1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Kielda. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. It's Black 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Friday and many Kiwi shoppers have already begun the hunt 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: for some great deals. While some retailers promise big discounts, 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: sometimes all is not what it seems. Claims of retailer's 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: hiking prices before discounting them to make them look like 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: a better deal are becoming more common, making us wonder 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: are the specials really that special? So during a time 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: when Kiwis are counting their pennies, how can we make 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: sure we're getting the most bang for our buck? 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Today? 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: On the front Page, Price Comparison platform Price me CEO 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: Gavin Mail joins us to give us some tips and 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: insight into these massive sales events. First off, Gavin, what 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: even is Black Friday? Why do we even celebrate it? 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? So it was actually originally a US sort of 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: tradition taking place after Thanksgiving, which is on the last 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: Thursday in November, and then the Friday basically public holiday 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: everyone in a good mood, get them to all spend 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: their money in stores. So really that was its origins, 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: and then that also expanded out into the Cyber Monday, 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: which was then the online version of Black Friday the 24 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: Monday after, and then it's all just amalgamated into one 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: big thing, as there's not really much different between those 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: bricks and mortar stores and online anymore. 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: And I mean, it seems to me correct me if 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, but I think that Black Friday's been already 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: going on all week. Have you noticed that as well? 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: I think it's even been longer than that, Chelsea. I mean, 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: we sort of kicked off in November with a Singles Day, 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: the sort of Chinese Black Friday, and we've just sort 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: of carried on with discounts since then. It's almost like 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: it's a black month. It's just, yeah, it's relentless. 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: So price Me commissioned a survey of Kiwi shoppers recently. Hey, 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: what were some of the results that stuck out to you? 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of the biggest things that stood out 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: was actually just the amount of people that said they 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: would be shopping a marked increase, with more than fifty 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: percent saying they're planning to shop this Black Friday period 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 3: versus only thirty five percent who did shop last year. 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 3: And then one of the other bits that jumped out 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: is just the amount of money, where the average spend 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: is going to be around six hundred dollars, with the 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: guys actually spending more than the girls. They're spending up 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: to seven hundred and seventy dollars. So it seems like 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of sort of pent up demand for 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: people who have been waiting for these sales periods and 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: almost getting ready to spend it up when they come along. 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: It's generally the way, Hey, if you're going to make 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: a big purchase, you do wait for one of these 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: big sales days. What are some of the big purchases 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: that people are kind of hanging out for. 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the big sort of sections tech and electronics, 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: household appliances, and then fashion and clothing. So it's really 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: almost that I don't know, if you're if you've been 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: surviving with a leaky washing machine for a bit, it's 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: been stick the tea tails underneath it until this sort 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: of period comes along and then make that purchase. 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: Thin We looked at more than two hundred deals on 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: popular products advertised by some of the biggest retailers during 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three's Black Friday and check their pricing history 63 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: six months before and six months after the big day itself. 64 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: We've been running this test annually for several years now, 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 4: and for the first time ever this time, every single 66 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: one of them was available for the same price at 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: other times of the air. Not only that, but many 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: of the products were actually cheaper at other times of 69 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: the year around four and ten deals. 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: There's some growing skepticism about how good the deals actually 71 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: are on Black Friday. Should shoppers be on high alert 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: and not assume that every special is special? 73 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's definitely something to bear in mind. 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: I mean, there are definitely some fantastic deals at Black Friday. 75 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: There really are some big discounts out there. One of 76 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: the other bits of our research we looked at the 77 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: top one hundred products across the whole of price me 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: from twenty twenty three, and we actually found that seventy 79 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: six percent of those were available at a cheaper price 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: than on Black Friday. So that might have been one 81 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: of those other big sales days, be that a Boxing 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: Day or Labor Day or just in those January sales. 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: So definitely check the prices, make sure that you can 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: sort of see the price tracking and things like that 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: on price me where you can see things like yo 86 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: yo pricing where prices go up and down between sort 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: of segments, and so they're regularly on discounts and make 88 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: sure that that Black Friday deal is down low and 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: it is at the best price you can get. 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: What are some of the tactics that retailers have been 91 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: caught out doing during these kind of sales periods. 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so one of the common sort of pricing practices, 93 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a thing we call roller coaster pricing, 94 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: like at the start of a roller coaster, when you 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: go slowly up towards that big sale period and prices 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: do sneak up in some places, and then they will 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: have a sudden drop so they can show and highlight 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 3: those as a massive discount versus a previous price. So again, 99 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: just sort of check the price trend, make sure that 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: you're not paying what you think is a big discount 101 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: when actually at boxing day historically it's been lower and cheaper. 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: And OECD survey published in October found nine out of 103 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: ten consumers had been affected by something called dark commercial 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: patterns like manipulative tactics influencing consumer behavior, and that led 105 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: to consumers to make choices that they wouldn't normally make 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: and didn't suit their best interests. What are some other 107 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: ways where we can make sure that we're not caught 108 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: out by this? 109 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: I think it's things like, don't believe some of those 110 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: things that you may see, in particular online, when it's like, oh, 111 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: there's only two remaining and only one remaining, and this 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: is in your basket and the price is going to 113 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: go up in thirty seconds. Like the whole thing that 114 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: these retailers are trying to do, especially online, is minimize 115 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: that decision making period. Historically, when you went out shopping, 116 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: you had to think what you needed to buy. You 117 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 3: had to jump in your car or get on the bus, 118 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: you go to the mall, walk around, pick it up, 119 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: look at it. Now you can literally click and buy 120 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: in one click. Just think about it, Just take a moment. 121 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: If you put it in your shopping cart, and then 122 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: come back to it later and then if you still 123 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: want it, then buy it. If it's sold out, well okay, 124 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: but that's that's not that that common. 125 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: To be fair. 126 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, is there ever only 127 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: one left? 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: Yes? I think there probably is sometimes, Chelsea, But I 129 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 3: don't think it's as often as you think. So maybe 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: there's one left in that one store, but they can 131 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: certainly get one in from a different store or from 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: the warehouse, or order one in for you. Like it's 133 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: it's they still want to make a sale, so they'll 134 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: they'll make it easy to find another one. I'm sure. 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: In terms of like roller coaster pricing, for example, why 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: isn't something like that illegal? 137 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: It's definitely frowned upon, and if it is sort of 138 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: glaringly an issue that you are are confident has actually happened, 139 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: then I think that is one to raise and complain 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: about because it would go against sort of things like 141 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: the Fair Trading Act and so on. I mean, retailers 142 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: are free to set their own prices for products, So 143 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: it's just a case of make sure that you're an 144 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: informed consumer and you know that this sort of behavior 145 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: has happened. Retailers are there to try and obviously make 146 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: money and generate sales. It's not a nice practice, and 147 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: it won't be a retailer who sticks around for a 148 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: long time if people are doing it. Just yeah, keep 149 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: your wits about you and make sure that you compare 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: the prices, compare the histories and ensure that a good 151 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: deal is actually a good deal. 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: How do you think the rise of buy now, pay 153 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: later services have changed the way we shop? 154 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've made it again easier to shop. 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 3: It's that thing where you can have it that the 156 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: sort of now now now mindset without really the thoughts 157 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: for how that's going to impact you later on. So, 158 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: I mean, our survey came back with I think around 159 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: twenty five percent were saying they were going to take 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: advantage of buy now, pay later services And as long 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: as you are prepared to do the pay later bit, 162 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: then that could be a good deal for you. But 163 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: again it's just think about it. Do you actually really 164 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: need another hoodie or another pair of trainers? It's like, 165 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: just just buy the essentials, and if you're using buy now, 166 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: pay later, think about that pay later bit because you 167 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: will pay. 168 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: At the moment I'm grappling with whether to buy a 169 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: robot cleaner or not, is that Does that fall into 170 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: that category? 171 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: Do you think how long have you been grappling with it? Chelsea? 172 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: Are the past week when I saw it on sale? 173 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: Okay? And will your life be significantly better with that 174 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: robot vacuum? Cleaner or can you just use your stick 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: vacuum you've got it at home and do your hoovering. 176 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 5: As you do. 177 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: I could probably do with just my stick vacuum cleaner. 178 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: And in my experience, I won't lie, I'm not Yeah, 179 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: I'm not always that great and I've been sucking into 180 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: a robot vacuum in the past. 181 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: Are there any products that are actually worth waiting to 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: purchase during these kinds of sales events? 183 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely are there's the products that you actually want 184 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: to need. Like I mean, it's a bit late to 185 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: say it now, but like if at the start of 186 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: the month you almost wrote a list of like these 187 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: are the things I'd like, or Christmas presents for children 188 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: and toys and things like that. Something like say Lego 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: really goes on discount, So if you have a Lego 190 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: Mad Kid, then you'll be able to pick up that 191 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: Lego on this weekend at a sheep a price. So 192 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: if you're going to be buying it anyway, then buy 193 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: it this weekend and get yourself a deal. 194 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 5: I can feel a little bit like we're telling people 195 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 5: to stuck eggs, you know, to take a breath and 196 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 5: pause and get really clear and your wants and needs, 197 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 5: because we know that people are saving up for Black 198 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 5: Friday because nowhere across the. 199 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: Woman christis and while it's a squeeze, we just want 200 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: to make sure that the bargains that people do snag 201 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: on Black Friday are genuine bargain or products that we 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: do really want or need. I think there's a voice 203 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: in the back of a lot of our minds these 204 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: days that's like, Okay, I'm a conscious consumer, I want 205 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: to buy lest I want to buy better, And sometimes, 206 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: like Friday and the heights surrounding net flies in the 207 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: face of set. 208 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: But we can't really be sure that the deals on 209 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: Friday and Cyber Monday and as such are actually going 210 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 2: to be better than ones in future though, Right Is 211 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: it actually better to wait until, say the new year 212 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: to buy some things when perhaps companies are accounting stock 213 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: and realizing that they've got a lot left before they 214 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: buy the next batch for next year. 215 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly can be. And that's that's one of 216 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: those sort of old adage is that the best day 217 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: to go Christmas shopping is the day after Christmas. If 218 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: you can beat that planned, then fabulous. There's there's always 219 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: going to be another sale. There's always going to be 220 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 3: another deal, and I think that one of the things 221 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: that the kiwis again getting better at again that was 222 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: shown in our survey was actually a bit of haggling 223 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: and a bit of price matching. So I've done it myself. 224 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: I've been in one of the big main electronic retailers 225 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: and I've literally just asked the question at the checkout, 226 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: can you do anything on the price? And I've been 227 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: able to literally just get fifty bucks off then and 228 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: there without any uncomfortableness, just cut straight off the price 229 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: and paid less. 230 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: I guess gone are the days where you have to 231 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: mentally prepare yourself to go out to Boxing Day sales 232 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: or Black Friday sales and be like elbows out, I'm 233 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: going to grab stuff. Remember those images from stores in 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: the US of people stampeding into stores and carrying TVs 235 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: on their heads and such. 236 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: Do you reckon? 237 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: Those days are gone. 238 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: I think They'll probably still be a certain demographic or 239 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: a certain audience that likes to do it that way. 240 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: But for the rest of us, like sitting just getting 241 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: ready on the laptop or on your phone. 242 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: Buy and Zed is urging New Zealand consumers to pause 243 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: and consider the environmental and social impacts of Black Friday. 244 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: They say the focus on large chain retailers can negatively 245 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: impact local businesses and the overall economic health of communities. 246 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: Would you agree with. 247 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that 248 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: some of that sort of fast fashion and electronics and 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: the disposable nature of so many products that we have now, 250 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: it's just it's so easy to buy to upgrade that 251 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: phone because the new ones come out, and so much 252 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: focus is given to launch events that make these new phones, 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: this new technology seem like it's the greatest thing on earth, 254 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: when what we're currently using and currently have is more 255 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: than adequate, and it's just creating almost this inflated demand 256 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 3: that does it encourages churn because again, the companies, they're 257 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: working for their shareholders, they're working to drive their profits, 258 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: and they need us to get rid of our old 259 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: iPhone and get the new iPhone, even though the old ones. 260 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Find And do you think that there's been a shift 261 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: in recent times away from just owning so much stuff? 262 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: Is everybody mariecondoing their houses? Do you reckon? 263 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 5: Not? 264 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: If you see things like the sort of the rise 265 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: of timur and so on, because I think it's again 266 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: easy to buy stuff, like it's not just a case 267 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: of getting now something that is built to last. It's 268 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: so easy to I don't know, trade in that dinner 269 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: set that you're using, because there's all that one looks 270 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: nice and I can have a specific Christmas dinner set, 271 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: or I can have a specific Easter dinner set. And 272 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: it's also affordable in financial terms, but it definitely will 273 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: be impacting socially and environmentally. 274 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Gavin, my pleasure, Chelsea, great to chat. 275 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 276 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 277 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: at enzhrald dot co dot enz. The Front Page is 278 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: produced by Ethan Sills and Richard Martin, who is also 279 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: a sound engineer. I'm Chelsea Daniels. 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