1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, to the Fairies, and new documents revealed three hundred 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: million dollars was set aside by the government to cover 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: its broken ferry bill contract with Yundai. Even if Hyundai 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: land the new deal to build two smaller ferries, the 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: bill will still have to be paid out. Todd Volster 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: is rail the Maritime Transport Union General Secretary and has 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: working up early for us. Good morning to your Todd's 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: good mind. Three hundred million is that all? 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: I think it's undercut. There's a lot more than three 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: hundred million. I think they're playing the under sums there. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: What are they missing out? 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Well, there's three hundred million under the ether's nothing not 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: recognizing the costs that have already been put onto to 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: procure these these theories, the two large fairies. So there's 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: there's there's many more millions that have been spent. Okay, 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: billion dollars or even more. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Okay, easy to are around those words. But yes, I 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: understand these ships where to cost five hundred and fifty 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: one million dollars and now we've got three hundred million 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: to break that. But the pole project would cost three 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: point five billion, possibly even four by Now that's because 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: of the wharfside costs. Can you tell me why no 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: one talks about the wharfside cost which is the biggest 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: part of this whole thing, and we'll still have to happen. 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: I think we still do, just talk about it. Yeah, yeah, no, 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: maybe it's been played down, but the ambition by the 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: crow Space was a bit high and it was a 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: one hundred year ascid except you know, the existing infrastructure 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: is probably fifty years old or less and needing to 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: be replaced, so they probably went a bit too far 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: on that side of things, and there was a lots 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: of debate about where there was going to be in Wellington, 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: whether it's going to be close to the railway station 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: or income the existing far fire. So yeah, still talking 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: about it, but yeah it still needs There's tenths on 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: both sides, so they. 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: Don't need to be Those wolves are on earthquake a 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: fault and they're sixty years old and they're going to 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: need something, So we'll talk about that later. In your opinion, 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: did the government rush to cancel the fairies? 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I don't think there was much thought put in 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: it at all, even the way that they canceled the ferries, 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: and I think it was by text message to high 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: and Die before it was announced a couple of hours later. 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: So the public was totally disrespectful. I think what is 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: good is that at least part of the coalition has 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: gone to career and spoken to with the shipbuilders. The 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: Prime Minister didn't and certainly the Minister of Finance didn't, 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: but at once to have all right. 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: Three months after the deal was canceled, the Ministerial Advisory 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Group appointed by Nikola Willis told her that she should 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: urgently renegotiate the contract. She didn't. Was that a mistake? 53 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Even the Nisterary Advisory Group was sort of geared 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: to be to what Nikla calls rail compatible, which is 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: like weird everything as well compatible. You can take a 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: piece of fright and put it on a pushbite if 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: you like. But as far as rail enabled, which is 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: what New Zealand needs, that's that's that's the main thing 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: I was going. 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: To ask you. Are you a roll on roll off guy, 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: a rail enabled guy, or a rail competible guy. 62 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Rail compatible is ridiculous. Rail enabled is what New Zealand needs. 63 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: It's completely inefficient to taking freight off wagons and putting 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: it onto the little trucks and and doing the same 65 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: at the other end. It's it's it's uh yeah, all right, 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: it's not even safe really, Todd. 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I thank you for your time today, Todd Volster from 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: the Maritime Transport Union. 69 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: For more from earlier edition with Ryan Bridge, Listen live 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: to news Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.