1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Said B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:20,893 --> 00:00:22,733 Speaker 1: Used Talk Said Talk. 4 00:00:24,293 --> 00:00:27,653 Speaker 2: Hellomgod for Beanies, and Welcome to the bean for Tuesday. 5 00:00:27,653 --> 00:00:29,493 Speaker 2: First of yesterday's news. I am being art and we 6 00:00:29,493 --> 00:00:36,653 Speaker 2: are looking back at Monday. We've got fallout from the 7 00:00:36,693 --> 00:00:42,253 Speaker 2: fuel shortage. If there is a fuel shortage, there's a 8 00:00:42,293 --> 00:00:46,173 Speaker 2: teacher pay shortage if you're part of the union, of course, 9 00:00:47,293 --> 00:00:52,453 Speaker 2: and all the dirty little details about Chrisippins and his 10 00:00:52,613 --> 00:00:57,493 Speaker 2: X wide at the end of the podcast, before any 11 00:00:57,493 --> 00:01:03,253 Speaker 2: of that. Yes, a fuel prices, whether there's a shortage 12 00:01:03,333 --> 00:01:05,653 Speaker 2: or not, the prices are certainly going up. 13 00:01:05,933 --> 00:01:08,773 Speaker 3: God deny that has the price of pitchill change your 14 00:01:08,813 --> 00:01:12,773 Speaker 3: habits or you just putting up with it and thinking 15 00:01:13,013 --> 00:01:15,773 Speaker 3: sighing heavily and thinking, oh, well, it is what it 16 00:01:15,853 --> 00:01:23,893 Speaker 3: is until such time. Is there a resolution? Have you 17 00:01:24,093 --> 00:01:30,293 Speaker 3: decided to forego trips? Have you decided to forego a 18 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:33,213 Speaker 3: tickie tour of the South Island perhaps, or a ticky 19 00:01:33,253 --> 00:01:39,493 Speaker 3: tour of the North. Is it impacting the decision making yet? 20 00:01:39,653 --> 00:01:42,573 Speaker 3: I know that there are some people who are buying 21 00:01:42,613 --> 00:01:45,373 Speaker 3: fuel and storing it, and do be careful with your insurance, 22 00:01:45,373 --> 00:01:47,533 Speaker 3: as people have said time and time again. But there 23 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:50,213 Speaker 3: are also people buying fuel because this is the time 24 00:01:50,213 --> 00:01:52,173 Speaker 3: of year when they do. As our farmers told us, 25 00:01:52,893 --> 00:01:55,533 Speaker 3: this is normally what we're doing. It's harvesting. You know, 26 00:01:55,533 --> 00:02:03,053 Speaker 3: there's still haymaking going these harvesting fertilizers being put down. 27 00:02:05,133 --> 00:02:08,573 Speaker 3: It's just the people haven't noticed before that they're bling 28 00:02:08,653 --> 00:02:13,853 Speaker 3: up large amounts of diesel to take out onto the farm. 29 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:18,253 Speaker 3: But because there is a renewed interest and focus on 30 00:02:18,333 --> 00:02:22,053 Speaker 3: people buying gas and diesel and fuel at the pumps, 31 00:02:22,453 --> 00:02:27,493 Speaker 3: everybody's noticing and thinking at stock Parling, has it changed 32 00:02:28,093 --> 00:02:31,813 Speaker 3: what you're doing right now? Are you looking at having 33 00:02:31,853 --> 00:02:35,893 Speaker 3: to increase your prices because the oil companies have not 34 00:02:35,973 --> 00:02:39,133 Speaker 3: been Their profits are soaring, but they have not been 35 00:02:39,173 --> 00:02:40,733 Speaker 3: slow in passing on the extra costs. 36 00:02:40,933 --> 00:02:42,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, guys, I am going to have to 37 00:02:44,013 --> 00:02:50,893 Speaker 2: double the cost of this podcast and it's costing me 38 00:02:50,933 --> 00:02:52,653 Speaker 2: a lot more to get to work to do it. 39 00:02:52,813 --> 00:02:56,253 Speaker 2: So sucks to be you. But I know you weren't 40 00:02:56,253 --> 00:02:58,053 Speaker 2: going there because you love this podcast. 41 00:02:58,093 --> 00:03:00,293 Speaker 1: So nuch news Talk. 42 00:03:00,573 --> 00:03:02,493 Speaker 4: Has it been on. 43 00:03:02,413 --> 00:03:05,173 Speaker 2: The afternoon show though there were at least there were 44 00:03:05,213 --> 00:03:07,933 Speaker 2: some callers keeping it real and no, I haven't just 45 00:03:07,933 --> 00:03:09,573 Speaker 2: put this on because of his name. 46 00:03:09,653 --> 00:03:13,493 Speaker 5: Glean Afternoon Afternoon leads Keen on your thoughts, Yeah, I 47 00:03:13,533 --> 00:03:14,453 Speaker 5: don't think. 48 00:03:14,373 --> 00:03:16,693 Speaker 4: You need to get to panicky doing We need to 49 00:03:16,693 --> 00:03:20,413 Speaker 4: probably panic slowly on this one. I think Nikola and 50 00:03:20,493 --> 00:03:22,733 Speaker 4: made of you know, they've sort of said this is 51 00:03:22,773 --> 00:03:24,453 Speaker 4: what we can do and what we can't do, and 52 00:03:24,733 --> 00:03:26,453 Speaker 4: that's that's fine. That it's not at the level that 53 00:03:26,453 --> 00:03:29,973 Speaker 4: they're worried about yet. And I talk to Bread Elson 54 00:03:30,013 --> 00:03:38,253 Speaker 4: the other day. Alexander came then head change the national 55 00:03:38,373 --> 00:03:43,853 Speaker 4: spend your per family is like six percent, So. 56 00:03:44,973 --> 00:03:47,253 Speaker 5: Oh, you're just cutting in and out a little bit, Glen, 57 00:03:47,253 --> 00:03:49,693 Speaker 5: So hopefully their line stabilized, say six percent. 58 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:51,693 Speaker 6: Six percent of taken pay for the average family. 59 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:52,653 Speaker 7: Did you say for Field, Glen. 60 00:03:52,893 --> 00:03:54,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well no, that's not what I'm saying. That's 61 00:03:54,933 --> 00:03:57,333 Speaker 4: what Bread seems to us that it's the best sexis scene, 62 00:03:57,333 --> 00:03:58,533 Speaker 4: So it has to go up a hell of a 63 00:03:58,533 --> 00:04:01,853 Speaker 4: lot for it to actually I mean, it feels a 64 00:04:01,853 --> 00:04:04,053 Speaker 4: lot when you're paying for it on the day compared 65 00:04:04,093 --> 00:04:06,173 Speaker 4: to actually spinning for the rest of the week. It's 66 00:04:06,213 --> 00:04:09,053 Speaker 4: not actually a huge amount for me they're scary one 67 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:12,933 Speaker 4: as the fertilizer and the diesel, Like you know, everything 68 00:04:12,973 --> 00:04:16,213 Speaker 4: you eat is growing with fertilizer. Every single pagetable is 69 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:18,093 Speaker 4: grown with fertilizer, and then it gets to you on 70 00:04:18,133 --> 00:04:20,893 Speaker 4: a diesel truck. So that's that's the scary part. Yeah, 71 00:04:21,213 --> 00:04:23,293 Speaker 4: it's not actually the guest going in the tank and 72 00:04:23,333 --> 00:04:25,693 Speaker 4: gold fuel and you know, people buying curry cans and 73 00:04:25,773 --> 00:04:29,173 Speaker 4: or you know points. 74 00:04:29,413 --> 00:04:31,333 Speaker 5: So yeah, it does seem to be the diesel that 75 00:04:31,373 --> 00:04:34,093 Speaker 5: gets hit the hardest. Right there, Just in that press conference, 76 00:04:34,133 --> 00:04:36,693 Speaker 5: she had said, on average, petrol was up twenty seven 77 00:04:36,733 --> 00:04:39,133 Speaker 5: dollars a tank, diesel up to thirty six bucks a tank. 78 00:04:39,373 --> 00:04:41,693 Speaker 5: But I remember during you know, twenty twenty two, the 79 00:04:41,813 --> 00:04:45,773 Speaker 5: Ukraine Russia situation, it was diesel that just rocketed up. 80 00:04:45,813 --> 00:04:52,173 Speaker 2: I like the idea of peneting slowly. That's the way 81 00:04:52,213 --> 00:04:56,973 Speaker 2: I've always panicked, and I've got no plans to change. 82 00:04:57,693 --> 00:05:01,653 Speaker 2: To be honest, I do most slowly and I have 83 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:06,053 Speaker 2: no plans of change talk. So yeah, the price of 84 00:05:06,133 --> 00:05:08,693 Speaker 2: podcast isn't the only thing that's been effective, of course 85 00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:11,373 Speaker 2: by this crisis. 86 00:05:11,653 --> 00:05:13,533 Speaker 6: By the way, I'm just saying that you just canceled 87 00:05:13,533 --> 00:05:16,093 Speaker 6: flights from in Vera Cargo to christ Church three a 88 00:05:16,173 --> 00:05:19,333 Speaker 6: week because of the current crisis. We've already lost our 89 00:05:19,373 --> 00:05:24,733 Speaker 6: flights in Viicargol, Wellington shocking and south of the peest 90 00:05:24,733 --> 00:05:27,333 Speaker 6: we drive in the economy. Maybe they can't use our 91 00:05:27,413 --> 00:05:28,053 Speaker 6: data center. 92 00:05:28,253 --> 00:05:32,013 Speaker 2: Is he suggesting that they hold our data hostage until 93 00:05:32,053 --> 00:05:36,573 Speaker 2: they get the flights back. Tell you what, man, if 94 00:05:36,613 --> 00:05:38,733 Speaker 2: I had a dollar for everybody who just come up 95 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:40,133 Speaker 2: to me and said, man, do you know how hard 96 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:44,653 Speaker 2: it is to get to in Vicargo lately? I have 97 00:05:44,893 --> 00:05:51,893 Speaker 2: no dollars. Now, this whole teacher paid dispute thing, it 98 00:05:51,933 --> 00:05:53,853 Speaker 2: seems to be worked out as long as you're not 99 00:05:53,893 --> 00:05:56,653 Speaker 2: part of the union. Funny, old Kettler fish, isn't it. 100 00:05:56,733 --> 00:06:00,493 Speaker 7: Last week ended with this bizarre situation where labor basically 101 00:06:00,533 --> 00:06:03,093 Speaker 7: came out against a pay rise for teachers. If you 102 00:06:03,213 --> 00:06:06,253 Speaker 7: caught the end of last week, they did this because of, well, 103 00:06:06,253 --> 00:06:08,813 Speaker 7: that's what the unions want and what the US want. 104 00:06:08,853 --> 00:06:12,093 Speaker 7: The unions generally get with labor. Union strategy one oh 105 00:06:12,093 --> 00:06:14,453 Speaker 7: one is getting everyone who's not a member to become one. 106 00:06:14,973 --> 00:06:18,613 Speaker 7: The tactic generally is pear pressure. If you can deprive 107 00:06:18,853 --> 00:06:22,413 Speaker 7: non union members of pay rise while dragging out your negotiations. 108 00:06:22,653 --> 00:06:26,813 Speaker 7: That's leverage. Labour last week got rid of Willow gene Prime. 109 00:06:26,893 --> 00:06:30,413 Speaker 7: About time she's scored an F in the portfolio. Ginny 110 00:06:30,453 --> 00:06:33,213 Speaker 7: Anderson's been lumped with it at a time when national 111 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:35,813 Speaker 7: is seen across a bunch of different polls. This term 112 00:06:35,893 --> 00:06:37,893 Speaker 7: to be either better or at least as good as 113 00:06:37,973 --> 00:06:41,053 Speaker 7: labor on education, which is saying something because like health, 114 00:06:41,613 --> 00:06:45,253 Speaker 7: it's usually the purview of the left to own that issue. 115 00:06:45,533 --> 00:06:49,533 Speaker 7: But something's shifted and Ginny probably and maybe that's partly 116 00:06:49,693 --> 00:06:53,613 Speaker 7: Erica Stanford's doing, but Ginny probably needs to take a 117 00:06:53,613 --> 00:06:57,053 Speaker 7: good hard look at which battles she blindly follows her 118 00:06:57,053 --> 00:07:01,093 Speaker 7: comrade's into. She's now got education. Of course, charter schools 119 00:07:01,173 --> 00:07:03,853 Speaker 7: is another example. I was reading at the weekend about 120 00:07:03,933 --> 00:07:07,693 Speaker 7: the breadth of subjects and students that these schools actually 121 00:07:07,733 --> 00:07:11,013 Speaker 7: cater to. You've got seven Mardy schools, You've got a Pacific, 122 00:07:11,053 --> 00:07:14,653 Speaker 7: a girls' school who were featured on the show previously, Autism, 123 00:07:14,933 --> 00:07:19,493 Speaker 7: French Sport, Cambridge, you name it, there's a shopping list. 124 00:07:20,053 --> 00:07:23,773 Speaker 7: Last week the Principals Union said all of those schools, 125 00:07:23,813 --> 00:07:26,493 Speaker 7: I think they're about nineteen applications for them so far 126 00:07:26,853 --> 00:07:30,973 Speaker 7: all of them should be closed and the money, they say, 127 00:07:31,373 --> 00:07:35,213 Speaker 7: should be put back into the mainstream system. They don't 128 00:07:35,213 --> 00:07:38,893 Speaker 7: believe schools are failing certain cohorts of young people, which 129 00:07:38,933 --> 00:07:41,213 Speaker 7: is the very reason, of course, that charter schools exist 130 00:07:41,293 --> 00:07:42,013 Speaker 7: in the first place. 131 00:07:42,813 --> 00:07:43,333 Speaker 4: Now, to an. 132 00:07:43,293 --> 00:07:47,493 Speaker 7: Average parent, or an average person, but actually an average voter, 133 00:07:47,853 --> 00:07:51,773 Speaker 7: more importantly, for the politicians. For an average voter, this 134 00:07:51,853 --> 00:07:56,373 Speaker 7: looks political and not practical, I think most kiwis except 135 00:07:56,373 --> 00:08:01,613 Speaker 7: that mainstream schooling doesn't work for everyone. Most also except 136 00:08:01,893 --> 00:08:05,173 Speaker 7: that teaching needs to be better paid, regardless of your 137 00:08:05,293 --> 00:08:09,253 Speaker 7: union affiliation. So to rile against these things just because 138 00:08:09,293 --> 00:08:11,733 Speaker 7: your union mates demand you do so is hardly going 139 00:08:11,733 --> 00:08:14,173 Speaker 7: to win back public support in an area where ground 140 00:08:14,213 --> 00:08:15,253 Speaker 7: has clearly been lost. 141 00:08:15,373 --> 00:08:16,933 Speaker 2: Are you ever feeling more and more and more and 142 00:08:17,013 --> 00:08:20,853 Speaker 2: more and more that the people who are involved in 143 00:08:20,933 --> 00:08:27,973 Speaker 2: the Labor Party, they sort of they've looked at reality 144 00:08:28,893 --> 00:08:33,573 Speaker 2: from a distance and then they've got no I hold 145 00:08:33,613 --> 00:08:37,933 Speaker 2: no truck with it, and they've never been back news 146 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:41,213 Speaker 2: talk ze been and it's for this whole thing with 147 00:08:42,133 --> 00:08:45,573 Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins and the eggs. I actually you don't know 148 00:08:45,573 --> 00:08:48,253 Speaker 2: anything about it. When I said at the beginning of 149 00:08:48,253 --> 00:08:50,533 Speaker 2: the podcast, they were going to be all the grizzly details. 150 00:08:53,173 --> 00:08:56,493 Speaker 2: That was just it was just clickbait. Basically, what's the 151 00:08:56,693 --> 00:08:59,293 Speaker 2: what's the oral equivalent of clickbait to get you to 152 00:08:59,333 --> 00:09:01,333 Speaker 2: listen to the end of the podcast? Anyway, That's what 153 00:09:01,373 --> 00:09:01,733 Speaker 2: this was. 154 00:09:01,933 --> 00:09:03,893 Speaker 8: I don't know what Chippy should do. I don't I 155 00:09:03,893 --> 00:09:05,733 Speaker 8: don't know what Chris Hopkins should do about the stuff 156 00:09:05,733 --> 00:09:07,893 Speaker 8: that his ex wife has posted on social media today. 157 00:09:08,053 --> 00:09:10,253 Speaker 8: Now if I can't repeat what she said because I 158 00:09:10,293 --> 00:09:13,053 Speaker 8: cannot substantiate any of what she said, I don't know 159 00:09:13,093 --> 00:09:15,053 Speaker 8: if any of it is true, And none of us 160 00:09:15,093 --> 00:09:17,333 Speaker 8: in the media know what is true and what is 161 00:09:17,373 --> 00:09:19,173 Speaker 8: not true, which is why none of us can run it, 162 00:09:19,653 --> 00:09:22,493 Speaker 8: because if any of it isn't true, and Chris Hipkins 163 00:09:22,573 --> 00:09:25,293 Speaker 8: sues for defamation, it's not just her he's going to sue, 164 00:09:25,453 --> 00:09:28,853 Speaker 8: it's all of us who repeat it. Unfortunately for him. 165 00:09:28,853 --> 00:09:30,773 Speaker 8: It obviously doesn't stop you from going and digging it 166 00:09:30,813 --> 00:09:33,533 Speaker 8: out yourself, or if you'll, like me today, just having 167 00:09:33,533 --> 00:09:36,613 Speaker 8: it sent to you on texts and emails, just unprompted 168 00:09:36,853 --> 00:09:40,773 Speaker 8: in It comes because someone, if not multiple people, have 169 00:09:40,853 --> 00:09:44,053 Speaker 8: screen grabbed her original Facebook post and sent it around now. 170 00:09:44,093 --> 00:09:45,613 Speaker 8: This is why I don't know what he should do 171 00:09:45,653 --> 00:09:47,613 Speaker 8: about it, because if this was nineteen eighty four and 172 00:09:47,653 --> 00:09:49,973 Speaker 8: social media didn't exist, I'd say to him just ignore it, 173 00:09:50,013 --> 00:09:53,093 Speaker 8: say nothing. No one can print it or broadcast it 174 00:09:53,173 --> 00:09:55,853 Speaker 8: unless she's prepared to sign an affidavit or provide evidence 175 00:09:55,853 --> 00:09:59,293 Speaker 8: of text exchanges or email exchanges or official documents backing 176 00:09:59,373 --> 00:10:01,293 Speaker 8: up what she's alleging. But the problem for Chris Hopkins 177 00:10:01,413 --> 00:10:03,333 Speaker 8: is it's not at nineteen eighty four, is it. It's 178 00:10:03,373 --> 00:10:06,013 Speaker 8: the social media age, and he cannot just rely on 179 00:10:06,053 --> 00:10:08,293 Speaker 8: the media being responsible to stop the flow of information 180 00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:12,013 Speaker 8: like this because it flows liberally on Twitter and Facebook 181 00:10:12,013 --> 00:10:15,373 Speaker 8: and whatever other medium we cannot control with rules in 182 00:10:15,413 --> 00:10:19,013 Speaker 8: this country, which means this will probably go the way 183 00:10:19,013 --> 00:10:21,493 Speaker 8: of the Clerk Gayford rumor and the Tom Phillips suppressed 184 00:10:21,493 --> 00:10:24,693 Speaker 8: information within weeks or within months. By the time the 185 00:10:24,693 --> 00:10:27,893 Speaker 8: election rolls around, hundreds of thousands of people's will people 186 00:10:27,893 --> 00:10:30,773 Speaker 8: will have read it or heard it, read the screen grab, 187 00:10:30,813 --> 00:10:32,813 Speaker 8: and the damage may be done. There will be people 188 00:10:32,853 --> 00:10:34,893 Speaker 8: who believe the stuff that she said in this account, 189 00:10:34,933 --> 00:10:37,373 Speaker 8: and if you've seen it, you know it's pretty nasty stuff. 190 00:10:37,373 --> 00:10:40,253 Speaker 8: It's pretty damaging stuff. And they will believe it because 191 00:10:40,293 --> 00:10:42,253 Speaker 8: he has said nothing to defend himself. 192 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:42,693 Speaker 4: That is a. 193 00:10:42,693 --> 00:10:45,853 Speaker 8: Possibility that that plays out like this. But the alternative 194 00:10:45,893 --> 00:10:47,853 Speaker 8: is he pipes up and does defend himself, and then 195 00:10:47,893 --> 00:10:50,813 Speaker 8: what happens. What are we witnessing witnessing an ugly fight 196 00:10:50,933 --> 00:10:53,773 Speaker 8: between two divorces about what happened to lead to their 197 00:10:53,813 --> 00:10:56,373 Speaker 8: marriage falling apart in what happened afterwards. Now that never 198 00:10:56,413 --> 00:10:59,453 Speaker 8: helps anyone, right, let alone a politician wanting to be 199 00:10:59,533 --> 00:11:02,773 Speaker 8: prime minister. So I actually don't know what Chris Hopkins 200 00:11:02,773 --> 00:11:04,733 Speaker 8: should do. I do not know what his advisors will 201 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:06,893 Speaker 8: tell him to do. This is a political pr nightmare. 202 00:11:06,933 --> 00:11:10,093 Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, made of mine, message me or 203 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:15,373 Speaker 2: texted me or something about it, And I just replied, well, 204 00:11:16,413 --> 00:11:18,173 Speaker 2: if it's something that happened during the day, I don't 205 00:11:18,173 --> 00:11:20,373 Speaker 2: know anything about it because I ignore the news until 206 00:11:20,413 --> 00:11:23,893 Speaker 2: I come into work next morning. I'm not convinced this 207 00:11:24,013 --> 00:11:29,013 Speaker 2: is news. I also do, like I said important, I 208 00:11:29,053 --> 00:11:33,893 Speaker 2: honestly couldn't care. I don't even care about receiptins. Little 209 00:11:33,933 --> 00:11:37,413 Speaker 2: later to X work. I am a glea at heart 210 00:11:38,613 --> 00:11:41,573 Speaker 2: that has been used to said bet, thank you for 211 00:11:41,613 --> 00:11:43,973 Speaker 2: caring about me and for you know, coping up for 212 00:11:44,053 --> 00:11:47,453 Speaker 2: the extra bucks to cover my fuel costs. I appreciate it. 213 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:49,893 Speaker 2: I'll see you back here again tomorrow if I can afford. 214 00:11:49,693 --> 00:11:55,773 Speaker 1: The driving US Talking Talking it Bean. For more from 215 00:11:55,853 --> 00:11:59,053 Speaker 1: News Talk Said B. Listen live on air or online, 216 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:01,493 Speaker 1: and keep our shows with you wherever you go with 217 00:12:01,573 --> 00:12:03,533 Speaker 1: our podcast on iHeartRadio.