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Speaker 1: Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio

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Speaker 1: show The Hurdarki Breakfast podcast.

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Speaker 2: Comedian Hajwani Hotani joins us on the podcast today, Kiddy Hawan,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good man, how's it going good?

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Speaker 2: Very good?

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Speaker 4: It's Billy Ta Award winning comedian to you.

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Speaker 2: Jerry twenty twenty five, Billy Ta Award winning comedian.

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Speaker 4: Do you get Do you get to claim that you

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Speaker 4: are the funniest person in the country for the calendar

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Speaker 4: year until someone else takes it off you?

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Speaker 3: I'm man, you can claim it. You could say what.

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Speaker 3: I could claim it this year too if I wanted,

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Speaker 3: but like, I don't know. I yeah, dude, I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna lie. The Billy Tea thing. You do feel very cool,

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Speaker 3: But I think it takes a while for things to change.

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Speaker 3: Like I had a real humbling thing because I won

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Speaker 3: the award, and then I think it was like two

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Speaker 3: months later, I had an interview with my work and

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Speaker 3: income officer and they were like, oh, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Like I was like, oh, I'm trying to be a

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Speaker 3: comedian and they're like, oh, okay, is that going okay?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I just want this Billy

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Speaker 3: te Award and they were like, what is that?

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Speaker 4: So he was a funny go on you remember the

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Speaker 4: TV show and then the name and ward after.

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Speaker 2: But at least in that situation you can say, so

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Speaker 2: I am working towards something and I am doing something,

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Speaker 2: and they can at least go, oh, yeah, well this

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Speaker 2: person's doing something. Because imagine if you tuner and I said

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be a comedian and they're like, you're

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Speaker 2: not when you're not allowed to. We're not giving you

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Speaker 2: any money anymore for that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I turn on the charms, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've literally done that when my partner has

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Speaker 4: moved to Hamilton, So I moved up there with her

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Speaker 4: and I couldn't find a job for a couple of months.

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Speaker 4: Was getting bit much, so I went into the Winds

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Speaker 4: office last moment and they said what are you What

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Speaker 4: are you trying to do? I'm going to be on

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Speaker 4: the radio and they're like, yeah, I got another one

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Speaker 4: here blind and kick me out of there. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: didn't they.

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Speaker 2: Say that we're going to give you any money because

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Speaker 2: you were in the wrong city or something if you

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Speaker 2: didn't move cities.

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Speaker 4: Now, because I was living with my missus and she

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Speaker 4: hid an income. But I was like, but this is

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Speaker 4: the thing that's driving a witch between us, as her

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Speaker 4: useless boyfriends followed her to another town sounding everyone's going

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Speaker 4: to be on the radio one day. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 4: I saw her h an alarm, but none of God,

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Speaker 4: damn it, we'll get another one.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get the name of your show. Halloni

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Speaker 2: must be funny in a richman's will, clearly an Abba reference.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, I was wondering. I bet the station

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Speaker 3: never plays Abba, probably hasn't played that song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, buts and also, you know I was a

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Speaker 2: big fan of EBB growing up at a time. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I will hasten to add that abbot not particularly popular,

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Speaker 2: going through a deeply, deeply unpopular phase. This is before

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Speaker 2: Muriels weirding. Is that the film that brought it back

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Speaker 2: in Australia. I think it was.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that sounds no idea.

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Speaker 2: It was a super old reference. But there was a

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Speaker 2: phase when even classic hits stations were not fucking playing Abba.

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Speaker 2: That was the last thing that they were oh shit.

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Speaker 3: No wow, trying to bring it.

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Speaker 2: Back uncall at one stage, I feel like they now

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Speaker 2: at least occupy it. But where people have said, well,

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Speaker 2: they write the catchiest songs in the world. But for

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Speaker 2: a while there they were like nobody even wanted to

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Speaker 2: even say the word.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you guys wanted to switch up your stance

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Speaker 3: on a a little bit to help me sell a

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Speaker 3: few tickets to the show, I'd be much appreciated.

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Speaker 4: Well, I love them, and I think they've always been

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Speaker 4: called and never out of fashion. I disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: Well I always liked them, that was the thing, but

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Speaker 2: particularly but never money money money, that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: But I knowing me, knowing you, Oh yeah, it's my

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Speaker 2: my favorite sign.

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Speaker 4: It just doesn't for his name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to think whining me. Actually you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. I will head up the NZ

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Speaker 3: comedy off see if it's too late to change it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there we go. Yeah, that'd be kind.

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Speaker 4: I've seen is it was Paul Douglas telling a story

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Speaker 4: about introducing you at a comedy first have you heard

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Speaker 4: this story where he he was in seeing it or something,

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Speaker 4: he was hosting it, I believe, and he went to

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Speaker 4: got the wrong person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's true him, yes, because it

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Speaker 3: was like he didn't know who I was. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I think a couple of years into comedy and the

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Speaker 3: year before somebody had given him the wrong name, Like

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Speaker 3: somebody had given there was like a I think there

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Speaker 3: was a guy who was like a salmon comedian who

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Speaker 4: It's like it was like Mania, Stuart's coming up next,

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Speaker 3: Yeah or me, so it's yeah, but like so the

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Speaker 3: year before he had been given like the name of

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Speaker 3: like some other comedian, and like it did just because

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Speaker 3: they were all like so fresh. Just the next guy

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Speaker 3: there's no way that guy's called that.

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Speaker 3: And then the next year it was me and he said,

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Speaker 3: I went up and he's like, oh my god, I've

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Speaker 2: You can see how he possibly came to that conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: How often do you get that? So when you turn

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Speaker 2: up somewhere with Maori Maldi name a double A double

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Speaker 2: multi name, you know, Malory first name and Marti surname.

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Speaker 2: How often do you get that where people do a

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Speaker 2: double take on it?

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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I can't see you right now, but you don't look particularly.

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Speaker 3: Malty, pale skin red here. Yeah. No, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: been my whole life. But I'll tell you what's changed recently,

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Speaker 3: getting more into like the old moldy and everything. Is

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Speaker 3: my name's Hwany. I can see in their eyes they

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Speaker 3: don't think I'm moldy. What they're thinking is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: somebody's taking their ill classes a little.

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Speaker 2: Too seriously, like they're really going out with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was born again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really honest.

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Speaker 3: Journey.

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Speaker 2: So did you grow up in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Lower Hut, Lower Heart. I always like to make the distinction,

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Speaker 3: like if you're from there, you know, it's a different place. Really. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's just it's just suburbs, you know, It's just like

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Speaker 3: it's the Lower Hut is is pretty different from Wellington. Wellington. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know it like, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know Wellington. I mean, I'm not from there,

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Speaker 4: you know, they needed a certain type of way. Probably politically, Jason,

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Speaker 4: they probably your ear off about politics, if you guys are.

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Speaker 2: At I think the kind of person that I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: Wellington is a person who constructs a personality around a.

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Speaker 4: Hat, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so their entire personality will be around that they wear.

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Speaker 3: You say that, I'm looking around the studio. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of hats going on, you cass. Aren't you guys

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Speaker 2: As well.

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Speaker 4: That's how we know. But then I think of the

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Speaker 4: heart and the surrounding regions is a bit more like

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think Lower Hut is kind of one of

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Speaker 3: think that's like, you know, yeah, that'd be wild to

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Speaker 2: Would you be more likely to see people in pajamas

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Speaker 3: Stokes Valley is part of the Hut, so yeah, you differently,

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Speaker 3: more people, I reckon it's more condensed than the Stokes Valley.

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Speaker 3: More boy races around Stokes Valley too.

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Speaker 4: The relationship between Lower and Upper Hut? Tenuous?

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Speaker 3: It's like river It's like I think they're the same people,

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Speaker 3: but Upper Hut has more money.

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Speaker 4: Well really yeah, yeah, I don't think Yeah, okay, a people.

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Speaker 3: Gonna like this this kind of like breakdown of all

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Speaker 2: We don't We don't care what people like.

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Speaker 4: They haven't liked, they haven't liked anything else we've done,

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Speaker 4: so what this would be We're.

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Speaker 2: Always operated of really not caring what people like or

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll play Abba songs there. Yeah, yeah, well.

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Speaker 4: That's a good point. Yeah, it's a fight we have

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Speaker 4: almost every day.

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Speaker 4: How did you get into so if you grew up

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Speaker 4: in the Lower Hut, is there like a comedy scene

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Speaker 4: in Lower Heart? I suppose there is in Wellington?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely in Wellington. I got into it because I

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Speaker 3: had a mate who had the sick Apartment where I

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Speaker 3: they had like a rooftop apartment where they had this

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Speaker 3: big roof space and they would do like music gigs

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Speaker 3: have like music gigs and they'd have like a couple

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Speaker 4: So that's very Wellington, that kind of thing. Yeah, don't really, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that wouldn't happen in christ Church.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people are more supportive of stuff in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the community comes around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, those house gigs, I mean I've heard Dunedin

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Speaker 3: is similar, you know in that way where like house

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Speaker 3: gigs just kind of pop off in a crazy way.

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Speaker 4: Yea, but back into a regional analysis again, we.

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Speaker 2: Can't help but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but so the guy who was who was running it.

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Speaker 3: He'd done a bit of stand up. He'd done, like

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Speaker 3: he said, he'd done like forty gigs, which seemed like

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Speaker 4: I don't know, there's a fascinating topic for me. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you must.

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly why. That is something that I

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Speaker 4: And how do you sort of dig your way back

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I blame the audience. These guys suck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I Usually I just think, like, man, I wish

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Speaker 3: Audiences are real smart, Like it's kind of shocking how

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with that. I think

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Speaker 2: Did you go into it with the conscious idea of

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Speaker 3: used to love Carl Baron. Yeah, yeah, dude, I loved

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the thing with the crowd. It's

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Speaker 3: If I was worried, I would just I would just say,

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Speaker 3: Janey Jhany Jhany must be funny in a rich man's world. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I I it's going to be a good show man, Like,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy. I'm going to be taking it to Wellington

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Speaker 2: Here is that of like this this amazing thing that's

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Speaker 3: Was pretty lucky that we have it like right there

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Speaker 2: I've heard this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you see people wearing Apple watches and you'll

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Speaker 4: You'd be like, whoa, yeah, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: Let's move the station over there?

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Speaker 2: Howani. Thank you so much for coming ins of like

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Speaker 2: with your show. It's on the fifth to ninth of

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Speaker 2: May and Auckland and the nineteenth to the twenty third

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Speaker 2: of May and Auckland. And if you're super rich then

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Speaker 2: as well. Thanks for coming and I'm best of luck

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks so much, guys.

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