WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 01 June 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.655 You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 0:00:10.895 --> 0:00:15.495 from News Talk said baby squeaky door or squeaky floor. 0:00:15.695 --> 0:00:18.975 Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, The Resident Builder 0:00:19.215 --> 0:00:20.495 on news Talk said, by. 0:00:24.055 --> 0:00:29.855 The house sizzoro, even when it's dark, even when the 0:00:29.935 --> 0:00:35.575 grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog. 0:00:35.535 --> 0:00:39.695 Is too old to borrow, And when you're sitting at 0:00:39.735 --> 0:00:41.255 the table trying not. 0:00:41.455 --> 0:00:42.375 To stop. 0:00:43.975 --> 0:01:03.775 Scissor hole, even when we again, even when you're there, house. 0:01:03.455 --> 0:01:06.015 Sizzle hole, even when there's go. 0:01:07.655 --> 0:01:09.935 Even when you go around from the mornes. 0:01:10.015 --> 0:01:11.255 You love your most. 0:01:12.855 --> 0:01:15.695 Scream broken pans appeeing in fund. 0:01:17.975 --> 0:01:25.695 Locals Westrong when they're gone leaving never has even when 0:01:25.895 --> 0:01:39.095 will then, even when you're in there alone. 0:01:31.695 --> 0:01:41.975 Yeah, and a very very good morning and welcome along 0:01:42.015 --> 0:01:45.215 to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete 0:01:45.215 --> 0:01:47.575 wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, And this is hey just 0:01:47.615 --> 0:01:50.655 by the way, the first of June. Already know, I 0:01:50.655 --> 0:01:53.135 know the year is racing along. I trust that you've 0:01:53.175 --> 0:01:56.135 had an opportunity, perhaps over the long weekend, not that 0:01:56.215 --> 0:01:59.015 the long weekend is over Tomorrow is a public holiday 0:01:59.055 --> 0:02:03.935 of course, to oh maybe even do what I did yesterday, 0:02:03.975 --> 0:02:07.655 which was actually get stuck into the workshop, had a 0:02:07.695 --> 0:02:10.215 reasonably early hour of the morning's around than sort of 0:02:10.295 --> 0:02:12.335 lolling around for a bit. I thought, right, I've got 0:02:12.335 --> 0:02:15.135 things to do. I want to get them done. I'm 0:02:15.175 --> 0:02:17.535 into the workshop. And at the end of the day, 0:02:17.615 --> 0:02:20.175 after having sort of loaded the trailer and taken a 0:02:20.175 --> 0:02:24.775 whole lot of stuff around to the resource recovery center 0:02:26.015 --> 0:02:29.135 and put that in the appropriate piles hard fill in 0:02:29.215 --> 0:02:32.215 one part, metal in another part, timber and another part, 0:02:32.575 --> 0:02:35.295 and a general bag of rubbish that unfortunately will go 0:02:35.335 --> 0:02:40.375 to landfill, came home, looked around the workshop and thought, actually, 0:02:40.415 --> 0:02:42.535 it feels quite good. A little bit more space, a 0:02:42.575 --> 0:02:47.295 little bit more ordered, and hopefully a little bit more productive. 0:02:47.375 --> 0:02:52.975 So you can't underestimate I think the power of having 0:02:54.175 --> 0:02:56.295 just a little bit of order. And I think if 0:02:56.295 --> 0:02:59.055 you look at people working in general, and if you 0:02:59.055 --> 0:03:01.855 look at trades people working, there are those for whom 0:03:01.975 --> 0:03:05.295 it feels like, you know, it looks like everything is 0:03:05.375 --> 0:03:07.935 just scattered from from one end of the job site 0:03:07.975 --> 0:03:11.495 to the other. There's gear everywhere, there's tools. Just I 0:03:11.535 --> 0:03:13.775 went to a job Oh do you I hope the 0:03:13.815 --> 0:03:15.775 people aren't listening. I went to a job the other day, 0:03:16.935 --> 0:03:18.695 and at the end of the day, the builders obviously 0:03:18.855 --> 0:03:21.855 when it's time to go, like literally unclip the apron, 0:03:21.975 --> 0:03:23.575 drop it on the ground and walk out the door. 0:03:24.455 --> 0:03:26.695 It was in the middle of the floor, and I'm 0:03:26.695 --> 0:03:31.015 like I would I would probably just put it to 0:03:31.055 --> 0:03:33.415 one side, right, you know, I have a bit of 0:03:33.455 --> 0:03:34.895 a sweep up at the end of the day, have 0:03:34.935 --> 0:03:37.895 a bit of a tidy up, and then the next 0:03:37.895 --> 0:03:40.935 morning when you arrive it feels like you're ready to work, 0:03:41.095 --> 0:03:43.015 is my feeling. And I think it's the same round 0:03:43.135 --> 0:03:45.935 the house. Look, I can say these things, but nine 0:03:45.975 --> 0:03:48.655 times out of ten my shed looks like a disaster 0:03:48.735 --> 0:03:50.095 zone as well. But it was good to be in 0:03:50.135 --> 0:03:53.095 there yesterday, which was great. So if you've got a 0:03:53.095 --> 0:03:55.615 project on that you would like to talk about, you 0:03:55.695 --> 0:03:58.415 can call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We can 0:03:58.455 --> 0:04:05.015 talk all things building, construction, legislation, rules, regulations right through 0:04:05.135 --> 0:04:08.335 till just a bit after eight o'clock. Then we're going 0:04:08.375 --> 0:04:10.055 to have a bit of a catch up with Storm Harpham, 0:04:10.095 --> 0:04:14.175 who has been on the show before. I first encountered 0:04:14.215 --> 0:04:16.815 Storm at a I think it was New Zealand's suit 0:04:16.855 --> 0:04:21.415 of Building Surveys conference she's presenting on ventilation. She is, 0:04:21.575 --> 0:04:26.295 in my opinion, a ventilation expert. And so it's been 0:04:26.335 --> 0:04:28.135 in the paper and it's been in the news a 0:04:28.135 --> 0:04:31.015 little bit over the last little while, including a comment 0:04:31.175 --> 0:04:34.415 sort of off the cuff comment from Chris Penk, the 0:04:34.535 --> 0:04:38.295 Minister for Building and Construction, at a conference that I 0:04:38.335 --> 0:04:40.775 was at a couple of weeks ago, where he was saying, look, 0:04:40.775 --> 0:04:44.655 you know we've we've had the leaky building crisis. Now 0:04:44.655 --> 0:04:47.295 we're starting to have a crisis where houses are overheating 0:04:48.095 --> 0:04:50.335 and sort of you know, we're sweating from the inside out. 0:04:51.055 --> 0:04:53.175 And there's been lots of stories over the summer. We've 0:04:53.215 --> 0:04:56.575 had a great summer about houses, townhouses, brand new builds 0:04:56.655 --> 0:05:00.175 right that are thirty five degrees in the bedroom at 0:05:00.215 --> 0:05:03.615 six o'clock in the evening and what's causing that? What 0:05:03.655 --> 0:05:05.895 can we do about it? So Storm is going to 0:05:05.975 --> 0:05:09.215 join us after eight o'clock. Of course after eight point 0:05:09.215 --> 0:05:11.855 thirty we're into the garden with th red climb pasted 0:05:11.895 --> 0:05:14.815 as well. But right now your opportunity to have your 0:05:14.855 --> 0:05:19.815 say on anything around building construction, new products, new ideas, 0:05:20.255 --> 0:05:25.175 working with tradespeople and another fascinating story that popped up 0:05:25.255 --> 0:05:27.375 during the course of the week was an article. 0:05:27.415 --> 0:05:29.135 It was a piece. 0:05:28.855 --> 0:05:33.215 Of research from Brands, the Building Research Association of New Zealand, 0:05:34.535 --> 0:05:39.895 and they published a list of how which trades have 0:05:40.055 --> 0:05:44.575 to come back to repair work and in an order. Right, so, 0:05:44.815 --> 0:05:47.975 who was the what trade is the most called back? 0:05:48.455 --> 0:05:51.535 And it didn't quite in the article that I read 0:05:51.575 --> 0:05:54.415 had too much of the detail on it. What I 0:05:54.455 --> 0:05:58.495 found intriguing was quite a way down the list was 0:05:59.055 --> 0:06:03.735 plumbers who didn't get called back that often, but when 0:06:03.775 --> 0:06:07.815 they did it was for product failure, be an item 0:06:07.855 --> 0:06:12.735 that they installed has failed, rather than their workmanship has failed. 0:06:13.135 --> 0:06:13.535 Either way. 0:06:13.615 --> 0:06:15.535 I think there's a lot in that. I was quite 0:06:15.535 --> 0:06:21.495 surprised at how many callbacks there are. Someone has emailed 0:06:21.535 --> 0:06:24.495 me the article as well. I saw the article online. 0:06:24.575 --> 0:06:26.215 I'll try and put it up on socials a little 0:06:26.215 --> 0:06:29.015 bit later on. The really good thing is during the 0:06:29.055 --> 0:06:30.295 course of the week, I'm actually going to do an 0:06:30.335 --> 0:06:33.975 interview with the researcher who compiled that, and we will 0:06:33.975 --> 0:06:37.455 have that interview next Sunday on the show. Right enough 0:06:37.455 --> 0:06:41.455 for me, it's your paint was number one. You're absolutely right, 0:06:41.575 --> 0:06:46.735 as are my producer. He's absolutely right, painter's call back 0:06:47.535 --> 0:06:49.895 kind of not surprising when you think about it, because 0:06:50.055 --> 0:06:53.255 you know, inevitably, and I think even in the interviews 0:06:53.295 --> 0:06:55.055 that I heard during the course of the week, you 0:06:55.095 --> 0:06:56.655 know the painter will get called back. 0:06:56.735 --> 0:06:57.815 Let's say, if. 0:06:58.015 --> 0:07:01.015 I don't know when the kitchen's being installed, the guy 0:07:01.095 --> 0:07:05.055 scrapes the wall, right, So technically that's a callback. At 0:07:05.135 --> 0:07:07.415 the end of the job, I tell you the one 0:07:07.935 --> 0:07:10.695 and oh, I'm going to cop in the neck from rufers. 0:07:11.095 --> 0:07:14.935 Rufer's got called back a lot, seemingly, way more than 0:07:14.975 --> 0:07:20.735 I would have expected. Seriously, I can't think of the 0:07:20.815 --> 0:07:23.455 last job that I have done and I'm going back 0:07:23.495 --> 0:07:26.375 to over the last twenty twenty five years where I've 0:07:26.375 --> 0:07:33.295 had to call back the rufer for something. Now, maybe 0:07:33.295 --> 0:07:35.575 you've got some stories on that. Oh, eight hundred eighty 0:07:35.655 --> 0:07:37.575 ten eighty is the number to call. You can text 0:07:37.615 --> 0:07:40.775 as well, that's nine two nine to two. Thank you 0:07:40.815 --> 0:07:44.055 to Ian Owen Rother who emailed me that article as 0:07:44.095 --> 0:07:47.055 well and just to remind me to look at it. 0:07:47.095 --> 0:07:50.415 So it's in the Herald Building Sector Insights which trades 0:07:50.455 --> 0:07:53.535 have to come back and fix things the most. If 0:07:53.575 --> 0:07:55.175 you search for that, you'll find it there so oh 0:07:55.255 --> 0:07:56.575 and thanks very much for your email. 0:07:57.135 --> 0:07:58.135 I might even reach out. 0:07:58.015 --> 0:07:59.655 And give you a chat and give you a call 0:07:59.695 --> 0:08:02.015 to chat about that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:08:02.135 --> 0:08:04.415 is the number to call if you've got a project on, 0:08:04.575 --> 0:08:07.055 if you're taking advantage of the fact that tomorrow perhaps 0:08:07.095 --> 0:08:09.255 you get to stay at home and do some work 0:08:09.255 --> 0:08:09.855 around the house. 0:08:09.895 --> 0:08:10.575 What are you going to do? 0:08:10.695 --> 0:08:12.975 What would you like to get done? And do you 0:08:13.055 --> 0:08:14.895 need some help with any of it? Oh eight hundred 0:08:14.935 --> 0:08:16.775 eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:08:17.135 --> 0:08:20.655 We're helping you get those DIY projects done right. The 0:08:20.855 --> 0:08:24.175 resident builder with Vieta WOLFCAF call, Oh, eight hundred eighty 0:08:24.255 --> 0:08:25.855 ten eighty, youth talk deadv. 0:08:26.255 --> 0:08:28.975 We're taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:08:29.095 --> 0:08:31.815 is that number to call. Todd sens Pete says the 0:08:31.855 --> 0:08:34.735 texter from Ray, I was an island bay yesterday, ge 0:08:34.895 --> 0:08:37.815 with some of those abodes are precariously perched on the hillside. 0:08:37.855 --> 0:08:41.535 Those builders are artisans like UA. Well, Ray, thank you 0:08:41.655 --> 0:08:43.455 very much for your for your message. 0:08:43.535 --> 0:08:44.215 Ray, very kind. 0:08:44.295 --> 0:08:46.975 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:08:47.055 --> 0:08:49.295 And from Ray on the text to Ray on the phone. 0:08:49.335 --> 0:08:53.855 Good morning, Ray, Good morning, I just wanted to get 0:08:53.855 --> 0:08:57.695 your advice. Sure, we live in a house where we 0:08:57.815 --> 0:09:02.415 have bottled guests two forty five kg cylinders, and we 0:09:02.495 --> 0:09:07.335 also have a pump for water for the for the house. 0:09:08.215 --> 0:09:12.255 Order supplied from tanks and the pump is around the 0:09:12.335 --> 0:09:17.895 corner from the gas bottles. It's so the gas bottles 0:09:17.895 --> 0:09:20.175 to the corner of the house are probably about eight 0:09:20.255 --> 0:09:23.535 hundred and in the distance from the other corner to 0:09:24.335 --> 0:09:29.695 the pump is probably about three or four hundred. On Friday, 0:09:29.735 --> 0:09:34.095 we had the gas supply deliver two new bottles. And 0:09:34.815 --> 0:09:37.535 we've been in the house for three years, but the 0:09:37.615 --> 0:09:41.775 house is about twelve years old. In the letter box 0:09:41.815 --> 0:09:45.855 we received a notice that said that they're checking on 0:09:46.015 --> 0:09:50.815 compliance of gas bottles and that our gas bottles were 0:09:50.855 --> 0:09:54.255 too close to the point of ignition, which is the pump. 0:09:54.455 --> 0:10:01.335 I guess I found that very difficult to understand. One 0:10:01.415 --> 0:10:05.015 that we've been the house is twelve years old, got 0:10:05.175 --> 0:10:09.015 a certificate of compl clients and in order to I think, 0:10:09.135 --> 0:10:13.575 move the pump, you have to move the piping and 0:10:13.655 --> 0:10:17.015 the electricity and it's going to be a very expensive job. 0:10:18.815 --> 0:10:23.015 I wonder that maybe it's not easy to move the 0:10:23.095 --> 0:10:27.295 bottles as they're close to a drain. I'm not sure 0:10:27.295 --> 0:10:30.455 what other solutions are, whether I can put a flame 0:10:30.535 --> 0:10:36.895 proof cabinet over the pump. But it did drag the 0:10:37.015 --> 0:10:39.895 question to me that when the house was built in 0:10:40.015 --> 0:10:46.295 haddus to the compliance, would the builders still be libel 0:10:46.375 --> 0:10:49.295 or it was built by a rapid or building company. 0:10:50.015 --> 0:10:51.535 I'm just not quite sure. 0:10:51.855 --> 0:10:53.055 Where to go to here. 0:10:53.615 --> 0:10:57.295 Yeah, no, obviously, I mean the first thing is that 0:10:57.375 --> 0:11:00.695 the you know, the regulations are there for a reason, right, 0:11:01.695 --> 0:11:05.135 and they are to prevent in this instance, the possibility 0:11:05.375 --> 0:11:10.575 of a guest leak then being ignited and causing a 0:11:10.615 --> 0:11:14.775 gas explosion, which is you know, the potential for damage 0:11:14.815 --> 0:11:16.015 is huge, right. 0:11:18.095 --> 0:11:29.855 Yes, they building it's against as a garage, you know, it's. 0:11:27.615 --> 0:11:28.335 So, I guess. 0:11:30.895 --> 0:11:32.255 So the house is how old? 0:11:33.535 --> 0:11:34.295 Twelve years? 0:11:34.575 --> 0:11:39.095 Twelve years? Okay, so the bottle for twelve years, and 0:11:39.135 --> 0:11:40.015 the bottles. 0:11:39.655 --> 0:11:42.655 Were part of the design originally, right, so they were 0:11:42.695 --> 0:11:46.335 installed as per whatever the regulations were at the time. 0:11:47.375 --> 0:11:50.415 Potentially the regulations have changed a little bit. I suppose 0:11:50.455 --> 0:11:51.615 what would be helpful. 0:11:51.335 --> 0:11:51.615 Is if. 0:11:53.535 --> 0:11:56.375 Regulations a little bit as they were now. 0:11:56.575 --> 0:12:00.255 Right, I guess you've got a couple of options. One 0:12:00.335 --> 0:12:04.015 is it would have been useful for the company that 0:12:04.055 --> 0:12:07.175 supplies the gas and gave you the notice to actually 0:12:07.215 --> 0:12:09.935 provide you with, you know, a reference to what the 0:12:10.015 --> 0:12:14.975 regulations are done that oh yeah, and what is there? 0:12:15.055 --> 0:12:20.615 There is a minimum, yeah, one point five meters in 0:12:20.695 --> 0:12:23.055 a straight line, but in our case. 0:12:22.975 --> 0:12:26.095 It's around the corner, around the corner. 0:12:25.855 --> 0:12:29.855 And probably a few they actually draw a radius around 0:12:29.855 --> 0:12:32.975 the top of the bottles of one point five But 0:12:33.935 --> 0:12:36.815 if yeah, I think the fact that they're around the 0:12:36.855 --> 0:12:40.975 corner is you know, helps helps the problem. 0:12:41.015 --> 0:12:45.255 But maybe that's how it was interpreted. I wonder whether 0:12:45.335 --> 0:12:48.415 when when they were installed and when the location. The 0:12:48.495 --> 0:12:52.215 other thing would be is potentially the has the location 0:12:52.295 --> 0:12:53.255 of the bottles changed? 0:12:53.255 --> 0:12:57.215 Do you think, no, it's it's always been in that place. 0:12:57.615 --> 0:13:00.135 I think that what they said is that they've either 0:13:00.175 --> 0:13:03.335 got a new driver or and they're having a blitz 0:13:03.415 --> 0:13:08.215 on compliance but that quit later. 0:13:08.935 --> 0:13:13.735 No, well, yeah, except again for something that is that 0:13:14.255 --> 0:13:19.295 has the potential to cause significant damage. I don't get 0:13:19.295 --> 0:13:22.815 the feeling that we should complain about the stringency of 0:13:22.975 --> 0:13:28.135 the regulations, right, you know, the regulations are in my opinion, 0:13:28.215 --> 0:13:31.455 there for a very good reason. So in that instance, 0:13:31.535 --> 0:13:36.215 I think, I mean, realistically, how difficult would it be 0:13:36.295 --> 0:13:42.175 to move the outdoor power point further away? 0:13:43.655 --> 0:13:45.975 I don't know if it's the PowerPoint. I think the 0:13:47.055 --> 0:13:50.415 I don't know whether it's the PowerPoint or the pump. Actually, 0:13:50.895 --> 0:13:54.815 I think that's the pump that has to move, both 0:13:54.815 --> 0:13:57.335 the pump and the PowerPoint. If you just have to 0:13:57.375 --> 0:14:00.175 move the PowerPoint, that. 0:13:59.575 --> 0:14:02.015 That would be relatively straightforward. 0:14:02.575 --> 0:14:05.735 But to move the pump you have to move a 0:14:05.775 --> 0:14:08.215 whole lot of piping. Yes, I have to move a 0:14:08.295 --> 0:14:10.415 whole lot of electricity. 0:14:11.255 --> 0:14:16.935 And are they I'm just thinking about now solutions, right, 0:14:17.055 --> 0:14:21.655 So I wonder have you had any discussion, like with 0:14:22.095 --> 0:14:23.695 a registered gas fitter. 0:14:25.015 --> 0:14:28.295 Yes, I have. I rang yesterday and he's coming next week. 0:14:28.495 --> 0:14:31.935 Okay, Look, they may well be able to offer up 0:14:32.135 --> 0:14:35.695 a solution in terms of saying, look, while we understand 0:14:35.735 --> 0:14:39.695 that you know technically it's it's within that one and 0:14:39.735 --> 0:14:42.855 a half meter radius from the location of the tanks, 0:14:43.135 --> 0:14:46.855 because it's around the corner, we're happy to sign that off. 0:14:46.935 --> 0:14:48.975 And then if you get something like that from the 0:14:49.015 --> 0:14:51.735 gas fitter, if they're prepared to sign it off, you 0:14:51.775 --> 0:14:54.495 could submit that to the firm and say we've assessed 0:14:54.535 --> 0:14:58.255 this or had the situation assessed by a registered and 0:14:58.335 --> 0:15:01.975 competent tradesperson who has determined that, in fact, there's very 0:15:01.975 --> 0:15:05.775 low risk from that and he's happy to sign it off. 0:15:07.655 --> 0:15:08.655 That's probably And if. 0:15:09.455 --> 0:15:13.295 They agree, let's say, with the assessment from the delivery 0:15:13.375 --> 0:15:17.055 driver and the auditing within the company, then maybe you 0:15:17.095 --> 0:15:20.215 do have to look at moving the pump or like 0:15:20.295 --> 0:15:22.855 you say, putting in some sort of fire separation on 0:15:22.855 --> 0:15:25.615 one side of it to ensure that if there was 0:15:25.655 --> 0:15:28.575 a spark at the pump or from the electrical outlet, 0:15:28.935 --> 0:15:33.175 that it was deflected. So you know, potentially a if 0:15:33.175 --> 0:15:35.655 you imagine, like if what I've got this picture in 0:15:35.655 --> 0:15:37.135 my mind, you've got the corner of the house, You've 0:15:37.135 --> 0:15:40.215 got the tanks on one wall eight hundred milimeters to 0:15:40.295 --> 0:15:43.535 the corner three hundred millimeters the other way. So if 0:15:43.575 --> 0:15:46.575 you had if you needed one point five meters separation, 0:15:47.175 --> 0:15:49.575 if you were to extend like a little fence or 0:15:49.615 --> 0:15:52.095 a wing wall for another. 0:15:54.055 --> 0:15:56.735 On a path, Okay, we get the way, the. 0:15:56.695 --> 0:16:00.415 Path seven hundred millimeters or something like that, then or 0:16:00.455 --> 0:16:02.735 maybe what you end up doing is putting a cover 0:16:02.935 --> 0:16:05.735 around the pump which means that the spark is not 0:16:05.935 --> 0:16:07.975 open anymore. 0:16:08.575 --> 0:16:10.575 It does have a place to cover over it at 0:16:10.575 --> 0:16:14.695 the moment, or polycarbonate cover over it. Yeah, but you know, 0:16:14.775 --> 0:16:19.495 there are little intrusions for getting the pipes in. But yeah, 0:16:19.535 --> 0:16:22.295 that is an option. But I'm not sure whether there 0:16:22.335 --> 0:16:26.375 is such a fireproof cover or it'd have to get 0:16:26.415 --> 0:16:29.015 something made. But I could imagine if I have to 0:16:29.055 --> 0:16:30.255 move the pump and the. 0:16:31.255 --> 0:16:37.815 Yeah, it's it's I don't know if it would be 0:16:37.855 --> 0:16:40.695 many thousands, to be fair, but you know, I mean, look, 0:16:40.775 --> 0:16:43.135 I tend I get where you're coming from, the sense 0:16:43.175 --> 0:16:46.335 that it seems like an overly cautious approach. And I 0:16:46.415 --> 0:16:49.615 just wonder whether you know, the driver perhaps has been 0:16:49.655 --> 0:16:52.535 instructed to just measure the distance from an ignition point 0:16:52.615 --> 0:16:55.815 or any other fitting electrical fitting. He's measured it, it's 0:16:55.935 --> 0:16:58.135 less than one point five meters, so he's handed out 0:16:58.135 --> 0:16:58.775 of notice. 0:16:59.575 --> 0:17:07.655 In reality me a letter, clarify what it is, and 0:17:08.135 --> 0:17:09.375 have even taken a photo. 0:17:09.575 --> 0:17:15.215 Okay, Look, I really have to applaud them for doing 0:17:15.255 --> 0:17:19.175 these sorts of audits in the same way that you know, essu. 0:17:19.255 --> 0:17:22.735 I was reading an article about you know, the house 0:17:22.895 --> 0:17:27.575 or the fire that happened in the Loafers Lodge in Wellington, right, 0:17:27.615 --> 0:17:29.975 the five people lost their lives. And you know, as 0:17:30.015 --> 0:17:33.855 councils now are going through auditing buildings, they're finding lots 0:17:33.895 --> 0:17:37.455 of stuff where people you know, have locked fire doors 0:17:37.575 --> 0:17:40.735 or remove smoke alarms or you know, all sorts of 0:17:40.815 --> 0:17:41.575 compliance stuff. 0:17:41.615 --> 0:17:44.495 So you know, in question I have this, do I 0:17:44.535 --> 0:17:47.895 have any claim against the company who built the house? 0:17:47.975 --> 0:17:52.335 Because unlikely, I would say, I mean you could try, 0:17:52.375 --> 0:17:56.015 but twelve years ago, I mean twelve years ago, there 0:17:56.055 --> 0:17:59.615 would have been the person who completed the house would 0:17:59.615 --> 0:18:05.215 have completed a had a final inspection and done a CCC, 0:18:05.495 --> 0:18:06.055 whether or not. 0:18:06.015 --> 0:18:08.975 An inspector would pick up on that. Go through, see 0:18:08.975 --> 0:18:11.335 if you can get from the council the property file, 0:18:11.495 --> 0:18:14.375 have a look at the cease, the actual CCC application, 0:18:15.415 --> 0:18:18.535 and see who the gas fitter was, and approach the 0:18:18.575 --> 0:18:25.335 gas fitter directly would be another option. Hm, okay, Well 0:18:25.375 --> 0:18:26.855 would it be the gas fitter or would it be 0:18:26.855 --> 0:18:30.095 the plumber? 0:18:30.775 --> 0:18:35.015 Well, because in the end that the electrician because the 0:18:35.175 --> 0:18:39.815 electricians no longer in business. Yeah, okay, I think that's 0:18:40.375 --> 0:18:41.495 an unlikely route. 0:18:41.495 --> 0:18:42.775 I think I want to find her. 0:18:43.255 --> 0:18:45.455 I think getting redressed from any of those parties is 0:18:45.495 --> 0:18:48.255 probably going to be a bit challenging. I just wonder 0:18:48.295 --> 0:18:51.375 whether getting a gas fitter, and you've already reached out 0:18:51.415 --> 0:18:54.575 to someone someone you know, experienced and professional who can 0:18:54.615 --> 0:18:57.575 assess the risk and say, actually, in this instance there 0:18:57.655 --> 0:19:00.375 is very little risk. You're okay sort of thing and 0:19:00.415 --> 0:19:00.975 go from there. 0:19:02.215 --> 0:19:03.775 Ye all right, thank you much. 0:19:04.375 --> 0:19:06.215 You have a good luck with all of that, and 0:19:06.575 --> 0:19:09.495 I hope it goes well. Thanks for calling Ray Bob 0:19:10.135 --> 0:19:14.415 interesting that. I mean, in some ways there's that thing 0:19:14.455 --> 0:19:16.815 you kind of betwixt them between, aren't you, in the 0:19:16.855 --> 0:19:20.455 sense that I think having those sorts of audits on 0:19:20.975 --> 0:19:27.855 what could potentially be a really serious safety issue, right, 0:19:29.135 --> 0:19:32.975 you know, if let's say, after the gas bottles, the 0:19:33.015 --> 0:19:35.855 systems set up, the gas bottles are delivered, and then 0:19:35.895 --> 0:19:38.135 someone decides, oh, actually, what I really need is an 0:19:38.135 --> 0:19:40.775 outdoor PowerPoint over there, because when I do the water blasting, 0:19:40.815 --> 0:19:42.615 it's too far to walk around the other side of 0:19:42.615 --> 0:19:44.895 the house, or I don't want to run a lead inside, 0:19:44.935 --> 0:19:48.615 so I'm going to have a gas bottle. I'm going 0:19:48.655 --> 0:19:51.815 to put an outdoor PowerPoint, not realizing the potential for 0:19:51.855 --> 0:19:58.815 an ignition source nearby. HM oh eight one hundred eighty 0:19:58.855 --> 0:20:00.255 ten eighty if you'd like to give a call on 0:20:00.295 --> 0:20:04.135 that or any other regulation rules and regulations, or perhaps 0:20:04.775 --> 0:20:08.615 you want to comment on that story about the which 0:20:08.655 --> 0:20:11.215 trades come back the most often. Bearing in mind we 0:20:11.255 --> 0:20:14.695 will be doing an interview with the lead researcher which 0:20:14.695 --> 0:20:18.335 I'll have available next weekend on the show. Oh eight 0:20:18.415 --> 0:20:21.535 hundred eighty ten eighty. It is bang on six thirty 0:20:21.575 --> 0:20:23.015 here at NEWSTALKSZP. 0:20:23.095 --> 0:20:26.815 Meta twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed 0:20:26.815 --> 0:20:30.375 your workcab the resident builder News talksb. 0:20:30.495 --> 0:20:33.095 You a News talksp Indeed, it is time for your calls. 0:20:33.095 --> 0:20:35.695 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:20:35.735 --> 0:20:38.055 I'll just try and deal with this text. Actually just 0:20:38.095 --> 0:20:43.735 before we talk to Heather from David. Hey, guys, we 0:20:43.775 --> 0:20:46.335 did a conversion to our home which is forty plus 0:20:46.455 --> 0:20:49.815 years old by converting a large four car garage which 0:20:49.895 --> 0:20:52.735 was done strictly by the books with the Council Older 0:20:52.855 --> 0:20:56.335 Rural Property and it added two large bedrooms and a hallway. 0:20:56.775 --> 0:20:58.175 Only one external war. 0:20:58.215 --> 0:21:00.735 Was replaced as we took away the two garage doors 0:21:00.775 --> 0:21:02.735 and put in a window and a new front door 0:21:03.095 --> 0:21:05.895 and all the new cladding which was all passed, so 0:21:05.935 --> 0:21:08.495 I assume there was actually a building consent for this work. 0:21:09.495 --> 0:21:11.335 Because the front was the entrance to the garage, it 0:21:11.335 --> 0:21:13.655 had concrete ramp up to the two garage doors. The 0:21:13.655 --> 0:21:17.055 concrete was taken away, strip drain installed which was past 0:21:17.135 --> 0:21:19.495 the corner of the houses had the same concrete which 0:21:19.575 --> 0:21:22.415 was in a bad way, and we paved three meters 0:21:22.455 --> 0:21:25.055 to match the front with and no levels had changed, 0:21:25.095 --> 0:21:27.735 no cladding was replaced, nothing, but the inspector wants a 0:21:27.775 --> 0:21:31.455 strip drain installed for the three meters of new paving. 0:21:31.615 --> 0:21:36.015 The issue is there's power phone and earth spike in 0:21:36.055 --> 0:21:39.015 that place going through the wall. Can they really add 0:21:39.055 --> 0:21:42.015 this now at the final inspection when no mention of 0:21:42.095 --> 0:21:45.455 it was made in any other inspection. They mentioned the 0:21:45.535 --> 0:21:48.095 name of the council, which i'll leave out at the stage. 0:21:48.615 --> 0:21:52.215 Have been a complete nightmare during this project. Sorry to 0:21:52.255 --> 0:21:56.055 hear that, David. Look at final inspection. Council have a 0:21:56.135 --> 0:22:01.175 right to pick up anything and while that might be frustrating, 0:22:04.495 --> 0:22:07.215 if they want you to do it be the path 0:22:07.255 --> 0:22:10.415 of least resistance. I'm wondering if the strip train is around, 0:22:11.215 --> 0:22:14.015 whether or not the new bit of concrete that you've 0:22:14.055 --> 0:22:17.895 added in there is less than one hundred and fifty 0:22:17.895 --> 0:22:24.375 millimeters below finished floor level of the garage, and that's 0:22:24.455 --> 0:22:26.775 a requirement of the code, right, that's what they'll be 0:22:26.815 --> 0:22:31.055 looking for, particularly if the ground is relatively flat, or 0:22:31.335 --> 0:22:34.775 worst case scenario, if it actually slopes towards the floor, 0:22:35.895 --> 0:22:39.215 then they'll want that threshold. They'll want one hundred and 0:22:39.255 --> 0:22:43.215 fifty mili. So that might be it. You could try 0:22:43.215 --> 0:22:46.975 and appeal to the team leader of the consents if 0:22:46.975 --> 0:22:50.655 you feel that the individual inspectors maybe not being a 0:22:50.695 --> 0:22:57.055 little bit unhelpful, but it's not that easy. Someone's made 0:22:57.055 --> 0:23:00.255 a couple of suggestions about the gas bottle situation, which Andy, 0:23:00.455 --> 0:23:02.695 thanks for the text, but I'm not going to even 0:23:02.735 --> 0:23:06.295 suggest that. Heather, A very good morning to you. 0:23:06.455 --> 0:23:07.855 Good morning hello there. 0:23:09.615 --> 0:23:14.215 I have a house which has been subdivided off the farm. 0:23:14.415 --> 0:23:19.695 Farm's been sold and they have a family member moving 0:23:19.775 --> 0:23:22.695 into the house which was built a few years ago 0:23:22.735 --> 0:23:26.855 by jennyin and everything is in compliance, but it's never 0:23:26.935 --> 0:23:30.855 had a deck or finishing around the outside of the house. 0:23:32.295 --> 0:23:36.815 A deckerman who has been working for me has offered 0:23:36.815 --> 0:23:42.495 to put on a deck. They've told me secondhand, that 0:23:42.615 --> 0:23:47.255 it doesn't require a building consent. Does it require what 0:23:47.975 --> 0:23:49.295 does the deck require? 0:23:50.015 --> 0:23:51.055 Oh good, my question. 0:23:51.375 --> 0:23:55.615 Okay, in many instances the deck won't require a building consent. 0:23:55.735 --> 0:23:59.055 So typically they require a building consent if they are 0:23:59.175 --> 0:24:04.295 more than one point five meters high. Sometimes if it's 0:24:04.415 --> 0:24:07.855 in close proximity to alaboring property, which it sounds like 0:24:07.895 --> 0:24:13.455 it probably isn't. So it's really just that. So if 0:24:13.495 --> 0:24:17.015 it's particularly high, like over one point five meters, then 0:24:17.055 --> 0:24:20.335 it will No, it's not okay. The other thing, and 0:24:20.775 --> 0:24:21.815 I saw this yesterday. 0:24:21.815 --> 0:24:22.655 Actually, I was out for a. 0:24:22.615 --> 0:24:25.655 Walk and at the end of the day and noticed 0:24:25.695 --> 0:24:28.895 someone had built a new deck and they had used 0:24:29.015 --> 0:24:32.375 hundred by hundred posts, right, soundred by one hundred posts 0:24:32.415 --> 0:24:35.735 don't comply with the building code. So what's really important 0:24:35.815 --> 0:24:40.855 is that work that is not done that doesn't need 0:24:40.855 --> 0:24:43.935 a building consent still has to be built in accordance 0:24:43.935 --> 0:24:47.535 with the building code. So if someone's going to come 0:24:47.575 --> 0:24:49.495 along and build a deck and they don't have a 0:24:49.495 --> 0:24:52.455 set of plans, which is okay because they don't need 0:24:52.495 --> 0:24:56.655 a consent, I think for you, as the client or 0:24:56.655 --> 0:25:00.855 the owner, you would say, can can you tell me 0:25:00.895 --> 0:25:03.815 how this complies with a building code, you know. And 0:25:03.855 --> 0:25:07.295 that's not a rude question, right, It's just say, you know, 0:25:07.375 --> 0:25:09.975 for example, the span of the joists or the span 0:25:10.055 --> 0:25:14.575 of the bearers, or it's really just those things, the 0:25:14.655 --> 0:25:18.255 spacing of the joists, right, because those things, let's say 0:25:18.415 --> 0:25:20.615 they decide, oh, I'm going to save a bit of 0:25:20.655 --> 0:25:22.975 time and I'm going to use one less post, right, 0:25:23.375 --> 0:25:25.815 so the span of the bearer is more than what 0:25:25.975 --> 0:25:30.415 the bearer is designed for. Now, it's relatively straightforward. Most 0:25:30.455 --> 0:25:33.015 of these things are in three six O four, which 0:25:33.055 --> 0:25:36.695 is the timber frame construction guide, right, So that's the 0:25:36.775 --> 0:25:40.975 standards that we work to. You know, a reasonably competent 0:25:41.255 --> 0:25:43.775 trades person should be able to just go to the code, 0:25:44.215 --> 0:25:47.575 look at the span tables, make some notes and go right, 0:25:47.615 --> 0:25:50.335 I'm going to have my posts, for example, at one 0:25:50.375 --> 0:25:52.935 point five centers. On top of that, I'm going to 0:25:53.055 --> 0:25:55.815 use two six to two's nailed together as my bearers. 0:25:56.055 --> 0:25:59.135 And then because I'm only spanning one point nine meters 0:25:59.215 --> 0:26:01.895 or something like that, i can use a one fifty 0:26:02.175 --> 0:26:05.655 fifty joist at four hundred centers and that'll all be 0:26:05.735 --> 0:26:06.295 there in the code. 0:26:06.455 --> 0:26:06.615 Right. 0:26:06.655 --> 0:26:09.335 So all I'm suggesting to you is when you're having 0:26:09.335 --> 0:26:11.735 a discussion with the person building the deck, just get 0:26:11.775 --> 0:26:13.975 a little bit of evidence from them that they've looked 0:26:13.975 --> 0:26:16.215 at the building code and they're going to build to 0:26:16.255 --> 0:26:17.175 the building code. 0:26:18.215 --> 0:26:18.415 Right. 0:26:18.895 --> 0:26:19.255 That's it. 0:26:19.295 --> 0:26:19.655 Okay. 0:26:19.695 --> 0:26:23.535 Basically, so does that need to be overseen by a 0:26:24.055 --> 0:26:25.575 licensed building. 0:26:26.815 --> 0:26:29.495 No, not necessarily, because it's work that doesn't require a 0:26:29.495 --> 0:26:33.375 building consent. Right, So only restricted building work, which is 0:26:33.415 --> 0:26:36.935 work that has a consent, needs to be done or 0:26:36.975 --> 0:26:39.855 supervised by an LBP. The only other thing I point 0:26:39.895 --> 0:26:42.535 out too is if the fall is greater than a meter, 0:26:43.655 --> 0:26:46.335 it will require a hand rail, which also needs to 0:26:46.335 --> 0:26:49.215 comply with the code. And if you've got more than 0:26:49.295 --> 0:26:52.975 three steps, it requires a handrail on the steps leading 0:26:53.095 --> 0:26:53.935 up to the deck. 0:26:55.015 --> 0:27:00.615 Okay, that's great, Okay, I just yeah, because the assistant 0:27:00.655 --> 0:27:04.295 who's going to help build the deck as a bill 0:27:04.535 --> 0:27:08.015 well is supposedly a builder, but not a licensed building 0:27:09.255 --> 0:27:14.855 not an LBP, yep, non LBP. And the person who's 0:27:15.095 --> 0:27:18.695 the main person who's building the deck has got a 0:27:18.775 --> 0:27:21.455 design from him, but I haven't seen the design. They've 0:27:21.535 --> 0:27:25.975 ordered the timber, right, and I haven't had a quote 0:27:26.495 --> 0:27:30.015 or a design given to me. As the owner of 0:27:30.055 --> 0:27:30.775 the building. 0:27:32.015 --> 0:27:35.215 Yeah, and in the end you're paying for it, right, 0:27:35.895 --> 0:27:38.415 So I think you get to ask as many questions 0:27:38.495 --> 0:27:42.815 as you like. And I guess this is where you know, 0:27:42.815 --> 0:27:46.935 it's little things like depending on the soil conditions, you know, 0:27:46.975 --> 0:27:49.855 do they need to dig down four hundred or in fact, 0:27:49.935 --> 0:27:52.215 once you've dug down four hundred, does it still look 0:27:52.295 --> 0:27:54.335 like a bit of top soil in there, in which 0:27:54.375 --> 0:27:56.615 case that would be better to dig down to six 0:27:56.695 --> 0:27:59.255 hundred and make sure that the bottom of the footing 0:27:59.375 --> 0:28:03.295 is sitting hard on the clay. And that's where you 0:28:03.815 --> 0:28:09.095 are reliant on, well, ultimately the integrity and the knowledge 0:28:09.455 --> 0:28:11.895 of the builder to go Actually, you know what, it 0:28:12.015 --> 0:28:13.695 still looks a bit soft. I'm just going to dig 0:28:13.735 --> 0:28:15.775 an extra hundred mil or something like that, and yes 0:28:15.815 --> 0:28:17.575 it's going to take a bit more time, and yes 0:28:17.575 --> 0:28:19.815 it'll take a bit more concrete, but we know that 0:28:19.855 --> 0:28:23.295 it's going to be okay. So you know that hopefully 0:28:23.335 --> 0:28:26.775 that's where experience comes in. Thank you, nice to talk 0:28:26.815 --> 0:28:27.655 to you all the very best. 0:28:27.695 --> 0:28:28.615 To you think all the best. 0:28:28.895 --> 0:28:31.295 Bob Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the 0:28:31.375 --> 0:28:32.895 number to call. 0:28:33.015 --> 0:28:36.935 Let's talk to Nick. Good day, Nick, hid Pete. 0:28:38.095 --> 0:28:40.855 We're looking at buying a house. 0:28:41.015 --> 0:28:47.895 And we at the internal room is a cinema room and. 0:28:47.775 --> 0:28:50.055 There's no windows, right, yes. 0:28:49.815 --> 0:28:53.455 Which sounds a bit crazy, but we want to make 0:28:53.495 --> 0:28:57.695 it into a proper lounge, dining room, kitchen. Yeah. So 0:28:58.255 --> 0:29:02.095 our thoughts. It's got two sliding doors, right, and we 0:29:02.135 --> 0:29:05.895 want to take outmost sliding doors and open it up 0:29:06.375 --> 0:29:11.135 and remove two walls. Yeah, do we The first thing 0:29:11.255 --> 0:29:18.055 is resource consent, so unlikely. We obviously don't want the 0:29:18.135 --> 0:29:22.695 roof to fall in. Yeah, and we've got two brothers 0:29:22.695 --> 0:29:26.775 that can do the very confident LVB dudes to do it. 0:29:28.255 --> 0:29:31.975 And we've were what is the process? 0:29:32.655 --> 0:29:35.615 We have a draft person that can draft it up 0:29:35.655 --> 0:29:39.335 for us. Do we send that into the council to get. 0:29:39.335 --> 0:29:42.175 Sure yeah, approval. 0:29:42.735 --> 0:29:46.935 The main thing is is if like technically under again, 0:29:46.975 --> 0:29:49.175 schedule one of the acts, right, which is it sets 0:29:49.175 --> 0:29:52.455 out work that can be done without necessarily requiring a consent, 0:29:53.615 --> 0:29:56.695 potentially if the wall was non load bearing. 0:29:57.935 --> 0:29:58.735 We think it is. 0:30:00.575 --> 0:30:04.295 Thinking and knowing are slightly different things, right, So you've 0:30:04.335 --> 0:30:07.175 you've got to be you know what I mean, You've 0:30:07.175 --> 0:30:08.455 already identified. 0:30:08.015 --> 0:30:11.815 The fact plans we have. We've seen plans and stuff, 0:30:12.095 --> 0:30:15.615 and it looks like they're not, and we'd tap the 0:30:15.655 --> 0:30:18.735 walls and the builders sat the walls and with think. 0:30:18.575 --> 0:30:20.335 They're an load bearing. 0:30:21.575 --> 0:30:26.575 Yeah, I'd take I'd take my I'd take the inspection 0:30:26.735 --> 0:30:30.055 just slightly beyond tapping the wall to be fair, Look, 0:30:30.535 --> 0:30:34.215 if what's what's above that wall? Is it another floor 0:30:34.335 --> 0:30:35.055 or is it the roof? 0:30:36.495 --> 0:30:37.695 It's the roof, it's the roof. 0:30:37.775 --> 0:30:40.775 Okay, look, it should be relatively straightforward to figure out 0:30:40.815 --> 0:30:44.095 whether or not that wall's load bearing. If it isn't 0:30:44.335 --> 0:30:48.935 load bearing, and you know, i'd get a draft person, 0:30:49.295 --> 0:30:52.015 architect engineer to to just cast an eye over it 0:30:52.055 --> 0:30:54.415 and go, actually, you know what, it's low risk. If 0:30:54.455 --> 0:30:57.455 you took the wall out, nothing's going to move right 0:30:57.575 --> 0:31:01.175 then then theoretically you can do that work without requiring 0:31:01.175 --> 0:31:05.055 a consent. However, if it is load bearing, or perhaps 0:31:05.095 --> 0:31:07.135 if you've looked at the plans and realize that there's 0:31:07.135 --> 0:31:08.975 some bracing elements in that wall. 0:31:09.255 --> 0:31:12.775 Yeah, well we think that is it called pearlins or 0:31:12.935 --> 0:31:15.895 bracing up above to hold the roof up? 0:31:16.535 --> 0:31:17.375 Would that be right? 0:31:18.095 --> 0:31:21.935 There might be triangles, yeah, if it's an older roof, 0:31:22.095 --> 0:31:23.935 you might have some understanding no, the. 0:31:23.895 --> 0:31:29.695 House is only three years old. Ah, it's a pretty. 0:31:29.375 --> 0:31:30.135 Browd new house. 0:31:30.215 --> 0:31:32.455 Oh okay, in fact, it might be less than that. 0:31:33.015 --> 0:31:35.375 Oh well, I mean, look, that's an advantage in the 0:31:35.415 --> 0:31:40.215 sense that you could go and get the plans right 0:31:40.295 --> 0:31:43.415 and have again an engineer or an architect to a 0:31:43.455 --> 0:31:46.935 desktop review of the plans. You'll quickly determine whether or 0:31:46.975 --> 0:31:49.415 not there's any bracing elements in there, whether there's a 0:31:49.495 --> 0:31:51.935 lintel that's holding something up, what the span of the 0:31:52.055 --> 0:31:52.695 trusses are. 0:31:53.415 --> 0:31:56.695 Think we think the lintel, there is a mental. 0:31:57.375 --> 0:31:59.615 Above the sliding doors. 0:31:59.695 --> 0:32:06.295 Yes, the sliding doors, but we're taking it below the left, 0:32:07.455 --> 0:32:10.495 so we're just knocking out the wall below the lintil. 0:32:10.615 --> 0:32:15.455 Right, yeah, but then hopefully. 0:32:15.175 --> 0:32:17.895 Well no except the lintel. Let's say the are they 0:32:18.055 --> 0:32:22.575 pocket sliders or are they sort of barn sliders? Where 0:32:22.575 --> 0:32:24.495 do the sliding doors go from the opening? 0:32:25.335 --> 0:32:27.175 So they go back into the wall. 0:32:27.375 --> 0:32:30.215 Okay, So let's say you've got to eight hundred doors, 0:32:31.015 --> 0:32:33.455 so that's one point six meters. Then chances are your 0:32:33.535 --> 0:32:36.735 opening is actually already three point two meters, right because 0:32:36.775 --> 0:32:39.615 of the pockets that they go into. So you want 0:32:39.655 --> 0:32:42.815 to take more than the three point two meters out. 0:32:43.975 --> 0:32:46.655 Not on one side, possibly on the other side. 0:32:46.695 --> 0:32:49.375 Okay, that goes up the hallway, So if you did 0:32:49.415 --> 0:32:51.935 want to take the other side out, then that lintel, 0:32:52.255 --> 0:32:54.895 there's an understud at the end of that opening that's 0:32:54.895 --> 0:32:56.855 holding up the lintel. You're going to remove that, and 0:32:56.895 --> 0:32:59.095 there's nothing holding the lintel up, right. 0:33:00.215 --> 0:33:02.095 So there is a bit we don't want. 0:33:02.895 --> 0:33:07.855 No, No, look, I think the best bedders requit. You 0:33:07.975 --> 0:33:09.055 may even have a copy of. 0:33:08.975 --> 0:33:12.095 The plane just to reap. Do I need an LV 0:33:12.775 --> 0:33:16.975 Do I need a resource consent for this project? No? 0:33:17.135 --> 0:33:20.855 Well, this we might be at cross purposes. A resource 0:33:20.895 --> 0:33:24.175 consent is unlikely because you're not using any resource, right. 0:33:24.695 --> 0:33:29.535 A building consent, and they are two different things might 0:33:29.615 --> 0:33:33.015 be might be required because the wall might be load bearing, 0:33:33.095 --> 0:33:36.055 there might be bracing elements in it. Right, So if 0:33:36.095 --> 0:33:39.495 either of those two yeah, if either of those two 0:33:39.495 --> 0:33:41.335 things are there, then you're going to need to do 0:33:41.375 --> 0:33:43.775 a design. You're going to need to submit that design 0:33:43.855 --> 0:33:48.055 to counsel for a building consent. Once the building consent 0:33:48.135 --> 0:33:49.335 comes out, then. 0:33:49.775 --> 0:33:51.135 How long does that take? 0:33:52.615 --> 0:34:01.775 Well, theoretically, a theoretically area twenty days right from the date. 0:34:01.655 --> 0:34:04.375 That today sorry. 0:34:04.935 --> 0:34:09.615 Today, things we're off surprise today for four months. 0:34:10.695 --> 0:34:12.735 Well, it could be done by the time you get back. 0:34:12.935 --> 0:34:14.535 I mean it's all digital. 0:34:15.655 --> 0:34:17.375 And all the work can be done by the time 0:34:17.415 --> 0:34:21.775 we get back. So but okay, that's great. 0:34:21.855 --> 0:34:24.855 So do we do we. 0:34:24.255 --> 0:34:30.135 Like and using lvps? Yeah, they're quite capable of handling 0:34:30.135 --> 0:34:31.255 the work while we're away. 0:34:32.415 --> 0:34:35.095 Look, that's completely up to the relationship that you have 0:34:35.215 --> 0:34:37.375 with the LBP if you if you know them, I 0:34:37.415 --> 0:34:40.615 mean I've done plenty of work. Well yeah, you know 0:34:41.175 --> 0:34:44.415 they could do it. Look to be fair, it is 0:34:44.455 --> 0:34:46.535 a little bit challenging I think as a client if 0:34:46.575 --> 0:34:50.335 you're not there to answer questions, right, but then again 0:34:50.415 --> 0:34:57.055 today with email text and oh absolutely no, no, you 0:34:57.135 --> 0:35:00.575 know it all set. But I suppose what happens with 0:35:00.655 --> 0:35:03.615 these jobs as they grow a little bit, right, because 0:35:03.655 --> 0:35:06.015 suddenly when you pull the wall out there's a patch 0:35:06.095 --> 0:35:06.775 of flooring. 0:35:06.855 --> 0:35:08.255 Do you replace all the flooring? 0:35:08.295 --> 0:35:10.255 Do you try and patch it? Do you want the 0:35:10.295 --> 0:35:13.255 ceiling to go through in one height? What about any 0:35:13.415 --> 0:35:16.535 electrical cables? You know, there's just constant Christians and if 0:35:16.535 --> 0:35:19.455 you're not there, it might drag the process out a 0:35:19.455 --> 0:35:23.895 little bit. Yeah, so fine, I am slightly envious of 0:35:23.895 --> 0:35:25.455 you heading off to France. We're about to be. 0:35:25.575 --> 0:35:27.175 Hitting yeah for months. 0:35:27.295 --> 0:35:32.455 We've got a house in the Sharons to our south of. 0:35:32.495 --> 0:35:35.815 Bordeaux, nice on the on the River v Enna. 0:35:35.895 --> 0:35:38.215 I will be catching trout in three days time. 0:35:38.895 --> 0:35:39.535 Good luck to you. 0:35:39.975 --> 0:35:42.295 Enjoy that and maybe a glass of pastie in the 0:35:42.375 --> 0:35:44.575 cafe at the end of the days. 0:35:47.255 --> 0:35:49.095 Enjoy take care all of this. 0:35:51.815 --> 0:35:53.815 So long story short. I think it's likely that it 0:35:53.895 --> 0:35:56.615 needs a building consent. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. 0:35:56.655 --> 0:35:59.495 Having glass of psis at a at the cafe at 0:35:59.495 --> 0:36:01.895 the end of the day in the little town square 0:36:02.095 --> 0:36:05.895 is twenty years ago. That was me about this time. Actually, 0:36:08.495 --> 0:36:12.175 happy days right, Oh, twelve minutes away from seven, back 0:36:12.255 --> 0:36:13.015 with Sandy. 0:36:12.815 --> 0:36:15.895 After the break doing our house, storting the guard and 0:36:15.975 --> 0:36:19.655 asked Pete for ahead, the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap 0:36:19.775 --> 0:36:22.695 call eighty eight newstalgs Vy. 0:36:24.175 --> 0:36:24.855 You're a news talks. 0:36:24.855 --> 0:36:27.255 They've been coming up eight minutes away from seven. Of course, 0:36:27.255 --> 0:36:28.975 we've got news top of the air at seven before 0:36:29.015 --> 0:36:34.535 then Sandy, Hello there, oh, hello there, I've. 0:36:34.455 --> 0:36:39.175 Got a gas bottle query as well. I'm been in 0:36:39.335 --> 0:36:43.655 my house two years and I'm on gas hot water yep, 0:36:44.255 --> 0:36:48.855 And I pay the company over two hundred dollars a 0:36:49.015 --> 0:36:54.935 year in gas bottle rentals, and I'm just and I 0:36:56.135 --> 0:36:59.375 I've got two bottles and i haven't even used one 0:36:59.735 --> 0:37:07.975 in three years, and I'm wondering if I can just 0:37:08.655 --> 0:37:16.335 have connected a barbecue bottle and seeing the big gas 0:37:16.455 --> 0:37:19.895 bottles back and say myself, the reate hole. 0:37:26.975 --> 0:37:29.335 Look, I think the best person to give you advice 0:37:29.375 --> 0:37:32.295 on that would be a gas fitter, right, so registered 0:37:32.335 --> 0:37:38.695 gas fitter. In theory, I don't see a problem with it. 0:37:39.055 --> 0:37:43.175 And the only reason I say that is again, at 0:37:43.175 --> 0:37:47.695 a property some time ago, they had the only use 0:37:47.775 --> 0:37:51.335 they had for gas was to power some gas hobs, right, 0:37:52.455 --> 0:37:56.295 and that was off a standard sort of well are 0:37:56.335 --> 0:38:03.815 they ate or nine kg? Basically off a bottle, right, 0:38:04.215 --> 0:38:08.215 looked like a barbecue gas bottle. And I was a 0:38:08.255 --> 0:38:10.175 little bit unsure about it. And I actually send a 0:38:10.215 --> 0:38:13.775 photograph to the gas fitter that I have known for many, 0:38:13.855 --> 0:38:16.935 many years and said, is this compliant? I mean, yeah, 0:38:17.215 --> 0:38:18.935 it's fine as long as you know it's on a 0:38:18.975 --> 0:38:22.095 stable platform that sort of thing. So yeah, theoretically, but 0:38:22.215 --> 0:38:24.775 I think i'd feel better saying to you, hey, what 0:38:24.895 --> 0:38:27.455 I would do is talk to a professional gas fitter, 0:38:28.615 --> 0:38:30.775 get their advice. You might find that the hose that 0:38:30.895 --> 0:38:33.735 you've got is designed to go to the top of 0:38:33.815 --> 0:38:37.415 a taller tank, in which case it won't reach to 0:38:37.495 --> 0:38:40.895 the ground for example. And I think too, there's a 0:38:40.975 --> 0:38:44.895 requirement that they're secured so that they don't fall over, 0:38:45.215 --> 0:38:51.655 which is important. Well it's outside, yes, I know, but 0:38:51.735 --> 0:38:54.535 it's more that it has if it's if it's knocked 0:38:54.575 --> 0:38:57.935 over for example, and pulls on the hose or you know, 0:38:58.295 --> 0:39:01.495 pulls the hose out or something like that. Those are issues, right, 0:39:01.615 --> 0:39:06.575 those genuine safety concerns around ensuring that you don't end 0:39:06.655 --> 0:39:08.135 up with an explosion. 0:39:08.215 --> 0:39:10.815 Basically, well, I. 0:39:10.855 --> 0:39:14.175 Suppose I could ask the people. 0:39:13.975 --> 0:39:16.175 That SAG I guess. 0:39:16.735 --> 0:39:19.975 The other thing, too, is to that consideration around you know, 0:39:20.015 --> 0:39:21.895 the fact that you've got the two bottles, and yes, 0:39:21.935 --> 0:39:25.615 they've lasted you an extraordinary long time. But the beauty 0:39:25.695 --> 0:39:29.495 of those systems is that one when one runs out, 0:39:29.615 --> 0:39:32.735 it automatically swaps over to the other one, as opposed 0:39:32.815 --> 0:39:36.415 to hopping in the shower, turning on hot water and 0:39:36.495 --> 0:39:39.535 discovering that the bottles run empty and then suddenly you've 0:39:39.535 --> 0:39:42.855 got to go and you know, go and get a 0:39:42.895 --> 0:39:45.135 new bottle and those sorts of things. 0:39:46.255 --> 0:39:48.295 It looks it's completely up to you. 0:39:48.455 --> 0:39:53.575 But m okay, well thanks, but. 0:39:53.935 --> 0:39:56.735 I would get advice from a professional guess for around 0:39:56.775 --> 0:39:59.175 the regulations of having your own bottle like that. 0:39:59.295 --> 0:40:03.895 Okay, I'm sure the gas company could give me that information, 0:40:04.215 --> 0:40:05.655 couldn't they as well? 0:40:06.735 --> 0:40:09.655 But remember they're in the business of selling you gas, right, 0:40:09.775 --> 0:40:14.015 They're not going to necessarily advise you to ditch what 0:40:14.175 --> 0:40:19.975 they offer and go down the road and get something cheaper. Yeah, alright, 0:40:20.295 --> 0:40:23.935 you take care all the best, boy. Then, Actually i'll 0:40:23.935 --> 0:40:28.055 tell you what here we go from Chris. Text came 0:40:28.135 --> 0:40:31.495 in almost immediately, Pete, technically you can't use a barbecue 0:40:31.535 --> 0:40:34.535 gas bottle as the pressure is Plumber advised. 0:40:34.575 --> 0:40:35.775 It's not. 0:40:37.975 --> 0:40:41.055 Oh yeah, it's too low for the hot water. The 0:40:41.095 --> 0:40:45.095 Califont won't like it. That's a fair point, obviously. You know, 0:40:45.175 --> 0:40:48.175 big bottle more pressure. Smaller bottle not designed for high 0:40:48.215 --> 0:40:50.975 pressure because it's just typically just feeding the barbecue, isn't it. 0:40:51.815 --> 0:40:53.175 Or a hob for example. 0:40:53.335 --> 0:40:55.775 But that's quite a different amount of gas than is 0:40:55.895 --> 0:40:58.535 required for the Califont. So it might just be sandy 0:40:58.575 --> 0:41:01.735 a technical issue there that it simply just won't work 0:41:01.895 --> 0:41:04.175 off another type of bottle. Again, that's why you get 0:41:04.215 --> 0:41:05.935 professional advice back after the. 0:41:05.935 --> 0:41:09.615 Break, whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with fans, or 0:41:09.735 --> 0:41:11.935 wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give 0:41:12.015 --> 0:41:16.535 Peter wolf Gaffer call on eighty, the resident builder on 0:41:16.655 --> 0:41:17.495 youth dogs. 0:41:18.215 --> 0:41:21.375 Indeed indeed resident builder here on a Sunday morning, Sunday 0:41:21.415 --> 0:41:25.095 morning of a long weekend Tomorrow. Of course, King's Birthday 0:41:25.335 --> 0:41:27.015 day takes a little bit of getting used to the 0:41:27.175 --> 0:41:29.655 King's birthday as opposed to the Queen's Birthday, which we 0:41:29.735 --> 0:41:33.855 got used to saying for what seventy odd years. Anyway, 0:41:33.895 --> 0:41:38.855 tomorrow's public it's a day off. Like I didn't get 0:41:38.855 --> 0:41:43.415 around to doing the lawns today, sorry yesterday. I loathe 0:41:43.455 --> 0:41:45.135 them to test doing them on a Sunday, so I'm 0:41:45.175 --> 0:41:46.295 not going to do them on a Sunday. But I 0:41:46.335 --> 0:41:48.655 figured that a Monday of a public holiday this kind 0:41:48.655 --> 0:41:50.535 of feels like a Saturday, so that's all right to 0:41:50.575 --> 0:41:54.575 do it. I'm thinking tomorrow's Tomorrow's the day, oh eight 0:41:54.695 --> 0:41:57.055 hundred eighty ten eighty is that I've got to get 0:41:57.095 --> 0:41:59.095 all the other stuff out of their way first, before 0:41:59.095 --> 0:42:03.415 I can get back to the lawnmar Right. Yeah, I've 0:42:03.415 --> 0:42:06.095 got space issues, I've got storage issues. I might even 0:42:06.135 --> 0:42:08.575 have poarding issues, but that's another matter. Oh eight, one 0:42:08.655 --> 0:42:10.615 hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call 0:42:10.655 --> 0:42:12.855 if you've got a question of a building nature. We've 0:42:12.895 --> 0:42:17.895 talked a bit about especially work that requires building consent, 0:42:18.215 --> 0:42:20.695 like what type of work requires a building consent? What 0:42:20.855 --> 0:42:24.655 type of work doesn't necessarily require a building consent? But 0:42:25.255 --> 0:42:28.375 the bit that seemingly lots of people forget about is 0:42:28.415 --> 0:42:33.695 that building work that doesn't necessarily require a building consent 0:42:34.335 --> 0:42:37.375 still needs to be done in accordance to the building code. 0:42:37.935 --> 0:42:41.575 So it was a great conversation with Heather about someone 0:42:41.655 --> 0:42:45.095 coming to build a deck on a property that obviously 0:42:45.135 --> 0:42:46.895 the house was built and then we'll do the deck 0:42:47.015 --> 0:42:49.615 later on. So the deck there, from what I can tell, 0:42:49.735 --> 0:42:53.295 doesn't necessarily require a building consent, but you do want 0:42:53.415 --> 0:42:56.695 some evidence that it is built to the code. And 0:42:56.815 --> 0:42:57.575 how do you find that? 0:42:57.695 --> 0:42:59.255 Well, the simplest way would. 0:42:59.015 --> 0:43:01.655 Be go to three six O four NZS three six four, 0:43:02.135 --> 0:43:06.895 which is the guide to light timber construction and work 0:43:06.935 --> 0:43:09.815 out there span tables. How far apart do I need 0:43:09.935 --> 0:43:12.295 the post to be so that gives you an idea 0:43:12.295 --> 0:43:15.775 of how many posts you might need. So working backwards 0:43:15.775 --> 0:43:18.015 from the overall size, you'd go, Okay, I'm going to 0:43:18.055 --> 0:43:20.855 have my joy spanning this amount, which means my bearers 0:43:20.935 --> 0:43:23.015 need to span this which means my posts need to 0:43:23.055 --> 0:43:26.615 be there. But I think it's not unreasonable to ask 0:43:26.815 --> 0:43:29.535 whoever's building it if they don't need a building consent. 0:43:30.375 --> 0:43:33.055 Beautiful building consent is immediately you've got a set of 0:43:33.095 --> 0:43:35.095 plans for that to then go, this is how I 0:43:35.175 --> 0:43:38.335 can prove compliance with the building code because you are 0:43:38.415 --> 0:43:41.855 reliant then completely on the contractor doing the work to 0:43:42.375 --> 0:43:45.935 be competent and to know what the code requirements are. 0:43:46.055 --> 0:43:48.255 Even in terms of fixing, you know, how are you 0:43:48.375 --> 0:43:52.775 going to fasten the bearer to the pile? You know 0:43:53.055 --> 0:43:55.335 what type of fixings are you going to use? Does 0:43:55.415 --> 0:43:58.775 it require a handrail? In which case, depending on the 0:43:58.855 --> 0:44:02.375 type of handrail, there are hot restraints that you need 0:44:02.895 --> 0:44:06.175 to ensure that the handrail itself is going to resist 0:44:06.175 --> 0:44:09.295 the impact of someone tripping against it or falling against it, 0:44:10.135 --> 0:44:12.415 that it's not going to get bendy and wobbly and 0:44:12.615 --> 0:44:15.535 fall over. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like 0:44:15.575 --> 0:44:18.215 to talk all things building construction, we can do that. 0:44:18.335 --> 0:44:20.375 Someone a text through and went, hey, just about that, 0:44:20.575 --> 0:44:23.375 they are obviously thinking about doing it a. 0:44:25.375 --> 0:44:26.055 Building a deck. 0:44:26.655 --> 0:44:29.655 I mentioned the fact that, as far as I know, 0:44:30.735 --> 0:44:33.095 using one hundred by hundred posts, so literally like a 0:44:33.175 --> 0:44:35.975 fence post that you can buy because they're a lot 0:44:36.055 --> 0:44:39.375 cheaper than tanner piles or sentence piles, which are one 0:44:39.455 --> 0:44:41.415 hundred and twenty five by one hundred and twenty five. 0:44:42.375 --> 0:44:45.175 Decks need to be supported on tanna piles. 0:44:45.455 --> 0:44:46.895 If you do your deck with one. 0:44:46.895 --> 0:44:51.935 Hundred bye hundred fence posts, it's not code compliant, and 0:44:52.015 --> 0:44:55.935 I've seen it often. So even a deck that's you know, 0:44:56.135 --> 0:44:58.255 three hundred milimeters off the ground or something like that, 0:44:58.895 --> 0:45:01.895 still needs to be built in accordance with the building code. 0:45:02.055 --> 0:45:04.335 We can talk about that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:45:04.455 --> 0:45:07.215 is the number to call. Maybe you've would have seen 0:45:07.295 --> 0:45:09.455 that article during the course of the week. Was in 0:45:09.535 --> 0:45:13.935 the Herald during the week research out of brands talking 0:45:14.015 --> 0:45:20.455 about which trades get the most callbacks, and interestingly enough, 0:45:20.535 --> 0:45:23.295 top of the list was painters. I think it deserves 0:45:23.335 --> 0:45:26.655 a bit more sort of explanation and analysis than just going, oh, 0:45:27.015 --> 0:45:29.015 that means painters are not very good at their jobs. 0:45:29.095 --> 0:45:31.975 I think that it's in that case, it's probably a 0:45:32.095 --> 0:45:35.015 lot about the fact that, you know, paintwork gets damaged 0:45:35.055 --> 0:45:37.655 by all sorts of trades and people being in the house. 0:45:38.095 --> 0:45:40.575 You know, someone carrying a bath scratches the wall. Someone 0:45:40.615 --> 0:45:43.415 putting in an overhead cabinet in the kitchen scratches the wall. 0:45:43.455 --> 0:45:46.535 All of these sorts of things, Right, so it's not 0:45:46.615 --> 0:45:50.615 surprising that painters come back. Builders were next. I was 0:45:50.615 --> 0:45:54.095 actually quite surprised at how many roofers were being called 0:45:54.135 --> 0:45:57.495 back for jobs. Anyway, we're going to do some research 0:45:57.535 --> 0:45:57.695 on that. 0:45:57.895 --> 0:45:58.055 Well. 0:45:58.335 --> 0:46:00.295 Actually I'm going to talk to the researcher during the 0:46:00.295 --> 0:46:02.855 week and we'll have that interview next week. I wait, 0:46:03.015 --> 0:46:05.615 hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. I wait hundred 0:46:05.735 --> 0:46:09.895 eighty ten nine two ninety two on the text, and 0:46:10.015 --> 0:46:12.535 if you would like to email me, you're more than 0:46:12.575 --> 0:46:15.295 welcome to do that as well. It's Pete at NEWSTALKSIDB 0:46:15.455 --> 0:46:18.375 dot co dot NZ. PETE deck up to one point 0:46:18.415 --> 0:46:20.775 five does need a building consent, but the barrier does. 0:46:20.935 --> 0:46:26.975 If it's over a meter, you're absolutely right. Ah, hang on, 0:46:27.055 --> 0:46:28.655 I think what Steve is trying to say is the 0:46:28.735 --> 0:46:31.135 deck doesn't need a building consent if it's one point 0:46:31.215 --> 0:46:36.775 five but the barrier. But it does need a barrier, 0:46:36.895 --> 0:46:38.535 I think is what you're saying there. It's not like 0:46:38.615 --> 0:46:41.055 the barrier then needs a building consent. So let's say 0:46:41.095 --> 0:46:44.095 the decks one point two meters above the ground. So 0:46:44.295 --> 0:46:47.895 to prevent injury from falling, it requires a handrail, or 0:46:47.935 --> 0:46:52.855 it requires a barrier because it's you can fall more 0:46:52.895 --> 0:46:55.455 than a meter, but because it's less than one point 0:46:55.535 --> 0:46:58.655 five meters, it doesn't require a building consent. But yes, 0:46:58.735 --> 0:47:01.175 you're right, Steve, it does require a handrail in the 0:47:01.255 --> 0:47:05.215 same way that more than three rises are on a 0:47:05.295 --> 0:47:07.975 set of stairs. It's an unusual number, isn't it. More 0:47:08.015 --> 0:47:14.575 than three rises requires a handra eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 0:47:14.615 --> 0:47:17.375 We can talk rigs and rules, and we've been talking 0:47:17.455 --> 0:47:20.215 quite a bit about gas bottles as well, So just 0:47:20.295 --> 0:47:23.815 to be really clear on that, if you've got a 0:47:23.975 --> 0:47:27.895 gas califont so an on demand water heater that's run 0:47:27.975 --> 0:47:31.615 off the large commercial bottles, they are at higher pressure, 0:47:32.535 --> 0:47:34.815 and the idea of swapping that out for what we 0:47:34.895 --> 0:47:37.855 might call a barbecue bottle, will find that it's lower 0:47:37.935 --> 0:47:42.055 pressure and the califont won't work properly on the lower pressure, 0:47:42.095 --> 0:47:45.135 So that's a good reason to not swap them over. Sandy, 0:47:45.455 --> 0:47:47.615 who we were talking to before the news, oh eight 0:47:47.775 --> 0:47:50.655 hundred eighty ten eighty is Ah has good text before 0:47:50.655 --> 0:47:52.975 the break Pete. We've got a five year old house 0:47:53.175 --> 0:47:55.935 with a standard double garage which the builder has kindly 0:47:56.055 --> 0:47:58.815 omitted to insulate the ceiling. We are wanting to bat 0:47:58.855 --> 0:48:00.815 the ceiling. How do we calculate the number of packs 0:48:00.855 --> 0:48:03.815 that we need? Is there a calculation to use? We're 0:48:03.895 --> 0:48:08.255 in Katahadi and the bay plenty from Leslie. Now, just 0:48:08.375 --> 0:48:12.295 to point out Leslie, technically the garage is not a 0:48:12.375 --> 0:48:16.055 habitable space, so it doesn't need to be insulated. I 0:48:16.175 --> 0:48:20.215 think that's foolish, and I've typically always insulated garages if 0:48:20.215 --> 0:48:24.215 they're attached to the house. But technically it didn't need 0:48:24.335 --> 0:48:26.015 to be done, even if it is a five year 0:48:26.055 --> 0:48:33.055 old house. So normally, depending on which type of insulation 0:48:33.215 --> 0:48:37.335 you choose, each bail will have a coverage. So if 0:48:37.375 --> 0:48:40.495 it's a standard sized garage six by six, that's thirty 0:48:40.535 --> 0:48:43.895 six square meters. If there's ten square meters in a bail, 0:48:44.055 --> 0:48:46.135 you'll need three and a half bales or four bales 0:48:46.175 --> 0:48:48.535 of insulation that sort of thing, So that's not too 0:48:48.695 --> 0:48:52.335 challenging to figure out. I'm sure, Oh, eight hundred eighty 0:48:52.415 --> 0:48:53.975 ten eighty give us a call. We've got some more 0:48:54.055 --> 0:48:56.975 texts coming through, but if you would like to call, 0:48:57.055 --> 0:48:59.775 that'd be great. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. 0:49:00.615 --> 0:49:04.215 Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Give the right advice from 0:49:04.335 --> 0:49:07.495 Peter Wolfcare, the resident filled out on News Talk SB. 0:49:09.175 --> 0:49:11.895 Really, I'm going to do an interview with the researchers 0:49:12.015 --> 0:49:15.895 at Brands this week around this survey. This is about 0:49:15.975 --> 0:49:20.335 sort of basically which trades have to come back how often? 0:49:20.735 --> 0:49:21.895 So the summary of. 0:49:21.895 --> 0:49:24.975 It is is that around I think it's eighty nine 0:49:25.055 --> 0:49:27.655 percent of people who move into a new house need 0:49:27.735 --> 0:49:30.455 to call back one of the trades people involved in, 0:49:30.655 --> 0:49:34.335 whether that's the painter, the tyler, the roof of, the electrician, 0:49:34.415 --> 0:49:37.375 the plumber, the carpenter, et cetera, et cetera. And then 0:49:37.695 --> 0:49:40.295 I'm reading through the article. It was on the Herald 0:49:40.975 --> 0:49:46.095 during this week. New home owner satisfaction is also going 0:49:46.135 --> 0:49:50.295 in the wrong direction. In twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent 0:49:50.975 --> 0:49:54.935 rated their builder on the overall quality of the home 0:49:55.055 --> 0:49:59.415 as good. Right, So twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent of 0:49:59.455 --> 0:50:02.335 people said that they thought their builder was good. In 0:50:02.495 --> 0:50:05.735 twenty twenty three, the most recently surveyed year, this had 0:50:05.775 --> 0:50:12.215 dropped a eighty one percent people recommending. In twenty seventeen, 0:50:12.295 --> 0:50:15.815 seventy percent of new homeowners were likely to recommend their builder. 0:50:16.135 --> 0:50:19.415 By twenty twenty three, this had dropped to sixty one percent, 0:50:20.455 --> 0:50:24.295 and the proportion unlikely to recommend their builder had risen 0:50:24.575 --> 0:50:28.255 to thirty two percent. Oh, there's going to be some 0:50:28.335 --> 0:50:30.735 great detail in this. We'll We'll be chatting with brands 0:50:30.815 --> 0:50:32.655 during the week and I'll have that interview for you 0:50:32.895 --> 0:50:35.095 next week as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 0:50:35.175 --> 0:50:37.935 eighty is the number to call Robbie. Greetings. 0:50:39.295 --> 0:50:42.735 Yes, goodn't winning Pete. Hey, Robbie, I just thought I 0:50:42.895 --> 0:50:46.335 might put the records straight on the gas buddle situation. 0:50:48.015 --> 0:50:51.855 All the gas bottles, Sorry, Robbie, just to I know 0:50:52.215 --> 0:50:54.335 in the in the note that I've got, you're a 0:50:54.415 --> 0:50:55.375 certified gas fitter. 0:50:56.375 --> 0:50:59.015 Yes, yeah, cool, go for it. 0:50:59.375 --> 0:51:01.935 Yeah. I have been in the business for four ideas 0:51:03.975 --> 0:51:07.215 the thing is incluse with the gas bottles the cooked top, 0:51:07.295 --> 0:51:10.415 and he takes a small quantity of gas yep. So 0:51:10.735 --> 0:51:12.855 to put it on a nine kg is quite code. 0:51:14.015 --> 0:51:18.095 So the bottles are all felt the same pressure, so 0:51:18.295 --> 0:51:19.415 they don't vary at all. 0:51:20.775 --> 0:51:21.135 But with. 0:51:23.095 --> 0:51:29.415 The forty fives are better on a water heater because 0:51:29.495 --> 0:51:35.095 a water heater consumes far more gas than a cook top. Yes, 0:51:35.375 --> 0:51:39.455 so it's it's the ability for the gas can the 0:51:39.695 --> 0:51:44.255 liquid to convert to gas. So the volume of the 0:51:44.735 --> 0:51:49.655 in the forty five, it's got a greater opportunity of 0:51:50.215 --> 0:51:55.095 the heat from the outside to convert the liquid into gas. 0:51:58.735 --> 0:51:59.535 All right, yep. 0:52:01.015 --> 0:52:04.695 So if you if you were to swap from a 0:52:04.775 --> 0:52:07.975 forty five the big steep bottles right to the smaller 0:52:08.255 --> 0:52:12.015 of barbecue bottle the nine kg on a califon. Is 0:52:12.495 --> 0:52:15.175 the issue just about the volume. It's not about the pressure. 0:52:16.815 --> 0:52:19.295 Nothing to do with pressure, right. Pressure will take its 0:52:19.455 --> 0:52:24.775 insideration from the amount that's in there. And because the heat, 0:52:25.055 --> 0:52:27.695 the latent heat goes into the gas and converts it 0:52:28.055 --> 0:52:31.615 sorry into the liquid and converts it to gas. That's 0:52:31.655 --> 0:52:36.655 where the factor is. So the supply of gas water 0:52:36.735 --> 0:52:41.975 here is considerably larger than a cook top, so it's 0:52:42.055 --> 0:52:45.855 got to be otherwise. It's the situations. Say, if you 0:52:45.975 --> 0:52:48.455 go into a restaurant situation where you've got four or 0:52:48.495 --> 0:52:51.775 five gas bottles and they're already pouring on the gas 0:52:51.855 --> 0:52:56.255 in the morning, you'll get that situation to freeze up. 0:52:56.975 --> 0:53:01.095 It'll work like a refrigerator because there's too much liquid 0:53:01.255 --> 0:53:02.255 coming through the line. 0:53:05.255 --> 0:53:07.575 Earlier on, we we also had a conversation with a 0:53:07.615 --> 0:53:11.455 gentlemen who obviously the company that are delivering the bottles 0:53:11.535 --> 0:53:15.255 that they use for gas hot water. We're doing a 0:53:15.295 --> 0:53:17.895 bit of an audit and identified that there was an 0:53:17.935 --> 0:53:22.615 ignition source being an outdoor power point and a pump 0:53:23.415 --> 0:53:25.055 too close to the gas bottle. 0:53:25.375 --> 0:53:26.815 But it was around a corner. 0:53:27.575 --> 0:53:27.735 You know. 0:53:28.015 --> 0:53:29.695 So if you've got let's say, to a corner to 0:53:29.775 --> 0:53:32.375 the gas bottle is eight hundred milimeters and then from 0:53:32.415 --> 0:53:34.655 that corner, go round the corner to where the pumpers 0:53:34.695 --> 0:53:37.655 and with an outdoor power point that was another three 0:53:37.735 --> 0:53:40.615 hundred milimeters, So it's not the one point five required, 0:53:40.735 --> 0:53:43.055 But would you look at that and go Actually, the 0:53:43.135 --> 0:53:46.295 fact is it's around the corner. The ignition sources sort 0:53:46.335 --> 0:53:46.935 of sheltered. 0:53:48.135 --> 0:53:52.815 It's relatively low risk or should be stretching the situation 0:53:52.935 --> 0:53:53.295 will eave it. 0:53:55.575 --> 0:53:57.815 So what what would be the solution? 0:54:01.575 --> 0:54:04.295 So I don't know whether they're sort of you know, 0:54:06.375 --> 0:54:08.735 beyond that, maybe because I. 0:54:09.175 --> 0:54:11.055 Think too sometimes we have a bit of a short 0:54:11.135 --> 0:54:14.015 memory around these things. And I know there was an incident, 0:54:15.535 --> 0:54:18.015 there's quite a well known incident where it was actually 0:54:18.095 --> 0:54:21.335 the fault of the gas fitter who had left a 0:54:21.495 --> 0:54:26.735 mains connection uncapped during servicing and that caused the house 0:54:26.775 --> 0:54:30.775 to explode. But there was another case where remember a 0:54:30.935 --> 0:54:35.135 family were living in sort of like a tiny house. 0:54:35.215 --> 0:54:38.655 They were running some of their gas their cooking off 0:54:38.695 --> 0:54:41.735 a gas bottle. The gas bottle hadn't been checked. There 0:54:41.855 --> 0:54:44.215 was a slow leak, and when they came in and 0:54:44.295 --> 0:54:47.415 turned the light switch on, the tiny little spark from 0:54:47.455 --> 0:54:50.415 the light switch was enough to ignite the gas that 0:54:50.535 --> 0:54:54.335 had accumulated in that building and blew up the building. Basically, 0:54:54.855 --> 0:54:57.735 So I wonder whether sometimes we get a bit complacent 0:54:57.815 --> 0:55:03.935 around you know, the potential for harm from gas. If 0:55:03.975 --> 0:55:06.695 it's if we've become a bit placement. 0:55:08.055 --> 0:55:09.935 Well, couldn't have the rigs, of course, you shouldn't have 0:55:10.015 --> 0:55:13.415 the gas bottle inside, right, put in a proper cover 0:55:13.655 --> 0:55:19.975 with ventilation and so on. So but what I got 0:55:20.095 --> 0:55:25.175 back from the board on the house blowing up was 0:55:25.255 --> 0:55:28.495 the fact that the gas that went away, he did 0:55:28.615 --> 0:55:32.255 not cap it all. Homeowner came home, wanted to shower, 0:55:32.575 --> 0:55:35.655 quickly went out to the street. What I can understand, 0:55:36.375 --> 0:55:37.335 and turned the gas on. 0:55:39.455 --> 0:55:41.135 Did they go to the street or did they just 0:55:41.215 --> 0:55:43.375 go to where the met was outside and turn the 0:55:43.455 --> 0:55:44.015 meta back on? 0:55:44.535 --> 0:55:52.375 Well, whatever was the owner created the situation from that point. 0:55:52.135 --> 0:55:55.175 Of view by turning it on. Yes, that's right. 0:55:55.255 --> 0:55:58.695 And the I don't know if it's miscommunication or whatever, 0:55:58.855 --> 0:56:02.215 but I mean, gee, the impact was enormous, wasn't it. 0:56:02.375 --> 0:56:07.615 I mean, the house was gone tremendous. It's not one 0:56:07.655 --> 0:56:09.655 of the things. But we do have a very very 0:56:09.695 --> 0:56:11.295 good tafety record in New Zealand. 0:56:11.415 --> 0:56:12.855 Yeah, and. 0:56:14.935 --> 0:56:16.815 There was one down two to cart. There was a 0:56:16.895 --> 0:56:20.975 landlord of the home and and lady came home, lit 0:56:21.055 --> 0:56:22.975 it up and blew the side out of the house. 0:56:22.975 --> 0:56:24.575 I don't know what they're a killed writing. It may 0:56:24.655 --> 0:56:28.255 have done right, So you know, you really have to 0:56:28.695 --> 0:56:32.175 stick with the stick with the trade that knows surely 0:56:32.255 --> 0:56:32.775 all about it. 0:56:32.975 --> 0:56:36.455 So yeah, and that's I think that's also part of 0:56:36.495 --> 0:56:38.495 the reason that you guess that it is a certified 0:56:38.535 --> 0:56:41.415 So it's that next level of qualification. Interesting to see though, 0:56:42.015 --> 0:56:45.015 is more and more discussion around plumbers being certified now 0:56:45.095 --> 0:56:48.375 as well, so having a similar sort of level of 0:56:48.495 --> 0:56:52.415 responsibility I guess as as guess that does traditionally have had. 0:56:53.615 --> 0:56:57.535 Well, that's that's that's something that there the PROBS board 0:56:57.735 --> 0:57:02.055 and us as plumbers looking to get to do. But 0:57:02.215 --> 0:57:06.655 of course the gas has got a greater energy hard 0:57:07.135 --> 0:57:09.215 safety stuff to factor. 0:57:09.735 --> 0:57:12.055 Appreciate you taking the time to call through Robie. Really 0:57:12.455 --> 0:57:14.775 great insights from you. Thank you very very much for 0:57:14.855 --> 0:57:17.655 that your news talks, he'd be we are talking all 0:57:17.735 --> 0:57:20.335 things building, including the rigs and the rules, and I 0:57:20.415 --> 0:57:23.375 think too sometimes we kind of lose sight of why 0:57:23.495 --> 0:57:28.135 we have the rules and the regulations because typically there's 0:57:28.215 --> 0:57:34.415 potential for harm, right, and while they're unusual, you know, 0:57:34.455 --> 0:57:38.695 there have been situations we're building collapses or collapses are 0:57:38.815 --> 0:57:43.535 part of a building structure have caused either serious injury 0:57:43.695 --> 0:57:48.575 or in some case death, So you know, I think 0:57:48.655 --> 0:57:53.415 sometimes we get I feel that sometimes the discussion is around, ah, 0:57:53.495 --> 0:57:55.975 there's too many rules and so on, and there might 0:57:56.015 --> 0:57:58.615 be a solid argument for that, But I think sometimes 0:57:58.655 --> 0:58:00.295 we lose sight of the fact that the rules are 0:58:00.295 --> 0:58:03.455 there to ensure that harm doesn't occur. Oh, you may 0:58:03.495 --> 0:58:05.135 care to comment on that. I might be getting a 0:58:05.175 --> 0:58:08.335 bit on the whole thing. Maybe I should loose enough 0:58:08.375 --> 0:58:10.855 of it. You tell me. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 0:58:10.895 --> 0:58:16.895 We're talking building construction, and oh, decks. We've been talking 0:58:16.935 --> 0:58:18.655 a bit about decks, because you can build decks, some 0:58:18.855 --> 0:58:21.975 types of decks in terms of height, in location, and 0:58:22.055 --> 0:58:27.055 so on, without necessarily requiring a building consent. Hey, pete, 0:58:27.095 --> 0:58:28.975 how can a bear on a new deck be closer 0:58:29.015 --> 0:58:30.615 than one hundred and fifty to the ground by not 0:58:30.775 --> 0:58:33.255 being H four or not? Well, you'd want to make 0:58:33.295 --> 0:58:39.895 it H four with floors. Like floors for a house, 0:58:39.975 --> 0:58:44.615 for example, there's a minimum crawl space required underneath. That's 0:58:44.775 --> 0:58:47.855 not the case for decks. So I was on one 0:58:47.895 --> 0:58:50.015 the other day that might have been thirty or forty 0:58:50.055 --> 0:58:55.735 milimeters above finished ground level to where the bearer was, 0:58:55.895 --> 0:58:58.695 and then the choice werenogged in between because they wanted 0:58:58.695 --> 0:59:00.615 it to be as low as possible. So you just 0:59:00.695 --> 0:59:03.095 do all of that in H four and you'll be fine. 0:59:03.335 --> 0:59:05.415 Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to. 0:59:05.455 --> 0:59:10.055 Calling you get those DIY projects done right. The resident 0:59:10.095 --> 0:59:14.855 builder with BEATABLESCAT call us TALKSB. 0:59:17.575 --> 0:59:20.055 Just gone seven thirty Here a news TALKSB and the 0:59:20.135 --> 0:59:22.535 lines are open for you. Leslie as text back, just 0:59:22.695 --> 0:59:25.695 this is about the internal garage. So garage attached to 0:59:25.775 --> 0:59:30.615 the house but not insulated. The ceiling's not insulated and 0:59:30.775 --> 0:59:33.375 LESSI texs back. Hey forgot to mention the garage has 0:59:33.455 --> 0:59:35.815 internal access, so we would have assumed it would have 0:59:35.935 --> 0:59:45.295 been insulated. And look again, what what is quite common, 0:59:45.495 --> 0:59:48.135 whether it's the builder that drives it or the developer 0:59:48.175 --> 0:59:52.815 that drives it, is that in terms of the code, 0:59:52.855 --> 0:59:55.975 you only have to insulate the habitable spaces, right, So 0:59:56.095 --> 1:00:00.055 you're creating a thermal envelope around the habitable spaces of 1:00:00.095 --> 1:00:03.575 the house, the garage which might be attached and in 1:00:03.655 --> 1:00:05.575 this case it is attached to the house and it 1:00:05.695 --> 1:00:09.455 has internal access. What the builder or the developer would 1:00:09.495 --> 1:00:11.495 need to do is insulate the roof space of the 1:00:11.575 --> 1:00:15.895 house and insulate the wall between the garage and the 1:00:17.575 --> 1:00:20.775 rest of the house to ensure that that's the thermal envelope. 1:00:21.935 --> 1:00:24.775 And I guess what it means for the builder developer 1:00:25.575 --> 1:00:27.495 is oh, I get to save a bit on insulation 1:00:28.415 --> 1:00:29.855 and I don't need to do it and all the 1:00:29.935 --> 1:00:32.735 rest of it because it's not part of the habitable space. 1:00:32.855 --> 1:00:34.815 But yeah, in the end you end up with a 1:00:34.895 --> 1:00:38.815 cold garage trapping cold air against the building. 1:00:42.175 --> 1:00:42.375 Yeah. 1:00:43.095 --> 1:00:45.255 I think it's a good idea to insulate garages if 1:00:45.335 --> 1:00:47.535 you can. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 1:00:47.655 --> 1:00:50.615 the number to call. Thanks very much for that text again, 1:00:50.855 --> 1:00:57.735 Leslie Peter Greetings, Hi, Hey, hey. 1:00:58.415 --> 1:01:02.775 II, good good. I have a upstairs deck with which 1:01:02.895 --> 1:01:06.575 is supported by external poles, and I need to move 1:01:06.695 --> 1:01:09.615 one of the polls to create a space for put 1:01:09.655 --> 1:01:13.615 a car underneath. I have a building consent from the council, 1:01:14.255 --> 1:01:15.295 which I'm quite happy to. 1:01:15.335 --> 1:01:19.095 Have got for the original wondering or for the change 1:01:20.535 --> 1:01:21.975 for the change, okay. 1:01:22.215 --> 1:01:22.295 And. 1:01:23.895 --> 1:01:27.975 What I'm wondering is I have a friend who's a 1:01:28.095 --> 1:01:34.015 young guy who's about five years pastors building apprenticeship. He's 1:01:34.055 --> 1:01:40.015 not an LBP, and wondering do I need an LBP 1:01:40.335 --> 1:01:43.615 to have the work carried out properly and legally. 1:01:44.895 --> 1:01:48.455 In terms of the actual legislation. What's required is because 1:01:48.495 --> 1:01:51.215 you've got a building consent that makes it restricted building work. 1:01:52.255 --> 1:01:56.775 Restricted building work can be can only be done or 1:01:56.895 --> 1:02:00.535 supervised by an LBP. So let's say the young guy, 1:02:01.695 --> 1:02:04.135 to be fair, there's really no excuse for not being 1:02:04.175 --> 1:02:06.975 an LBP. If he's done his time, he should get registered, 1:02:07.175 --> 1:02:09.855 So I'd put that pressure on him to be blunt. 1:02:10.295 --> 1:02:12.535 The other thing is if he's not an LBP for 1:02:12.655 --> 1:02:16.415 whatever reason, then you will need to contract an LBP 1:02:17.015 --> 1:02:20.055 to do it, to do the supervision. 1:02:21.815 --> 1:02:24.415 And what is the involvement in terms of I had 1:02:24.415 --> 1:02:28.175 it the plans all drawn up by a structural engineer, yep. 1:02:29.215 --> 1:02:31.615 What is their involvement in terms of the process. 1:02:33.215 --> 1:02:36.135 It'll depend a little bit on the consent conditions, but 1:02:36.335 --> 1:02:41.335 chances are if there was specific engineering involved, the engineer 1:02:41.375 --> 1:02:43.815 will probably want to come out, for example, and have 1:02:43.895 --> 1:02:46.935 a look at the bearing of the hole you dig 1:02:47.175 --> 1:02:49.455 for the new post. I presume what you're doing is 1:02:49.495 --> 1:02:53.455 putting in a new post. If you're extending the span 1:02:53.615 --> 1:02:56.095 of the beam or the lintel that's supporting the deck, 1:02:56.615 --> 1:02:58.415 they may want to come and have a look at 1:02:58.455 --> 1:03:00.295 that to make sure that it's the right one. So 1:03:00.415 --> 1:03:03.455 typically they would have done a PS one for the 1:03:03.535 --> 1:03:08.215 design produce a statement, and then to close off the 1:03:08.335 --> 1:03:10.815 work from the engineer's point of view, they will offer 1:03:10.975 --> 1:03:14.295 up a PS four after they've inspected the work to 1:03:14.375 --> 1:03:17.335 go actually you have done it correctly. So for example, 1:03:17.375 --> 1:03:20.495 if I don't know, let's say it's a double three 1:03:20.575 --> 1:03:23.415 hundred by fifty is the new lintel, but they were 1:03:23.735 --> 1:03:26.495 short on that down the road, and your builder picked 1:03:26.575 --> 1:03:29.375 up two two fifties and put them in instead, and 1:03:29.455 --> 1:03:31.575 when she'll be right, the engineer should pick that up, 1:03:31.615 --> 1:03:35.135 and so should the council inspector. So I would say 1:03:35.175 --> 1:03:38.535 that your first inspection is likely to be when the 1:03:38.655 --> 1:03:43.535 whole is dug for the new post, and council will 1:03:43.575 --> 1:03:48.415 need to inspect that, and then your engineer most likely 1:03:48.535 --> 1:03:50.095 will want to have a look at that as well, 1:03:51.175 --> 1:03:54.615 which I know sounds like a lot of work, but yeah, I. 1:03:55.135 --> 1:03:59.335 Want it done properly. Yeah yeah, so okay, no, that's great. 1:03:59.415 --> 1:04:01.615 And then there's things like you know, like counsel will 1:04:01.655 --> 1:04:06.655 probably want to keep the receipt for the concrete because 1:04:06.775 --> 1:04:10.615 if again, if for example, its specified as twenty MPa, 1:04:12.695 --> 1:04:15.295 which is the strength of the concrete and a particular 1:04:15.415 --> 1:04:18.015 type of mix, they'll they'll want proof that that's the 1:04:18.135 --> 1:04:19.015 concrete that went in. 1:04:20.855 --> 1:04:24.015 Right, okay, these sorts of things in terms of right. 1:04:24.175 --> 1:04:28.335 In terms of the LBP, he will actually sign that, 1:04:29.175 --> 1:04:31.295 he will supervise it and sign that work off. 1:04:31.855 --> 1:04:34.935 The LBP would will need to give a record of 1:04:34.975 --> 1:04:38.415 work at the end of the job, so they'll and 1:04:38.975 --> 1:04:42.735 and they'll just say if for example, they only did 1:04:42.775 --> 1:04:46.175 the supervision, they'll just tick. There's a sort of a 1:04:46.895 --> 1:04:49.575 pro former type sheet that you can get and download 1:04:49.615 --> 1:04:52.335 it from the internet and go, you know, footings, tick 1:04:52.695 --> 1:04:56.535 and then supervised and then a brief description of what 1:04:56.655 --> 1:05:00.255 the work is. And you'll need that for the final inspection. 1:05:00.375 --> 1:05:03.175 You'll certainly need that, So i'd encourage you as soon 1:05:03.215 --> 1:05:06.815 as the job's finished, get the final inspection, get get 1:05:06.855 --> 1:05:12.415 that passed, and then submit for your CCC straightaway, just 1:05:12.695 --> 1:05:13.895 just to close the contract. 1:05:15.095 --> 1:05:17.135 The final inspection is done by the LBP. 1:05:17.655 --> 1:05:20.295 No final inspection will be done by the council. So 1:05:20.415 --> 1:05:24.335 the council will come along and when the job's done, 1:05:24.655 --> 1:05:27.055 they'll check things like the post and the beam and 1:05:27.135 --> 1:05:28.775 the connections and all the rest of it in any 1:05:28.855 --> 1:05:33.175 other consent conditions, and then if it's a pass on 1:05:33.255 --> 1:05:37.575 the final inspection, they'll they'll send you an email that 1:05:37.655 --> 1:05:41.335 says yep, final inspection done and then you submit for 1:05:41.375 --> 1:05:44.215 a CCC and that's your responsibility as the homeowner. 1:05:45.495 --> 1:05:48.375 Okay, all right, excellent, thank you very much. 1:05:48.815 --> 1:05:52.175 All I can say, and I've changed my opinion on 1:05:52.295 --> 1:05:55.215 this quite a bit over the years, is do the 1:05:55.335 --> 1:05:58.655 CCC as quickly as you can and get it out 1:05:58.655 --> 1:06:01.695 of the way, and don't put it in the in 1:06:01.815 --> 1:06:03.695 the drawer and go. I'll get round to that later on. 1:06:03.935 --> 1:06:06.655 Just crack and get it done and get it so off. 1:06:06.815 --> 1:06:09.415 All right, mate, all the best of you, take care. 1:06:11.735 --> 1:06:15.575 And in that sense, I think some people last year 1:06:15.575 --> 1:06:17.655 on the show, people were talking about getting a letter 1:06:17.855 --> 1:06:23.535 from councils from the territorial authority after a final inspection 1:06:23.655 --> 1:06:26.095 saying you've got six weeks to do the CCC. And 1:06:26.255 --> 1:06:30.055 I went through and had I tried to find something 1:06:30.295 --> 1:06:33.215 in law that says that you need to do it 1:06:33.295 --> 1:06:37.135 within that period of time. I couldn't find anything. I'm 1:06:37.175 --> 1:06:39.055 happy to be corrected if there is. 1:06:39.135 --> 1:06:40.575 A requirement. 1:06:42.295 --> 1:06:45.415 In terms of a timeline, because the other issue is 1:06:45.495 --> 1:06:48.855 that if you don't do it and then I think 1:06:48.975 --> 1:06:51.255 after is it a year? I think it might be 1:06:51.295 --> 1:06:55.815 a year after the final inspection. You can't submit without 1:06:55.935 --> 1:06:58.655 doing another final inspection, which opens you up to the 1:06:58.695 --> 1:07:04.935 possibility that something else will be found. I know complicated. 1:07:05.015 --> 1:07:07.775 A seven eight Here at US talk C B eight 1:07:07.895 --> 1:07:11.455 hundred eighty is the number to call. We'll talked to Charlotte. 1:07:12.015 --> 1:07:12.855 Hello Charlotte. 1:07:13.895 --> 1:07:16.895 Oh Hi, good morning, Pete, thanks so much. Good morning. 1:07:17.535 --> 1:07:22.015 I'm in Auckland and I have a question please about 1:07:23.175 --> 1:07:27.295 whether a consent was required for a building was required 1:07:27.335 --> 1:07:33.335 for a garage conversion. So we bought the property that 1:07:33.375 --> 1:07:37.175 were in in Red March, and there have been a 1:07:37.255 --> 1:07:42.735 number of repairs, including a large deck that they get 1:07:42.815 --> 1:07:47.015 a building consent, and it was also a garage conversion. 1:07:47.495 --> 1:07:52.975 Now they had taken out the garage door and replaced 1:07:53.015 --> 1:07:56.615 it with a wall and window, and on the side 1:07:56.695 --> 1:07:59.575 the wall that faces out into the garden, they'd taken 1:07:59.775 --> 1:08:04.335 that window out and put in double bifol doors and 1:08:04.575 --> 1:08:08.575 there's garage carpet in there. And it was advertised as 1:08:09.615 --> 1:08:14.695 possible teenage hangout or a place for an office, but 1:08:15.135 --> 1:08:19.735 in their photographs and also in the open home inspections, 1:08:20.415 --> 1:08:23.495 it was dressed as a bedroom with a very nice bed, 1:08:23.935 --> 1:08:27.855 bedside table. Pictures on the wall, and so on three 1:08:27.935 --> 1:08:33.335 weeks after we moved in, it flooded, flooded quite badly. 1:08:33.495 --> 1:08:36.935 It was during the over easter. There was a lot 1:08:36.975 --> 1:08:41.015 of rain in Auckland, and when the remediators came and 1:08:41.215 --> 1:08:44.695 cut out the wall, they said, wow, that wall where 1:08:44.775 --> 1:08:50.135 the garage door would have been has no waterproofing in 1:08:50.255 --> 1:08:52.855 it at all. So the water, instead of going into 1:08:52.935 --> 1:08:57.295 the little drain and drain grill, just went straight through 1:08:57.535 --> 1:09:02.775 into the property. So I'm just working on sorting things 1:09:02.815 --> 1:09:07.295 out at the moment, and I am hoping that I 1:09:07.495 --> 1:09:12.695 can get the vendor to a for the repairs, because 1:09:13.535 --> 1:09:16.855 I just got quite a hefty quote here that says 1:09:16.975 --> 1:09:20.975 that wall has to come out the completely changed before 1:09:21.015 --> 1:09:24.295 we can go ahead and get the insurance work done. 1:09:24.935 --> 1:09:28.015 And I just wondered you had any opinions on that. 1:09:29.775 --> 1:09:31.615 Funnily enough, I do so. 1:09:32.775 --> 1:09:33.215 I think. 1:09:35.255 --> 1:09:37.335 So you purchased this house how long ago. 1:09:39.215 --> 1:09:42.855 Moved in three weeks for the flooding in late. 1:09:42.815 --> 1:09:45.415 March three. 1:09:48.615 --> 1:09:53.615 This year, Okay, and did the was the vendor the 1:09:53.735 --> 1:09:57.095 person who did the change of use for the garage, 1:09:57.655 --> 1:10:00.775 like converted it from a garage to habitable space. Yes, 1:10:03.215 --> 1:10:07.655 And that wasn't declared on the sale and purchase agreement. 1:10:09.775 --> 1:10:12.295 You mean as a as a consented change. 1:10:12.855 --> 1:10:14.015 Well, was it consented? 1:10:15.415 --> 1:10:19.135 No, there was no there. As I say, they did 1:10:19.215 --> 1:10:23.375 get a building consent. I've got all the property papers 1:10:23.415 --> 1:10:26.295 from council and obviously a live report, and there is 1:10:26.535 --> 1:10:31.415 a building consent for the for the deck that they built, 1:10:32.455 --> 1:10:36.175 but nothing for the garage. Now, the real estate agent 1:10:37.335 --> 1:10:41.695 told me that they had been told by the vendor 1:10:42.135 --> 1:10:43.015 that the consent. 1:10:42.935 --> 1:10:43.735 Was not needed. 1:10:46.735 --> 1:10:54.335 Uhhh no, absolutely not. I've actually got that in a 1:10:54.455 --> 1:10:57.095 in a text from the real Well, I'd hold on 1:10:57.255 --> 1:11:01.455 to that flooding and said, look this has happened, and 1:11:01.895 --> 1:11:06.135 he said, because well, yeah, that's basically what he said. 1:11:06.615 --> 1:11:18.655 Okay, I guess where I'm slightly flabbergasted is that, you know, 1:11:18.735 --> 1:11:22.495 I don't know any I don't know any professional who 1:11:23.055 --> 1:11:25.695 would say you don't need a consent for a change 1:11:25.735 --> 1:11:26.095 of use. 1:11:26.255 --> 1:11:28.055 Right, we all know, right. 1:11:29.655 --> 1:11:32.375 I would have expected more from the real estate agent 1:11:32.655 --> 1:11:36.175 in terms of they should know that. It's pretty basic 1:11:37.015 --> 1:11:41.295 building knowledge. So I would hang on to that text 1:11:41.455 --> 1:11:48.095 because you might need that in evidence. And yeah, look 1:11:48.975 --> 1:11:50.655 if the work was if it was a garage and 1:11:50.735 --> 1:11:53.495 it was converted and it's now a habitable space, and 1:11:53.615 --> 1:11:58.575 it was sold as a habitable space. Can I also 1:11:59.295 --> 1:12:02.215 very delicately asked, did you get a pre purchase inspection 1:12:02.375 --> 1:12:03.655 before settling on the property. 1:12:04.815 --> 1:12:10.895 Interestingly enough that there were no comments made on that space, 1:12:11.335 --> 1:12:15.975 But he in his report he thought it was a bedroom. 1:12:16.935 --> 1:12:21.095 He reported the property as a four bedroom rather than 1:12:21.135 --> 1:12:25.055 a three bedroom space, so he actually. 1:12:25.055 --> 1:12:27.975 This was on the pre purchase report. So the person 1:12:28.295 --> 1:12:31.535 undertaking the pre purchase report on your behalf, which you've 1:12:31.575 --> 1:12:36.775 paid for, didn't raise a question about has this got 1:12:36.815 --> 1:12:41.215 a building consent? No, he didn't to be Look, I'll 1:12:41.295 --> 1:12:47.215 be really honest. That's really poor, right, So I think 1:12:47.335 --> 1:12:53.295 that again, you know, a reasonable level of diligence or 1:12:53.455 --> 1:12:58.135 knowledge would say that someone undertaking pre purchase reports as 1:12:58.215 --> 1:13:03.135 a business should have highlighted to you, Hey, you know 1:13:03.975 --> 1:13:07.095 because on the original building plans it might be still 1:13:07.135 --> 1:13:09.815 at council, it'll show the house and a garage, right, 1:13:09.895 --> 1:13:12.815 and what you've got now is a house without that 1:13:12.975 --> 1:13:15.055 garage and with an extra bedroom. 1:13:15.455 --> 1:13:21.295 So that with respace. And the argument was, yes, it 1:13:21.695 --> 1:13:27.735 was advertised with a bet edit, but that it wasn't 1:13:28.215 --> 1:13:32.535 necessarily because it had garage. It now has garage carpet 1:13:32.615 --> 1:13:34.895 on it, that maybe it's just like a man cave 1:13:35.175 --> 1:13:39.055 or something like that, and therefore didn't need a building consent. 1:13:40.335 --> 1:13:42.535 It absolutely needs a building consent. 1:13:43.095 --> 1:13:45.375 Right, all right, that's really interesting. 1:13:47.015 --> 1:13:47.815 In my opinion. 1:13:47.975 --> 1:13:49.575 I mean, I'm happy to be challenged on it, but 1:13:49.655 --> 1:13:52.535 in my opinion it would have done. If I was 1:13:52.575 --> 1:13:55.255 acting for you, I would probably say to you, we 1:13:55.375 --> 1:13:57.535 need to do more research on that. Go and get 1:13:57.575 --> 1:14:00.015 the property file, find out and find out whether there 1:14:00.095 --> 1:14:07.135 was a building consent for this. Otherwise, Yeah, have you 1:14:07.295 --> 1:14:10.695 had any discussions with your lawyers about who you might 1:14:10.815 --> 1:14:11.935 take action against? 1:14:13.215 --> 1:14:15.495 I am about to. 1:14:15.575 --> 1:14:19.175 Do that actually over this weekend. And now that I've 1:14:19.215 --> 1:14:21.815 got this body of knowledge and just listening to you 1:14:21.895 --> 1:14:25.375 this morning, I thought I would, yeah, get you call, 1:14:25.495 --> 1:14:27.935 because I was starting to feel very strongly that I 1:14:28.095 --> 1:14:28.575 needed one. 1:14:28.655 --> 1:14:29.935 But of course, you can start to. 1:14:29.935 --> 1:14:32.895 Get quite subjective about these things, so I thought it 1:14:33.055 --> 1:14:35.175 could be useful just to hear your point of view. 1:14:35.495 --> 1:14:38.295 I tell you what, just as a as a sort 1:14:38.295 --> 1:14:41.695 of an interesting exercise on your and I might do 1:14:41.815 --> 1:14:45.615 the same. There's a if you go to the MBI website, 1:14:45.655 --> 1:14:46.695 there's can I build it? 1:14:46.855 --> 1:14:47.015 Right? 1:14:48.775 --> 1:14:51.895 And it's like a flow chart thing. Yes, no, yes, snow, ye, snow. 1:14:52.415 --> 1:14:55.055 So you could you could go find that online type 1:14:55.135 --> 1:14:59.295 in converting a garage to a bedroom and see whether 1:14:59.375 --> 1:15:01.415 it tells you to have a building consent. That's that's 1:15:01.455 --> 1:15:03.415 how straightforward it is. I'm going to do that during 1:15:03.455 --> 1:15:08.055 the break as well. But in my opinion, I think 1:15:08.175 --> 1:15:11.015 that it needed a building consent. And part of the 1:15:11.055 --> 1:15:14.135 reason is that the building consent would have picked up 1:15:14.175 --> 1:15:17.855 things like how easy is it for this building to flood? Right, 1:15:17.975 --> 1:15:20.415 so what is the floor level, what's the drainage, what's 1:15:20.495 --> 1:15:24.335 the waterproofing around it, like etcetera, etcetera, And those sorts 1:15:24.335 --> 1:15:26.335 of things would have been picked up in the building consent, 1:15:26.775 --> 1:15:30.255 and it's less likely that would have flooded. Lots of 1:15:30.295 --> 1:15:33.295 places that had building consents still flooded during those floods, 1:15:34.415 --> 1:15:37.775 so you know, it's not a guarantee that it won't flood, 1:15:37.855 --> 1:15:42.335 but it will certainly help you. So look in my opinion, 1:15:42.495 --> 1:15:45.215 and to be fair, and someone just text this as well. 1:15:47.255 --> 1:15:49.335 A little bit surprised that your lawyer didn't pick it 1:15:49.455 --> 1:15:54.535 up as well, yes, which is a bit challenging. So 1:15:54.735 --> 1:15:59.455 right now you've got the vendor who possibly has been deceptive, 1:15:59.855 --> 1:16:05.055 the agent who's been not particularly well informed, a pre 1:16:05.175 --> 1:16:09.295 purchased inspection person who has let you down, I think, 1:16:09.615 --> 1:16:12.015 and and potentially a lawyer who should have picked that 1:16:12.215 --> 1:16:14.255 up as well in doing the due diligence. 1:16:16.335 --> 1:16:19.015 All right, I really appreciate your Sorry, it's. 1:16:18.935 --> 1:16:25.495 Not great news, but help me make this one hundred percent. 1:16:26.255 --> 1:16:30.095 Please let us know how you get on. Take care 1:16:30.255 --> 1:16:33.095 all the very best you, Charlotte, take care byeey right. 1:16:33.135 --> 1:16:35.135 We'll be back after the break with Winston. 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But interestingly enough, I'm reading an extract from 1:19:41.855 --> 1:19:46.695 the Auckland Council website converting non habitable spaces to habitable Spaces. 1:19:47.175 --> 1:19:49.575 The purpose of this practice note is to describe how 1:19:49.655 --> 1:19:53.135 residential building can sent applications involving the conversion of non 1:19:53.255 --> 1:19:57.815 habitable spaces to a habitable space should be assessed for compliance. 1:19:58.655 --> 1:20:04.095 This is for single household residential dwellings where people live 1:20:04.215 --> 1:20:08.335 as a single household or family. Does not apply to 1:20:08.455 --> 1:20:13.055 the creation of new separate residential places within an existing building. 1:20:14.655 --> 1:20:16.655 And it goes on to actually say there is not 1:20:16.975 --> 1:20:20.815 actually a change of use requirement here, but it does 1:20:20.895 --> 1:20:23.455 go on to talk about building code requirements, and I 1:20:23.535 --> 1:20:25.855 hope more of a look on that. That's going to 1:20:25.895 --> 1:20:28.695 be particularly relevant to Charlotte As to whether or not 1:20:28.815 --> 1:20:31.295 the work needed a building consent. My sense is that 1:20:31.415 --> 1:20:33.615 it really should have got a building consent. 1:20:35.255 --> 1:20:35.895 Do we have time for. 1:20:35.895 --> 1:20:41.375 Winston like a minute, Let's see how we go Winston. 1:20:41.495 --> 1:20:42.895 Very quick question from you, sir. 1:20:43.255 --> 1:20:45.695 Okay, hi pety. I'm so I've got a walk in 1:20:45.775 --> 1:20:49.855 hospital shower and I want to put a kryl uh 1:20:50.375 --> 1:20:55.575 pod your place to go liner, Yes, on top of. 1:20:55.615 --> 1:20:58.255 It, yep, on top of it or sort of in 1:20:58.415 --> 1:21:01.375 the same place. So I'm in the same place. 1:21:01.495 --> 1:21:01.695 Yep. 1:21:01.855 --> 1:21:07.175 I'm like, uh, you know, liveling self living concrete one plumber, Yeah, 1:21:07.575 --> 1:21:11.615 extend the waist, can sell. It's a system drop. It's 1:21:11.695 --> 1:21:12.455 like a wishing well. 1:21:13.295 --> 1:21:13.495 Yeah. 1:21:13.615 --> 1:21:17.655 Sure, that sort of work because it's a pre formed 1:21:17.655 --> 1:21:19.775 shower tray, right, and I presume you're also going to 1:21:19.815 --> 1:21:22.175 have an acryltic liner, and then the doors are all 1:21:22.215 --> 1:21:25.535 part of the kit. Typically that work doesn't require a 1:21:25.615 --> 1:21:29.935 building consent, right, because the waterproofing is integral in the system. 1:21:30.735 --> 1:21:33.615 Where people often get tripped up is going the other way. 1:21:33.815 --> 1:21:37.375 Let's say, having a conventional shower and then wanting to 1:21:37.455 --> 1:21:40.215 take that out and having a level entry tiled shower 1:21:40.735 --> 1:21:44.015 with waterproofing and so on, and that typically triggers a 1:21:44.055 --> 1:21:46.775 requirement for a building consent. So I think the fact 1:21:46.775 --> 1:21:48.775 that you're going the other way means that you don't 1:21:48.775 --> 1:21:50.855 have to worry too much about getting a consent. 1:21:50.655 --> 1:21:54.095 For that, okay, And do you think the self leveling 1:21:54.175 --> 1:21:58.375 conquer will bridge that it goes from nothing to system 1:21:58.695 --> 1:22:01.455 milk the wasters can handle it, or does. 1:22:01.415 --> 1:22:04.135 It You might have to do a couple of layers. 1:22:04.215 --> 1:22:07.175 Just have a look at the actual speifications as to 1:22:07.255 --> 1:22:09.775 how much depth you can do there. If it's on 1:22:09.895 --> 1:22:12.255 a concrete floor, I'd probably feel quite confident about it. 1:22:12.295 --> 1:22:14.495 If you're doing floor leveling compound on top of timber, 1:22:14.815 --> 1:22:16.735 I'd say just frame it up and timber back. 1:22:16.775 --> 1:22:18.575 After the news doing. 1:22:18.455 --> 1:22:20.855 On the house storting the garden, asked Pete for a 1:22:20.935 --> 1:22:24.375 hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcab call oh eight 1:22:25.455 --> 1:22:27.855 eight news talks'bye news talks. 1:22:27.855 --> 1:22:30.135 They'd be just gone seven minutes after eight. We are 1:22:30.255 --> 1:22:32.935 taking your calls on all things building right up till 1:22:33.255 --> 1:22:36.215 eight thirty this morning. Then we're going to jump into 1:22:36.255 --> 1:22:38.855 the garden with the climb past and talk all things 1:22:39.335 --> 1:22:42.335 gardening and the wonderful world of bugs as well the 1:22:42.455 --> 1:22:45.455 other sort of there's all sorts of topics out there. 1:22:45.455 --> 1:22:48.935 There's so much discussion in the public sphere, let's say, 1:22:49.055 --> 1:22:54.295 around building and construction and energy efficiency and regulations and 1:22:54.375 --> 1:22:54.535 so on. 1:22:54.655 --> 1:22:55.335 At the moment that. 1:22:57.215 --> 1:22:58.735 From time to time I just want to kind of 1:22:58.815 --> 1:23:01.495 focus in on one or two of those issues that's 1:23:01.535 --> 1:23:05.295 out there, and this was It's been a bit of 1:23:05.335 --> 1:23:07.655 a pardoner the pun. It's been a bit of a 1:23:07.775 --> 1:23:14.215 hot topic over the summer about homeowners in fairly new 1:23:14.495 --> 1:23:18.815 townhouses reporting that you know, it's thirty odd degrees. There's 1:23:18.815 --> 1:23:21.455 a photograph on the article that I'm looking at at 1:23:22.535 --> 1:23:26.975 nine four minutes after nine in January in Auckland and 1:23:27.095 --> 1:23:34.255 it's thirty degrees inside somebody's bedroom. Now that's intolerable. Rights 1:23:35.335 --> 1:23:39.335 you can like warm, but that's crazy. And these new houses, 1:23:39.535 --> 1:23:41.695 so are they new houses that have got lots of 1:23:41.735 --> 1:23:45.815 insulation in them? Are they new houses that there's been 1:23:45.975 --> 1:23:51.175 sort of inadequate thought around heating and ventilation and overheating. 1:23:51.655 --> 1:23:53.415 So what's going on here? And to get a bit 1:23:53.415 --> 1:23:56.615 of an insight into this thought, I'd reach out to Storm, 1:23:56.655 --> 1:23:59.815 who has been on the show before, and we kind 1:23:59.855 --> 1:24:02.695 of bump into each other at different conferences around the place. 1:24:02.775 --> 1:24:05.175 Storm Harpen A very good morning. 1:24:04.935 --> 1:24:06.895 To you morning, Pet. 1:24:06.935 --> 1:24:08.255 How are you very well? 1:24:08.535 --> 1:24:12.295 Now the term expert is bandied around a little bit 1:24:12.335 --> 1:24:15.175 too much, but I am quite happy to refer to 1:24:15.255 --> 1:24:20.215 you as a ventilation expert because I've seen the stuff 1:24:20.255 --> 1:24:23.895 that you write about and it's fantastic and it's well 1:24:23.975 --> 1:24:28.295 informed and well researched. So over the summer and it's 1:24:28.335 --> 1:24:31.055 been great. We've had a glorious, nice, hot summer in 1:24:31.135 --> 1:24:34.695 Auckland anyway. But if you're sitting in a townhouse that's 1:24:34.775 --> 1:24:37.815 relatively new and it's thirty degrees in your bedroom at 1:24:37.895 --> 1:24:40.495 nine o'clock at night, what do you think is happening? 1:24:41.815 --> 1:24:45.295 Well, there's probably a few things happening there, and you've 1:24:45.375 --> 1:24:48.855 called out a couple of them already. Obviously we're concerned 1:24:48.855 --> 1:24:52.695 in these buls in particular. But what it really is 1:24:53.095 --> 1:24:56.135 is throughout the course of the day, we've put heat 1:24:56.215 --> 1:24:59.655 into the space, right, and that heat can come from 1:24:59.935 --> 1:25:02.895 multiple things. So the biggest one that we typically care 1:25:02.975 --> 1:25:05.415 heat coming into a home from is some coming in 1:25:05.495 --> 1:25:08.495 from outside. And so the guys who are suffering the 1:25:08.575 --> 1:25:12.935 most typically have north and west spacing, big window, big 1:25:12.975 --> 1:25:16.295 glazing areas, and as that sun's coming in, it heats 1:25:16.375 --> 1:25:18.815 up the air. We also do things inside our house 1:25:19.295 --> 1:25:25.095 living cooking, because that actually we have temperature too. We're 1:25:25.095 --> 1:25:28.295 always letting off temperature so we're doing all of these 1:25:28.375 --> 1:25:32.615 different things as well as that sun Now, what there 1:25:32.735 --> 1:25:35.855 was a big concern about, in particular with newtownhouses is 1:25:35.935 --> 1:25:38.215 that we're now trapping some of that heat. And we 1:25:38.295 --> 1:25:40.335 have to be really careful when we talk about trapping 1:25:40.415 --> 1:25:43.295 heat because trapping heat is something we actually want to 1:25:43.415 --> 1:25:47.015 intentionally do when we get to winter, right, we want 1:25:47.055 --> 1:25:50.615 to keep that warmth in, and so we have well 1:25:50.655 --> 1:25:54.175 insulated spaces that keep heat in, but we want to 1:25:54.215 --> 1:25:57.615 do that essentially, but interestingly they also keep heat out. 1:25:58.295 --> 1:26:01.935 Now that's when you're bringing heat through the walls the windows. 1:26:01.975 --> 1:26:04.415 On the other hand, that's sold the game that's coming 1:26:04.535 --> 1:26:07.935 straight through the window, So you've got that sunlight coming 1:26:07.975 --> 1:26:09.775 and that's when you get that heat. So some of 1:26:09.815 --> 1:26:12.935 the things we need to do. The biggest one, first 1:26:13.015 --> 1:26:15.935 off is actually get some extra air coming in from 1:26:15.935 --> 1:26:19.615 outside because when outside is cooler than inside, that's when 1:26:19.655 --> 1:26:24.215 you can get something called free cooling. So that is 1:26:24.255 --> 1:26:26.135 the one that I think has been one of the 1:26:26.175 --> 1:26:29.095 biggest challenges is that we can no longer open our 1:26:29.135 --> 1:26:33.295 windows enough to provide submission ventilation to balance our house 1:26:33.335 --> 1:26:33.935 with outside. 1:26:34.935 --> 1:26:36.535 Can we just have a look at that, because I 1:26:36.615 --> 1:26:41.415 think This is one of the well unintended consequences of 1:26:41.775 --> 1:26:45.295 two parts of legislation. So typically, if you've got a 1:26:45.695 --> 1:26:48.735 habitable space like a bedroom, there's a requirement that five 1:26:48.855 --> 1:26:52.575 percent you calculate five percent of the floor space has 1:26:52.695 --> 1:26:57.415 to be an opening window. Right, So you take that space, 1:26:57.535 --> 1:27:00.895 you create a window. For argument's sake, that's a meter biometer, 1:27:01.375 --> 1:27:05.455 the assumption being that you can open it, yes, and 1:27:05.655 --> 1:27:09.655 have a met biometer of ventilation coming into that space, 1:27:10.215 --> 1:27:12.895 until you realize that actually you can fall further than 1:27:12.975 --> 1:27:15.855 a meter or it's a certain distance off the ground, 1:27:16.295 --> 1:27:18.335 and then you have to put a restricted stay on it, 1:27:18.495 --> 1:27:20.895 which means it can only open a maximum of one 1:27:20.975 --> 1:27:26.495 hundred millimeters. So how these two parts of legislation are 1:27:26.535 --> 1:27:27.615 fighting each other, aren't they? 1:27:28.575 --> 1:27:29.135 Yeah, they are. 1:27:29.575 --> 1:27:32.095 You've got you've got two parts of code there, you've 1:27:32.175 --> 1:27:36.535 got that, you've almost got three. The openable element and 1:27:36.655 --> 1:27:40.295 the sizing of your window is influenced by the ventilation 1:27:40.495 --> 1:27:43.495 and the daylighting code. So the daylighting code says you 1:27:43.575 --> 1:27:45.575 need this much light and a habitable space. 1:27:45.775 --> 1:27:45.895 Yes. 1:27:45.975 --> 1:27:49.175 The ventilation code says you need to open the windows, 1:27:49.535 --> 1:27:52.535 So you need to have a net openable area. That's 1:27:52.615 --> 1:27:55.695 the phrase. So it's the overall dimension, as you explained, 1:27:55.855 --> 1:27:58.575 one meter by one meter net openable area of five percent. 1:27:59.015 --> 1:28:01.575 But then you think about the types of windows we're using. 1:28:02.015 --> 1:28:04.655 We've got these awning windows that just open up at 1:28:04.695 --> 1:28:08.655 the bottom and so that themselves creates blockage of air 1:28:08.735 --> 1:28:12.335 coming in. You think of winds hitting that face of 1:28:12.375 --> 1:28:14.735 the building, the awning windows, one that you know swings 1:28:14.775 --> 1:28:18.935 out from the bottom and so that opens up the 1:28:18.975 --> 1:28:21.095 winds hitting that. And then as you said, you put 1:28:21.095 --> 1:28:23.495 those security stays on, and that's over in safety from 1:28:23.535 --> 1:28:27.935 fall length. It's technically in code part IF four, and 1:28:28.655 --> 1:28:32.375 that is looking at looking after our children. Really basically 1:28:32.455 --> 1:28:34.655 they want to make sure no kids can climb on 1:28:34.735 --> 1:28:38.935 anything inside, climb up to a window and essentially fall out. 1:28:39.055 --> 1:28:42.215 So that's where that one hundred milimeter comes from. And 1:28:44.015 --> 1:28:47.055 as you think about a townhouse and about our windows, 1:28:47.135 --> 1:28:50.895 obviously sliding glass doors on the loft floor, fine, anything 1:28:50.975 --> 1:28:54.695 on the upper story two point five meters up already, right, 1:28:55.255 --> 1:28:57.895 So that's all everything in your top story pretty much 1:28:57.935 --> 1:29:02.055 has to have a stay. There's an ability to climb 1:29:02.175 --> 1:29:06.895 up to that window inside anywhere that internal law area 1:29:07.255 --> 1:29:11.895 or if you have fair toilet below window right, then 1:29:11.975 --> 1:29:14.415 you also have to be with it in over seven 1:29:14.495 --> 1:29:20.535 hundred miles above that climbing element inside. Yes, So basically, 1:29:20.655 --> 1:29:23.095 what we've done, and it's an adjustment that the window 1:29:23.295 --> 1:29:26.455 manufacturers have done really sensibly, is most of the windows 1:29:26.535 --> 1:29:30.975 now come with security stays right, and the other layer 1:29:31.015 --> 1:29:33.655 of that is security itself on the left ground floor. 1:29:33.775 --> 1:29:37.055 We don't like leaving windows unlocked or unlatched, so we've 1:29:37.095 --> 1:29:40.495 got security staves downstairs too. So you've now got these 1:29:40.495 --> 1:29:44.775 windows that meant to be opening the full area theoretically 1:29:44.975 --> 1:29:49.055 by what we're calculating. Then we're gone, okay, the warning 1:29:49.095 --> 1:29:51.135 windows are opening left, and then we've restricted them down 1:29:51.175 --> 1:29:56.015 to one hundred miles. It's probably coming down to ten 1:29:56.495 --> 1:29:59.055 percent of the total area that you could have had opened. 1:30:00.175 --> 1:30:01.415 You just can't find its. 1:30:01.295 --> 1:30:08.855 Way in right right. The other yeah, I was gonna say, the. 1:30:08.895 --> 1:30:11.535 Other challenge is that we're also limiting the number of 1:30:11.615 --> 1:30:15.775 faces those windows are on, so townhouses and apartments in 1:30:15.855 --> 1:30:20.655 particular only have those windows on one face. And I've 1:30:20.735 --> 1:30:24.295 got this phrase that I've been using recently that I 1:30:24.415 --> 1:30:26.615 think is quite apt, and that's the air is lazy 1:30:26.695 --> 1:30:29.735 and shy, So as soon as air ends a space, 1:30:29.815 --> 1:30:32.335 it wants to find the quickest, easiest way back out 1:30:32.375 --> 1:30:35.415 of the house. And so if it does manage to 1:30:35.455 --> 1:30:39.175 get into the house, it wants to turn around and 1:30:39.295 --> 1:30:42.975 head straight back out. Now it needs a pathway through 1:30:43.015 --> 1:30:44.455 the house to get out. As you think about a 1:30:44.535 --> 1:30:47.135 townhouse with windows on the front and the back. Yeah, 1:30:47.255 --> 1:30:50.095 and you've shut your internal doors. We're asking air to 1:30:50.215 --> 1:30:52.455 come in, do a little dance in the room, and 1:30:52.535 --> 1:30:54.975 turn around and go back out the crowded entrance. 1:30:54.735 --> 1:30:55.455 That it just came in. 1:30:56.935 --> 1:30:58.775 Yea, yeah, yeah, that's a great paturechally. 1:31:00.135 --> 1:31:02.695 So we need that pathway for it to come in 1:31:02.775 --> 1:31:04.815 one side where the wind's setting it on that side. 1:31:04.815 --> 1:31:07.335 It comes in that side, that realizes a whole lot 1:31:07.375 --> 1:31:09.095 of people in behind it, and it wants to get out, 1:31:09.415 --> 1:31:11.135 and it wants to rush through to the other side 1:31:11.135 --> 1:31:13.495 of the building. So we actually need windows open on 1:31:13.655 --> 1:31:17.015 both sides of our houses for any chance of their 1:31:17.095 --> 1:31:18.175 air to pass through. 1:31:19.455 --> 1:31:23.295 In terms of design, I think I think it's reasonable 1:31:23.375 --> 1:31:27.095 to be critical of some designers who pay no attention 1:31:27.375 --> 1:31:32.375 to shading and sunlight angles and those sorts of things, 1:31:32.455 --> 1:31:37.135 and effectively buy their design create a situation where the 1:31:37.215 --> 1:31:39.735 temperature is going to be intolerable in that room so 1:31:39.935 --> 1:31:44.935 big northwest facing glazing with no overhang, so in the 1:31:44.975 --> 1:31:48.455 middle of summer, it's going to cook in there. And 1:31:48.735 --> 1:31:52.295 I think people need to start thinking critically about you know, 1:31:52.535 --> 1:31:54.215 if I'm going to buy this building, how is it 1:31:54.295 --> 1:31:57.055 going to perform in terms of shading and so on? 1:31:57.575 --> 1:32:00.415 But is there also part of it where as the 1:32:00.535 --> 1:32:03.455 occupants of the building, we don't know how to operate 1:32:03.575 --> 1:32:06.375 the building properly. So your example, for example, of a 1:32:06.455 --> 1:32:08.975 window open in a bedroom, but you close the door right, 1:32:09.495 --> 1:32:12.815 so there is no opportunity for ventilation, for cross ventilation 1:32:13.015 --> 1:32:16.135 in that building, even if it was designed to do that. 1:32:16.535 --> 1:32:20.255 We as the inhabitants, the operators of the machine, aren't 1:32:21.015 --> 1:32:21.895 aren't doing it properly. 1:32:22.935 --> 1:32:26.535 No, no, And actually operating a building is becoming more 1:32:26.615 --> 1:32:30.175 and more complex, and ventilation is probably one of those 1:32:30.215 --> 1:32:34.975 ones where we are most challenged. So windows are one thing, 1:32:35.095 --> 1:32:37.175 and that's all our code requires us to put in 1:32:37.375 --> 1:32:40.415 for fresh airs. We've got a few extra elements where 1:32:40.535 --> 1:32:42.535 if you can't open a window then it triggers a 1:32:42.575 --> 1:32:46.535 whole bunch of other rules. But if you have got 1:32:46.575 --> 1:32:49.015 openable windows the times you need to be opening them 1:32:49.775 --> 1:32:53.095 in the morning. It's overheating anyway, in the morning, when 1:32:53.095 --> 1:32:55.575 it's still nice and cool outside, give your house a 1:32:55.655 --> 1:32:59.495 pre burst. Open as many windows up throughout the house 1:32:59.535 --> 1:33:02.815 as you can. I'd even in some instances run you 1:33:03.135 --> 1:33:05.615 extractor fan. And what I'm doing there when I run 1:33:05.695 --> 1:33:08.735 my extractor fan, because I'm actually creating a pressured difference, 1:33:09.015 --> 1:33:12.615 so I'm creating a pull on the house. We now 1:33:12.775 --> 1:33:15.095 actively put in fans to help with that, and I'll 1:33:15.095 --> 1:33:19.055 talk to that in a moment. So you open all 1:33:19.095 --> 1:33:21.015 the windows up, and then as it gets hotter and 1:33:21.095 --> 1:33:24.775 hotter outside, you want to shut your windows. So as 1:33:24.815 --> 1:33:26.535 you get to the warmer part of the day and 1:33:26.935 --> 1:33:30.175 the temperature outside becomes higher than your house, you want 1:33:30.215 --> 1:33:32.175 to shut your windows because this is when your insulation 1:33:32.295 --> 1:33:34.415 is actually going to be helping you. So you shut 1:33:34.455 --> 1:33:37.095 your windows. You possibly even shut your curtains on the 1:33:37.215 --> 1:33:40.655 windows that are facing the sun. And if you've got 1:33:40.735 --> 1:33:44.735 external loovers that you can rotate, if the designer has 1:33:44.775 --> 1:33:47.295 put them in for you, you can block out their 1:33:47.335 --> 1:33:49.255 outside sun. So it's better to block the sun before 1:33:49.295 --> 1:33:52.015 it gets in through what we call your thermal enveloping, 1:33:52.255 --> 1:33:56.415 any lining that's scentulated, so anything you can rotate block 1:33:56.975 --> 1:34:00.455 do that then. And then as you get later in 1:34:00.535 --> 1:34:03.935 the day and that temperature outside falls again. Now I'm 1:34:03.975 --> 1:34:05.935 not worried about the sun. You keep blocking that as 1:34:05.975 --> 1:34:08.215 long as you can if you're worried about overheating. But 1:34:08.495 --> 1:34:10.855 there's a tempature outside falls, that's when you go back 1:34:10.895 --> 1:34:15.215 and you open all your things back up, maybe six 1:34:15.335 --> 1:34:20.135 pm five six pm in Auckland some parts to the south. 1:34:20.255 --> 1:34:23.615 I know that, say Dunedin stays bright and warm quite 1:34:23.615 --> 1:34:26.095 a lot later over the summer, longer days over summer, 1:34:26.575 --> 1:34:30.055 shorter days over winter, so they might leave it a 1:34:30.095 --> 1:34:31.815 little bit later in the day. But you're looking for 1:34:31.935 --> 1:34:35.415 when outside is now more comfortable than inside. If you've 1:34:35.455 --> 1:34:37.975 got shading right, you shouldn't actually need to worry. But 1:34:38.095 --> 1:34:41.215 if you haven't, that's when you open your windows back 1:34:41.295 --> 1:34:43.255 up again. And it would be running around making sure 1:34:43.255 --> 1:34:45.655 you've got it on opposite sides of the home to 1:34:45.775 --> 1:34:49.015 get that cross flow. And then then there is this 1:34:49.135 --> 1:34:53.415 pressure difference we can actually implement inside our home. Basically, 1:34:53.855 --> 1:34:55.495 it's a little bit like gravity. 1:34:55.975 --> 1:34:56.135 You know. 1:34:56.215 --> 1:34:58.975 It's that lazy ear. It's wants to roll downhill. So 1:34:59.095 --> 1:35:02.775 when if you've got a low pressure space, negative pressure 1:35:03.015 --> 1:35:05.775 basically like a vacuum cleaner, right, you create a low 1:35:05.815 --> 1:35:09.775 pressure using a vacuum sucks out of the space. So 1:35:09.775 --> 1:35:11.935 whever you've got a low pressure space, he is going 1:35:12.015 --> 1:35:16.055 to roll down hell towards that space. So we get 1:35:16.135 --> 1:35:18.815 high pressure spaces where wind hits one side of the building, 1:35:18.895 --> 1:35:21.615 it's pushing on the building, and we get low pressure 1:35:21.655 --> 1:35:24.335 zones on the opposite. Or if we have a bathroom 1:35:24.375 --> 1:35:26.975 fan as an example that's running and pulling air out 1:35:27.015 --> 1:35:30.495 of that bathroom, that can actually create that pressure difference, 1:35:30.535 --> 1:35:32.575 that low pressure zone to pull air through to it. 1:35:33.055 --> 1:35:35.575 And so we've got a lot of homes now you're 1:35:35.575 --> 1:35:38.775 starting to see something called continuous extract fans go in 1:35:39.575 --> 1:35:42.095 and those are really good because they create a continuous 1:35:42.215 --> 1:35:44.975 pressure difference to help pull the air through your house 1:35:45.455 --> 1:35:47.935 and in a direction we want it to, because we 1:35:48.015 --> 1:35:51.655 want to take anything out of our dirty spaces, our bathroom, 1:35:51.935 --> 1:35:54.575 our laundry, our kitchen, that's where we create most of 1:35:54.655 --> 1:35:57.895 our MUCKs. And then we want air to come back 1:35:57.935 --> 1:35:59.935 into our bedroom. So you've got a window open in 1:35:59.975 --> 1:36:03.295 the bedroom and a fan pulling air out of the room. 1:36:04.495 --> 1:36:07.975 That's where we create this wonderful goes in. Let's go 1:36:08.055 --> 1:36:09.535 over and behind it. It wants to get out of 1:36:09.615 --> 1:36:12.055 this space as fast as possible. It's lazy and shy, 1:36:12.495 --> 1:36:14.095 and it's saying, hey, come out here. This is the 1:36:14.175 --> 1:36:16.935 exit sign. The continuous extract fan is pulling her out 1:36:16.935 --> 1:36:17.535 of the bathroom. 1:36:17.735 --> 1:36:22.095 And those continuous extract fans, you know, like if I 1:36:22.215 --> 1:36:24.175 go into my bathroom and I turn the fan on, 1:36:24.335 --> 1:36:26.055 I can hear it right and it's, you know, it's 1:36:26.135 --> 1:36:29.255 it's doing its job. It's sucking all of that moisty 1:36:29.255 --> 1:36:31.175 are out of the bathroom because I've had a shower. 1:36:32.695 --> 1:36:35.055 But it's, you know, to be fair, it's it's a 1:36:35.055 --> 1:36:37.815 little bit noisy. I can hear it running and that. 1:36:37.895 --> 1:36:38.295 Sort of thing. 1:36:38.575 --> 1:36:40.695 So it's working, but it's not the sort of thing 1:36:40.735 --> 1:36:43.215 that i'd want on all of the time. I think 1:36:43.295 --> 1:36:46.895 what you're talking about, the continuous extract ones, they're running 1:36:46.895 --> 1:36:49.775 at a lower rate and they're much quieter and so 1:36:49.895 --> 1:36:53.535 that they're not intrusive. Is that how I how I 1:36:53.655 --> 1:36:56.175 see far far less and true. 1:36:56.015 --> 1:36:59.895 To them and well designed ones you won't you won't 1:36:59.975 --> 1:37:03.215 notice at all when they're running in their continuous mode. Yes, 1:37:03.335 --> 1:37:05.135 so you're right, they are at a loss. I mean 1:37:05.215 --> 1:37:08.575 that's actually something hod lets us do. Right, So we've 1:37:08.655 --> 1:37:11.735 got and the numbers, and the numbers do matter to me, 1:37:11.895 --> 1:37:14.575 but probably matter a little bit less for our audience. 1:37:15.255 --> 1:37:17.415 It's twenty five liters a second with an intimate, and 1:37:17.575 --> 1:37:19.775 intimated is one where you can choose when, and that's 1:37:19.815 --> 1:37:22.975 something that what we wish all of our occupants remember 1:37:23.015 --> 1:37:25.455 to turn their fans on for long enough, including when 1:37:25.455 --> 1:37:28.695 we shower. We we just we're human. Maybe we're leaving 1:37:28.735 --> 1:37:31.335 the house straight after our shower. Maybe we're about to 1:37:31.375 --> 1:37:33.415 go to bed and as a noisy fan, so we 1:37:33.535 --> 1:37:35.255 turn the fan off, or we don't turn it on 1:37:35.415 --> 1:37:38.535 at all because baby sleeping in the other room, or 1:37:39.015 --> 1:37:42.615 some got night shift, so we leave it off, and 1:37:42.695 --> 1:37:44.695 then we create that moisture in that space. And if 1:37:44.735 --> 1:37:47.575 we haven't got a negative pressure or removing air from 1:37:47.655 --> 1:37:50.695 that space, then that moisture can leak out into our house. 1:37:51.135 --> 1:37:54.175 So we've now got these continuous fans, and so that's there. 1:37:54.215 --> 1:37:57.375 Intimate one twenty five liters a second. The continuous one 1:37:57.735 --> 1:38:01.575 are ten liters a second, so well under half of 1:38:01.735 --> 1:38:04.735 what you have was the twenty five, the intimateate one, 1:38:04.775 --> 1:38:06.655 and that means you're actually able to run a quieter, 1:38:06.855 --> 1:38:10.535 smaller fan for those bathrooms and so that then runs 1:38:10.655 --> 1:38:14.055 all the time. There's little negative pressure. And as I said, 1:38:14.055 --> 1:38:16.295 the well designed ones, it doesn't always happen that way. 1:38:16.335 --> 1:38:20.775 You do get unfortunately for design, even in ventilation. But 1:38:21.055 --> 1:38:23.455 the well designed ones, you should barely hear is not 1:38:23.735 --> 1:38:25.615 not here at all, and definitely when you're not in 1:38:25.695 --> 1:38:30.175 that room, it shouldn't bleed out from that space. So 1:38:30.895 --> 1:38:34.895 it runs continuously and it actually takes away that that 1:38:35.135 --> 1:38:37.095 challenge where we don't know how to operate our houses 1:38:37.095 --> 1:38:40.735 as well. So it will keep moving air and we 1:38:40.855 --> 1:38:43.495 can we can almost forget and it's great for rentals 1:38:43.535 --> 1:38:44.855 and any builds. 1:38:45.215 --> 1:38:49.015 Yeah, look, it's I find it a fascinating space. And 1:38:49.095 --> 1:38:51.615 I think it's you know your comment about the shutters 1:38:51.655 --> 1:38:54.815 and the shading, and I'm thinking about walking through. In fact, 1:38:54.855 --> 1:38:56.855 one of our earlier callers was talking about heading off 1:38:56.895 --> 1:39:00.695 to France shortly and you go somewhere like that where 1:39:00.935 --> 1:39:04.575 they do have you know, warm, hot, long dry summers, 1:39:05.055 --> 1:39:06.855 and you can see the shutters on the outside of 1:39:06.855 --> 1:39:08.895 the building and you go well, how isn't that such 1:39:08.935 --> 1:39:12.575 a sensible solution to a really obvious problem That you've 1:39:12.575 --> 1:39:15.135 got a shutter that during the day you could leave 1:39:15.215 --> 1:39:18.735 the window open for ventilation but close the old wooden shutter, 1:39:19.815 --> 1:39:23.895 which you know will still allow aaron but keeps the 1:39:23.935 --> 1:39:27.735 sun out. It's it's fantastically well start. 1:39:27.535 --> 1:39:27.975 To see that. 1:39:28.975 --> 1:39:31.895 Yeah, well, I hope so, I hope so, because we 1:39:31.975 --> 1:39:34.935 do need to adjust our windows for that because the shutter, 1:39:35.695 --> 1:39:38.735 but I hope we will with yes, it doesn't work 1:39:38.775 --> 1:39:42.095 so well. Yeah, But the other one is, yeah, even 1:39:42.815 --> 1:39:46.375 you go to Australia, right and you see these little 1:39:46.735 --> 1:39:49.215 details coming down from the eaves of the building where 1:39:49.215 --> 1:39:53.775 they've got like they're like vertical lines or like decoration, 1:39:54.135 --> 1:39:57.935 and they actually create some shading lower down. And that's 1:39:58.055 --> 1:40:00.975 wonderful because in some of the sun sits higher than 1:40:01.015 --> 1:40:05.735 in winter, so it stops that angle pitting your windows 1:40:05.775 --> 1:40:08.295 through the middle of the day. When the sun's lower 1:40:08.375 --> 1:40:11.855 in winter, it actually bypasses those shades, which means you 1:40:11.935 --> 1:40:14.775 get all the sun hitting your window. The other really 1:40:14.855 --> 1:40:17.535 really cool thing you see over in Europe and in 1:40:19.255 --> 1:40:21.375 parts of Australia and New Zealand is you can actually 1:40:21.455 --> 1:40:24.455 use natural planting to help the deciduous plants. 1:40:24.535 --> 1:40:27.375 Okay, because summer. 1:40:27.335 --> 1:40:31.015 Spring all the leaves come out, they grow, they become bushy, 1:40:31.135 --> 1:40:34.615 and that blocks the sun. I think a wonderful grape 1:40:34.695 --> 1:40:36.655 vine on a purglar yeah, or a. 1:40:36.735 --> 1:40:38.255 Nice bogan villi or something like that. 1:40:38.455 --> 1:40:42.295 Yeah, you sat under them, and they're shady, and they've 1:40:42.295 --> 1:40:44.655 blot the you know, they rattle of them in the breeze. 1:40:44.695 --> 1:40:46.975 It's just that wonderful environment of the summer. You know, 1:40:47.055 --> 1:40:49.735 the winter the leaves will fall off and they have 1:40:49.855 --> 1:40:52.695 this still have their elegance, but the sun's coming through. 1:40:53.535 --> 1:40:56.855 So you can do a lot with the natural environment 1:40:56.975 --> 1:40:59.615 as well, but obviously not in all our spaces. 1:41:00.575 --> 1:41:03.695 I think what's helpful, hopefully with the discussions that's sort 1:41:03.695 --> 1:41:05.615 of in the public sphere at the moment, and I 1:41:05.695 --> 1:41:07.975 know you've been kind of driving some of that as well, 1:41:08.095 --> 1:41:11.935 is around I suppose a more nuanced understanding of how 1:41:12.015 --> 1:41:14.535 our buildings actually perform and what we need to do 1:41:14.655 --> 1:41:17.455 to operate them. I think the idea of sort of 1:41:17.575 --> 1:41:20.855 operator era or an operator guide for our houses is 1:41:20.935 --> 1:41:25.255 something that we've kind of almost forgotten about. So thank 1:41:25.295 --> 1:41:28.255 you very much for being part of that discussion, and 1:41:28.895 --> 1:41:32.255 for I love that insight around areas lazy and shy 1:41:33.495 --> 1:41:35.975 is a great image to hold in mind when you 1:41:36.095 --> 1:41:39.055 think about how why is my room getting so hot? 1:41:39.095 --> 1:41:43.055 And what can I do to mitigate that or control 1:41:43.175 --> 1:41:45.975 that in some way? Storm thank you very much for 1:41:46.055 --> 1:41:48.535 joining us this morning. Enjoy you long weekend. Sorry to 1:41:48.655 --> 1:41:51.895 interrupt it right smack bang in the middle, and we'll 1:41:51.935 --> 1:41:53.295 talk again soon, undoubtedly. 1:41:54.215 --> 1:41:54.895 Thank all of this. 1:41:55.335 --> 1:41:55.655 Take care. 1:41:56.295 --> 1:42:00.135 Storm Half from actually works at Simmis who make fans, 1:42:00.215 --> 1:42:03.335 but does a lot of research and a lot of writing. 1:42:03.935 --> 1:42:05.695 If you want to know about ventilation or you want 1:42:05.695 --> 1:42:08.855 to read some art, just search for Storm Half. It's 1:42:09.135 --> 1:42:15.375 haarp Ham, number of articles on LinkedIn and various sort 1:42:15.375 --> 1:42:18.135 of building blogs around the place, and it's good information. 1:42:18.615 --> 1:42:22.335 Twenty six minutes after eight crikey, we've raced along. It's 1:42:22.415 --> 1:42:26.855 almost time for rud. If you've got a question for Redd, 1:42:26.975 --> 1:42:29.175 you can call us now. Eight hundred and eighty ten 1:42:29.295 --> 1:42:30.135 eighty back in a mote. 1:42:30.255 --> 1:42:33.135 Whether you're paidy with ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering 1:42:33.175 --> 1:42:35.255 how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter 1:42:35.335 --> 1:42:39.055 Wolf capcoll On eight hundred eighty ten eighty the resident 1:42:39.095 --> 1:42:42.775 builder on news Talk sed B news Talk said. 1:42:42.615 --> 1:42:45.695 B extra just basically lose with half the people, right. 1:42:46.295 --> 1:42:47.895 But I do not have the same opinion when it 1:42:47.935 --> 1:42:49.895 comes to the Pope. I think it is the job 1:42:49.975 --> 1:42:52.415 of the Pope and every other Christian leader out there 1:42:52.455 --> 1:42:55.295 to actually advocate on behalf of people, like migrants, the 1:42:55.415 --> 1:42:58.135 poorest and the most downtrodden. And I might not agree 1:42:58.535 --> 1:43:00.895 with everything the Pope says or his general stance on this, 1:43:00.975 --> 1:43:02.855 but I think it is absolutely his job to share 1:43:02.855 --> 1:43:05.455 his opinion on the suffering of others as he perceives it. 1:43:05.575 --> 1:43:08.015 In fact, I'm happy to see him do it because 1:43:08.055 --> 1:43:11.655 for too long, Christian leaders, and especially the Catholic Church, 1:43:11.975 --> 1:43:14.695 have got way too distracted by opulence and personal wealth, 1:43:14.975 --> 1:43:17.775 when actually the true roots of the religion are a 1:43:17.895 --> 1:43:21.295 complete opposite. It's about living with and looking after the 1:43:21.335 --> 1:43:24.015 people who need you most. Now, I bet this is 1:43:24.055 --> 1:43:26.815 going to burst Donald Trump's balloon owner because, as you 1:43:26.855 --> 1:43:29.055 can imagine, he was pretty stoked this morning to have 1:43:29.135 --> 1:43:32.255 America's first pope so early in his term, and obviously 1:43:32.295 --> 1:43:34.855 a reflection on him. I don't think it's going to 1:43:34.895 --> 1:43:36.895 be as much fun when America's first Pope is not 1:43:36.935 --> 1:43:37.695 such a huge fan. 1:43:37.655 --> 1:43:38.615 Of America's president. 1:43:38.895 --> 1:43:43.655 That was a news Talk said be extra squeaky door 1:43:44.135 --> 1:43:47.495 or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, 1:43:47.615 --> 1:43:52.295 the Resident builder on news Talk Sedb. For more from 1:43:52.335 --> 1:43:55.415 the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen live to news 1:43:55.495 --> 1:43:58.255 Talk said B on Sunday Mornings from Sex, or follow 1:43:58.335 --> 1:43:59.895 the podcast on iHeartRadio.