1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Kevan Grays, are UK corresponding with us? 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 2: Right now? 3 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hey, Gvin, Hi there, Okay, So it's really all on 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: like in a verbal fights between the Israeli government and 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: the UK government, isn't it. 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: It has become pretty much like that Heather at the moment. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 8 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: First of all, Israel's Foreign minister accused European countries of incitement. 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: This after the killing of two staff members from the 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Israeli embassy in Washington, d C. Now why was he 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: saying incitement? Well because shortly before, about twenty four hours 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: before the pair were killed, the UK had put out 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: a joint statement with France and Canada criticizing Israel's approaching 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: guards And of course what many is saying is going 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: to be a catastrophic famine there and that Israel's tactics 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: are completely wrong. Well, then the Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminettnia 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: who said the British Prime Minister Sakirstanri's on the wrong 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: side of humanity. He said in a video in English 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: that when mass murderers, rapists, baby killers, and kidnappers, thank you, 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: you're on the wrong side of justice, You're on the 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: wrong side of history. Now, the UK hasn't directly really 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: responded to that accusation, but in France they've absolutely spat 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: back saying this is just not true. It is not 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: the reason these two were killed instead of how dare you? 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: But there's no doubt relations pretty low. This after the 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: trade discussions were suddenly halted, and also the ambassadors were 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: called in in order to discuss what is going on 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: in Gaza. So this Prime Minister certainly having a big round, 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: a big spat here with Benyamaguetteoho, Kevin, how's. 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: This news gone down of chemical castration? 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting this and it has been a debate 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: for a while, and there's been a pilot project here 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: in the UK. So first of all, some figures for you. 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: In different tests, one group of sex offenders who'd been 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: chemically castrated with comparing it with another group who had not, 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: found that reoffending rates were sixty percent lower among the 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: group with being chemically castrated. So in pilot projects this 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: is found to have been pretty good, not conclusively, but 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: pretty good at working. In Germany and Denmark, the use 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: of chemical suppression has been administered on a voluntary basis. 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: In other words, prisoners have been offered this if they 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: are there for a sex crime. In Poland, though it's 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: mandatory for some sex offenders now the UK currently has 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: a trial going on in Southwest England and they are 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: now expanding that trial to cover some twenty prisons in England. 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: What happens is a prisoner from a particular group set 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: of serious offenses, serious sexual offenses, sometimes repeat offending, is 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: offered this particular option. It is chemical castration, delivered through 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: two drugs. A selective serotonin reuptake inhibitory is one of 50 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: the of that is thought to limit sexual thoughts. Anti 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,559 Speaker 2: Androgens are also administered. They reduce the production of testosterone 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: and limit libido and so far, yeah, these figures are 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: pretty good. But you know, it is mandatory in a 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: couple of places, and indeed in California if it's a 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: second time sex offender. But I think it's going to 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: be very difficult here in the UK to make it mandatory. 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: And already many doctors groups saying we would not compulsorily 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: give somebody these drugs if you know they didn't want them. 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Why not. Yeah, well they're saying it's down to sort 60 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: of morals on the code of a doctor, etc. Others 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: are saying, well, hang on a minute. You know, these 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: people are going out and doing the most horrific crimes, 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: some of them, so surely this is a sensible way 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: of doing it. It's painless, so it would seem to 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: be good, particularly incidentally, of course, when prisons in this 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: country are so full they're having to release people early. 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: Interesting. Kevin, thanks very much, really appreciate that, and have 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: you so lovely weekend. 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