for tourists that are still in

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Speaker 10: hospital are certainly stable and they are responding well to treatment.

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Speaker 10: So you know, from that perspective, we're certainly really pleased

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Speaker 10: that first and foremost that their health is improving.

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Speaker 3: Did the was it drink spikeman? Was it myth and old.

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Speaker 10: You know, well, at this stage, unfortunately we don't know

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Speaker 10: that that. Obviously, we appreciate that the governments have to

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Speaker 10: do what they do, which is, you know, put those

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Speaker 10: warnings out, But until we actually get the detail of

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Speaker 10: the toxicology report, we we don't know for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 10: there's an investigation underway. We've we've done a lot of

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Speaker 10: work with the resort to track back, look at CCTV,

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Speaker 10: investigate the ingredients, et cetera. But we really just can't

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Speaker 10: say for sure what exactly caused these seven tourists in

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Speaker 10: a place that has you know, hundreds of tourists at

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Speaker 10: many different bars, all drinking things like pinicolatas to fall ill.

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Speaker 10: What did they all drink the same type of cocktail

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Speaker 10: they did? Yes, they was a piniccolata, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 10: a very normal rum based cocktail.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: So is there any action being taken against the result

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Speaker 3: at this point or just an investigation? And what about

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Speaker 3: other resorts?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean obviously, as you can imagine, I mean,

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Speaker 10: tourism is so important to Fiji, so everybody is very concerned.

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Speaker 8: We take safety very seriously.

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Speaker 10: We've filled a lot of calls from different resorts you know,

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Speaker 10: asking if we know, you know what ingredients it was,

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Speaker 10: et cetera. We don't know that yet. The resort's been great,

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Speaker 10: they've certainly they're very distressed, but they certainly have been

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Speaker 10: really helpful. You know that the bar person responsible of

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Speaker 10: serving at the time it has been there for sixteen years,

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Speaker 10: you know, as a long standing employee. They've supplied all

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Speaker 10: their ingredients and their CCTV footage.

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Speaker 8: So we're trying to go.

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Speaker 10: Through everything to really get to the bottom of just

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Speaker 10: you know, why this one particular group have fallen Ill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like Brent, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 3: Brent Hell, the CEO of Tourism Fiji. I've actually stayed

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Speaker 3: at that resort where this has all gone down. I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you a little story about that resort later on. Next up. Though,

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Speaker 3: it's sixteen after five. You're on News TALKSB. We're talking

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Speaker 3: to the police about why so many of their offices

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Speaker 3: all randomly went on holiday together to China. It's five eighteen.

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Speaker 3: You're on News TALKSZB. I'm Ryan Bridge. The average Kiwi

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Speaker 3: home uses twice as much data a month as the

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Speaker 3: average Australian home. With sport and gaming driving our biggest

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Speaker 3: traffic spikes. According to Chorus, one of the seventeen biggest

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Speaker 3: spikes this year of the seventeen, I should say, fourteen

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Speaker 3: were driven by updates to the video game Fortnite. Other

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Speaker 3: spikes came from the Mike Tyson Jake Paul fight and

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks game against Japan. Chorus network strategy manager

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Speaker 3: Kurt Rodgers is with me. Good evening, Hey Ryan, how

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Speaker 3: are you good? Thank you Good to have you in

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Speaker 3: the studio. First of all, why do we use more,

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Speaker 3: so much more than the Aussies.

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Speaker 18: Well, a lot of it's to do with better infrastructure

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Speaker 18: here in New Zealand. So you know, we've rolled out

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Speaker 18: a lot of fiber, and fiber is really the key

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Speaker 18: to having good quality broadband at home. The Australians have

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Speaker 18: taken a different path, so they've got multiple technologies, particularly

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Speaker 18: a lot of copper and a lot of wireless technology

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Speaker 18: and it just puts a bit of a constraint. Doesn't

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Speaker 18: have the same capacity as we have in New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: So really a bit of that's about the infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So ours is easier, quicker, faster, therefore we use more

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 18: No constraints, right, Yeah, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, so what about the spikes. How do we manage those?

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Speaker 3: Does it result in cutouts, network cutouts, et cetera.

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00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 18: Well, no, And that's the great thing about fiber infrastructure.

875
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 18: It's a bit like having a digital highway that's got

876
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 18: lots and lots of lanes to add. When things do

877
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 18: happen like live sports streaming, game downloads and in various

878
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 18: things happening in busy time, the fiber network is able

879
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 18: to just expand and handle all of that without really

880
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 18: any impact on your experience.

881
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: What's up with Wykaso, particularly Topiiti and what it was?

882
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Everywhere in maiko To except Hamilton, from what I could see,

883
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: had the largest consumption of anywhere in New Zealand.

884
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 18: Yeh's an interesting thing is, Look, there's a couple of

885
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 18: things going on there. So there's a demographic thing that

886
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 18: plays out that younger generation and also Maldi and Pacific

887
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 18: and Asian communities much more online and are much more

888
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 18: engaged in entertainment and online media. And so you've got

889
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 18: these demographic issues that play out in places like South

890
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 18: Orton and Waikato. But the other specific thing to Waikato

891
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 18: is we've been building a lot of new subdivisions and

892
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 18: a lot of expansion here and it's part of the

893
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 18: Golden Triangle. Huge population growth, and we suspect there's quite

894
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 18: a few people who work in the city but are

895
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 18: choosing to work for that makes sense in these new places,

896
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 18: and that's what we think is particularly driving.

897
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Speaker 3: How much is too much? I mean, we're using thirteen

898
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 3: times more data today than we were ten years ago.

899
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: We at some point going to reach saturation point.

900
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Speaker 18: Well, I think it's just going to keep going, right,

901
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 18: I mean, there's always new things around the corner that

902
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 18: people are wanting to do. As you know, more and

903
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 18: more things that we do offline are moved online, and

904
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Speaker 18: as new technologies come along, I mean, who knows what

905
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 18: virtual reality or artificial intelligence is going to bring to us.

906
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Speaker 18: So we're thinking it's going to keep going and keep growing.

907
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: Are the kids in Australia who aren't using as much

908
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 3: data as we are here in New Zealand better off mentally?

909
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 16: Well, I don't know.

910
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 18: We'll have to talk, We'll have to ask some parents

911
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 18: over there, but they're probably just a bit more frustrated

912
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 18: that the Fortnite game takes a lot longer to download.

913
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: All right, thanks very much, for coming on. That is

914
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: Corus Kurt Rogers with us just gone twenty two after five.

915
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: We will get to the cops in the trip to China.

916
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: After the news, news talks.

917
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Eb Hard questions strong opinion, Ryan Bridge, we had the

918
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: dup see allan drive, where's one New Zealand, let's get

919
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: connected and news talk as'd be.

920
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: So we got some GDP data coming out this week.

921
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: We've got the government op migin it's books and we've

922
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: got a response from the minister about this. And it

923
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: goes a little bit like this. Let's say your old

924
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: man's a gambler, right, He's been spending the family's hard

925
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: earned money down at the pokes. Everybody knows it. But

926
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: he always promises to do the right thing. He promises

927
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Speaker 3: he'll pay it back and he'll balance the books. But

928
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: he never did that. The family accounts kept sinking further

929
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Speaker 3: and further into the red. And though this is not

930
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 3: some kind of ad for problem gambling, don't worry until

931
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: you decide to hand control of the accounts over to mum.

932
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: Now she is much tighter with her spending. She never

933
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: gives out lollies. You reuse the backside of last year's

934
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: one B five textbook No jurusale on the top of

935
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: your books from Mum. Let's call Mum. Nikola. Willis right

936
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: and her job is to get us back in black

937
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: well tomorrow. She is going to push a return to

938
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: surplus out by another year, and she already did that

939
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: last year. She is spending less, yes, than Dad, but

940
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: not by a massive amount. Plus we're not earning enough.

941
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: Uncle David's promised to cut red tape, but all we've

942
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: heard from him is about drinking piss at the hairdresser

943
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: so far. Uncle Chris, what did he promise us? Well

944
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: in FTA with India, But chances of that are more

945
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: mild than hot at this point. Tax cuts haven't kicked

946
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: growth yet. And what about Uncle Don the old neighbor,

947
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: the sunburnt neighbor from next door. He's threatening us with tariffs,

948
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: which could derail the whole damn thing. The thing is,

949
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: we know we'd be bankrupt if Dad was still in charge,

950
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: but we're not quite sure that Mum has us under

951
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: control yet either. Tomorrow we will see how much damage

952
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: has been done and how much longer it'll take to

953
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: balance the books. Until then, we're hopeful, but still a

954
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: bit uncertain and unsure of where things are going from here,

955
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: Brian Bread to five News Talks, you'd we'd love your feedback.

956
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: Nine nine Nichola Willis. By the way, Mum will be

957
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: with us after six this evening, just after six o'clock.

958
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: We look forward to asking her some questions about exactly that.

959
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: Also after the news at five point thirty, Sam Hoyle,

960
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: the Assistant Police Commissioner can't come on. Can you really send? Well,

961
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Speaker 3: they claim they didn't send, but can you really have

962
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: thirty three police officers randomly deciding they all want to

963
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: go at the same time to China on a trip

964
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Speaker 3: that's partly organized by someone associated with the Chinese government

965
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Speaker 3: and not expect to be accused of some kind of

966
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: espionage plot. I don't think you can, but the Assistant

967
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: Police Commissioner thinks you can. He's with us after this.

968
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Speaker 8: Christmas.

969
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on

970
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Speaker 1: Heather duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

971
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: connected and use dog, said Brett.

972
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Speaker 3: Five away through six year on news Talk, said b

973
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: coming up the huddle with Tris Shurson and Joseph Bugani

974
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 3: for a Monday afternoon, some insight and a few giggles,

975
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure right now, though to the serious business. There

976
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: are concerns a number of New Zealand police officers may

977
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: have been the target of Chinese spying while on a

978
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 3: trip to China or October. Police say it was private,

979
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Speaker 3: self funded, but organized by the police's ethnic responses of

980
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: responsive manager and a tour company, a Chinese tour company. Experts,

981
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: including former SAS Minister Andrew Little, have raised serious concerns

982
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: about the trip that included a meeting with a Chinese

983
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Speaker 3: government official. Sam Hoylese, the Assistant Police Commissioner. Good evening,

984
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: Good thanks for being on the show. You said earlier

985
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: today that you were going to check into when he

986
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 3: whether any of them were given gifts on this trip.

987
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: Have you done that and were they?

988
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 19: I have done that, and I can confirm that one

989
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 19: of the buffet meals they had, a fridge magnet was

990
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Speaker 19: left at each of the place mats on the table.

991
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Speaker 19: That's the entire schedule of gifts they received.

992
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: Were any of the flights or accommodation or meals discounted.

993
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Speaker 19: Not at all. Everyone Everyone paid their way. They've paid

994
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 19: their way in full. Jessica, who organized the trip, is

995
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 19: acutely aware of the risks around foreign interference and the

996
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Speaker 19: appearances of that. She made sure that everything was paid

997
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Speaker 19: in full, every meal, every trip, every sid excursion of

998
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Speaker 19: people decided to take them up or step out of

999
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 19: the day's events and go shopping.

1000
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Speaker 3: So you, you as police, you are absolutely confident that

1001
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: none of the flights, none of that, anything that's been

1002
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Speaker 3: paid for and you've checked was discounted. They haven't got

1003
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: any advantage over a fire went on my own.

1004
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 19: No, the only advantage they have on the yougoing on

1005
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 19: joing is that someone else has organized it for them,

1006
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Speaker 19: that Jessica has done the work. Our staff were allowed

1007
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Speaker 19: to travel to China. They are abided by all the

1008
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Speaker 19: PSR Protective Security requirements that are current in New Zealand

1009
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 19: for all of government, not just police. They checked with

1010
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 19: ISG before they traveled. That's our International Services Group. Now

1011
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 19: we have staff full time in Beijing and Hong Kong.

1012
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 19: We worked with the Chinese on policing matters. They did

1013
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 19: all the checks and everything sensible. You expect people were

1014
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 19: there to take a holiday in China if you work

1015
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 19: for the own government.

1016
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Speaker 3: If it was a private holiday. Why was Jessica organizing it?

1017
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Speaker 19: She was organizing it for a colleagues at work.

1018
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: Is that a good use of jestic as time?

1019
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 19: You're making assumption she did it on work time, Bryan,

1020
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 19: Like she did it because she's interested in the exposing

1021
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 19: other places of the cultural experience. You know, for our ethnics,

1022
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 19: liais and staff who work in this space, they are

1023
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 19: acutely aware of the risks. They live this personally and

1024
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 19: professionally all the time, both them and their families. They

1025
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 19: are approached by special interest groups out of a number

1026
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Speaker 19: of countries you know, who have a despo a living

1027
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 19: in booklands, who try and pressure them, get in front

1028
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 19: of them, you know, make them accept their will beal

1029
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 19: on issues. Currently we're talking about China, we could be

1030
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Speaker 19: talking about India or any other number of countries. These

1031
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 19: people who live this space every day every week, both

1032
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 19: personally and professionally, understand the risks.

1033
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: Who was the official they met with?

1034
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Speaker 19: I understand yours a local cultural attache who invited himself

1035
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 19: to the dinner.

1036
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: And what did they talk about?

1037
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Speaker 19: I don't have the de also what that conversation was.

1038
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Speaker 19: I have confidence in people that were there.

1039
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Speaker 2: They are.

1040
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 19: As I say, they lived in this space all the time.

1041
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 19: They know the risk they go into these conversations.

1042
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: Eyes, how did he know that the dinner was happening.

1043
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if this is just a private holiday, I

1044
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: mean it all sound. I mean, I can understand what

1045
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: you say. Look, for God's sakes, Ryan, it's a fridge magnet.

1046
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 3: Get over this. But you do have the former SIS

1047
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: Minister and Andrew Little saying, anybody with a level of influence,

1048
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: knowledge or understanding about New Zealand and New Zealand decision

1049
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: making of politics and institutions, and anyone with access to

1050
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: information or influence China is very interested in He says

1051
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: it would be important for the police hierarchy to take

1052
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: a closer look at the officer's disclosures and the extent

1053
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: of the hospitality they enjoyed at the expense of provincial

1054
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: or Beijing governments during the trip.

1055
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Speaker 19: I read that today in the media somewhere. He's not

1056
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 19: wrong about that that China would have an interest. We

1057
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 19: know they would have an interest. That's why we have

1058
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Speaker 19: the PSO requirements for all of government employees. That's why

1059
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 19: they sorted buy some ISG before we went New Zealand

1060
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Speaker 19: police is not flying to those of usks. We have

1061
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 19: staff who live and work in Beijing and Hong Kong

1062
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 19: who are in that environment all the time. And we

1063
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 19: have our ethnic liais and staff in cities like Auckland

1064
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 19: who live and work in that environment the entire time.

1065
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 19: They're aware of the risks and they are live to

1066
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Speaker 19: that all the time.

1067
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Speaker 3: Did they take their private phones? Did anyone check them

1068
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: on return.

1069
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Speaker 19: They took I can only assume they took their private phones.

1070
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Speaker 19: I do know they left all police electronics behind, which

1071
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 19: is always sensible when you're going away on holiday. And

1072
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Speaker 19: though we are not in the business of checking our

1073
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Speaker 19: staft's private phones when they were turned from holiday.

1074
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Speaker 3: Would you do this type of trip again happily? Well,

1075
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Speaker 3: I guess allow it to to be done again.

1076
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Speaker 19: I would allow staff take leave and travel to China,

1077
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Speaker 19: whether they do it by themselves, where they do it's

1078
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Speaker 19: part of a public tour, Whether they organize another group

1079
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Speaker 19: of police staff to go together. You know, employees out

1080
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Speaker 19: of workplaces organizing trips together is not unheard of, not

1081
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Speaker 19: just in police. I'd expect that probably the PSR requirements,

1082
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 19: I expect that they would speak to IG before they

1083
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 19: travel I'd expect they look at the infant advice on

1084
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 19: the trouble, on the country they intend traveling too, to

1085
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Speaker 19: make sure it's safe. They did all those sensible things.

1086
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Speaker 19: There is no rule anywhere in the New Zealand system

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Speaker 19: that these officers couldn't travel to China.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. What did it cost them? Out of interest?

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Speaker 19: I have seen a couple of I don't want to

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Speaker 19: quote one, I might get it wrong.

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Speaker 3: What roughly it was.

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Speaker 19: Several thousand dollars for eat for each of them per person.

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Speaker 3: A couple of grand to go. How long were they there?

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Speaker 19: I said several thousand dollars A few days, far days

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Speaker 19: or something.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 19: I've seen the itinery like its look like a good itinery.

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Speaker 19: They've visited some amazing sites and museums and gorges and

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Speaker 19: saw some great stuff.

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Speaker 3: And we didn't bring home many spies. No, all right, Sam,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Sam Hoyle, the Assistant Police Commissioner. It is seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand's Tutherbe's International Realty, local and

1105
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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, Trishus and Huston Willis pr and Josie PEGANI child

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Speaker 3: Fund CEO. Good Evening, Good Evening, barking up the wrong tree?

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Speaker 3: What are you reckon through? I mean, you can never

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00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: be too careful, can you? When it comes to China

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Speaker 3: places like that, they have a vested interest in finding

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Speaker 3: out what's going on down here.

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Speaker 20: Who knows what's in the French magnets?

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 21: Well, I think I think it just highlights, doesn't it,

1114
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 21: the sensitivity around China and for any groups going on

1115
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 21: trips like this, the the the issues with perception that

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 21: you might get on the way back, because on the

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 21: one hand, I think, you know, Sam Hoyle explained it

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 21: really well, but then on the other I'm thinking, gosh,

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Speaker 21: it's you know, not many people on their own dime

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Speaker 21: and time would want to go on essentially a work

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Speaker 21: trip encouraging cultural competency on a sort of a strict

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Speaker 21: four day itinery.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it seems odd, doesn't it, Because I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: do that myself.

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Speaker 13: Reflecting on my commitment to.

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Speaker 21: The business and its purpose.

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Speaker 3: Do see there's text coming and saying actually chill out, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: You know these police officers that a lot of them

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Speaker 3: socialize together on their own time, and dime or the regularly.

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Speaker 3: So what's to see here?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and I do think there's a bit of fainting

1132
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 20: couch panic going on here. I mean, let's be clear,

1133
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 20: China is not the enemy of New Zealand. Every country spies.

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Speaker 20: I know there are issues around the way that China

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Speaker 20: functions in other countries and so on. But the thing

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Speaker 20: that confuses me though, is I can't work out whether

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 20: this was a totally personal trip with a bunch of

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Speaker 20: cops who like each other, you know, go to the

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Speaker 20: public with each other, going on a trip to China,

1140
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 20: because it seems a bit weird. And you raise this

1141
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 20: with Sam just now that the police liaison you know,

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00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 20: ethnic liaison person was organizing this trip. Because I think

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 20: it's perfectly valid for cops in New Zealand to go

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 20: to other countries to meet with other cops to you know,

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 20: influence and understand each other, because we work not just

1146
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 20: in Beijing and Hong Kong, but we also work in

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00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 20: the Pacific a lot. I mean, we have a lot

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00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 20: of our cops who go and work in different countries

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00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 20: in the Pacific, and there's a lot of Chinese cops

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 20: in those countries too, So understanding how China works, So

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00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 20: that makes sense to me. It's just that it also

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 20: sounds like, oh no, it was just a lovely tour

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00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 20: and everybody had a nice time, and really for four

1154
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 20: days you all went to China and hung out together

1155
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 20: because your mates.

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Speaker 16: It's a little bit bluerious.

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Speaker 3: I used to live in Beijing and before I left,

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Speaker 3: a friend of mine who works for a defense he said, now,

1159
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: just be careful, and I was like, what do you mean,

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Speaker 3: Just be careful because you never know when you might

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Speaker 3: be approached to try, you know, to trying it. And

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, I've got those state secrets used.

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Speaker 20: Ryan if they were going on a junket to Russia

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Speaker 20: and sort of you know, meeting up with Putin and

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00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 20: Lavrov and having a cup of tea with Basha allah Sad.

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Speaker 20: You know, I think we just have to be careful

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 20: here that China is not the enemy of New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: Whatever complicated relationship we have with China, we're not at

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00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 20: war with them. They're not the enemy, so you know,

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01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 20: maybe just take a chill pill everybody.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they're the hand that feeds us. Josie, thank

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Speaker 3: you for that. And Trish will be back with the

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Speaker 3: Huddle in just a second.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty Elevate the

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01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: Trish Huston, Hirson Wills, PR Josie Bagani, the Child Fund,

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Speaker 3: the CEO on the huddle this evening. So many people

1178
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Speaker 3: are texting in about the magnets that our coscott from

1179
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: the Chinese saying well get rid of the French mags.

1180
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: Someone said, what Ryan is going to interview the god

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Speaker 3: the contemn fridge pegnits well.

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Speaker 21: Scanner.

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 22: You never know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird gift.

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01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 20: It is a weird, shitty gift actually, but yeah, needless

1186
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 20: to say, it's a bit weird.

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Speaker 3: Don't tell the Chinese that, all right. The government said,

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01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: having another crack at the councils. They are looking at

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Speaker 3: raped pegging the rates of councils local councils next year.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime they're saying basically stick to the base.

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's as missus they've said before Trish. But

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Speaker 3: still Wellington councils doing the Golden mile and putting lates up.

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01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: So it is the message getting through, well.

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Speaker 21: Well, this is probably exactly why Simmy and Brown in

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 21: this package today they are actually moving to legislate for

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 21: this stuff, so the councilors will have no choice but

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Speaker 21: to listen. You know, I thought it was interesting I

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01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 21: heard this morning Heather actually talking about, you know, the

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Speaker 21: packers number one minister for the year, and she came

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Speaker 21: up with it was a race between Simon and Erica,

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01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 21: Simmy and Brown and Erica Stanford. Simeon then comes in

1202
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Speaker 21: today with this, which is in some senses what Erica

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Speaker 21: has done in education. Think about what she's doing there.

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Speaker 21: Everyone back to back to basics and do the basics brilliantly.

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Speaker 21: So it's the same kind of mantra applied. I thought

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Speaker 21: there was some really good stuff in this. First of all,

1207
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 21: it's going to be really reigning in councils and saying

1208
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 21: you have to do what you are actually supposed to

1209
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 21: be doing with rate payer money, ie fixing the roads,

1210
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 21: making sure we've got water, making sure the rubbish is

1211
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 21: taking away all of that great stuff. But the other

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01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 21: thing that I really like in this is that every

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 21: year there will be a report produced where as a

1214
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Speaker 21: rate payer in Auckland, I can see, oh how many

1215
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 21: how much rate how much in rates am I paying

1216
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 21: compared to someone on the same size site in Wellington?

1217
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 21: And you can also see whether your council is spending

1218
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 21: the right money on you know, if they're taking out

1219
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 21: debt and things like that. It will be great transparency

1220
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 21: around that. I'm all about it and I love that

1221
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 21: it's going to be out before the local government elections.

1222
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Speaker 3: Josie, do people listen to this stuff? Will they go

1223
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: up on the DIA website and read these comparisons between

1224
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: the councils and is it going you know? And thereby

1225
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: will we fix our problem with local government?

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Speaker 20: No, no one will read it, but we will, Ryan,

1227
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 20: and we'll all draw attention to it and try and

1228
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 20: communicate it in layman's language. Look, I think there's one

1229
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 20: thing here which is really good. We've had years of

1230
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 20: you know, well being, frameworks, pillars. You know, the minute

1231
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 20: I hear the word frameworks or a pillar us you

1232
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 20: just you feel like taking a sleeping pill and you know,

1233
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 20: just going to bed. But we've had well being, we've

1234
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 20: had circular economy, we've had donor economics. I mean, each

1235
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 20: of those words means something on their own, but together

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01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 20: it's basically meaningless and it's like we've been run by

1237
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 20: people who speak English as a second language for too long.

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Speaker 20: So you know, that's good to get back to basics

1239
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 20: and start talking about, you know, the pipes and the

1240
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 20: potholes and basic council services, because this kind of everything

1241
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 20: Bagel approach to policy, whether local or national, has you

1242
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 20: end up with so many multiple targets. You know, you're

1243
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 20: trying to build social housing, but you've got to put

1244
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 20: solar panels on it, and you've got to create jobs,

1245
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 20: and you've got to do it environmentally friendly and so

1246
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 20: on and so on, and so you actually slow everything down.

1247
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 20: The thing that worries me about this though, and I'm

1248
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 20: supportive of the back to basics, but I think you

1249
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 20: also need counsels, and I support a kind of devolving

1250
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 20: more to local councils. If they're doing the job well,

1251
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 20: then I want them to look at doing social housing.

1252
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 20: I want local communities to work out where to put

1253
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 20: the houses, how to deal with problem issues in that community.

1254
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 20: They know where the problem families are, they know where

1255
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 20: the issues in that community are, So you know, I

1256
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 20: do think we want to devolve stuff that local people

1257
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 20: are better at fixing. Two local councils two EUIs whatever.

1258
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 20: I also think in the case of Wellington, my god,

1259
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 20: we need we need some vision around economic development in Wellington.

1260
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 20: And that's not really a back to basics thing, but

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Speaker 20: it's something absolutely critical.

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Speaker 3: If they could spell it economic for a start, I

1263
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: think we'd be getting somewhere. We have to leave it there, guys,

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Speaker 3: everybody gets a fridge magnet for a coming tonight. Thank you, wonderful,

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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: Thank you, someone says, Chris says, councils are already pegging ratepayers.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Chris, Thank you, josephmcgarney, Thank you to Huson

1267
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Speaker 3: news talks, ev or.

1268
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: Blue Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states?

1269
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Speaker 1: The latest on the US election. It's Heather Duplicy Alan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected use talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be.

1272
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Speaker 3: I promised you I tell you the story about the

1273
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: Warwick Resort, which is on the Coral Coast where the

1274
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: alcohol poisonings have allegedly happened in Fiji. I stayed there

1275
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, now maybe last year. Anyway,

1276
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: beautiful place. Everyone's wearing their resort where you know the

1277
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: ladies have got their fancy hats on and everyone's drinking

1278
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 3: champagne and having cocktails. Anyway, beautiful day. We're all sitting

1279
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: on the balcony, music like this, probably playing Sun's Out,

1280
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you hear from the Australians fight, Fight, Fight,

1281
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: And I looked over and I'm not kidding you. There

1282
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 3: was a massive brawl by the pool side. You've got

1283
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: a bunch of Canterbury dudes and you've got some far

1284
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: North Queensland trades going hammer and tongs punching each other.

1285
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: One poor woman got punched in the head. The only

1286
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: thing that stopped this and everyone was, oh my gosh,

1287
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: this is ghastly. I'm spinning my champagne. The only thing

1288
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: that stopped it was the giant fig and chiefs came

1289
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Speaker 3: out of the kitchen. So there you go. That's TG.

1290
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Speaker 1: Keeping frag of where the money is glowing. For the

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my Hr on News TALKSBB.

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Speaker 3: Good evening seven after six News Talks ZBB. Great to

1293
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: have your company this evening. Nichola Willis is the Finance

1294
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Speaker 3: Minister and a big day tomorrow. The half yarly economic

1295
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Speaker 3: and physcal update from the Treasury will tell us basically

1296
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Speaker 3: the state of the books and how New Zealand's accounts

1297
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Speaker 3: are looking going forward, and the government will respond in

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Speaker 3: a budget policy statement led by Niicola Willis, who's with

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Speaker 3: me this evening, Good evening, Minister, good evening, Ryan. Not

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Speaker 3: going to be good news tomorrow.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think everyone knows that the government has inherited

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Speaker 12: very challenging economic conditions and that is being reflected in

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Speaker 12: the books as the try Treasury unwind their overly optimistic

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Speaker 12: forecasts from a couple.

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Speaker 11: Of years ago.

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Speaker 12: So tomorrow the Treasury will share their updated forecasts and

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Speaker 12: we will share our response to that. I think what

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Speaker 12: we've been consistent in saying is this is a time

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Speaker 12: we need to be very careful with how we spend

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Speaker 12: New zealanders money. And what we know is that things

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Speaker 12: would be a lot worse if we'd continued with the

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Speaker 12: spending track we inherited from the last government.

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Speaker 3: How can you trust their overly optimistic forecasts.

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Speaker 12: Well, what the Treasury have been doing since a couple

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Speaker 12: of years ago is revising some of the assumptions they

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Speaker 12: made after COVID. There's two key things. One, they thought

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Speaker 12: that we'd come out of the current recession earlier and

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Speaker 12: more vigorously than we have. And the second is that

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Speaker 12: they read into a bit of a bounce back and

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Speaker 12: productivity and tax to GDP, extrapolated that forward, and they've

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Speaker 12: then been wressively having to unwind that. So the books

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Speaker 12: that we're seeing now have actually always been the case.

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Speaker 12: It's just that Treasury prior to the election was being

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Speaker 12: overly optimistic in the forecasts that they shared.

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Speaker 3: Do you trust Treasury's predictions now?

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Speaker 12: Look, I do. Forecasts are forecasts, they move up and down.

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Speaker 12: There's all sorts of factors that can impact them. But

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Speaker 12: do I think that Treasury do all of the things

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Speaker 12: that they should be expected to do when you're doing

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Speaker 12: the forecasting.

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 12: Does that mean we should test some of the assumptions,

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Speaker 12: look at them, compare them with other updates from the

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Speaker 12: Reserve Bank and others. Yes, of course we should do

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Speaker 12: that too.

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Speaker 3: You were brutal on Grant Robertson for delaying surplus, delaying surplus,

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Speaker 3: delaying surplus. You're going to again delay surplus? Are you

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Speaker 3: embarrassed by that?

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Speaker 12: Not at all. I was brutal on Grant Robertson because

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Speaker 12: despite their being escalating inflation, he decided to put his

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Speaker 12: foot down on the spending accelerator. You know, in Budget

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Speaker 12: twenty two he committed more than nine billion dollars of

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Speaker 12: additional spending every year, even while inflation was through the roof.

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Speaker 12: What we said we do was bring restraint back. We

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Speaker 12: have and what I know beyond a shadow of a

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Speaker 12: doubt is if we continued the approach of the last

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Speaker 12: government was reckless spending, the economy would be in worse

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Speaker 12: shape right now, New Zealanders would be in worse shape

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Speaker 12: and the books would be dreadful.

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Speaker 3: Your delaying surplus again, will you commit to it? And

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Speaker 3: which means we're not going to get back to surplus

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Speaker 3: within your first term. Will you even promise to get

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Speaker 3: back to surplus in your second?

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Speaker 12: Well, you're getting a bit ahead of yourself, Ryan, because

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Speaker 12: the updates will be delivered tomorrow and I will comment

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Speaker 12: in detail on those there. The government has had a

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Speaker 12: range of short term fiscal intentions and long term objectives,

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Speaker 12: and we remain committed to the task we've set for ourselves,

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Speaker 12: which is getting the books back in balance, getting getting

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Speaker 12: spending as a proportion.

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Speaker 3: You're committed to surplus, as.

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Speaker 12: Is getting the books back and balance as a driving

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Speaker 12: goal for this government.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to change the d Are you considering

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Speaker 3: changing the date by which you return the books to surplus?

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Speaker 12: At the budget last year we indicated that we were

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Speaker 12: looking at the indicators used to describe what's known as

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Speaker 12: the operating balance colloquially referred to as the surplus that

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Speaker 12: has been measured a number of different ways over the years,

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Speaker 12: and we wanted to look at how it's currently made up,

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Speaker 12: particularly examining the role of self funded Crown entities including

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Speaker 12: acc who will have short term fluctuations but remain long

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Speaker 12: term funded. And so we'll be announcing the results of

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Speaker 12: that review tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: And there's not going to be any as Aischaviral puts it,

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Speaker 3: book cookery going on here.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely not. It's actually in our interests to be as

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Speaker 12: open and transparent with New Zealanders as we can about

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Speaker 12: the state that New Zealand's finances are in, because what

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Speaker 12: this is about is how we can live within our

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Speaker 12: means and how we can ensure that we keep delivering

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Speaker 12: the frontline services that people deserve, that we're not over

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Speaker 12: taxing people, and that we're not labeling the next generation

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Speaker 12: with excessive levels of debt. So we want New Zealanders

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Speaker 12: to understand the true size of the predicament we have inherited,

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Speaker 12: and we want them to have confidence that we are

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Speaker 12: managing through that effectively.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we just want to understand what you're saying. Are

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Speaker 3: you saying that you will not delay the surplus but

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Speaker 3: rather allow Crown companies to take on more debt?

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Speaker 12: Is that No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm

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Speaker 12: saying is that tomorrow I'll give you an update on

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Speaker 12: the forecasts across arrange of indicators, and I will also

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Speaker 12: give an update on our review of the Crown Operating

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Speaker 12: Balance measure.

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Speaker 3: You've got no FTA Withindia in sight, Seymore's red tape

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Speaker 3: seems to be looking at boos at hairdressers. Thus far,

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Speaker 3: tax cuts haven't boosted growth, Productivity is a bit buggered,

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Speaker 3: potentially another delayed surplus, and we haven't even taken into

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Speaker 3: account Trump's tariffs yet. Things looking less rosy than you

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Speaker 3: would have hoped.

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Speaker 12: We have a government that is taking every step it

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Speaker 12: can to lean towards growth now, whether that's the fast

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Speaker 12: track legislation getting big developments through, whether that's rewriting the

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Speaker 12: Resource Management Act, so it's easier to build houses, getting

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Speaker 12: rid of some of the red tape in the Building Act,

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Speaker 12: whether that's the free trade agreements we've struck with the

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Speaker 12: UAE and the GCC, whether that's our commitment to saying

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Speaker 12: yes to more inward bound international investment, upskilling kids so

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Speaker 12: they're not leaving school unable to read, write and do maths,

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Speaker 12: making sure our science system is more commercially plausible. All

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Speaker 12: of these initiatives are about improving the productive capacity of

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Speaker 12: the New Zealand economy. Now, no one promised that overnight

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Speaker 12: everything would be fixed, but we did promise that every

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Speaker 12: week we're in office, we will do things to make

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Speaker 12: this economy go faster, and we've been working at pace.

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Speaker 3: You said last week that you were putting the banks

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Speaker 3: on notice that the big Australian owned banks should be

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Speaker 3: listening to what you were saying, that they should be

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Speaker 3: changing their behavior. Have a listening.

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Speaker 12: We're putting the major banks on notice. We expect them

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Speaker 12: to act on the Commerce Commission's recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Have any of them got in touch with you since then?

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Speaker 3: Come with their tail between their legs?

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Speaker 12: No, but I have noted the public statements of a

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Speaker 12: few have said and assured us that they're getting on

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Speaker 12: with it. That's what we need to see. I will

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Speaker 12: judge them by their actions, not their words. I want

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Speaker 12: to see switching services improved. I want to see open

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Speaker 12: banking accelerated. I want to see it easier for New

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Speaker 12: Zealanders to compare the terms of their home loans. I

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Speaker 12: want there to be easier access to bank accounts than

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Speaker 12: banking services for many people. So those are the tangible

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Speaker 12: actions we expect to see. And as I said last week,

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Speaker 12: they are on notice. They should get on with it.

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Speaker 3: Will you resign if you don't get those results.

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Speaker 12: I've long since departed from the idea of throwing a

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Speaker 12: resignation around. It's up to the banks to do their bit,

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Speaker 12: and as a government, we've been clear if they don't

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Speaker 12: do their bit, then we are prepared to regulate or

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Speaker 12: to use the other policy tools we have at our disposal.

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Speaker 12: Because it's not actually about me, is it, Ryan. It's

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01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 12: about Keiwi getting a fair deal from their bank. The

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01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 12: banks shouldn't be taking us for a ride. We've had

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Speaker 12: the comments. Commission report says it's not competitive, it says

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 12: there's things they can do to make it fairer they

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Speaker 12: should do it.

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Speaker 3: The problem is that you're not the first politician to

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01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: say that you're going to rain the banks in and

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Speaker 3: you're going to change their behavior. The banks keep laughing

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Speaker 3: from Sydney. Nothing changes. So we ask the politicians for

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 3: a bit of a guarantee to make sure that they're

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01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 3: a man of their word.

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Speaker 12: I'll guarantee I keep taking action. I've already taken significant

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Speaker 12: actions that the last government didn't. I've got a financial

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Speaker 12: policy remit which puts the emphasis back on competition for

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Speaker 12: the way the Reserve Bank does its job. I've made

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Speaker 12: very clear my expectations to the Reserve Bank that I

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01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 12: want them to be looking at who can use the

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Speaker 12: word bank, the capital requirements for being a bank, access

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Speaker 12: to the exchange settlement system. I've also laid out our

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Speaker 12: plans to ensure Keywi Bank can get the capital it

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Speaker 12: needs to grow. And I'm monitoring this much more closely

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Speaker 12: than preview governments have. And I've put the banks on notice,

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Speaker 12: so you'll keep seeing action from us in this space.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on. Talk about revenue. Would you rule

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Speaker 3: out any new revenue measures to try and balance the books.

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Speaker 12: My first port of call is getting spending under control,

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Speaker 12: because when you look at what happened to the books

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Speaker 12: over recent years, the big thing that changed was the

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Speaker 12: amount of government spending is a proportion of the economy.

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Speaker 12: It leapt to levels well beyond what had been seen historically,

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Speaker 12: and we want to bend that back down and have

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Speaker 12: already delivered more than twenty three billion dollars of savings

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Speaker 12: towards that goal. I want to keep doing that because

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Speaker 12: we have to get our house and order on the

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Speaker 12: spending front. You can't just keep treating Kiwis like an ATM.

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Speaker 12: At the same time, I've been careful not to rule

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Speaker 12: out revenue measures in particular because we need to make

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Speaker 12: sure that the tax system is fear and has integrity,

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Speaker 12: and that's where we're looking in the charities area, for example.

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Speaker 12: But also because we acknowledge to meet the infrastructure deficit

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Speaker 12: New Zealand now faces, there will be new revenue tools needed,

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Speaker 12: and you saw, for example, Simon Brown announcing tolling measures

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Speaker 12: last week. We are continuing to think about how we

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Speaker 12: fund infrastructure and that will involve in your revenue measures.

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Speaker 3: Other than tolling, Yes.

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Speaker 12: Potentially value capture tools and other tools that are used

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Speaker 12: in other jurisdictions around the world.

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Speaker 3: We are the tools well.

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Speaker 12: Value capture, for example, is about saying, if a really

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Speaker 12: extraordinary motorway gets built by your piece of land, and

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Speaker 12: suddenly your piece of land goes up considerably in value

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Speaker 12: because it's a great place to build houses, then we

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Speaker 12: might look at how we could get some of that

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Speaker 12: upside game as a revenue source.

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Speaker 3: All right, big day for you tomorrow, So I won't

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Speaker 3: keep you. We might actually see you back on the

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Speaker 3: show tomorrow. But if we don't, what have you got

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Speaker 3: plans for summer? A break of some type. I hope, yeah,

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Speaker 3: look I do.

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Speaker 12: I'm really looking forward to having Christmas with my family,

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 12: my brother and sister, and then we take our kids

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Speaker 12: to a little beach where they do surf life staying

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Speaker 12: and we geekily read books and do puzzles and maybe

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Speaker 12: hea a G and T or two. And I just

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Speaker 12: can't wait to spend some time with the but spend

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Speaker 12: some time with the kids, then with my husband. It's

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Speaker 12: going to be great.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely well deserved. Nicola, thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: being Hopefully you don't have to get the ferry there.

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Speaker 3: Don't answer, don't answer. Lovely to have you on the program,

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Speaker 3: as always, take here and we might see tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis, who's the Finance Minister. Just gone eighteen after

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Speaker 3: six News Talk.

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Speaker 1: SIB analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: to know on the US election. It's the Business Hour

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr Ehr Solution for

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01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: busy SMEs used talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one minutes after six on News Talks. It'd be

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01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 3: lots of feedback coming in from Nicola Willis, the Finance

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 3: Minister to the Nicola Willison Interview with the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 3: I should say, Ryan, did the media ever question labor

1525
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 3: like this? Yes we did, some of us did. I

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01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: won't say all of us did, because there certainly are

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Speaker 3: people who don't do that, but yes, absolutely, particularly Grant

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01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: Robertson when he was spending like a you know, kid

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Speaker 3: at a candy store.

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Speaker 2: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: I like Nikola Willis, but she needs to learn how

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01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: to answer a question directly and in two to three sentences,

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01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: not twenty three sentences. Yeah, I know what you mean,

1534
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 3: but sometimes it's a complicated business running a running the

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 3: finance ministry. I would imagine, Ryan, what are you eating?

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that's. Sorry, I didn't mean to

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01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: read that. I don't know where that came from. I'm

1538
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 3: not eating anything. Do you mean in general? Do you

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01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 3: mean right now?

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: Right now?

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: I'm not eating a thing generally. I'm eating a lot

1542
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 3: of protein at the moment, actually trying to spread for summer.

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 3: I'm doing too my trying to do much of my waistline.

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Speaker 3: What Nichola Willis is doing to the government box and

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: that is just hack fat out of it, Ryan in nonsense. Oh,

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01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 3: this is about different issue that we were talking about earlier. Yeah,

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 3: it's interesting, isn't it, Because she's got a very difficult job.

1548
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 3: The government books were left highest government spending ever, Government

1549
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 3: debt to GDP blown out, in fact, doubled, and you've

1550
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 3: got the job of trying to rain it all in.

1551
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 3: Plus you've got umpting different spending priorities. Someone else is

1552
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: saying it sounds like I'm eating. I'm not eating anything.

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm trying to do the opposite. And do

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 3: I sound like I'm eating.

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01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 11: I'm coming to that studio and I'm going to search

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01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 11: for crumbs when we hit the ad breakat.

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01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 3: Thing I'm starving is what I am anyway, all right,

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01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: twenty three minutes after six. Lots want to come on

1559
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 3: these talksb.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my HR The

1562
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: HR Solution for Busy smys on News Talk ZB.

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: Twenty five after six. Shane Solly with US harbor Asset Management. Shane,

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 3: Good evening, Cure right, good to have you on. As

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01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 3: we head into the end of the year. How has

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: the year been for investors in your view?

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Speaker 23: Oh, look, it's a great question, race, Ryan. It's actually

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01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 23: been a good year. It's been all about inflation coming down,

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01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 23: which has allowed central banks to cut these official interest rates.

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Speaker 23: But it's actually been pretty challenging for to deal with

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 23: things like wars and some pretty meaningful elections. Ryan, it's

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 23: really changed sentiment. But yeah, we've certainly seen bond years

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 23: lower in a strong year for global share returns, particularly

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 23: the US market up over twenty eight percent, usalan share

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 23: market don't okay up eight percent, and some of the

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01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 23: more speculative assets like crypto and goal they've had sort

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01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 23: of all time high level. So yeh, it's been a

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01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 23: pretty good year.

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Speaker 3: Government announced last week and we covered this the changes

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01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 3: that are going to come to regulatory changes that will

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: give key WE saver providers the chance to invest in

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01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 3: private assets. Do you think that we will see lots

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01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: of that happening.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, a really really good point.

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Speaker 23: So you come back to you know, why does this

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Speaker 23: legislation change or regulation change count Because at the moment,

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Speaker 23: as a KEYV saber provider, if you come say I

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01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 23: want to change provider, I have to liquidate all the

1589
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 23: assets so that you can move your funds to another location.

1590
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 23: That's hard to do with private assets. So this new

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 23: proposed regulation of our side pocketing, so it means those

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01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 23: and bits are less liquid private assitts. They can be

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 23: treated separately when you change from keysavers. So I think

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01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 23: it will open up the opportunities. It'll take some time.

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 23: We've got a lot of water to run under the

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01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,839
Speaker 23: bridge in terms of you know, what is the regulation,

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 23: But yeah, I think it's a it's a good start point.

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01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 23: It's an important move for QV savers and for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Over time.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean we could see keV saver funds investing

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Speaker 3: in k WE Bank all the ferries.

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Speaker 23: Look, I think it's possible. You know, we are seeing

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 23: you know, it depends about the quality and investments and

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 23: the price of those assets. The key thing here is

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 23: it opens up a new pipeline of opportunities to grow

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 23: qv savers. Well, remember that's three and a half million

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Speaker 23: keyser a q servis. It's really crucially growing there. Well,

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01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 23: so yeah, i Q we savers or if Chemi bank

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Speaker 23: stacks up, then there'll be a good advertise and yes,

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01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 23: maybe even the enter island theories if the right frame.

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Speaker 23: There is a little way to go there though.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say we've.

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Speaker 3: Kicked off the week with some new data, some economic data.

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Speaker 3: Are you seeing any green shoots there?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Look, it was an interesting day, a bit of

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01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 23: a mix. Some inflation data continue to slow, which allows

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01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 23: the Reserve Bank and Zeland to continue to cut. And

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 23: we've seen a little bit of improvement and business sentiment

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01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 23: for Kivi households is where it really matters. Food prices

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01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 23: were down for them to Devember month, down minus one

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01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 23: percent versus the previous month. And residential rents were out

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01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 23: er point two of a percent. It sounds like, man,

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01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 23: well that's not down, it's actually slowing from where it

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 23: was so again taking pressure off. But the interesting thing

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01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 23: was we saw another lift in business sentiment in terms

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01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 23: of the New Zealand Performance of Services Index. Now that

1627
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 23: is an index that measures confidence from service providers. If

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 23: it's above fifty, that means they're growing expanding. If it's

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01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 23: below fifty then they're contracting. It was forty nine point five.

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01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 23: It was almost expanded up from forty six point two

1631
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 23: last month, so hitting in the right direction. But you know,

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01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 23: our friends from the economists, the ins of ther inside

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01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 23: I should say, did a Carly server economists and he's

1634
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 23: an economists. They're expecting mil growth for twenty four to

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01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 23: twenty five, so they're still about beerish hard to get

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01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 23: them excited.

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 3: There, Shane, thank you for that. Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty nine minutes after six News Talks. It'b

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01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: we're live to London and talking business team Green Architects

1640
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: after the news.

1641
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: Love mees crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour thanks to my

1643
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy Smmy's on News Talks IB.

1644
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 3: Twenty three away from seven year on News Talks. The NTTNYA,

1645
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: who're not wasting any time after the fall of their

1646
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 3: sad regime over in Syria. So the Goland Heights separate

1647
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: Israel from Syria, and obviously Israel took control of that

1648
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 3: sea's control of that in the Sixth Day War and

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01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 3: since then has had a settlement of about twenty thousand

1650
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: Israelis in there. Now, what they are doing this is

1651
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Netanya who etal. What they are planning is to double

1652
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 3: the size, double the population of Israelis who are living

1653
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 3: in the Goland Heights. There's also about twenty thousand Syrians

1654
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 3: who are living there. And NTTNYA who says, oh no,

1655
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: there's nothing, don't worry too much about this. We're just

1656
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 3: you know, making hay, basically making hay while the sun shines,

1657
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 3: while there is a lack of resistance. And they say

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 3: that because you have Islamist rebels on the border, we

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01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: are justified in doing this. Well, the Union doesn't really

1660
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 3: think so, thank you very much. Neither did the new

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01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: Syrian rebel alliance that is leading are about to start

1662
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: leading Syria. It is considered illegally occupied. But na who

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01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 3: wants to double the population, and that's what he exactly

1664
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 3: what he intends to do. It's twenty two away from

1665
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: seven Bryan Bridge. If you followed the news in the

1666
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 3: last couple of decades, you'll know we've had real problems

1667
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: in this country with houses that are too cold in

1668
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 3: the winter. Well it looks like you can't quite catch

1669
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 3: a break. Now we've got townhouses that are too hot

1670
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 3: in the summer, and these are new townhouses. A renter

1671
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: in christ Church says the temperature in his bedroom has

1672
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: reached fifty degrees celsius a few times this month. Can

1673
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:40,480
Speaker 3: you imagine. Sean Taylor is the owner of Team Green Architects,

1674
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 3: and she's with me to explain how this could be happening. Sean,

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Hi, thank you for being with me.

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 3: Why are we having this problem? What is it that

1677
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 3: we're doing wrong.

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 22: That It's hard to say, but I think it's a

1679
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 22: combination of that being more and more houses being built,

1680
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 22: which is something that we need because we need to

1681
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 22: densify our cities, and this is happening quite quickly. But

1682
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 22: often they're being built with large walls of glazing, and

1683
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 22: if you have large large walls of glass facing anywhere

1684
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 22: but sat, they're basically going to overheat if they're not

1685
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:21,520
Speaker 22: shaded externally.

1686
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: So is it's nothing to do with insulation. We're not

1687
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 3: over insulating to try and compensate for the winter and

1688
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 3: then having the opposite effect in summer.

1689
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 22: No, it's nothing to do with that.

1690
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 10: That's a really.

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01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 22: That's been a misconception that's come out recently. It's something

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01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 22: that I've heard and Minister talk about, and it's completely false.

1693
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 22: I live in a house that's as highly insulated as

1694
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 22: it could possibly be. It's a passive house, and it

1695
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 22: basically stays the same temperature throughout the year, within a

1696
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 22: really good temperature range, and when we're basically lovying col

1697
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 22: in the summer and lovely and warm in the winter.

1698
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: So the problem is big windows.

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01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 8: The problem is big.

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,879
Speaker 22: Windows that are not externally shaded. So if you're designing

1701
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 22: in a way that you're basically creating a greenhouse, which

1702
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 22: is what's happening, because we're getting all these townhouses which

1703
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 22: might be sort of muldiple townhouses in a row that

1704
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 22: could be two or three stories high with lots of glass,

1705
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 22: and then they're not probably ventilated, so the windows don't

1706
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 22: open very much, and often they might just have one

1707
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 22: air conditioning unit on the ground floor and there's no

1708
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,919
Speaker 22: external shades at all, and they just overheat.

1709
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:44,440
Speaker 3: We want the views, don't we Yeah, and with the windows,

1710
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 3: I mean, because they're second third floor. There's these weird rules,

1711
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,799
Speaker 3: aren't they. You know, window can only open like a crack.

1712
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 22: Yes, well, look it is it is. It isn't a

1713
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 22: weird rule. It's basically for safety. So if you have

1714
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 22: a window that's all the way to the floor, you

1715
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 22: don't want it opening that much. But essentially you still

1716
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 22: need to design in such a way that you're not

1717
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 22: bringing that heat in because what also happens is then

1718
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 22: if you pull down, say black blinds on the inside,

1719
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 22: you actually trap that heat. So you bring the heat

1720
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 22: into the building through the glass and then trap it

1721
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 22: behind the blind and you can't get rid of it.

1722
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 22: So as soon as you incorporate something like air conditioning,

1723
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 22: it just fights it, but it doesn't actually stop the

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Speaker 22: building overheating.

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Speaker 3: So what should we do then if we're living in

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Speaker 3: one of these hot boxes?

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Speaker 22: Well, I personally think we firstly we need to change

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Speaker 22: the building code, which doesn't resolve the people who've already

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Speaker 22: living in one, which is not great, but it does

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Speaker 22: stop things happening in the future because the way that

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Speaker 22: we're doing this, there's nothing in the building code to

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Speaker 22: basically say, are you creating a comfortable internal invite? So

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Speaker 22: building can just be designed to either be too hot

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Speaker 22: or too cold, and that's that's what's been happening. And

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Speaker 22: insulation levels have gone up recently, which means that we've

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Speaker 22: stopped them being too cold, but we're not doing anything

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Speaker 22: to stop them being too hot because there's nothing to

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Speaker 22: stop us doing that in the in the building code.

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Speaker 3: So we actually need a limit at the other end

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Speaker 3: of the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 22: I look personally, I think we should be energy modeling

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Speaker 22: all of our buildings to show if they're going to

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Speaker 22: be suitable for human habitation, which they're not. If they're

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Speaker 22: hitting like fifty degrees, they're not definitely not comfortable. They

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Speaker 22: no one should be living in them.

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Speaker 3: Should we Can we just put shutterss on the outside

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Speaker 3: like they do.

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Speaker 22: Yes, that that is definitely the best way to go.

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Speaker 22: And and you know, if you travel anywhere in Europe,

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Speaker 22: you've basically got shutters and on almost every building. And

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01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 22: you know the Romans new added design to avoid too

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01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 22: much sun. So did the Greeks. It's not new, it's

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Speaker 22: just it's actually comes down to really simple passive principles

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Speaker 22: and it doesn't cost anything. You just need to design

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Speaker 22: to stop the heat coming in when it's too hot.

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Speaker 3: Sean, thank you very much for that. Really interesting to

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Speaker 3: see how thick we've become. Sean Taylor, owner of Team

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Speaker 3: Green Architects, is been amazing what you learn and then unlearned.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen away from seven, News TALKSBB.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen away from seven. I can tell you

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Speaker 3: that the black Caps are four hundred and fifty three

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Speaker 3: for nine and Tim Salvey has just gotten out. He's

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Speaker 3: just been bold and that is his final time playing

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Speaker 3: for the black Caps. So very sad for him to

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Speaker 3: have his career over, but he will be remembered fondly

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Speaker 3: by all of the Black Cats fans, many of whom

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Speaker 3: are still there watching in the sunshine. It has just

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Speaker 3: gone now fourteen away from seven on News Talks HERE'B

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Speaker 3: and stuff is reporting about the fairies they've got themselves

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Speaker 3: a copy of the leaked report. This is authored by

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Speaker 3: the Ministerial Advisory Group. This is the group that informed

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Speaker 3: the ministers who made the big calls last week about

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Speaker 3: the fairies. Right, so they've given them a list of

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Speaker 3: fairy replacement options. The cheapest and remember it was about

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Speaker 3: a half a billion bucks for the two fairies that

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Speaker 3: we originally bought, which were big ones. Two hundred and

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 3: eighty two million dollars per ship is what they've been

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Speaker 3: quoted in this Ministers were advised they should operate on

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01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 3: their default position based on market soundings. Two new ships

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Speaker 3: can be procured and delivered by the end of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty seven. Now we were told twenty twenty nine last week.

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Speaker 3: But maybe they're giving themselves some regal room, which would

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01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 3: be a smart thing to do. They also say that

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Speaker 3: they're concerned about the risk of missing out on some

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Speaker 3: options due to delays but caused by Kiwi rail work

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Speaker 3: to settle acclaim with Yonda. In other words, the fee

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Speaker 3: the break feed that we're having to wrangle the Koreans

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Speaker 3: over may delay us purchasing new ships, which could of

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01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 3: course cause problems for us down the line. There's also

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Speaker 3: concerned about the ARDITORI and how on that thing's going

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Speaker 3: to hold up. So lots to get through, twelve minutes

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Speaker 3: away from seven raien Bridge, and we're going to Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray are UK correspondent who's standing by in the UK

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Speaker 3: for Uskevin, welcome to the show. Israel will close its

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Speaker 3: embassies in Dublin. What's this about?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Rah, that's right.

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Speaker 13: So Israel saying they're going to close the embassy because

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Speaker 13: of quote, the extreme anti Israel policies of the Irish government.

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Speaker 13: According to the Foreign Minister, they said the Israel for us,

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Speaker 13: the Republic of Ireland has crossed quote every red line

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Speaker 13: and it's really furious because it's recalled that Ireland has

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Speaker 13: and it quotes a unilateral decision to recognize a Palestine

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Speaker 13: in state.

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Speaker 3: And it goes on as.

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Speaker 13: Well with fury that Ireland announced its support for South

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Speaker 13: Africa's legal action against Israel in the International Court of

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Speaker 13: Justice accusing Israel of genocide. So some really really strong words.

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Speaker 13: I think you can almost see in that statement the

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Speaker 13: anger that Israel is feeling. The closure now of the

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Speaker 13: embassy in Dublin with the Irish Prime Minister or the

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Speaker 13: t sharkus he's called Simon Harris, saying the decision is

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Speaker 13: deeply regrettable and also rejects any notion that Ireland is

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Speaker 13: anti Israel.

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Speaker 3: What about the Royal Males parent company apparently being sold

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Speaker 3: off to a chick billionaire.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we expect the announcement probably in about three four

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Speaker 13: hours from now, but it all looks like it's been

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Speaker 13: given the go ahead. This is a takeover worth nearly

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Speaker 13: eight billion New Zealand dollars. It's controversial because of because

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Speaker 13: the Royal Mail, a very British institution, is looking to

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Speaker 13: be sold to a check billionaire. It's Daniel Kratinsky is

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Speaker 13: his name, but it's the group EP Group, which is

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Speaker 13: perhaps more famous. And the post office here the Royal

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Speaker 13: Males had a real problem. The volume of letters being

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Speaker 13: posted is plummeted, half the number being sent compared to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Eleven levels mass.

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Speaker 13: At the same time, parcel deliveries have become more popular

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Speaker 13: and a lot more profitable. Daniel Kratinski made quite his

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01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 13: fortune from energy interests, but also currently owns a ten

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01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 13: percent stake in the huge supermarket chain his Sainsbury's, a

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Speaker 13: quarter percent a quarter of the value of west Ham

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01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 13: United is his. He's owned a quarter state there and

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Speaker 13: he's said to be worth roughly thirteen billion New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 13: But the controversial takeover is certainly making the headlines here.

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01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 13: The government is keeping what it's calling a golden share,

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01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 13: requiring any major changes to the ownership, location of the

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01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 13: headquarters and tax residency to have to be passed by them.

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Speaker 13: But plenty of people very very concerned that somebody from

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01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 13: abroad taking over this British institution.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely what's to deal with this AI catching drink drivers

1845
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 3: in England? Is this an operation used or is this

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01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 3: in the future situation?

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Speaker 13: No, No, they're getting it going now. So already a

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01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 13: firm that makes cameras here in the UK has had

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01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 13: some success with trying to spot drunk drivers and also

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01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 13: those on mobile phones. So the cameras are hooked up

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01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 13: to some software using artificial intelligence, which is very clever

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01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 13: at really being able to check whether road use and

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Speaker 13: behavior consistent with drivers who may be impaired by drink

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Speaker 13: or drugs. So in other words, you know, it looks

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01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 13: at the cars driving towards it and looks for certain

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01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 13: behavior or traits that suggest that the driver might either

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Speaker 13: be drunk or high and police then further up the

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Speaker 13: road can stop the vehicle flagged up, talk to the

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Speaker 13: driver and do a roadside test immediate for alcohol and

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Speaker 13: illegal drugs. And this is a huge problem in this country.

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Speaker 13: I'm afraid because a fatal collision is six times more

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Speaker 13: likely to happen with a drunk driver at its heart.

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Speaker 13: So this new system that really hoping down in the

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Speaker 13: southwest of England can change the way motoring is assessed.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. You've got to feel for those people who are

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Speaker 3: just bad drivers who get caught up on the whole thing. Devin, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thank you for that, Kevin Gray, a UK correspondent. It

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Speaker 3: is eight away from seven News TALKSIB.

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Speaker 2: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

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Speaker 2: will be the impact?

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Speaker 1: It's the Business Hour with hither Duplicyllen and my HR

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Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy SMS, News Talks it.

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Speaker 3: B, News Talks it B. It is six away from

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Speaker 3: seven Now the all Sorry, the black Caps all out

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Speaker 3: for four hundred and fifty three England hitting up with

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01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 3: the bet now needing six hundred and fifty eight to win, which,

1877
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Speaker 3: as we heard from Jason Pineer in the program, unlikely

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01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 3: to happen, but you never say never. So basically we yeah,

1879
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Speaker 3: well we're not gonna win the series, how would we

1880
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 3: know that, but we might win a battle here. That

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Speaker 3: is it for me today. Thank you very much, Thank

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Speaker 3: you j Nikola Willis for coming on the program. Thanks

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01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 3: for all of your checks and your feedback this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. And what are we going out with tonight?

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Speaker 11: Let me entertain you by Robbie Williams to play us

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Speaker 11: out tonight. So I'm sure if you, if you've been

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Speaker 11: watching the movie trailers or YouTube or wherever you see

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01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 11: stuff on TV these days, Ryan, you will have noticed

1889
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 11: the trailer for the new Robbi Williams biopic that's coming out. Actually, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 11: So the interesting thing about it is that Robbie Williams

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01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 11: in this movie is being played digitally by a monkey.

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Speaker 11: Like everyone else in the movie is just a human,

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01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 11: but the Robbi Williams character resembles a monkey. And I

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01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 11: have why, yes, exactly, that's the question we've all had.

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01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 11: So they've sat down to talk to him about it,

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01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 11: and basically the director just really wanted a point of difference.

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Speaker 11: He's like, there's just so many musical biopicks, and he

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01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 11: wanted to come at this with a different lens, so

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01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 11: he heard when he was doing his research, he said,

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Speaker 11: Robbie would often say, oh, I'm just like a performing monkey,

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Speaker 11: or I'm up the back like a performing monkey.

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Speaker 8: So he's like, okay, there we go.

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 11: We're making my monkey sounds.

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01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 3: Do you know what that sounds like? It sounds like

1905
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 3: the content is bad, so they've gone for a gimmick.

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01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 11: Well, to be fair, it gets attention, right. I mean

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01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 11: you know, if he's got a good movie and he

1908
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 11: just needs to get some people in the door to

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01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 11: see it.

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Speaker 3: Do you know who won't be watching that? Elton John, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to throw over my head roundhi first.

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Speaker 3: So he's blight, he announced the Threek. He's blind, poor

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Speaker 3: old thing. Anyway, I shouldn't have said that. Pour away

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Speaker 3: from seven you just talk to have a loved Even.

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