1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: A Gevin mcskimming update for you. We can now reveal 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: the nature of the objectionable material that was allegedly found 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: on the work devices of the former police deputy commissioner. 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: They were images of child sex, exploitation and beast reality. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Jared Savage is The Herald's investigative reporter. He's with us now, Hi, Jared? 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Gooday, Ryan? 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: So why can we only now reveal the nature of 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: this material. 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been quite drawn out. Let's see. Jem mcskimming 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: resigned quite suddenly in May. It didn't take long for 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: reporters to start writing stories saying that there'd been pornographic 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: material allegedly found on his work devices, and then that 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: led into potentially objectionable material found on those work devices. Now, 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: as soon as we started getting quite close and on 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: those allegations, there was an injunction from the High Court 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: slap down on us by mc skimming's lawyer, Linda Clark, 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: and that led to ME, rm Z and stuff websites 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: sort of banding together to sort of to fight this injunction, 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: which was a non publication order which was stopping us 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: from reporting the exact nature of the alleged objectional material 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: found on Mick Skimming's. 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Devices, Jared, how was the content actually discovered? 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: So? Mc skimming, who was the Deputy Police Commissioner, He 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: had been suspended since late last year in December under 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: criminal investigation for a separate matter which we can't talk 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: about for legal reasons. But as part of that inquiry, 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: they've obviously gone through his work devices as part of 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: that investigation and on there have found this alleged objectional 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: material that has led to a separate investigation. And then 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: once sort of he was confronted with the alleged existence 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: of this material, he resigned shortly afterwards in May. So 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: that's how it's kind of spun out of a different inquiry. 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Right, so May he resigned at that time. What was 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: said about the reason for that resignation. 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: So the Police Minister Mark Mitchell came out and basically 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: said there was some very serious allegations that had been 37 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: made against mc skimming. He didn't specify any any sort 38 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: of details for that reason, other than to say, look, 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: if he hadn't resigned, we would have we would have 40 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: sacked him. Basically, it was what it was that that 41 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: was the sort of the serious that the seriousness level. 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: That's what that's what Mitchell put it at. But both 43 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell and the police missioner, which Chambers wouldn't comment 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: at all about, you know the actual reason why, and 45 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's been media reporting that's led 46 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: us to this point today where we can say it's 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: because child seeks exploitation and beast dality material were allegedly 48 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: found on mix Skimming's work devices and that's what led 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: to his resignation. 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: Also led to police reviewing their internal IT systems as 51 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: a result of what was found. What did they find? 52 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the day of the same day that Mixing 53 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: Mix Skimming resigned, Richard Chambers came out and said, look, 54 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: we're going to audit. We're going to audit a review 55 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: all our IT systems. It came back to say it's 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: pretty much fit for purpose. However, there were some weaknesses 57 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: there which they are looking to shore up. It seems 58 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: like there hadn't been sort of regular auditing of police 59 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: staff data and Internet usage on their devices. So that's 60 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: that had sort of been in place but had been 61 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: halted about four five years ago. And Chambers sort has 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: come back and said, look, the first thing we're going 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: to do is reinstate those random audits, so keep a 64 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: closer eye on what staff may or may not be 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: looking at on their devices. 66 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: All right, Jared, thank you for that update. That's Jared Savage, 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: the Herald's investigative reporter, with an update there on Jevin 68 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: mcskimming for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live 69 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.