1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Yoda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. New 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Zealand police continue to monitor knife crime trends worldwide while 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: other jurisdictions introduce tough new laws, getting ahead of the 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: curve before it's too late. What they're monitoring is reported 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: offending involving knife crime, the likes of serious assaults and 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: aggravated robberies. Between December twenty twenty three and December twenty 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: twenty four, there were just over sixteen hundred incidents involving 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: a stabbing or cutting weapon, a one point seven percent 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: decrease from the year before. But while New Zealand has 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: not seen attacks like the Bondi Junction attack in Sydney, 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: it hasn't been immune. Today on the Front Page, Acting 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Deputy Commissioner Mike Pannett is with us to chat about 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: what police doing to prevent knife crime here. But first off, 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: South Australia hasn't seen any spikes in knife crime either, 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: but that hasn't stopped the state introducing the toughest knife 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: laws in the country. We're joined by South Australian Attorney 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: General Kam mah to talk through the state's decision and 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: what advice he would give for New Zealand law makers. 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: Can you run me through what South Australia is doing 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to knife crime laws. 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: Yep. 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: We've had a good look right around Australia at different 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 3: elements of what different jurisdictions do in terms of making 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: the community safer in related to knife crime. And although 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: South Australia hasn't seen some of the events that many 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: people in New Zealand be familiar with, you o, the 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: tragedy of bond DII Junction shopping center and knife crime 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: particularly in the Eastern States. Although we haven't seen that 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: in South throw we were keen to make sure we 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: were doing everything we can. So we've had a look 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: at what other states do and then a lot of 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: work with the police in South Australia to put forward 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: legislation that will be debated next week in the South 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: Australian Parliament that would be the toughest knife crime laws 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: in Australia and it really composes of sort of a 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: whole lot of things, but in two broad categories. Firstly, 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: it's making sure police have a whole lot of new 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: power to detech people who might have knives, and that's 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: the wand metal detectors being able to use them in 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: a whole range of different settings without suspicion, which they 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: can't at the moment, but also ways to restrict the 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: availability of knives, and that will include things like a 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: whole range of knives, needing secure storage in stores so 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: they can't just be taken off a shelf, they have 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: to be in a locked cabinet, and restricting without any exemptions, 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: the sale of knives to people under the age of 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: eighteen years and then further offenses for adults who supply 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: knives to children. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: Has knife crime been increasing in recent years or has 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: your government just decided to be ahead of the curb. 52 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: We haven't seen any significant increase in knife crime in 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: South Australia, but most outstraams probably witness with some degree 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: of distress what we see in well publicized incidents, particularly 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: in the Eastern States. We have had a tradition in 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: South Australia having the toughest laws in Australia in relation 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: to knife crime, so we wanted to make sure we 58 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: keep up that mantle so that we're making South Australia 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: as safe as possible. 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: When you say, and I've had a look over the 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: changes being implemented. When you say a license for people 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: wishing to own certain types of knives, what are those? 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: So, in addition to the measures in restricting supply giving 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: police more powers, there will be certain types of knife 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: type weapons that will become prohibited weapons, meaning you can't 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: have them, things like swords and machetes. But then other 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: sorts of knives you have, the sharp bladed knives that 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: come to a point, will have significant restrictions on their sale. 69 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: That is behind the lock cabinets, secure storage, signage in 70 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: relation to those and signage in relations the offense of 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: people under aiding buying them. 72 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Have you had any kickback from any groups when it 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: comes to these laws. I know people here get pretty 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: nervous whenever a frontline police are given any powers to 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: kind of spot search in the lake. 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Look, there are elements who are always concerned when there 77 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: are increased police powers. But this power to use those 78 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: metal detector wands in a range of areas, and those 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: sorts of areas are declared public transport hubs, declared shopping 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: precincts of the police Commissioner can declare educational precincts like 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: schools and other places, or any area where the police 82 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: think there's a likelihood of violence or disorder. We haven't 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 3: had too much concern about those police powers that there 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: has been some concern raids from retailers who, of course 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: we'll have this new obligation to make sure knives are 86 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: securely stored, but we do that in South Australian relation 87 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: to some other products. For example, for many years now 88 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: spray paint cans have to be securely stored behind locked 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 3: doors as an anti graffiti measure so they're not just stolen. 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, it is something we done in alareas. We 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: think it's pretty reasonable. Yeah, given some of the incidents 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: we've seen interstate in Australia that knives should be stored 93 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: in the same way. 94 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: The blood bath in Bondi began at three twenty on 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 4: Saturday afternoon. Joel Cauchi drew a long blade from his 96 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: backpack and started his rampage on Level tree of the 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 4: shopping center. He stabbed multiple people before making his way 98 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: to level four. As he climbed the escalator, he was 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 4: confronted by a man with a Bollard. It was on 100 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: this level he attacked several innocent shoppers, leaving carnage between 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: Meyer and David Jones twenty five long minutes after the 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: terror began. It would end with Amy Scott opening fire 103 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 4: and stopping a murderer in his tracks. 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: How did you land on some of these options? Did 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: you consult overseas jurisdictions at all? 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we primarily ran different Australian jurisdictions. All the states 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 3: and territories have slight variations in relation to our criminal law, 108 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: so I was looking what other states do. A lot 109 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: of consultation with retail associations and the union that represents 110 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: retail workers, but the biggest consultation and the input that 111 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: was most valuable was from the South Australian police, who 112 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: had a range of ideas about how the laws could work, 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: how they could be implemented, and the power they need. But 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: also those new restrictions on the sale of knife So 115 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: I had a lot of work with police. I'm doing 116 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: this too. 117 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: What advice would you give the New Zealand government on 118 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: how to go about knife crime laws because we're kind 119 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: of in the same situation here as South Australia. Is 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: that we haven't really seen an increase and there hasn't 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: been too many there have been in the past. Of course, 122 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the new Lin terror attack down at 123 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: Countdown in New LN. What kind of advice would you 124 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: give legislators. 125 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: Here, I reckon from our experience. We put a discussion 126 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: paper out in August last year, had something like one 127 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: hundred or so public submission, and as I said, a 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: lot of interaction with law enforcement authorities. If I was 129 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: giving advice, it would be that thorough consultation. A lot, 130 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: about half of what we've now got in the bill 131 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: went out for consultation and it was that process that 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: threw up for you, as I said, from retail associations, 133 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: from the police, new and better ways to protect the public, 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: keep the community. So so that consultation piece was probably 135 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: the most vergual part of how we arrived at while 136 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: we arrived here in say. 137 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, no problem whatsoever. After meeting with 138 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Australian counterparts last year, Police Minister Mark Mitchell raised concerns 139 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: about increased levels of knife violence overseas with police here. 140 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: He had asked police for advice on the matter and 141 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: was pleased to find out they were working on a 142 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: strategy to address it. I just want to make sure 143 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: we are proactive and we do all that we can 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: as a country to make sure that we don't end 145 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: up in a situation like that, he said. But no 146 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: such strategy exists. Police are only monitoring, keeping a close 147 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: eye on what's happening overseas and will continue to closely 148 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: monitor this. To chat about this, we speak with Acting 149 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: Deputy Commissioner Mike Pennett. So after our police minister visited 150 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Australia last year, he raised concerns about increased levels of 151 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: knife crime overseas with police, he apparently was welcoming a 152 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: strategy to address it. He told The Herald at the time. 153 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that we're proactive and 154 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: we do all that we can as a country to 155 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: make sure that we don't end up in a situation 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: like that and like that, I mean the Bondi incident 157 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: in Sydney. Now has there been any work underway on 158 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: a national knife crime strategy? 159 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: So be working around knife crime and constantly keeping the 160 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 2: Minister's office and our partner agents has performed for what 161 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: the current position of knife crime is. By that, I'm 162 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: referring to our reported offending involving life crime, but also 163 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 2: what our staff on the street seeing, what having you start, 164 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: whatever events staff is seeing, and also feedback from the. 165 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Community what are staff seeing on the street. 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,119 Speaker 2: So statistically wise, our life crime figures are actually relatively 167 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: stable and have been over the last five years, but 168 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: anincdobally we are very closely monitoring areas that have increased 169 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: a little bit, and we're booking some of the city centers, 170 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: particularly Auckland City Center, some of our provinces and in 171 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: particular maybe a Hastings Hawks Bay area where we have 172 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: seen us slight upturn in knife crime, but also noting 173 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: the presence of knives and a number of robberies, and 174 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: that's something that's probably gained chealthy and that we are 175 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: seeing probably the emergence of knives slow the settings larger 176 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: weapons being used in robberies. So we're very closely one 177 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: and three that right. 178 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: So there hasn't been any noticeable increase in NFE crime 179 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: in New Zealand. What does that data look like? 180 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: So at this stage we're just looking at our figures. 181 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: We have had overall the consistency two in numbers. We're 182 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: not seeing a huge increase in the national picture. But 183 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: what we are probably acutely aware of is the exposure 184 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: to a lot of our youth to the online platforms 185 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: and social media that have another countries encouraged the carriage 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: of knives and use of knives, and we are staying 187 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: very connected to that. One of the initiatives that we 188 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: have done, particularly with our be team stutying and often 189 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: willing to equ is making them aware of the situation 190 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: and monitoring on the streets our high risk areas in 191 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: the central cities. Yeah. 192 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 5: Look, I mean incredibly sad and just shocked, to be honest, 193 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 5: and just thoughts are really with the family of the 194 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 5: of the victim because you know, you know, they were 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: just going about their everyday life, and you know, there 196 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: could have been anyone in New Zealand. And I think 197 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 5: that's why our New Zealanders will feel pretty confronted by 198 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 5: by by this issue in this incident, because you know, 199 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: there was someone trying to go about their daily life 200 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 5: and and and lost their life, and that shouldn't happen 201 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: in New Zealand. So you know, there's and I'm obviously 202 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: an ongoing investigation. I can't talk too much about the 203 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 5: specifics of that, but suffice to say, you know, we 204 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 5: need to we need to think again about what more 205 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: we can be doing. 206 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: All right, So what are we seeing on online? Is 207 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: that the likes of tektok or something. 208 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think globally, and you've referenced it before, 209 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: some of the Australian jurisdictions and the UK, for example, 210 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 2: have had challenges with increased nighte crime and increased nine use. 211 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: That's something we don't want to see happening. In New Zealand. 212 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: Our police officers every day put the cyber or stab 213 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: resistant on to go out and do their job. It's 214 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: a cost reminder of knife crime, but it's also a 215 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: cost reminder of the fact that we want to keep 216 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: our seat stape, we want to keep our community scape 217 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: and produce reduced victims of knife crime. 218 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: So there hasn't been any noticeable increase in South Australia either, 219 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen, but they've decided to bring in 220 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: the toughest knife laws in the country, things like giving 221 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: police greater powers to conduct wanding searchers at shopping centers 222 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: and public transport, hubs and vehicles. And it also means 223 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: shops would need to keep knives securely locked up. Should 224 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: we look at similar laws here? 225 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: I think that's part of what we're constantly looking at 226 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: as and there's the two lens for that one. Firstly, 227 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: it's around the reaction or how we police an increased 228 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: use of life crime. You know, it's something some of 229 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: the Australian europe have really experienced a lot more than 230 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: New Zealand. But the ability to stop and search, the 231 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: ability to warn, and the increase powers of search are 232 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: something that they've moved towards. We are fortunate the States 233 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: and that our statistic powers allow us to search under 234 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: certain conditions and that the stages is working for us. 235 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 6: Police said this man was a known threat and had 236 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 6: been since twenty sixteen, which is why up until now 237 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 6: had been under constant surveillance. It appairs all countdown and 238 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 6: pharmacy staff have been evacuated. They were locked down in 239 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 6: the mall here for quite some time. 240 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: There's still a heavy. 241 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 6: Police presence here. You can probably hear the Eagle helicopter 242 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 6: overhead now and it looks like police will remain here 243 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 6: for some time as they try to piece together just 244 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 6: what happened. 245 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: So New Zealand hasn't been immune to knife chrome though. 246 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm of course thinking about the Newlyn terror attack when 247 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: an Islamic State supporter stabbed five shoppers in a frenzied 248 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: attack before being shot dead at the Newlyn countdown in 249 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: September twenty twenty one. He took a knife off the 250 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: supermarket shelf, and just months before, four people were stabbed 251 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: at a countdown in Dunedin. So despite not seeing a 252 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: significant uptech in knife crime like others overseas have, we 253 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: haven't been immune. So shouldn't we be ahead of the curve. 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: Look, we are certainly working with retailers, we're certainly working 255 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: with other agencies to make sure that we are aware 256 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: of the dynamics of knife crime, but how lives can 257 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: be used not only for terrorist events, but four attacks 258 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: in the public places, crowded plases. We have a crowded 259 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: places strategy in New Zialm which very much addresses the 260 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: potential for a knife crime or a life attack. It's 261 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: something that we are constantly monitoring. Museum Police has an 262 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: evidence based policing capability that looks at their wild best 263 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: practiced and informs us at two and we can go 264 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: through legislators that we need to address life clime or change. 265 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: In the law right, but that's just not anytime soon. 266 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: Well, we'll constant model dev situation in the community and 267 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: on the streets, and if we see that change environment, 268 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: that rap tage, we will certainly be flagging it up 269 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: and looking to addresser. 270 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thank you, Chelsea. That's it for 271 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: this episode of the Front Page. You can read more 272 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: about today's stories and extensive news coverage at NZDHERLD, dot 273 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: co dot MZ. The Front Page is produced by Ethan 274 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: Sills and Richard Martin, who is also our sound engineer. 275 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front Page on iHeartRadio 276 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: or where do you get your podcasts, and tune in 277 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.