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Speaker 1: And Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Barry, good afternoon. Does the outsourcing include computers? No?

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Speaker 2: Enough said? Okay, fine, let's move.

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Speaker 3: On, Barry.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, if the if people could understand that you and

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Speaker 1: computers is like a verbal like the abuse that that

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Speaker 1: computer suffers at your hands verbally, I.

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Speaker 2: Had to bring in the experts in our company two weeks,

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Speaker 2: hang on for two weeks. They couldn't figure it out.

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Speaker 2: So they went and got a new computer which I'm

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Speaker 2: now operating.

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Speaker 1: But also complained about it, so it wasn't down. The

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Speaker 1: rest of us have to listen to it for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: You outsourced with grace and silence. Now the Israel US

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Speaker 1: attack on Iran has gone down? How well?

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Speaker 2: You know if you look at the arguments, and I

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Speaker 2: can see them both ways. One is the intellectual argument

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Speaker 2: that the UN did not agree with the the invasion

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Speaker 2: or the bombing, and in fact that's true, and even

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Speaker 2: the premise that Donald Trump made was not a correct

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Speaker 2: resolution anyway, they weren't under imminent threat from Iran. And

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Speaker 2: on the nuclear weapon issue, if you believed Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: he said after their last bombing in Iran that they

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Speaker 2: had knocked out their nuclear capability. So where that stands,

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Speaker 2: goodness only knows. But look, even though New Zealand didn't

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Speaker 2: directly support the attack, the Prime Minister insisted at his

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Speaker 2: news conference as that afternoon that they're not far apart

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Speaker 2: from the Australians or the Canadians.

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Speaker 3: The US and Israel have their own deep intelligence, deep

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Speaker 3: information networks. I would imagine in this region. We are

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Speaker 3: not central to this region. We're a long long way

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Speaker 3: away from it. They have made an assessment based off

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Speaker 3: the information intelligence that they must have about the legal

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Speaker 3: basis for this attack, but also about the rationale for

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Speaker 3: doing this attack. All I can say is in zooming

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Speaker 3: out is that as New Zealand, we've had a long

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Speaker 3: standing commitment under successive governments that any actions that stops

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Speaker 3: around from getting a nuclear weapon is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Any actions that take to stop them from sponsoring terrorism

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Speaker 3: is a good thing. Any actions that stops them from

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Speaker 3: killing their own people is a good thing. This is

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Speaker 3: not a good regime and that has been a longstanding

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Speaker 3: position of New Zealand governments under different administrations.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's certainly been condemned. What Iron has

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Speaker 2: been up to you but look, some experts I listened

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Speaker 2: to today and I found them really interesting. There were

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Speaker 2: a couple of views from the USC experts. The first

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Speaker 2: one came from the youngest Republican Senator, Tim Sheehey from Montana, who,

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Speaker 2: as a return serviceman, served in the Middle East. Haven't

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Speaker 2: listened to what he had around.

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Speaker 4: Has been destabilizing the region for forty six years. So

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Speaker 4: to say that to take them out is going to

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Speaker 4: destabilize the region, I think is a little bit backwards.

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Speaker 4: Their very presence and they're very continued action has been destabilized,

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Speaker 4: and of course there's going to be hopefully not much

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Speaker 4: longer a few days, a couple of weeks of more action.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have to wear that risk, as are they,

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Speaker 4: and we've got to finish the job we start up.

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Speaker 4: This is good for America, it's good for the free world.

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Speaker 4: They do not care what administration is in the White House.

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Speaker 4: They're going to kill Americans one way or the other.

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Speaker 4: They're going to take us hostage. They're going to murder

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Speaker 4: our citizens and our allies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did tools of duty in Iraq, Afghanistan and

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Speaker 2: the likes, but look, finishing the job. I think if

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Speaker 2: you listen to the next person will be much harder

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Speaker 2: than just killing the Supreme Leader. If you listen to

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Speaker 2: a world expert on Iran, Professor Valley Nessa from John

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Speaker 2: Hopkins University, you have a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Iran is today functioning on the basis of a deep state,

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Speaker 5: a set of bureaucrats, statesmen, clerics, and revolutionary guard commanders

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Speaker 5: and military commanders who are running the system collectively based

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Speaker 5: on the network of authority and power that they have

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Speaker 5: independent of the Supreme Leader. They got their guidance from him,

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Speaker 5: but the day to day running of the country, he

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Speaker 5: was not done by the supremea. That he's done by

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Speaker 5: this deep step.

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Speaker 2: So really interesting that to me that you may have

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Speaker 2: taken out the leader and they say forty eight members

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Speaker 2: of the leadership, but it's going to take some time.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean because if you think about it, the

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Speaker 1: guy was eighty six, right, so they will have prepared

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Speaker 1: for some kind of transition of power because he might

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Speaker 1: have just not woken up one morning. So it's not

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Speaker 1: as if this is a total shock that he's dead. No,

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Speaker 1: really quickly, because they don't have a huge amount of time.

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Speaker 1: But the change is to key we savor you like this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's realistic. I mean when you look at

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Speaker 2: people who have never owned a home yet they live in,

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Speaker 2: say company defense, diplomatic homes that are supplied by their employers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this will allow them to draw down on key we

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Speaker 2: save for their first time. And I think it's high

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Speaker 2: time that was made law and it's going to.

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Speaker 1: Be Yeah, totally, Barry, thank you very much. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with the computer tomorrow, and good luck to the rest

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Speaker 1: of us very so. For senior political correspondent.

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