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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews, the lists and the inside. Andrew

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Speaker 2: It'd be hey, good morning to you, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you Tuesday. My name is Andrew Dickins. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for choosing us on the program today. Our sex

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Speaker 2: ed curriculum is loose and variable and not fit for

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Speaker 2: purpose according to Ero, do we need to do something

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Speaker 2: about it? The PPTA president Chris Abbitt promby while on

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Speaker 2: this in just moments Chris penk he's at war with

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Speaker 2: the insulation industry as he tries to make building cheaper.

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Speaker 2: So the minister is going to join us shortly and

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Speaker 2: can we bank needs more money and the government is

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Speaker 2: allowing them to find it. So is this going to

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Speaker 2: Demayo joins me just after five thirty and we have

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Speaker 2: Massi University banking expert Claire Matthews joining us just before six.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, the tenth of December. You can text

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Speaker 2: me on ninety two ninety two. You can email Dickens

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Speaker 2: at newstoroks at b dot co dot MZ.

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Speaker 1: The agenda.

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Speaker 2: So Syrian president batshah Al Assad and his family have

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Speaker 2: people were trying to say that his plane crash yesterday,

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about rule by individuals or personal wins.

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Speaker 3: It's about institutional governance. Syria deserves a governing system that

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Speaker 2: So the United States says, okay, we'll work with all

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Speaker 2: and see, don't you think. South Korea's president has been

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Speaker 2: to America and authorities in New York and New Jersey

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Speaker 2: investigating multiple sightings of large drones flying over the States

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Speaker 4: When you see something of this capacity, you wonder why

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Speaker 4: it would be needed. What are they doing? It implies

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Speaker 4: a heavy payload, and a heavy payload would be either

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, the deep State is watching you. Investigations so

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Speaker 2: Jersey's Governess says there is no threat to the public

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Speaker 2: and this November was the second warmest in the world

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Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines. Andrew Dickens on early edition

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Speaker 1: with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and applying store

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Speaker 1: us Talk said be yes.

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Speaker 2: It's nine after five. Chris Pink Chris Penk has come

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Speaker 2: the whole build rather than restrictive rules on individual elements. However,

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Speaker 2: he's backed down after pressure from the industry. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Here's a building story.

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Speaker 5: You'll love it.

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Speaker 2: I have a mate who's recladding and renovating his house.

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Speaker 2: So it's time for all governments to start walking their

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Speaker 1: News and Views you trust to start your day. It's

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Speaker 1: early edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City, New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: So we had a couple of poles out yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Our relationship and sexual health teaching is inconsistent in different

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Speaker 2: So this is the second report to find that it's

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Speaker 6: Well, this is an incredibly sensitive space for a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read the reporter. It says parents and students

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Speaker 6: Well, the problem at the moment is in the hands

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Speaker 6: Is The report said three quarters of recent school leavers

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Speaker 2: So is there any work going into a clear baseline

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Speaker 6: My understanding, there's nothing on the horizon for this part

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Speaker 2: Could it be too terrible, in me shock horror to

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean parents should absolutely have a key role

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Speaker 1: There be Andrew Dickens on early edition with Smith City,

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Speaker 2: It'd be It's five twenty now. The latest qv House

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Speaker 2: price index has just come out at five o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 2: So this is hot off the press. Housing market on

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Speaker 2: Home values grew nationally by an averageere point three percent.

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Speaker 6: Not quite.

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Speaker 2: I think the weight might go on for longer. Andrew

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Speaker 2: It's going to be tough to actually to to fight

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Speaker 7: But also that with that good result of a sensible

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Speaker 7: But the thing that we're getting or looking to get wrong,

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Speaker 2: I say, it's ingrained in our psyche. Regulate, regulate, regulate, regulate.

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Speaker 2: How do you eat an elephant? Chris? How do you

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Speaker 2: Yesterday's poll showed that Chris and the Sorry Christopher and

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Speaker 2: By the way, can I actually add more to that.

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Speaker 2: that I think is a slight warning for the mister Lux's. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, the news you need this morning and the

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Speaker 2: Good morning, welcome back to the program the tenth of December.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens. So there's been three recent anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: And so now President, sorry President Prime Minister Anthony Alberisi

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Speaker 2: Times Andrew Dickens. See he said Andrew, didn't he It's

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Speaker 2: Calum Productive from Dunedin.

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Speaker 9: Hell they morning, Andrew loving it.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the new pedestrian crossings in Dunedin.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, a couple of new rainbow crossings proposed for the

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Speaker 2: Very good. How's your weather?

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Speaker 9: I mainly find that some shells developed this afternoon, some

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Speaker 2: so christiach city councilors talking about rates? Are they going

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Speaker 10: Well, we're not sure yet, but there's calls for some

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Speaker 10: It's another fine day down here with Westerly's turning northerly

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Speaker 2: It was twenty eight yesterday, wasn't it. It was quite

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Speaker 2: Okay, I thank you. Max Toll from Wellington where the

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Speaker 2: mister Dickens. Now we're getting very formal all right. Now

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Speaker 5: Street that's been running since the start of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: No reason given for them closing, but earlier this year

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Speaker 5: they did talk. Their owner talked about the issue of

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Speaker 5: rising costs, the unpredictable nature of the industry and just

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Speaker 5: going back to myrtle though a real dearth emerging in

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Speaker 5: terms of bakeries in the capital. This year also brought

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Speaker 5: the closure of the Bordeaux and Pandoro Cafes bakeries, of

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Speaker 5: which there were three each. Tough work in hospitality at

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Speaker 5: the moment.

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Speaker 2: All right, how's your weather should be?

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Speaker 5: Mainly fine? Northerlys twenty the high in the CBD, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much, Maxidus nineteen to six. Good morning, neither

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Speaker 2: letten many.

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Speaker 11: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: So there's a bridge down and when you're quarter that

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Speaker 2: broke that bridge? Yes, apparently it might reopen this week.

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Speaker 11: Yes, could reopen, that's the keyword. Could, let's hope. So

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Speaker 11: particularly for all those businesses who you know it's been

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Speaker 11: tough for them since it closed, or you know it

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Speaker 11: was forced to close back in March, so what we know,

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Speaker 11: and for those outside of Auckland, just to refresh your

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Speaker 11: memory that this bridge can accept. Area with the viaduct

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Speaker 11: has been closed since March for repairs and it's twenty

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Speaker 11: minute walk so Auckland Council's Property management arm Ekipanuku is

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Speaker 11: hoping to reopen it by Friday now apparently initially it'll

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Speaker 11: open between seven thirty am and eleven thirty pm. This

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Speaker 11: is to test how it operates in live conditions. There's

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Speaker 11: been about one hundred and forty thousand people. They've jumped

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Speaker 11: on board that fairy because remember they put the ferry

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Speaker 11: in and that's been you're not talking what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm grumping and fuming about that bridge. Oh I

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Speaker 2: know that bridge was a temporary bridge. There was a

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Speaker 2: better plan for a much more permanent and more more

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Speaker 2: sturdy bridge business back during the Rugby World Cup twenty eleven,

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Speaker 2: but we didn't do it. We did a cheap we

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Speaker 2: put in a temporary bridge, saying oh, we'll do it later,

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Speaker 2: and then they went, oh no, let's just keep on

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Speaker 2: maintaining it so it never to be. The costs blowout,

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Speaker 2: it never to be, and now we spend tens of

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Speaker 2: millions to fix it up and now we're going to

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Speaker 2: get a new bridge. No, we're just going to keep

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Speaker 2: on fixing the old temporary full down bridge.

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Speaker 11: So fingers crossed that it does open on Friday. That's

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Speaker 11: all I've got to say, especially for those businesses. I mean,

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Speaker 11: you know our reporters here, they've been speaking to the

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Speaker 11: Conservatory bar and restaurant director Tricky Hartly. You know their

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Speaker 11: revenue's been down sixteen percent.

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Speaker 2: Shocking, shocking. How's our weather showers.

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Speaker 11: Clearing early morning, fight spells increasing this afternoon high twenty

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Speaker 11: one be caller for us here in Auckland today.

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Speaker 2: That's why you're wearing a lead the jacket. I thought

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Speaker 2: it's about fourteen degrees, but I can hear it creaking

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Speaker 2: when you're reading the New York Yeah, can you really

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Speaker 2: a kid?

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Speaker 1: New Souls you've been international correspondence with ends and eye insurance,

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Speaker 1: peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: At the court of the Section of Donna Toneyo joins me, Hello, Donna,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 6: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very good. So we've had three attacks on Jewish

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Speaker 2: targets in Australia. So Anthony Albanezi has come up with

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Speaker 2: an idea what is.

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Speaker 12: It the Australian Federal Police Task Force and now this

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Speaker 12: is going to investigate these recent incidents of which you

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Speaker 12: speak of anti Semitism. Now there's been an arson attack

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Speaker 12: at a synagogue in Melbourne. That's the most recent incident.

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Speaker 12: Three suspects are now being hunted over what is being

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Speaker 12: described as a suspect did terror incident.

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Speaker 13: That's how police are describing it.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 12: The task course will be called Operation Avalite and its

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Speaker 12: prime objective is to combat anti Semitism. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 12: reference the task force and introducing that and putting that together.

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Speaker 12: Now these three recent attacks. Also, besides the attack on

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Speaker 12: the synagogue, there was an attack on Jewish labor MP

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Speaker 12: Josh Bourne's electoral office and also the third incident, a

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Speaker 12: car was torched and buildings vandalized with anti Israeli messages

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Speaker 12: Israel message sorry. In Sydney, the AFP Commissioner, Reese Kershaw

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Speaker 12: says police will have expanded powers to investigate, made up

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Speaker 12: of a squad of twenty one counter terrorism investigators who

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Speaker 12: will focus on threats and violence and hatred. We also

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Speaker 12: heard from the Commissioner saying that unfortunately today those of

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Speaker 12: Jewish ethnicity or religion are being targeted because of who

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Speaker 12: they are. This is a crime and this needs to stop.

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Speaker 6: He said.

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Speaker 12: The AFP will not tolerate crimes at undermine Australia's security

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Speaker 12: or way of life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been looking up whatever Light means, because that's

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Speaker 2: an operations name, and Everlight was a city in Somalia,

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Speaker 2: and otherwise it's quite it's it's quite a very obtuse

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Speaker 2: name for a task for so don't you think you know?

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Speaker 12: Also I looked it up and I didn't get very

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Speaker 12: far either in regard to trying to figure out why

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Speaker 12: it's called.

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Speaker 2: That strange stuff. Let's go to Melbourne. The university there

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Speaker 2: has to replace seventy two million dollars to staff.

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Speaker 12: Why well, this is one of Australia's top universities and

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Speaker 12: the Fair Work Commitsman has made this order because it well,

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Speaker 12: the institution admitted to underpaying quite a number of academics.

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Speaker 12: It impacted more than twenty five thousand staff over a

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Speaker 12: decade and it's been called unlawful conduct. Now, there was

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Speaker 12: a legal action which has been dropped against the university

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Speaker 12: by the Ombudsman. This action is the legal action and

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Speaker 12: began in twenty twenty three. So that's been dropped now.

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Speaker 12: But that's a hefty amount I have to pay back.

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Speaker 12: It was over about ten years from twenty fourteen right

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Speaker 12: through to twenty twenty four these underpayments happened, and it

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Speaker 12: happened across all faculties and campuses, and the union says, well,

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Speaker 12: at least it finally brings justice to all the staff

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Speaker 12: that were impacted.

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Speaker 2: Dona, thank you for your time. It is now twelve

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Speaker 2: to six Andrew dickens. So we've got an update to

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Speaker 2: the banking environment in New Zealand the government is looking

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Speaker 2: to inject Kiwi Bank with five hundred million dollars in

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Speaker 2: capital to i quote disrupt the status quote kie Weibank's

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Speaker 2: parent company, Kiwi Group Capital and Treasury have been instructed

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Speaker 2: to talk to potential investors, but the government has ruled

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Speaker 2: off actually selling its Kii bang chaares to the public.

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Speaker 2: And IPO massive university banking expert Clear Matthews joins me. Now,

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Speaker 2: hello Clear Marianna.

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Speaker 14: Andrew, So, good move. It's an interesting move. It's not up,

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Speaker 14: it's not an unexpected move. It's where it's going to

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Speaker 14: really make a difference as something that we will wait

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Speaker 14: to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a nothing answer. And why did you cackle?

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Speaker 14: Because the government is pushing us very much as it's

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Speaker 14: going to make a huge difference to competition, and I'm

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Speaker 14: struggling to see that it really will make that much

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Speaker 14: of a.

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Speaker 2: Difference, because it's just an extra five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: on the balance sheet, which won't when you're competing with

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Speaker 2: other banks that have billions and billions and billions.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, five hundred million is obviously not a

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Speaker 14: small amount of money. But the government has indicated that

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Speaker 14: we'll enable it to do four billion dollars worth of

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Speaker 14: business leaning or ten billion dollars of home lending. And

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Speaker 14: at the moment, the banks between them have've got a

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Speaker 14: total of just under four hundred or around four hundred

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Speaker 14: and ninety billion dollars worth of leanding. So that amount

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Speaker 14: of additional leanding is really quite a drop in the bucket,

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Speaker 14: and you've got a question how much of a difference

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Speaker 14: that can make to the competitive environment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, the left, let let's talk another part to it.

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Speaker 2: The left is squealing that this is a part privatization,

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Speaker 2: which I think is true. This is not taxpayers money,

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Speaker 2: broadening the capital base, but don't appeal to private investors.

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Speaker 2: So will this appeal to those private investors to invest.

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Speaker 14: You'd really have to ask the private investors. It's going

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Speaker 14: to depend on the conditions and the terms associated with

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Speaker 14: the issue of the capital. What return are they going

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Speaker 14: to get? What are the options associated with that. One

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Speaker 14: of the key things is it does appear.

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Speaker 6: To be.

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Speaker 14: What they call a put option, so the investors are

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Speaker 14: going to have the right to sell those shares back

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Speaker 14: to the government as a proposed IPO doesn't go ahead,

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Speaker 14: so they're talking about making an IPO whereby the public

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Speaker 14: could buy shares. I think the public would have an

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Speaker 14: interest in buying shares where that private investors would. But

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Speaker 14: if they know that they're going to be able to

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Speaker 14: get rid of them in a couple of years time,

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Speaker 14: either to the government or to private investors, then maybe

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Speaker 14: that's attractive. But it will depend on the terms exactly,

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Speaker 14: and they may be able to lock in some really

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Speaker 14: good terms that which case you've got to say, is

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Speaker 14: that good for the government?

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Speaker 2: Well, leaving out that IPO is interesting, they say it's

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Speaker 2: because of technical reasons that they haven't finished the computerization

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Speaker 2: of kiwibank or something like that, so the IPO couldn't

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Speaker 2: happen until twenty twenty eight, So is that actually smart?

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Speaker 2: Was that forced by necessity? And the fact is, no

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Speaker 2: one is going to invest in some shares in five

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars of extra capital if they can't on

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Speaker 2: sell at a later date at a market price and

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Speaker 2: not to a government.

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Speaker 14: I know, they might be happy to have a guarantee

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Speaker 14: that they can sell back to the government. So that

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Speaker 14: doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be able to

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Speaker 14: sell to the public, but they do want to be

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Speaker 14: able to sell because they don't want to be stuck

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Speaker 14: with them. I personally don't understand why they have to

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Speaker 14: complete the digital change over in order to do the IPO,

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Speaker 14: but you know, maybe there's something I'm missing there. But

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Speaker 14: investors want to have a way out. They so the

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Speaker 14: government might be happy to have no way out, but

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Speaker 14: for investors, they need to be able to know that

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Speaker 14: if the time comes and they want to sell the

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Speaker 14: shares for some reason, they've got to be able to

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Speaker 14: do that.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, is our banking environment does it need

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Speaker 2: a revamp? Because this is a common talking point, and

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Speaker 2: yet we have many bangs. We have competition, They are

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Speaker 2: running businesses, their margins are not excessive.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's the problem. Some people think they are excessive.

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Speaker 14: It's just that they make large amounts of money and

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Speaker 14: it sounds terrible because it sounds like they're making all

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Speaker 14: this money off New Zealanders, but in reality they need

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Speaker 14: to make a return because if they're not making a

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Speaker 14: satisfactory return for the capital that they've got investors, they're

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Speaker 14: not going to continue to operate. And they do spend

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Speaker 14: a lot of money in New Zealand as well as

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Speaker 14: those operations in terms of the profits they're making, they

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Speaker 14: spend a lot of money to make that and most

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Speaker 14: of that comes into the New Zealand economy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Claire, doctor Claire Matthews, who is

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Speaker 2: the Associate Professor Banking at Massy University. And remember these

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Speaker 2: are not Australian banks. In fact, the Australian banks have

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Speaker 2: owners as well. There's always a bigger fish. As they

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Speaker 2: said in Star Wars, it is seven minutes to six

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Speaker 2: News Talks. He'll be Heather's in in a moment.

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Speaker 1: The first Word on the News of the Day Early

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Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture

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Speaker 1: Beds and Appliant Store. You talk saidy had.

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Speaker 2: The duc Allen is here after six o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 2: and she will have the Prime Minister Christopher Luxem.

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Speaker 13: He's dropped that though, hasn't he. I think he's he's

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Speaker 13: trying to switch, see. I think he started switching to

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Speaker 13: the Chris Luxon, but unfortunately the Christopher Luxeon's already stuck

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Speaker 13: an Atte.

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Speaker 2: He said it. Once you say it once, you know

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Speaker 2: one goat it just sticks, you know, so's he said it.

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Speaker 2: It's not an issue for me. I'm an Andrew. I

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Speaker 2: don't ever call me and Andy. And I've said that,

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Speaker 2: why because Andy's what a child is called. Whe is

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Speaker 2: a kid's name? Andy?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Andy? How are you scratch you on the head? What's

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Speaker 2: Barry's real name?

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Speaker 13: Barry?

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Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, he's not barr Rington. Barrington sober no. If

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Speaker 2: he was Barrington, that would be a better name for

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Speaker 2: a political editor.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it.

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Speaker 13: Would name to a human, frankly.

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Speaker 2: Sir Barrington sober no.

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Speaker 13: But but Andrew, hang, I reckon that this shows that

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Speaker 13: there's some emotion. You've got some emotional blocks going on here.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, oh no, what about Andrew?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, because somebody referring to you by a nickname is

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Speaker 13: a form of endearment. It means that they really like you.

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Speaker 13: What you're doing is you're creating an emotional distance between

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Speaker 13: yourself and the people around you.

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Speaker 2: I as show you my texters. Yeah, who now know

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Speaker 2: the secret?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: If they don't like me, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: And it's just an excellent needle.

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Speaker 13: I think it's nice. I think it's nice to have nicknames.

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Speaker 13: I reckon Christeny's. In fact, I think I think he

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Speaker 13: needs to lean into it. Although on that subject, because

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Speaker 13: you were talking about that article that came out at

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Speaker 13: the weekend, apparently baldness is a superpower.

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Speaker 2: Which I quite enjoyed. M Steve wrote to me this morning. Morning, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: I do think Laxon's shaved head is a turn off?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, because I well there's something, there's something kind of

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Speaker 13: a little but it's because it's shiny.

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Speaker 2: We talked about how from there tell the rock there.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but they're not running for prime minister, are they.

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Speaker 13: They're doing it for aerodynamic reasons, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a great shape. Christopher Lexon here

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Speaker 2: do and producer Leo, thank you so very much for

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Speaker 2: My name is Andrew Dickens Kiss what I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be back again tomorrow, I think.

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