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Speaker 1: Now, as I said at the start of nineteen past five.

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Speaker 1: By the way, as I said at the start of

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Speaker 1: the program, Pope Leo the fourteenth is already getting a

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Speaker 1: few headlines for his criticism of the Trump administration's immigration policy.

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Speaker 1: Now the Catholic Bishop of Auckland, Steve Lowe, is with us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Steve, good evening, Heather. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you, very pleased we've got to

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Speaker 1: a pope this early in the business. Were you surprised

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Speaker 1: by this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. The New Zealand bishops were meeting in

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Speaker 2: Palmerston North this week and we were speculating how long

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Speaker 2: it had taken. And I was one of the ones

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Speaker 2: that said, I don't think it's going to be anytime fast.

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Speaker 3: And were you placing bets?

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Speaker 2: No, we weren't placing bets. No one was willing to

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Speaker 2: predict her it was going to be. It was more

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Speaker 2: about when was the announcement going to be.

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Speaker 1: But Steve, if you were going to place bets and

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Speaker 1: predict her it was going to be, nobody would have

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Speaker 1: predicted Bob from America, would we.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, it's some some did. I was just

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Speaker 2: talking to my sister a little while ago, and she said, oh,

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Speaker 2: his name has been out there right from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: But he's a cardinal that we haven't had much contact

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Speaker 2: with in New Zealand. That he was the prefect of

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Speaker 2: the dicastri for bishops, but they don't oversee the church

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, so it's we're under a different dicastry.

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Speaker 2: So he's a bit of a he's a bit of

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Speaker 2: a mystery man for us.

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Speaker 3: Right, how do you feel about him weighing into politics?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I don't know if he's weighing into

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Speaker 2: politics so much is that, you know, though, you know,

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Speaker 2: as the leader of the Catholic Church, he's got to

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Speaker 2: uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ and sometimes that might

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Speaker 2: come into conflict with some political leaders around the world.

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Speaker 3: And do you see his election as a vindication of

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Speaker 3: Francis because the church hasn't lurched radically to the other side.

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Speaker 2: I think I think, just going on the words he

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Speaker 2: said this morning and that the tone also his background,

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Speaker 2: that it is a sign that the cardinals were looking

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Speaker 2: for a pope who would continue in the direction of

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Speaker 2: Pope Francis. He's going to be different. He's going to

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Speaker 2: bring his own gifts and talents, and he brings his

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Speaker 2: own experience, so it will be different. But I think

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Speaker 2: basically that direction of a church that engages with society.

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Speaker 2: You know, he talked about encounter and dialogue and that

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Speaker 2: synodal journeying together has been key components, but also seeking

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Speaker 2: a path of peace and unity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant s.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Steve really appreciated Bishop Steve Low,

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Speaker 1: who is the Bishop of Auckland. For more from Heather

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