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Speaker 1: So let's head to the job market. Whereas it turns out,

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Speaker 1: if you're an air traffic controller, you're in hot global

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Speaker 1: Demandy Ways and New Zealand warning controllers are being lured

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Speaker 1: offshore because of a global shortage. James Evans GM at

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Speaker 1: Commercial Anyways, New Zealand and as with us, James, morning

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Speaker 1: to you morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: How are you well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? As we sit here this morning, Are we

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Speaker 1: sure we tight? Are we fine?

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Speaker 2: We're not currently short, Mike, We're right on the numbers.

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Speaker 2: We have a requirement for three hundred and thirty three

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Speaker 2: operational controllers and we're sitting about four below that. But

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Speaker 2: we've got another forty in the system who are either

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Speaker 2: currently training or on sick or maternity to leaving the likes.

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Speaker 2: So we're very well positioned to cope with this issue.

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Speaker 1: So is this even a story or not? Are we fine?

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Speaker 1: And so we're fine, We're fine, aren't we?

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Speaker 2: Look I think it's a great story, Mike. This is

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Speaker 2: definitely a problem globally, and we are having overseas ANSPs

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Speaker 2: approaching our controllers and they are going to some overseas locations.

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Speaker 2: It's historically been the case. The big concern for US

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Speaker 2: has been that globally that significant shortage, so we're expecting

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Speaker 2: this to increase. So what we've done is we've put

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Speaker 2: more people into the system. During COVID, a lot of

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Speaker 2: overseas amsps they actually reduced their staffing levels. We put

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Speaker 2: ours up to protect against this very likelihood.

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Speaker 1: What's the global shortage about? Is it a boring job

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Speaker 1: or too stressful or what?

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Speaker 2: Gee, that's a good question. I think what has been

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Speaker 2: is it's been quite cyclical the recruitment of echoes and globally,

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Speaker 2: if we look at places like the FAA, they're a

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Speaker 2: real market indicator for us. They are going towards a

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Speaker 2: massive retirement bubble and we're experiencing that. Australia's experiencing that

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Speaker 2: most of a NSPS. So what's happening if these people

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Speaker 2: are leaving and we're trying to fill that gap?

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Speaker 1: Now, what would I be leaving for? Lifestyle or money?

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Speaker 1: Is the money material or not?

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Speaker 2: Really? Well, ironically, Mike, I was posting myself in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine in their traffic controller here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: got a phone call from Dubai and went over there

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Speaker 2: and for me at the time is a thirty nine

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Speaker 2: year old. It was money and it was the experience,

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Speaker 2: the ability to travel. So I took the opportunity ended

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Speaker 2: up doing ten years overseas.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but you came home, didn't James. Ah, And

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Speaker 1: we all come back home, don't they.

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Speaker 2: They all come back home, that's the great thing about it.

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Speaker 2: But come back home with experience which we then plug

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Speaker 2: into the local system, which is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Would you recommend to buy I struggle with My brother

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Speaker 1: lived in Dubai for a while, but I mean fifty

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Speaker 1: degrees in summer? Who needs that?

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Speaker 2: Well? You go skiing, Mike, I would. It's different now

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Speaker 2: than it was back in O nine. I must say

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Speaker 2: it doesn't appeal to me either as a man in

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Speaker 2: my fifties as opposed to a man in my thirties.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, look, I don't discourage people who want to

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Speaker 2: go and try new experiences. And the good thing with

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Speaker 2: air traffic control is a qualification that allows our people

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Speaker 2: to do that as long as they come back.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the great thing about qualifications, isn't it. James.

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you. James Evans, who's the gm

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Speaker 1: AT of commercial at Earways New Zealand.

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