1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: On the huddle with me this evening. We have got 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: fellow Riley Iron Duke Partners and Phil Goff. Feel welcome. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, today, good to have two films from Mount Roskell 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: on the program. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: You're right on one work more here than the other film. 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: I'm working on a film. 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Okay, right, we're going by full names lads, because as 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: you can imagine, this is going to be problematic. Actually, 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: feel GoF. It's really lovely to talk to you because 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: I was just reading about you last night in j 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Cinder's book. Have you read it? 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? I did read it actually, yes, right, Yeah, it's 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: kind of an interesting casual side you know style that 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: she follows, just you know, talking about her upbringing in 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: her life and I know appearents well, you know, the 16 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: lovely people. I found it quite interesting. Not things that 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: I didn't understand about that, but yeah, it was hard 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: being in politics without being a mother. Being a mother, 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, you've got a full time career and and 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: you're managing your kids as well, and with a little 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: bit of help from Barry. So yeah, that was a 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: challenge for her. But I was found her an authentic 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: and empathetic person. 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Is your recollection of events the same as hers. That 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you were the one who told her never to say 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: yes if to ask her to run for parliament, and 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: then you were the one who called her and asked 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: her to run for parliament. 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's probably right. You know, no same 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: person runs for public office if that wants to look 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: after their family and their lifestyle. But in another sense, 32 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: it's the highest calling, you know. So yeah, I did 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: tell her, probably at a moment when I was, you know, 34 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: at the end of a twelve hour day or whatever, 35 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: don't be so stupid as to do a job like this. 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: But you know, she was a person that I thought 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: was suit of. 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I don't want any praise. I don't want 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: any praise, you know how I feel about her. 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna we're going to we're going to providing some balances. 41 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: We're going to stop you right there. Fellow Riley, Have 42 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: you read the book yet? 43 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: No? I haven't. But what I have done is I've 44 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: had a lot of fun reading all the reviews because 45 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: you go around globally and the reviews and you can 46 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: reliably work out which newspaper or which website if you're 47 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: listening to you harvest the Daily Telegraph, they hate it. 48 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: If it's The Guardian, they love it. 49 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: If it's Oprah, she loves it. You know all that. 51 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: So I just had such fun because the book has 52 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 3: got almost nothing to do with the reviews. It's whether 53 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: you like Jesindra or not review it brilliantly, or. 54 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to break Philer Riley. I'm going to break 55 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: this mold because you know how I feel about Jasinda 56 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: right like you know, I've got I've got bad vibes 57 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: on it, but I'm really enjoying the book. So I'm 58 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: going to probably be the first person in the world 59 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: who doesn't like her but will like her books. So 60 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we'll get round to that at some stage. Fair enough 61 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: to Phillo Riley, can I you're not you're not a parent, 62 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: but you've done sleepovers? 63 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, I've been thinking about this this afternoon since 64 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: you want to talk about it, and I was trying 65 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: to recall my own childhood back in the swinging sixties, 66 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: when God knows you can think much about these things 67 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: at all. But the test that you were given earlier, 68 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: I think is sensible. I recall that really when I 69 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: look back at it, I was only at the houses 70 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: of people who were close friends of my family or 71 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: or any family members actually, and I recall them all 72 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: being quite small too. It wasn't as though there was 73 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: twenty of the sleeping over till I was quite a 74 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: lot later in life. So so I think actually that 75 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: the good sense kind of test here is the right one, 76 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: I think, But without being a helicopter parent about it. 77 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 3: I think getting into screen time and stuff's probably the 78 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: only but try for me personally, but you just knowing 79 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: that these people are good people. The other test that 80 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this afternoon was the test I'm 81 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: making sure there's no other strangers in the house, so 82 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: you know, Dave and Sally they're good people. But Uncle 83 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: Ted's in the house tonight. You didn't know that. So 84 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: I think some of that stuff about are these strangers 85 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: that you don't know are going to be there? But 86 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: you know, it's a good sense test, and I think 87 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: my parents probably followed those tests even way back in 88 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: the sixties. 89 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably philed you. You would have had kids in 90 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: the eighties and ninety day. What did you do? 91 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, Usually, you know, we're just if we 92 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: knew the family, that was fine. If we didn't know 93 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: the family, and we weren't confident about their being proper supervision, 94 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: then we would have said no. I mean, I think 95 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: you have to use your common sense on this. You 96 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: have to try and find a balance. You can be 97 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: over to protective, over protective and this is developerendent. 98 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't deny them the sleep of as a 99 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: because that's normal kid stuff. 100 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you do what you know. I think, 101 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: as Phil said, most actual abuse is sexual. Abusive kids 102 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: don't happen, you know, on in a playground, out in 103 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: a public arena. They happen in somebody's residence, So you've 104 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: just got to be a little bit careful. I think 105 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: the other thing is just to make sure you tell 106 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: your kids that it's not all right for anybody to 107 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: abuse them in any way, including sexually, and what to 108 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: do if that were to be the case. 109 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: I think that's it's like you teach a kid. You 110 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: teach a kid how to look after themselves in a playground, 111 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: you teach them how to look after themselves of the 112 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: stuff as well. Right, we'll take a break, come back shortly, 113 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: writes twelve away from sixty Back of the Huddle pill 114 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: O'reiley and Phil golf philo'reiley, do you think that Aukland 115 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Council should ban helicopters private use of helicopters in suburban 116 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: areas to avoid a Mobra case. 117 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: Again, don't be so ridiculous. I mean, this is a 118 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: test of reasonableness. I mean, telecopters are a public a 119 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: transport opportunity for some people. They shouldn't been submarines either. Here, 120 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: It's just it's a ridiculous sort of thought. The Mobras 121 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: and the Mobras have been through a proper process, they've applied, 122 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: they've ticked all the boxes and ends of the environmental 123 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: issues and so on. Just move on that. A lot 124 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: of the publicity of this is just the chattering classes 125 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: because Anna Mobray is one of the one of the 126 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: few superstars of the media and so on in New Zealand, 127 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: one of the one of the few people like that. 128 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: And so we've just got this little chattering class thing 129 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: going on, which I really find depressing New Zealand. Let's 130 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: just move on. It's fine, the world's not come to 131 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: an end. Move on and let them have it. 132 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: Not even that noisy. I bet Phil Goth that your 133 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: bike is even noisier than. 134 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: A chopper oh no, No, I've got a modern British 135 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: motorbike that doesn't make the loud noise that you know, 136 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: the Harley Davidson does, So you can't bring that one 137 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: on me. Look, I've met both Anna Mowbray and Allie 138 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: William separately, perfectly nice people. I think that's not the 139 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: issue whether nice people, whether wealthy or not wealthy. The 140 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: issue is what people regard as quite enjoyment of life. 141 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: And you've got to balance out the interests of whether 142 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: it might be convenient to have a helicopter pad in 143 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: your back section, but if that were to interrupt seriously 144 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: the quiet enjoyment of life of others, then you have 145 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: to take that into account. So yeah, and the council did. 146 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: That's the point that. 147 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: The panel, the panel independent commissioners decided that you're right. 148 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: The process was followed appropriately and according to the by laws, 149 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: it was legitimate. But there is a wider question I 150 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: know over y Heck, because every every third house in 151 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: some of the areas there have got their own helicopter. 152 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: The people are really pissed off with the interruption of 153 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: their life and the noise they are trying to enjoy. 154 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: The beauty and the tranquility of the place, and that 155 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's not just one house, it's it's a 156 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: whole lot of houses. And helicopters I've traveled in them 157 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: often do make a hell of a lot of noise. 158 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: So you know, if I was living next door, yeah, 159 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: probably I'd have a problem with it. 160 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: I sort of I wonder, phil GoF if we shouldn't 161 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: be a little bit more welcoming of people who this 162 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: is a legitimate form of transport for somebody who's uber wealthy, right, 163 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: and we should actually be grateful that people like that 164 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: choose to live in this country, rather than kind of 165 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: making it harder for them by taking away the things 166 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: they want to do. 167 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I don't think the fact 168 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: that are wealthy or not wealthy makes any difference at all. Obviously, 169 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: if you have your own helicopter, you have view you 170 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: are reasonably well off. I think it is that, you know, 171 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: when I wrote the trade tendency legislation back in the 172 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, one of the things we put in was 173 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: quite enjoyment of life, a requirement of people that were 174 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: renting to respect the quite enjoyment of life of their 175 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: neighbors and that was about having loud parties and things 176 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: like that. But you know, I do know I have 177 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: helicopters come over my place quite regularly. Actually, when I 178 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: was away, I had the police helicopter over it for 179 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: about nine hours dealing with the gang that had occupied 180 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: my house. 181 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: That's right. I forgot about that. 182 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you so it wasn't It wasn't wasn't pleasant trying 183 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: to deal with that for from London. But look, you know, 184 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: the point is about if it's not a big deal 185 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: to hop in your car and drive, you know, two 186 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: kilometers down the road to go to the helipad, and 187 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: if it is causing genuine disruption of the quite ensurement 188 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: of life of your neighbors, you have to take that 189 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: into account. 190 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: You know what, Pella Ralely, you and I are going 191 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: to get a ride in the Mobras chopper. 192 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: And not Phil exactly the point the point, and I 193 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: agree with everything Phil Phil just said. The problem here 194 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: is though that I think without without I'm not going 195 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: to mention names here, I think some of the opposition 196 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: to the to the Ali Williams and Animobra helicopter is 197 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: because they just don't like Eli and a mobile. They don't. 198 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: They don't like the other people have got the wealth 199 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: to do that. That's the chattering classes point, and that's 200 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: what I completely reject. 201 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: I do suspect that there's an element of that to it. Guys, 202 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: it's lovely to talk to the pair of you. 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