WEBVTT - "High-Speed Hongi" 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.760 I'll get out there for rugby league fans around the 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.800 country and indeed around the world, and welcome into the 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.720 Mad Monday podcast again for another Monday. My name is 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.319 Mina Stewart and I am joined down the line from 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.240 a gloomy looking why he by Ben Hurley, Good afternoon, 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:23.439 being hey, getting on mate. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.640 Well, look, let's just say that the weather is kind 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.760 of reflecting my mood. This in ourl season is just 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.040 a gloomy day with patches of drizzle. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:35.639 It is, it is. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.760 It's I think that game kind of summed up our 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.000 whole season, didn't it. We lost to the Dolphins thirty 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.120 to thirty two and golden point, and it was just 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.080 it just summed up like an okay start patches where 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.840 we completely fell off some really heartbreaking one hundred meters 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.120 breakaway tries. Then we come right back into it only 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:56.960 to get beaten not just by a drop goal, but 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.920 by a two point field goal, which I think was quite. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.280 Poet in the way that we lost. That wasn't it. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.400 Yeah, we've never scored a two point field goal, right, 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.720 I can't remember one in the Warrior's history. I mean, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.600 we barely scored a field goal. It's just not something 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.720 we do well. And you know, as exciting as it 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.680 is going to Golden Point, you know, my heart just 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.319 sinks because it's just not something we're good at. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.520 No, and I think, Oh, somebody mentioned on one of 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.160 the Reddit threads that I was trawling this morning looking 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.440 for some sort of glimmer of hope, and they've done 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.800 the numbers on if we had have made all of 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.000 our kicks where we'd be sitting, we'd actually be inside 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:38.960 the top eight. There's so many of these games where 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.319 it's like, yeah, we lost a couple of kicks here, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.160 we don't really have a kicking option. In defense of that, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.800 they would say, because someone came up to me this 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.200 morning and said, how come we don't have a kicker? 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.360 It's like we do. We've got four of them. This 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.440 is just the fourth one, you know what I mean? 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 It shouldn't actually be on his shoulders. Is it as 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.800 simple as we missed all our kicks? 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.800 No? Oh, I've got something to say about Shane Harris 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.320 Devita and I professed this in our thread last night. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.040 I think he's a great player. I'm just not sure 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.720 he's a half. I'm not sure he has those little 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.720 you know, a little skill that you know, those little skills, 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.520 kicking skills, and he does make the odd mistake. I 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.519 would like to see him put on ten kgs and 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.919 move into the thirteen role. I think he's really good 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:36.320 on defense. He's a brilliant reader of the game. And 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.040 you know, why not have a ball playing possibly kicking 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.440 number thirteen in the in the style of like a 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:43.120 Brad Fittler. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.880 Yeah, I don't mind it. I do know he is 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.080 actually quite a lot smaller than you'd think he'd be. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.520 I remember when he first started. This was a few 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.520 years ago now. I interviewed him and this was when 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.639 he'd just broken into the squad and I said, what's 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.520 your because we actually had I think snacker chingy chips 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.400 in the studio and I was offering them around, like 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:02.600 you guys are allowed to eat these or what? And 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.200 he goes, yeah, I'm allowed to eat anything I want. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.600 The coaches want me to put on as much muscle, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.119 as much weight as I possibly can, So yeah, I'm 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.800 with you. I reckon just go healthily the this summer, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.200 tuck in Christmas time, go nuts and then and then 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.400 come back with a bit of bulk. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:19.720 I agree with. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.480 Yeah, I think if Metcalf can come back next year 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.320 the and I'd love to mind him. Martin in the 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.840 in the halves. I just think he's he's so good 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.600 and he was one of our best players the other day. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.600 But he can't do everything. He's so solid. So him 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.880 and Metcalf and the halves and and SNeW Harris Tavita, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.880 you know, potentially replacing like a Jazz and Dila Walker. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.320 You know, we are going to be short of a 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:52.400 ball playing back rower next year unless we signed someone, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.520 you know, then yeah, that's it's it's not a it's 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.760 not a win all it's not a cure all. Rather, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.080 but it's a possibility. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.080 It's not the panacet for me though, despite the fact 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.920 that we lost that and yeah, reflecting on the fact 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.640 that it was a loss, it's heartbreaking, etcetera, etcetera. I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.640 actually really enjoyed that game, particularly the last twenty minutes. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.120 There was a turning point. The first sixty was like 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.279 fucking hell, here we go again. Then the last twenty 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.120 and I actually had to jot it down just so 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.479 that I could remember the sequence of events that turned 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.560 it around for us. It was Ali Leadsawa makes a break. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.760 He goes the length of the field and then a 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.200 tackle later or two tackles later, he crosses the line 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.280 and fumbles the ball cold. At that point, Id Cossey, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.000 who's running through celebrating what was a botch to try, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.600 gives him the flying People's knee from hell to the 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.479 side of the head. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:45.360 Knocked them. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.279 Stone Gould the only dude who showed up with his 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.960 boots laser that on Sunday. He got knocked out, Hia, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.080 he's gone. He'll be gone next week because it didn't 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.760 come back. On a couple of plays later, we then 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.679 do score to Maty Martin and tom Ally they bonk 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.200 Hids and all of a sudden and there's four concussions 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.680 out on the field, And that is what turned at 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:08.520 least around the commentary. We were just saying, everybody out there, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.520 high speed hongies for the Warriors, get them behind your team. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.120 Hit but whoever you're watching the game with texts coming in, 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.200 I've head butted the dog, I've head butted my nan, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.880 I've heit buttered the mirror. They've all been sent for Hias. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.240 And I think that turned the game around, at least 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.479 just for the commentary, but it felt like for the 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.200 Warriors too. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.880 I mean, potentially it's good that we're having a terrible season. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.640 Otherwise there could have been more injuries. You know, more tries, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.679 more celebrations equals more injuries. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:33.400 Yeah. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.960 I was just thinking, God, if we win this, we 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.719 have to fully lean into high speed Hongies for the Warriors. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:40.719 It's the only way around. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.520 I went over and hit buttered Chris and the commentary 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.080 just to get a bit of money going. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.440 I mean, you know, a Hongy from Chris is quite 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.159 a heavy duty thing anyway, with his Schnods. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:56.480 Area code hongies going around at the ground. Yeah, it 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.520 was o Sullivan and Ice that Ccht had a couple 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.320 of cracks at it. He shanked both of them, but 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.279 I think they're under a fair bit of pressure. Would 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.200 you have liked to see Tomighty have a shot at 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:08.360 one of those drop goals? 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.479 Yeah, I don't know. Is it part of his skal seen? 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.120 I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure he can drop kick 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.080 a ball. But it's funny how they tend to have 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.320 specialists for these sorts of things, don't they. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.279 Yeah, because when and he missed it, but Jemina Sako 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.080 had a crack from it, felt like halfway and when 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.000 it got to the post it was still going up. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.839 It was mammoth shot, but he missed it, thankfully. But 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.720 in the end it didn't matter. I think the other 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.719 one I dug out a bit of a statistic here 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.760 for you. Webe only used six interchanges on the weekend. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:42.760 Now you're allowed ten. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.520 And I think this is that would shock anyone who 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.960 hadn't watched the Warriors this season, But anyone that has, 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.920 you know that he, I mean, did last even Come on, I. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.400 Don't think he did. Played zero minutes, played zero minutes. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.240 So on top of the fact that we're already struggling 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.520 as a squad, it doesn't it feel like we're playing 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.880 with one hand tied behind our backs when he's not 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:03.920 putting these guys on. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.760 Yeah, it's weird with Lasso, isn't he Because he really 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:12.720 is only can only really play one position. That's that's 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.280 why I think we are going to miss Jazz next year, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.640 because and Dylan Walker, because there's such great utilities, you know, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:24.720 and and Jazz can play hooker as well. You know. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.000 There's been a lot of criticism about Webbe's use of 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.760 the bench all year, and no one has a solution. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.560 No one gets the theory here. What is what is 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:43.120 the tactic? You know, we're a team which is traditionally 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.560 not necessarily the fittest team, and I'm not sure that 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.600 we're getting any fit of this year, so why not 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.440 make use of the resources? 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.000 Is it a trust issue? 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.880 Because you know, I've been fielding texts from my dad 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.960 this whole season being like he's been so pigheated. When 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:01.679 is he going to when's he going to finally switch 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.400 out years back? When's he going to make use of 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.800 the interchanges? Is it just that he has a group 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.520 of players that he trusts and he doesn't want to 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:09.800 stray away from that. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:15.760 Yeah, that's important, that trust thing. And you know, players 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.400 feeling comfortable in their roles and all that. You know, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.680 they don't call them we're blesso for no reason. You know, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:29.600 he's definitely a holistic coach if you like. So. Yeah, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.880 that's the only reason I can see is that he 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.360 wants people to feel comfortable in their roles and and 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.439 not feel like they're under scrutiny every single minute of 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.000 every game. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.240 Yeah, do you think Sean Johnson would have made a 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:44.160 difference to that game? 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:47.800 Not this year? 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.720 Even just the drop goal. You know he's got absolutely yeah. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.400 I mean, of all the players we've got, he's a 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.840 guy who can ice games. Yeah yeah, absolutely, no good 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.720 call on that one. But Tomty's just done such a 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:08.120 great job in that seven jersey for well, they played 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.680 in the eighteen jersey. Yeah, yes, but yeah, he's just 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.320 something done so and for some reason he won't play 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:16.600 them together anymore. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.400 Yeah, this there just seems to be like a I 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.800 think he's just finally admitted they don't click together. And 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.599 then but that's brutal because you know, tomoighty's going to 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:31.200 be our half back presumably next year, so I don't know, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.560 benching him, how does that go for you next year? 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.520 Is there just an aesthetic clash in that Shawn Johnson's 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.520 always been the handsomest guy at the club, and now 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:45.000 there's a new handsomer potentially, I'm not saying necessarily, you know, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.680 it's down to individual tastes, but definitely a you know, 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.640 pretender for the crown of handsomest. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.680 I think I think you've put the phit the nail 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.720 on the head there, Ben, I think that's exactly what 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.560 it is. There's a there's a problem there with you know, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.920 we talk about overlapping skill sets. You've got two beautiful, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.160 beautiful men and Seawan Johnson's walked out unto the field. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.559 Just go fucking hold on, I hang on, here's how 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:11.319 this works, mate. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.960 It's too much sexy, too much sexy on the field. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:15.280 That's right. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.240 And I think if anyone's proven that this year, it's 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.320 the Broncos. You know, they've got too many hot thirds 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.439 all across the park and look how that's turned out 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.760 for them. So yeah, you're right, maybe a few more 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.280 I goes in the team next year could be the guy. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.800 Yeah, just to you know, just to add to my 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.320 gloomy mood about this. In ourl season, my other team 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.640 lost the Broncos in the weekend, So I'm really not 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.600 I'm just really not feeling this season. I'm kind of 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:41.400 wishing it's over. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:41.960 Yeah. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.560 Well, I mean mathematically, they asked web after the game, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.440 how do you feel? You know, what's the plan for 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.320 the rest of the season, and he goes, well, the 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.000 highest we can finish is on twenty nine points, and 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:53.760 we don't know how the other teams are going to go, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.160 so that could potentially get us in the top eight. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.760 So we're just going to fire a shot over the 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.199 next three or four weeks, whatever it is. I don't 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.480 think he actually believes that. But but if the Warriors 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.800 are out, who is your second team? 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.000 It's usually the Cow, isn't it? 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.920 Yeah, Cow, it's the Cow's lost to the Broncos. The 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.400 Broncos have lost about four in a row and then 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.240 suddenly turned it around against my team in the weekend. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.720 So I'm just I just didn't have a great weekend 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.160 on on the NRL. I must have met. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.920 Yeah, we're all focusing on the Olympics. I think for me, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.480 I'm going to jump on the bull Dogs. They're going 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.400 to be my second team this year. I think they've 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.240 found something in these last couple of weeks and they're 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.360 just firing shots, I would say, and I actually said 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.120 this on the commentary. When we started that game, it 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:38.920 looked like we were going to have a crack, and 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.840 we did throughout the game, but it was a bit messy, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.440 But like I felt like we were shifting early. Do 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:44.719 you think we'll said a bit more of that? Do 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.680 you reckon now that you know it's kind of out 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.719 of reach? Do you think we're just fire a few 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:50.679 shots and have a crack. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.200 That's what it did seem like at the start of 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:58.840 their game. And then Hurley Hancock's really fun with grabs 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.439 the ball and runs one hundred me doesn't. Now I 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:01.839 think we've got shell shocked after that. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:03.839 Yeah, big time. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:08.160 We've got gun sho Ray gunshow after Yeah, it was 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.480 just a brutal, brutal knocked back from chance. So then 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.680 our fullback's not there. Hummu fun with goes the whole length. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:15.920 Of the field. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.240 I don't know, how do you think, So, presuming Sean's 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.760 back for the rest of the season, do you think 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.920 there'll be an element of the farewell tour of Sean 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.839 Johnson that will help us? 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.079 Yeah, I mean you'd hope. Have we got two more 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.319 home games, so it was one of the dogs, that's it. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:36.760 That's it. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:42.319 So I mean, assuming you'll play that game at least 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.080 And yeah, I don't even know what's wrong with him. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.880 If I'm honest, they said it was a quad issue. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.320 Now I wonder if he it must have happened between 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.960 when he announced his retirement, because surely you don't announce 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.959 your retirement if you know you're not playing that week. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.520 Yeah, it must look I don't know. I hope he's 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:01.439 back for those games anyway. 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.199 Yeah, Like I said, the last game is the twenty 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.720 third of August against the Bulldogs that has sold out 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.559 four and twenty four pack price pack is one of 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.240 the only ways you can now get this a segue. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.120 By the way, Ben, each one the Mad Monday. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.319 Team again, thank you you're broadcaster. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.520 Four tickets the Warriors and four and twenty five ouches. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:21.280 He did. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.560 Just text the monthly keyword to three two three six. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.719 Listen to podcast apps like this one to find out 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.080 the new keyword. And this month it is game. So 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.360 game to three two three six your last chance to 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.840 get tickets to Sean Johnson's farewell game. We're going to 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.520 take a quick break and we'll come back with the 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.600 Stonker off the Round. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.199 All right, now, it is time for the Stalker off 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:41.880 the Round. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.520 And it was Friday Night's fixture between the Eels and 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.000 the Panthers. In the end it was thirty six to 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.160 thirty four. But this was one of the wildest games 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.560 of the season. I think, Ben, where did you watch 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:55.120 this one? 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.600 I was just watching this at home and just a marvelous, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.200 marvel game, amazing comeback from a champion side. I actually 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.480 wanted to talk about about the Panthers and how good 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:13.240 they are. They are so good that when they win, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.760 when they win the whole competition, whoever they play in 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.480 the Grand Final next year is so demoralized generally has 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.240 a shitter of a year the next year. So in 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.200 twenty twenty one, sorry, in twenty twenty they played the 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.960 Sorry in twenty two one and I was right, they 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.120 played the rabbit Os and beat them in the Grand Final. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.800 The next year, the Rabbits was seventh, The following year 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.000 they played the Eels in the Grand Final, and then 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.560 the following year after the Eels were tenth. Last year 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.040 they played the Broncos beat the Broncos in the final. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.840 The Broncos are currently thirteenth, So they not only beat them, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.320 they demoralized them. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.960 Yeah, this team, they ripped the beating hard on them. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.000 The Rabbits and the Eels second last and third last 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.360 respectively this year. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.720 So yeah, it's a continual slide. Why don't you lose 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.680 to the Panthers in the Grand Final. You're poked for 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:10.520 like three years. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.360 Yeah, it's not like you just have a shit of 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.560 the next season. No, no, no, no. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.960 The Spirals at Rotts and that's why we did well 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.480 to avoid the Grand Final last year. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.760 I think, yeah, there was a tepic moves. It served 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:22.200 us well. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.680 The highlight of this game for me, This game actually bloom. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.480 I was watching this round in the mate's place and 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.240 I got ober home a halfway through the second half. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.600 I was like, Panthers are going to ice this one. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.120 I got home to catch the end of it. I 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.920 was just like, oh my god, what is going on? 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.360 The most insane captain's challenge that you will see in 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.400 a game of rugby legus. It was off the kickoff, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:49.040 the Eels kick it off, the Panthers knocked it on 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.120 and what I thought was one of the clearest knock 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.320 ons that you will see. And I wonder if it 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.040 was just because it was the last two minutes. I like, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.480 fuck it, stop the game. We'll just challenge it because 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.400 we've got it up our sleep. They challenged it only 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.960 was a correct call. Yeah, it was a stone cold 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.280 knock on off the Panthers. They then found that Cleary 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.440 had shepherded one of the players and so that gave 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.720 the Eels the chance at winning the game or tying 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.800 the game, right which they blew, which they then blew. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.280 And this is not the first time that Gutho has 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.480 done that this season, is it. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:29.200 No? I'm look, Garthuson's a great player, but Nathan Cleary 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.560 is a champion and that's the difference, isn't it. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.360 Like Yeah, yeah, just that whole Panthers team. I don't know. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.280 They keep losing players they keep every year. I guess 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.880 salary cap or you know, just because you win the 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.000 competition and you're worth more. You know, they'll lose two 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.960 or three key players and then then they're back again. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.560 I mean, you can't see them missing the Grand Final 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.640 this year. I think it'll be it. I think everyone 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.480 assumes it's going to be a Storm Panthers final. Yeah yeah, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.480 and that'd be five Grand Finals in a row. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.120 Yeah, And I got to be honest, I think four 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.480 championships in a row as well. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.560 Well, yeah, that's what's on the line. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.080 I was thinking that this game was a little closer 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.240 than it needed to be, and the only note that 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.479 I wrote down in this game was that if this 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.280 was a playoffs game or a finals game, I feel 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.160 like the Panthers would have actually taken this one away. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:23.800 I don't think they would have let it get as 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.959 close as it was. I don't really understand why, but 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.399 it just seemed like, fresh off beating us the Eels, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.440 they really found something there and then really pushed. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.320 They're the bogy team of Penrith, aren't they? They seem 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:44.639 to have It's the West Sydney rivalry situation. They seemed 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.000 to rise to the occasion versus Penrith except in a 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:49.920 Grand Final. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.160 Except obviously in a Grand Final and then subsequently every 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.439 game since then. I idea, if if it was a 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.080 finals game, I really think that the Panthers would have 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:04.280 hunt them one. Nathan Clary just another master class. He's 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.159 by far the best player in regular league right now, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:06.439 isn't here? 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.439 Yeah? How did you look? It's just a little bit 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.160 of supercoach too, because I had him at the start 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.159 of the season. Then he got injured, but I managed 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.520 to keep him, and then he came back and I 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.840 was like, I'm feeling pretty good because I still had him, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.639 put him back in and he was terrible for like 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.359 two or three games, and so then I sell him, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.760 thinking because then he gets injured again. Then I sell 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.040 him and I think, oh, this is fine. You know, 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.560 he's not going to be the player this season that 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.320 he usually is, and then you how did you all 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:39.439 know to buy him again? 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:40.840 I just all know. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.480 I just think I think it's one of those ones 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.440 where it's like, if you're going to be wrong, how 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.840 do you want to be wrong? And you want to 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.840 be wrong by picking Nathan Cleary and he has a 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.480 shit it because I think that's you know, less likely 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.520 than picking Nathan Cleary, and he goes, well, that's my 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:56.760 whole thing was just fuck it. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.040 You have to have Nathan Cleary. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.880 And I don't want to lose because the other guy did, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.040 because then I'll be like, oh, obviously. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.439 You have to have Nathan Cleary. He's the best player. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.080 But you must have sold him the first time when 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:06.719 he got injured. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.240 I brought him back here. Yeah, I couldn't have played 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.359 it any worse. I sold him, then mortgaged my team 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.040