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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and news talk as they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be good afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Health

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is going to use private hospitals to get

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Speaker 2: surgeries done. That's one way they're planning to meet the

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Speaker 2: government's five health targets. We when I have chat to

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Speaker 2: them about it. Wayne Brown's new bridge idea for Auckland

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Speaker 2: is getting attention. Is it crazy or realistic? We'll find out.

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Speaker 2: And apparently Google is so cross about the government's law

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Speaker 2: to try to force them to pay companies media companies

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Speaker 2: that is that they're actually threatening to leave the country altogether.

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Speaker 3: Heather duplessy Ellen, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to give you my answer to a question somebody

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Speaker 2: asked me today. This is post the debate yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: presidential debate. Why would anyone vote for someone as dumb

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Speaker 2: as Donald Trump. That's the question that was asked of me.

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Speaker 2: And they asked me specifically in relation to him saying

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Speaker 2: that in Springfield, Ohio, they're eating the doll they're eating

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Speaker 2: the cats, they're eating the pets of the people that

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Is thisly not a hard one for me to answer

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Speaker 2: for you, I reckon it's pretty simple. There are Trump supporters,

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Speaker 2: not all of them, but some of them, I think

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Speaker 2: quite a few of them who don't think that he's wrong.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I think that is because, in part

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Speaker 2: what got me thinking about this was yesterday when we

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Speaker 2: got so many texts from listeners saying, Donald Trump's right.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what's the problem. Here's a link to the footage,

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Speaker 2: Here's a link to some proof online. Everyone knows it's happening.

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Speaker 2: It's just the MSM who don't report it. What's happened

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Speaker 2: who believe that the media are the ones who are wrong,

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Speaker 2: and actually people like Donald Trump are right. And what

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Speaker 2: these people do is they go on the Internet to

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Speaker 2: do their own research and they find just enough proof

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Speaker 2: out there to make them believe that, yeah, maybe he's right.

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Speaker 2: In the pets case. For example, if you go on

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Speaker 2: and do your own research, you will find that there

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Speaker 2: are reports that someone in Springfield had in fact posted

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Speaker 2: on a private Springfield Facebook page that their daughter's friend's

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Speaker 2: And that particular report from that Facebook page has done

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Speaker 2: the rounds and it's been reported as fact by some

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Speaker 2: and as a result, that is enough for Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: to be right. That is why Donald Trump keeps on

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Speaker 2: repeating the claim that there are some states that allow

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Speaker 2: abortions at full term, because there is just enough information

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Speaker 2: out there on the Internet for some people to believe

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Speaker 2: him when he says that, believe he's right, and ignore

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Speaker 2: the media when the media say he's wrong. Now, that

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Speaker 2: should answer your question if you wonder why anyone is

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Speaker 2: dumb enough to support Trump, because they simply don't trust

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Speaker 2: the media anymore and the Internet provides heaps of alternative facts.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else is important here? The media

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Speaker 2: coverage of that comment in the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: is basically making fun of him. Is not going to

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Speaker 2: hurt him, because we expect Donald Trump to say stupid things.

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Speaker 2: With this guy's been around long enough. We've got used

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Speaker 2: to him. It doesn't hurt him when he says stupid things.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about today? Are we talking about

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Speaker 2: we're not. We're talking about Donald Trump and what he said.

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Speaker 2: And that is how he won the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 2: by outraging the media so much that they gave him

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Speaker 2: hours of free publicity. And what are they doing this

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Speaker 2: time around? Exactly the same thing together?

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Speaker 3: Do for see Allen, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, on exactly how this all came to be, that

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Speaker 2: this rumor has done the rounds logan Church US correspondent

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us at about quarter past

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Speaker 2: five and explain it to us. Right now, it's eleven

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Speaker 2: past four nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: A massive film production is coming to New Zealand. Amazon

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Speaker 2: and MGM will primarily be shooting The Wreck and Crew.

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Speaker 2: This is the film The Wreck and Crew, which stars

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Speaker 2: Jason Momore, Dave Batista and Temawarera Morrison in the city

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Speaker 2: of Sales and Auckland is because it's expected to be

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Speaker 2: the biggest production made here in New Zealand since The

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Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings TV show buggered off to the UK.

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Speaker 2: Hell is chief executive of Tartuki Auckland Unlimited and is

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Speaker 2: with us now.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Nick, hi, Heather.

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Speaker 2: How big a deal is this for Auckland.

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Speaker 4: It is a big deal and the timing couldn't be

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Speaker 4: better given the challenges that we've had economically.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how long is it going to be here for?

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Speaker 4: They'll probably film for two to three months, but they'll

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Speaker 4: employ about fourteen hundred people. Yeah, and it will be

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Speaker 2: And it's where are they filming that tell us?

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Speaker 4: Well, they will certainly film in the city center, but

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Speaker 4: Auckland will actually get to show itself off in a

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Speaker 2: So we're going to be able to fill our eyes

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Speaker 4: Well we are, and maybe Eve in some car chases

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Speaker 2: Much less interesting to the ladies, Nick, much less interesting.

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Speaker 2: Of the fourteen hundred, how many of them are that

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Speaker 2: we basically they're using our crew, they're not bringing their own.

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Speaker 4: A large number of them will be local, if not,

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Speaker 4: if not most of them. We have very good crews

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Speaker 4: here that are definitely international, and we've become very used

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to be ungrateful because you know,

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Speaker 2: three months is three months, but three months is also

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Speaker 2: just three months. Is there anything after that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So the pipeline at the moment is actually very strong.

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Speaker 4: But the challenge with these things is they're all projects,

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Speaker 4: so they all kind of have an ending. But we're

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Speaker 4: and New Zealand is considered absolutely first rate for making

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Speaker 4: these sorts of films. So right now the situation looks

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Speaker 4: very good.

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Speaker 6: So is this a.

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Speaker 2: Case now if I look at this and I say, okay,

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Speaker 2: Auckland is now the place where we do the filming,

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Speaker 2: not so much Wellington. Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: I mean we're Aukland's about sixty percent of the screen industry.

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Speaker 4: It's always had a role, but Wellington's are also important,

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Speaker 2: Nick, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Nick Kell of Auckland Unlimited. He's the chief executive there

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Speaker 2: here that with due respect, stop calling me and people

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Speaker 2: like me dumb. David. Oh that's from David. I thought

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Speaker 2: he was calling me David. No, David, I await your apology, David.

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Speaker 2: Sorry for saying that you're dumb. I had. We've had

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Speaker 2: this discussion in the like in our team today quite

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Speaker 2: a lot. I do not think people who vote for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump are dumb. I think that there are some

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Speaker 2: people who vote for Donald Trump who are dumb, but

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Speaker 2: it's the same for everybody, Like there are people who

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Speaker 2: and just vote dumbly. I think that it's so so complicated.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm about to dig myself a giant hole.

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Speaker 2: Can I just stop talking about it. I don't think

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Speaker 2: you're dumb. I don't think you're dumb. I was saying

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Speaker 2: moving on very swiftly before I do dig a giant

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Speaker 2: hole here. Did you see the story about the former

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Speaker 2: Miss Switzerland competitor whose husband killed her and put her

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Speaker 2: in the blender. Now have a listened to this? Okay,

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Speaker 2: So she's a former finalist for Miss Switzerland. He, the husband,

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Speaker 2: which is actually the right place to do it if

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Speaker 2: and then he dissolved her in chemicals. Now he reckons,

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Speaker 2: he reckons. This was all in self defense. She had

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Speaker 2: If you kill somebody in self defense, don't put them

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Speaker 2: believe your story, and no one believes her story.

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Speaker 8: Duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant

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Speaker 8: Leaf for Business, Youth Talks, B Sport with tab get

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Speaker 8: your Bed on r eighteen bet responsibly.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to make a fortune this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Why do you what? What on?

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Speaker 10: What on?

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Speaker 9: What?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 9: Actually UFC is always interesting to throw a few bucks on,

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Speaker 9: but I live when I was going to make a fortune.

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Speaker 9: There's a guy O'Malley who's fantastic to watch the only

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Speaker 9: band like tiny like sixty something cage Gee. I could

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Speaker 9: take him on What News watch them? I don't think

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Speaker 9: you'd want to. But he's only paying a dollar seventy

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Speaker 9: two to win against the sky de Velosmili who's paying

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Speaker 9: two fifteen, So that's probably too tight to go putting

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Speaker 9: a wholem of money on. But for me, it's the

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Speaker 9: excitement of watching it to see you're going to win

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Speaker 9: or lose, but the fight itself is going to be amazing.

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Speaker 9: This O'Malley is one of the best strikers you'll see.

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Speaker 9: Super skinny, really really really long arms, and he targets people.

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Speaker 9: He knows where they're button is, so he touches them

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Speaker 9: a bit, sees where it is, and he can throw

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Speaker 9: punches at the strangest angles out of anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Is he from Ireland?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely well, I think he's got Irish blood, but he's

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Speaker 9: an American. He's got a great backstory if you want

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Speaker 9: to look at some old UFC documentaries. The trouble is

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Speaker 9: Vashavili gets him on the deck, could be a real problem.

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Speaker 9: He might be able to get up. He's got a

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Speaker 9: good background TA one no, but whether he can we

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Speaker 9: don't know. So tight so maybe not a lot of

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Speaker 9: money to be made. But I kind of like to

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Speaker 9: bet from time to time to the tab. I might

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Speaker 9: add I am over eighteen, which you have to be,

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Speaker 9: and I will bet responsibly. It's just because it adds

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Speaker 9: a bit of that extra pep.

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Speaker 5: You know when it.

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Speaker 9: Still when? So that's me this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what what is interesting to watch the cricket?

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Speaker 9: Why? What's interesting about watching rain?

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Speaker 2: What the hell's going on?

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Speaker 11: This is?

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Speaker 3: Dave?

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Speaker 2: Are we going to give up on this?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: B P The War Hypocracy. We play cricket against Afghanistan,

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Speaker 2: That would probably work at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival as

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Speaker 15: I get that, but when you basically create anarchy, it

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Speaker 15: turned into a right situation. There were police being thrown

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Speaker 15: animal feces, they were throwing.

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Speaker 3: Acid at the cops.

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Speaker 15: We had to call in two thousand police officers and

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Speaker 15: we had thousands of protesters. Melbourne's brought to a sandstill. Honestly,

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Speaker 15: it was really confronting to see that we allow this

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Speaker 15: to go on and the Opposition Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson.

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Speaker 15: He says that they are extraordinary levels of lawlessness and

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Speaker 15: that has been able to occur here in Australia since

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Speaker 15: the Harmas incursion on Israel back in October last year.

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Speaker 15: Because if you think about that protest at the Sydney

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Speaker 15: Opera House last year that was not condemned in the

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Speaker 15: strongest possible terms. And now you've seen what's occurred on

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Speaker 15: the streets of Victoria yesterday. As I said, better of

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Speaker 15: visits today there's still people out and about this saying

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Speaker 15: they'll be back out tomorrow. You know, this is just

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Speaker 15: not the kind of protesting that you want or we

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Speaker 15: want to expect here in Australia. Again, writes a protest

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Speaker 15: and all that do it peacefully. But if you're anti war,

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Speaker 15: why are you creating a situation that is just complete

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Speaker 15: and utterly reckless.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point that you make, actually there, Oli,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you that the Greens going to get anywhere

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Speaker 2: with the supermarkets and the fines.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you look to Europe, they do this.

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Speaker 15: So in Europe there's a bill in the European Union

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Speaker 15: that allows the competition watchdog there to apply for court

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Speaker 15: orders if a corporation has been found to illegally price gouged.

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Speaker 15: So they say, if it's good enough for Europe, should

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Speaker 15: be good enough for Australia. They're threatening to find corporations

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Speaker 15: up to fifty million dollars if they found guilty of

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Speaker 15: price gouging companies here in astral customers here in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Will it get up No, not on the surface of it.

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Speaker 3: They'll try it next week in the Parliament. But fast

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Speaker 3: forward to the next election. Here there the Greens have

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Speaker 3: the balance of power and that's where the Poles are

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Speaker 3: pointing towards everything.

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Speaker 15: Everything's on the table if Labors to form a minority

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Speaker 15: government next time around. So it might sound like Pie

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Speaker 15: and the Sky kind of Greens policy at the moment,

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Speaker 15: but this is an insight into what Australia twenty five

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Speaker 15: twenty six could look like if the Greens hold the

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Speaker 15: balance of power.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting. I can so watch everything that they do

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Speaker 2: from here on and I know it could actually become

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Speaker 2: real at some stage. Elbow has he still not been

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Speaker 2: able to sell his rental?

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Speaker 3: Well, he's only listed it last night.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if you're looking for a two story, three

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Speaker 15: bedroom home in Dulwich Hill, which is in Sydney's in

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Speaker 15: the west.

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Speaker 3: Then you need to cool one point nine million dollars.

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Speaker 15: He brought this thing back in twenty fifteen for one

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Speaker 15: point one seventy five million dollars, so he stands to

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Speaker 15: make what seven hundred thousand dollars if he gets the

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Speaker 15: price that he wants. You'll remember he made those headlines

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Speaker 15: months ago because he kicked out a tenant who was

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Speaker 15: struggling to find somewhere to live in the middle of

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Speaker 15: a housing crisis in Australia.

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Speaker 3: The room, the pans.

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Speaker 2: So this is why I'm surprised he's only just listed

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Speaker 2: it because he kepcked that blokeout ages ago, didn't he he.

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Speaker 3: Kicked him out.

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Speaker 15: He's a bit to work on the problem. I've seen

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Speaker 15: some pictures. It's on Debain and should have a look

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Speaker 15: at it. You might be interested in it. Lovely you know,

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Speaker 15: little backyard area. There's a nice little kitchen that's been

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Speaker 15: done up.

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Speaker 3: It's got some gray carpet, lovely bed. It could be

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Speaker 3: you know, little Sydney pad for you.

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Speaker 15: But I just think it's it's interesting that he's you know,

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Speaker 15: he's got the right to sell this thing, right, but

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Speaker 15: in the middle of a housing crisis, read their own

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Speaker 15: Prime minister. With everything else going on in Australia at

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Speaker 15: the moment, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Just hold on to it until after the election.

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Speaker 2: You know what. I think you're right, and actually it is.

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Speaker 2: It's quite nicely dressed, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's not bad.

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Speaker 2: It's not modern.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's done pretty well here. So this could be

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Speaker 15: the you know the Heather property in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what one point nine million for that little box.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money. Thanks a lot of thanks

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Speaker 2: oli Oli Peterson six PR Perth Life presenter. It's small,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that now. It's very small. One point

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Speaker 2: nine million. Ozzie So Darling Tana. So she's been in

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Speaker 2: court today. Her attempt to save her career, you'll remember,

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Speaker 2: was in the High Court in Auckland and then and

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Speaker 2: then they had the thing where they'd agreed that they

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Speaker 2: would it was the interim thing and then they going

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Speaker 2: to call their jets for a couple of weeks and

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Speaker 2: they come back to court. So they went back to

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Speaker 2: court today. She's arguing that she was unlawfully thrown out

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Speaker 2: of the Green Party as and not breaking the luws

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Speaker 2: of the country, but breaking the laws of the Green

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Speaker 2: Party and that she shouldn't have been blamed for what

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Speaker 2: her husband was doing. But what I find fascinating is

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Speaker 2: that she has laid out that from the very first minute.

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Speaker 2: This is according to her lawyer in court, from the

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Speaker 2: very first minute that the media got in touch with

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Speaker 2: the Green Party making the allegations about what was going

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Speaker 2: on in his business. Oh, Madam, I called her up. Madam.

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Speaker 2: I called Darline and was like, yeah, shit quit. And

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Speaker 2: the implication of that is that from the very outset

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Speaker 2: they were never going to give her fair go. They

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Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of her because it looked bad

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Speaker 2: in front of everybody. So anyway, Barry soopap will have

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Speaker 2: a little chat about that with us when he's short,

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Speaker 2: very shortly sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics, credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Very sore senior political correspondence with us. Now go on,

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Speaker 2: Barry's just get it, get it, get it out of

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Speaker 2: your system.

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Speaker 16: It.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I was really interested in your editorial, very good

556
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Speaker 13: on Donald Trump and Carmela Harris and their first debate

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Speaker 13: the eating cats and dogs. I mean, what he was

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Speaker 13: doing was he was extrapolating that here was one case,

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Speaker 13: and you mentioned that a cat Hiatian had taken a

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Speaker 13: cat and allegedly eaten it.

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Speaker 9: One case, but.

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Speaker 13: That to be the whole of the eleven million dollars

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Speaker 13: in immigrants that are there illegally in the United States.

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Speaker 13: And the other one is the baby's being executed. Now,

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Speaker 13: I've had a lot of email today on this, and

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Speaker 13: it's true that some babies do survive after an abortion, thankfully,

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Speaker 13: and unfortunately some die. But those that do survive there

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Speaker 13: is an attempt at that stage to keep them alive.

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Speaker 13: But abortions are dreadful in any situation, and so, but

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Speaker 13: they're not being executed as Donald Trump would have us believe.

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Speaker 13: So it's the way he presents it, and it's the

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Speaker 13: way his followers suck it up and say.

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Speaker 2: What are you taking issue with? Are you taking issue

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Speaker 2: with how he phrased his language or the very fact

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Speaker 2: that he claims that this is real?

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Speaker 13: Well, no, what what he What he leaves the impression

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Speaker 13: of everyone one with is that, for example, on abortion,

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Speaker 13: that babies are being executed, you know, ad infinitem around

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Speaker 13: the United States, which is patently wrong. The other thing

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Speaker 13: is that eating cats and dogs, that's just crap. I mean,

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Speaker 13: he's seen one hang on, he's seen one television item,

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Speaker 13: and you know he's extrapolated from that that that's going

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Speaker 13: on all over the country with these minds.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say it was.

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Speaker 13: No, but what I'm saying is that's what he's trying

586
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Speaker 13: to create the impression.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I was saying was happening was that there

588
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Speaker 2: is just enough evidence on the Internet to allow these

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Speaker 2: people who support him, some of them, to believe that

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Speaker 2: it really was happening.

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Speaker 9: They believe it on one case, you know, the totally

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Speaker 9: misguided Well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Barry, thank you, thank you for clarifying. We didn't

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Speaker 2: realize you didn't like Donald Trump, but now we do.

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Speaker 13: Okay is a wonderful man.

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Speaker 2: Kate, What about Darlena? So she's basically stitching together a

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Speaker 2: story which I actually am quite fascinated by that the

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Speaker 2: Greens actually wanted to fire her from the get go.

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Speaker 2: They were never going to give her a chance.

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Speaker 13: She says, Well, her appropriately named lawyer, Sharon Green, representing

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Speaker 13: her in court today, and this is the case that

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Speaker 13: prevented the Greens from meeting to decide whether to use

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Speaker 13: the walker jumping legislation. Look, it was interesting the argument

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Speaker 13: that you've put up that for Tana being held accountable

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Speaker 13: for her husband's actions, there's a very dangerous path ahead

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Speaker 13: down because you know, no politician can be held for

607
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Speaker 13: the actions of their family members. But that's presupposing that

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Speaker 13: this report that was carried out on Darlene Tarmer exonerated

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Speaker 13: her from any involvement in the exploitation of immigrants. So

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Speaker 13: what she would argue Sharon Green is that basically Chloe

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Speaker 13: Swarbrick and Madam Davidson was essentially playing to the media

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Speaker 13: and they were providing the answers that they believed that

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Speaker 13: the media should have and to that end, it was

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Speaker 13: really interesting in Parliament this afternoon. It was that Green's

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Speaker 13: case in court today that saw Chloe Swarbrick coming off

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Speaker 13: second best. When she was questioning our old mate Winston Peters,

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Speaker 13: who's acting for the Prime Minister today in parliament, Swarbrick

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Speaker 13: was talking about the Treaty Principals, Bill Peter's talked about

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Speaker 13: the Greens court case here they are.

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Speaker 11: Can the Prime Minister think of anything that is a

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Speaker 11: bigger waste of the public's time than allowing a six

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Speaker 11: month long select committee process on a divisive so called

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Speaker 11: Treaty Principles bill, when the majority of government has already

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Speaker 11: committed to opposing that very bill.

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Speaker 17: I can think of all sorts of court cases which

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Speaker 17: are a gross waste of the public's time and money,

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Speaker 17: and where the machi has been done when the person

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Speaker 17: not in the here and of course the court case

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Speaker 17: is now involving taxpayers paying for the court proceedings as

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Speaker 17: we speak. And that number from the Grand Party would

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Speaker 17: know all about that case, wouldn't she?

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Speaker 9: Now we're talking about Trump earlier?

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Speaker 13: Hasn't Wiston got a great way of turning the situation

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Speaker 13: around to see his own purpose.

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Speaker 2: He's done a good job. He's done a good little

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Speaker 2: jiu jitsu on her there. Hey, this regulation ministry from

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Speaker 2: David Seabells proving to be quite costly, isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Well, it is four hundred thousand dollars in consultants. It's

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Speaker 13: replacing the old Productivity Commission, so they're producing at a

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Speaker 13: lot of money for consultants, that is, but also the

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Speaker 13: ninety people that are thought to be going to be

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Speaker 13: end up being employed by them as other public servants

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Speaker 13: being laid off. Are they getting an average of one

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Speaker 13: hundred and fifty k a year. So let's hope that

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Speaker 13: this regulation Commission undoes a lot of the red tape

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Speaker 13: that David Seymour says it'll do once it's set up

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Speaker 13: and running.

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Speaker 2: Chris has suggested we should pre book Saint John and

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Speaker 2: for a be later for you for election day. How

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Speaker 2: do you feel about you ready for that?

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Speaker 9: Very good? Thank you very much, Chris.

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Speaker 2: If trug comes in, if Trump becomes in your checking out, they.

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Speaker 13: Got an email from him today and not a particularly

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Speaker 13: pleasant one either.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very so for senior political correspondent. Seven away from five.

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Speaker 18: Entertain the mic asking breakfast our favorite talk show hosts

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Speaker 18: Matt Graham Norton. Somebody asked what's it like to be famous?

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Speaker 18: And I thought your answer was brilliant, and that was,

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Speaker 18: it's like being where you are now in small town Ireland.

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Speaker 18: Everybody knows everybody it is, so.

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Speaker 19: They've just got a sweet, innocent question and be an

662
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Speaker 19: answer to it.

663
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Speaker 2: But of course, what is the answer.

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Speaker 20: To what it's like being famous?

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Speaker 19: And then it suddenly struck me, it's like bantry, where

666
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 19: you know, you try to avoid people in the supermarket

667
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 19: and everyone knows your business. So I think that's kind

668
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 19: of why I like it back here in West Cork

669
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Speaker 19: because yes, everyone knows me, but I know a lot

670
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 19: of that, so it has a logic to it.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Jaguar.

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Speaker 3: Ifplace used talk ZB.

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: Four away from five. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown. Now he's

675
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: revealed a proposal for a second harbor crossing and he

676
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: wrote about it in a he has a quite regular

677
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: column on a Sunday. He wrote about it there and

678
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: for some reason didn't get much picked up for the

679
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: last couple of days. But all of a sudden people

680
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: have started to notice it and they're talking about it

681
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: and questioning whether this is looney or actually onto something.

682
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: So basically what his idea is this right at the moment,

683
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: what we're considering in Auckland, what the government is considering,

684
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: is another harbour crossing, whether it be a bridge or

685
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: a tunnel. Now he says, forget about the tunnel miles

686
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: too expensive. What you want to do is build a

687
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: bridge from Point Sheef, just straight across the harbor to

688
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: the north shore, and where you will land if you

689
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: go straight across is Cody Point. And the beauty of

690
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Speaker 2: his idea as he sees it, because of course he

691
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: would he would consider it a beauty. The beauty of

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Speaker 2: his idea is that eighty percent of that bridge would

693
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Speaker 2: be on a reef, Meola reef, which would mean that

694
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Speaker 2: you're not having to go as far down and as

695
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: a result, the whole thing comes out a lot cheaper, right,

696
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Speaker 2: and so he reckons it's about eight percent the cost

697
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Speaker 2: of a tunnel. Is that crazy? Or is he on

698
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: to something here? We'll have a little chat to Bill McKay,

699
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: who's the architect and planning lecturer, who'll undoubtedly have something

700
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: to say about that. He's with us ten past five.

701
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: Logan Church out of the US is going to be

702
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: with us on the cats and dogs thing. This is

703
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Speaker 2: an example, right, This is an example of the text

704
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Speaker 2: I'm getting though I spoke about at the start of

705
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Speaker 2: the program. Here the Roman American citizen residing in New Zealand.

706
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Speaker 2: I'm no fan of Trump. I'm voting Democrat. However, I

707
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: have family who live in Springfield, Ohio, and according to them,

708
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: the rumors a factual. Read the cat, but it's more

709
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: to do with the ducks and the geese from the

710
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Speaker 2: public park. Although there are isolated incidents of pets being

711
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: eaten by migrants. There is police officer body camera footage

712
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: and nine to eleven audio publicly available for proof. Now,

713
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: I can't verify if this footage is real or not,

714
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: but if you google bodycam footage Police officer Springfield Animals

715
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: you will see it's there. So judge for yourself. Health

716
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Next pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

718
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Speaker 1: hither due to clan drive with one New Zealand. Let's

719
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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 9: Ustall said, be.

721
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. Do you remember those five performance targets the

722
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Speaker 2: government has set for Health New Zealand. It includes improving

723
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Speaker 2: cancer treatment, cutting emergency department wait times, cutting the time

724
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Speaker 2: you have to wait to see a specialist, and so on.

725
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Speaker 2: Health New Zealand has just today revealed how they're going

726
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: to do that. Andrew Connolly is the chief medical officer

727
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: at County's manecou Hey Andrew, hey, Heather, how are you

728
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: very well? Thank you, thanks for your time. Now you're

729
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: going to get the private hospitals to help out here.

730
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: How much more expensive is using private than public?

731
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Speaker 10: Well you'd have to ask the finance guys that, but

732
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Speaker 10: not everything's more expensive in private. I think the key

733
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Speaker 10: thing for listeners is that private has for a long

734
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 10: time been part of our materium and it's got to

735
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Speaker 10: be part of the solution to getting the waiting list down.

736
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Speaker 10: Most of the work will still be done, however in

737
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Speaker 10: public facilities. You know, we don't want to lose staff

738
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Speaker 10: to private just to do public work, et cetera.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know you guys are under the public,

740
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: but what about private? Do they have much capacity?

741
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 10: Look, I think they're obviously pretty busy if they're bit

742
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 10: of New Zealand. Healthcare occurs in private hospitals anyway. Of course,

743
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 10: most occurs in private and general practice. But from say

744
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 10: the surgical waiting list point of view, private has some capacity.

745
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 10: It probably you'd have to ask Private Surgical Association. But

746
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 10: it probably varies a bit with the economy and things,

747
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 10: you know. But we've always used some private capacity and

748
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 10: we've used it well, and that's a partnership we need

749
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 10: to keep developing to get the best for the public.

750
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Speaker 2: One of the other parts of your plan is to

751
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Speaker 2: expand the number of beds in operating theaters in hospitals

752
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,479
Speaker 2: and existing hospitals. How much is that going to cost.

753
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 10: Well, again, you really don't want me talking about money.

754
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 10: I can't balance a checkbook operating rooms much.

755
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: Well, then let me ask you this with what money

756
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: because you don't have any.

757
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, So look, operating rooms aren't cheap, so that the

758
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 10: key focus for people like me is on using our

759
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 10: existing facilities more efficiently and more effectively. So at the moment,

760
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Speaker 10: you know, we do have operating rooms that aren't fully

761
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 10: used because we don't have all the staff we need.

762
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: So which is bringing me to the next question. I

763
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: was going to ask you, with what staff because you

764
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: don't have money for staff either.

765
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Speaker 10: Well, we have to make sure we're investing in the

766
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 10: rights stuff. So that's where I think the Commissioner has

767
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 10: less believe has been very clear. Certainly, I know counties

768
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 10: we're fortunate to have more anesthetis coming. But there's also

769
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 10: things we can do to try and make our existing

770
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 10: use of the resources more efficient. And this is not

771
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 10: saying the workforce working harder, because frankly they can't. This

772
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 10: is working a bit smarter. And that's a challenge we've

773
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 10: had for many years. It's been made a lot worse

774
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 10: since we had COVID and then the border closures, border

775
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 10: reopening and things. But you know there's actually for many

776
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 10: services around the country because there's it's not just operations.

777
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 10: You obviously need to be seen in the first place,

778
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 10: to be assessed for the need for treatment and what

779
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 10: the diagnosis is. And that's called a first specialist assessment.

780
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 10: And we're actually starting to see some real progress in

781
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 10: waiting times in many service is starting to come down

782
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 10: right across the country. You know, it's it's like a

783
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 10: it's green shoots. We haven't got a fully fledged green

784
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 10: lawn yet, but it's encouraging to through the progress certainly

785
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 10: compared with a year ago.

786
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pleasing you're sounding optimistic, Andrew. I really appreciates

787
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: Doctor Andrew Connelly, Chief Medical Officer Counties manicure. Does it

788
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: sound to you like they kind of know how to

789
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: do it, but they may have a problem with money.

790
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: Eleven past five together Alga Mayre Wayne Brown's come up

791
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: with an alternative plan for a second harbor crossing for

792
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: the city here. Reckons it should go from Point chev

793
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: directly across to the north shore, which is Cody Point.

794
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: The beauty of his plan is that eighty percent of

795
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: this bridge would be built on an existing reef. Now

796
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: Bill mackay is a senior lecturer of Architecture and Planning

797
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 2: at the University of Auckland with us now hey, Bill,

798
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: he is building on the reef a smart idea.

799
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 21: Wayne Brown's an engineer and this is a real engineer's

800
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 21: approach to things, looking for the shortest point and the

801
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 21: cheapest structure rather than like the environ mental impact and

802
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 21: also tolate where is it really fit into the needs

803
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 21: for a third harber crossing?

804
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so so cost wise and simplicity. He wins

805
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: on that one. What's the problem?

806
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 21: No, because can I cost wise? He's saying, come like

807
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 21: a bridge rather than a tunnel, But he's not taking

808
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 21: into account I don't think the approaches to it.

809
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: You need feeder roads into point cheven out the outside, building.

810
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 21: A motorway right up in the middle of Puince Sheverley Road,

811
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 21: acquiring what's properties that kind of thing. John Tammerherry is

812
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 21: a mayoral election election or two ago. He was talking

813
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 21: about the double decker bridge. Looks good in the diagram,

814
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 21: but when you think about the approaches, how do we

815
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 21: get the cars there? Detracts all of that kind of thing.

816
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 21: It becomes much much.

817
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: Give it a score out of ten for me?

818
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 21: Bill four?

819
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: Why so long?

820
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 21: Because he's not also taken into account the environmental impact.

821
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh never mind that, take that out, Bill, Assume I

822
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: don't care because I got If you take the environment out,

823
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: what what score are you giving it?

824
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: Now?

825
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 21: Okay, Well, have a look at all the Auckland motorways

826
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 21: and there is one thing that determines the path of

827
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 21: the motorway and Auckland. The least the path is least

828
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 21: political resistance. Yeah, so can I. Motorways go through mangroves,

829
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 21: they go through cemeteries, they go through places where poor

830
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 21: people live. They do not go through middle class or

831
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 21: can ike you know, the middle.

832
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: Class suburbs like Point shap or reefs where the greenees

833
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: are going.

834
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 21: To get and time is also money, so can like

835
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 21: you know, the pushback from the locals and all of

836
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 21: that kind of thing means, you know, it's a high.

837
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you, really appreciable. MacKaye,

838
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Senior Lecture of Architecture and Planning, University of Auckland. So

839
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: it sounds like actually is a good idea, But the

840
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: nimbies and the Greenees are gonna have a winge about it. Hey,

841
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: what was I going to tell you about? Oh country, Kindia,

842
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: Manawa two stand by. I'm going to get to it

843
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: in the next hour. Great news there fourteen past five, Right,

844
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: it's seventeen past five. So here's the question. How did

845
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: Donald Trump get to the point where he said this

846
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: in the debate last night in Springfield?

847
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Speaker 7: They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're

848
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 7: eating the cats, They're eating they're eating the pets of

849
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 7: the people that live there.

850
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: One news correspondent, Logan Church was at the debate. Hey, Logan,

851
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: good evening, Logan. This has come from that Facebook page,

852
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: a from the Springfield Local Private Facebook page, and it's

853
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: just gone from there.

854
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

855
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 22: I came originally from a social media post where someone

856
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 22: site that a friend of a neighbors also claims that

857
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 22: the cats have been found carved up to be easan

858
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 22: and the remains hanging from a branch of a Haitian

859
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 22: person's home. Now, I need to be very clear, there

860
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 22: was absolutely no proof or evidence of anything like this

861
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 22: actually happening, but that rumor started spreading like wildfire online,

862
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 22: particularly among conservative circles.

863
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 5: There were claims.

864
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 22: About other cats and dogs, and then there were geese

865
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 22: apparently being beheaded in the park. And I was actually

866
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 22: at my desk the other day, a couple of days

867
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 22: before the debates, and I saw the rumor published as

868
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 22: fact by newsletters affiliates with the Donald Trump campaign. So

869
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 22: this essentially internet conspiracy, then stars had been repeated the

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 22: basin by a a political candidate in this highly contentious

871
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 22: political race. Now, as with every conspiracy theory, there is

872
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 22: always a kernel of truth, and there is a kernel

873
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 22: of truth from this one, and it's got nothing to

874
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 22: do with dead cats and dogs and geese. It is

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Speaker 22: to do with the fact that the small city of

876
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 22: Springfield does have challenges worth dealing with the and influx

877
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 22: of migrants. Now they're all there perfectly legally, but there

878
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 22: are oracles, challenges of having large numbers of people come

879
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 22: and cecil in a sse many cities across America and

880
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 22: the world. I'm dealing with this problem. But then Donald

881
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 22: Trump comes onto the presidential debate stage and repeats this

882
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 22: conspiracy theory. And it gets even more bizarre from there,

883
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 22: because you heard from Donald Trump before what exactly he said. Now,

884
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 22: straight after that one of the Modern Racers jumped in

885
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 22: and fact checked them, saying, well, the ABC News vision

886
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 22: had contacted the local city authorities and they said there

887
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 22: were no reports of anything like this actually happening. And

888
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 22: Donald Trump then said, well, he saw the claims been

889
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 22: talked about us on television. That was his proof that

890
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 22: he said live in the debates. So today, the poor

891
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 22: cissy manager of the city of Springfield actually put our

892
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 22: video statement saying, and I'm going to quote here, it

893
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 22: is disappointing that many of the narratives surrounding our sec

894
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 22: has been skewed by misinformation circulating on social media and

895
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 22: amplified by political rhetoric and the highly charged presidential election cycles.

896
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 22: So a conspiracy theory that started in a small city

897
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 22: that's now gone around the world and back again.

898
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: Now, logan, I don't want to sound like I believe it,

899
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: but I've got to ask this question. Okay, they are

900
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: saying that there is no evidence to prove that this

901
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: is happening, But can they say it definitely isn't happening.

902
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: You see the distinction.

903
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 22: Well, jd Vance, the VP pick for Joe Biden, was

904
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 22: asked about this on CNN last night after the debate,

905
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 22: and he said exactly the same thing. He said, oh, well,

906
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 22: the local officials, and I'm summarizing here, but local officials

907
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 22: say there are no reports. That doesn't mean it's actually happening,

908
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 22: and that he said that his constituents on the ground,

909
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 22: the people he were talking to, say that it was

910
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 22: happening through first and second hand accounts. But I have

911
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 22: to reiterate that reporters have been on the ground there.

912
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 22: Even though jd. Vance challenged reports too gone the ground

913
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 22: to investigate it themselves, they have been there and there

914
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 22: has been no evidence that has emerged showing that migrants

915
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 22: have been beheading geese in the local park. At this stage,

916
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 22: it remains a conspiracy theory. That is all that it remains.

917
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 22: Yet it is created has I guess, developed into this

918
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 22: life of its own after this presidential debate. Has been

919
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 22: quite astonishing to watch. And I think just listening to

920
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 22: the you know, the local city official. He gave out

921
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 22: that statement, and then he continued on for the next

922
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 22: two minutes or so talking about all the wonderful things

923
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 22: about Springfield, and I almost felt sorry for the guy,

924
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 22: because now if anybody thinks about the city of Springfield

925
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 22: and Ohio. The only thing they think about is beheaded

926
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 22: cats and dogs and geese. So you know, certainly a

927
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 22: very bizarre turn and this very serious presidential debate.

928
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Speaker 2: You have very good point, Logan, thank you very much.

929
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: Logan church One uses US correspondent. According to Snopes Page right,

930
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: Snope says the fact checking this is read the book

931
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: body camfoot of just telling you about before that bodycam

932
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: footage is real and the woman did what was it

933
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: was accused of killing and eating a cat, but it

934
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: was not in Springfield. It was in another place, and

935
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: she was not Haitian. She was American. Five twenty one.

936
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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

937
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

938
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: youth talks.

939
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: That'd be twenty four past five. Can I just tell

940
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: you how many texts I'm getting about Donald Trump? As

941
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: I said yesterday, I am shocked at how like badly shocked,

942
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: just surprised at how into this particular election we are.

943
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: We really are quite invested in it. Listen to this

944
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: debate over in Australia about banning the social media for kids.

945
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it a lot. I'm sure many

946
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: parents have actually about what the best way to deal

947
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: with the social media is, whether you ban it or

948
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: do something else. And today I came across an article

949
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: that I think makes the best comparison yet for how

950
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: we should treat social media for kids, and that is

951
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: treated like sex. Now, this particular article, and I'll explain,

952
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: but this particular article is by an academic and Australia.

953
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: What she argues is that the best way to protect

954
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: kids from social media is by teaching them it's dangers,

955
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: kind of like we do with sex. Because I think

956
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: we now know that banning sex for teens doesn't work right,

957
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: celibacy all the way through marriages, just as a looney

958
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: idea doesn't work. The best way to deal with it

959
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: is the way that we do deal with it at

960
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: the moment, which is sex education. We teach kids how

961
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: the whole thing works, We teach them how to be safe,

962
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: and most kids actually do end up being completely fine.

963
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: And that, she says, is how we should treat social media.

964
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Teach the kids how it works, Teach them about the

965
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: algorithms that will push information at you. Teach them if

966
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: they click something, you'll get more of the same.

967
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 5: Thing.

968
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: Teach them how the perfect model lined by the pool

969
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: with her perfect boyfriend on the perfect holiday is just

970
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: a photo. It's not real. And then teach them how

971
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: to be safe when they're using it, how to not

972
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 2: look at certain things, how to talk about the things

973
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: that they see that upset them, and so on and

974
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: so on. Right, but here's the next step with it.

975
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: With sex, we do ban it as well, don't we.

976
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: We say kids under sixteen cannot legally have sex. We

977
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: put these guardrails in. I think to take this comparison further,

978
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: I think that we should do that with social media too,

979
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: if only as a guardrail kids under whatever age we

980
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 2: decide no social media same as we decide no sex

981
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: allowed to happen legally, as I say, ban it. Knowing

982
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: the ban is just a guardrail. It's not gonna work

983
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: for most kids. They are going to flout it. But

984
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: just like because it doesn't work with sex, it's not

985
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: going to work with social media. But then we educate

986
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: them as well, And that is the most important part.

987
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: If we think about it like that, like kids are

988
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: going to do this thing that you don't want them

989
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: to do, and that you're banning them from doing it.

990
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: They're going to do it anyway. Then you understand, the

991
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: best thing that you can do as a parent and

992
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: as an educator and as a country is teacher kids

993
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: how to do it safely.

994
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: Ever do for c Allen.

995
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: Apparently Google is playing very very hardball with the government

996
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: over the government's plans to make them pay for media

997
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 2: remember pay the media companies for news content. Apparently they're

998
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: threatening to pull out of the country altogether. Shane Curry

999
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: is going to talk us through that. After the headlines.

1000
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: Now here's the news on Country Kindy in the manner

1001
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: were two. Do you remember this? This is the early

1002
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: childhood center that the Ministry of Education tried to shut

1003
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: down because it hadn't done its paperwork, stupid things like writing.

1004
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: They didn't write its mission statement. Who cares. Country Kindy

1005
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: has just today got the news. It's been safe, it saved,

1006
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: it's got its operating license back, it's allowed to stay open.

1007
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: This is because after the Education Ministry tried to shut

1008
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: it down and literally gave it just a few days

1009
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: to stay open. Country Kendy went to court forced the

1010
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: Education Ministry to go back and have a look. I understand.

1011
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: David Seymour also told the Education Ministry maybe they want

1012
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: to go back out on another look. They had another look,

1013
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: they realized they'd done the wrong thing and actually the

1014
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: country kindy guys had complied with all the conditions and

1015
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: should never have been shut down. Confidence in them not

1016
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: at all. Headlines.

1017
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather duple

1018
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1019
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: and news talk.

1020
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: Z'd be, Hey, how you think about this? Okay? Would

1021
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: you put air tags on your children to know where

1022
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: they are? Like air tags?

1023
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 23: Are you know?

1024
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: You know air tags? AirTags? You put them on your keys,

1025
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: you put them in the car, they put them on

1026
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: the luggage and stuff. Would you put them on your

1027
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: children to know where they are? And the reason I'm

1028
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: asking this is because Zara and Mike Tindall stick them

1029
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: on their kids as old as ten. I want to

1030
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: know what you think. We're going to talk to heart.

1031
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: I'm conflicted on this and we're to talk to the

1032
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: huddle about it shortly. Also, GJ. Gardner some fantastic news

1033
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: from them, talk about it up to six o'clock. They're

1034
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: basically planning on expanding so you're gonna want to hear

1035
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: this because geez, do we need some good news at

1036
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: the moment. Huddle is standing by right now. It's twenty

1037
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: four away from six for see how There are reports

1038
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: that Google is threatening to pull out of New Zealand

1039
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: altogether because of the government's plan to make it pay

1040
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: media companies for news content. Clearly not happy about this.

1041
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: End zied me. Media columnist Shane Curry broke the news

1042
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: this morning and he's with us. Now, Hey, Shane, They're

1043
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: not gonna put allowed, are they?

1044
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 24: I don't think so. But you know, in any negotiations

1045
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 24: like this, they will certainly be reviewing their stants. I've

1046
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 24: actually said publicly in their submission to Parliament for the

1047
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 24: Fair Digital News Bill that they will need to review

1048
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 24: operations in New Zealand if the bill goes ahead. And

1049
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 24: of course we know the bill is going to go ahead.

1050
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 24: National has picked it up, and so Google quite rightly,

1051
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 24: quite expectedly, is now maneuvering its position.

1052
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: But review operations could mean anything, couldn't It could mean

1053
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: taking away the news tabs or whatever they do, pulling

1054
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: out all together.

1055
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 24: What's the most absolutely absolutely right now, they have a

1056
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 24: lot of deals with media companies are very proud of

1057
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 24: those and that includes you know, the likes of Ented

1058
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 24: Me stuff, spin Off Newsroom. They all have deals where

1059
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 24: they get a little bit of money to display their

1060
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 24: news and what they call the Google News Showcase. The

1061
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 24: publishers argue, although none of them are actually talking because

1062
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 24: they have lots of non disclosure agreements, but industry sources

1063
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 24: are telling me that, you know, they expect the publishers

1064
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 24: expect to get received a lot more money as a

1065
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 24: result of the Fair Digital News Bill. And so that's why,

1066
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 24: you know, they've been amping for that for so long.

1067
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 24: That's why the government has listened, and that's why Google

1068
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 24: is angry.

1069
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, Google has up to now been the good guys,

1070
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: right because Facebook have been the bad guys, shutting down

1071
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: operations and places like Canada. Google's been the good guys.

1072
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: Are they putting that at risk with threats like this?

1073
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 24: I think Google have certainly, compared to Meta, compared to Facebook,

1074
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 24: have certainly been a lot more forthright and supportive of

1075
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 24: the New Zealand media industry. And that's just as a

1076
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 24: casual observer. As a media columnist, you know, I talked

1077
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 24: to exex all the time and Google have certainly been supportive.

1078
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 24: But as I say, that's also there's been a lot

1079
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 24: of pr around that. If you look at the deals

1080
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 24: that they've done in Australia and even Canada, there's a

1081
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 24: lot more money that's at state here that can be

1082
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 24: I think they made a million. They made a billion

1083
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 24: dollars last year in New Zealand. We're talking here at

1084
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 24: the moment. They fund New Zealand media companies with their

1085
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 24: different initiatives and sothing to the churn of just a

1086
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 24: few several million dollars, really only several not even as

1087
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 24: far as again it's all part of a non disclosure agreement.

1088
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 24: No one is telling me the exacts are title, aren't

1089
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Speaker 24: they really about? What is interesting now is Google is

1090
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 24: going straight to Goldsmith, straight to Luxen and writing to

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00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 24: them directly about you know that even though the bill

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00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 24: is now passing through Parliament, Google is still in their ears. Yeah,

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00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 24: the cabinet paper hasn't been released. It was expected to

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00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 24: be released last month. The government's holding off and releasing

1095
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Speaker 24: it for some reason. And so we've got Official Information

1096
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 24: Act requests in for that kind of thing. But certainly

1097
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 24: the officials are willing to know scrambling.

1098
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: Tell me what you think. Okay, this hasn't worked. I

1099
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: would argue in any anywhere else where it's been tried,

1100
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: Australia and Canada is going to work now.

1101
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 5: It is working.

1102
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 9: It is working where.

1103
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 24: I know there's a lot of controversy about a lot

1104
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 24: of comment, but there's certainly a lot more money you

1105
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 24: now been given to the media companies where individually Australia Canada.

1106
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 24: You can't say the pool of money in Canada.

1107
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean you've got mixed, tiny little media outlets falling

1108
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: over because I haven't got the Facebook trainer.

1109
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 24: They've got a hunt. There's now a pool. Even though

1110
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 24: Google is exempt from that law. Yeah, they have still

1111
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 24: agreed to one hundred million dollars a year to publishers

1112
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 24: in Canada. I know they are, but that is one

1113
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 24: hundred million dollars more than they were getting previous.

1114
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So you would argue that in both of these

1115
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: jurisdictions this law as well, we.

1116
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 24: Have Google and Australia's doing their own individual deals.

1117
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 5: Yes.

1118
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 24: Yeah, as a result of that legislation, Googlers had to

1119
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 24: come to the negotiation table.

1120
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: And it will work here, yes, Okay, And my view guys, Well,

1121
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: why not have a view. You've been around long enough

1122
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: to have a view. Shane, Thank you. I appreciate your

1123
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: take on it. That's Shane Curry who's in Zibny's media columnist.

1124
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: You can catch his media inside it all the time.

1125
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it comes out irregularly. It just

1126
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: comes out all the time, and it's brilliant. Twenty away

1127
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: from six the Huddle.

1128
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's international Realty unparalleled reach and results.

1129
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: All right on the Huddle with me this evening and

1130
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: got Tim Wilson Maxim Institute and Alie Jones read Pierre,

1131
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: Hello you two.

1132
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 9: Hi Heather?

1133
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: Right, Ali, how's it going Halo? Very well?

1134
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 5: Thank you?

1135
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 10: Tim?

1136
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: Answer this question from me, Ali, Why does anyone support

1137
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: someone who says things as stupid as Donald Trump does?

1138
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 9: What a forest gun say stupid? Is a stupid?

1139
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 16: Does?

1140
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean?

1141
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: Honestly? I think the point I.

1142
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 9: Look, he could say anything, couldn't he?

1143
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 2: He could say anything?

1144
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 20: But what's the What's more interesting I think than this

1145
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 20: cat and dog rubbish is the comment about she wants

1146
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 20: to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison, right,

1147
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 20: because that's the other thing that people are going, You've

1148
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 20: got to be kidding, But I look, I don't. I

1149
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 20: don't think that he could say anything that could be

1150
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 20: considered too mad for people to believe his people will

1151
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 20: believe anything.

1152
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right, Tim, Do you agree with that?

1153
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 23: No?

1154
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 10: I don't.

1155
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 23: I don't think believe anything. What we're seeing here, though,

1156
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 23: is is Donald Trump. We're all talking about Donald Trump

1157
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 23: the day after the debate. It's the unearned media difference. Yes,

1158
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 23: so I think with the Hillary Clinton campaign and you

1159
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 23: rate her, but earlier it's like, why the hell are

1160
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 23: we talking about this, Heather? And it works for Trump.

1161
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 23: It gives him visibility, it gives him cut through for

1162
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 23: one of a better word, and I just I would say,

1163
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 23: you know, okay, so Trump Trump said something that was

1164
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 23: I think it well clearly unsupported, unsupportable, possibly a conspiracy theory.

1165
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 23: But Kamala Harris needed to be fact checked on all

1166
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 23: the FIBs that she was saying about the US Army,

1167
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 23: not an active duty not true. Guns are I'm pro guns,

1168
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 23: actually mandatory buyback supported them in twenty nineteen. Abortion are

1169
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 23: actually her running mate, You have just.

1170
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: Struck on something that is absolutely fascinating, tim Right, those

1171
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: two ABC moderators only fact checking him, didn't fact check her,

1172
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: And because of that five times, yep, people watching, people

1173
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: watching who are leaning towards Trump will go, yeah, well,

1174
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 2: there's your media bias. So I'm not going to listen

1175
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: to you any more meat, mainstream media, and for that reason,

1176
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: they just choose to ignore. You can fact check the

1177
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: hell out of him. Nobody cares in his support base

1178
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: because your bias is on show.

1179
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah.

1180
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 23: And I think also it's attitudes to authority. So people

1181
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 23: are drawn to Trump because he seems he seems to

1182
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 23: he not seem to. He questions authority. So when you

1183
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 23: see authority figures like those quote unquote moderators fact checking

1184
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 23: him for five times, letting Kamala run, you know, run

1185
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 23: a bit loose, let's say, then they're going to go,

1186
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 23: my sympathies are with this guy.

1187
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1188
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 20: At what point?

1189
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: Though?

1190
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 23: At what point?

1191
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 20: And it's Karmala by the way, I just want to

1192
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 20: mention that Karmala, Karmala, I'm sounding like, try bad, yeah, yeah, no, No,

1193
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 20: At what point do people go you are an absolute

1194
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 20: raving lunatic. You want to you're saying she will kill

1195
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 20: babies at nine months. So I do take your point

1196
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 20: that you know, he's challenging authority and people love that

1197
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 20: and it's a bit of dog whistle stuff, But at

1198
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 20: what point will people start to go, you are an

1199
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 20: absolute lunatic.

1200
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: This is what this is. This is what I'm saying, Allie,

1201
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: is that people do not think he's a lunatic because

1202
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: they go on the Internet and they find the tiniest

1203
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: spheric of evidence that suggests that there may be a

1204
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: bit of truth to what he's saying. And that's enough.

1205
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: And because they don't trust the mainstream media anymore, and

1206
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 2: that is our own fault, they actually choose to trust

1207
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: him over us, God help us all.

1208
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 23: Well, but the fact is, but like so so for example,

1209
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 23: with that with the abortion thing, late term abortion, Okay,

1210
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 23: he said executed, that's the wrong thing, but babies are

1211
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 23: left to die. And her running mate Tim Wolds actually

1212
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 23: took the reporting of this out of the legislation in

1213
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 23: the state he was governor of. So there is there

1214
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 23: is a there is a different that.

1215
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's clear.

1216
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 23: It's not it's not as clear cut as as she

1217
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 23: is making out or as he is making out. But

1218
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 23: there's a scarek there.

1219
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alie does it answer? Do you feel like you

1220
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: can understand it a bit better now?

1221
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1222
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 20: I can, But I still think you are not going

1223
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 20: to change these people's minds at all. I mean, I

1224
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 20: was thrilled to actually see someone come up against Trump

1225
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 20: who could actually put some words together and and you.

1226
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: Know, have a reasonably coherent argument. I think, please think

1227
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: about it. It was a low bar, wasn't it. All Right,

1228
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: we'll take a break and you guys come back and

1229
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: just to tick. It's our huddle this evening.

1230
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional Market

1231
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: for Every Property.

1232
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson Allie Jones back on the Huddle of that's

1233
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: listened to Tim. I spoke to Health New Zealand Andrew

1234
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: Connolly at the start of this hour. I'm not convinced

1235
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: by their plan for how they're going to get on

1236
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: top of things and reduce all of those those targets

1237
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: that they're supposed to because while they have a kind

1238
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: of outline of what to do, there's no there's no

1239
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: flesh on those bones. They don't even where they're gonna

1240
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: get the money from.

1241
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 23: Did you did you Did you ask about timelines.

1242
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: No, I didn't ask about timelines. I got stuck on money.

1243
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 13: See.

1244
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, well that's that's the that's the bit that

1245
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 23: seems to be missing, because you know, everyone knows that. Okay,

1246
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 23: it's great to have a target, and I love the

1247
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 23: target because we can hold them accountable, et cetera, et cetera.

1248
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 23: But I don't have a timeline, then you don't really

1249
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 23: have a target.

1250
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, this is true, Ali, Did you feel convinced it all?

1251
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: No?

1252
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 20: No, I agree with tim I think targets are good.

1253
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 20: But I do think as well that the one of

1254
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 20: the biggest uses retention. It's all very well and good

1255
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 20: to talk about recruiting, and you know, but we would

1256
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 20: we would need to recruit far fewer if we actually

1257
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 20: retained people a lot more. Did I hear that it

1258
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 20: takes sixteen years to actually train an oncologist in this

1259
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 20: country and we're just losing them to overseas? I did

1260
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 20: hear as far as timelines go?

1261
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 5: They did?

1262
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 20: They not say that Fatorara had inputs some details and

1263
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 20: data from July one, which gave them a base to

1264
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 20: work from. Yeah, but I haven't heard though, tim what beyond.

1265
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: July one is the date that they're going going to

1266
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: review those. But look, I agree with you. I think

1267
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: we've got to have target so that we can hold

1268
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: people again. You're too right, Tim. I love the sound

1269
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: of the second harbor bridge that goes through Point Chevalier,

1270
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: comes out the other side at Cody Point, drives over

1271
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: a reef. What do you reckon?

1272
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 16: Oh?

1273
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 23: Look the part of the poll on the Indied Hero website,

1274
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 23: there's sixty percent is in favor of it and twenty

1275
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 23: I think twenty percent hate it and fourteen percent of

1276
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 23: like eli they don't care because they probably live in

1277
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 23: christ Church. But no, I think it sounds like a

1278
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 23: great idea.

1279
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 20: Yeah, well one of the issues for someone down here

1280
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 20: because I don't kind of I don't get it. So

1281
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 20: if people are really liking it, if people are really

1282
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 20: liking it, what are the twenty percent pushing back against?

1283
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 20: Is it an environmental issue?

1284
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what you'll have is you'll have like reef

1285
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: lovers who will be really upset that we're gonna up,

1286
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna bust up the ecology

1287
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: of the reef. But also, Alie, you have got all

1288
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: of these people in Point chev who are bloody noisy

1289
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: because they have been winging about the roads there for

1290
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: the longest time, and now they're going to just keep

1291
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: on winging to the Herald about their houses being sold

1292
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: in emotional great big motorway going through their suburb. That's

1293
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: what it's going to be, nimbi, isn't it.

1294
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 23: I thought I thought they were into it. I had

1295
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 23: a local resident, Midiarma Alexander was quoted as saying, it's

1296
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 23: a good idea.

1297
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh I thought I read the opposite alternative facts, tim what, well,

1298
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: how did we I'm gonna have to go, you know what,

1299
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go and dig this out

1300
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: because somehow we've interpreted the same information completely opposite. So,

1301
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: oh no, you know what.

1302
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 23: You know what's happening. It's a Trump situation.

1303
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

1304
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 23: Well, now we go when we have to go back

1305
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 23: to talking about Donald Trump.

1306
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, hey, okay, what do you what do

1307
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: you think? Allie of Mike and Zara Tindall air tagging

1308
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: their kids, can you tell me have they told the kids?

1309
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 20: I haven't had a chance to look at the story yet, because.

1310
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 2: That's the key to me. Yes, So that the ten

1311
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: year old Miya has got the air tag clipped to

1312
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: the kind of like you know, the little the belt

1313
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: loop on her jeans, so like, unless she's dumb, she

1314
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: knows it's there. Stupid, stupid.

1315
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 20: Yeah, no, look, I don't have a problem with it

1316
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 20: at all. I think the issue is if you're going

1317
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 20: to hide it or sew it into the inside of

1318
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 20: the lining of the backpack, that's probably a bit sneaky.

1319
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 20: But I think that you there's not a problem with that.

1320
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 20: I think you should give them to your kids, give

1321
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 20: them to your husband, any other family members that you

1322
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 20: may need, to pets, whatever, But as long as they

1323
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 20: know that's the key, I've got a problem with it.

1324
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 23: Okay, what do you think, Tim, Well, we've already done it.

1325
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 23: We've actually surgically done it for all of our kids.

1326
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 23: They're all air tagged.

1327
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 25: And here's the deal.

1328
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 23: What we did was we put a sheepskin over them,

1329
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 23: we got them to say meow, and we took them

1330
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 23: to the the guy gave them for twenty five bucks each.

1331
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous on because it's a real conundrum for a parent,

1332
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: right because Allie, you I'm going to come to you,

1333
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: because Tim's obviously being ridiculous. Allie, it's a conundrum because

1334
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: you want your child. You don't want your child wandering

1335
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: off in a mall and then losing them, and the

1336
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: air tag will help you to find them. But at

1337
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: some point you also have to let them be their

1338
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: own person and be answerable for Yeah, you can't. Who

1339
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: wants to helicopter the helicopter parent them forever.

1340
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 20: I don't think it's helicopter parenting them at all, as

1341
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 20: long as they know what's hell?

1342
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: What age do you what age do you stop the

1343
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: air tagging?

1344
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 20: I would say, you know, plucking a figure out of

1345
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 20: the air about fourteen.

1346
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 23: And I'm very when you send them, when you send

1347
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 23: them to Europe for a holiday like yourself.

1348
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 20: No, And I'm very very supportive of kids harnesses. I

1349
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 20: think you know, children as well should be harnessed so.

1350
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 23: They can be Oh my goodness, too much.

1351
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: Judge stuff going on here, Ali, have you.

1352
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: Ever done that?

1353
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 23: We did that in the more and we were so

1354
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 23: like with one of our kids and it was like

1355
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 23: a little fox and it's quite cute.

1356
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 3: And but the eyes, the eyes.

1357
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: You care too much, Tim, You care too much what

1358
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: other people think.

1359
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 20: Yeah, but Tim would you ever go up to someone

1360
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 20: and say what are you looking at? I mean, would

1361
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 20: you ever hold someone up on it? Because man, if

1362
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 20: someone rolls their eyes at me or looks at me

1363
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 20: like that, then I will say to them, what are

1364
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 20: you looking at?

1365
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1366
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, Allie going out with here, Doggie doggy. All right,

1367
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: you two, It's good to talk to you. Thank you

1368
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: very much. It's Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute. Allie Jones red

1369
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: PR eight away from six.

1370
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1371
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c allan

1372
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business

1373
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: News Talk.

1374
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what Tim was talking about. I

1375
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: went back and had a look at what Marianna Alexander

1376
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: the point Chevy is that residents said and is she

1377
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: not happy about this at all? She said those living

1378
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: in the suburb already experiencing significant disruptions in the community

1379
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: with the Meola road closures and the restriction. Sy I

1380
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: told you it's all about the roads already. She said,

1381
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 2: this would lead to more disruptions that residents were deeply

1382
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: unhappy about. She wants fairies. Oh doesn't that grind a

1383
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: gears when somebody comes up with an idea and then

1384
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: somebody said, no, I don't like that idea. What about

1385
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: a gondola And you're like, h no, that's a dumb idea, Heather.

1386
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: It is ridiculous putting air tags on kids. We used

1387
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: to walk to school every day without them. How silly, Heather.

1388
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: This is not a joke. You're chipping your kid. It's

1389
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: not surgically, but essentially geez hea. The fourteen is when

1390
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: you need to start putting these things. I'll tell you what.

1391
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: If there is one thing I never ever want to

1392
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: be in my life, I am allergic to the idea

1393
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 2: of a helicopter parent. I will rather let my child

1394
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: fall in a pool like with supervision. Obviously, I'd rather

1395
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: let him fall in the pool and learn about the

1396
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: hazards of the pool than stop him falling in the

1397
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: pool by like hovering around him. How exhausting. So for

1398
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: that reason, I really want to resist this air tag thing,

1399
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: because I just don't want to have to spend all

1400
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: of my mental energy freaking out about my child. The

1401
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: hold out seems deeply, deeply unhealthy, and I feel like

1402
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: this is a real weird thing. We've gotten too in

1403
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: the twenty first century. I'm not entirely sure that that

1404
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: the technology is assisting us on this. I also reserve

1405
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: the option to change my opinion later on when he

1406
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: starts dating girls and wanting to you know, you know,

1407
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: then I might even tag the hell out of him.

1408
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: Four away from six. Coal was That's right, Coal watches

1409
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: back because guess how much coal we burned this winter

1410
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: between April and June. And by the way, that's not

1411
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: even the cold part of winter, but it's the only

1412
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: one we've got data for. Between April and June, we

1413
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: burned five times more coal than we burned during this

1414
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: same period last year, five times. Our coal use in

1415
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four was up five hundred percent. We can

1416
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: thank coal between those three months for eight percent of

1417
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: the electricity that we use it. That's two hours every day,

1418
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: So two hours out of you'll day when you're turning

1419
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: on your heater and your lighter lights, and your dryer

1420
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: and your washing machine and your dishwasher and your oven

1421
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: brought to you by coal. Just remember this when Chris

1422
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: Hopkins and Meghan Woods tell us that they stand by

1423
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: their decision to get rid of gas. Out of this country.

1424
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: Just remember coal went up five times this year. That's right,

1425
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: gas or coal? Much of a muchness, isn't it? Gas

1426
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: or coal? Yeah, well done, guys, Well done.

1427
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 23: GJ.

1428
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: Gardener's with us next because even though things are going

1429
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: difficult at the moment, badly, you could say, for the

1430
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 2: housing market, GJ. Gardner is going to expand. It's the

1431
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: old user downturn to your own advantage trick. Going to

1432
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: talk us through it very shortly used talks EB.

1433
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: What's up, what's down?

1434
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 5: What were to make your coals?

1435
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy? Business question is

1436
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with the duplicy Allen and my

1437
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: ahor on USOXB.

1438
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Chocolate's gone up

1439
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: in price, so has olive oil. Liam Dan on the

1440
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: big movers in the food group. SpaceX has just delayed

1441
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: the spacewalk that was supposed to happen in the next hour.

1442
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: We're going to get you across the details after half

1443
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: past six, and we'll also have a chat to Jamie

1444
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: McKay and End de Brady. It's seven past six now.

1445
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: New Zealand's biggest residential builder has announced plans to get

1446
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: even bigger. GJ Gardner Homes wants to grow from thirty

1447
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: one franchises to forty in the next year. It's interesting

1448
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: timing considering that the housing market isn't in the greatest

1449
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: shape at the moment. Grant Portius is the joint managing

1450
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: director of Deacon Holmes, which is GJ. Gardner's master franchiser.

1451
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 25: Hey grunt, Hello here they how are you very well?

1452
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 23: Thank you?

1453
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 2: As I just said it interesting timing. So is this

1454
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: a case of you guys taking advantage of a downturn?

1455
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 25: I think there's a lot of things involved. So people

1456
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 25: will lose. One of the fact that in the downturn,

1457
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 25: they're still demand for housing. It's just a best threat amount.

1458
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 25: So you need to be more competitive to make sure

1459
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 25: you get your share and look after your businesses.

1460
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: How do you even have the ability to do it

1461
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: given that, I mean, you guys must have taken a knock.

1462
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 25: Given what's going on we have, we'd be about a

1463
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 25: third down I think is and reported. However, the way

1464
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 25: we do this is we just keep looking for opportunity

1465
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 25: and we measure the calls we're getting to our franchisees.

1466
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 25: It's surrounding franchisees and new areas, or to a head office,

1467
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 25: go and do some analysis in an area. You look

1468
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 25: at the competition in the area and you're back to

1469
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 25: yourself that you can, with the right people move in

1470
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 25: and create a new business in that area. And we've

1471
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 25: got new misproven success models and achieving that.

1472
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: And so is it a case of because others are

1473
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: hurting at retrenching and maybe even going under, that leaves

1474
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 2: market share for you guys to take advantage of it.

1475
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 25: Certainly does. We are New Zealand's biggest build or we

1476
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 25: have a very competitive proposition and it's not always about

1477
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 25: wanting to hurt others. It's about a market meeting good

1478
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 25: competitive housing as we know across New Zealand, and we're

1479
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 25: a business that can do that. So it's matching ourselves

1480
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 25: in the systems we provide with a very good local

1481
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 25: cup who often need a hand up to move from

1482
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 25: being very good builders of a few homes to having

1483
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 25: the capability to build forty or fifty homes for their

1484
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 25: region and their area.

1485
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 2: Grant I see that you say that there is strong

1486
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: demand for growth in regions, especially outside of Auckland. Are

1487
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: you seeing a different story emerging here between what's happening

1488
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: in Auckland what's happening outside of Auckland.

1489
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 25: Yes, certainly the Auckland market remains challenging. Land remains challenging

1490
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 25: and new land coming on streams maybe some time. And

1491
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 25: I think as we all know, there has been a

1492
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 25: lot of people moving from Auckland and taking the advantage

1493
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 25: of of going to regions where land's cheaper, so you're

1494
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 25: in housing product comes through the better price and just

1495
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 25: for that quality of life away from some of the

1496
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 25: challenges we face living in Auckland.

1497
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: Are you still seeing you know that thing that happened

1498
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: during lockdown where everybody wanted to move to the Coramandal

1499
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: because you know you could have a beautiful life, good

1500
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: life balance and still be able to work remotely. Is

1501
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: that still happening.

1502
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 25: Well, I don't think it's quite so much that people

1503
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 25: are looking to move to those resort pliant places, but

1504
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 25: it we have the franchise and the Coramant forms very well,

1505
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 25: but more christ you just become a market with the rebuild.

1506
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 25: It's a modern city. There's a lot of opportunity and

1507
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 25: a lot of growth, and I do think New Zealanders

1508
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 25: are starting to really see out in the rural regions.

1509
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 25: It's not just about affordability, and it's not and the

1510
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 25: work opportunities that do exist. It's all about lifestyle, getting

1511
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 25: connecting back to nature, getting out of mountain bikes and

1512
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 25: enjoying all those sorts of things. And I think people

1513
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 25: from COVID is the alying the fact that they want

1514
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 25: to work to live, not live to work.

1515
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1516
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: Look, I look at what's happening in the housing market

1517
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Speaker 2: and measures that have been taken by the likes of

1518
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank and the government and stuff like that,

1519
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 2: the detis and all that kind of stuff. I do

1520
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: not see the market ever picking up and running as

1521
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: full noise hot as it has in the past.

1522
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 25: What do you think I'd support you with that? I

1523
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 25: think anything have to realize that when we had demand

1524
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 25: of fifty thousand permits, we were never building to that level.

1525
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 25: At best, we had a capability in New Zealand of

1526
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 25: around thirty five thousand permits. And I never look and say, well,

1527
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 25: the best decade was this, So that's going to push

1528
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 25: repeat Once we come out of this lower time, you

1529
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 25: look and assess, well, what's in front of us and

1530
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 25: what can we do and what games can we play

1531
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 25: to participate in that. So part of that for us

1532
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 25: is about being growing our skill set, grown our resources,

1533
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 25: moving into density building, moving with the new typologies that

1534
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 25: are coming available, and looking where we can help in

1535
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 25: that area to build homes with great amenity, but medium

1536
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 25: density and homes that people can enjoy it.

1537
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: How long do you think before the market does start

1538
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: picking up.

1539
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 25: We have seen a list right now, and I'm not

1540
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 25: saying that just to be positive. I'm the new Plymouth

1541
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 25: as I speak to you, I've just come from a

1542
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 25: new show home where they're actually thinking about asking through

1543
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 25: make appointments because there are salespeople went out to get

1544
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 25: a break during the day. They're having over thirty couples

1545
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 25: visited day on weekends and still going to demand during

1546
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 25: the week. I left Wong an He yesterday and most

1547
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 25: people Wong and He's looking beautiful and I've done a

1548
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 25: wonderful job there. The council heads up to it, and

1549
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 25: as I left, I've got a call from one of

1550
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 25: our team and they just considered a twenty two house

1551
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 25: contract signature to build some new homes through there. So

1552
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 25: things are certainly happening. I don't ever count hope by

1553
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 25: or worry too much about what governments are. Now look

1554
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 25: at what's in front of us. And so we're seeing

1555
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 25: increased numbers through our show homes in the rural areas,

1556
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 25: increased numbers of clients paying to us a deposit to

1557
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 25: get concepts drawn, and we've certainly seen that uplist in

1558
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 25: the last two months. It's been quite incredible.

1559
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, Grant, thank you, really appreciate talking

1560
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: to you, and best of luck with your plans. It's

1561
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: Grant Porteus, JJ Gardner, Holmes, Heather. I've worked for Grant.

1562
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: He's a very smart man with the ego Jim Hither,

1563
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 2: you shouldn't make any big calls about kids and helicopter

1564
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: parents when you only have one young child. In some

1565
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: suburbs and environments, it's a wise thing to do. Well,

1566
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: according to the parenting podcast that I've been listening to,

1567
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: it's never a wise thing to do. Actually, I'll have

1568
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, and if I have to choose between what

1569
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: you've got to say and some neuroscientists who are parenting

1570
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: experts to go with that, they reckon it's really bad

1571
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: because what you do as a helicopter parent, as you

1572
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 2: protect your child from everything all of the time, and

1573
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 2: then what happens, of course, is because you don't give

1574
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: them the ability to develop their own sense of what

1575
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: is risky and what isn't, they rely on you to

1576
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 2: do it. Then they go out into the big wide

1577
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 2: world and they're like eighteen years old and they have

1578
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: no bloody idea because mummy's not there anymore.

1579
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 13: So I don't know.

1580
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: All suburbs and all environments are probably dangerous in some

1581
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: way either. Talking about mums who stand by and what

1582
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: sher children fall in a pool. My mum had three

1583
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: of us boys under five, and she couldn't stop us

1584
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: sneaking down to the wolves by the sea closer to home.

1585
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: She was worried we're going to fall in the water

1586
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: without her there. So the solution was that she first

1587
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: warned us and then next time we went down without her,

1588
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 2: she came down and she threw us all in the water,

1589
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 2: and it worked. We never went back, not accompanied while

1590
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: we were young. That's pretty good, isn't it. Fourteen past six.

1591
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dup

1592
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: to see Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my

1593
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for SME on US talks edb.

1594
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: Jam McKay's with us shortly at seventeen past six. Now chocolate,

1595
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: olive oil, butter and takeaways the ones that pushed up

1596
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: food price inflation in August. Overall food prices increased zero

1597
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: point four percent in the year to August thirty one.

1598
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: That's not bad. But look at this. Okay, let this

1599
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: be the lesson to you that you should be eating

1600
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: the fruit and veggies and not the chocolate, because those

1601
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: prices were down twelve percent. Liam dan Is, The Herald's

1602
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: Business editor at large.

1603
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 5: A lamb get a either, why is chocolate up.

1604
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: Twenty percent on last year? That's a lot.

1605
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, chocolate and olive oil both at the at the

1606
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 12: actual growing end.

1607
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 5: You know, Africa for chocolate.

1608
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 12: And Southern Mediterranean area for olive oil, both have had

1609
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 12: terribly disruptive growing seasons and that's pushed the whole wholesale

1610
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 12: price up.

1611
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 5: And well, you know, olive oil and particularly is sort

1612
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 5: of like double what it used to be. So yeah,

1613
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 5: that's a shame.

1614
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 12: But hey, it's never been a better time to get

1615
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 12: a cage of potatoes, according to statsin z So there

1616
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 12: you go.

1617
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 5: I just cook it. And some other oil fry them

1618
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 5: and some fry your chips and something else.

1619
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about butter, No, that's expensive as well.

1620
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah that was another one.

1621
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so no potato and butter, so boil them.

1622
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 2: What what else apart from potatoes, has has come down

1623
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 2: in price.

1624
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 12: Well, the good news really when you when you sort

1625
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 12: of get below the sort of headline items that we

1626
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 12: like to put in headlines is that, you know, petrol,

1627
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 12: transport costs, even even rental starting to ease or stabilize.

1628
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 12: So there was enough there that the economists are looking

1629
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 12: at that and going, Okay, that's that's pretty good. That's

1630
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 12: that's disinflation still.

1631
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 5: It's the sort of.

1632
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 12: Last vestige is inflation coming out and and the and

1633
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 12: they're confident now that we'll see annual consumer price and

1634
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 12: X inflation four below two point fall to about two

1635
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 12: point five something like that, So below three, which is

1636
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 12: where the Reserve Bank has to have it and the

1637
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 12: sort of bet the house on it really by cutting

1638
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 12: rates already. So and this is the last lot of

1639
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 12: you know, partial inflation data we get before that, and

1640
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 12: of course we get another Reserve Bank call before we

1641
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 12: see the full consumer price and x inflation, so odds

1642
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 12: will get another cut before then, so they'd be looking

1643
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 12: pretty silly if it didn't didn't come down.

1644
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 5: But it is looking pretty good from here.

1645
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: GDP data is out this week or do you want

1646
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: to take a punt on what we're going to see.

1647
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, well it's going to be an economic contraction of

1648
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 12: some sort.

1649
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 5: I mean the Reserve Bank had said zero point five.

1650
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 12: I've seen economists picking from zero point one, zero point

1651
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 12: four something like that. So that's we bounced out of

1652
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 12: recession in the March quarter. So contracting again means we're

1653
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 12: not quite in another recession. But I've seen it described

1654
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 12: i think by Michael Gordon a WESTPEC as a rolling

1655
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 12: mall of recession. It's really just bouncing around in and

1656
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 12: out of recession. So yeah, nothing good in that second quarter,

1657
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 12: but it is a bit historic, and it might be

1658
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 12: the worst quarter before the interest rates start to look

1659
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 12: a bit better and we all start to feel a

1660
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 12: bit happier.

1661
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: Liam, Thank you very much, really appreciate it, mate, Liam

1662
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: Dan The Herald's Business editor at large, Heather Mum left

1663
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: us at the mall after we kept disappearing on her.

1664
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: We had to find the main office we had to

1665
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 2: remember our phone number, we had to call her up,

1666
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: we had to apologize, and she came and picked us up.

1667
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: We were pissed at the time, but looking back, it

1668
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: was a good exercise. We didn't disappear again. Interesting, right,

1669
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's tough. Your mum is tough. I

1670
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: got mad respect for that, actually, But that's the opposite

1671
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: of helicopter parenting right there, because you're letting them actually

1672
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 2: learn by themselves. Listen yesterday, Probably the best thing that

1673
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: I would say of the two things, the debate or

1674
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift endorsement, I would think the Taylor Swift

1675
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: endorsement actually is more important to Kamala Harris. The question

1676
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 2: that is now being asked by the media is whether

1677
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's endorsement will actually matter and not necessarily is

1678
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 2: the answer that they've come to because Taylor has in

1679
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 2: the past endorsed people who've gone on to lose. But

1680
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: she's obviously endorsed people have gone on to win, like

1681
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, but she's also endorsed people who've gone on

1682
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: to lose, like in twenty eighteen, she endorsed a Democrat

1683
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: Phil Bredesen for Congress and he lost. To be fair

1684
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 2: to her, she endorsed him. I think it was with

1685
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 2: a matter of days before the election, and it was

1686
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 2: a red state that he was in, so he was

1687
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: kind of up against it. But still, even if she

1688
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: had pushed up his numbers, she hadn't pushed it up

1689
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: sufficiently to be able to win. In celebrity endorsements in

1690
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 2: and of themselves are not necessarily always good things. In

1691
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, there was the feeling that actually there were

1692
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: too many celebrity endorsements of Hillary Clinton. So she started

1693
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: and it started to hurt her because she started to

1694
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: look like the celebrities, you know, the celebrity presidential candidate,

1695
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: rather than the normal person like It strengthened the sense

1696
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 2: that she was a candidate for the liberal elite, and

1697
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: Carmela is maybe I'm not saying she's anywhere near that yet,

1698
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: but she's headed in that direction because she has got

1699
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: a lot of the elite endorsing her. What Tete, though,

1700
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 2: excuse me, is really good at is getting people to

1701
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: register to vote. So last year she put up an

1702
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: Instagram story and it led to a twenty three percent

1703
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: increase in voter registration and twenty three percent is massive, man,

1704
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 2: And in twenty eighteen also did an Instagram post led

1705
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 2: to sixty five thousand new registrations in twenty four hours.

1706
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: Now that may be her key, because like I said yesterday,

1707
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: I don't think that debate has shifted anyone one way.

1708
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: It's not changing anyone's mind. The question for these guys,

1709
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: given how close the polls are, is can they get

1710
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: their people to register and vote? And if Tate can

1711
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: help Carmela with that, maybe she's onto something. Six twenty two, the.

1712
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: Rural Report on hither do for Sea Allen drive that

1713
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: we're a.

1714
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 2: Couple earning over six hundred thousand dollars combined and have

1715
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: stopped buying olive oil because it's crazyly priced at twenty

1716
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: four dollars per lieter at countdown. I can understand this,

1717
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: just sometimes it's just the Prince bal at six twenty

1718
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: five Jamie McKay, host of the Countries with Us.

1719
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 16: Now, hey, Jamie, let's how you get six hundred grand? Well, yeah,

1720
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 16: because a watch the pennies and the pounds look after themselves.

1721
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: Who right, and then you can make it a lot

1722
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: more than that. Jamie. That's very good advice. Thank you

1723
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: for that.

1724
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 5: Listen.

1725
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: I hear that there's some talk of us getting into

1726
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: who Who grub farming? Is this going to take off?

1727
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 5: Well?

1728
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 16: I don't know who knew it was the thing I

1729
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 16: picked up on a story online. And the good news

1730
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 16: about who Who grub farming Heather is it could solve

1731
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 16: a very troubling forestry slash problem. So who Who grubs

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01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 16: have been a valuable and sustainable food sauce here in

1733
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 16: New Zelle and Maori have long held that who Who

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01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 16: grubs and nutritious and safe for human consumption and the

1735
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 16: environmental benefit is that basically you feed them up on

1736
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 16: the forestry slash. And I didn't realize this either, but

1737
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 16: some guy by the name of Patrick Clements as far

1738
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 16: back as the early nineteen eighties was writing in the

1739
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 16: New Zealand Farmer suggesting that we should be farming Whoho

1740
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 16: grub and he makes where he made an important case

1741
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 16: for converting wood to edible proteins because grubs are rich

1742
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 16: in proteins, minerals and fats. In fact, who who grubs

1743
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 16: Heather who knew this have high proteins or proteins as

1744
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 16: high as thirty percent. That's higher than beef, lamb chicken,

1745
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 16: and chickpeas. They're also rich in amino acids, and insects

1746
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 16: around the world have been domesticated. I guess you have

1747
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 16: to tame who who grubs before you eat them, and

1748
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 16: they're being farmed sustainably. But in all seriousness, I think

1749
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 16: letting the who who grubs domestically farming them and letting

1750
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 16: them loose on the forestry slash is a great way

1751
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 16: to convert wasted wood into protein.

1752
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: It sounds smart.

1753
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 5: Have you ever tried one?

1754
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 16: No, and I don't want to.

1755
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, there's your problem, Jamie, is that it's gonna the

1756
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: mindset shift that you have to take to eat one

1757
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 2: of these things that does not look like something you

1758
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: would normally put in your mouth. It's quite a lot.

1759
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 16: Yeah, but we might be able to export who who

1760
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 16: Grub to other places around the world where people don't

1761
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 16: give a tough amount about grubs. Yeah like that, Hey, Aaron,

1762
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 16: who who grubs? Farming?

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01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: Jeez, Jamie, when you put your money there, I will

1764
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: put it in my mouth and let's just say it

1765
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: like that.

1766
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 25: Okay.

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01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: If I see you backing this as an export idea,

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01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to eat one for you listen to live exports.

1769
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 2: The demand is waiting for this apparently, is it.

1770
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, you might remember that the Labor government put

1771
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 16: a ban on live animal exports by sea in April

1772
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 16: of last year. The current government's talking about reopening this

1773
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 16: and this is a new and I have discussed this before.

1774
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 16: It's been very divisive in the New Zealand farming community.

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 16: It's almost fifty to fifty split down the middle. Look

1776
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 16: at wasworth potentially five hundred million to US half a

1777
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 16: billion a year. But what a latest store just released

1778
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 16: report from Rabobank is saying is that the demand has

1779
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 16: slowed to a trickle in China for our dairy heifers

1780
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 16: because that's basically what we were sending over there. So

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01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 16: even if we do reinstate this previously lucrative a live

1782
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 16: dairy trade the hefers to China, we may not get

1783
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 16: much demand because look back and back in twenty twenty

1784
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 16: two it peaked it. This is out of Australasia, US

1785
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 16: and the eusi's two hundred and thirty thousand head. We've

1786
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 16: sent eight hundred and fifteen thousand dairy heifers from Australia

1787
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 16: and New Zealand in the five years up to twenty

1788
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 16: twenty three. However, as I said, it's just it's trickled

1789
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 16: to a Holt now annual decline of eighty three percent.

1790
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 16: These cow so these dairy hippers were worth US three

1791
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 16: thousand dollars, that's like over five grand and our money.

1792
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 16: But now though and last year they fell to fifteen hundred,

1793
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 16: So even if we reinstate this week may not have

1794
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 16: a market.

1795
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: Jamie, thank you, appreciate it. Jammy MacKaye Hosts of the Country. Right,

1796
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about the spacewalk next, whether.

1797
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Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all on

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01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and My Hr

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01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 1: the HR Solution for busy SMEs news DOGSV.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're going to have Inde Brady out of the

1801
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: UK with us very shortly in foo Farter's News before

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01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: Dave Grohl told us today yesterday, sorry yesterday that he'd

1803
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: had another baby and this is a baby not with

1804
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: his wife of twenty years, and would shocked us all

1805
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: before he told us that it now transpires that he

1806
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: got himself a divorce attorney, so he's already retained a

1807
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: divorce attorney, and then he announced it and then the

1808
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: people people, you know, the publication people's gone to his

1809
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 2: rep and ask them him the rep about it, and

1810
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: they are not responding. Now, what that tells you is

1811
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 2: that Dave Grohl's wife has some self respect. You're not

1812
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 2: going to stand for this, and good on her. Twenty

1813
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: three away from seven, we are about to have a

1814
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: first out in space. It's the first ever private citizens

1815
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: who will do a space walk, as in like normal

1816
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 2: punters like you, well, semi normal, that's still billionaires, but

1817
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: otherwise normal punters like you and I not actually astronauts.

1818
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: It's two billionaires who've paid to go up to space

1819
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 2: with SpaceX and do the space walk, which actually is

1820
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: about the most dangerous thing that you can do once

1821
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,919
Speaker 2: you're up in space. Josh Araki is Star Dome's astronomer

1822
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: and with us right now on this.

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01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 6: Hey, Josh Guilder, how's it going?

1824
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: Well? Think you would you do this?

1825
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 16: Oh?

1826
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 6: I mean if I was given the chance, I honestly

1827
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 6: probably would just for the views, but I think the

1828
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 6: technicalities it's a pretty scary thing to be doing in space.

1829
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: Yet why is it so dangerous?

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01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, space is a vacuum, so you know,

1831
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 6: there's there's no air, you would suffocate. It's extremely hot

1832
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 6: if you're in the sun, it's freezing if you're in

1833
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 6: the shadows. So it's kind of just the most inhospitable

1834
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 6: environments for humans. And you know to comba that you need,

1835
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 6: you know, really heavily heavy levels of protection. So you

1836
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 6: know you need a space it you need all the

1837
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 6: stuff to protect you, but not just a space that,

1838
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 6: you also need all the stuff that keeps you alive,

1839
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 6: so you know, water, oxygen, pretty much everything.

1840
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, now it sounds like these So with the NASA guys,

1841
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: when they go out for a space walk, they've got

1842
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: jet packs attached to them, right, so presumably that is

1843
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: if they somehow become untethered and float off, they can

1844
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 2: zoom back to wherever they need to get back to,

1845
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: not Earth obviously just the Shuttle. But these guys don't

1846
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: need that.

1847
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 6: No, so these are very different. So when you see

1848
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 6: like astroauts on the space station doing so, they have

1849
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 6: their EMU units, which is basically like it's a jetpack basically,

1850
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 6: but even with that, they're basically tethered to the space station,

1851
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 6: so there's no risk of them, you know, flying off.

1852
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 6: But what we're gonna what we're going to see tonight

1853
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 6: is basically these spacesuits modified versions of suits that they

1854
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 6: already use, so they're quite mobile. You can move pretty

1855
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 6: well in them, but they don't have that big bulky backpack.

1856
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 6: So to get those life support systems, you know, oxygen

1857
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 6: all that, they're basically going to be on umbilical cords.

1858
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 6: So they're going to be tethered into the spacecraft and

1859
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 6: that's going to provide them with the life support systems

1860
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 6: as opposed to those massive backpacks that you kind of

1861
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 6: usually seen space.

1862
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is good, right because it means if they

1863
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: were somehow to let go accidentally, they would still be

1864
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: able to be hauled back in.

1865
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 3: You'd assume, yeah, exactly.

1866
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 6: So you're tether it to your spacecraft, there's no risk

1867
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 6: of them, you know, floating off in a you know,

1868
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 6: Syndra bullock S gravity moment. But yeah, that's.

1869
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 2: Josh, Listen. They're going up there to test these spacesuits, right,

1870
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: They've got to do the twisting and all that stuff.

1871
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: Would you trust anything made by Elon Musk the first

1872
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 2: time around?

1873
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 6: I mean it's he's obviously a very controversial person.

1874
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: But didn't you see what's happened to the teaselers.

1875
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I can speak to space, I

1876
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 6: can't speak to cars.

1877
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, like it's kind of just if

1878
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 2: there's a pattern, you know, like autopilot on the car

1879
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: doesn't work, spacesuit bursts. I don't know, what are you s.

1880
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I put it this way. I don't

1881
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 6: trust it on musk, but I trust the engineers at SpaceX.

1882
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 6: I mean the amount of work and advancements in terms

1883
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 6: of rocketry and space expression that they've done in the

1884
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 6: last few years, it's really incredible. And you look at

1885
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 6: the speed of what they're being able to do it,

1886
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 6: it's really amazing. So it's you know, the thousands of

1887
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 6: workers at SpaceX that are doing all the hard work

1888
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 6: for me.

1889
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's a fair point. Do you think this

1890
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: is going to take off? I mean, obviously at the

1891
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: moment it's the plaything of billionaires because of the costs

1892
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But in the future, do you

1893
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: think people are going to want to go up there

1894
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: and do this thing just for a bit of a laugh.

1895
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it's always going to cost a lot of money.

1896
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 6: I don't think it's ever going to be you know,

1897
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 6: it's cheap as a plane ticket, as a billionaire might teut,

1898
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 6: but you know it will be an industry. I think

1899
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 6: there'll be an industry of tourism where you know, wealthy

1900
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 6: people can out of space. But the reality is no

1901
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 6: one really wants to go to space, you know, just

1902
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 6: for starting. It's not necessarily a fun environment. I think

1903
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 6: it would be beautiful and amazing to experience, but as

1904
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 6: you know, it's being there for a long periods of time,

1905
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 6: it's just not a nice thing. It's really bad on

1906
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 6: the human body. There's a lot of isolation, and you know,

1907
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 6: you're literally away from everything that you know, so it's

1908
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 6: just the most unfamiliar environment that.

1909
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 25: You can think of.

1910
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll bang on there. It's a little

1911
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: bit like going to an Antarctica, but even worse. Josh,

1912
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: thank you appreciate it is always good to talk to you.

1913
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: That's Josh Iodaki, who is a stardom's astronomer on elon mask.

1914
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: Did you see what he said to Taty So when

1915
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 2: Taity did the endorsement of Kamala Harrison, then she signed

1916
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: off Taylor's with childless cat Lady. Elon responded to her

1917
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: and said, I will give you a child. Oh, I mean,

1918
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: stop at Elon there, what a creep, creep, hard out

1919
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: creep or just could potentially be suffering from the billionaire's disease,

1920
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: which is and I feel like Trumpy suffers from this

1921
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: as well, when when you're so wealthy that nobody tells

1922
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: you anymore when you say dumb things because everybody around

1923
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 2: you relies on your money, so you just say dumb

1924
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: things and they just go m and Trumpy as a result,

1925
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: has just started to learn that that's kind of what

1926
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 2: you do. But feel like Elon's doing the same thing here.

1927
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: We're like, no, no, mate, don't say that, because the

1928
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: thing about Elon that you need to understand is Elon

1929
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: has given a lot of ladies a lot of children already,

1930
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: and so he might not be joking speaking of children now,

1931
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 2: children in screen time and sorry because I am aware

1932
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: that the show has been very heavy on the children today,

1933
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: but you know, sometimes this is going to happen, right,

1934
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: and many of us are children, so we'll just go

1935
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: with it. A lot of parents stress out about the

1936
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 2: screen time because you don't want to give the gets

1937
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: too much screen time that they become little nutters and

1938
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 2: misbehave and get like whirly eyes, you know, and that happens.

1939
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: But you also sometimes it's like a lot of work, right,

1940
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: so sometimes you just want to cook dinner in peace,

1941
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 2: and so you just put them from the screen for

1942
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: like half an hour, forty minutes hour whatever. New Zealand research,

1943
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: the research it's been done here. I think it's more too.

1944
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 2: Research has done. It shows that more than four hours

1945
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: of screen time a day is linked to significant behavioral

1946
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 2: problems for preschool kids. Now you do, like, if you're

1947
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 2: giving a five year old, I'm under more than four

1948
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: hours of talia day, just stop bad idea. However, once

1949
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: kids are eight years are over eight years old, apparently

1950
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: you can give them four hours. I still think that's

1951
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 2: too much, but whatever, you know, like to can't argue

1952
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: with the science. The research also found though, and this

1953
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: is the important thing for mums. Listen to this, mums,

1954
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: low maternal stress is linked to fewer behavioral problems. So

1955
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 2: if you are not stressed out, your child is actually

1956
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: gonna behave a lot better. If you're just like a

1957
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 2: chill mummy, then the child's going to be a chill

1958
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: baby and screen time actually because it helps you have

1959
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: a bit of a break, could in fact be good

1960
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 2: for your stress levels, therefore the child's behavioral issues. So

1961
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: what they're trying to say is four hours is too much,

1962
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: but maybe none is also a little too hard. So

1963
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 2: somewhere in between you and get that perfect. I wish

1964
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: they'd told us and you can do one hour, you know,

1965
01:30:58,600 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 2: but they didn't. Anyways, you can have to guess it.

1966
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Seventeen away from.

1967
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Seven everything from SME sort of big Corporates, the Business

1968
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Hour with hither duperic out and my HR the HR

1969
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: solution for busy SMEs on News Talk ZB.

1970
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: I should have actually told you that SpaceX spacewalk was

1971
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 2: supposed to happen this hour between six and seven, but

1972
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 2: it's been delayed by four hours and there's no official

1973
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: explanation for why. But anyway, you know, see it, old musk,

1974
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 2: everything will be fine. Fourteen away from seven and Indo

1975
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 2: Brady UK correspondence with us. Now, Hey, Inda, Hello, Heather,

1976
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: great sopeak to you again. Yes, so, Keir starm has

1977
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 2: found out that the NHS is a bit stuffed.

1978
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 5: Yes he has.

1979
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 26: Look, you've got to applaud him because one of the

1980
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 26: first things he did on going into Number ten Downing

1981
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 26: Street was Commissioner report. He knew stuffed but he just

1982
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 26: wanted to see how badly. And the report is in

1983
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 26: it makes terrible reading. Basically everything is being held back

1984
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 26: and it's not for you know, a want of money

1985
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 26: or people or resources. It's the management, it's the lack

1986
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 26: of intelligence. It's the British Medical Association and its conservative

1987
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 26: leadership apparently holding a lot of things back. So Stamer's

1988
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 26: going to give a speech in the next few hours.

1989
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 26: The NHS National Health Service here is a cherished institution

1990
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 26: running since nineteen forty seven and it's free from the

1991
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 26: point of entry with treatment, you know, from cradle to grave,

1992
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 26: and Starmer basically is going to tell the British public

1993
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 26: today that it requires major surgery, not another sticking plaster.

1994
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 26: Absolutely every aspect of the NHS is going to get

1995
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 26: reformed under Starmer's leadership. And I think it's been half

1996
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 26: a century in the comingness, it really has. So let's

1997
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 26: see if Starmer can do something that no Prime minister

1998
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 26: has managed to achieve before.

1999
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: What does he mean by major surgery? Has he has

2000
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 2: he given us any indication of what it is that

2001
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 2: he's thinking of doing.

2002
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 26: I think, for a start, they're going to stop chucking

2003
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 26: money at hospitals that are not performing. I mean, you've

2004
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 26: got a lot of very highly paid consultants and senior

2005
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 26: leadership in the NHS and the money keeps going to

2006
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 26: certain hospitals, but the results are not there, and it

2007
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 26: will be the same as you know, pumping money into

2008
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 26: a failing rugby team or a footy club and expecting

2009
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 26: wins to keep coming and nothing has been happening. I mean,

2010
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 26: they've made zero progress. This is one really scary stat

2011
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 26: early detection of cancer in the UK in the last decade.

2012
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 26: The report says they have made zero progress. There are

2013
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 26: far better countries in the world with smaller economies and

2014
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 26: less money than the UK and they are smashing this. So,

2015
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,560
Speaker 26: I mean, you know, there's a lot of arrogance I

2016
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 26: think here in the medical profession, the money. You know,

2017
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 26: they have a great lifestyle, these guys and girls. Yeah,

2018
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 26: they highly qualified people, but let's be blunt here, they

2019
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 26: have not been delivering bang for the book for a

2020
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 26: very very long time. And I think Starmar's going to

2021
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:51,719
Speaker 26: sort that out.

2022
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,839
Speaker 2: Well he's hoping. I mean, you really need this sometimes,

2023
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 2: don't you. Okay, this Andrew film that's going to come out,

2024
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 2: how bad is it?

2025
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 26: It's really bad, views her in and I'm not talking about,

2026
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 26: you know, entertainment value bad. It's excellent entertainment. But in

2027
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 26: terms of Andrew's reputation and legacy and the fact that

2028
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 26: you know, a lot of people will see these imagined

2029
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 26: conversations behind the scenes and take it as fact. It's

2030
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 26: called a Very Royal Scandal. It's made by Emily Maitliss.

2031
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 26: It's basically horror version of the events leading up to

2032
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 26: and including the now notorious interview with Andrew talking about

2033
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 26: his pal, the pedophile Epstein. So it pulls now punches.

2034
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 26: Andrew comes across as an extremely unlikable, extremely unpleasant, very thick,

2035
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 26: entitled man, and the timing of it could not be

2036
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 26: worse because Charles now is going all out on this

2037
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 26: issue of Royal Lodge. He does not want to keep

2038
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 26: paying six million dollars a year to keep his brother

2039
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 26: in that house with his ex wife. Charles wants him out.

2040
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 26: And the major headline the other day from a friend

2041
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 26: of Charles talking to the papers, which must have been

2042
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 26: clear by the King himself was pay your way or

2043
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 26: pack your bags. That's how bad it's got between them

2044
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 26: and this film lands next week.

2045
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 2: Okay, so he will use it as ammunition to be

2046
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: able to try to basically evict Andrew. But where does

2047
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 2: Andrew go if he gets evicted?

2048
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 26: So well, there's a beautifully restored cottage that costs somewhere

2049
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 26: in the region of eight million dollars the innovation to

2050
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 26: Frogmore Cottage, which wasn't good enough for Megan and Harry,

2051
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 26: but it's certainly deemed good enough for Andrew. And that's

2052
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 26: where Charles wants him to go. It's in the grounds

2053
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 26: of Windsor. It's within the security cordon and it's there,

2054
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:39,560
Speaker 26: and it's empty and for a bachelor man apparently in

2055
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 26: his sixties, you know, that's where the King wants his

2056
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 26: younger brother to go. Andrew's kicking back, but he hasn't

2057
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 26: got a leg to stand on. I mean, the guy

2058
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 26: can't be seen in public. He will get ridiculed if

2059
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 26: he appears anywhere, and he is of no use to

2060
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 26: the royal family. And I think what we saw this

2061
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 26: week really positive news from the Princess of Wales. That's

2062
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 26: cancer free. We've seen Charles embracing your rugby players last

2063
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 26: night and hugs and a beautiful song they sung for him.

2064
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 26: You know, it has been a positive week for the

2065
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 26: House of Windsor, but I think they're bracing themselves for

2066
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 26: next week. Courtesy of good old uncle Andrew yet again.

2067
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, once again, Hey, thank you ind as always, We'll

2068
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 2: talk to you again next week. That's the end of

2069
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 2: Brady are UK correspondent. I'm going to run you through

2070
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 2: some little food packaging tricks that are used on us

2071
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 2: to get us to buy things. It's absolutely fascinating. Very

2072
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: quickly though, Biden's put a Trump had on, so he

2073
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: was he was out at a fire station in Pennsylvania

2074
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: and somebody there gave him a Trump twenty twenty four

2075
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 2: hat and he chucked it on his head. And it's

2076
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: very hard to know whether that's a smart moved. That's interesting.

2077
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 2: It's like, is he his people are trying to say

2078
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 2: that the reason that he did that was in the

2079
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 2: spirit of bipartisanship unity and we need to get back

2080
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 2: to that and we need to be mates with each

2081
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: other again. And sort of like, yeah, if it was

2082
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 2: somebody who you felt had their marbles a little bit

2083
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 2: more together. You said, actually, yeah, that's probably what happened.

2084
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: But it's Biden, So you just wonder whether he was

2085
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 2: just completely gaga at that moment.

2086
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: Made away from seven, whether it's macro microbe or just

2087
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: plain economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather

2088
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and my HR the HR platform for sme

2089
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: us talks it b crunching the numbers and getting the results.

2090
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen with the Business Hour thanks to

2091
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs on News Talks.

2092
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 9: It be okay.

2093
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 2: So I find this absolutely fascinating and by the way,

2094
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: it's coming up five away from seven. I find this

2095
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 2: absolutely fascinating. Apparently there are all these little tricks that

2096
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: food packaging and packages use on us to get us

2097
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 2: to buy the food and consider it to be better

2098
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: quality than it actually is. Little things like color is

2099
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: used quite a lot, so for example, they will put

2100
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: oranges in a red netting bag and presumably also in

2101
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 2: a white one because it makes the oranges look more orange.

2102
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 2: That contrast is something that works really well for them.

2103
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: So so then you want to buy it all because

2104
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 2: it looks like like it's going to be more tasty.

2105
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Fplamentary color or contrasting colors are used all of the time,

2106
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: so they'll use, for example, the Hindz baked Beans tin. Right,

2107
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: it's a turquoise packaging, and the reason they use turquoise

2108
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: is because it makes the beans on the tin look

2109
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 2: really really red. They'll do things as well, like use

2110
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 2: red and yellow together because apparently red and yellow or

2111
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 2: even red on its own, are believed widely believed to

2112
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 2: stimulate your appetite, which is why McDonald's, for example, uses

2113
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: the colors. And also I suppose KFC because they are

2114
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 2: read as well. All the colors mean something as well,

2115
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: so green has connotations of health and eco friendliness. Blue

2116
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 2: is associated with cold, which is why you're often going

2117
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 2: to get your ice bags, and blue also low fat,

2118
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 2: low calorie foods. White means simplicity or blandness. Deep colors

2119
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 2: in a matte, black mean luxury. This is weird. Certain

2120
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 2: words are associated with certain shapes. It's known as the

2121
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: buba kiki effect because the word buba sounds soft and rounded,

2122
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 2: whereas kiki sounds sharp and spiky, and so sharp words

2123
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 2: and sharp fonts are matched with sour and bitter tastes,

2124
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: while round like bubo words and rounded fonts are used

2125
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 2: with sweeter tastes. There's a whole bunch of stuff that

2126
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 2: they do with that as well, with like the fonts

2127
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 2: and stuff like this. But what about this one. This

2128
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 2: is weird. They use noisy packaging for noisy food, like

2129
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 2: your chips chippies which are noisy when you eat them,

2130
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 2: come in a noisy package. But also playing French or

2131
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: German music in the wine section of the supermarket has

2132
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: been shown to increase sales of French or German wine

2133
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: by as much as thirty percent, even when the consumer

2134
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 2: says it has no effect on them. How amazing. Ants

2135
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: we're being manipulated everywhere.

2136
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 27: Yeah, but I tell you what, I would not mind

2137
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 27: hearing a bit more darft paint when I'm shopping in

2138
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 27: the Yelker section of the superhot.

2139
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the kind of music. It's more

2140
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 2: like Edith prre.

2141
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,520
Speaker 5: Oh Okay Okay.

2142
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 27: Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter to players out tonight. The mtvvms

2143
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 27: have happened today and this was voted Song of the

2144
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 27: Year by the judges. Video of the Year went to

2145
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 27: Taylor Swift and Postline with Fort Taylors have also one

2146
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 27: Artist of the Year and Chapel Roone was the best

2147
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 27: New Artist.

2148
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 5: Cool.

2149
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: Thanks and I appreciate that very much. Of course, answer

2150
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 2: is the only person in the world is Dave Punk

2151
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: French or German for French. The only person in the

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