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Speaker 1: So, in the wake of Australia booting under sixteens off

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Speaker 1: social media, our own government's Education and Workforce Committee has

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Speaker 1: dropped its interim report on youth online harm and it's

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Speaker 1: recommended cross party support on a potential age ban here

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Speaker 1: and the creation of a new online regulator. So Dr

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Speaker 1: palmje Palmer represents Act on that committee, the Education and

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Speaker 1: Workforce Committee, and Palmjeek joins me. Now, hello, hello, so

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Speaker 1: are you in support of the age band?

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Speaker 2: So what I would say is that you will see

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Speaker 2: that we have a different view in the report and

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Speaker 2: the reason for the different view is that we felt

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Speaker 2: as the parties are the parties that is National and

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Speaker 2: Labor are getting ahead of themselves because there is more

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Speaker 2: work that needs to be done. And so what we

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Speaker 2: saw was that they were already jumping to policy recommendations

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Speaker 2: talking about the band.

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Speaker 1: So what what? No, So what work needs to be done?

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Speaker 1: Do we need to be just sitting back and just

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Speaker 1: watching whether the Australian thing works?

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Speaker 2: So definitely, I would say to my parliamentary colleagues that

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Speaker 2: we need to take a deep breath, We should watch

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Speaker 2: the role out of this policy in Australia because this

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Speaker 2: is a natural experiment happening, and we have this great

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Speaker 2: opportunity to learn from them in real time. So we

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Speaker 2: should not be rushing for a policy of ban because

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Speaker 2: in my view it would be kind of irresponsible for

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Speaker 2: us to do that because we can learn from Australia.

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Speaker 2: And also already I'm seeing some reports in media about

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Speaker 2: young people trying to get around the band. So the

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Speaker 2: ultimate goal is to reduce harm, but with what is happening,

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Speaker 2: we know that we will be pushing young people into unregulated,

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Speaker 2: harder to monitor, darker spaces of Internet, so there will

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Speaker 2: be more suffering, more suffering and more secretly.

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Speaker 1: So in that case, you need an online regulator, and

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Speaker 1: that's been proposed in this report. So what would an

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Speaker 1: online regulator do?

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Speaker 2: So the idea of this vote was actually to summarize

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Speaker 2: what we have heard and also summarized the advice. So

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Speaker 2: the idea of this report and trim report was not

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Speaker 2: to provide any solutions or recommendations, and that is what

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Speaker 2: our concern is. So we need to do more work

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Speaker 2: in the Select Committee to ensure that we come to

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Speaker 2: right kind of conclusions. And if you asked me, I

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Speaker 2: trust ban as a solution at this stage, what I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing in Australia, my response will be now and we

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Speaker 2: need to understand more what this regulator would do, because

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Speaker 2: we need to understand what the powers of this regulator

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Speaker 2: will be. So what I'm saying is that at this

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Speaker 2: stage we needed to actually just summarize submissions and summarize advice.

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Speaker 2: But seeing that some parties have jumped to policy recommendations,

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Speaker 2: actually that compromise.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, exactly, can I just summarize? Can I just

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Speaker 1: summarize it? Therefore that you and act say, ty Hoe,

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Speaker 1: let's have a look at what's happening, and you don't rush,

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Speaker 1: but you're saying that National and Labor they're rushing in

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Speaker 1: far too quickly because they feel it's a positive thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a good vote, vote winn.

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Speaker 2: So our concern is this that the ultimate goal of

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Speaker 2: this inquiry was to provide some kind of solutions. So

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Speaker 2: if we identify some risks, we have to come up

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Speaker 2: with solutions. Just like cars, we know they're dangerous, we

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Speaker 2: need seat belts, we need road rules, so we need

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Speaker 2: to do something. But that doesn't mean we jump to

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Speaker 2: this conclusion of a pen or a regulator. That was

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Speaker 2: not the purpose of this report. So you'll remember that

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Speaker 2: when I wrote to the Select Committee, the plan was

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Speaker 2: to provide a report in November, and then the SELEC

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Speaker 2: Committee realizes it's actually a bigger task than it was imagined.

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Speaker 2: And that's why this report is split into two parts.

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Speaker 2: The first part was about submissions and advice, not jumping

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Speaker 2: to policy recommendations without getting proper advice on solutions and

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Speaker 2: recommendations and how they would work.

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Speaker 1: And really I thank you. Panji Paman is the Xbox

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Speaker 1: person who's on that committee. For more familiar edition with

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