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Speaker 8: Yeah, and a very very good morning and welcome along
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Speaker 8: wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, And this is hey just
Speaker 8: by the way, the first of June. Already know, I
Speaker 8: know the year is racing along. I trust that you've
Speaker 8: had an opportunity, perhaps over the long weekend, not that
Speaker 8: the long weekend is over Tomorrow is a public holiday
Speaker 8: of course, to oh maybe even do what I did yesterday,
Speaker 8: which was actually get stuck into the workshop, had a
Speaker 8: reasonably early hour of the morning's around than sort of
Speaker 8: lolling around for a bit. I thought, right, I've got
Speaker 8: things to do. I want to get them done. I'm
Speaker 8: into the workshop. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 8: after having sort of loaded the trailer and taken a
Speaker 8: whole lot of stuff around to the resource recovery center
Speaker 8: and put that in the appropriate piles hard fill in
Speaker 8: one part, metal in another part, timber and another part,
Speaker 8: and a general bag of rubbish that unfortunately will go
Speaker 8: to landfill, came home, looked around the workshop and thought, actually,
Speaker 8: it feels quite good. A little bit more space, a
Speaker 8: little bit more ordered, and hopefully a little bit more productive.
Speaker 8: So you can't underestimate I think the power of having
Speaker 8: just a little bit of order. And I think if
Speaker 8: you look at people working in general, and if you
Speaker 8: look at trades people working, there are those for whom
Speaker 8: it feels like, you know, it looks like everything is
Speaker 8: just scattered from from one end of the job site
Speaker 8: to the other. There's gear everywhere, there's tools. Just I
Speaker 8: went to a job Oh do you I hope the
Speaker 8: people aren't listening. I went to a job the other day,
Speaker 8: and at the end of the day, the builders obviously
Speaker 8: when it's time to go, like literally unclip the apron,
Speaker 8: drop it on the ground and walk out the door.
Speaker 8: It was in the middle of the floor, and I'm
Speaker 8: like I would I would probably just put it to
Speaker 8: one side, right, you know, I have a bit of
Speaker 8: a sweep up at the end of the day, have
Speaker 8: a bit of a tidy up, and then the next
Speaker 8: morning when you arrive it feels like you're ready to work,
Speaker 8: is my feeling. And I think it's the same round
Speaker 8: the house. Look, I can say these things, but nine
Speaker 8: times out of ten my shed looks like a disaster
Speaker 8: zone as well. But it was good to be in
Speaker 8: there yesterday, which was great. So if you've got a
Speaker 8: project on that you would like to talk about, you
Speaker 8: can call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We can
Speaker 8: talk all things building, construction, legislation, rules, regulations right through
Speaker 8: till just a bit after eight o'clock. Then we're going
Speaker 8: to have a bit of a catch up with Storm Harpham,
Speaker 8: who has been on the show before. I first encountered
Speaker 8: Storm at a I think it was New Zealand's suit
Speaker 8: of Building Surveys conference she's presenting on ventilation. She is,
Speaker 8: in my opinion, a ventilation expert. And so it's been
Speaker 8: in the paper and it's been in the news a
Speaker 8: little bit over the last little while, including a comment
Speaker 8: sort of off the cuff comment from Chris Penk, the
Speaker 8: Minister for Building and Construction, at a conference that I
Speaker 8: was at a couple of weeks ago, where he was saying, look,
Speaker 8: you know we've we've had the leaky building crisis. Now
Speaker 8: we're starting to have a crisis where houses are overheating
Speaker 8: and sort of you know, we're sweating from the inside out.
Speaker 8: And there's been lots of stories over the summer. We've
Speaker 8: had a great summer about houses, townhouses, brand new builds
Speaker 8: right that are thirty five degrees in the bedroom at
Speaker 8: six o'clock in the evening and what's causing that? What
Speaker 8: can we do about it? So Storm is going to
Speaker 8: join us after eight o'clock. Of course after eight point
Speaker 8: thirty we're into the garden with th red climb pasted
Speaker 8: as well. But right now your opportunity to have your
Speaker 8: say on anything around building construction, new products, new ideas,
Speaker 8: working with tradespeople and another fascinating story that popped up
Speaker 8: during the course of the week was an article.
Speaker 9: It was a piece.
Speaker 8: Of research from Brands, the Building Research Association of New Zealand,
Speaker 8: and they published a list of how which trades have
Speaker 8: to come back to repair work and in an order. Right, so,
Speaker 8: who was the what trade is the most called back?
Speaker 8: And it didn't quite in the article that I read
Speaker 8: had too much of the detail on it. What I
Speaker 8: found intriguing was quite a way down the list was
Speaker 8: plumbers who didn't get called back that often, but when
Speaker 8: they did it was for product failure, be an item
Speaker 8: that they installed has failed, rather than their workmanship has failed.
Speaker 9: Either way.
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot in that. I was quite
Speaker 8: surprised at how many callbacks there are. Someone has emailed
Speaker 8: me the article as well. I saw the article online.
Speaker 8: I'll try and put it up on socials a little
Speaker 8: bit later on. The really good thing is during the
Speaker 8: course of the week, I'm actually going to do an
Speaker 8: interview with the researcher who compiled that, and we will
Speaker 8: have that interview next Sunday on the show. Right enough
Speaker 8: for me, it's your paint was number one. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 8: as are my producer. He's absolutely right, painter's call back
Speaker 8: kind of not surprising when you think about it, because
Speaker 8: you know, inevitably, and I think even in the interviews
Speaker 8: that I heard during the course of the week, you
Speaker 8: know the painter will get called back.
Speaker 9: Let's say, if.
Speaker 8: I don't know when the kitchen's being installed, the guy
Speaker 8: scrapes the wall, right, So technically that's a callback. At
Speaker 8: the end of the job, I tell you the one
Speaker 8: and oh, I'm going to cop in the neck from rufers.
Speaker 8: Rufer's got called back a lot, seemingly, way more than
Speaker 8: I would have expected. Seriously, I can't think of the
Speaker 8: last job that I have done and I'm going back
Speaker 8: to over the last twenty twenty five years where I've
Speaker 8: had to call back the rufer for something. Now, maybe
Speaker 8: you've got some stories on that. Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 8: ten eighty is the number to call. You can text
Speaker 8: as well, that's nine two nine to two. Thank you
Speaker 8: to Ian Owen Rother who emailed me that article as
Speaker 8: well and just to remind me to look at it.
Speaker 8: So it's in the Herald Building Sector Insights which trades
Speaker 8: have to come back and fix things the most. If
Speaker 8: you search for that, you'll find it there so oh
Speaker 8: and thanks very much for your email.
Speaker 9: I might even reach out.
Speaker 8: And give you a chat and give you a call
Speaker 8: to chat about that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 8: is the number to call if you've got a project on,
Speaker 8: if you're taking advantage of the fact that tomorrow perhaps
Speaker 8: you get to stay at home and do some work
Speaker 8: around the house.
Speaker 9: What are you going to do?
Speaker 8: What would you like to get done? And do you
Speaker 8: need some help with any of it? Oh eight hundred
Speaker 8: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
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Speaker 8: We're taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 8: is that number to call. Todd sens Pete says the
Speaker 8: texter from Ray, I was an island bay yesterday, ge
Speaker 8: with some of those abodes are precariously perched on the hillside.
Speaker 8: Those builders are artisans like UA. Well, Ray, thank you
Speaker 8: very much for your for your message.
Speaker 9: Ray, very kind.
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 8: And from Ray on the text to Ray on the phone.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Ray, Good morning, I just wanted to get
Speaker 4: your advice. Sure, we live in a house where we
Speaker 4: have bottled guests two forty five kg cylinders, and we
Speaker 4: also have a pump for water for the for the house.
Speaker 4: Order supplied from tanks and the pump is around the
Speaker 4: corner from the gas bottles. It's so the gas bottles
Speaker 4: to the corner of the house are probably about eight
Speaker 4: hundred and in the distance from the other corner to
Speaker 4: the pump is probably about three or four hundred. On Friday,
Speaker 4: we had the gas supply deliver two new bottles. And
Speaker 4: we've been in the house for three years, but the
Speaker 4: house is about twelve years old. In the letter box
Speaker 4: we received a notice that said that they're checking on
Speaker 4: compliance of gas bottles and that our gas bottles were
Speaker 4: too close to the point of ignition, which is the pump.
Speaker 4: I guess I found that very difficult to understand. One
Speaker 4: that we've been the house is twelve years old, got
Speaker 4: a certificate of compl clients and in order to I think,
Speaker 4: move the pump, you have to move the piping and
Speaker 4: the electricity and it's going to be a very expensive job.
Speaker 4: I wonder that maybe it's not easy to move the
Speaker 4: bottles as they're close to a drain. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what other solutions are, whether I can put a flame
Speaker 4: proof cabinet over the pump. But it did drag the
Speaker 4: question to me that when the house was built in
Speaker 4: haddus to the compliance, would the builders still be libel
Speaker 4: or it was built by a rapid or building company.
Speaker 4: I'm just not quite sure.
Speaker 9: Where to go to here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, obviously, I mean the first thing is that
Speaker 8: the you know, the regulations are there for a reason, right,
Speaker 8: and they are to prevent in this instance, the possibility
Speaker 8: of a guest leak then being ignited and causing a
Speaker 8: gas explosion, which is you know, the potential for damage
Speaker 8: is huge, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, they building it's against as a garage, you know, it's.
Speaker 9: So, I guess.
Speaker 8: So the house is how old?
Speaker 4: Twelve years?
Speaker 9: Twelve years? Okay, so the bottle for twelve years, and
Speaker 9: the bottles.
Speaker 8: Were part of the design originally, right, so they were
Speaker 8: installed as per whatever the regulations were at the time.
Speaker 8: Potentially the regulations have changed a little bit. I suppose
Speaker 8: what would be helpful.
Speaker 9: Is if.
Speaker 4: Regulations a little bit as they were now.
Speaker 8: Right, I guess you've got a couple of options. One
Speaker 8: is it would have been useful for the company that
Speaker 8: supplies the gas and gave you the notice to actually
Speaker 8: provide you with, you know, a reference to what the
Speaker 8: regulations are done that oh yeah, and what is there?
Speaker 4: There is a minimum, yeah, one point five meters in
Speaker 4: a straight line, but in our case.
Speaker 8: It's around the corner, around the corner.
Speaker 4: And probably a few they actually draw a radius around
Speaker 4: the top of the bottles of one point five But
Speaker 4: if yeah, I think the fact that they're around the
Speaker 4: corner is you know, helps helps the problem.
Speaker 8: But maybe that's how it was interpreted. I wonder whether
Speaker 8: when when they were installed and when the location. The
Speaker 8: other thing would be is potentially the has the location
Speaker 8: of the bottles changed?
Speaker 4: Do you think, no, it's it's always been in that place.
Speaker 4: I think that what they said is that they've either
Speaker 4: got a new driver or and they're having a blitz
Speaker 4: on compliance but that quit later.
Speaker 8: No, well, yeah, except again for something that is that
Speaker 8: has the potential to cause significant damage. I don't get
Speaker 8: the feeling that we should complain about the stringency of
Speaker 8: the regulations, right, you know, the regulations are in my opinion,
Speaker 8: there for a very good reason. So in that instance,
Speaker 8: I think, I mean, realistically, how difficult would it be
Speaker 8: to move the outdoor power point further away?
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the PowerPoint. I think the
Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's the PowerPoint or the pump. Actually,
Speaker 4: I think that's the pump that has to move, both
Speaker 4: the pump and the PowerPoint. If you just have to
Speaker 4: move the PowerPoint, that.
Speaker 8: That would be relatively straightforward.
Speaker 4: But to move the pump you have to move a
Speaker 4: whole lot of piping. Yes, I have to move a
Speaker 4: whole lot of electricity.
Speaker 8: And are they I'm just thinking about now solutions, right,
Speaker 8: So I wonder have you had any discussion, like with
Speaker 8: a registered gas fitter.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have. I rang yesterday and he's coming next week.
Speaker 8: Okay, Look, they may well be able to offer up
Speaker 8: a solution in terms of saying, look, while we understand
Speaker 8: that you know technically it's it's within that one and
Speaker 8: a half meter radius from the location of the tanks,
Speaker 8: because it's around the corner, we're happy to sign that off.
Speaker 8: And then if you get something like that from the
Speaker 8: gas fitter, if they're prepared to sign it off, you
Speaker 8: could submit that to the firm and say we've assessed
Speaker 8: this or had the situation assessed by a registered and
Speaker 8: competent tradesperson who has determined that, in fact, there's very
Speaker 8: low risk from that and he's happy to sign it off.
Speaker 9: That's probably And if.
Speaker 8: They agree, let's say, with the assessment from the delivery
Speaker 8: driver and the auditing within the company, then maybe you
Speaker 8: do have to look at moving the pump or like
Speaker 8: you say, putting in some sort of fire separation on
Speaker 8: one side of it to ensure that if there was
Speaker 8: a spark at the pump or from the electrical outlet,
Speaker 8: that it was deflected. So you know, potentially a if
Speaker 8: you imagine, like if what I've got this picture in
Speaker 8: my mind, you've got the corner of the house, You've
Speaker 8: got the tanks on one wall eight hundred milimeters to
Speaker 8: the corner three hundred millimeters the other way. So if
Speaker 8: you had if you needed one point five meters separation,
Speaker 8: if you were to extend like a little fence or
Speaker 8: a wing wall for another.
Speaker 9: On a path, Okay, we get the way, the.
Speaker 8: Path seven hundred millimeters or something like that, then or
Speaker 8: maybe what you end up doing is putting a cover
Speaker 8: around the pump which means that the spark is not
Speaker 8: open anymore.
Speaker 4: It does have a place to cover over it at
Speaker 4: the moment, or polycarbonate cover over it. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 4: there are little intrusions for getting the pipes in. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that is an option. But I'm not sure whether there
Speaker 4: is such a fireproof cover or it'd have to get
Speaker 4: something made. But I could imagine if I have to
Speaker 4: move the pump and the.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's I don't know if it would be
Speaker 8: many thousands, to be fair, but you know, I mean, look,
Speaker 8: I tend I get where you're coming from, the sense
Speaker 8: that it seems like an overly cautious approach. And I
Speaker 8: just wonder whether you know, the driver perhaps has been
Speaker 8: instructed to just measure the distance from an ignition point
Speaker 8: or any other fitting electrical fitting. He's measured it, it's
Speaker 8: less than one point five meters, so he's handed out
Speaker 8: of notice.
Speaker 4: In reality me a letter, clarify what it is, and
Speaker 4: have even taken a photo.
Speaker 8: Okay, Look, I really have to applaud them for doing
Speaker 8: these sorts of audits in the same way that you know, essu.
Speaker 8: I was reading an article about you know, the house
Speaker 8: or the fire that happened in the Loafers Lodge in Wellington, right,
Speaker 8: the five people lost their lives. And you know, as
Speaker 8: councils now are going through auditing buildings, they're finding lots
Speaker 8: of stuff where people you know, have locked fire doors
Speaker 8: or remove smoke alarms or you know, all sorts of
Speaker 8: compliance stuff.
Speaker 4: So you know, in question I have this, do I
Speaker 4: have any claim against the company who built the house?
Speaker 10: Because unlikely, I would say, I mean you could try,
Speaker 10: but twelve years ago, I mean twelve years ago, there
Speaker 10: would have been the person who completed the house would
Speaker 10: have completed a had a final inspection and done a CCC,
Speaker 10: whether or not.
Speaker 8: An inspector would pick up on that. Go through, see
Speaker 8: if you can get from the council the property file,
Speaker 8: have a look at the cease, the actual CCC application,
Speaker 8: and see who the gas fitter was, and approach the
Speaker 8: gas fitter directly would be another option. Hm, okay, Well
Speaker 8: would it be the gas fitter or would it be
Speaker 8: the plumber?
Speaker 11: Well, because in the end that the electrician because the
Speaker 11: electricians no longer in business. Yeah, okay, I think that's
Speaker 11: an unlikely route.
Speaker 4: I think I want to find her.
Speaker 8: I think getting redressed from any of those parties is
Speaker 8: probably going to be a bit challenging. I just wonder
Speaker 8: whether getting a gas fitter, and you've already reached out
Speaker 8: to someone someone you know, experienced and professional who can
Speaker 8: assess the risk and say, actually, in this instance there
Speaker 8: is very little risk. You're okay sort of thing and
Speaker 8: go from there.
Speaker 4: Ye all right, thank you much.
Speaker 8: You have a good luck with all of that, and
Speaker 8: I hope it goes well. Thanks for calling Ray Bob
Speaker 8: interesting that. I mean, in some ways there's that thing
Speaker 8: you kind of betwixt them between, aren't you, in the
Speaker 8: sense that I think having those sorts of audits on
Speaker 8: what could potentially be a really serious safety issue, right,
Speaker 8: you know, if let's say, after the gas bottles, the
Speaker 8: systems set up, the gas bottles are delivered, and then
Speaker 8: someone decides, oh, actually, what I really need is an
Speaker 8: outdoor PowerPoint over there, because when I do the water blasting,
Speaker 8: it's too far to walk around the other side of
Speaker 8: the house, or I don't want to run a lead inside,
Speaker 8: so I'm going to have a gas bottle. I'm going
Speaker 8: to put an outdoor PowerPoint, not realizing the potential for
Speaker 8: an ignition source nearby. HM oh eight one hundred eighty
Speaker 8: ten eighty if you'd like to give a call on
Speaker 8: that or any other regulation rules and regulations, or perhaps
Speaker 8: you want to comment on that story about the which
Speaker 8: trades come back the most often. Bearing in mind we
Speaker 8: will be doing an interview with the lead researcher which
Speaker 8: I'll have available next weekend on the show. Oh eight
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty. It is bang on six thirty
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Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 8: I'll just try and deal with this text. Actually just
Speaker 8: before we talk to Heather from David. Hey, guys, we
Speaker 8: did a conversion to our home which is forty plus
Speaker 8: years old by converting a large four car garage which
Speaker 8: was done strictly by the books with the Council Older
Speaker 8: Rural Property and it added two large bedrooms and a hallway.
Speaker 9: Only one external war.
Speaker 8: Was replaced as we took away the two garage doors
Speaker 8: and put in a window and a new front door
Speaker 8: and all the new cladding which was all passed, so
Speaker 8: I assume there was actually a building consent for this work.
Speaker 8: Because the front was the entrance to the garage, it
Speaker 8: had concrete ramp up to the two garage doors. The
Speaker 8: concrete was taken away, strip drain installed which was past
Speaker 8: the corner of the houses had the same concrete which
Speaker 8: was in a bad way, and we paved three meters
Speaker 8: to match the front with and no levels had changed,
Speaker 8: no cladding was replaced, nothing, but the inspector wants a
Speaker 8: strip drain installed for the three meters of new paving.
Speaker 8: The issue is there's power phone and earth spike in
Speaker 8: that place going through the wall. Can they really add
Speaker 8: this now at the final inspection when no mention of
Speaker 8: it was made in any other inspection. They mentioned the
Speaker 8: name of the council, which i'll leave out at the stage.
Speaker 8: Have been a complete nightmare during this project. Sorry to
Speaker 8: hear that, David. Look at final inspection. Council have a
Speaker 8: right to pick up anything and while that might be frustrating,
Speaker 8: if they want you to do it be the path
Speaker 8: of least resistance. I'm wondering if the strip train is around,
Speaker 8: whether or not the new bit of concrete that you've
Speaker 8: added in there is less than one hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: millimeters below finished floor level of the garage, and that's
Speaker 8: a requirement of the code, right, that's what they'll be
Speaker 8: looking for, particularly if the ground is relatively flat, or
Speaker 8: worst case scenario, if it actually slopes towards the floor,
Speaker 8: then they'll want that threshold. They'll want one hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty mili. So that might be it. You could try
Speaker 8: and appeal to the team leader of the consents if
Speaker 8: you feel that the individual inspectors maybe not being a
Speaker 8: little bit unhelpful, but it's not that easy. Someone's made
Speaker 8: a couple of suggestions about the gas bottle situation, which Andy,
Speaker 8: thanks for the text, but I'm not going to even
Speaker 8: suggest that. Heather, A very good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning hello there.
Speaker 12: I have a house which has been subdivided off the farm.
Speaker 12: Farm's been sold and they have a family member moving
Speaker 12: into the house which was built a few years ago
Speaker 12: by jennyin and everything is in compliance, but it's never
Speaker 12: had a deck or finishing around the outside of the house.
Speaker 12: A deckerman who has been working for me has offered
Speaker 12: to put on a deck. They've told me secondhand, that
Speaker 12: it doesn't require a building consent. Does it require what
Speaker 12: does the deck require?
Speaker 13: Oh good, my question.
Speaker 8: Okay, in many instances the deck won't require a building consent.
Speaker 8: So typically they require a building consent if they are
Speaker 8: more than one point five meters high. Sometimes if it's
Speaker 8: in close proximity to alaboring property, which it sounds like
Speaker 8: it probably isn't. So it's really just that. So if
Speaker 8: it's particularly high, like over one point five meters, then
Speaker 8: it will No, it's not okay. The other thing, and
Speaker 8: I saw this yesterday.
Speaker 9: Actually, I was out for a.
Speaker 8: Walk and at the end of the day and noticed
Speaker 8: someone had built a new deck and they had used
Speaker 8: hundred by hundred posts, right, soundred by one hundred posts
Speaker 8: don't comply with the building code. So what's really important
Speaker 8: is that work that is not done that doesn't need
Speaker 8: a building consent still has to be built in accordance
Speaker 8: with the building code. So if someone's going to come
Speaker 8: along and build a deck and they don't have a
Speaker 8: set of plans, which is okay because they don't need
Speaker 8: a consent, I think for you, as the client or
Speaker 8: the owner, you would say, can can you tell me
Speaker 8: how this complies with a building code, you know. And
Speaker 8: that's not a rude question, right, It's just say, you know,
Speaker 8: for example, the span of the joists or the span
Speaker 8: of the bearers, or it's really just those things, the
Speaker 8: spacing of the joists, right, because those things, let's say
Speaker 8: they decide, oh, I'm going to save a bit of
Speaker 8: time and I'm going to use one less post, right,
Speaker 8: so the span of the bearer is more than what
Speaker 8: the bearer is designed for. Now, it's relatively straightforward. Most
Speaker 8: of these things are in three six O four, which
Speaker 8: is the timber frame construction guide, right, So that's the
Speaker 8: standards that we work to. You know, a reasonably competent
Speaker 8: trades person should be able to just go to the code,
Speaker 8: look at the span tables, make some notes and go right,
Speaker 8: I'm going to have my posts, for example, at one
Speaker 8: point five centers. On top of that, I'm going to
Speaker 8: use two six to two's nailed together as my bearers.
Speaker 8: And then because I'm only spanning one point nine meters
Speaker 8: or something like that, i can use a one fifty
Speaker 8: fifty joist at four hundred centers and that'll all be
Speaker 8: there in the code.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 8: So all I'm suggesting to you is when you're having
Speaker 8: a discussion with the person building the deck, just get
Speaker 8: a little bit of evidence from them that they've looked
Speaker 8: at the building code and they're going to build to
Speaker 8: the building code.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 9: That's it.
Speaker 14: Okay.
Speaker 12: Basically, so does that need to be overseen by a
Speaker 12: licensed building.
Speaker 8: No, not necessarily, because it's work that doesn't require a
Speaker 8: building consent. Right, So only restricted building work, which is
Speaker 8: work that has a consent, needs to be done or
Speaker 8: supervised by an LBP. The only other thing I point
Speaker 8: out too is if the fall is greater than a meter,
Speaker 8: it will require a hand rail, which also needs to
Speaker 8: comply with the code. And if you've got more than
Speaker 8: three steps, it requires a handrail on the steps leading
Speaker 8: up to the deck.
Speaker 12: Okay, that's great, Okay, I just yeah, because the assistant
Speaker 12: who's going to help build the deck as a bill
Speaker 12: well is supposedly a builder, but not a licensed building
Speaker 12: not an LBP, yep, non LBP. And the person who's
Speaker 12: the main person who's building the deck has got a
Speaker 12: design from him, but I haven't seen the design. They've
Speaker 12: ordered the timber, right, and I haven't had a quote
Speaker 12: or a design given to me. As the owner of
Speaker 12: the building.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and in the end you're paying for it, right,
Speaker 8: So I think you get to ask as many questions
Speaker 8: as you like. And I guess this is where you know,
Speaker 8: it's little things like depending on the soil conditions, you know,
Speaker 8: do they need to dig down four hundred or in fact,
Speaker 8: once you've dug down four hundred, does it still look
Speaker 8: like a bit of top soil in there, in which
Speaker 8: case that would be better to dig down to six
Speaker 8: hundred and make sure that the bottom of the footing
Speaker 8: is sitting hard on the clay. And that's where you
Speaker 8: are reliant on, well, ultimately the integrity and the knowledge
Speaker 8: of the builder to go Actually, you know what, it
Speaker 8: still looks a bit soft. I'm just going to dig
Speaker 8: an extra hundred mil or something like that, and yes
Speaker 8: it's going to take a bit more time, and yes
Speaker 8: it'll take a bit more concrete, but we know that
Speaker 8: it's going to be okay. So you know that hopefully
Speaker 8: that's where experience comes in. Thank you, nice to talk
Speaker 8: to you all the very best.
Speaker 9: To you think all the best.
Speaker 8: Bob Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 8: number to call.
Speaker 9: Let's talk to Nick. Good day, Nick, hid Pete.
Speaker 13: We're looking at buying a house.
Speaker 6: And we at the internal room is a cinema room and.
Speaker 8: There's no windows, right, yes.
Speaker 6: Which sounds a bit crazy, but we want to make
Speaker 6: it into a proper lounge, dining room, kitchen. Yeah. So
Speaker 6: our thoughts. It's got two sliding doors, right, and we
Speaker 6: want to take outmost sliding doors and open it up
Speaker 6: and remove two walls. Yeah, do we The first thing
Speaker 6: is resource consent, so unlikely. We obviously don't want the
Speaker 6: roof to fall in. Yeah, and we've got two brothers
Speaker 6: that can do the very confident LVB dudes to do it.
Speaker 4: And we've were what is the process?
Speaker 6: We have a draft person that can draft it up
Speaker 6: for us. Do we send that into the council to get.
Speaker 9: Sure yeah, approval.
Speaker 8: The main thing is is if like technically under again,
Speaker 8: schedule one of the acts, right, which is it sets
Speaker 8: out work that can be done without necessarily requiring a consent,
Speaker 8: potentially if the wall was non load bearing.
Speaker 9: We think it is.
Speaker 8: Thinking and knowing are slightly different things, right, So you've
Speaker 8: you've got to be you know what I mean, You've
Speaker 8: already identified.
Speaker 6: The fact plans we have. We've seen plans and stuff,
Speaker 6: and it looks like they're not, and we'd tap the
Speaker 6: walls and the builders sat the walls and with think.
Speaker 4: They're an load bearing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd take I'd take my I'd take the inspection
Speaker 8: just slightly beyond tapping the wall to be fair, Look,
Speaker 8: if what's what's above that wall? Is it another floor
Speaker 8: or is it the roof?
Speaker 9: It's the roof, it's the roof.
Speaker 8: Okay, look, it should be relatively straightforward to figure out
Speaker 8: whether or not that wall's load bearing. If it isn't
Speaker 8: load bearing, and you know, i'd get a draft person,
Speaker 8: architect engineer to to just cast an eye over it
Speaker 8: and go, actually, you know what, it's low risk. If
Speaker 8: you took the wall out, nothing's going to move right
Speaker 8: then then theoretically you can do that work without requiring
Speaker 8: a consent. However, if it is load bearing, or perhaps
Speaker 8: if you've looked at the plans and realize that there's
Speaker 8: some bracing elements in that wall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we think that is it called pearlins or
Speaker 6: bracing up above to hold the roof up?
Speaker 4: Would that be right?
Speaker 8: There might be triangles, yeah, if it's an older roof,
Speaker 8: you might have some understanding no, the.
Speaker 6: House is only three years old. Ah, it's a pretty.
Speaker 4: Browd new house.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, in fact, it might be less than that.
Speaker 8: Oh well, I mean, look, that's an advantage in the
Speaker 8: sense that you could go and get the plans right
Speaker 8: and have again an engineer or an architect to a
Speaker 8: desktop review of the plans. You'll quickly determine whether or
Speaker 8: not there's any bracing elements in there, whether there's a
Speaker 8: lintel that's holding something up, what the span of the
Speaker 8: trusses are.
Speaker 6: Think we think the lintel, there is a mental.
Speaker 9: Above the sliding doors.
Speaker 6: Yes, the sliding doors, but we're taking it below the left,
Speaker 6: so we're just knocking out the wall below the lintil.
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, but then hopefully.
Speaker 8: Well no except the lintel. Let's say the are they
Speaker 8: pocket sliders or are they sort of barn sliders? Where
Speaker 8: do the sliding doors go from the opening?
Speaker 4: So they go back into the wall.
Speaker 8: Okay, So let's say you've got to eight hundred doors,
Speaker 8: so that's one point six meters. Then chances are your
Speaker 8: opening is actually already three point two meters, right because
Speaker 8: of the pockets that they go into. So you want
Speaker 8: to take more than the three point two meters out.
Speaker 6: Not on one side, possibly on the other side.
Speaker 8: Okay, that goes up the hallway, So if you did
Speaker 8: want to take the other side out, then that lintel,
Speaker 8: there's an understud at the end of that opening that's
Speaker 8: holding up the lintel. You're going to remove that, and
Speaker 8: there's nothing holding the lintel up, right.
Speaker 9: So there is a bit we don't want.
Speaker 8: No, No, look, I think the best bedders requit. You
Speaker 8: may even have a copy of.
Speaker 6: The plane just to reap. Do I need an LV
Speaker 6: Do I need a resource consent for this project? No?
Speaker 8: Well, this we might be at cross purposes. A resource
Speaker 8: consent is unlikely because you're not using any resource, right.
Speaker 8: A building consent, and they are two different things might
Speaker 8: be might be required because the wall might be load bearing,
Speaker 8: there might be bracing elements in it. Right, So if
Speaker 8: either of those two yeah, if either of those two
Speaker 8: things are there, then you're going to need to do
Speaker 8: a design. You're going to need to submit that design
Speaker 8: to counsel for a building consent. Once the building consent
Speaker 8: comes out, then.
Speaker 6: How long does that take?
Speaker 8: Well, theoretically, a theoretically area twenty days right from the date.
Speaker 9: That today sorry.
Speaker 6: Today, things we're off surprise today for four months.
Speaker 8: Well, it could be done by the time you get back.
Speaker 8: I mean it's all digital.
Speaker 6: And all the work can be done by the time
Speaker 6: we get back. So but okay, that's great.
Speaker 4: So do we do we.
Speaker 6: Like and using lvps? Yeah, they're quite capable of handling
Speaker 6: the work while we're away.
Speaker 8: Look, that's completely up to the relationship that you have
Speaker 8: with the LBP if you if you know them, I
Speaker 8: mean I've done plenty of work. Well yeah, you know
Speaker 8: they could do it. Look to be fair, it is
Speaker 8: a little bit challenging I think as a client if
Speaker 8: you're not there to answer questions, right, but then again
Speaker 8: today with email text and oh absolutely no, no, you
Speaker 8: know it all set. But I suppose what happens with
Speaker 8: these jobs as they grow a little bit, right, because
Speaker 8: suddenly when you pull the wall out there's a patch
Speaker 8: of flooring.
Speaker 9: Do you replace all the flooring?
Speaker 8: Do you try and patch it? Do you want the
Speaker 8: ceiling to go through in one height? What about any
Speaker 8: electrical cables? You know, there's just constant Christians and if
Speaker 8: you're not there, it might drag the process out a
Speaker 8: little bit. Yeah, so fine, I am slightly envious of
Speaker 8: you heading off to France. We're about to be.
Speaker 9: Hitting yeah for months.
Speaker 6: We've got a house in the Sharons to our south of.
Speaker 9: Bordeaux, nice on the on the River v Enna.
Speaker 6: I will be catching trout in three days time.
Speaker 9: Good luck to you.
Speaker 8: Enjoy that and maybe a glass of pastie in the
Speaker 8: cafe at the end of the days.
Speaker 9: Enjoy take care all of this.
Speaker 8: So long story short. I think it's likely that it
Speaker 8: needs a building consent. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties.
Speaker 8: Having glass of psis at a at the cafe at
Speaker 8: the end of the day in the little town square
Speaker 8: is twenty years ago. That was me about this time. Actually,
Speaker 8: happy days right, Oh, twelve minutes away from seven, back
Speaker 8: with Sandy.
Speaker 1: After the break doing our house, storting the guard and
Speaker 1: asked Pete for ahead, the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap
Speaker 1: call eighty eight newstalgs Vy.
Speaker 9: You're a news talks.
Speaker 8: They've been coming up eight minutes away from seven. Of course,
Speaker 8: we've got news top of the air at seven before
Speaker 8: then Sandy, Hello there, oh, hello there, I've.
Speaker 15: Got a gas bottle query as well. I'm been in
Speaker 15: my house two years and I'm on gas hot water yep,
Speaker 15: And I pay the company over two hundred dollars a
Speaker 15: year in gas bottle rentals, and I'm just and I
Speaker 15: I've got two bottles and i haven't even used one
Speaker 15: in three years, and I'm wondering if I can just
Speaker 15: have connected a barbecue bottle and seeing the big gas
Speaker 15: bottles back and say myself, the reate hole.
Speaker 8: Look, I think the best person to give you advice
Speaker 8: on that would be a gas fitter, right, so registered
Speaker 8: gas fitter. In theory, I don't see a problem with it.
Speaker 8: And the only reason I say that is again, at
Speaker 8: a property some time ago, they had the only use
Speaker 8: they had for gas was to power some gas hobs, right,
Speaker 8: and that was off a standard sort of well are
Speaker 8: they ate or nine kg? Basically off a bottle, right,
Speaker 8: looked like a barbecue gas bottle. And I was a
Speaker 8: little bit unsure about it. And I actually send a
Speaker 8: photograph to the gas fitter that I have known for many,
Speaker 8: many years and said, is this compliant? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's fine as long as you know it's on a
Speaker 8: stable platform that sort of thing. So yeah, theoretically, but
Speaker 8: I think i'd feel better saying to you, hey, what
Speaker 8: I would do is talk to a professional gas fitter,
Speaker 8: get their advice. You might find that the hose that
Speaker 8: you've got is designed to go to the top of
Speaker 8: a taller tank, in which case it won't reach to
Speaker 8: the ground for example. And I think too, there's a
Speaker 8: requirement that they're secured so that they don't fall over,
Speaker 8: which is important. Well it's outside, yes, I know, but
Speaker 8: it's more that it has if it's if it's knocked
Speaker 8: over for example, and pulls on the hose or you know,
Speaker 8: pulls the hose out or something like that. Those are issues, right,
Speaker 8: those genuine safety concerns around ensuring that you don't end
Speaker 8: up with an explosion.
Speaker 9: Basically, well, I.
Speaker 15: Suppose I could ask the people.
Speaker 4: That SAG I guess.
Speaker 8: The other thing, too, is to that consideration around you know,
Speaker 8: the fact that you've got the two bottles, and yes,
Speaker 8: they've lasted you an extraordinary long time. But the beauty
Speaker 8: of those systems is that one when one runs out,
Speaker 8: it automatically swaps over to the other one, as opposed
Speaker 8: to hopping in the shower, turning on hot water and
Speaker 8: discovering that the bottles run empty and then suddenly you've
Speaker 8: got to go and you know, go and get a
Speaker 8: new bottle and those sorts of things.
Speaker 9: It looks it's completely up to you.
Speaker 15: But m okay, well thanks, but.
Speaker 8: I would get advice from a professional guess for around
Speaker 8: the regulations of having your own bottle like that.
Speaker 15: Okay, I'm sure the gas company could give me that information,
Speaker 15: couldn't they as well?
Speaker 8: But remember they're in the business of selling you gas, right,
Speaker 8: They're not going to necessarily advise you to ditch what
Speaker 8: they offer and go down the road and get something cheaper. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 8: you take care all the best, boy. Then, Actually i'll
Speaker 8: tell you what here we go from Chris. Text came
Speaker 8: in almost immediately, Pete, technically you can't use a barbecue
Speaker 8: gas bottle as the pressure is Plumber advised.
Speaker 13: It's not.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's too low for the hot water. The
Speaker 8: Califont won't like it. That's a fair point, obviously. You know,
Speaker 8: big bottle more pressure. Smaller bottle not designed for high
Speaker 8: pressure because it's just typically just feeding the barbecue, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Or a hob for example.
Speaker 8: But that's quite a different amount of gas than is
Speaker 8: required for the Califont. So it might just be sandy
Speaker 8: a technical issue there that it simply just won't work
Speaker 8: off another type of bottle. Again, that's why you get
Speaker 8: professional advice back after the.
Speaker 1: Break, whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with fans, or
Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Gaffer call on eighty, the resident builder on
Speaker 1: youth dogs.
Speaker 8: Indeed indeed resident builder here on a Sunday morning, Sunday
Speaker 8: morning of a long weekend Tomorrow. Of course, King's Birthday
Speaker 8: day takes a little bit of getting used to the
Speaker 8: King's birthday as opposed to the Queen's Birthday, which we
Speaker 8: got used to saying for what seventy odd years. Anyway,
Speaker 8: tomorrow's public it's a day off. Like I didn't get
Speaker 8: around to doing the lawns today, sorry yesterday. I loathe
Speaker 8: them to test doing them on a Sunday, so I'm
Speaker 8: not going to do them on a Sunday. But I
Speaker 8: figured that a Monday of a public holiday this kind
Speaker 8: of feels like a Saturday, so that's all right to
Speaker 8: do it. I'm thinking tomorrow's Tomorrow's the day, oh eight
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty is that I've got to get
Speaker 8: all the other stuff out of their way first, before
Speaker 8: I can get back to the lawnmar Right. Yeah, I've
Speaker 8: got space issues, I've got storage issues. I might even
Speaker 8: have poarding issues, but that's another matter. Oh eight, one
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 8: if you've got a question of a building nature. We've
Speaker 8: talked a bit about especially work that requires building consent,
Speaker 8: like what type of work requires a building consent? What
Speaker 8: type of work doesn't necessarily require a building consent? But
Speaker 8: the bit that seemingly lots of people forget about is
Speaker 8: that building work that doesn't necessarily require a building consent
Speaker 8: still needs to be done in accordance to the building code.
Speaker 8: So it was a great conversation with Heather about someone
Speaker 8: coming to build a deck on a property that obviously
Speaker 8: the house was built and then we'll do the deck
Speaker 8: later on. So the deck there, from what I can tell,
Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily require a building consent, but you do want
Speaker 8: some evidence that it is built to the code. And
Speaker 8: how do you find that?
Speaker 9: Well, the simplest way would.
Speaker 8: Be go to three six O four NZS three six four,
Speaker 8: which is the guide to light timber construction and work
Speaker 8: out there span tables. How far apart do I need
Speaker 8: the post to be so that gives you an idea
Speaker 8: of how many posts you might need. So working backwards
Speaker 8: from the overall size, you'd go, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 8: have my joy spanning this amount, which means my bearers
Speaker 8: need to span this which means my posts need to
Speaker 8: be there. But I think it's not unreasonable to ask
Speaker 8: whoever's building it if they don't need a building consent.
Speaker 8: Beautiful building consent is immediately you've got a set of
Speaker 8: plans for that to then go, this is how I
Speaker 8: can prove compliance with the building code because you are
Speaker 8: reliant then completely on the contractor doing the work to
Speaker 8: be competent and to know what the code requirements are.
Speaker 8: Even in terms of fixing, you know, how are you
Speaker 8: going to fasten the bearer to the pile? You know
Speaker 8: what type of fixings are you going to use? Does
Speaker 8: it require a handrail? In which case, depending on the
Speaker 8: type of handrail, there are hot restraints that you need
Speaker 8: to ensure that the handrail itself is going to resist
Speaker 8: the impact of someone tripping against it or falling against it,
Speaker 8: that it's not going to get bendy and wobbly and
Speaker 8: fall over. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like
Speaker 8: to talk all things building construction, we can do that.
Speaker 8: Someone a text through and went, hey, just about that,
Speaker 8: they are obviously thinking about doing it a.
Speaker 9: Building a deck.
Speaker 8: I mentioned the fact that, as far as I know,
Speaker 8: using one hundred by hundred posts, so literally like a
Speaker 8: fence post that you can buy because they're a lot
Speaker 8: cheaper than tanner piles or sentence piles, which are one
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty five by one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 8: Decks need to be supported on tanna piles.
Speaker 9: If you do your deck with one.
Speaker 8: Hundred bye hundred fence posts, it's not code compliant, and
Speaker 8: I've seen it often. So even a deck that's you know,
Speaker 8: three hundred milimeters off the ground or something like that,
Speaker 8: still needs to be built in accordance with the building code.
Speaker 8: We can talk about that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 8: is the number to call. Maybe you've would have seen
Speaker 8: that article during the course of the week. Was in
Speaker 8: the Herald during the week research out of brands talking
Speaker 8: about which trades get the most callbacks, and interestingly enough,
Speaker 8: top of the list was painters. I think it deserves
Speaker 8: a bit more sort of explanation and analysis than just going, oh,
Speaker 8: that means painters are not very good at their jobs.
Speaker 8: I think that it's in that case, it's probably a
Speaker 8: lot about the fact that, you know, paintwork gets damaged
Speaker 8: by all sorts of trades and people being in the house.
Speaker 8: You know, someone carrying a bath scratches the wall. Someone
Speaker 8: putting in an overhead cabinet in the kitchen scratches the wall.
Speaker 8: All of these sorts of things, Right, so it's not
Speaker 8: surprising that painters come back. Builders were next. I was
Speaker 8: actually quite surprised at how many roofers were being called
Speaker 8: back for jobs. Anyway, we're going to do some research
Speaker 8: on that.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 8: Actually I'm going to talk to the researcher during the
Speaker 8: week and we'll have that interview next week. I wait,
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. I wait hundred
Speaker 8: eighty ten nine two ninety two on the text, and
Speaker 8: if you would like to email me, you're more than
Speaker 8: welcome to do that as well. It's Pete at NEWSTALKSIDB
Speaker 8: dot co dot NZ. PETE deck up to one point
Speaker 8: five does need a building consent, but the barrier does.
Speaker 8: If it's over a meter, you're absolutely right. Ah, hang on,
Speaker 8: I think what Steve is trying to say is the
Speaker 8: deck doesn't need a building consent if it's one point
Speaker 8: five but the barrier. But it does need a barrier,
Speaker 8: I think is what you're saying there. It's not like
Speaker 8: the barrier then needs a building consent. So let's say
Speaker 8: the decks one point two meters above the ground. So
Speaker 8: to prevent injury from falling, it requires a handrail, or
Speaker 8: it requires a barrier because it's you can fall more
Speaker 8: than a meter, but because it's less than one point
Speaker 8: five meters, it doesn't require a building consent. But yes,
Speaker 8: you're right, Steve, it does require a handrail in the
Speaker 8: same way that more than three rises are on a
Speaker 8: set of stairs. It's an unusual number, isn't it. More
Speaker 8: than three rises requires a handra eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 8: We can talk rigs and rules, and we've been talking
Speaker 8: quite a bit about gas bottles as well, So just
Speaker 8: to be really clear on that, if you've got a
Speaker 8: gas califont so an on demand water heater that's run
Speaker 8: off the large commercial bottles, they are at higher pressure,
Speaker 8: and the idea of swapping that out for what we
Speaker 8: might call a barbecue bottle, will find that it's lower
Speaker 8: pressure and the califont won't work properly on the lower pressure,
Speaker 8: So that's a good reason to not swap them over. Sandy,
Speaker 8: who we were talking to before the news, oh eight
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty is Ah has good text before
Speaker 8: the break Pete. We've got a five year old house
Speaker 8: with a standard double garage which the builder has kindly
Speaker 8: omitted to insulate the ceiling. We are wanting to bat
Speaker 8: the ceiling. How do we calculate the number of packs
Speaker 8: that we need? Is there a calculation to use? We're
Speaker 8: in Katahadi and the bay plenty from Leslie. Now, just
Speaker 8: to point out Leslie, technically the garage is not a
Speaker 8: habitable space, so it doesn't need to be insulated. I
Speaker 8: think that's foolish, and I've typically always insulated garages if
Speaker 8: they're attached to the house. But technically it didn't need
Speaker 8: to be done, even if it is a five year
Speaker 8: old house. So normally, depending on which type of insulation
Speaker 8: you choose, each bail will have a coverage. So if
Speaker 8: it's a standard sized garage six by six, that's thirty
Speaker 8: six square meters. If there's ten square meters in a bail,
Speaker 8: you'll need three and a half bales or four bales
Speaker 8: of insulation that sort of thing, So that's not too
Speaker 8: challenging to figure out. I'm sure, Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 8: ten eighty give us a call. We've got some more
Speaker 8: texts coming through, but if you would like to call,
Speaker 8: that'd be great. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Give the right advice from
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident filled out on News Talk SB.
Speaker 8: Really, I'm going to do an interview with the researchers
Speaker 8: at Brands this week around this survey. This is about
Speaker 8: sort of basically which trades have to come back how often?
Speaker 9: So the summary of.
Speaker 8: It is is that around I think it's eighty nine
Speaker 8: percent of people who move into a new house need
Speaker 8: to call back one of the trades people involved in,
Speaker 8: whether that's the painter, the tyler, the roof of, the electrician,
Speaker 8: the plumber, the carpenter, et cetera, et cetera. And then
Speaker 8: I'm reading through the article. It was on the Herald
Speaker 8: during this week. New home owner satisfaction is also going
Speaker 8: in the wrong direction. In twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent
Speaker 8: rated their builder on the overall quality of the home
Speaker 8: as good. Right, So twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent of
Speaker 8: people said that they thought their builder was good. In
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, the most recently surveyed year, this had
Speaker 8: dropped a eighty one percent people recommending. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 8: seventy percent of new homeowners were likely to recommend their builder.
Speaker 8: By twenty twenty three, this had dropped to sixty one percent,
Speaker 8: and the proportion unlikely to recommend their builder had risen
Speaker 8: to thirty two percent. Oh, there's going to be some
Speaker 8: great detail in this. We'll We'll be chatting with brands
Speaker 8: during the week and I'll have that interview for you
Speaker 8: next week as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 8: eighty is the number to call Robbie. Greetings.
Speaker 13: Yes, goodn't winning Pete. Hey, Robbie, I just thought I
Speaker 13: might put the records straight on the gas buddle situation.
Speaker 8: All the gas bottles, Sorry, Robbie, just to I know
Speaker 8: in the in the note that I've got, you're a
Speaker 8: certified gas fitter.
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, cool, go for it.
Speaker 13: Yeah. I have been in the business for four ideas
Speaker 13: the thing is incluse with the gas bottles the cooked top,
Speaker 13: and he takes a small quantity of gas yep. So
Speaker 13: to put it on a nine kg is quite code.
Speaker 13: So the bottles are all felt the same pressure, so
Speaker 13: they don't vary at all.
Speaker 16: But with.
Speaker 13: The forty fives are better on a water heater because
Speaker 13: a water heater consumes far more gas than a cook top. Yes,
Speaker 13: so it's it's the ability for the gas can the
Speaker 13: liquid to convert to gas. So the volume of the
Speaker 13: in the forty five, it's got a greater opportunity of
Speaker 13: the heat from the outside to convert the liquid into gas.
Speaker 13: All right, yep.
Speaker 8: So if you if you were to swap from a
Speaker 8: forty five the big steep bottles right to the smaller
Speaker 8: of barbecue bottle the nine kg on a califon. Is
Speaker 8: the issue just about the volume. It's not about the pressure.
Speaker 13: Nothing to do with pressure, right. Pressure will take its
Speaker 13: insideration from the amount that's in there. And because the heat,
Speaker 13: the latent heat goes into the gas and converts it
Speaker 13: sorry into the liquid and converts it to gas. That's
Speaker 13: where the factor is. So the supply of gas water
Speaker 13: here is considerably larger than a cook top, so it's
Speaker 13: got to be otherwise. It's the situations. Say, if you
Speaker 13: go into a restaurant situation where you've got four or
Speaker 13: five gas bottles and they're already pouring on the gas
Speaker 13: in the morning, you'll get that situation to freeze up.
Speaker 13: It'll work like a refrigerator because there's too much liquid
Speaker 13: coming through the line.
Speaker 8: Earlier on, we we also had a conversation with a
Speaker 8: gentlemen who obviously the company that are delivering the bottles
Speaker 8: that they use for gas hot water. We're doing a
Speaker 8: bit of an audit and identified that there was an
Speaker 8: ignition source being an outdoor power point and a pump
Speaker 8: too close to the gas bottle.
Speaker 9: But it was around a corner.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 8: So if you've got let's say, to a corner to
Speaker 8: the gas bottle is eight hundred milimeters and then from
Speaker 8: that corner, go round the corner to where the pumpers
Speaker 8: and with an outdoor power point that was another three
Speaker 8: hundred milimeters, So it's not the one point five required,
Speaker 8: But would you look at that and go Actually, the
Speaker 8: fact is it's around the corner. The ignition sources sort
Speaker 8: of sheltered.
Speaker 13: It's relatively low risk or should be stretching the situation
Speaker 13: will eave it.
Speaker 9: So what what would be the solution?
Speaker 13: So I don't know whether they're sort of you know,
Speaker 13: beyond that, maybe because I.
Speaker 8: Think too sometimes we have a bit of a short
Speaker 8: memory around these things. And I know there was an incident,
Speaker 8: there's quite a well known incident where it was actually
Speaker 8: the fault of the gas fitter who had left a
Speaker 8: mains connection uncapped during servicing and that caused the house
Speaker 8: to explode. But there was another case where remember a
Speaker 8: family were living in sort of like a tiny house.
Speaker 8: They were running some of their gas their cooking off
Speaker 8: a gas bottle. The gas bottle hadn't been checked. There
Speaker 8: was a slow leak, and when they came in and
Speaker 8: turned the light switch on, the tiny little spark from
Speaker 8: the light switch was enough to ignite the gas that
Speaker 8: had accumulated in that building and blew up the building. Basically,
Speaker 8: So I wonder whether sometimes we get a bit complacent
Speaker 8: around you know, the potential for harm from gas. If
Speaker 8: it's if we've become a bit placement.
Speaker 13: Well, couldn't have the rigs, of course, you shouldn't have
Speaker 13: the gas bottle inside, right, put in a proper cover
Speaker 13: with ventilation and so on. So but what I got
Speaker 13: back from the board on the house blowing up was
Speaker 13: the fact that the gas that went away, he did
Speaker 13: not cap it all. Homeowner came home, wanted to shower,
Speaker 13: quickly went out to the street. What I can understand,
Speaker 13: and turned the gas on.
Speaker 8: Did they go to the street or did they just
Speaker 8: go to where the met was outside and turn the
Speaker 8: meta back on?
Speaker 13: Well, whatever was the owner created the situation from that point.
Speaker 9: Of view by turning it on. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 8: And the I don't know if it's miscommunication or whatever,
Speaker 8: but I mean, gee, the impact was enormous, wasn't it.
Speaker 13: I mean, the house was gone tremendous. It's not one
Speaker 13: of the things. But we do have a very very
Speaker 13: good tafety record in New Zealand.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and.
Speaker 13: There was one down two to cart. There was a
Speaker 13: landlord of the home and and lady came home, lit
Speaker 13: it up and blew the side out of the house.
Speaker 13: I don't know what they're a killed writing. It may
Speaker 13: have done right, So you know, you really have to
Speaker 13: stick with the stick with the trade that knows surely
Speaker 13: all about it.
Speaker 8: So yeah, and that's I think that's also part of
Speaker 8: the reason that you guess that it is a certified
Speaker 8: So it's that next level of qualification. Interesting to see though,
Speaker 8: is more and more discussion around plumbers being certified now
Speaker 8: as well, so having a similar sort of level of
Speaker 8: responsibility I guess as as guess that does traditionally have had.
Speaker 13: Well, that's that's that's something that there the PROBS board
Speaker 13: and us as plumbers looking to get to do. But
Speaker 13: of course the gas has got a greater energy hard
Speaker 13: safety stuff to factor.
Speaker 8: Appreciate you taking the time to call through Robie. Really
Speaker 8: great insights from you. Thank you very very much for
Speaker 8: that your news talks, he'd be we are talking all
Speaker 8: things building, including the rigs and the rules, and I
Speaker 8: think too sometimes we kind of lose sight of why
Speaker 8: we have the rules and the regulations because typically there's
Speaker 8: potential for harm, right, and while they're unusual, you know,
Speaker 8: there have been situations we're building collapses or collapses are
Speaker 8: part of a building structure have caused either serious injury
Speaker 8: or in some case death, So you know, I think
Speaker 8: sometimes we get I feel that sometimes the discussion is around, ah,
Speaker 8: there's too many rules and so on, and there might
Speaker 8: be a solid argument for that, But I think sometimes
Speaker 8: we lose sight of the fact that the rules are
Speaker 8: there to ensure that harm doesn't occur. Oh, you may
Speaker 8: care to comment on that. I might be getting a
Speaker 8: bit on the whole thing. Maybe I should loose enough
Speaker 8: of it. You tell me. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 8: We're talking building construction, and oh, decks. We've been talking
Speaker 8: a bit about decks, because you can build decks, some
Speaker 8: types of decks in terms of height, in location, and
Speaker 8: so on, without necessarily requiring a building consent. Hey, pete,
Speaker 8: how can a bear on a new deck be closer
Speaker 8: than one hundred and fifty to the ground by not
Speaker 8: being H four or not? Well, you'd want to make
Speaker 8: it H four with floors. Like floors for a house,
Speaker 8: for example, there's a minimum crawl space required underneath. That's
Speaker 8: not the case for decks. So I was on one
Speaker 8: the other day that might have been thirty or forty
Speaker 8: milimeters above finished ground level to where the bearer was,
Speaker 8: and then the choice werenogged in between because they wanted
Speaker 8: it to be as low as possible. So you just
Speaker 8: do all of that in H four and you'll be fine.
Speaker 8: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.
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Speaker 8: Just gone seven thirty Here a news TALKSB and the
Speaker 8: lines are open for you. Leslie as text back, just
Speaker 8: this is about the internal garage. So garage attached to
Speaker 8: the house but not insulated. The ceiling's not insulated and
Speaker 8: LESSI texs back. Hey forgot to mention the garage has
Speaker 8: internal access, so we would have assumed it would have
Speaker 8: been insulated. And look again, what what is quite common,
Speaker 8: whether it's the builder that drives it or the developer
Speaker 8: that drives it, is that in terms of the code,
Speaker 8: you only have to insulate the habitable spaces, right, So
Speaker 8: you're creating a thermal envelope around the habitable spaces of
Speaker 8: the house, the garage which might be attached and in
Speaker 8: this case it is attached to the house and it
Speaker 8: has internal access. What the builder or the developer would
Speaker 8: need to do is insulate the roof space of the
Speaker 8: house and insulate the wall between the garage and the
Speaker 8: rest of the house to ensure that that's the thermal envelope.
Speaker 8: And I guess what it means for the builder developer
Speaker 8: is oh, I get to save a bit on insulation
Speaker 8: and I don't need to do it and all the
Speaker 8: rest of it because it's not part of the habitable space.
Speaker 8: But yeah, in the end you end up with a
Speaker 8: cold garage trapping cold air against the building.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think it's a good idea to insulate garages if
Speaker 8: you can. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 8: the number to call. Thanks very much for that text again,
Speaker 8: Leslie Peter Greetings, Hi, Hey, hey.
Speaker 16: II, good good. I have a upstairs deck with which
Speaker 16: is supported by external poles, and I need to move
Speaker 16: one of the polls to create a space for put
Speaker 16: a car underneath. I have a building consent from the council,
Speaker 16: which I'm quite happy to.
Speaker 8: Have got for the original wondering or for the change
Speaker 8: for the change, okay.
Speaker 12: And.
Speaker 16: What I'm wondering is I have a friend who's a
Speaker 16: young guy who's about five years pastors building apprenticeship. He's
Speaker 16: not an LBP, and wondering do I need an LBP
Speaker 16: to have the work carried out properly and legally.
Speaker 8: In terms of the actual legislation. What's required is because
Speaker 8: you've got a building consent that makes it restricted building work.
Speaker 8: Restricted building work can be can only be done or
Speaker 8: supervised by an LBP. So let's say the young guy,
Speaker 8: to be fair, there's really no excuse for not being
Speaker 8: an LBP. If he's done his time, he should get registered,
Speaker 8: So I'd put that pressure on him to be blunt.
Speaker 8: The other thing is if he's not an LBP for
Speaker 8: whatever reason, then you will need to contract an LBP
Speaker 8: to do it, to do the supervision.
Speaker 16: And what is the involvement in terms of I had
Speaker 16: it the plans all drawn up by a structural engineer, yep.
Speaker 16: What is their involvement in terms of the process.
Speaker 8: It'll depend a little bit on the consent conditions, but
Speaker 8: chances are if there was specific engineering involved, the engineer
Speaker 8: will probably want to come out, for example, and have
Speaker 8: a look at the bearing of the hole you dig
Speaker 8: for the new post. I presume what you're doing is
Speaker 8: putting in a new post. If you're extending the span
Speaker 8: of the beam or the lintel that's supporting the deck,
Speaker 8: they may want to come and have a look at
Speaker 8: that to make sure that it's the right one. So
Speaker 8: typically they would have done a PS one for the
Speaker 8: design produce a statement, and then to close off the
Speaker 8: work from the engineer's point of view, they will offer
Speaker 8: up a PS four after they've inspected the work to
Speaker 8: go actually you have done it correctly. So for example,
Speaker 8: if I don't know, let's say it's a double three
Speaker 8: hundred by fifty is the new lintel, but they were
Speaker 8: short on that down the road, and your builder picked
Speaker 8: up two two fifties and put them in instead, and
Speaker 8: when she'll be right, the engineer should pick that up,
Speaker 8: and so should the council inspector. So I would say
Speaker 8: that your first inspection is likely to be when the
Speaker 8: whole is dug for the new post, and council will
Speaker 8: need to inspect that, and then your engineer most likely
Speaker 8: will want to have a look at that as well,
Speaker 8: which I know sounds like a lot of work, but yeah, I.
Speaker 16: Want it done properly. Yeah yeah, so okay, no, that's great.
Speaker 8: And then there's things like you know, like counsel will
Speaker 8: probably want to keep the receipt for the concrete because
Speaker 8: if again, if for example, its specified as twenty MPa,
Speaker 8: which is the strength of the concrete and a particular
Speaker 8: type of mix, they'll they'll want proof that that's the
Speaker 8: concrete that went in.
Speaker 16: Right, okay, these sorts of things in terms of right.
Speaker 16: In terms of the LBP, he will actually sign that,
Speaker 16: he will supervise it and sign that work off.
Speaker 8: The LBP would will need to give a record of
Speaker 8: work at the end of the job, so they'll and
Speaker 8: and they'll just say if for example, they only did
Speaker 8: the supervision, they'll just tick. There's a sort of a
Speaker 8: pro former type sheet that you can get and download
Speaker 8: it from the internet and go, you know, footings, tick
Speaker 8: and then supervised and then a brief description of what
Speaker 8: the work is. And you'll need that for the final inspection.
Speaker 8: You'll certainly need that, So i'd encourage you as soon
Speaker 8: as the job's finished, get the final inspection, get get
Speaker 8: that passed, and then submit for your CCC straightaway, just
Speaker 8: just to close the contract.
Speaker 16: The final inspection is done by the LBP.
Speaker 8: No final inspection will be done by the council. So
Speaker 8: the council will come along and when the job's done,
Speaker 8: they'll check things like the post and the beam and
Speaker 8: the connections and all the rest of it in any
Speaker 8: other consent conditions, and then if it's a pass on
Speaker 8: the final inspection, they'll they'll send you an email that
Speaker 8: says yep, final inspection done and then you submit for
Speaker 8: a CCC and that's your responsibility as the homeowner.
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, excellent, thank you very much.
Speaker 8: All I can say, and I've changed my opinion on
Speaker 8: this quite a bit over the years, is do the
Speaker 8: CCC as quickly as you can and get it out
Speaker 8: of the way, and don't put it in the in
Speaker 8: the drawer and go. I'll get round to that later on.
Speaker 8: Just crack and get it done and get it so off.
Speaker 8: All right, mate, all the best of you, take care.
Speaker 8: And in that sense, I think some people last year
Speaker 8: on the show, people were talking about getting a letter
Speaker 8: from councils from the territorial authority after a final inspection
Speaker 8: saying you've got six weeks to do the CCC. And
Speaker 8: I went through and had I tried to find something
Speaker 8: in law that says that you need to do it
Speaker 8: within that period of time. I couldn't find anything. I'm
Speaker 8: happy to be corrected if there is.
Speaker 9: A requirement.
Speaker 8: In terms of a timeline, because the other issue is
Speaker 8: that if you don't do it and then I think
Speaker 8: after is it a year? I think it might be
Speaker 8: a year after the final inspection. You can't submit without
Speaker 8: doing another final inspection, which opens you up to the
Speaker 8: possibility that something else will be found. I know complicated.
Speaker 8: A seven eight Here at US talk C B eight
Speaker 8: hundred eighty is the number to call. We'll talked to Charlotte.
Speaker 8: Hello Charlotte.
Speaker 14: Oh Hi, good morning, Pete, thanks so much. Good morning.
Speaker 14: I'm in Auckland and I have a question please about
Speaker 14: whether a consent was required for a building was required
Speaker 14: for a garage conversion. So we bought the property that
Speaker 14: were in in Red March, and there have been a
Speaker 14: number of repairs, including a large deck that they get
Speaker 14: a building consent, and it was also a garage conversion.
Speaker 14: Now they had taken out the garage door and replaced
Speaker 14: it with a wall and window, and on the side
Speaker 14: the wall that faces out into the garden, they'd taken
Speaker 14: that window out and put in double bifol doors and
Speaker 14: there's garage carpet in there. And it was advertised as
Speaker 14: possible teenage hangout or a place for an office, but
Speaker 14: in their photographs and also in the open home inspections,
Speaker 14: it was dressed as a bedroom with a very nice bed,
Speaker 14: bedside table. Pictures on the wall, and so on three
Speaker 14: weeks after we moved in, it flooded, flooded quite badly.
Speaker 14: It was during the over easter. There was a lot
Speaker 14: of rain in Auckland, and when the remediators came and
Speaker 14: cut out the wall, they said, wow, that wall where
Speaker 14: the garage door would have been has no waterproofing in
Speaker 14: it at all. So the water, instead of going into
Speaker 14: the little drain and drain grill, just went straight through
Speaker 14: into the property. So I'm just working on sorting things
Speaker 14: out at the moment, and I am hoping that I
Speaker 14: can get the vendor to a for the repairs, because
Speaker 14: I just got quite a hefty quote here that says
Speaker 14: that wall has to come out the completely changed before
Speaker 14: we can go ahead and get the insurance work done.
Speaker 14: And I just wondered you had any opinions on that.
Speaker 9: Funnily enough, I do so.
Speaker 13: I think.
Speaker 8: So you purchased this house how long ago.
Speaker 14: Moved in three weeks for the flooding in late.
Speaker 13: March three.
Speaker 8: This year, Okay, and did the was the vendor the
Speaker 8: person who did the change of use for the garage,
Speaker 8: like converted it from a garage to habitable space. Yes,
Speaker 8: And that wasn't declared on the sale and purchase agreement.
Speaker 14: You mean as a as a consented change.
Speaker 9: Well, was it consented?
Speaker 14: No, there was no there. As I say, they did
Speaker 14: get a building consent. I've got all the property papers
Speaker 14: from council and obviously a live report, and there is
Speaker 14: a building consent for the for the deck that they built,
Speaker 14: but nothing for the garage. Now, the real estate agent
Speaker 14: told me that they had been told by the vendor
Speaker 14: that the consent.
Speaker 13: Was not needed.
Speaker 14: Uhhh no, absolutely not. I've actually got that in a
Speaker 14: in a text from the real Well, I'd hold on
Speaker 14: to that flooding and said, look this has happened, and
Speaker 14: he said, because well, yeah, that's basically what he said.
Speaker 8: Okay, I guess where I'm slightly flabbergasted is that, you know,
Speaker 8: I don't know any I don't know any professional who
Speaker 8: would say you don't need a consent for a change
Speaker 8: of use.
Speaker 9: Right, we all know, right.
Speaker 8: I would have expected more from the real estate agent
Speaker 8: in terms of they should know that. It's pretty basic
Speaker 8: building knowledge. So I would hang on to that text
Speaker 8: because you might need that in evidence. And yeah, look
Speaker 8: if the work was if it was a garage and
Speaker 8: it was converted and it's now a habitable space, and
Speaker 8: it was sold as a habitable space. Can I also
Speaker 8: very delicately asked, did you get a pre purchase inspection
Speaker 8: before settling on the property.
Speaker 14: Interestingly enough that there were no comments made on that space,
Speaker 14: But he in his report he thought it was a bedroom.
Speaker 14: He reported the property as a four bedroom rather than
Speaker 14: a three bedroom space, so he actually.
Speaker 8: This was on the pre purchase report. So the person
Speaker 8: undertaking the pre purchase report on your behalf, which you've
Speaker 8: paid for, didn't raise a question about has this got
Speaker 8: a building consent? No, he didn't to be Look, I'll
Speaker 8: be really honest. That's really poor, right, So I think
Speaker 8: that again, you know, a reasonable level of diligence or
Speaker 8: knowledge would say that someone undertaking pre purchase reports as
Speaker 8: a business should have highlighted to you, Hey, you know
Speaker 8: because on the original building plans it might be still
Speaker 8: at council, it'll show the house and a garage, right,
Speaker 8: and what you've got now is a house without that
Speaker 8: garage and with an extra bedroom.
Speaker 14: So that with respace. And the argument was, yes, it
Speaker 14: was advertised with a bet edit, but that it wasn't
Speaker 14: necessarily because it had garage. It now has garage carpet
Speaker 14: on it, that maybe it's just like a man cave
Speaker 14: or something like that, and therefore didn't need a building consent.
Speaker 8: It absolutely needs a building consent.
Speaker 14: Right, all right, that's really interesting.
Speaker 9: In my opinion.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm happy to be challenged on it, but
Speaker 8: in my opinion it would have done. If I was
Speaker 8: acting for you, I would probably say to you, we
Speaker 8: need to do more research on that. Go and get
Speaker 8: the property file, find out and find out whether there
Speaker 8: was a building consent for this. Otherwise, Yeah, have you
Speaker 8: had any discussions with your lawyers about who you might
Speaker 8: take action against?
Speaker 13: I am about to.
Speaker 14: Do that actually over this weekend. And now that I've
Speaker 14: got this body of knowledge and just listening to you
Speaker 14: this morning, I thought I would, yeah, get you call,
Speaker 14: because I was starting to feel very strongly that I
Speaker 14: needed one.
Speaker 13: But of course, you can start to.
Speaker 14: Get quite subjective about these things, so I thought it
Speaker 14: could be useful just to hear your point of view.
Speaker 8: I tell you what, just as a as a sort
Speaker 8: of an interesting exercise on your and I might do
Speaker 8: the same. There's a if you go to the MBI website,
Speaker 8: there's can I build it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 8: And it's like a flow chart thing. Yes, no, yes, snow, ye, snow.
Speaker 8: So you could you could go find that online type
Speaker 8: in converting a garage to a bedroom and see whether
Speaker 8: it tells you to have a building consent. That's that's
Speaker 8: how straightforward it is. I'm going to do that during
Speaker 8: the break as well. But in my opinion, I think
Speaker 8: that it needed a building consent. And part of the
Speaker 8: reason is that the building consent would have picked up
Speaker 8: things like how easy is it for this building to flood? Right,
Speaker 8: so what is the floor level, what's the drainage, what's
Speaker 8: the waterproofing around it, like etcetera, etcetera, And those sorts
Speaker 8: of things would have been picked up in the building consent,
Speaker 8: and it's less likely that would have flooded. Lots of
Speaker 8: places that had building consents still flooded during those floods,
Speaker 8: so you know, it's not a guarantee that it won't flood,
Speaker 8: but it will certainly help you. So look in my opinion,
Speaker 8: and to be fair, and someone just text this as well.
Speaker 8: A little bit surprised that your lawyer didn't pick it
Speaker 8: up as well, yes, which is a bit challenging. So
Speaker 8: right now you've got the vendor who possibly has been deceptive,
Speaker 8: the agent who's been not particularly well informed, a pre
Speaker 8: purchased inspection person who has let you down, I think,
Speaker 8: and and potentially a lawyer who should have picked that
Speaker 8: up as well in doing the due diligence.
Speaker 13: All right, I really appreciate your Sorry, it's.
Speaker 8: Not great news, but help me make this one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: Please let us know how you get on. Take care
Speaker 8: all the very best you, Charlotte, take care byeey right.
Speaker 8: We'll be back after the break with Winston. If you
Speaker 8: have got a question of a building nature, Oh eight
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1: Measure twice God was, but maybe call Pete first your
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Speaker 8: I had a look on the Can I Build a
Speaker 8: website and it doesn't actually have any specific information there
Speaker 8: about conversions. But interestingly enough, I'm reading an extract from
Speaker 8: the Auckland Council website converting non habitable spaces to habitable Spaces.
Speaker 8: The purpose of this practice note is to describe how
Speaker 8: residential building can sent applications involving the conversion of non
Speaker 8: habitable spaces to a habitable space should be assessed for compliance.
Speaker 8: This is for single household residential dwellings where people live
Speaker 8: as a single household or family. Does not apply to
Speaker 8: the creation of new separate residential places within an existing building.
Speaker 8: And it goes on to actually say there is not
Speaker 8: actually a change of use requirement here, but it does
Speaker 8: go on to talk about building code requirements, and I
Speaker 8: hope more of a look on that. That's going to
Speaker 8: be particularly relevant to Charlotte As to whether or not
Speaker 8: the work needed a building consent. My sense is that
Speaker 8: it really should have got a building consent.
Speaker 9: Do we have time for.
Speaker 8: Winston like a minute, Let's see how we go Winston.
Speaker 9: Very quick question from you, sir.
Speaker 17: Okay, hi pety. I'm so I've got a walk in
Speaker 17: hospital shower and I want to put a kryl uh
Speaker 17: pod your place to go liner, Yes, on top of.
Speaker 8: It, yep, on top of it or sort of in
Speaker 8: the same place. So I'm in the same place.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 17: I'm like, uh, you know, liveling self living concrete one plumber, Yeah,
Speaker 17: extend the waist, can sell. It's a system drop. It's
Speaker 17: like a wishing well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sure, that sort of work because it's a pre formed
Speaker 8: shower tray, right, and I presume you're also going to
Speaker 8: have an acryltic liner, and then the doors are all
Speaker 8: part of the kit. Typically that work doesn't require a
Speaker 8: building consent, right, because the waterproofing is integral in the system.
Speaker 8: Where people often get tripped up is going the other way.
Speaker 8: Let's say, having a conventional shower and then wanting to
Speaker 8: take that out and having a level entry tiled shower
Speaker 8: with waterproofing and so on, and that typically triggers a
Speaker 8: requirement for a building consent. So I think the fact
Speaker 8: that you're going the other way means that you don't
Speaker 8: have to worry too much about getting a consent.
Speaker 17: For that, okay, And do you think the self leveling
Speaker 17: conquer will bridge that it goes from nothing to system
Speaker 17: milk the wasters can handle it, or does.
Speaker 8: It You might have to do a couple of layers.
Speaker 8: Just have a look at the actual speifications as to
Speaker 8: how much depth you can do there. If it's on
Speaker 8: a concrete floor, I'd probably feel quite confident about it.
Speaker 8: If you're doing floor leveling compound on top of timber,
Speaker 8: I'd say just frame it up and timber back.
Speaker 9: After the news doing.
Speaker 1: On the house storting the garden, asked Pete for a
Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcab call oh eight
Speaker 1: eight news talks'bye news talks.
Speaker 8: They'd be just gone seven minutes after eight. We are
Speaker 8: taking your calls on all things building right up till
Speaker 8: eight thirty this morning. Then we're going to jump into
Speaker 8: the garden with the climb past and talk all things
Speaker 8: gardening and the wonderful world of bugs as well the
Speaker 8: other sort of there's all sorts of topics out there.
Speaker 8: There's so much discussion in the public sphere, let's say,
Speaker 8: around building and construction and energy efficiency and regulations and
Speaker 8: so on.
Speaker 9: At the moment that.
Speaker 8: From time to time I just want to kind of
Speaker 8: focus in on one or two of those issues that's
Speaker 8: out there, and this was It's been a bit of
Speaker 8: a pardoner the pun. It's been a bit of a
Speaker 8: hot topic over the summer about homeowners in fairly new
Speaker 8: townhouses reporting that you know, it's thirty odd degrees. There's
Speaker 8: a photograph on the article that I'm looking at at
Speaker 8: nine four minutes after nine in January in Auckland and
Speaker 8: it's thirty degrees inside somebody's bedroom. Now that's intolerable. Rights
Speaker 8: you can like warm, but that's crazy. And these new houses,
Speaker 8: so are they new houses that have got lots of
Speaker 8: insulation in them? Are they new houses that there's been
Speaker 8: sort of inadequate thought around heating and ventilation and overheating.
Speaker 8: So what's going on here? And to get a bit
Speaker 8: of an insight into this thought, I'd reach out to Storm,
Speaker 8: who has been on the show before, and we kind
Speaker 8: of bump into each other at different conferences around the place.
Speaker 8: Storm Harpen A very good morning.
Speaker 14: To you morning, Pet.
Speaker 1: How are you very well?
Speaker 8: Now the term expert is bandied around a little bit
Speaker 8: too much, but I am quite happy to refer to
Speaker 8: you as a ventilation expert because I've seen the stuff
Speaker 8: that you write about and it's fantastic and it's well
Speaker 8: informed and well researched. So over the summer and it's
Speaker 8: been great. We've had a glorious, nice, hot summer in
Speaker 8: Auckland anyway. But if you're sitting in a townhouse that's
Speaker 8: relatively new and it's thirty degrees in your bedroom at
Speaker 8: nine o'clock at night, what do you think is happening?
Speaker 7: Well, there's probably a few things happening there, and you've
Speaker 7: called out a couple of them already. Obviously we're concerned
Speaker 7: in these buls in particular. But what it really is
Speaker 7: is throughout the course of the day, we've put heat
Speaker 7: into the space, right, and that heat can come from
Speaker 7: multiple things. So the biggest one that we typically care
Speaker 7: heat coming into a home from is some coming in
Speaker 7: from outside. And so the guys who are suffering the
Speaker 7: most typically have north and west spacing, big window, big
Speaker 7: glazing areas, and as that sun's coming in, it heats
Speaker 7: up the air. We also do things inside our house
Speaker 7: living cooking, because that actually we have temperature too. We're
Speaker 7: always letting off temperature so we're doing all of these
Speaker 7: different things as well as that sun Now, what there
Speaker 7: was a big concern about, in particular with newtownhouses is
Speaker 7: that we're now trapping some of that heat. And we
Speaker 7: have to be really careful when we talk about trapping
Speaker 7: heat because trapping heat is something we actually want to
Speaker 7: intentionally do when we get to winter, right, we want
Speaker 7: to keep that warmth in, and so we have well
Speaker 7: insulated spaces that keep heat in, but we want to
Speaker 7: do that essentially, but interestingly they also keep heat out.
Speaker 7: Now that's when you're bringing heat through the walls the windows.
Speaker 7: On the other hand, that's sold the game that's coming
Speaker 7: straight through the window, So you've got that sunlight coming
Speaker 7: and that's when you get that heat. So some of
Speaker 7: the things we need to do. The biggest one, first
Speaker 7: off is actually get some extra air coming in from
Speaker 7: outside because when outside is cooler than inside, that's when
Speaker 7: you can get something called free cooling. So that is
Speaker 7: the one that I think has been one of the
Speaker 7: biggest challenges is that we can no longer open our
Speaker 7: windows enough to provide submission ventilation to balance our house
Speaker 7: with outside.
Speaker 8: Can we just have a look at that, because I
Speaker 8: think This is one of the well unintended consequences of
Speaker 8: two parts of legislation. So typically, if you've got a
Speaker 8: habitable space like a bedroom, there's a requirement that five
Speaker 8: percent you calculate five percent of the floor space has
Speaker 8: to be an opening window. Right, So you take that space,
Speaker 8: you create a window. For argument's sake, that's a meter biometer,
Speaker 8: the assumption being that you can open it, yes, and
Speaker 8: have a met biometer of ventilation coming into that space,
Speaker 8: until you realize that actually you can fall further than
Speaker 8: a meter or it's a certain distance off the ground,
Speaker 8: and then you have to put a restricted stay on it,
Speaker 8: which means it can only open a maximum of one
Speaker 8: hundred millimeters. So how these two parts of legislation are
Speaker 8: fighting each other, aren't they?
Speaker 14: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 7: You've got you've got two parts of code there, you've
Speaker 7: got that, you've almost got three. The openable element and
Speaker 7: the sizing of your window is influenced by the ventilation
Speaker 7: and the daylighting code. So the daylighting code says you
Speaker 7: need this much light and a habitable space.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 7: The ventilation code says you need to open the windows,
Speaker 7: So you need to have a net openable area. That's
Speaker 7: the phrase. So it's the overall dimension, as you explained,
Speaker 7: one meter by one meter net openable area of five percent.
Speaker 7: But then you think about the types of windows we're using.
Speaker 7: We've got these awning windows that just open up at
Speaker 7: the bottom and so that themselves creates blockage of air
Speaker 7: coming in. You think of winds hitting that face of
Speaker 7: the building, the awning windows, one that you know swings
Speaker 7: out from the bottom and so that opens up the
Speaker 7: winds hitting that. And then as you said, you put
Speaker 7: those security stays on, and that's over in safety from
Speaker 7: fall length. It's technically in code part IF four, and
Speaker 7: that is looking at looking after our children. Really basically
Speaker 7: they want to make sure no kids can climb on
Speaker 7: anything inside, climb up to a window and essentially fall out.
Speaker 7: So that's where that one hundred milimeter comes from. And
Speaker 7: as you think about a townhouse and about our windows,
Speaker 7: obviously sliding glass doors on the loft floor, fine, anything
Speaker 7: on the upper story two point five meters up already, right,
Speaker 7: So that's all everything in your top story pretty much
Speaker 7: has to have a stay. There's an ability to climb
Speaker 7: up to that window inside anywhere that internal law area
Speaker 7: or if you have fair toilet below window right, then
Speaker 7: you also have to be with it in over seven
Speaker 7: hundred miles above that climbing element inside. Yes, So basically,
Speaker 7: what we've done, and it's an adjustment that the window
Speaker 7: manufacturers have done really sensibly, is most of the windows
Speaker 7: now come with security stays right, and the other layer
Speaker 7: of that is security itself on the left ground floor.
Speaker 7: We don't like leaving windows unlocked or unlatched, so we've
Speaker 7: got security staves downstairs too. So you've now got these
Speaker 7: windows that meant to be opening the full area theoretically
Speaker 7: by what we're calculating. Then we're gone, okay, the warning
Speaker 7: windows are opening left, and then we've restricted them down
Speaker 7: to one hundred miles. It's probably coming down to ten
Speaker 7: percent of the total area that you could have had opened.
Speaker 7: You just can't find its.
Speaker 14: Way in right right. The other yeah, I was gonna say, the.
Speaker 7: Other challenge is that we're also limiting the number of
Speaker 7: faces those windows are on, so townhouses and apartments in
Speaker 7: particular only have those windows on one face. And I've
Speaker 7: got this phrase that I've been using recently that I
Speaker 7: think is quite apt, and that's the air is lazy
Speaker 7: and shy, So as soon as air ends a space,
Speaker 7: it wants to find the quickest, easiest way back out
Speaker 7: of the house. And so if it does manage to
Speaker 7: get into the house, it wants to turn around and
Speaker 7: head straight back out. Now it needs a pathway through
Speaker 7: the house to get out. As you think about a
Speaker 7: townhouse with windows on the front and the back. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and you've shut your internal doors. We're asking air to
Speaker 7: come in, do a little dance in the room, and
Speaker 7: turn around and go back out the crowded entrance.
Speaker 14: That it just came in.
Speaker 8: Yea, yeah, yeah, that's a great paturechally.
Speaker 7: So we need that pathway for it to come in
Speaker 7: one side where the wind's setting it on that side.
Speaker 7: It comes in that side, that realizes a whole lot
Speaker 7: of people in behind it, and it wants to get out,
Speaker 7: and it wants to rush through to the other side
Speaker 7: of the building. So we actually need windows open on
Speaker 7: both sides of our houses for any chance of their
Speaker 7: air to pass through.
Speaker 8: In terms of design, I think I think it's reasonable
Speaker 8: to be critical of some designers who pay no attention
Speaker 8: to shading and sunlight angles and those sorts of things,
Speaker 8: and effectively buy their design create a situation where the
Speaker 8: temperature is going to be intolerable in that room so
Speaker 8: big northwest facing glazing with no overhang, so in the
Speaker 8: middle of summer, it's going to cook in there. And
Speaker 8: I think people need to start thinking critically about you know,
Speaker 8: if I'm going to buy this building, how is it
Speaker 8: going to perform in terms of shading and so on?
Speaker 8: But is there also part of it where as the
Speaker 8: occupants of the building, we don't know how to operate
Speaker 8: the building properly. So your example, for example, of a
Speaker 8: window open in a bedroom, but you close the door right,
Speaker 8: so there is no opportunity for ventilation, for cross ventilation
Speaker 8: in that building, even if it was designed to do that.
Speaker 8: We as the inhabitants, the operators of the machine, aren't
Speaker 8: aren't doing it properly.
Speaker 7: No, no, And actually operating a building is becoming more
Speaker 7: and more complex, and ventilation is probably one of those
Speaker 7: ones where we are most challenged. So windows are one thing,
Speaker 7: and that's all our code requires us to put in
Speaker 7: for fresh airs. We've got a few extra elements where
Speaker 7: if you can't open a window then it triggers a
Speaker 7: whole bunch of other rules. But if you have got
Speaker 7: openable windows the times you need to be opening them
Speaker 7: in the morning. It's overheating anyway, in the morning, when
Speaker 7: it's still nice and cool outside, give your house a
Speaker 7: pre burst. Open as many windows up throughout the house
Speaker 7: as you can. I'd even in some instances run you
Speaker 7: extractor fan. And what I'm doing there when I run
Speaker 7: my extractor fan, because I'm actually creating a pressured difference,
Speaker 7: so I'm creating a pull on the house. We now
Speaker 7: actively put in fans to help with that, and I'll
Speaker 7: talk to that in a moment. So you open all
Speaker 7: the windows up, and then as it gets hotter and
Speaker 7: hotter outside, you want to shut your windows. So as
Speaker 7: you get to the warmer part of the day and
Speaker 7: the temperature outside becomes higher than your house, you want
Speaker 7: to shut your windows because this is when your insulation
Speaker 7: is actually going to be helping you. So you shut
Speaker 7: your windows. You possibly even shut your curtains on the
Speaker 7: windows that are facing the sun. And if you've got
Speaker 7: external loovers that you can rotate, if the designer has
Speaker 7: put them in for you, you can block out their
Speaker 7: outside sun. So it's better to block the sun before
Speaker 7: it gets in through what we call your thermal enveloping,
Speaker 7: any lining that's scentulated, so anything you can rotate block
Speaker 7: do that then. And then as you get later in
Speaker 7: the day and that temperature outside falls again. Now I'm
Speaker 7: not worried about the sun. You keep blocking that as
Speaker 7: long as you can if you're worried about overheating. But
Speaker 7: there's a tempature outside falls, that's when you go back
Speaker 7: and you open all your things back up, maybe six
Speaker 7: pm five six pm in Auckland some parts to the south.
Speaker 7: I know that, say Dunedin stays bright and warm quite
Speaker 7: a lot later over the summer, longer days over summer,
Speaker 7: shorter days over winter, so they might leave it a
Speaker 7: little bit later in the day. But you're looking for
Speaker 7: when outside is now more comfortable than inside. If you've
Speaker 7: got shading right, you shouldn't actually need to worry. But
Speaker 7: if you haven't, that's when you open your windows back
Speaker 7: up again. And it would be running around making sure
Speaker 7: you've got it on opposite sides of the home to
Speaker 7: get that cross flow. And then then there is this
Speaker 7: pressure difference we can actually implement inside our home. Basically,
Speaker 7: it's a little bit like gravity.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 7: It's that lazy ear. It's wants to roll downhill. So
Speaker 7: when if you've got a low pressure space, negative pressure
Speaker 7: basically like a vacuum cleaner, right, you create a low
Speaker 7: pressure using a vacuum sucks out of the space. So
Speaker 7: whever you've got a low pressure space, he is going
Speaker 7: to roll down hell towards that space. So we get
Speaker 7: high pressure spaces where wind hits one side of the building,
Speaker 7: it's pushing on the building, and we get low pressure
Speaker 7: zones on the opposite. Or if we have a bathroom
Speaker 7: fan as an example that's running and pulling air out
Speaker 7: of that bathroom, that can actually create that pressure difference,
Speaker 7: that low pressure zone to pull air through to it.
Speaker 7: And so we've got a lot of homes now you're
Speaker 7: starting to see something called continuous extract fans go in
Speaker 7: and those are really good because they create a continuous
Speaker 7: pressure difference to help pull the air through your house
Speaker 7: and in a direction we want it to, because we
Speaker 7: want to take anything out of our dirty spaces, our bathroom,
Speaker 7: our laundry, our kitchen, that's where we create most of
Speaker 7: our MUCKs. And then we want air to come back
Speaker 7: into our bedroom. So you've got a window open in
Speaker 7: the bedroom and a fan pulling air out of the room.
Speaker 7: That's where we create this wonderful goes in. Let's go
Speaker 7: over and behind it. It wants to get out of
Speaker 7: this space as fast as possible. It's lazy and shy,
Speaker 7: and it's saying, hey, come out here. This is the
Speaker 7: exit sign. The continuous extract fan is pulling her out
Speaker 7: of the bathroom.
Speaker 8: And those continuous extract fans, you know, like if I
Speaker 8: go into my bathroom and I turn the fan on,
Speaker 8: I can hear it right and it's, you know, it's
Speaker 8: it's doing its job. It's sucking all of that moisty
Speaker 8: are out of the bathroom because I've had a shower.
Speaker 8: But it's, you know, to be fair, it's it's a
Speaker 8: little bit noisy. I can hear it running and that.
Speaker 9: Sort of thing.
Speaker 8: So it's working, but it's not the sort of thing
Speaker 8: that i'd want on all of the time. I think
Speaker 8: what you're talking about, the continuous extract ones, they're running
Speaker 8: at a lower rate and they're much quieter and so
Speaker 8: that they're not intrusive. Is that how I how I
Speaker 8: see far far less and true.
Speaker 7: To them and well designed ones you won't you won't
Speaker 7: notice at all when they're running in their continuous mode. Yes,
Speaker 7: so you're right, they are at a loss. I mean
Speaker 7: that's actually something hod lets us do. Right, So we've
Speaker 7: got and the numbers, and the numbers do matter to me,
Speaker 7: but probably matter a little bit less for our audience.
Speaker 7: It's twenty five liters a second with an intimate, and
Speaker 7: intimated is one where you can choose when, and that's
Speaker 7: something that what we wish all of our occupants remember
Speaker 7: to turn their fans on for long enough, including when
Speaker 7: we shower. We we just we're human. Maybe we're leaving
Speaker 7: the house straight after our shower. Maybe we're about to
Speaker 7: go to bed and as a noisy fan, so we
Speaker 7: turn the fan off, or we don't turn it on
Speaker 7: at all because baby sleeping in the other room, or
Speaker 7: some got night shift, so we leave it off, and
Speaker 7: then we create that moisture in that space. And if
Speaker 7: we haven't got a negative pressure or removing air from
Speaker 7: that space, then that moisture can leak out into our house.
Speaker 7: So we've now got these continuous fans, and so that's there.
Speaker 7: Intimate one twenty five liters a second. The continuous one
Speaker 7: are ten liters a second, so well under half of
Speaker 7: what you have was the twenty five, the intimateate one,
Speaker 7: and that means you're actually able to run a quieter,
Speaker 7: smaller fan for those bathrooms and so that then runs
Speaker 7: all the time. There's little negative pressure. And as I said,
Speaker 7: the well designed ones, it doesn't always happen that way.
Speaker 7: You do get unfortunately for design, even in ventilation. But
Speaker 7: the well designed ones, you should barely hear is not
Speaker 7: not here at all, and definitely when you're not in
Speaker 7: that room, it shouldn't bleed out from that space. So
Speaker 7: it runs continuously and it actually takes away that that
Speaker 7: challenge where we don't know how to operate our houses
Speaker 7: as well. So it will keep moving air and we
Speaker 7: can we can almost forget and it's great for rentals
Speaker 7: and any builds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's I find it a fascinating space. And
Speaker 8: I think it's you know your comment about the shutters
Speaker 8: and the shading, and I'm thinking about walking through. In fact,
Speaker 8: one of our earlier callers was talking about heading off
Speaker 8: to France shortly and you go somewhere like that where
Speaker 8: they do have you know, warm, hot, long dry summers,
Speaker 8: and you can see the shutters on the outside of
Speaker 8: the building and you go well, how isn't that such
Speaker 8: a sensible solution to a really obvious problem That you've
Speaker 8: got a shutter that during the day you could leave
Speaker 8: the window open for ventilation but close the old wooden shutter,
Speaker 8: which you know will still allow aaron but keeps the
Speaker 8: sun out. It's it's fantastically well start.
Speaker 4: To see that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I hope so, I hope so, because we
Speaker 7: do need to adjust our windows for that because the shutter,
Speaker 7: but I hope we will with yes, it doesn't work
Speaker 7: so well. Yeah, But the other one is, yeah, even
Speaker 7: you go to Australia, right and you see these little
Speaker 7: details coming down from the eaves of the building where
Speaker 7: they've got like they're like vertical lines or like decoration,
Speaker 7: and they actually create some shading lower down. And that's
Speaker 7: wonderful because in some of the sun sits higher than
Speaker 7: in winter, so it stops that angle pitting your windows
Speaker 7: through the middle of the day. When the sun's lower
Speaker 7: in winter, it actually bypasses those shades, which means you
Speaker 7: get all the sun hitting your window. The other really
Speaker 7: really cool thing you see over in Europe and in
Speaker 7: parts of Australia and New Zealand is you can actually
Speaker 7: use natural planting to help the deciduous plants.
Speaker 15: Okay, because summer.
Speaker 7: Spring all the leaves come out, they grow, they become bushy,
Speaker 7: and that blocks the sun. I think a wonderful grape
Speaker 7: vine on a purglar yeah, or a.
Speaker 8: Nice bogan villi or something like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you sat under them, and they're shady, and they've
Speaker 7: blot the you know, they rattle of them in the breeze.
Speaker 7: It's just that wonderful environment of the summer. You know,
Speaker 7: the winter the leaves will fall off and they have
Speaker 7: this still have their elegance, but the sun's coming through.
Speaker 7: So you can do a lot with the natural environment
Speaker 7: as well, but obviously not in all our spaces.
Speaker 8: I think what's helpful, hopefully with the discussions that's sort
Speaker 8: of in the public sphere at the moment, and I
Speaker 8: know you've been kind of driving some of that as well,
Speaker 8: is around I suppose a more nuanced understanding of how
Speaker 8: our buildings actually perform and what we need to do
Speaker 8: to operate them. I think the idea of sort of
Speaker 8: operator era or an operator guide for our houses is
Speaker 8: something that we've kind of almost forgotten about. So thank
Speaker 8: you very much for being part of that discussion, and
Speaker 8: for I love that insight around areas lazy and shy
Speaker 8: is a great image to hold in mind when you
Speaker 8: think about how why is my room getting so hot?
Speaker 8: And what can I do to mitigate that or control
Speaker 8: that in some way? Storm thank you very much for
Speaker 8: joining us this morning. Enjoy you long weekend. Sorry to
Speaker 8: interrupt it right smack bang in the middle, and we'll
Speaker 8: talk again soon, undoubtedly.
Speaker 17: Thank all of this.
Speaker 9: Take care.
Speaker 8: Storm Half from actually works at Simmis who make fans,
Speaker 8: but does a lot of research and a lot of writing.
Speaker 8: If you want to know about ventilation or you want
Speaker 8: to read some art, just search for Storm Half. It's
Speaker 8: haarp Ham, number of articles on LinkedIn and various sort
Speaker 8: of building blogs around the place, and it's good information.
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