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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, and Ginny Anderson's with us along

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Speaker 1: with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you both. Morning, Mike Monting, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: good morning. A couple of this is this is this

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Speaker 1: is minutia. I know, Jenny, but and it's my fascination

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Speaker 1: with it. But you weren't in your seat yesterday, jan

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Speaker 1: Tonetti was in your seat? What happened there?

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Speaker 2: I moved along a few I was sitting I think

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Speaker 2: one seat along.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you were. How does that work?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Often when you get a question, you get moved into

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Speaker 2: the center.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so your seat the singular seat. I always thought

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Speaker 1: it was because no one liked you. Was that unfair?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was because I was short and got

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Speaker 2: teased a bit. It maybe smelt funny. But no, it's

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Speaker 2: not any of those things.

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Speaker 1: You because I thought about it.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 1: The day you remember when Andrew Bailey was answering those

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Speaker 1: embarrassing questions when he had called somebody a loser at

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Speaker 1: the winery and I was looking at poor old Nichola

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Speaker 1: Grigg and Nicola and Nichola was sitting next to Andrew,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm sure she doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: sitting next to Andrew right now because she knows the

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Speaker 1: camera's on her, and what a nightmare? How does it

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Speaker 1: work on your side of the house because you move around?

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Speaker 4: But as well, Mark, Yeah, it's when people are away.

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Speaker 4: So basically when people away, they just the whips will

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Speaker 4: just move you around to fill the slots. And that's

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Speaker 4: why you sort of see people moving around and be

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Speaker 4: the same and with the.

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Speaker 1: Although lux and Peters, etcetera get the same seats every time.

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Speaker 3: Yes they do, yes, and no one, no one sits

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Speaker 3: in their seats.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's interesting. But when I was a

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Speaker 2: young and in my first new MP, when you can

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Speaker 2: sit anywhere usually, but you never ever sit in the

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Speaker 2: leader's seat.

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Speaker 1: Well of course not the leaders, but so it's leader's deputy.

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Speaker 1: I know that Nicholas sits in the same So how

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Speaker 1: far down the lane does it go before?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: I see what you mean. Yeah, so they'll just yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's a really good point. No, they'll just they'll kind

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Speaker 4: of move you around up until the leader's seat and

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Speaker 4: then you won't you know that it stops their.

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Speaker 1: So does somebody tell you? You say, Mark, you're in

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Speaker 1: six thirty thirty six.

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Speaker 3: B today it's it's the chief whip.

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Speaker 4: The whips office will send out each day where you're sitting,

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Speaker 4: and it relates to who's away and you're filling.

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Speaker 1: The honestly hand on heart, jinny, I mean you sit

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Speaker 1: by yourself a lot, but heart, there's got to be

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Speaker 1: people who game bugger. I don't want to be next

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Speaker 1: to them. I mean even in your own care because

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Speaker 1: you've got to be thinking now of that idiot.

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Speaker 2: It's quite a good seat, right, It has a number

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Speaker 2: of advantages. It was Calvin seat, was putty critic's seat,

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Speaker 2: because you're right in the fray, you're right looking at act,

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Speaker 2: you've got mighty party and you're right, so you.

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Speaker 1: Can good seats. It's a seat I want, and if.

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Speaker 2: You're a little bit late, you can slip in and

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Speaker 2: out without any want not to think, because you don't

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Speaker 2: have to squeeze and past other people.

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Speaker 1: See that is your seat, now, Ginny. You speak of

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Speaker 1: it as though it's your own.

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Speaker 2: I'm quite familiar with that seat now. And look, while

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Speaker 2: I do look like I'm on my own, it's about

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Speaker 2: forty centimeters still between me and Willow Gene Point.

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Speaker 1: However, that's the difference between economy and business class, isn't

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Speaker 1: it and we all know where we'd rather be.

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Speaker 2: That's my life pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Marke, real quick, we had Jered Gilbert on

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Speaker 1: he did this report with corrections. He reckons, I mean

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Speaker 1: not this is new. But gangs are running the gangs

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Speaker 1: running the bridge. Is that an abdication of responsibility from

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Speaker 4: No, Look, corrections do an outstanding job. He really hasn't

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Speaker 4: told us anything we didn't already know. Is that our

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Speaker 4: prisons are a microcosm of society. And basically, the gangs

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Speaker 4: in our communities use intimidation, violence, you know, the disproportionate

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Speaker 4: drivers of a lot of the crime that we have

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Speaker 4: to deal with. That's why you see myself and the

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Speaker 4: commissioner going so hard on the gangs. But you know,

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Speaker 4: but the correction system is no different. But I have

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Speaker 4: to say that our corrections officers are world class. Though

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Speaker 4: there are thousands and thousands of positive interactions that happen

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Speaker 4: every day. We've got two hundred gang members that are

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Speaker 4: currently applied to have their facial tattoos removed. And actually

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Speaker 4: from many of the visits that I do around our

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Speaker 4: prison system, what they try to do is peer older

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Speaker 4: gang members that have seen the era of their ways

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Speaker 4: and want to leave the gang, reform or have left

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Speaker 4: the gang. They try to sort of buddy them up

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Speaker 4: with the younger ones so that there's actually a positive

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Speaker 4: influence happening in there as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but having said that, if I'm the skinny white

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Speaker 1: guy and I just want to do my leg because

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Speaker 1: I did something wrong, I'm going to get beaten up.

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Speaker 1: And when I say to the correction I got beacked up,

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Speaker 1: knowing cares, they yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well don't don't.

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Speaker 4: Don't go out and commit robberies and violent crime and

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Speaker 4: go into your correction system because.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of game. Well there's a lot of game.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you will what.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of gang members in there, and it's

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Speaker 4: a tough environment, and you know it, shout out to.

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Speaker 3: Our Christians offices. They work in a very tough environment.

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Speaker 1: You concur with that generally, well.

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Speaker 2: Well some of that. I've been to Reematucket a few

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Speaker 2: times and they've had a really good program where they

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Speaker 2: keep all the young the younger gang members separate from

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Speaker 2: that middle cohort because it's the middle cohort of who

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Speaker 2: then co co opt them into permanent game membership. So

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Speaker 2: I think the more that our present system is able

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Speaker 2: to separate out the middle. So yes, twenty five years

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Speaker 2: up to forty, and they're the ones that are going

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Speaker 2: to put pressure on the younger ones to sign up.

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Speaker 2: And these I've seen programs in place where they've done

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Speaker 2: like a couple haker performance and they've got the outlines

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Speaker 2: of the game tattoos on their back, but they've not

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Speaker 2: been completed. The been started, but they're not fully in yet.

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Speaker 2: And that's the opportunity really to provide facial tattoo removal,

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Speaker 2: to provide options to get out, and to separate them

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Speaker 2: from that older cohort who will try and push them in.

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Speaker 4: The best people place to decide how to run the prisons.

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Speaker 4: They do an outstanding job. Are our corrections not politicians,

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Speaker 4: and they deal with this every single day and they're

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Speaker 4: very good at it. I want everyone to understand that

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Speaker 4: our corrections control our prisons, not the gangs. But the

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Speaker 4: gangs try to bring influence into the prison around the

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Speaker 4: other prisons, and we're very aware in sets of to that.

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Speaker 1: It's just quickly, Jinny, there's Wellington water and it's just

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, does Wellington ever work their

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Speaker 1: way out of this quagmire of misery and dysfunction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a concern. I did see something Chris Bush.

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Speaker 2: It was saying it's a social club or something, and

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Speaker 2: he was sort of saying it was.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone sort of tripped in and there was no

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Speaker 1: accountability and there's just.

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Speaker 2: Triple I think there's a figure I saw. They're paying

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Speaker 2: triple what everyone else what they should have been paid.

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Speaker 2: But part of the problem is that they don't have

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Speaker 2: the money to be able to fix that infrastructure. We

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Speaker 2: did have a plan in place for all of that

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Speaker 2: order infrastructure with entities set up. The government came in

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Speaker 2: and scrapped there and see local government sought that out

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Speaker 2: and so this is the messing.

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Speaker 1: To be fair though, Jinny, this goes back several years

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Speaker 1: when you were in government. I'm not blaming you. I

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Speaker 1: mean they should be running their own thing, but I

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Speaker 1: mean this isn't current. Just because you know, water done

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Speaker 1: well or whatever it's called, I mean, it's idiots or idiots,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the infrastructure or the structure is.

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Speaker 2: We needed a plan that enabled local government to be

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Speaker 2: able to borrow the amount of money to fix that

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Speaker 2: infrastructure and we still don't have that.

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Speaker 1: Well it could it have helped that they didn't charge

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Speaker 1: triple to the contractors or the contractors weren't charging triple.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, but that the problem is

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Speaker 2: that year after year, you've had councils in the valley,

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Speaker 2: for example, building a hotel, putting money towards a hotel

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Speaker 2: and an events center when they should have been investing

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Speaker 2: in democracy.

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Speaker 1: No one teams up to vote, and so the next

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Speaker 1: thing that guy Guppy is But do you realize how long?

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Speaker 1: How long's O Guppy been the mayor?

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Speaker 2: Telling me what third years?

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Speaker 1: Maybe unbelieved one hundred things. I looked him up yourself

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Speaker 1: thought he remained last time unopposed. So he's either brilliant or.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's a good hat guy and he

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Speaker 2: gets on with everybody, both both sides of the house,

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Speaker 2: and he does his job. He's a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, A lot of people asking about the man who Mark?

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Speaker 1: What was going on there? Why don't you bring your

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Speaker 1: top to.

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Speaker 3: I love, I love the money.

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Speaker 1: It was Mark.

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Speaker 2: I just clarify because I've heard a rumor that actually

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Speaker 2: that that that you were chasing a kid that stolen

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Speaker 2: the Snickers bar and he jumped, well.

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Speaker 4: I can get rid of this rumor. I'm sure that's

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Speaker 4: a rumor started by you. But now that the money,

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Speaker 4: the money, the money will Champs. Was was awesome, mate,

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was very spirit of the moment. I

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Speaker 3: didn't have any tolls or anything.

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Speaker 4: I was lucky that Sarah sipped down from home brought

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Speaker 4: me a change of suits.

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Speaker 3: I did have another.

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Speaker 1: Now I went old stars, I did the A bomb.

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Speaker 1: I thought I did, Okay, the A bomb? Okay, did

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Speaker 1: you now I claim? Now this is a at risk?

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Speaker 1: Have been called frivolous?

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Speaker 3: How is it?

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Speaker 1: Chris Bishop has hundreds of dollars worth of drug cleaning

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Speaker 1: receipts put forward in the expenses account, and did you

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Speaker 1: then put your suit in with that to claim your

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Speaker 1: drag cleaning as a result of them, as the result.

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Speaker 4: Of good thinking? But no, I didn't, No, heaven, I've

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Speaker 4: got no idea. But you know, if you're on the

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Speaker 4: road a lot, you know, I mean it's.

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Speaker 3: On the road at Chris, about that years we're all

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Speaker 3: on the road a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, you claim sixty bucks for some mini bar? Now

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Speaker 1: what's going on there?

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Speaker 4: So we don't know what that charges. I'm ensure you

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Speaker 4: that I don't eat. I don't eat six hundred packets

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Speaker 4: of peanuts. I must have. I must admit that I

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Speaker 4: feel like a beer at the end of the day sometimes,

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Speaker 4: but we don't drink how col when we're out in

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Speaker 4: about either. It's probably a meal that's been charged back

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Speaker 4: to my room.

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Speaker 2: I think, I know there's been a lot of talk

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Speaker 2: about Louise in the Double Cheeseburger. Yeah, I think that

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Speaker 2: I looked at Mark and do we look and there

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Speaker 2: was the Lula Lounge and Fox Trot Parlor, those esteemed establishments.

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Speaker 1: Is it the Lulu Lounge or the Lula Lounge?

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Speaker 2: Lula, it's the Lula Lounge.

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Speaker 1: What do you know about the Lula Lounge?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 2: I mean the Fox Trot Parlor? Like, what are these establishments? Question?

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Speaker 4: Jenny, I'm getting very uncomfortable because I feel Jenny anders

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Speaker 4: stalking me.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've got a stalker. And Jenny Anderson, you.

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Speaker 1: Filed it, mate. I mean, I don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: on here with these expenses. But good I got excited

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Speaker 1: by Nicola Gregg buying a magnum of penot, But I

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Speaker 1: assume that's a gift. Look at what do you do

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Speaker 1: with receipt you're in opposition, do you what's your official receipts.

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Speaker 2: Thing when you're in opposition. I just because we're pretty

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Speaker 2: much I just pay for it yourself, unless it's you know,

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Speaker 2: a big amount, So I just pay my own stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're getting allowance and and our salary for those sorts of.

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Speaker 1: And you're geting allowance and you can do anything with

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Speaker 1: it you want.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's the things like the extrament and

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Speaker 2: all MPs get it. And it's for when you go

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Speaker 2: to a fear or when you have to spon you know,

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Speaker 2: like do a low like for example, rotarie and membership

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Speaker 2: that might be included. So it's expenses you need to

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Speaker 2: pay as an MP that that you do in your

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Speaker 2: activities in the community.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm going to get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of it, Mark, because you sound suspicious all of a sudden.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm very interested to. I can assure you

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Speaker 4: that it will be work related. But what what I'm relieved,

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Speaker 4: what I'm relieved about is that we're bringing anti stalking

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Speaker 4: laws in.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly you'll be able to get away with us.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nice to see you guys, mate Machiel, Ginny

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