1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:15,867 Speaker 2: Ed b Leo, Willie stop, heads around, right, hands up, voter. 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:21,067 Speaker 3: Parents, well done it. You want to not deny your 5 00:00:21,107 --> 00:00:24,827 Speaker 3: blackness time. One of two tries for will Jordan last night. 6 00:00:24,907 --> 00:00:26,867 Speaker 3: One of four tries for the All Blacks and they're 7 00:00:26,907 --> 00:00:31,627 Speaker 3: thirty one twenty seven win over France in Dunedin. Let's 8 00:00:31,627 --> 00:00:34,867 Speaker 3: bring in All Blacks Assistant coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks 9 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:37,547 Speaker 3: for joining us on Weekend Sport this afternoon. Having given 10 00:00:37,587 --> 00:00:40,867 Speaker 3: it the overnight test. How do you evaluate the first 11 00:00:40,947 --> 00:00:43,107 Speaker 3: up performance of the year in general terms? 12 00:00:43,947 --> 00:00:47,627 Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, look, obviously good to want to test pitch, 13 00:00:48,027 --> 00:00:50,787 Speaker 2: but we're you know, lots of lots of things where 14 00:00:50,827 --> 00:00:55,307 Speaker 2: we need to grow and we need to improve pretty quickly. Yeah, 15 00:00:55,307 --> 00:00:59,267 Speaker 2: we crowded a lot of opportunities and didn't finish a 16 00:00:59,307 --> 00:01:01,987 Speaker 2: lot and you know, we would probably would have liked 17 00:01:01,987 --> 00:01:04,507 Speaker 2: to put a bit more pressure on the French the 18 00:01:04,547 --> 00:01:06,667 Speaker 2: French attack as well and slow them down on bit. 19 00:01:06,707 --> 00:01:09,267 Speaker 2: So there's a couple of key areas where we're tendified 20 00:01:09,267 --> 00:01:11,547 Speaker 2: and where we'll with a lot of work today on 21 00:01:11,867 --> 00:01:13,787 Speaker 2: sitting our week up to make sure we get improvements 22 00:01:13,787 --> 00:01:14,227 Speaker 2: this week. 23 00:01:14,547 --> 00:01:16,787 Speaker 3: How do you set the week up to get those improvements? 24 00:01:16,787 --> 00:01:19,267 Speaker 3: Where do you place your specific focus? 25 00:01:20,347 --> 00:01:22,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, we'll we'll spend a lot of a lot 26 00:01:22,547 --> 00:01:26,307 Speaker 2: of the morning getting through that as coaches, and I 27 00:01:26,347 --> 00:01:27,987 Speaker 2: think a lot of it will be around some really 28 00:01:28,147 --> 00:01:32,187 Speaker 2: really simple basics of the game. You know, again, we 29 00:01:32,507 --> 00:01:35,107 Speaker 2: did create quite a bit and just little eras that 30 00:01:35,427 --> 00:01:38,507 Speaker 2: vital times stopped us really putting the putting the foot 31 00:01:38,547 --> 00:01:40,787 Speaker 2: on the throat, so to speak from attacking point of view. 32 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:44,787 Speaker 2: And another obvious one that stand out at the moment 33 00:01:44,907 --> 00:01:47,627 Speaker 2: is just winning winning the battles around some of the 34 00:01:47,627 --> 00:01:50,467 Speaker 2: fifty fifty position, around some of the kick game, I reckon, 35 00:01:51,747 --> 00:01:53,867 Speaker 2: you know, the French probably won the year and won 36 00:01:53,907 --> 00:01:57,027 Speaker 2: the ground from the kick battle, and we've got a 37 00:01:57,027 --> 00:01:59,107 Speaker 2: lot of position that way which we we sort of 38 00:01:59,507 --> 00:02:02,907 Speaker 2: would love to get some more turnover and opportunities to 39 00:02:02,947 --> 00:02:06,107 Speaker 2: play from kicks. So yeah, a couple of things standing 40 00:02:06,107 --> 00:02:08,387 Speaker 2: out the moment, but we'll have a really good luck. 41 00:02:08,267 --> 00:02:12,507 Speaker 3: This morning that that kicking aspect you just talked about there, 42 00:02:12,547 --> 00:02:16,347 Speaker 3: and contesting the high ball, is that an easy six? 43 00:02:18,307 --> 00:02:20,827 Speaker 2: Yes, it's just time. It's a time and it's probably 44 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:23,107 Speaker 2: a little bit of a little bit of mindset towards 45 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:24,747 Speaker 2: a lot. There was a lot of bubble ball and 46 00:02:24,827 --> 00:02:27,787 Speaker 2: scraps come from from the contest last night. We know 47 00:02:27,867 --> 00:02:30,747 Speaker 2: you when you play the French they play, that's their style. 48 00:02:30,947 --> 00:02:33,027 Speaker 2: They like to you know, they kick a lot and 49 00:02:33,067 --> 00:02:34,907 Speaker 2: they want to play off the off the sort of 50 00:02:34,907 --> 00:02:37,507 Speaker 2: scraps that they get from their kicks. So there's a 51 00:02:37,547 --> 00:02:41,027 Speaker 2: bit of skill set of mindset, and yeah, we all 52 00:02:41,107 --> 00:02:43,627 Speaker 2: it's a it's a big part of as I say, 53 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:45,947 Speaker 2: some of those key positions at key times that can 54 00:02:45,987 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 2: really turn games. So we'll definitely put a lot of 55 00:02:48,987 --> 00:02:49,467 Speaker 2: time into that. 56 00:02:49,507 --> 00:02:53,787 Speaker 3: This week, three disallowed tries. What level of frustration did 57 00:02:53,827 --> 00:02:54,187 Speaker 3: that bring? 58 00:02:55,987 --> 00:02:59,467 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, obviously, yeah, you know you get excited about, 59 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:02,787 Speaker 2: you know, the executing something really well and and then 60 00:03:02,787 --> 00:03:04,587 Speaker 2: it gets turned over. But look, I think a lot 61 00:03:04,627 --> 00:03:07,867 Speaker 2: of that was within our within our gat up making 62 00:03:07,867 --> 00:03:09,747 Speaker 2: sure we do everything as well as we possibly can 63 00:03:09,827 --> 00:03:13,507 Speaker 2: to take tmos and referees out of the game. So yeah, 64 00:03:13,547 --> 00:03:16,347 Speaker 2: well we'll just look at our little accuracies around those 65 00:03:16,387 --> 00:03:20,547 Speaker 2: things that stopped those things becoming an issue. So yeah, 66 00:03:20,587 --> 00:03:24,307 Speaker 2: it's frustrating, but it's one of those things, and sometimes 67 00:03:24,307 --> 00:03:25,947 Speaker 2: you get the fifty to fifty and sometimes you don't. 68 00:03:26,027 --> 00:03:27,987 Speaker 2: So you've got to make sure you know everything and 69 00:03:28,147 --> 00:03:29,267 Speaker 2: everything you can control. 70 00:03:29,427 --> 00:03:31,747 Speaker 3: No issue with any of them. 71 00:03:32,067 --> 00:03:35,147 Speaker 2: Oh no, look, I personally I think the last one 72 00:03:35,227 --> 00:03:37,867 Speaker 2: is was a real fifty fifty around that obstruction. It's 73 00:03:38,027 --> 00:03:41,307 Speaker 2: it's an interesting call that you know, get around of 74 00:03:41,307 --> 00:03:45,467 Speaker 2: real consistency around that one. But yeah, it's one of 75 00:03:45,467 --> 00:03:48,507 Speaker 2: those things you control your control in these short weeks. 76 00:03:49,107 --> 00:03:51,987 Speaker 3: How much did the very very early loss of sever 77 00:03:52,147 --> 00:03:54,267 Speaker 3: race change the way you wanted to play? 78 00:03:55,507 --> 00:03:58,387 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's opous. Everything's He's obviously had a pretty pretty 79 00:03:58,387 --> 00:04:00,707 Speaker 2: good super and been training really well. I was excited 80 00:04:00,747 --> 00:04:03,987 Speaker 2: about playing and you know got and unfortunate happ to 81 00:04:03,987 --> 00:04:07,027 Speaker 2: the head there, So yeah, it was watching it. Obviously 82 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:09,947 Speaker 2: trained trained all week or trained for ten days in 83 00:04:09,947 --> 00:04:13,627 Speaker 2: those spots, but obviously, yeah, we're well prepared with we 84 00:04:13,747 --> 00:04:15,227 Speaker 2: will have been able to go there and then d 85 00:04:15,347 --> 00:04:17,987 Speaker 2: make at the back. So yeah, feel fill for Saeve, 86 00:04:18,067 --> 00:04:21,147 Speaker 2: but you know, those things happening and the boys are 87 00:04:21,147 --> 00:04:21,987 Speaker 2: ready the slide. 88 00:04:22,627 --> 00:04:25,867 Speaker 3: Just on Will Jordan. That's forty tries now in forty 89 00:04:25,947 --> 00:04:28,027 Speaker 3: two tests, and he could have had a hat trick 90 00:04:28,107 --> 00:04:31,107 Speaker 3: last night. But for the disallowing of his third try. 91 00:04:31,507 --> 00:04:35,347 Speaker 3: What makes him so effective as a constant try scoring threat. 92 00:04:36,467 --> 00:04:39,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we all see the pace 93 00:04:39,547 --> 00:04:42,587 Speaker 2: he has in the ability to beat defenders and kick 94 00:04:42,627 --> 00:04:44,667 Speaker 2: and regather and all those skills you have. But I 95 00:04:44,707 --> 00:04:47,147 Speaker 2: think a lot of it this is understandable game. You know, 96 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:50,307 Speaker 2: he knows where to be and that's a real, real 97 00:04:50,347 --> 00:04:53,027 Speaker 2: talent that some players don't have. He just knows where 98 00:04:53,027 --> 00:04:54,587 Speaker 2: to be and where the boy's going to be, and 99 00:04:55,267 --> 00:04:57,707 Speaker 2: you know some of the tries and then you know 100 00:04:58,587 --> 00:05:00,387 Speaker 2: the last pass on a couple of tries. I think 101 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,827 Speaker 2: Jordie's passed as well. So yeah, between him and him 102 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:05,787 Speaker 2: and d Mack and body, you know, they're ready in 103 00:05:05,827 --> 00:05:08,867 Speaker 2: the game well and popping up whenever they see opportunities. 104 00:05:08,987 --> 00:05:12,307 Speaker 2: So I think it helps it. You're blustering quick and 105 00:05:12,307 --> 00:05:15,027 Speaker 2: you can finish things. But his ability to his ability 106 00:05:15,027 --> 00:05:16,947 Speaker 2: to see the game really quickly really helped some. 107 00:05:17,307 --> 00:05:20,427 Speaker 3: I believe special player Jase. With a four point lead 108 00:05:20,627 --> 00:05:23,507 Speaker 3: and time running down, how confident were you in the 109 00:05:23,547 --> 00:05:25,787 Speaker 3: defense of resilience of your team to get the job 110 00:05:25,827 --> 00:05:26,427 Speaker 3: done at the end. 111 00:05:27,507 --> 00:05:29,707 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we've put a bit of wet quite a 112 00:05:29,747 --> 00:05:31,627 Speaker 2: bit of time into how we close games out during 113 00:05:31,667 --> 00:05:34,547 Speaker 2: the week, and I think we had a hell of 114 00:05:34,547 --> 00:05:37,427 Speaker 2: a lot of position in that last twenty And obviously 115 00:05:37,427 --> 00:05:39,507 Speaker 2: I would have liked to have scored a few more 116 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,707 Speaker 2: points to make it get outside that one score mark. 117 00:05:41,787 --> 00:05:45,187 Speaker 2: But you know, defensively, the boys are really stuck in 118 00:05:45,267 --> 00:05:47,587 Speaker 2: and you know, there's a bit of grip sharm. Even 119 00:05:47,627 --> 00:05:49,867 Speaker 2: though we were overly happy with the accuracy of a 120 00:05:49,907 --> 00:05:51,347 Speaker 2: lot of things, there was a lot of grip sharm 121 00:05:51,387 --> 00:05:54,187 Speaker 2: to make sure we got the results. So that was 122 00:05:54,227 --> 00:05:56,307 Speaker 2: a positive that last teen and. 123 00:05:56,547 --> 00:05:59,107 Speaker 3: Your assessment of the positional tweaks you made, Rick, are 124 00:05:59,107 --> 00:06:01,987 Speaker 3: you only shifting out to the left wing two provity 125 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:03,307 Speaker 3: into six? 126 00:06:04,587 --> 00:06:09,427 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think with Tups is like he ses 127 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:11,747 Speaker 2: a hell of an athlete. And I think we had 128 00:06:11,787 --> 00:06:14,187 Speaker 2: twenty lineouts last night, and I think it was twenty 129 00:06:14,267 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 2: from twenty, which obviously having a tall line out really 130 00:06:17,547 --> 00:06:20,587 Speaker 2: helps with the options around whether the short lineout so 131 00:06:20,707 --> 00:06:23,107 Speaker 2: or no or not. He really helped in that space 132 00:06:23,187 --> 00:06:26,707 Speaker 2: and will get better and better in that space. And 133 00:06:26,787 --> 00:06:29,187 Speaker 2: you know, I think Rick said to me after shoot off, 134 00:06:29,227 --> 00:06:32,227 Speaker 2: I forgot how much how much you know running there 135 00:06:32,347 --> 00:06:33,707 Speaker 2: was when you play on the wing, you're going from 136 00:06:33,787 --> 00:06:36,587 Speaker 2: side to sides, you're in the backfield, so you both 137 00:06:36,587 --> 00:06:39,947 Speaker 2: of them will get better for the run and and 138 00:06:40,027 --> 00:06:41,907 Speaker 2: be better again this week, so you know, it's good 139 00:06:42,027 --> 00:06:43,987 Speaker 2: looking forward to things continuing in those spaces. 140 00:06:44,307 --> 00:06:47,947 Speaker 3: And for debutantes last night, including duplasy Khalifa, of course 141 00:06:47,987 --> 00:06:50,987 Speaker 3: you worked very closely with during your time at the Hurricanes. 142 00:06:51,187 --> 00:06:53,387 Speaker 3: How pleased were you for him to watch him make 143 00:06:53,427 --> 00:06:54,547 Speaker 3: a Test debut last night? 144 00:06:55,547 --> 00:06:59,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, Like Dups has worked really harder had his 145 00:06:59,387 --> 00:07:01,787 Speaker 2: game and in his understanding of the stuff. In the 146 00:07:01,867 --> 00:07:04,467 Speaker 2: last couple of years he's been he's really grand massively 147 00:07:04,587 --> 00:07:08,667 Speaker 2: around being a smart player. You know, it was always 148 00:07:08,707 --> 00:07:11,107 Speaker 2: unbelievable over the ball, and there's carries and those sorts 149 00:07:11,107 --> 00:07:14,067 Speaker 2: of things. But he's worked really hard at giving away 150 00:07:14,107 --> 00:07:16,347 Speaker 2: penalties and making good decisions around how he plays. And 151 00:07:16,507 --> 00:07:18,107 Speaker 2: so really happy for him and he's in a really 152 00:07:18,147 --> 00:07:20,107 Speaker 2: good spot or he can play some really great footy. 153 00:07:20,627 --> 00:07:21,987 Speaker 2: But all three of the you know, the other three 154 00:07:22,067 --> 00:07:26,787 Speaker 2: boys all outstanding and then that pack you know, so 155 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:32,027 Speaker 2: not only off the bench, but Fades and Christian were 156 00:07:32,907 --> 00:07:35,347 Speaker 2: outstanding the international footy players, which was great. 157 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:38,547 Speaker 3: Just to finish Jast did France bring anything you didn't 158 00:07:38,587 --> 00:07:41,027 Speaker 3: expect them to or did they come as advertised? 159 00:07:42,187 --> 00:07:44,667 Speaker 2: No? No, I so pretty much got what we expected. 160 00:07:44,747 --> 00:07:47,107 Speaker 2: As I said, style of play was not playing in 161 00:07:47,187 --> 00:07:49,187 Speaker 2: their own half, kicking and wanting to live off the 162 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:53,027 Speaker 2: scraps from the kick and then being you know, wanting 163 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:56,467 Speaker 2: to or broken play. They'll explode into things and we 164 00:07:56,507 --> 00:07:59,427 Speaker 2: knew they'd bring the grip they did around the left 165 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:02,507 Speaker 2: from the Kennedy he d so they'll get they'll get 166 00:08:02,547 --> 00:08:05,827 Speaker 2: that will improve as well obviously going forward and you 167 00:08:05,907 --> 00:08:08,307 Speaker 2: know it's sit up for a a big couple of weeks. 168 00:08:08,547 --> 00:08:10,667 Speaker 3: Yep, looking forward to test too and Wellington. Thanks for 169 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:12,827 Speaker 3: your time this afternoon, Jason really appreciate it. We'll see 170 00:08:12,827 --> 00:08:13,747 Speaker 3: you in Wellington. 171 00:08:13,987 --> 00:08:15,707 Speaker 2: Thanks fining, Thank you, Jason. 172 00:08:15,787 --> 00:08:17,707 Speaker 3: Jason Holland, assistant coach of the All Blacks. 173 00:08:18,347 --> 00:08:21,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 174 00:08:21,627 --> 00:08:24,907 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday or follow 175 00:08:24,947 --> 00:08:26,507 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio