1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:15,827 Speaker 2: Great to get the chance to welcome in New Zealand 4 00:00:15,907 --> 00:00:19,587 Speaker 2: Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, as we do on a fairly 5 00:00:19,947 --> 00:00:23,267 Speaker 2: regular basis, to chat through a number of rugby issues. 6 00:00:23,307 --> 00:00:23,467 Speaker 3: Mark. 7 00:00:23,507 --> 00:00:25,187 Speaker 2: Thanks for your time as always on z B. Big 8 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:27,787 Speaker 2: story this week, of course, was the return to New 9 00:00:27,907 --> 00:00:31,187 Speaker 2: Zealand of Richie Moore Ulna. He is back next year. 10 00:00:31,787 --> 00:00:34,507 Speaker 2: He'll be here until the back end of twenty twenty seven, 11 00:00:34,547 --> 00:00:37,547 Speaker 2: including the Rugby World Cup. Are you happy with the 12 00:00:37,547 --> 00:00:39,947 Speaker 2: outcome that has been achieved here? 13 00:00:40,947 --> 00:00:44,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, we are obviously. I mean, Richie's a proven talent, 14 00:00:44,947 --> 00:00:46,987 Speaker 3: you know, across many of the high stages in the game, 15 00:00:47,027 --> 00:00:49,267 Speaker 3: and he's been a great servant to New Zealand rugby. 16 00:00:50,627 --> 00:00:52,507 Speaker 3: You know, we know offer a lot to the environments 17 00:00:52,547 --> 00:00:54,987 Speaker 3: coming back to New Zealand and we're looking forward to 18 00:00:55,027 --> 00:00:55,707 Speaker 3: welcome them home. 19 00:00:56,667 --> 00:00:59,467 Speaker 2: Was there any thought given to him being eligible to 20 00:00:59,507 --> 00:01:03,227 Speaker 2: play for the All Blacks earlier than October of next year. 21 00:01:04,707 --> 00:01:06,787 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I won't get into too many details 22 00:01:06,787 --> 00:01:09,667 Speaker 3: around how the you know, we reached our agreements Piney, 23 00:01:09,707 --> 00:01:14,267 Speaker 3: but clearly we were open to Richie signing for a 24 00:01:14,307 --> 00:01:17,107 Speaker 3: little bit longer, and had that happened, we would have 25 00:01:17,147 --> 00:01:20,667 Speaker 3: been able to under the policy we have have them 26 00:01:21,107 --> 00:01:23,787 Speaker 3: be eligible for the All Blacks earlier. But look, this 27 00:01:23,827 --> 00:01:27,187 Speaker 3: is this is Richie's decision. We fully respect it. We're 28 00:01:27,187 --> 00:01:29,627 Speaker 3: pleased to having him, have him coming home, as I said, 29 00:01:29,667 --> 00:01:33,107 Speaker 3: and ultimately I think he said, you know, he just 30 00:01:33,107 --> 00:01:34,667 Speaker 3: wants to keep some options open at the moment, and 31 00:01:34,747 --> 00:01:35,467 Speaker 3: we understand that. 32 00:01:35,667 --> 00:01:38,467 Speaker 2: Are you happy with the eligibility rules as they currently stand? 33 00:01:38,507 --> 00:01:40,547 Speaker 2: I know that they're examined all the time. People always 34 00:01:40,587 --> 00:01:42,227 Speaker 2: have their say about them. Are you happy with with 35 00:01:42,307 --> 00:01:45,707 Speaker 2: where they are? And do you continue to examine them 36 00:01:45,747 --> 00:01:47,427 Speaker 2: on a sort of a case by case basis. 37 00:01:48,947 --> 00:01:52,107 Speaker 3: First thing, Yeah, absolutely, we're very comfortable with where the 38 00:01:52,147 --> 00:01:55,707 Speaker 3: policy sits. I think if you look across you know, 39 00:01:55,747 --> 00:01:58,547 Speaker 3: the last five or six years, Piney, you know, the 40 00:01:58,667 --> 00:02:02,707 Speaker 3: vast percentage of amount of talent we want to retain 41 00:02:02,747 --> 00:02:04,707 Speaker 3: in the country we have, and then we've been able 42 00:02:04,787 --> 00:02:09,987 Speaker 3: to provide some flexible to those long serving athletes that 43 00:02:10,187 --> 00:02:12,107 Speaker 3: you know, we believe have earned the right to have 44 00:02:12,107 --> 00:02:16,067 Speaker 3: those sabbatical arrangements in their contracts, and we do treat 45 00:02:16,067 --> 00:02:17,947 Speaker 3: those on a case by case basis. But we've got 46 00:02:17,947 --> 00:02:20,667 Speaker 3: a good sense of what that criteria looks like obviously 47 00:02:20,747 --> 00:02:22,787 Speaker 3: to make those decisions and feel like we've been really 48 00:02:22,787 --> 00:02:23,547 Speaker 3: consistent with those. 49 00:02:24,147 --> 00:02:26,227 Speaker 2: So if we look at the specific example of Richie, 50 00:02:26,827 --> 00:02:29,387 Speaker 2: he will spend three years in Japan, come back to 51 00:02:29,387 --> 00:02:32,227 Speaker 2: New Zealand, play NPC in one super campaign, go to 52 00:02:32,267 --> 00:02:34,347 Speaker 2: a World Cup and then could go back to Japan. 53 00:02:35,307 --> 00:02:37,947 Speaker 2: How does that reward the commitment that others have made 54 00:02:37,987 --> 00:02:40,467 Speaker 2: to be here for the full World Cup cycle. 55 00:02:41,907 --> 00:02:45,307 Speaker 3: Well, like I said, to the distinction there is that 56 00:02:45,347 --> 00:02:50,347 Speaker 3: he will have to come back and be eligible for 57 00:02:50,427 --> 00:02:55,027 Speaker 3: domestic rugby before consideration of being selected in the All Blacks, 58 00:02:55,027 --> 00:02:59,307 Speaker 3: whereas others who have signaled long term commitments have that 59 00:02:59,427 --> 00:03:02,427 Speaker 3: right to come back into the All Blacks environment immediately. 60 00:03:02,467 --> 00:03:06,267 Speaker 3: If you look at Jordi this year, that's a classic 61 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:08,547 Speaker 3: xample of that, and others in more recent times obviously 62 00:03:08,587 --> 00:03:10,627 Speaker 3: as well. So that is the clear difference here. 63 00:03:11,267 --> 00:03:15,067 Speaker 2: I'm sure Scott Robertson would have wanted Richie earlier. Is 64 00:03:15,107 --> 00:03:17,747 Speaker 2: he happy? Is he comfortable with the arrangement that's been 65 00:03:18,187 --> 00:03:20,027 Speaker 2: reached here about him? 66 00:03:20,747 --> 00:03:24,187 Speaker 3: Yeah? Obviously, I mean Raiser is close to the work 67 00:03:24,187 --> 00:03:28,907 Speaker 3: we're doing in negotiating with Richie and is obviously very 68 00:03:28,907 --> 00:03:31,387 Speaker 3: pleased to have him back, and he fully understands. I think, 69 00:03:31,547 --> 00:03:33,387 Speaker 3: you know, at the start of the years of reflecting, 70 00:03:33,387 --> 00:03:35,947 Speaker 3: after twelve months in the job, probably had great far 71 00:03:35,987 --> 00:03:38,427 Speaker 3: greater insight as to the tools and the flexibility we've 72 00:03:38,427 --> 00:03:42,707 Speaker 3: got within the eligibility policy, and is very supportive of 73 00:03:42,707 --> 00:03:44,507 Speaker 3: it at the moment. And I think, you know, when 74 00:03:44,507 --> 00:03:48,587 Speaker 3: we look at Lester Fayonnuku coming back Richie obviously, and 75 00:03:48,627 --> 00:03:52,547 Speaker 3: then we've got some more announcements in coming weeks and 76 00:03:52,587 --> 00:03:55,787 Speaker 3: months Piney that were really really pleased about, you know, 77 00:03:55,907 --> 00:03:57,747 Speaker 3: leading more out to we're looking to twenty eight and 78 00:03:57,787 --> 00:03:59,467 Speaker 3: twenty nine with a lot of the players now and 79 00:03:59,507 --> 00:04:01,307 Speaker 3: I think that's a combination of the quality of the 80 00:04:01,387 --> 00:04:05,867 Speaker 3: environments that were we've got established here in New Zealand 81 00:04:06,027 --> 00:04:08,027 Speaker 3: And and I think when we look at the calendars, 82 00:04:08,107 --> 00:04:09,707 Speaker 3: you and I have spoken many times on this. When 83 00:04:09,747 --> 00:04:11,267 Speaker 3: you look at the quality of the calendar the next 84 00:04:11,267 --> 00:04:16,587 Speaker 3: five years, all Black South Africa tours next year, the 85 00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:21,187 Speaker 3: Nation's Cup starting next year, two Lions Tours, you know, 86 00:04:21,307 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 3: men's and women's, and a World Cup, I think that's 87 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:27,467 Speaker 3: got people hugely excited about the next four to five years. 88 00:04:27,227 --> 00:04:29,507 Speaker 2: And will it's some look at next year's calendar. I 89 00:04:29,587 --> 00:04:32,067 Speaker 2: don't think it's been finalized, has it. You mentioned though, 90 00:04:32,307 --> 00:04:34,907 Speaker 2: start of the Nation's Cup, the longer format All Blacks 91 00:04:34,947 --> 00:04:37,347 Speaker 2: tour of South Africa. When are we likely to see 92 00:04:37,467 --> 00:04:41,387 Speaker 2: a finalized schedule for twenty twenty six, hopefully. 93 00:04:40,987 --> 00:04:42,987 Speaker 3: In the next couple of months, Piney. We had some 94 00:04:43,027 --> 00:04:47,707 Speaker 3: really productive meetings in Sydney last week. A number of 95 00:04:48,787 --> 00:04:51,467 Speaker 3: countries came into Sydney, obviously the last week of the Lions. 96 00:04:52,027 --> 00:04:54,307 Speaker 3: Six Nations and Sanze were both here, along with World 97 00:04:54,387 --> 00:05:01,307 Speaker 3: Rugby and certainly Nations Cup. Yeah, the South Africa All 98 00:05:01,307 --> 00:05:06,587 Speaker 3: Blacks concept and the work on the Lions tours all 99 00:05:06,627 --> 00:05:08,787 Speaker 3: got a really major push forward, and we're feeling really 100 00:05:08,787 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 3: confident now that we can come out soon hopefully and 101 00:05:11,507 --> 00:05:14,107 Speaker 3: share more information more formally about those all. 102 00:05:14,027 --> 00:05:16,067 Speaker 2: Right, So that's South African Tour. I mean, there's huge 103 00:05:16,507 --> 00:05:19,067 Speaker 2: anticipation about that. What are we talking here, Robert? Is 104 00:05:19,387 --> 00:05:21,627 Speaker 2: it like six to eight weeks away for these guys? 105 00:05:21,747 --> 00:05:24,227 Speaker 2: Is it three tests and some other games against teams 106 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:25,827 Speaker 2: over there? Is that kind of what we're looking at? 107 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:28,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't want to. You know, we 108 00:05:28,947 --> 00:05:31,267 Speaker 3: will reserve you know, the opportunity to talk about it 109 00:05:31,307 --> 00:05:34,627 Speaker 3: more and coming weeks, as we say, but it is 110 00:05:34,867 --> 00:05:37,587 Speaker 3: definitely an old school tour. There will be the traditional 111 00:05:38,067 --> 00:05:41,267 Speaker 3: midweek games about the strong against the strongest South African 112 00:05:41,307 --> 00:05:45,467 Speaker 3: provincial teams, and then obviously a significant test component as well. 113 00:05:45,547 --> 00:05:47,867 Speaker 3: So it will run over six to seven weeks from 114 00:05:47,987 --> 00:05:51,147 Speaker 3: sort of you know, early the middle August. 115 00:05:52,187 --> 00:05:54,987 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to that, Lions. You were in Australia, 116 00:05:55,067 --> 00:05:57,267 Speaker 2: as you say, when the British and Irish lines were 117 00:05:57,267 --> 00:06:00,107 Speaker 2: there over the last month or so. We're on track, 118 00:06:00,147 --> 00:06:03,307 Speaker 2: are we for the men in coming in twenty twenty 119 00:06:03,387 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 2: nine and the inaugural women's tour here in twenty twenty seven. 120 00:06:07,787 --> 00:06:10,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, obviously we were getting a lot more advanced 121 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:14,147 Speaker 3: with the women's tour because it's closer at hand, and 122 00:06:15,347 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 3: we're feeling really excited about that. I mean, we got 123 00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:20,107 Speaker 3: to a stage where we're starting to lock in the 124 00:06:20,827 --> 00:06:26,027 Speaker 3: schedule a lot more detail and you know, I think 125 00:06:26,027 --> 00:06:28,867 Speaker 3: people are going to be, you know, hugely excited about 126 00:06:28,867 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 3: what we're bringing to the country then, so we make 127 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:34,227 Speaker 3: good progress there and need to be you know, that's 128 00:06:34,267 --> 00:06:37,427 Speaker 3: not that far away now with the men's it was 129 00:06:37,427 --> 00:06:40,427 Speaker 3: probably an opportunity to step back. But obviously in the 130 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:43,587 Speaker 3: last two tours the lines have introduced a JV model 131 00:06:43,627 --> 00:06:48,627 Speaker 3: with South Africa in twenty twenty one and Australia for 132 00:06:48,667 --> 00:06:51,827 Speaker 3: this year, so it was our first real opportunity to 133 00:06:52,067 --> 00:06:56,067 Speaker 3: have a look at what that really entails, and look, 134 00:06:56,107 --> 00:06:58,587 Speaker 3: we think that will work really well, you know for 135 00:06:58,667 --> 00:07:00,507 Speaker 3: New Zealand. It might be slightly different to what we've 136 00:07:00,507 --> 00:07:04,587 Speaker 3: seen in South Africa and Australia because they're all different markets, 137 00:07:04,587 --> 00:07:08,907 Speaker 3: but overall we think it's a model given greater consideration too. 138 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:10,587 Speaker 3: So we spent a lot of time talking about that, 139 00:07:11,267 --> 00:07:18,067 Speaker 3: and then again we looked at schedules, venues, you know, dates, 140 00:07:18,347 --> 00:07:22,827 Speaker 3: you know, everything really as it would relate around the 141 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:27,427 Speaker 3: tour itself across those weeks from late late June twenty 142 00:07:27,467 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 3: twenty nine through to sort of early August, and then 143 00:07:30,107 --> 00:07:31,987 Speaker 3: talked a little bit about, you know, what more can 144 00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:34,227 Speaker 3: we be doing in the intervening years to be building 145 00:07:34,307 --> 00:07:39,787 Speaker 3: hype and creating really real anticipation across like least twenty six, 146 00:07:39,867 --> 00:07:42,187 Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty eight as well, and that wouldn't be 147 00:07:42,187 --> 00:07:44,987 Speaker 3: any additional fixtures obviously, but there's you know a lot 148 00:07:44,987 --> 00:07:46,907 Speaker 3: of different things we could probably be doing to build 149 00:07:47,027 --> 00:07:48,867 Speaker 3: more anticipation for that tour as well. So it was 150 00:07:49,147 --> 00:07:52,307 Speaker 3: a fantastic you know, I see the meetings, We had 151 00:07:52,307 --> 00:07:56,587 Speaker 3: a whole day with them, with our appropriate team members 152 00:07:56,587 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 3: and theirs, and yeah, we're feeling really good about it. 153 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:02,067 Speaker 2: How does the joint venture arrangement differ from how it's 154 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:03,027 Speaker 2: been done previously. 155 00:08:04,467 --> 00:08:08,987 Speaker 3: Well, you essentially you take all of the different rights 156 00:08:09,027 --> 00:08:12,947 Speaker 3: that apply to the to the tour in terms of 157 00:08:13,187 --> 00:08:17,467 Speaker 3: you know, revenue opportunities and basically build a model that 158 00:08:17,947 --> 00:08:20,667 Speaker 3: where where some of those are shared. Some of those 159 00:08:20,747 --> 00:08:22,987 Speaker 3: might be kept more separate to the lines in New 160 00:08:23,107 --> 00:08:26,067 Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby, but by and large you take a lot 161 00:08:26,067 --> 00:08:31,427 Speaker 3: more sort of collaborative approach to building building essentially building 162 00:08:31,427 --> 00:08:32,987 Speaker 3: as large as pie as you can pinting on the 163 00:08:32,987 --> 00:08:35,147 Speaker 3: commercial side and then figuring out how you can share that. 164 00:08:35,227 --> 00:08:37,627 Speaker 3: And I won't go into too much more detail than that, 165 00:08:37,667 --> 00:08:42,187 Speaker 3: but if you take things like you know, broadcasts matched 166 00:08:42,227 --> 00:08:48,787 Speaker 3: a merchandise and real retailing, hospitality and tours, you know, 167 00:08:48,867 --> 00:08:51,547 Speaker 3: all of that stuff combined and figure out a way 168 00:08:51,667 --> 00:08:54,467 Speaker 3: which it can be shared that you know that we 169 00:08:54,587 --> 00:08:57,787 Speaker 3: think will create a lot more benefit for both parties. 170 00:08:58,627 --> 00:09:02,627 Speaker 2: Rugby three sixty stories continue to pop up about some 171 00:09:02,987 --> 00:09:07,307 Speaker 2: massive sums of money reportedly being offered to top players, 172 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:09,427 Speaker 2: not only here in New Zealand but around the world. 173 00:09:10,027 --> 00:09:13,547 Speaker 2: How concerned are you about the threat of Rugby three sixty. 174 00:09:15,427 --> 00:09:18,947 Speaker 3: We're obviously staying, you know, pretty close to this work, 175 00:09:18,987 --> 00:09:24,787 Speaker 3: and I think at this stage point it's fair to say, yeah, 176 00:09:24,827 --> 00:09:28,267 Speaker 3: clearly that the people behind it are very serious. You know, 177 00:09:28,307 --> 00:09:29,867 Speaker 3: they've got a vision of what they are looking to 178 00:09:29,907 --> 00:09:32,507 Speaker 3: achieve in the club game. But there's still a huge 179 00:09:32,507 --> 00:09:36,307 Speaker 3: amount of work to be done and there's still a 180 00:09:36,347 --> 00:09:40,307 Speaker 3: lot of information that needs to be provided and understood 181 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:43,867 Speaker 3: before you know, we're very clear as if this can 182 00:09:43,907 --> 00:09:47,107 Speaker 3: take place or not. But look, we're comfortable with that. 183 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:50,787 Speaker 3: We've got good insights and heavy appropriate information we need 184 00:09:50,867 --> 00:09:52,067 Speaker 3: to understand at the moment on it. 185 00:09:52,227 --> 00:09:53,387 Speaker 2: Do you think it will go ahead? 186 00:09:55,227 --> 00:09:58,267 Speaker 3: Look, like I said, you know, there's it's really too 187 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:03,947 Speaker 3: early to say. I mean, I think there's you know, 188 00:10:04,347 --> 00:10:07,867 Speaker 3: over thecoming sort of sixty eight weeks, some things could 189 00:10:07,867 --> 00:10:11,107 Speaker 3: be clear. There's another set of of you know, global 190 00:10:11,107 --> 00:10:16,627 Speaker 3: meetings in London around Rugby World Cup for the Woman's 191 00:10:16,787 --> 00:10:19,067 Speaker 3: at the end of September, and I think there'll be 192 00:10:19,107 --> 00:10:21,307 Speaker 3: another set of information made available then and we might 193 00:10:21,387 --> 00:10:24,827 Speaker 3: have a clearer picture. But there's you know, there's still 194 00:10:24,947 --> 00:10:28,507 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff to be understood before anyone can 195 00:10:28,587 --> 00:10:29,827 Speaker 3: be confident that will be going ahead. 196 00:10:29,987 --> 00:10:32,187 Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep eyes on that. Our Black Ferns 197 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:34,067 Speaker 2: on the plane next week, I think, to defend their 198 00:10:34,107 --> 00:10:37,027 Speaker 2: World Cup title in the Northern Hemisphere. How confident are 199 00:10:37,027 --> 00:10:40,427 Speaker 2: you feeling about their chances of winning a third straight 200 00:10:40,827 --> 00:10:42,107 Speaker 2: Women's Rugby World Cup. 201 00:10:43,627 --> 00:10:47,307 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's firstly, it's just hugely exciting. It's 202 00:10:47,867 --> 00:10:50,587 Speaker 3: always exciting for the country and the fans and certainly 203 00:10:50,627 --> 00:10:52,827 Speaker 3: rugby across New Zealand to be going to a pinnacle event. 204 00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:56,427 Speaker 3: You know, we certainly know the English and the team 205 00:10:56,427 --> 00:11:00,027 Speaker 3: that everyone is talking about and a clear favorites. But 206 00:11:00,107 --> 00:11:02,347 Speaker 3: we're you know, we're reasonably comfortable with how we're tracking. 207 00:11:03,587 --> 00:11:08,667 Speaker 3: We got some really good we're done and the review 208 00:11:08,707 --> 00:11:10,107 Speaker 3: at the end of last year we're clearly there are 209 00:11:10,107 --> 00:11:13,147 Speaker 3: a few results we weren't and the team and Alan 210 00:11:13,187 --> 00:11:16,467 Speaker 3: weren't entirely comfortable with, and we think we've built into 211 00:11:16,507 --> 00:11:18,867 Speaker 3: this year quite nicely Obviously, the transition of the sevens 212 00:11:18,867 --> 00:11:22,267 Speaker 3: players has been a list of the environment, and you know, 213 00:11:22,267 --> 00:11:24,987 Speaker 3: we've had pretty good preparation leading in. So yeah, we 214 00:11:24,987 --> 00:11:27,827 Speaker 3: think we've got a great chance. We think we're building 215 00:11:27,827 --> 00:11:29,707 Speaker 3: and improving all the time, which is a nice place 216 00:11:29,747 --> 00:11:32,227 Speaker 3: to be going into a tournament like this. I don't 217 00:11:32,267 --> 00:11:36,187 Speaker 3: think our form is at all plateaued. We're still sort 218 00:11:36,227 --> 00:11:38,547 Speaker 3: of getting better week on weeks. So look, we're looking 219 00:11:38,587 --> 00:11:40,547 Speaker 3: forward to it. You know, we hopefully we can get 220 00:11:40,587 --> 00:11:43,307 Speaker 3: into a position where we're at the business end of 221 00:11:43,307 --> 00:11:45,867 Speaker 3: the tournament, of the playoffs, and then really, they are 222 00:11:45,907 --> 00:11:48,187 Speaker 3: anyone's games, aren't they. They're very close to the margins 223 00:11:48,227 --> 00:11:51,027 Speaker 3: and curbibly fine in the men's and women's game at 224 00:11:51,067 --> 00:11:56,187 Speaker 3: the moment international level, men's sevens and fifteen. So yeah, 225 00:11:56,187 --> 00:11:57,747 Speaker 3: we think we've got a good shot. We're looking forward 226 00:11:57,747 --> 00:11:58,027 Speaker 3: to it. 227 00:11:58,587 --> 00:12:00,267 Speaker 2: How are we going with finding your replacement? 228 00:12:01,907 --> 00:12:06,107 Speaker 3: You're asking the wrong You got the wrong person on 229 00:12:06,107 --> 00:12:08,027 Speaker 3: the end to view for that, Piney. Look, I think 230 00:12:08,747 --> 00:12:12,507 Speaker 3: I think the boarder getting into position to be in 231 00:12:13,547 --> 00:12:14,347 Speaker 3: market pretty soon. 232 00:12:16,747 --> 00:12:19,227 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, again, I know you're you're right, you're 233 00:12:19,227 --> 00:12:21,827 Speaker 2: the wrong person to ask, But what does that look 234 00:12:21,867 --> 00:12:23,747 Speaker 2: like in terms of a handover that sort of thing, 235 00:12:23,907 --> 00:12:26,347 Speaker 2: and a timefram like what are we today, We're sort 236 00:12:26,347 --> 00:12:28,947 Speaker 2: of early August. Are you looking sort of in the 237 00:12:28,947 --> 00:12:30,827 Speaker 2: next couple of months that you will have some sort 238 00:12:30,867 --> 00:12:33,067 Speaker 2: of clarity around who it is and then be able 239 00:12:33,107 --> 00:12:34,427 Speaker 2: to give them a decent hand of it. 240 00:12:36,227 --> 00:12:38,627 Speaker 3: Well, well, again that's not for me to determine point 241 00:12:38,667 --> 00:12:40,667 Speaker 3: out certainly. What I would say is I'll do anything 242 00:12:40,747 --> 00:12:44,547 Speaker 3: I possibly can to help with the transition and to 243 00:12:44,587 --> 00:12:47,507 Speaker 3: support the board with with any insights or information they 244 00:12:48,307 --> 00:12:52,027 Speaker 3: want from me. And if it works, you know, if 245 00:12:52,027 --> 00:12:54,787 Speaker 3: I'm still in post when when the new person's coming in, 246 00:12:54,867 --> 00:12:58,827 Speaker 3: obviously that'll that'll work really seamlessly provide some form of handover, 247 00:12:59,187 --> 00:13:00,827 Speaker 3: and if not, I'm very open to what that could 248 00:13:00,827 --> 00:13:03,667 Speaker 3: look like as well. So so again you know, I'm 249 00:13:03,867 --> 00:13:06,107 Speaker 3: I'm here, and I love the organization, I love the 250 00:13:06,147 --> 00:13:07,947 Speaker 3: game in our country and would do what I came 251 00:13:08,027 --> 00:13:11,907 Speaker 3: to support that. But ultimately it's for you know, for 252 00:13:11,947 --> 00:13:13,387 Speaker 3: the board to be working through at the moment, and 253 00:13:13,427 --> 00:13:14,267 Speaker 3: no day are doing that. 254 00:13:14,347 --> 00:13:17,067 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks for joining us. You are still 255 00:13:17,107 --> 00:13:20,227 Speaker 2: into our CEO, so we appreciate you joining us. As always, 256 00:13:20,227 --> 00:13:22,507 Speaker 2: hopefully we can do it a couple more times before 257 00:13:22,547 --> 00:13:23,507 Speaker 2: you do knock it on the head. 258 00:13:24,227 --> 00:13:26,387 Speaker 3: I'd love to do that, Pinney. Thanks thanks very much 259 00:13:26,387 --> 00:13:29,467 Speaker 3: as always to Shedding and hopefully the listeners out there 260 00:13:29,507 --> 00:13:31,147 Speaker 3: and joy us some more great forty coming up in 261 00:13:31,147 --> 00:13:31,747 Speaker 3: the next few weeks. 262 00:13:31,787 --> 00:13:34,587 Speaker 2: Indeed, I'm sure we will. Thanks Mark Mark Robinson, CEO 263 00:13:34,747 --> 00:13:36,747 Speaker 2: of New Zealand Rugby. 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