Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Louise Aerie and this is season six of our
Speaker 2: New Zealand here a podcast, The Little Things.
Speaker 3: And I'm Francisca Vudkin. Good to have you with us.
Speaker 3: In this podcast, we talk to experts. We find out
Speaker 3: all the little things that you need to know to
Speaker 3: improve different areas of your life. We cut through the
Speaker 3: confusion an overload of information out there to help simplify life.
Speaker 3: And today possibly we're going to simplify your wardrobe. Possibly,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be fabulous? There is a few weekends ago
Speaker 3: I round you when you were in the midst of
Speaker 3: quad a book clean out of your wardrobe. You're quite
Speaker 3: good at doing a bit of an audit, aren't you.
Speaker 2: It Really I am good at doing it, but I
Speaker 2: don't do it because I need the audit. There's probably
Speaker 2: something else at play. And at the moment, it's just
Speaker 2: like we've got a lot of projects on going on
Speaker 2: in the house. Our on suites are fallen apart by
Speaker 2: the way that was as we might remember, it was
Speaker 2: last September that that happened, and what are we in
Speaker 2: going into winter and it's only just being sorted now.
Speaker 2: So you know, there are a few things that are
Speaker 2: making my own living space or you know, not comfortable.
Speaker 2: So I was like, what can I do for myself.
Speaker 3: It's just a bit of control, get of clash and
Speaker 3: make things a bit easier.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, because in the in the mornings, and it's
Speaker 2: not that I'm you know, I haven't got time to
Speaker 2: look through my wardrobe. It's more that it's more that
Speaker 2: things that inside out on racks. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's the habit you have. I cannot believe when I
Speaker 2: do this order, how many things I put back in
Speaker 2: the wardrobe inside out.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't tend to do that, but I yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it is it because you've worn it and then you
Speaker 3: just put it, i don't.
Speaker 1: Know what.
Speaker 3: Into my room and putting them into clothes you're wearing
Speaker 3: other times and then up again.
Speaker 2: No, because it's all under control, and then suddenly it
Speaker 2: doesn't pretty much, that's how it works, right, So things
Speaker 2: are under control. I've got all my t shirts and
Speaker 2: their colors and the and the thing. And then and
Speaker 2: then after a while that just starts to be like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: not that one, the one with a different neck, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you know, and then it all just gets messy and
Speaker 2: my wardrober is similar. And also we had the change
Speaker 2: of seasons as well, which I'm not really one of
Speaker 2: those people that change the seasons. I just put a
Speaker 2: jumper under a some address and keep wearing it.
Speaker 3: That's what I tend to do. Yeah, there are people
Speaker 3: who do that. No I do that. Oh you do? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You rotate things seasonally? Oh gosh, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I thought you meant just the same clothes but just
Speaker 3: add layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we both do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people rotate their entire wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't get my head.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the thing. I'm just too lazy.
Speaker 3: It's just too big a job to go through it
Speaker 3: all and try and trim it down and work a
Speaker 3: still out, and so I just live in chaos and
Speaker 3: it's not really serving me.
Speaker 2: Well. Well, I just like to say, of the two
Speaker 2: of us, yes, I have literally nothing under my bed,
Speaker 2: not one item of anything, not on my side, not
Speaker 2: on my husband's side. What's your story, Francesca might not
Speaker 2: quite be the same as that, but that's okay. I
Speaker 2: pull everything out and vacuum.
Speaker 3: Under the irricasionally I think for me also, over the
Speaker 3: last five years, my body shapes changed a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: perimenopause hit. Some things change, and I think I also
Speaker 3: just can't be I can't be asked trying to get
Speaker 3: my head around actually what fits anymore? What needs to
Speaker 3: go and what can stay? And you know, there's quite
Speaker 3: a bit going on.
Speaker 2: There is a thing going on. And my hair colors
Speaker 2: changed in the last decade. Yeah, I'm gone from well,
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I was gray, but I've
Speaker 2: gone from blonde to gray, and that does impact things.
Speaker 2: And I think I think our skin changes tone as
Speaker 2: well as we age. Is that would that be right?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but yeah, I just think there is
Speaker 2: a lot going on for us and we don't stop
Speaker 2: and go. Maybe this just isn't for me anymore.
Speaker 3: Maybe we could make them. Let's make this simpler. Let's
Speaker 3: find out ways to make this one simpler. Today we
Speaker 3: are joined by personal stylist and style coach Captain Taylor.
Speaker 3: Caitlyn has twenty years experience in the fashion industry across
Speaker 3: both high end fashion and chain store. Through her business,
Speaker 3: Chasing Kate, she helps everyday women work out their personal style,
Speaker 3: get their confidence back and feel good in the clothes
Speaker 3: they wear. Caitlin, welcome, So good to have you with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Guys excited to be Oh.
Speaker 2: We're excited to have you. It's going to be a
Speaker 2: very interesting conversation. I suspect and a bit of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you deal with a lot of women through your business.
Speaker 3: What are the main issues women face when it comes
Speaker 3: to styling and dressing themselves?
Speaker 1: Oh? That could be a whole podcast in itself, couldn't it.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing I see is people getting a little
Speaker 1: bit stuck with their style. So they've probably been through
Speaker 1: some sort of life change, so they've come out the
Speaker 1: other end and gone, what am I doing? The clothes
Speaker 1: don't fit like they used to do, The can't find
Speaker 1: the things in stores that they like anymore, They don't
Speaker 1: know what suits their body, or they just the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: They have a wardrobe full of clothes and they don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with them because they're overwhelmed. So
Speaker 1: overwhelm is a word that comes up so much from
Speaker 1: women at either the spectrum that overwhelmed with choices out there,
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, or they're overwhelmed but they've
Speaker 1: got their own wardrobes.
Speaker 2: For sure. I'm definitely underwhelmed my wardrobe at the moment.
Speaker 2: Do you think that it is important for people to
Speaker 2: have their own personal style or do you think that
Speaker 2: boxes us in too much?
Speaker 1: No, I really do. But your personal style could be
Speaker 1: so eclectic that you wouldn't be able to put a
Speaker 1: name on it, but it's still your style. So I
Speaker 1: think it's it's such a cool way to express who
Speaker 1: you are without having to walk around with a resume
Speaker 1: on your head. So it gives you that freedom to
Speaker 1: be you.
Speaker 3: Really. That's interesting because before we did this podcast, I
Speaker 3: owned it up on some AI thing and it was
Speaker 3: trying to get me to determine what my personal style was,
Speaker 3: and it was trying to get me to describe it
Speaker 3: in three words.
Speaker 1: Oh I do do that, Oh you do I do?
Speaker 1: But that's only one element of it, right, Yeah. So
Speaker 1: there's your words, there's your colors, there's your body shape,
Speaker 1: there's your best bits. So there's a whole kind of
Speaker 1: like your foundations, your staff foundations.
Speaker 3: Well that makes sense. That was trying to sum it
Speaker 3: all up in three words. That's impossible, But I like
Speaker 3: the idea that you don't kind of feel like you
Speaker 3: have to be fully defined by just sort of one
Speaker 3: one style that can be a clctic And did you
Speaker 3: get to three words? No? Not well no, all I
Speaker 3: came up with was All I came up with was sneakers,
Speaker 3: dress and cardigan because I like to keep things really simple.
Speaker 3: I like to wear as little as possible, and I
Speaker 3: just and some pot I just put tights on and
Speaker 3: a cardio over the top.
Speaker 1: You know of a dreas yea, but simple could be
Speaker 1: one of your words.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's comfy.
Speaker 1: Comfy or make comfy for me is a given? So
Speaker 1: that doesn't that shouldn't be a word because everyone should
Speaker 1: be comfy, regardless of w caring.
Speaker 3: I think is we're a word back there we go,
Speaker 3: you got tom to go.
Speaker 1: If we will.
Speaker 3: Have those we will have those words. Do we all
Speaker 3: have a bit of style even if we don't know it.
Speaker 3: If you're sort of thinking, oh, I don't really have
Speaker 3: any personal soul, maybe we do one hundred percent. You do.
Speaker 1: Everybody does. There's also that style that's kind of maybe
Speaker 1: hiding inside you. So when I get my clients to
Speaker 1: think about their style, we talk about slightly aspirational. So
Speaker 1: where do you want to be Where do you want
Speaker 1: to go? And I had a beautiful client last week.
Speaker 1: Start of the session was really kind of shy, but
Speaker 1: you could see she really wanted to go bolder. By
Speaker 1: the end of the session she was making bolder choices.
Speaker 1: She just needed permission to do it. So I think
Speaker 1: everybody's got style inside them. It's just about how to
Speaker 1: get it out and how to define it.
Speaker 3: Why do we why do we need to ask for permission? Oh?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Because we've been told constantly to be smaller
Speaker 1: and to be quieter and to not stand out. And
Speaker 1: you know that one person said that one thing that
Speaker 1: one time about what you're wearing, and it's stuck with you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lack of confidence, is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's even in the short time we've been talking, it's
Speaker 2: got my head spinning because I'm thinking, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: These are the things we put on the outside of
Speaker 2: our bodies every single day and greet the world, and
Speaker 2: we're not maybe greeting it as authentically as we could.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing people say. And you hate to
Speaker 1: set people judge you on appearances, But like I said,
Speaker 1: you don't walk around with the resume on your head.
Speaker 1: So what you wear and how you show up is
Speaker 1: very much that first impression.
Speaker 2: And well, I'm not personally judging anyone else, but I'm
Speaker 2: starting to be quite judgmental live myself here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Well, I think it's about having the
Speaker 1: confidence to just be who you are, and like for
Speaker 1: my clients, it's about being able to get up, get dressed,
Speaker 1: feel like themselves and then get on with their day
Speaker 1: and actually not then stress about what they're wearing or
Speaker 1: like does this fit or does this suit me? For
Speaker 1: the rest of the day. They just I want to
Speaker 1: give them the confidence to be them.
Speaker 3: So where do you start? Where do you start with
Speaker 3: a client when it comes to defining what their personal
Speaker 3: style is.
Speaker 1: Also, that's staff foundations that we talked about are kind
Speaker 1: of the key. So that for me creates a framework.
Speaker 1: So it's not rules, but it's a framework that we
Speaker 1: can work within, especially if we get overwhelmed. So understanding color,
Speaker 1: and that's less about you're an autumn mirror winter and
Speaker 1: more about understanding where you sit on the spectrum of
Speaker 1: color and then how you can put colors together. So
Speaker 1: that's a real key piece. Understanding your colors, understanding your
Speaker 1: best bits. Dressing well is about dressing to the parts
Speaker 1: of your body that you've got the most confidence in
Speaker 1: drawing attention to, rather than dressing to hide. So many
Speaker 1: women dress, Oh I just need to hide my tummy
Speaker 1: or I need to hide my arms. What about if
Speaker 1: we dressed in a way that makes us feel confident
Speaker 1: about our bodies and that doesn't mean revealing, but it
Speaker 1: means drawing attention.
Speaker 2: Toe.
Speaker 1: So we look at color, we look at best bits,
Speaker 1: and we look at your style personality, which is a
Speaker 1: couple of words that can kind of help describe where
Speaker 1: you want to take your style.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, so I've been wanting to talk about colors
Speaker 2: for a long time. You go, Loo, when before we started,
Speaker 2: you were talking about some cream Tracki's with a big
Speaker 2: and deeese stripe, I think, And you said they're great
Speaker 2: on the bottom because cream's not my color on top,
Speaker 2: you know, And you know this, how do you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So color is kind of like a spectrum. So
Speaker 1: there's cool and warm tones, and there's basically dominant and
Speaker 1: muted tones as well. So it's about color. The colors
Speaker 1: that lift you up are colors that kind of almost
Speaker 1: mimic your coloring. So what often happens with women as
Speaker 1: we get confused a bit because our hair color might
Speaker 1: change or our skin tone might change a little bit,
Speaker 1: and so we get confused that we're put in a
Speaker 1: box of like you're an autumn and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, your hair might change and you've slid down
Speaker 1: to kind of a spring when you're talking about seasons.
Speaker 1: But having that confidence in color, it's just the colors
Speaker 1: that make you glow. And then what it means when
Speaker 1: you walk into a store, you can then eliminate half
Speaker 1: the shop because you just go, that's not my side.
Speaker 3: When you see it. Just before mimicking your coloring, I
Speaker 3: was just going, I don't know if it's cind of
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm mimicking tiredness or something like, how
Speaker 3: do you kind of you know what what color goes
Speaker 3: with tiredness?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: As opposed to right. If we feel tired and yucky,
Speaker 1: our immediate default is to hide in black, and to
Speaker 1: hide in gray, and to hide in maybe Howard in beige.
Speaker 1: But if you fake it till you make it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: put on a color that like imagizes you and it
Speaker 1: will often make you feel better. So again Colour Psychology,
Speaker 1: whole nother podcast. But there's so much power in color
Speaker 1: alone to change how we feel about ourselves. You know
Speaker 1: when you put on the right color, because immediately your
Speaker 1: eyes pop and your skin glows and you feel like ha,
Speaker 1: Whereas you're not going to put a color on and
Speaker 1: go I look terrible on this. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: wear it all day.
Speaker 3: Looking at Louise, because Louise has been talking to our
Speaker 3: produced security and myself about colors and we should be
Speaker 3: getting our colours done for quite a while, we've been
Speaker 3: laughing at her and tell her to going about the eighties.
Speaker 3: If you look at Louise, what colors would you suggesce
Speaker 3: would suit her?
Speaker 1: So my first question to Louise would be what are
Speaker 1: your three favorite colors to wear?
Speaker 2: Wow? Green, yes, blue yes, and probably rid yeah.
Speaker 1: And what three colors do you avoid?
Speaker 2: Oh, cream, I don't. I like brown, but I probably
Speaker 2: don't wear it very much. And I do like mustard
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, they're probably the main ones. Actually black
Speaker 2: is really aging me now, yeah, like close to my
Speaker 2: face is aging me.
Speaker 1: And that's quite telling. So like that's the first question
Speaker 1: I ask clients, rather than diving in and saying to them,
Speaker 1: these are the colors you can and can't wear. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you like to wear? So the fact that
Speaker 1: you avoid creams and browns generally, I would put you
Speaker 1: in the cool camp. So we want colors that are
Speaker 1: clean and clear and crisp, so blue based colors, so
Speaker 1: your coloring has that clearness to it, which means crisp
Speaker 1: colors are going to look better. But if I look
Speaker 1: at your coloring, so the contrast between your skin, your hair,
Speaker 1: and your eyes, it's what we would call quite muted.
Speaker 1: So you have soft coloring. So if you look at me,
Speaker 1: I have fair skin, but I have dark hair and
Speaker 1: dark eyes, so my coloring is much more is stronger,
Speaker 1: more dominant. So I'm also a cool tone, but I
Speaker 1: sit at the stronger end of coloring, so I can
Speaker 1: wear strong color. You sit at that kind of more
Speaker 1: soft end of coloring, so softer color. The fact that
Speaker 1: you said no black tick because black is basically the
Speaker 1: absence of light, so it's a really really strong kind
Speaker 1: of force. So black will overpower you basically Now as
Speaker 1: you yeah, as you soften.
Speaker 3: Interesting because you do look beautiful. You know, you've got
Speaker 3: that gorgeous sort of purply light, purply icily Drea you
Speaker 3: wear that you look gorgeous and things like that. There
Speaker 3: we go, There we go. Does that sound good that we'd.
Speaker 1: Call you a summer Yeah, But what can happen is
Speaker 1: we can kind of cross that barrier. So for me,
Speaker 1: that color that muted through the dominant is a sliding scale,
Speaker 1: and we can shift up and down that scale sometimes.
Speaker 1: So for you to be put in that summer camp,
Speaker 1: so to speak, it means that you're kind of you
Speaker 1: hit a limit, but there is no limit because you
Speaker 1: can just slide up and down the scale a little bit,
Speaker 1: more so by leaning into colors like red that's traditionally
Speaker 1: a more winter color or a dominant color, but you
Speaker 1: can still make that work.
Speaker 2: So this is going to lead into a question later
Speaker 2: on about the capture wardrobe that that's my issue with
Speaker 2: it is that we'll get there later.
Speaker 3: How are you inserted in let's talk about best bits.
Speaker 3: I love the way you. I love it too. It's
Speaker 3: just like, let's move on to best bits. When somebody
Speaker 3: tells you what they think their best bits are, do
Speaker 3: you tend to agree or do you think that a
Speaker 3: lot of the time we might be missing what our
Speaker 3: best bits.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent let you choose your best okay,
Speaker 1: because if you're getting dressed, you need to feel good
Speaker 1: in those best bets. So what I like when clients
Speaker 1: go I had to ask my husband or I had
Speaker 1: to ask my friend, I'm like, yeah, but what do
Speaker 1: you think are your best bits? So I think that ultimately,
Speaker 1: I might say to a client, oh, but you look
Speaker 1: great if your waist was defined, but they don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. They want to show us your legs
Speaker 1: power to them, Like, ultimately, yeah, yeah, what you wear
Speaker 1: is up to you. So yeah, I'm I'm very much
Speaker 1: supportive of what my clients would choose as their own
Speaker 1: best bits.
Speaker 3: Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2: And I do think that as a probably confronting question
Speaker 2: for a lot of us, very much so, because we
Speaker 2: don't reflect on that often enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I ask it that way really intentionally. So
Speaker 1: what I don't ask my clients is what are the
Speaker 1: bits that they want to hide? Very much, make them
Speaker 1: focus on the bits they want to highlight. It's much
Speaker 1: more powerful when you're getting dressed.
Speaker 3: If you said that to me off the top of
Speaker 3: my head, I would go, best bits, wrists and ankles.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't really give you.
Speaker 1: But that's one of mine. It's all that just like
Speaker 1: just pull your sleeves up.
Speaker 2: It's like little. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what I would then encourage you to do is
Speaker 1: think about some bigger body parts. So that's a great start.
Speaker 1: It's a great start. How else can we So it's
Speaker 1: just that, know it is, But it's gentle steps, right
Speaker 1: and I just got great boobs, yeah right, see, But
Speaker 1: I pre warm my clients.
Speaker 3: They would if I had a decent bra I tell you,
Speaker 3: don't get me started on the bras.
Speaker 1: But I give clients like a warm up. I give
Speaker 1: them time to think about it. And I'm really I
Speaker 1: was thinking on that head for give them rather than
Speaker 1: asking them on the spot.
Speaker 2: And I think you'd sits probably are the things that
Speaker 2: possibly change over a lifetime, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is that how we work out what suits us and
Speaker 3: what doesn't by just trying things on and working out
Speaker 3: how we feel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that, like what
Speaker 1: suits me is such a loaded question because what do
Speaker 1: we mean when we say what suits me? So for
Speaker 1: so many people it means what makes me look skinnier,
Speaker 1: And that's like that's not necessarily what you feel the
Speaker 1: best in. So it really comes down to what do
Speaker 1: you feel the most like you in. So again there's
Speaker 1: there's checks and boxes. Right, there's rules, the treatings, and
Speaker 1: a daze of this is your body shape, this is
Speaker 1: the only neckline to wear. Show me a fashion role
Speaker 1: and I'll show you how to break it. I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you feel good in something, I'm doing it today,
Speaker 1: like as an hour with a bust. I should be
Speaker 1: wearing a V neck and I've got my shirt buttoned
Speaker 1: all the way up, and that feels much more like
Speaker 1: me than if I had it open in and V.
Speaker 3: Do you know, I don't think I ever think about
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever think about it that way.
Speaker 3: I think I always just look on the in the
Speaker 3: mirror and make a judgment on what I see.
Speaker 1: And how I feel exactly, Whereas I think some people
Speaker 1: get too clinical and be like, oh, I have to
Speaker 1: wear this length skirt and this slink shoes or this neckline,
Speaker 1: and that's almost too restricted.
Speaker 3: But I don't think about how it makes me feel.
Speaker 3: I just think about how it.
Speaker 1: Looks interesting, which is which can be both. Right, You're like,
Speaker 1: if you must if it looks good, you must think
Speaker 1: I feel good in it.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's just still to my I think I'm just
Speaker 3: accepting it. Really, go okay, that's it's got to get
Speaker 3: out of the beast and I can do great, then
Speaker 3: that's fine. I can get away with that or something
Speaker 3: that's place. Is that all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think just being like this will do for now. Like,
Speaker 1: if that's all you can do, it's better than like
Speaker 1: having a pile of clothes ten feet hind in the
Speaker 1: background of seventeen things that you've tried and nothing's work.
Speaker 1: So minimal time, minimal energy. If you can get dress
Speaker 1: and walk out the door and feel okay, great, start exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's why Caitlyn's here, Francisca, because we're trying to elevate.
Speaker 3: From the we're at the low bath that we're sitting at.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the Black Right, and I was
Speaker 2: thinking about what you said about women often think they
Speaker 2: have to duce to look sad. War mean that the
Speaker 2: key is we get told oh, that's flattering, which is key,
Speaker 2: which is co right for smaller Yeah yeah, and we
Speaker 2: get stuck in there, yeah we do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're told not to take up space, but we're told
Speaker 1: not to be bold, be different.
Speaker 2: We just get that language from the get go.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we just that looks great on yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you look like you're really enjoying that outfit.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't know how i'd take that, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it's.
Speaker 1: One of those things where my opinion on what you're
Speaker 1: wearing ultimately doesn't matter. What catches our eye is people
Speaker 1: that feel really good in or look really good in
Speaker 1: what they're wearing because they've got confidence in it. It's
Speaker 1: actually not about what they're actually wearing necessarily. It's not
Speaker 1: about how big or small they are. It's not about
Speaker 1: how young or old they are. If they know, they
Speaker 1: pull it off like they're rocking it.
Speaker 3: I love that. I do that too.
Speaker 1: I do it in change rooms that we're going to
Speaker 1: come out. I'll be like, I really like that on you,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, oh thanks. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's a really nice little boast of sunshine.
Speaker 3: I don't think we do it enough, just a quick
Speaker 3: compliment to which, you know, Yeah, are we guilty of
Speaker 3: not having fun with our wardrobe, especially as we age?
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think I get it. Life gets in
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, I've got three kids, under ten.
Speaker 1: I've got four seconds in the morning to get dressed,
Speaker 1: and I think you do just grab what's easy and
Speaker 1: what's there. But that's where I come back to my
Speaker 1: style foundations with my clients. So if your whole wardrobe
Speaker 1: is built on your style foundations, everything should be a
Speaker 1: little bit fun or everything should work in a way
Speaker 1: that works for you. So I kind of have an
Speaker 1: expression with my clients. If it's not a hair yes,
Speaker 1: it's a no.
Speaker 3: This is almost like Maria kondoing and a joy your wardrobe,
Speaker 3: isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. You have to like it has
Speaker 1: to be the best white T shirt that you have found,
Speaker 1: Like you need to love that white T shirt. It's
Speaker 1: not if a client is about to go, oh, this
Speaker 1: will do before they buy something, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: Let's think about this, Like why are we settling? You know,
Speaker 1: there's so much choice out there. So I think, if
Speaker 1: we're really smart about how we build our wardrobe, and
Speaker 1: that will come back to the capsule wardrobe point later
Speaker 1: as well, we're really smart about how we build our wardrobe,
Speaker 1: we should be able to have fun every day, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of fun to me would be white T shirts
Speaker 2: out the wazoo and the and dozens of piece of
Speaker 2: jeans that I could marry every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that in a good few blazes.
Speaker 1: And that's your sense of style, right, that's your personal style.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I mean I probably would get bored, because I do
Speaker 2: get bored. But you know they changed the white T
Speaker 2: shirt thing kind of head a mark with me, because
Speaker 2: that is it's an eternal quist for the perfect white
Speaker 2: and then you.
Speaker 1: Find one, and then six months later you're like, this
Speaker 1: is what look perfect white tea?
Speaker 3: Anymore? Are these certain things though, even though you say
Speaker 3: that the antony rules are these certain things though that
Speaker 3: maybe as we do age that we shouldn't be wearing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, if you love it, wear it. I
Speaker 1: remember so clearly a conversation once with I was with
Speaker 1: a fellow stylist and we were talking to another couple
Speaker 1: and the lady made quite a judging comment about somebody
Speaker 1: else in the crowd about what they were wearing. And
Speaker 1: I normally would let it slide, and I actually just said, hey,
Speaker 1: it's her body, it's her choice, like she she feels
Speaker 1: good in it, And she was basically implying she was
Speaker 1: too old to wear what she was wearing, but she
Speaker 1: feels good in it.
Speaker 3: Who are we to judge? So if you feel like
Speaker 3: you rocket rocket? I take inspiration from an unusual place,
Speaker 3: the YMCA gym Oh Yeah, which is, you know, one
Speaker 3: of the uncolest gyms around. And I go to it
Speaker 3: and I love it. And there is a range of
Speaker 3: people in there of all ages and all sizes, and
Speaker 3: I love seeing the confidence that people have yeah with
Speaker 3: what they wear.
Speaker 1: I am as a Queenslander. We talked about this before
Speaker 1: I'm a Queenslander and I went home for Christmas one
Speaker 1: year and I came back and I wrote a blog
Speaker 1: on how to dress like a Queenslander. It is so
Speaker 1: hot in summer in Queensland. No one cares about their arms.
Speaker 1: They just want the breeze. Like there's like these women
Speaker 1: rocking these beautiful, colorful, floaty strappy dresses because it's too
Speaker 1: hot to wear sleeves, and no one cares. Everyone says, oh,
Speaker 1: she looks amazing. I think we're getting our own heads
Speaker 1: way too much about what we should and shouldn't wear
Speaker 1: at certain points in our life. And I ultimately, if
Speaker 1: you love it, wear it.
Speaker 2: I like that answer. That's fantastic. We am our producer
Speaker 2: has an issue with shoes.
Speaker 3: And that's pulsively. I hope she doesn't mind me saying
Speaker 3: this is because she's got quite a big hoof.
Speaker 1: That was quite a specific question. I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: I was like, shoes are a thing, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Well I also have a big hoof. I don't, yeah,
Speaker 2: me don't. Yeah, a team eleven sometimes, ah, you go
Speaker 2: it with eleven too? Well, only in runners, But yes,
Speaker 2: I can attend quite Oh no, it's easy to go
Speaker 2: up to a tin and.
Speaker 1: Nine is pretty standard now. I am a nine, and
Speaker 1: growing up I had quite a big foot. But heaps
Speaker 1: of clients have tens and elevens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you used to get them in the sails, and
Speaker 2: it's sta't now. So we will have a shoe favors
Speaker 2: shoe for day to day life. And thank god trainers
Speaker 2: became fashionable at one point because this. But if you
Speaker 2: need a smarter shoe, what what what should you be
Speaker 2: looking at?
Speaker 1: I a shiny trainer. I'm such a trainers, go to trainers.
Speaker 1: I don't hate a little heeled boot. I think just
Speaker 1: that little bit of a heel that's that's wearable to help.
Speaker 1: It's still wearable, walkable, but just to elevate a little bit.
Speaker 1: A heeled boot is good. I think it's more in
Speaker 1: the material of the shoe than it is in the style.
Speaker 1: So again I think about is it a leather trainer,
Speaker 1: is it a metallic is it a brogue? Is it
Speaker 1: a ballet flat? But is it something a little bit fancy?
Speaker 1: I don't look at me. I'm in a white Chucks.
Speaker 3: I don't worry.
Speaker 1: We're all white. A love a white sneaker. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's for me. It's the metallic is actually the key.
Speaker 1: Like if I need to dress some it's either a
Speaker 1: metallic ballet flat or a metallic trainer, or yet a
Speaker 1: little bit of a healed boot and not black, Like like,
Speaker 1: choose a shoe that is a little bit different, and
Speaker 1: it just it elevates it. So my wardrobe is full
Speaker 1: of colored trainers, and it's full of ankle boots that
Speaker 1: aren't black. So I've got brown, I've got pink, I've
Speaker 1: got white, I've got gold.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: But they just make a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: difference rather than the actual style of the shoe.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, that's right, because then you can elevate an outfit
Speaker 2: with the with the colored boot.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you have like black jeans on and a
Speaker 1: white T shirt and a blazer, and you put a
Speaker 1: pink boat rather than a black boot, just lifts at
Speaker 1: that smadge.
Speaker 3: Like a right. Let's talk about sorting out and making
Speaker 3: the most of our wardrobes. Why can we have a
Speaker 3: wardrobe full of clothes but we feel like we've got
Speaker 3: nothing to wear because we.
Speaker 1: Haven't bought intentionally. We've shopped, We've shopped for that hit
Speaker 1: of like, oh, pretty shiny, and we haven't actually thought
Speaker 1: about how it's working in our wardrobe. So we've scott
Speaker 1: have kind of impulse bought, or we've gone, I need
Speaker 1: a white T shirt and you've got seventeen in your
Speaker 1: wardrobe already, and then you look at it and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: the which white T shirt to wear? So you almost
Speaker 1: create the overwhelm. So you over buy the things you're
Speaker 1: confident in buying, and then you're not thinking about.
Speaker 2: That's the other very good point. You over buy the
Speaker 2: things you're confident about buying and then ignore the risk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get overwhelmed by those Like I said,
Speaker 1: the seventeen white T shirt. It's which try to pick
Speaker 1: if you had two, be a really easy choice.
Speaker 3: That's really funny about buying, buying things without thinking about
Speaker 3: how it fits them with the rest of your wardrobe
Speaker 3: and things I bought. I was in Port Douglass and
Speaker 3: I couldn't resist what my family calls the fierce to dress,
Speaker 3: which is this kind of it's like this Moroccan bright,
Speaker 3: colorful off the shoulders, sort of big, kind of multi layers.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely good. No, they won't even wear it out
Speaker 3: of the house, would you were. I were in the
Speaker 3: garden occasionally that's a holiday purchase. They were all laugh
Speaker 3: at me, going, that is something that you bought when
Speaker 3: you were somewhere else that you thought you would bring
Speaker 3: back to New Zealand and wear and you are not
Speaker 3: leaving the house in there and they call it my
Speaker 3: fierce to dress occasion. I'm going to tune up to
Speaker 3: a kids graduation in the Fears of Juice just to
Speaker 3: just with a hat, even just to really you know,
Speaker 3: annoy them. But there's just a pure example of buying
Speaker 3: something that you then hang on. What was I thinking
Speaker 3: that's not going to fit end?
Speaker 1: We have thought about what's missing in our wardrobe? We
Speaker 1: haven't thought about what we do every day, so where
Speaker 1: are we going, what are we doing? And what do
Speaker 1: we need to get dressed for? And I think that's
Speaker 1: the kind of like the missing piece sometimes as we go,
Speaker 1: Oh I like that or pretty shiny, I like that skirt,
Speaker 1: or I like those shoes, but we're not thinking about
Speaker 1: the context of how they work into our wardrobe and
Speaker 1: into our life.
Speaker 3: So if we stand back now and we look at
Speaker 3: our wardrobe, how do we assesss it?
Speaker 1: First thing we do is we've got our star foundations right,
Speaker 1: so we understand more about our colors, our best bits,
Speaker 1: and our star personality. Then we literally we take everything
Speaker 1: out bit by bit, Like so we're going to ma
Speaker 1: recondo your wardrobe. Take everything out. I tend to do
Speaker 1: it in sections with clients. So take out all your tops.
Speaker 1: You create three piles. Yes, yes, I love it, Yes
Speaker 1: I wear it. No, No, I haven't worn it in
Speaker 1: X amount of years. So that could be and we're
Speaker 1: pushing it now, but I would still use COVID, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're what five years post COVID. If you
Speaker 1: haven't worn it in five years, probs needs to go.
Speaker 1: She's literally hiding behind the microphone. I know, if you
Speaker 1: haven't worn it since COVID probably needs to go. Maybe,
Speaker 1: so maybe is I love it, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how to wear it. She's like, my whole wardrobes go.
Speaker 3: You would die if you came to my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how much like? But if you open? How
Speaker 1: do you feel in your open in your ward room
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 3: I have boxes under my bead of clothes, which those
Speaker 3: boxes can just go. Well, my daughters are, to be fair,
Speaker 3: my daughter is taking a lot of clothes, which is awesome.
Speaker 3: I love that whole recycling thing. Yes, but it's interesting,
Speaker 3: you know when it comes to those piles there are
Speaker 3: that do you love it yes? Do you wear it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But I love it? You know I have a couple
Speaker 3: of those. I have a hoarding Yeah, I do have
Speaker 3: a hoarding issue. So I may just one day just
Speaker 3: need that item.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But they need to think about, like, how many
Speaker 1: times in the last five years have you just needed
Speaker 1: that item?
Speaker 2: Have you even thought about it?
Speaker 3: Could I even fit it?
Speaker 1: But these are all the things we're thinking about, right,
Speaker 1: does it fit me? Does it suit my style? Is
Speaker 1: it my color palette? Does it show off my best bits.
Speaker 1: So we've got these filters that take some of that
Speaker 1: emotion away and they actually we're fitting into a more
Speaker 1: practical kind of filtering process. But the maybe pile is
Speaker 1: for some of those pieces, so it's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: really so there's boxes under your beard. That's the maybe pile,
Speaker 1: the pieces you're not quite ready to let go of yet,
Speaker 1: but they're not actually serving you in every day. What
Speaker 1: you want to be able to do is open up
Speaker 1: your wardrobe and go, I'm going to grab that top,
Speaker 1: those pants, that jacket shows go. So everything that's in
Speaker 1: the main view has to be the stuff that you're
Speaker 1: wearing every day. So you want to have that clarity
Speaker 1: rather than the bridesmaid's dress you wore six years ago
Speaker 1: that's front and center in your wardrobe. We need to
Speaker 1: do a rejig. So go through it and if doing
Speaker 1: your whole wardrobe feels overwhelming in one day, do it
Speaker 1: in sections. I with clients, we normally just kind of
Speaker 1: touch and feel. We don't try everything on, but I
Speaker 1: actually did for myself in sections because it was too
Speaker 1: much to all on. One is I tried everything on
Speaker 1: and I was holding onto things, had a beautiful Charlice
Speaker 1: Cooper dress that had flamingos on it. I love flamingos,
Speaker 1: had flamingoes on it, blah blah blah, and I used
Speaker 1: to look amazing. I put it on, I went, whoa,
Speaker 1: it does not look good anymore. See you buy. But
Speaker 1: I'd held onto it. It had passed through six wardrobe
Speaker 1: bought its because I thought, yep, I love that. But
Speaker 1: I put it on and went, I'm so ready to
Speaker 1: let that go.
Speaker 2: Now, I think I think sometimes we do that, and
Speaker 2: particularly maybe you know in a cost of living crisis,
Speaker 2: we do it because we invested financials.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so true. I spent so much money
Speaker 1: on them. And now, but what you have to ask
Speaker 1: yourself is what is the what are the other costs
Speaker 1: associated with keeping it? So the overwhelm, the clutter that whole, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't buy anything else because I bought so much,
Speaker 1: I spent so much, A guilt out, the guilt, so
Speaker 1: all those other things are building up. But actually, if
Speaker 1: you let it go, it means that you've got more clarity.
Speaker 1: It means you've got more intention with what you're wearing.
Speaker 1: It means potentially you've got space to bring in something
Speaker 1: that works better for you. So again, it's actually kind
Speaker 1: of taking some of that emotion out of it totally.
Speaker 2: It is crazy, isn't it to think I'm going to
Speaker 2: wear this because I paid a lot of money for it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't do the colors, doesn't it? The color, doesn't it
Speaker 2: the best bit doesn't doesn't match my personality. But I
Speaker 2: paid for it, so I'll wear it. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to feel rubbish in it all day?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then there's also the question of, like, my weight
Speaker 3: does fluctuate quite a bit depending on what I'm doing
Speaker 3: and how much exercise I'm undoing and things, And so
Speaker 3: I am very guilty of holding onto things that I think, oh,
Speaker 3: in a couple of months, is a good chance I'll
Speaker 3: get into that that's worth keeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do we how do we we never get that?
Speaker 3: How do we actually just face fact that maybe there
Speaker 3: are some things we might not get back into.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the maybe pile. It's a really
Speaker 1: good way to use maybe pile. It's also potentially put
Speaker 1: it somewhere else, so still keep it. But if there's
Speaker 1: another like you get under the bed, is there another
Speaker 1: wardrobe it can live in the chances are, And the
Speaker 1: reality is, I guess if you do go back to
Speaker 1: that weight, whether it's more or less than you are, now,
Speaker 1: are you still gonna want to wear it? So weight
Speaker 1: shouldn't be the only factor. The size on the tag
Speaker 1: shouldn't be the only factor. Oh yes, I could defen
Speaker 1: into that size ten. I'm still gonna wear it. But again,
Speaker 1: like you said, but you don't love it, but you're
Speaker 1: just wearing it because it's the smaller size. So size
Speaker 1: is that Again, that's a whole other conversation. But size
Speaker 1: is just it's just a starting point, just a number
Speaker 1: on the tag that tells us about if that's going
Speaker 1: to fit us or not. So it shouldn't be a
Speaker 1: motivating factor for us keeping something. So I think you
Speaker 1: know your own body, and so if you're fluctuating five
Speaker 1: kilos either side, you kind of know what fits if
Speaker 1: it's ten kilos too small or ten kilos too big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that feels it feels just follow us fair.
Speaker 3: That's a good tape.
Speaker 2: That's a good measure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. That's a nice simple rule that you could. Yeah,
Speaker 3: be flexible if you like draw flexibility, I love you wist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like clothes that have got flexible.
Speaker 1: Because our bodies do fluctuate, so you want again, comfortable
Speaker 1: is a given, So look for clothes when you're making purchases,
Speaker 1: look for clothes that have got some flexibility infit.
Speaker 3: The other thing is when we're doing this, when we're
Speaker 3: going through this process of working out whether we love
Speaker 3: it or it's a maybe or it's a go. What
Speaker 3: always takes me by surprise when if I'm doing a
Speaker 3: bit of an audit, which I do do occasionally of
Speaker 3: the wardrobe, is I go, oh, hang on, that looks
Speaker 3: really good with this, Like if I am trying things on,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you realize that within your own
Speaker 3: wardrobe you don't need anything new. There's a whole lot
Speaker 3: of things you hadn't thought about putting together so much.
Speaker 3: But while you're playing, you kind of go, hey, that's
Speaker 3: a cool outfit. Oh I really like these together. I
Speaker 3: like that together, and that all of a sudden you've
Speaker 3: got a whole new.
Speaker 2: That nappy Sam for a while. I did one recently
Speaker 2: and I just found so many stains on my clothes.
Speaker 3: But you were doing you did a massive order it
Speaker 3: just recently, and you're really good. You say, if there's
Speaker 3: a Marcomet T shirt or a little hole or something
Speaker 3: like that, why is it in my drawer? Out holes?
Speaker 2: Different but marks. I did try and remediate a few
Speaker 2: marks and it did work, actually. But it's funny because
Speaker 2: I always think that that it is like going shopping,
Speaker 2: like I'm going to find something that I'd forgotten about.
Speaker 2: And I literally took everything, including the things that were
Speaker 2: in big containers on the top shelf. And this time
Speaker 2: I didn't come up with quite so many new combinations
Speaker 2: or things that I've forgotten about. So I'm a bit bereft.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's again the mental load of removing
Speaker 2: that clutter and removing that constant sort of climbing through
Speaker 2: things to get to something else that is worth millions
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: It's sharpening the acts, it's right, So it's putting in
Speaker 1: the work at the time, So it's putting aside whether
Speaker 1: it's a Sunday afternoon, whether it's a Friday night like whatever.
Speaker 1: Whenever it works for you, it's a good chunk of time.
Speaker 1: But once you do it, it makes every single morning
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: It was all day, wasn't it. I was texting.
Speaker 1: It's my frictions, like when I did the try on
Speaker 1: I had, I had, I had to sit down, I
Speaker 1: trod it on my pants. I'm ugger do anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I did. I played so in that moment. And
Speaker 1: I love that you use the word play because that's
Speaker 1: what it should be. So when you're doing that, take
Speaker 1: that time to play, because you don't have time to
Speaker 1: play at six thirty in the morning, when you have
Speaker 1: to get up and get dressed and get your kids
Speaker 1: out the door. We forgot we had netball training at
Speaker 1: seven thirty this morning. I got out of bed at
Speaker 1: five past seven, so I had to get dressed pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: so I had no time to think about it. So
Speaker 1: if I've had that chance to play. And I even
Speaker 1: said to my husband, I was like, don't you love
Speaker 1: it when you like put something on from your wardrobe
Speaker 1: that you forgot how much you love and then you
Speaker 1: put it on and he goes, no, I don't get that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I do like it. Just you you look
Speaker 1: at everything in your wardrobe every day, and particularly if
Speaker 1: you got a wardrobe like mine, which is full of
Speaker 1: color and print, you see it every day, so your
Speaker 1: brain kind of gets a little bit like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: seen that before, but then when you put it on,
Speaker 1: like you forget, Oh, I love it, That's why I
Speaker 1: bought it, Like I really love it. And it almost
Speaker 1: like you said, you shop your own wardrobe, you get
Speaker 1: that joy from the pieces that you've bought. So if
Speaker 1: we're being really conscious and discerning about what we're bringing
Speaker 1: into our wardrobe, we're always going to get that little
Speaker 1: bit of joy and dopamine when we get dressed in
Speaker 1: our own clothes, rather than searching for it continuously when
Speaker 1: we're shopping.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about we talk about sort of the
Speaker 3: idea of the captual wardrobe, the basics that that we
Speaker 3: need and you have, where do we start?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, so my theory on captual wardrobes is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. Okay. A capsual wardrobe won't necessarily be
Speaker 1: a white t shirt, a black pant, a trench, a
Speaker 1: ballet flat. A capsual wardrobe is about having pieces in
Speaker 1: your wardrobe that can be worn different ways with different things.
Speaker 1: So it's all about having versatility. It's all about being
Speaker 1: able to mix and match. And your capture wardrobe might
Speaker 1: look very different from my capsual wardrobe look very different
Speaker 1: from your capture wardrobe because It's all based on your colors,
Speaker 1: your best bits, and your style personality. So mixing and
Speaker 1: matching is the key. So it's been able to wear
Speaker 1: that top with all the bottoms you own, and it's
Speaker 1: about being confident even when it comes to bags and shoes.
Speaker 1: I have a bag that's the most incredible satrine CHARTRUSI
Speaker 1: kind of yellow, which is a random color but works
Speaker 1: with all my colors that I wear, and it's my
Speaker 1: most worn bag. And I would say that's part of
Speaker 1: my capsule because it's a color that works with everything.
Speaker 1: So versatility is key.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm terrible with accessories. That is my Kelly's
Speaker 2: heel foreshore, especially bags or anyway, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting and quite encouraging because I've always sort
Speaker 2: of a capsule in the way you described it, the
Speaker 2: ballet flats, the trench, the genes, the white shit, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I couldn't quite work out.
Speaker 3: It's traditionally what magazines has sort of fold you. You know,
Speaker 3: you need all these these are the basics, and then
Speaker 3: put a bit of colorin, you know, as an afterthought. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have one item of color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if that's if classic clean and cheek is
Speaker 1: your star personality, great, But if eclectic, boho and bold
Speaker 1: is your star personality, none of that's gonna work.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait to figure out what? Well, what
Speaker 2: my words are?
Speaker 3: You're listening to the little things in our guest on
Speaker 3: the podcast today is personal stylist and style coach Kateon
Speaker 3: and Taylor talking about discovering our own personal style and
Speaker 3: feeling good and what we wear. We'll be back after
Speaker 3: the break, walk back. What's dopamine dressing? Oh?
Speaker 1: So, dopamine dressing is dressing in a way that makes
Speaker 1: you feel good, right, as simple as that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be color and print. But traditionally, I guess
Speaker 1: that the way that we talk about it and go
Speaker 1: to come to dopamine dressing is bright colours, white prints.
Speaker 1: But it's things that give us that little bit of
Speaker 1: a kick of like, oh this is nice. I like this,
Speaker 1: and that we get rewarded for doing so. Dopamine is
Speaker 1: like a reward hormone. So if we wear something and
Speaker 1: someone goes you look amazing or I feel amazing, we
Speaker 1: want to do it again. So it's that kind of
Speaker 1: constant I really like this, I really like this so
Speaker 1: it could be like your striped T shirt could be
Speaker 1: your dopemine dressing because it's your favorite T shirt. Wearing sequins,
Speaker 1: wearing combat boots, whatever floats your boat is dopemine dressing.
Speaker 1: So it's wearing things that make you feel good.
Speaker 2: I follow mea Friedman on Instagram. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you do. She's a big fan of the type ofmine teracy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she doesn't give a top.
Speaker 1: She doesn't care, and I love that for her. And
Speaker 1: she takes so much, she cuts so much from like
Speaker 1: the girls in the office about what she's wearing, but
Speaker 1: she doesn't care.
Speaker 3: She owns it.
Speaker 2: That's right. I don't know if you'll find me in
Speaker 2: long jawts in a blazer though, but it.
Speaker 1: Works the Maya exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay. So once we have sorted out our clothing, our
Speaker 3: existing clothes, if you want to add to the wardrobe,
Speaker 3: what should we be looking to add? I mean, is
Speaker 3: it as simple as going what don't I have? Or
Speaker 3: is it going what could I add to make this
Speaker 3: even better? Or if you're like me, you just see
Speaker 3: something you like and you fuy it.
Speaker 1: So you're allowed to do that. And we'll get to
Speaker 1: the shopping rules later, but you're allowed to do that
Speaker 1: if it chicks a couple of boxes. But I think
Speaker 1: the easiest way to create a shopping list is to, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at what's missing, and I guess, think about again,
Speaker 1: where you're going in the day, what are you doing,
Speaker 1: what kind of outfits do you want to create, and
Speaker 1: are there elements of that that are missing. We talk
Speaker 1: about in people's wardrobes. I talk about workhorses and wows.
Speaker 1: So your workhorses are your basics, so they're the pieces
Speaker 1: that kind of do the supporting. Your wows are just
Speaker 1: what they sound. They're the pieces that are the showstoppers,
Speaker 1: like the statement pieces. But again, your WOW might be
Speaker 1: the striped T shirt and your workhorse is the black
Speaker 1: bottom half. Your WOW might be a sequence blazer, and
Speaker 1: then your workhorse is the white T shirt and jeans
Speaker 1: that you wear with it. So it's making sure we've
Speaker 1: got the balance. Most people's wardrobes I see are out
Speaker 1: of balance. We have too many workhorses, not enough wows.
Speaker 3: And I've got a theory behind there, and that is
Speaker 3: because the wows are really hard to find. If you
Speaker 3: need a dress to go to rewards, if you need
Speaker 3: a dress to go to a wedding or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to find and you can DIY totally.
Speaker 1: So I'm also so fan of if you see something
Speaker 1: that you love, like particularly for those kinds of things,
Speaker 1: by it and the occasion will present itself. No, I
Speaker 1: agree that a WOW could be a really cool denim jacket.
Speaker 1: I've got a denim jacket that's got like a sequin
Speaker 1: eye on the back, and that, to me is a WOW.
Speaker 1: So what it means is that everything else I wear
Speaker 1: around it supports it rather than tries to. So rather
Speaker 1: than trying to wear six wows, rather than trying to
Speaker 1: wear statement pants and a philly blouse and that denim jacket,
Speaker 1: I'm picking my WOW and my workhorses are supporting it.
Speaker 1: And so people either have one or the other. They
Speaker 1: have a wardrobe full of wows or a wardrobe full
Speaker 1: of workhorses, And often what we're looking for is the
Speaker 1: balance of the other one. So wows are the things
Speaker 1: that like really define your style, and the workhorses might
Speaker 1: be things like the basic tea and the good gene.
Speaker 3: Well, it's quite not to think about as we're going
Speaker 3: to go through these wardrobes. Just kind of like, okay, one,
Speaker 3: do I love it? Okay, yes too? Does it hit
Speaker 3: all the you know, my requirements? And then is it
Speaker 3: a wow? Is it as quite a lot?
Speaker 1: Only there was someone that like did that could help
Speaker 1: you with that?
Speaker 3: It is so much easier. That's a really great way
Speaker 3: of putting it, though, like work how the workhorses in
Speaker 3: the wow, because sometimes I'm kind of like, Okay, now
Speaker 3: what do I put with this? And Okay, now I
Speaker 3: need you've got the dress. Okay, now I need the
Speaker 3: wow shoes to go with it, or you need the
Speaker 3: this or that, But actually it's just just one wow. Frinchise.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm the reverse. I think I probably
Speaker 2: wear too much workhorse and not enough wows. And then
Speaker 2: I put on a well and I get that sense
Speaker 2: of overwhelm because I haven't I'm not in the habit
Speaker 2: of doing it. So it might be that like that
Speaker 2: fac till you make it thing. Yeah, you just put
Speaker 2: on an exposure therapy, just wear the gold cardigan.
Speaker 1: And the place we feel the most overdressed often is
Speaker 1: our own bedroom because it's the place that we feel
Speaker 1: like we're the most comfortable. So often when you go
Speaker 1: you're in your jarmys. It's your safe space. So when
Speaker 1: you do get dressed in front of your mirror and
Speaker 1: you're putting something on that feels a little bit elevated,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's too much. Oh no, no, could possibly, but
Speaker 1: actually once you walk out the door and into the
Speaker 1: real world, you're nailing it. I remember the moment I
Speaker 1: realized that it was to do with heels, all right,
Speaker 1: because I'm quite tall, and I remember going to an
Speaker 1: industry event and putting heels on with my mouth and
Speaker 1: go oh no, no, that's too much. Yes, and put
Speaker 1: flats on, walked into the room. Should have worn heels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's happened to me before too. I think
Speaker 2: I lived in London for a few years and I
Speaker 2: never felt you doreast up there a bit more. Even
Speaker 2: to go to work, you wore a two piece seat
Speaker 2: and I don't work, and I could wear that to
Speaker 2: my work environment and no one would bad nilid. Or
Speaker 2: I could wear my traxi pants as well, and probably
Speaker 2: no one with bad nyelid. So it's really up to
Speaker 2: me to say, well, what do I feel like today,
Speaker 2: and I don't we trax it pants by the way
Speaker 2: to work, because it would affect how I felt about
Speaker 2: how seriously I take my work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, what will look cool though?
Speaker 3: The tracks?
Speaker 1: It pants with the soup blazer. Oh you said, could
Speaker 1: like that would be a cool.
Speaker 3: Common Yeah, I'm going to try that.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's your work.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, this is it all makes sense around yeah, evolution. Okay,
Speaker 3: So where do people go wrong when they go shopping?
Speaker 3: What's the most common mistake we make?
Speaker 1: Not trying things on?
Speaker 3: Okay, not trying things on.
Speaker 1: I was saying to you guys before they record. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I see so much is I'll
Speaker 1: pull a piece out for a client to try and
Speaker 1: they will look at me like I've got two heads
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying that on. That's not going to
Speaker 1: work it And they put it on. They go, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, this is my new favorite thing. So you're
Speaker 1: not going to grow, you're not going to elevate, you're
Speaker 1: not going to expand your personal style if you're not
Speaker 1: trying new things. So sticking to the same over buying
Speaker 1: the things we're confident at buying one hundred percent the
Speaker 1: biggest mistake I see when we go shopping. Also judging
Speaker 1: a shop by who you think should shop.
Speaker 2: There, Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: So not going into certain stores or thinking that you
Speaker 1: have to go into certain stores because of who you
Speaker 1: think should spoiler alert. No one can see the tag
Speaker 1: on your garment, and the only reason someone's going to
Speaker 1: know where it's from is if they own it too,
Speaker 1: So don't worry about where you're buying stuff. Buy the
Speaker 1: stuff that's best for you.
Speaker 2: I bought a cute little drest from a shop I
Speaker 2: would never have looked in, and I have worn and
Speaker 2: worn it and yeah, literally no one's even ask me
Speaker 2: where it's from, and I haven't seen anyone else wearing
Speaker 2: it either. Yep.
Speaker 1: And pulse buying, oh so, I'm very much. My natural
Speaker 1: personality is like a massive impulse shopper. But with clients,
Speaker 1: I'm so strict. If it's not on the list, no,
Speaker 1: it has to go down the bottom. So you, as
Speaker 1: part of that wardrobe order process, you create that list,
Speaker 1: and that could be a running list on your phone,
Speaker 1: so it could be you know, so every time you
Speaker 1: go to the shops, you'll if you're in the shops
Speaker 1: and you're browsing, refer back to your list. Again. It
Speaker 1: comes back down to like grocery shopping, if you're going
Speaker 1: around the grocery shops and you've got a list to
Speaker 1: make the meals, and then you buy a ram steak,
Speaker 1: but you've got nothing else to put with the steak.
Speaker 1: The steaks is going to sit in the fridge and
Speaker 1: go off because you haven't actually thought about what meal
Speaker 1: you're working it into. So impulse buys nine times out
Speaker 1: of ten. Unless you've got real confidence in your style foundations,
Speaker 1: Like if you know exactly what you love and exactly
Speaker 1: what works for you, and you know that everything you
Speaker 1: buy is going to slot into your wardrobe, I would say, like,
Speaker 1: just put press pause. I'm not saying don't buy it,
Speaker 1: just think about it.
Speaker 3: It took me years not to resist the impulse to
Speaker 3: buy on sale, and so but now I've got a
Speaker 3: bit of a terrible well it's I think it's a
Speaker 3: very good habit. When I find something I really like
Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily need, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to film a car and you know, pay for
Speaker 3: other bills and things. I take a photo of the
Speaker 3: label and I wait till it goes on sale, and
Speaker 3: then when it goes on sale, if it's a good price,
Speaker 3: and I you know, i've got some cash from my account,
Speaker 3: I'll purchase it then. Yeah, but I don't if is
Speaker 3: a sale on, I don't go shopping in sales. Good girl,
Speaker 3: So I do not actually go shopping in a sale.
Speaker 3: It's great it's a sale, but if I don't need something,
Speaker 3: you don't need to go shopping. But if there's something
Speaker 3: I've found and it happens to be on sale, and
Speaker 3: I've already tried it on and I know it's going
Speaker 3: to work, and you're still thinking about it, and I'm
Speaker 3: still thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So what I get to do with when we shop
Speaker 1: with my clients is that even within the two hour
Speaker 1: timeframe that we shop, we put everything on hold. So
Speaker 1: we might go into one store and everything we like
Speaker 1: we hold because at the end of two hours they've
Speaker 1: often forgotten half of the things they've been rid on.
Speaker 1: So that's a really good tool to use with impulse
Speaker 1: shopping because it means if you're still thinking about it,
Speaker 1: then it's probably going to be worth more in your
Speaker 1: wardrobe down in the long run.
Speaker 2: I'm still stuck on making a list. I don't know
Speaker 2: how I haven't thought of there before.
Speaker 3: So what are some of these shopping rules what are
Speaker 3: the other shopping rules? Okay, so five shopping rules we
Speaker 3: love as five to five. If it doesn't blow your
Speaker 3: hair back, if it's not a heck, yes, it's a no.
Speaker 3: So you have to see something and go, oh, you
Speaker 3: have to have that.
Speaker 1: We caught the shoppinges. You have to have that warm,
Speaker 1: fuzzy feeling about every single thing active where jim pajamas.
Speaker 2: The shoals.
Speaker 1: I have to have it so it doesn't blow your
Speaker 1: hair back. Don't buy it if you can't think of
Speaker 1: three things that you already own that it will work with,
Speaker 1: at least think about it. So go and do your
Speaker 1: research in your own wardrobe. And that's where having done
Speaker 1: an audit, knowing what's in your wardrobe, it's kind of
Speaker 1: fresher in your mind and you know what's missing. So
Speaker 1: if you can't think of three ways to work it
Speaker 1: back in your existing wardrobe, it doesn't come home. What
Speaker 1: your bum looks like in something is not your problem.
Speaker 1: You can't see it, so don't worry about it. So
Speaker 1: Chaine rooms are notoriously terrible for their lighting and their
Speaker 1: mirrors and all those kinds of things. So you need
Speaker 1: to understand, like how you how you feel in it.
Speaker 1: Come out of the change rooms, go into the main store,
Speaker 1: like have a think about it, and don't stand in
Speaker 1: front of the mirror and like contort yourself round to
Speaker 1: check out your own bum like it's you can't see it.
Speaker 1: Sn't worry about it, it's what it looks like. Kind
Speaker 1: of overall, if it's not on the list, at least
Speaker 1: put it on holds. That's talking to that impulse shopping
Speaker 1: and rule number five, and this will resound with you.
Speaker 1: Don't use the sale price for the defining factor for purchase.
Speaker 1: So don't buy it just because it's on sale. You
Speaker 1: think that you're saving twenty bucks, but you're actually still
Speaker 1: wasting fifty.
Speaker 3: I know that I love the way we do maths,
Speaker 3: and I'll come back to ourselves that we're maeah because
Speaker 3: even when I'm shopping online, say'm looking on the iconic,
Speaker 3: I'll go to the sale section first.
Speaker 2: So that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't pay full price for it? Don't buy it?
Speaker 2: No, No, that's right. But I'm so conditioned to getting
Speaker 2: a behaving money because you're raising a family and you're
Speaker 2: not just on yourself. I agree, Yeah, I like it,
Speaker 2: although I do I have some great things for themselves.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I love I love a bargain,
Speaker 1: love a bargain. And if it's exactly like you said,
Speaker 1: if it's something that you've researched and put on the
Speaker 1: list and you love it and then it's on sale,
Speaker 1: amazing like cherry on top. But don't if you wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay full price for it, if it doesn't take all
Speaker 1: your other boxes, if it's not on your list, if
Speaker 1: it doesn't match your style foundations, if you can't think
Speaker 1: of three things to wear it with, if it doesn't
Speaker 1: blow your hair back, don't buy it just because it's
Speaker 1: on sale.
Speaker 2: So I noticed that trends went on your rules list.
Speaker 2: So what do we what do we make of trenes
Speaker 2: in particular the thing that's coming to my mind because
Speaker 2: I do have a lot of jeans, but I do
Speaker 2: not have a pair of these other bubble jeans, and
Speaker 2: they seem to be getting bigger.
Speaker 1: Like a barrel egg. Yeah, I love barrel leggs, not bubble,
Speaker 1: barrel not bubble yeah, barrel bubble, same thing, the big
Speaker 1: round Onesah. Okay, so trends for me again, it ultimately
Speaker 1: comes down to your style personality. So I love a
Speaker 1: trend if it were on my body shape, if it matches,
Speaker 1: Like I love a barrel leg. I think because my
Speaker 1: style is a little bit like quirk is not the
Speaker 1: right word, but it's a little bit playful. So the shape,
Speaker 1: like the silhouette of the barrel, I really lean into
Speaker 1: because it's really fun. But there's some trends I don't
Speaker 1: personally love, like the funnel neck jackets, Like that's not
Speaker 1: a trend that suits my body shape or suits my
Speaker 1: sense of style. So I think it's really important that
Speaker 1: with trends, and trends are so fast now because they
Speaker 1: used to be dictated by the fashion houses and then
Speaker 1: they were dictated by magazines. Now they're dictated by social media,
Speaker 1: and they move so quickly that by the time they
Speaker 1: filter down to the mainstream, the people at the top
Speaker 1: are creating a whole new trend. So unless it's something
Speaker 1: that really really resonates with your own sense of style,
Speaker 1: then you don't need to do it. Saying that something
Speaker 1: like a barrel leg is very much like a cool
Speaker 1: way to update your style. So if you're a jeens girly,
Speaker 1: then like rocking a new shape can definitely make you
Speaker 1: feel more current, more modern. But if, again, if your
Speaker 1: star foundation are about being classic and clean, then maybe
Speaker 1: it's not your vibe. And that's okay too.
Speaker 2: I know for one hundred per cent certain if low
Speaker 2: slang jeans color, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 3: No. Well, I did read somewhere recently that skinny jeans
Speaker 3: are back. I would. I have a pair of those
Speaker 3: in my cabin and I pulled them out and I
Speaker 3: put them on and I zip them up. They had
Speaker 3: a bit of streach them and I, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 3: this is amazing, this is fantastic. And I ended up
Speaker 3: steams to do something and I've bent over and my
Speaker 3: bum popped out, and I went, oh, I can no, No,
Speaker 3: that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite, So skinny jeans never. I never wore
Speaker 1: jeans when skinny jeans are a thing because I just
Speaker 1: don't love them on my body. But so when wide
Speaker 1: legs and barrel legs started to come out, I now
Speaker 1: own too many jeans because I'm leaning in so hard
Speaker 1: to the shape. But I love particularly things like denim.
Speaker 1: Anything goes now, And I think that's almost because the
Speaker 1: trends moved so far.
Speaker 3: Can I just ask where you buy your jeans. I
Speaker 3: can't buy jeans that suit me. Okay, sorry.
Speaker 1: My favorite jeans generally a little cheapiees. So I love
Speaker 1: a posty Jane. I love a k marte. Jane posts
Speaker 1: posty jeans.
Speaker 2: We're going shopping, Frits.
Speaker 1: Good posted is great?
Speaker 3: Is it on the list? You just said you've got
Speaker 3: a million pairs of jeans?
Speaker 1: Fad do you list first past for her?
Speaker 2: She doesn't have jenes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: My my favorite barrel legs, so are the Levi's baggy
Speaker 1: daddy barrel eggs. You can't go on with a classic
Speaker 1: like a Levi. And again, so many different varieties, there
Speaker 1: so many genes around at the moment, and again it
Speaker 1: is it is trial and error because there are so
Speaker 1: many different styles around. But it's just all about the
Speaker 1: quality of the denim that they're looking for. So the more,
Speaker 1: the more cotton, the less lastane, the better because you
Speaker 1: want that rigid denim that's gonna feel secure, hold you
Speaker 1: in and not stretch. So remember back in the day,
Speaker 1: you're like the peak of skinny jeans. We were all
Speaker 1: wearing jeggings and they you'd wear them twice and the
Speaker 1: bum would just stag just too much a lastane in them,
Speaker 1: so we didn't have that structure of the cotton. So yeah,
Speaker 1: a rigid denim is going to be generally a better
Speaker 1: fit gene.
Speaker 2: And size wise, just in general, but it is relevant
Speaker 2: to genes. We just ignore the size on the thing
Speaker 2: and try on.
Speaker 1: What you just start somewhere though. My favorite genes are
Speaker 1: Levi's I'm a different size in the black than I
Speaker 1: am in the blue. Yeah, it does my hidden Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the dye that you dye the cotton with will
Speaker 1: affect the how the cotton performs differently.
Speaker 3: But is that sizes in general, because I think we
Speaker 3: do get it.
Speaker 2: It's stuck on sizes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a starting point, it really is. And there's
Speaker 1: so much context around size it depends on. There's no
Speaker 1: standardized sizing. The last standardized sizing in Australia and New
Speaker 1: Zealand was done in the fifties, so there is no
Speaker 1: landmark benchmark that says this is the measurement for a
Speaker 1: size fourteen. So brands are using kind of somewhere where.
Speaker 1: And again I've got my own brand and I fit
Speaker 1: it all on me as a twelve. But I'm quite
Speaker 1: a generous twelve, so my fits are slightly more generous.
Speaker 1: So it's the starting point. So pick about where you
Speaker 1: are and then go up or down depending on how
Speaker 1: you want things to fit. So again this is not
Speaker 1: necessarily about it being tighter or making you look smaller.
Speaker 1: If you want something to be more oversized, go up
Speaker 1: a size. If you want something to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more fitted, go down a size. I've got everything
Speaker 1: in my wardrobe from a size. I have a size
Speaker 1: four jacket because it was super oversized and I wanted
Speaker 1: it nature. And I've got sized sixteen pair of pants
Speaker 1: and I'm a standard size twelve and inverted commers.
Speaker 2: So just the starting point, we're not we're not going
Speaker 2: to fix and actually, gosh, might be but boring if
Speaker 2: we knew exactly what we were all the time, And there's.
Speaker 1: Not you can't, like women's bodies are so different that
Speaker 1: you can't just use those three measurements last waist tips
Speaker 1: to to depict a size. Like, there's so much more
Speaker 1: nuance to fit.
Speaker 3: Finally, just really quickly, that whole question about should we buy,
Speaker 3: you know, something that's a little bit more expensive and
Speaker 3: it's gonna last longer, or should we look for sort
Speaker 3: of cheaper options for things or does it just depend
Speaker 3: on what the item is.
Speaker 1: I think a better both. I think by the best
Speaker 1: value you can afford. So again, for me, I think
Speaker 1: a poster who came up Perry Janes is actually great
Speaker 1: value and they do the job as much as another
Speaker 1: gene things like shoes I would invest in. So I
Speaker 1: think it's by the best version of what you think
Speaker 1: and think about where you see value. So is it
Speaker 1: something that you're going to wear over and over and
Speaker 1: over again and get cost per wear out of it
Speaker 1: and something that's going to last? I think yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely a bit of a bit of both.
Speaker 1: Like you can have a mix. I think the best
Speaker 1: wadrods have a mix of cheap and cheerful and investment pieces.
Speaker 1: Just because it was more expensive doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, use use your your sense
Speaker 1: of where you see value, I think is important.
Speaker 2: That's good advice.
Speaker 3: So good, So such a good chat. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for coming in, Caitlin. That's been got a lot
Speaker 3: to think about. I love the fact though, that near
Speaker 3: the end of that whole conversation you mentioned jeans and
Speaker 3: lose immediately like, right, let's go shopping, and it's like, honey,
Speaker 3: I have that effect on people. Yes, I mean for her.
Speaker 2: You really want to pair of jeans, do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could go back to it. I used to
Speaker 3: wear jeans a lot. It's just more about exactly what
Speaker 3: you say, feeling good in them, and finding a pair
Speaker 3: that makes me feel good and fits well and is comfortable.
Speaker 3: Because I've got a little bit of to comfort.
Speaker 2: I think that that could be slight COVID hangover as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, very much so, time to bust it out.
Speaker 1: Kitin.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Such a pleasure, guys, Thanks for having me so enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I am so inspired to sort out my hoarding issue,
Speaker 3: are you though, friendship? To be fair, I have been
Speaker 3: doing that. I have been looking at because I'm actually
Speaker 3: a really big believer in selling clothes, second hand clothes.
Speaker 3: I buy second hand clothes. I don't hate things going
Speaker 3: to waste. If you've got something perfectly good that someone
Speaker 3: else might love, get it out there. I don't really
Speaker 3: care what I get for it. But I am trying
Speaker 3: very hard to recycle a whole lot of clothes. So
Speaker 3: I did start at the beginning of this year, and
Speaker 3: I have got rid of quite a few pieces.
Speaker 2: Now yours is not just a one day and it's done.
Speaker 3: No, not a little bit, but it is a lifetime
Speaker 3: of hoarding.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I still look to you know, being
Speaker 2: completely honest, I still have three bags sitting down, one
Speaker 2: man and flatmates can have fun with. One is definitely
Speaker 2: going to charity, and one I could probably just get
Speaker 2: enough money out of that bag for one new item.
Speaker 3: Can possibly do it.
Speaker 2: So even though I have done the audit, I haven't
Speaker 2: done the follow up. I love the shopping well framework
Speaker 2: not you know, Caitlan sort of said to us afterwards,
Speaker 2: don't think of it as rules, because you know, rules
Speaker 2: can be broken. But the framework around shopping I thought
Speaker 2: was excellent. I think also it actually well bring the
Speaker 2: fun back into it. If you've got a list, you
Speaker 2: can do without the guilt or the feeling of oh
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have purchased that. I mean, some people are
Speaker 2: great at ordering stuff online and then sending it back.
Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't do it, would order and I
Speaker 2: would just leave it there. I love the workhorse. Wows
Speaker 2: Oh that was thinking about that. That was brilliant that's
Speaker 2: quite cool. I did say to a women to finish,
Speaker 2: you know, you've actually does the way you described. It's
Speaker 2: almost like a sign. Yeah, she see what it kind
Speaker 2: of is. Yeah, which is why we should you know,
Speaker 2: she is an expert we should take We're really really
Speaker 2: grateful that she would come in and share that information
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 3: But the other thing that I'm going to take away
Speaker 3: from this is as well, is I'm not going to
Speaker 3: decide on an outfit because I think it makes the
Speaker 3: way it makes me look as in my size? Does
Speaker 3: this make me look slim? Does this kevinber Pott tummy?
Speaker 3: Does this do this? I'm going to think about it, like,
Speaker 3: how do do I like this outfit? I love this outfit?
Speaker 3: This outfit makes me feel good. I'm leaving in this outfit.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to change the way I think
Speaker 3: around lot. I think maybe harder than it sounds, but
Speaker 3: it comes back to.
Speaker 2: That same thing of what are you doing it for you? Francisca?
Speaker 2: Are you doing it for somebody else? Like at different
Speaker 2: times of our lives, we might we might address differently,
Speaker 2: I don't know, scientifically, tracing a mate or whatever. Who
Speaker 2: am I dressing for now? I'm fifty four, I'm dressing
Speaker 2: for me and so hopefully somebody would have got something
Speaker 2: out of that too. I know a lot of stylish
Speaker 2: women who probably you know, would say I already know that.
Speaker 2: But there's plenty of us out there sort of not
Speaker 2: making lists and actually actively avoiding going out and shopping
Speaker 2: because we don't know where to start. If you want
Speaker 2: more from Caitlin, you can find her at Chasingkate dot com.
Speaker 2: She has a range of options available to help. She's
Speaker 2: also on socials Caitlin Taylor dot stylist and she has.
Speaker 3: Her own label. It's called the Edit Label, so check
Speaker 3: it out. Thanks for joining us in our New Zealand
Speaker 3: Herald podcast series The Little Things. We hope you share
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Speaker 3: no longer struggle to decide what to put on each day.
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