1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Finally we have an outcome with the secondary school teachers. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: They've settle on in a pay agreement with the government 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: that we'll see teachers get four point six percent over 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: two years. Remember the government started with one percent a year. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Pip Tinning is deputy principal at a secondary school in 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the Bay of Plenty, joins us this morning. Pip, good 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: morning morning. Did you vote know last time? And then 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: yes this time? Oh? 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: Yes, that's actually threat. Yeah it was right on the nose, 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: wasn't it. 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Yes? 12 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad, Actually, And. 13 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: What's changed for you? Or is it the vibes that 14 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: have changed? And a time to move on that sort 15 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of thing. 16 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: I think what actually swayed me was I didn't think 17 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: anything more attractive was going to come with any other offer. 18 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: I thought that was as good as it was going 19 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: to get. And I just really believe that it's just 20 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: one of those things where yeah, I just needed to 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: vote yes just to get things shifting. We've got a 22 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: lot of stuff coming up, and yeah, it was just 23 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: it just felt. 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Right time to move on, did the union, Because I've 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: had teachers texting this morning and messaging me saying that 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: the union didn't recommend Normally they will say recommend don't 27 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: vote for this offer, or do vote for this offer, 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: And this time it was a neutral offer. Do you 29 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: think that makes a difference for people. 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: I think it allows people to make their own minds up. 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: I think if you've got the union telling you no, 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: then you know full well that actually it is a 33 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: poor offer. And if they're telling you yes, then yeah, 34 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 2: it definitely has a sway. I think this time people 35 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: were really pragmatic around their vote. 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Do you, if you're being honest, Pip does sometimes does 37 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: the union negativity all you? 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: No? 39 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Okay? Do you think the public is angry at teachers 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: about results? Well, not teachers, but they're angry upset about 41 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: the results that we've been seeing slipping. 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: I think teachers are doing a fantastic job. I think 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: the rhetoric around what teachers do or don't do is 44 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: really damaging. It's been increasing. I've noticed it's been really 45 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: increasing in the media, attacks on teachers, attacks on principles 46 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: in our schools, and that's really concerning. We work really hard, 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: We work really hard for your kids. We love teaching. 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: You know. We don't get into this because it's like 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: there's nothing else to do. We get into this because 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: it's a deliberate choice, so you know where it's Yeah. 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: But can you understand why people get frustrated with the results, 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the fact that they have been going backwards. 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: They've been going backwards globally. It's not just New Zealand, 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: it's a global slip. So potentially we all need to 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: be looking at what's happening within our education sector and 56 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: what's happening for our young people. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: All right, but appreciate your time this morning. Thank you, 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: Pip Tinnick. 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for more from early edition with Ryan Bridge. 60 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks have been from five am weekdays. 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.