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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: I am Paula Bennett and welcome to my new Zealand

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Speaker 2: Herald podcast Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: One thing I've learnt in life is it's never too

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Speaker 2: late to learn something new. So on this podcast, I

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Speaker 2: talk to people from all walks of life to hear

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Speaker 2: how they got to where they are and get some

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Speaker 2: advice and guidance on some of life's biggest questions. Today,

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Speaker 2: on the podcast, we are going Rural Rural. I like

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Speaker 2: to say my guest is former current affairs reporter and

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Speaker 2: TV host turned farmer Matt Chisholm and man as he

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Speaker 2: can have some advice and guidance on some of life's

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Speaker 2: biggest questions. Matt has left Auckland behind and now breeds

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Speaker 2: sheep and cattle on twenty nine hectares just outside of

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Speaker 2: Alexandra Beautiful. Matt has sheared his story in his new book,

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Speaker 2: The Road to Chatto Creek, leaving the rat race for

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Speaker 2: life in the country.

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Speaker 3: He joins me now from the.

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Speaker 2: Farm, I'm Matt, how are you bloody marvelous?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing well?

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Speaker 1: Should? I think I might be bloody marvelous as well? Actually,

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Speaker 1: and I don't often answer that question that way all

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Speaker 1: the better for speaking to you today.

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Speaker 2: My mother would have bet it in some really nice

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Speaker 2: sarcasm to me, saying that, oh, yes, you're marvelous, aren't

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Speaker 2: you marvelous?

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: To are sam quick fire questions? If you could go

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Speaker 2: out for dinner or drink with any celebrity, who would

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Speaker 2: it be?

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Speaker 1: Will Ferrel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Although, do you worry about comedians that they're so funny

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Speaker 2: on screen that then they just kind of aren't as

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Speaker 2: funny if you meet them in real life?

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, but I've met Will interview him once and

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Speaker 1: he is really funny, and I don't think we can

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Speaker 1: have enough laughter. It's really good medicine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's very good. So what about the

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Speaker 2: drink of choice? Because you've been sober how many years now?

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Speaker 1: Thirteen years, thirtey and a half years, So what would.

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Speaker 3: So what would you drink a choice be?

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Speaker 1: Then, well, it'd be kids drink of some description? Do

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Speaker 1: you just black coke?

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Speaker 3: Do you do the Zero Bears?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I do do the Zero Bears, And I used

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Speaker 1: to always drink the same one, and I've recently discovered

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Speaker 1: it's ratchet. So there's a few crafty ones out nowadays.

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Speaker 1: Which are quite nice. Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 3: Ah, it's really good.

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Speaker 1: Real good, real good. You know, times have changed them,

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Speaker 1: they have.

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Speaker 3: You got a favorite bar or parble restaurant anywhere in the.

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Speaker 1: World, Well, just two k away from me, I can

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Speaker 1: almost see it is the Chadow Creek Hotel. It's historic,

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Speaker 1: it's one hundred and something years old, it's got the

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Speaker 1: old schist walls, and it's just a really cool little

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Speaker 1: community hubs. About thirty five people live where we are

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Speaker 1: Chadow Creek and would be lost without that pub, even

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Speaker 1: though I'm a teetotler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, but it's a good place to meet and

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Speaker 2: greet and talk and catch up, right, and get a feed.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I get a feed. We have the soccer

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Speaker 1: breakup and the rugby breakups there and we meet people

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Speaker 1: there all the time. Yeah. No, it's cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to chat about your big move in

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Speaker 2: the second segment of the podcast, but first out, I

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Speaker 2: want to focus on you really and talk a bit

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Speaker 2: more about you. It's fascinating how open you've been about

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Speaker 2: some of the mental health battles, and I just really

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Speaker 2: admire you for it.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, you talk about it quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how are you now? How are you? How

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Speaker 3: are you today?

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Speaker 1: Well, bloody, marvelous, just the same as you today. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I've had gone for a really good patch,

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Speaker 1: probably got a good bit of balance. But maybe ten

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Speaker 1: months ago I was sort of under the pump again,

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Speaker 1: and there was the lamming and putting in the new

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Speaker 1: producing directing a TV show, Nadia's Farm and Now with

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Speaker 1: health advocate. But I used to make a living and

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Speaker 1: asking people to be honest about their story. And I

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Speaker 1: not as big as platform as you might have, Paula,

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Speaker 1: I should probably use it for good as opposed to

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Speaker 1: sell Louis Vaton handbags or some shit like that.

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Speaker 2: Can you see the signs of when you know that

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Speaker 2: you need to take time out or look after yourself differently?

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Speaker 3: Can you identify that earlier rather YEA, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, hundred percent. Like I think life is easier the

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Speaker 1: stuff is a whole lot better now, which is good.

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Speaker 1: And I I was at my memory a Field days

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Speaker 1: amazing opportunity. And I was like, one hundred percent. I'm

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Speaker 1: fully that's how I'm seeing it now, because I've slipped

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Speaker 1: do see it as an opportunity. Now. It's just an

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Speaker 2: don't know how to react right when someone says, actually,

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Speaker 3: We go, oh, my goodness, here for you.

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Speaker 1: And like that. I probably would have set it and

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Speaker 1: and I just thought it was a cool little moment.

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Speaker 3: And they're looking after yourself.

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Speaker 2: But you know, because I think, you know, I know,

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Speaker 3: I'd generally be hospitalized every couple of years.

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Speaker 3: And then I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: of course, as you say, we get older, we get wiser.

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Speaker 2: I learned to block things out in my diary of

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Speaker 3: So I just knew that, I you know, you just got.

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Speaker 2: Have like loved it, because I'd get pneumonia, I get,

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Speaker 2: I was in hospital. But I was in hospital with pneumonia,

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Speaker 2: which is true, I was, But how did I let

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Speaker 2: And it was because I wasn't looking after myself well enough.

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Speaker 2: But I suppose the message out there is is that

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Speaker 3: Even ys tod I was I call it full up.

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Speaker 1: I was full up.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm full up, but I'm at the top

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Speaker 2: know I can look forward to them. I'm already thinking

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Speaker 2: about the books I'll read, you know, like, I'm just yeah,

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Speaker 1: And good on you for sharing that. That's that's really

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Speaker 2: So you sharing, what's the reaction been like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like and particularly from you, because our rural farmers are

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Speaker 1: And absolutely, well you touched on you know, some people

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Speaker 1: all good communicators, right, We're all different, whatever strengths and weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: But so I was probably pretty honest about four and

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Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be. And I said

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Speaker 1: that I gave said, well, you haven't had that because

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't see myself as that, mate.

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Speaker 1: He goes, you know what I do? And he said,

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Speaker 1: because my dad killed himself, and so you're stopping helping

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Speaker 1: helping that is not stopping, but helping stop people from

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Speaker 1: doing that. So you know, like there's been a bit

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Speaker 1: of a shift, hasn't there around And I think people

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Speaker 1: But people like John Kerwin, you know, one of the

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Speaker 2: Life's not over yet. You just never know what. You

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Speaker 1: I don't miss that. How did I prepare for it? Well,

439
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 1: we bought a block of land. We bought a block

440
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: of land in twenty fifteen, about five years before we

441
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 1: came down here, and then about three years later we

442
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: bought the block of land beside it. I think Alan

443
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: might have She's good on the preparing. She's much better

444
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: at the preparing than I am. So she might have

445
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: booked the kids into daycare for a couple of days.

446
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: And you know, we think we organized a rental and

447
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: I didn't do too much around talking to people about work.

448
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of winging it, but

449
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: we had a plan like this has always been my

450
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: dream to live on fifty acres. We've got seventy two

451
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: at the moment, will probably end up with about fifty.

452
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: But I know, I don't know if I did that

453
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 1: much preparing. I angst over the decision, but preparation.

454
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: How's how the locals taken The Big City TV guy,

455
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 2: you know, wandering and you know, emotionally attached to his

456
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: animals for crying out loud.

457
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: That's a great question. How the locals. Well, I knew

458
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: a few of them, as I said, We've been holidaying

459
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: down here, and I'd played footy with them and went

460
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: to school and university with some of them, and so

461
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: I was quite connected to them. But one of the

462
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: nicest comments I overget is, you know, and I'm a boots.

463
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm a boot and boots and all sort of a guy.

464
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm all in. So, you know, I go to the show,

465
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: and I take my sheep to the show, and I'm

466
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: on the microphone, and I coach the kids rugby, and

467
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: I coach the kids soccer, and I talk at the

468
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: fundraisers and MC though. So you know, I like to

469
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: give a lot to my community, and that's one of

470
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: the reasons why we came here is for that community

471
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: and that connection. But one of the nicest things people

472
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: say to me is actually, outside of all that t

473
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: the TV shit, yeah you're actually a good buddy, and

474
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: so I love that. You know. One of the things

475
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do when I came down here

476
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: is overplay my hand and be that flash hairy upland

477
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: wanker from the Telly who come down here and tried

478
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: to own the show. So I picked my moments when

479
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 1: I talk, and you know, I've got to be careful

480
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: that I just I'm one of them and not.

481
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: Take do you take advice because you know, like it's

482
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: a lot at caring for animals.

483
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: What I do is I just do what I want

484
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: to do anyway, and it's not normally based on economics.

485
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: It's usually based on aesthetics and what I like the

486
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: look of, you know, in terms of breeds and things

487
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, there's plenty people who want to

488
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: give me advice and I appreciate it, but and sometimes

489
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: I follow it, but most of the time I just

490
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: do it.

491
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: Hey, I worry about the rural urban divide, and I think,

492
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, I've been and I've been worried about it

493
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: for decades, to be really honest with you at the

494
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: back of my mind, because you know, my family of

495
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: farmers and I just and then I moved to Auckland,

496
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 2: and I just think there's such a disconnect and understanding

497
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: what happens on the land and understanding that we can't

498
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: live our lifestyle, you know, if we do want to

499
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: have the wink of Auckland life, you know, we can't

500
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: have that without, you know, our country being productive without

501
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, I sort of say it lightly, but I

502
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: don't mean it lightly met, but I just go, you know,

503
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: thank you for the milk for my last a, thank

504
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: you for the leather for my shoes, thank you for

505
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: the steak that I leat tonight. Because actually I wouldn't

506
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: have any of those things if it wasn't for you know,

507
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: our farmers and our farming communities.

508
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you brought this up, actually, because

509
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: there probably is a bit of a divide, and I

510
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the cities and towns

511
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: across New Zealand, I think farmers are land of elite,

512
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, but they're actually not. Most of them. They're

513
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: indebted up to their eyeballs, and they could take the

514
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: money that they do have, the equity they do have

515
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: in their farms, and put that money into something entirely

516
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: different and make a whole lot more money with that

517
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: equity they do have in their farms, and a lot

518
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: of them might not have very much at the moment.

519
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: Farming is a particularly tough gig. It is heartbreaking, you know,

520
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: and these guys they don't have to do it. They

521
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: don't have to do it at all. If they were smart,

522
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot of them would get out of it and

523
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: go and do something else. But they do it because

524
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: they love it. They genuinely care. And actually Kiwi farmers

525
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: are bloody good at it. And this is why this

526
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: no disrespect. They don't want to get political. But the

527
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: last government sort of annoyed me a little bit because

528
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: they wanted to have fewer Kiwi farmers. And what that

529
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: would happen is that slack, that lack of production, that

530
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: the food that we wouldn't produce because there were fewer

531
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: of us would be going to another part of the

532
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: world which would produce that food even more inefficiently, and

533
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: the world would be a worse place for it. Just

534
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: didn't make sense. And maybe it was good that, you know,

535
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: they felt better about themselves when they went to sleep

536
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: at night. But actually, if anything, New Zealand should be

537
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: doing more farming as opposed to less in my eyes,

538
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: because we do it really efficiently. We're very very good

539
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: at it. We have this temperate climate and rainfall. Yeah,

540
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: and you did right. Often say I can't. I think

541
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that I can do pretty much whatever

542
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: I want to do with my life outside of being

543
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: a surgeon and a lawyer and all those things. We

544
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: needed a real few particular skills because other people produce

545
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: food for us, and what a noble thing to do.

546
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: And we're just so creative our farmers now as well.

547
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: And there's as you say, there's the efficiencies, but there's

548
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: equally the sustainability. And what people do don't get is

549
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: that we literally produce lamb in a more sustainable way

550
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: than pretty much anywhere else in the world, you know,

551
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: because of how our farming practices, because we're in a

552
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: continuous improvement which our farmers are absolutely passionate about. But

553
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: instead we get caught in this ideology that you know,

554
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: it's just absolutely out of sync with what the real

555
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: world is. And no, I once open field days and

556
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: as I said to them, as they said to me,

557
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: actually the best advocate we can have is an Auckland

558
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: city chick, and I went, you can you know what

559
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like, actually we're standing up for you, you know,

560
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: absolutely quite genuinely.

561
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing that. And it's quite nice, you know,

562
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: sometimes say with Nadia's farm or writing this book or whatever,

563
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: you know, being a bit of an eggcate, and I

564
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: think farmers appreciate that that, you know, I've got a

565
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: bit of skin in the game. And even though it's

566
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: a really small place, but you still get the insights.

567
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: You still know how hard it is if you can't

568
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: feed your stock in a week's time because the rain

569
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: hasn't come, you know. But it can be so bloody

570
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: rewarding as well. Like I'm about to pop out some

571
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: little short horned calves. I've got out of bed this morning.

572
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: I went and looked to see if there are any

573
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: new calves, and it's such, you know, starting to get warmer,

574
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: sprang a sprung, new babies, new life on the ground

575
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: shortly after a dormant winter id.

576
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: Touched on it before. But you do get emotionally attached,

577
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: don't you. Like your lambs were little jackets, and you

578
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: know you're going to go out there and talk to

579
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: these little calves of there there aren't you.

580
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Look, it is the best medicine in the

581
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: world for me. It's some real and I do want

582
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: to save every last one. And I've spent forty odd

583
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: years of my life concealing the fact that I'm a

584
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: real sensitive bugger because you're not allowed to be as

585
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: sensitive bugger when you come from the Deep South and

586
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: you play foot in your drink past. But I don't care.

587
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm my actual self here on this but of dirt

588
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: because I'm away from people. And yeah, I am terribly

589
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: attached to these little creatures. And but they're so heartwarming.

590
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: And you know people think the smartphone that's just sitting

591
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: there is amazing. Well, I think it's amazing that you

592
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: put a ram with a you and five months later

593
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: they create these little, beautiful little lambs pop out and

594
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: they're so delightful.

595
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, then skip around this, skip around the paduct.

596
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, it has all been playing in Sailing, and I've

597
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: read it, and you just have some hilarious stories in

598
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: the book. But I suppose you better. You better tell

599
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: the people that are listening in the story about breeze

600
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: second birthday, because you know that wasn't quite the lambs

601
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: bouncing me on the paddock, was it.

602
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: No, that's right. So I've been trying to get a

603
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: cattle bee's killed here for about three months. I wanted

604
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: to get a kettle bee's killed at the start of winter,

605
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen until the start of October, which

606
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: is of course spray. But the butcher, Tony, the Clyde butcher,

607
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: who does a magnificent sausage, actually rang me and said, mate,

608
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I can come and kill that beat. Stop that beast

609
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: over on the second of October. Ten am perfect, Tony.

610
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: We'll see you then. And I didn't register at the

611
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: time that that was my beautiful little daughter's Breeze two

612
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: year old birthday and she was having about two year

613
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: olds here, so they were all looking out the window

614
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: and they watched this cattle beast get knocked over by Tony,

615
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: shot in the head, and then they watched, you know,

616
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: Tony pick it up with a tractor and whipped the

617
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: skin off it. And we came here for it. And

618
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: I wanted our children to know where our food comes from.

619
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: But they got a really good education that day. We

620
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: didn't expect them to get it so early at the

621
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: age of two.

622
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 3: Perhaps they wouldn't have been traumatized, so would they they?

623
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: No, I think you're better off learning at two than

624
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty two about some of this lofe deak stuff.

625
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, And it just sort of becomes

626
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: a bit of a part of life, doesn't it.

627
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: And you know, so would you.

628
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: Encourage people to go up the city life and go

629
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: and find something new.

630
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Well, not necessarily. I'd encourage people to follow their dreams

631
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: and do what they want to do, not think about

632
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: what they should do, but just do what they want

633
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: to do. And you've got to make sure it's legal.

634
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, you don't want to end up in

635
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: the big house because you've done what you want to do.

636
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: But because this isn't for everyone. As I said, it's

637
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: tough going and you throw a lot of money at

638
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: it and you probably don't get it back all the time.

639
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: For me, it's amazingly rewarding because this is what I've

640
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: always wanted to do. But so you know, if you've

641
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: got an inkling like you of getting out of Auckland,

642
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: go for it. You only live once, and but you

643
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: know you can. You can do things like walk around

644
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: and here's my wife's come out of the bedroom. She's

645
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: working from home. She's still got a pajamas on at

646
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: ten thirty five in the morning. So that's you know,

647
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot to like about it.

648
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does, isn't There Just something that's just sort

649
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: of resets and you know, really gets in a different place.

650
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got clothes on at the moment, but sometimes

651
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: I'll be nude here because we don't have neighbors.

652
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll try try and cut that out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cut that out. I'll cut that out. I won't

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Speaker 1: do anymore.

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Speaker 3: We probably will used to cut it out. We probably

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Speaker 3: won't cut it.

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Speaker 2: Out of the podcast, to be fair, because there is

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Speaker 2: reasonably entertaining.

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Speaker 3: Does she give you a lock?

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Speaker 1: Then he just she gave you a wave.

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Speaker 3: That's all right. Yeah, Alan just walked past you again,

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Speaker 3: So that's good.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Do you see yourselves taking on more farming, more land.

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Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned that you might look at more

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Speaker 2: land more animals.

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00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: As this place becomes a little bit more productive, as

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Speaker 1: we regrass and do those sorts of things and I

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Speaker 1: get better at it, maybe I have more time. We

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00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: might take on more animals, or we take on more land.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got to make the decision. I

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: don't think I am a far my first and foremost,

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00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: it's not how I'm going to make my money, probably,

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Speaker 1: But so I don't know. Yeah, I've got to reinvent myself.

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Speaker 1: I've got to figure out what I want to do when.

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Speaker 2: I grow up, and plenty of time that'll come. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't rush it. Fifty five. I'm still working it out

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Speaker 2: and it's absolutely fine. What do you think those living

679
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: in the city and the rat race could learn from

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00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: those that are living more rurally, you know, learn from

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Speaker 2: what you've been through.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeepus, Just maybe just a little reminder around how

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Speaker 1: good it is to connect with nature, like you know,

684
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Speaker 1: I feel so much more alive here on the spit

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Speaker 1: of land because the weather is so much more important

686
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Speaker 1: to me than it ever was living in the city.

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Speaker 1: And just just reminding ourselves that we're part of this

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00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: ecosystem and it's a beautiful it's beautiful to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it. And I'm standing of it cheesy there,

690
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Speaker 1: but it's just good to get out of the rat

691
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Speaker 1: race and just take a bit of time and slow

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Speaker 1: down and appreciate what we have.

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Speaker 2: And you are in probably the most beautiful place in

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Speaker 2: the country, to be fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we are pretty lucky. But I was just thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're an hour away from Queenstown, but this

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00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: place was probably worth you know, five hundred percent more

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Speaker 1: if it was there. But you don't have to you know,

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00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but it's still kind of cheap. If that

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Speaker 1: makes it you can do it. You can, you can

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Speaker 1: afford it, probably, you really can. We've got seventy two

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00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: acres and it cost us three hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars for seventy two acres.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I hear you, I hear you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: To end this advice segment, I would like to know

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Speaker 2: what was the best advice that you've ever been given.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is, go confident in the direction of your

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00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: dreams and live the life you always imagine.

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00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: Wow, live confident, confident, go confident.

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Speaker 1: In the direction of your dreams. Then live the life

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Speaker 1: you always imagined.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just going to let that set because that's

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: bloody good advice.

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Speaker 3: But I need to I need to percolate on that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's not something it's yeah, I'm just going to

716
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: have a good think about that one.

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Speaker 3: Because I really like it. I really like it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you get it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah totally, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Good, good, good. Yeah. You would have done that. You

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00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: would have had to have oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Numerous times. Know what I want? Have lots of self doubts.

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Speaker 3: Put the big girl nickers on. Anyway, and just go

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Podcast is called ask me thing, and so far I've

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00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: done all the askings. So this is an opportunity if

728
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: you want to take it to ask me something.

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00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I haven't thought about this. Oh God, but

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Speaker 1: but I wonder have you ever been with a woman?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a big question, isn't it? One fifty five?

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Speaker 2: There's not many things I haven't done in life, to

733
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Speaker 2: be honest, And I was single for a very long time,

734
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: a very long time, so one would probably say that

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Speaker 2: I've had quite a lot of fun in life, shall

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Speaker 2: we put it that way?

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00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: Outstanding?

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Speaker 2: Just legal, that's all, or as you say, just make

739
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: sure it's legal, that's right, and not going to hurt

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Speaker 2: anyone else.

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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.

742
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Speaker 2: And it's a bit like a mental health thing. Now

743
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: it's kind of boring, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Sleeping with a woman?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, sleeping with anyone these days. I mean it's

746
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Speaker 3: like twenty years ago it would have been a scandal. Yeah.

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00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all too tired to sleep with anyone now. Yeah,

748
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: there's so that we're all working so hard to bloody

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Speaker 1: survive in this cost of living crisis. No, one's got

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Speaker 1: the time to sleep with someone.

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00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to close this out because who knows

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Speaker 2: where it's.

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Speaker 3: Going met Thanks so much returning today.

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Speaker 2: I wish you all the best for farming life with

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Speaker 2: your family with everything. Maxism's book, The Road Shadow Creek is.

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Speaker 3: In stores now. I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: And that's it for another episode of Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed this episode, please follow Ask Me

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Speaker 3: You are there.

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Speaker 2: I'll be back next Sunday. Win another guest. I'm Paula

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Speaker 2: Bena Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye,