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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talk said baby squeaky door or squeaky floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, The Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: on news Talk said, by.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzoro, even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog.

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Speaker 3: Is too old to borrow, And when you're sitting at

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Speaker 3: the table trying not.

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Speaker 4: To stop.

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Speaker 5: Scissor hole, even when we again, even when you're there, house.

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Speaker 1: Sizzle hole, even when there's go.

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Speaker 6: Even when you go around from the mornes.

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Speaker 7: You love your most.

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Speaker 2: Scream broken pans appeeing in fund.

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Speaker 3: Locals Westrong when they're gone leaving never has even when

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Speaker 3: will then, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and a very very good morning and welcome along

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Speaker 8: to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete

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Speaker 8: wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, And this is hey just

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Speaker 8: by the way, the first of June. Already know, I

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Speaker 8: know the year is racing along. I trust that you've

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Speaker 8: had an opportunity, perhaps over the long weekend, not that

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Speaker 8: the long weekend is over Tomorrow is a public holiday

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Speaker 8: of course, to oh maybe even do what I did yesterday,

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Speaker 8: which was actually get stuck into the workshop, had a

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Speaker 8: reasonably early hour of the morning's around than sort of

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Speaker 8: lolling around for a bit. I thought, right, I've got

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Speaker 8: things to do. I want to get them done. I'm

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Speaker 8: into the workshop. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: after having sort of loaded the trailer and taken a

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Speaker 8: whole lot of stuff around to the resource recovery center

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Speaker 8: and put that in the appropriate piles hard fill in

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Speaker 8: one part, metal in another part, timber and another part,

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Speaker 8: and a general bag of rubbish that unfortunately will go

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Speaker 8: to landfill, came home, looked around the workshop and thought, actually,

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Speaker 8: it feels quite good. A little bit more space, a

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Speaker 8: little bit more ordered, and hopefully a little bit more productive.

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Speaker 8: So you can't underestimate I think the power of having

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Speaker 8: just a little bit of order. And I think if

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Speaker 8: you look at people working in general, and if you

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Speaker 8: look at trades people working, there are those for whom

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Speaker 8: it feels like, you know, it looks like everything is

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Speaker 8: to the other. There's gear everywhere, there's tools. Just I

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Speaker 8: went to a job Oh do you I hope the

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Speaker 8: people aren't listening. I went to a job the other day,

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Speaker 8: and at the end of the day, the builders obviously

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Speaker 8: when it's time to go, like literally unclip the apron,

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Speaker 8: It was in the middle of the floor, and I'm

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Speaker 8: like I would I would probably just put it to

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Speaker 8: one side, right, you know, I have a bit of

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Speaker 8: a sweep up at the end of the day, have

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Speaker 8: morning when you arrive it feels like you're ready to work,

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Speaker 8: is my feeling. And I think it's the same round

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Speaker 8: the house. Look, I can say these things, but nine

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Speaker 8: times out of ten my shed looks like a disaster

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Speaker 8: project on that you would like to talk about, you

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Speaker 8: talk all things building, construction, legislation, rules, regulations right through

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Speaker 8: to have a bit of a catch up with Storm Harpham,

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Speaker 8: who has been on the show before. I first encountered

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Speaker 8: Storm at a I think it was New Zealand's suit

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Speaker 8: in my opinion, a ventilation expert. And so it's been

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Speaker 8: little bit over the last little while, including a comment

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Speaker 8: sort of off the cuff comment from Chris Penk, the

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Speaker 8: Minister for Building and Construction, at a conference that I

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Speaker 8: was at a couple of weeks ago, where he was saying, look,

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Speaker 8: you know we've we've had the leaky building crisis. Now

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Speaker 8: we're starting to have a crisis where houses are overheating

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Speaker 8: And there's been lots of stories over the summer. We've

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Speaker 8: right that are thirty five degrees in the bedroom at

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Speaker 8: six o'clock in the evening and what's causing that? What

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Speaker 8: say on anything around building construction, new products, new ideas,

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Speaker 8: working with tradespeople and another fascinating story that popped up

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Speaker 8: during the course of the week was an article.

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Speaker 9: It was a piece.

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Speaker 8: Of research from Brands, the Building Research Association of New Zealand,

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Speaker 8: and they published a list of how which trades have

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Speaker 8: to come back to repair work and in an order. Right, so,

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Speaker 8: who was the what trade is the most called back?

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Speaker 8: And it didn't quite in the article that I read

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Speaker 8: plumbers who didn't get called back that often, but when

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Speaker 8: they did it was for product failure, be an item

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Speaker 8: that they installed has failed, rather than their workmanship has failed.

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Speaker 9: Either way.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a lot in that. I was quite

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Speaker 8: surprised at how many callbacks there are. Someone has emailed

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Speaker 8: me the article as well. I saw the article online.

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Speaker 8: I'll try and put it up on socials a little

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Speaker 8: bit later on. The really good thing is during the

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Speaker 8: course of the week, I'm actually going to do an

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Speaker 8: interview with the researcher who compiled that, and we will

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Speaker 8: have that interview next Sunday on the show. Right enough

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Speaker 8: for me, it's your paint was number one. You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 8: as are my producer. He's absolutely right, painter's call back

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Speaker 8: kind of not surprising when you think about it, because

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Speaker 8: you know, inevitably, and I think even in the interviews

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Speaker 8: know the painter will get called back.

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Speaker 9: Let's say, if.

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Speaker 8: I don't know when the kitchen's being installed, the guy

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Speaker 8: scrapes the wall, right, So technically that's a callback. At

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Speaker 8: the end of the job, I tell you the one

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Speaker 8: and oh, I'm going to cop in the neck from rufers.

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Speaker 8: Rufer's got called back a lot, seemingly, way more than

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Speaker 8: I would have expected. Seriously, I can't think of the

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Speaker 8: last job that I have done and I'm going back

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Speaker 8: to over the last twenty twenty five years where I've

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Speaker 8: had to call back the rufer for something. Now, maybe

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Speaker 8: you've got some stories on that. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 8: ten eighty is the number to call. You can text

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Speaker 8: as well, that's nine two nine to two. Thank you

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Speaker 8: to Ian Owen Rother who emailed me that article as

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Speaker 8: well and just to remind me to look at it.

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Speaker 8: So it's in the Herald Building Sector Insights which trades

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Speaker 8: have to come back and fix things the most. If

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Speaker 8: you search for that, you'll find it there so oh

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Speaker 8: and thanks very much for your email.

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Speaker 9: I might even reach out.

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Speaker 8: And give you a chat and give you a call

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Speaker 8: to chat about that. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 8: is the number to call if you've got a project on,

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Speaker 8: if you're taking advantage of the fact that tomorrow perhaps

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Speaker 8: you get to stay at home and do some work

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Speaker 8: around the house.

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Speaker 9: What are you going to do?

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Speaker 8: What would you like to get done? And do you

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Speaker 8: need some help with any of it? Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 8: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: We're helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

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Speaker 1: resident builder with Vieta WOLFCAF call, Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty, youth talk deadv.

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Speaker 8: We're taking your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 8: is that number to call. Todd sens Pete says the

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Speaker 8: texter from Ray, I was an island bay yesterday, ge

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Speaker 8: with some of those abodes are precariously perched on the hillside.

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Speaker 8: Those builders are artisans like UA. Well, Ray, thank you

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Speaker 8: very much for your for your message.

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Speaker 9: Ray, very kind.

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Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 8: And from Ray on the text to Ray on the phone.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Ray, Good morning, I just wanted to get

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Speaker 4: your advice. Sure, we live in a house where we

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Speaker 4: have bottled guests two forty five kg cylinders, and we

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Speaker 4: also have a pump for water for the for the house.

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Speaker 4: Order supplied from tanks and the pump is around the

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Speaker 4: corner from the gas bottles. It's so the gas bottles

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Speaker 4: to the corner of the house are probably about eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and in the distance from the other corner to

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Speaker 4: the pump is probably about three or four hundred. On Friday,

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Speaker 4: we had the gas supply deliver two new bottles. And

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Speaker 4: we've been in the house for three years, but the

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Speaker 4: house is about twelve years old. In the letter box

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Speaker 4: we received a notice that said that they're checking on

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Speaker 4: compliance of gas bottles and that our gas bottles were

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Speaker 4: too close to the point of ignition, which is the pump.

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Speaker 4: I guess I found that very difficult to understand. One

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Speaker 4: that we've been the house is twelve years old, got

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Speaker 4: a certificate of compl clients and in order to I think,

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Speaker 4: move the pump, you have to move the piping and

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Speaker 4: the electricity and it's going to be a very expensive job.

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Speaker 4: I wonder that maybe it's not easy to move the

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Speaker 4: what other solutions are, whether I can put a flame

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Speaker 4: proof cabinet over the pump. But it did drag the

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Speaker 4: question to me that when the house was built in

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Speaker 4: haddus to the compliance, would the builders still be libel

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Speaker 4: or it was built by a rapid or building company.

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Speaker 4: I'm just not quite sure.

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Speaker 9: Where to go to here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, obviously, I mean the first thing is that

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Speaker 8: the you know, the regulations are there for a reason, right,

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Speaker 8: and they are to prevent in this instance, the possibility

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Speaker 8: gas explosion, which is you know, the potential for damage

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Speaker 8: is huge, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they building it's against as a garage, you know, it's.

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Speaker 9: So, I guess.

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Speaker 8: So the house is how old?

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Speaker 4: Twelve years?

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Speaker 9: Twelve years? Okay, so the bottle for twelve years, and

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Speaker 9: the bottles.

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Speaker 8: Were part of the design originally, right, so they were

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Speaker 8: installed as per whatever the regulations were at the time.

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Speaker 8: Potentially the regulations have changed a little bit. I suppose

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Speaker 8: what would be helpful.

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Speaker 9: Is if.

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Speaker 4: Regulations a little bit as they were now.

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Speaker 8: Right, I guess you've got a couple of options. One

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Speaker 8: is it would have been useful for the company that

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Speaker 8: supplies the gas and gave you the notice to actually

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Speaker 8: provide you with, you know, a reference to what the

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Speaker 8: regulations are done that oh yeah, and what is there?

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Speaker 4: There is a minimum, yeah, one point five meters in

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Speaker 4: a straight line, but in our case.

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Speaker 8: It's around the corner, around the corner.

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Speaker 4: And probably a few they actually draw a radius around

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Speaker 4: the top of the bottles of one point five But

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Speaker 4: if yeah, I think the fact that they're around the

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Speaker 8: But maybe that's how it was interpreted. I wonder whether

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Speaker 8: when when they were installed and when the location. The

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Speaker 8: No, well, yeah, except again for something that is that

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Speaker 8: That would be relatively straightforward.

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Speaker 9: That's probably And if.

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Speaker 4: that is an option. But I'm not sure whether there

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's I don't know if it would be

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Speaker 8: just wonder whether you know, the driver perhaps has been

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Speaker 4: In reality me a letter, clarify what it is, and

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Speaker 8: Okay, Look, I really have to applaud them for doing

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Speaker 4: So you know, in question I have this, do I

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Speaker 10: Because unlikely, I would say, I mean you could try,

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Speaker 8: An inspector would pick up on that. Go through, see

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Speaker 8: gas fitter directly would be another option. Hm, okay, Well

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Speaker 8: would it be the gas fitter or would it be

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Speaker 11: Well, because in the end that the electrician because the

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Speaker 4: I think I want to find her.

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Speaker 8: I think getting redressed from any of those parties is

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Speaker 4: Ye all right, thank you much.

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Speaker 8: You have a good luck with all of that, and

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Speaker 8: interesting that. I mean, in some ways there's that thing

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Speaker 8: you want to comment on that story about the which

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Speaker 8: trades come back the most often. Bearing in mind we

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Speaker 8: I'll have available next weekend on the show. Oh eight

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Speaker 1: Meta twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed

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Speaker 8: You a News talksp Indeed, it is time for your calls.

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Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 8: I'll just try and deal with this text. Actually just

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Speaker 8: Rural Property and it added two large bedrooms and a hallway.

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Speaker 9: Only one external war.

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Speaker 8: Was replaced as we took away the two garage doors

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Speaker 8: Because the front was the entrance to the garage, it

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Speaker 8: The issue is there's power phone and earth spike in

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Speaker 8: Have been a complete nightmare during this project. Sorry to

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Speaker 8: hear that, David. Look at final inspection. Council have a

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Speaker 8: if they want you to do it be the path

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Speaker 8: whether or not the new bit of concrete that you've

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Speaker 8: fifty mili. So that might be it. You could try

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Speaker 8: little bit unhelpful, but it's not that easy. Someone's made

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Speaker 8: a couple of suggestions about the gas bottle situation, which Andy,

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Speaker 8: thanks for the text, but I'm not going to even

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Speaker 6: Good morning hello there.

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Speaker 12: I have a house which has been subdivided off the farm.

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Speaker 12: Farm's been sold and they have a family member moving

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Speaker 12: by jennyin and everything is in compliance, but it's never

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Speaker 12: A deckerman who has been working for me has offered

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Speaker 12: it doesn't require a building consent. Does it require what

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Speaker 13: Oh good, my question.

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Speaker 8: Okay, in many instances the deck won't require a building consent.

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Speaker 8: So typically they require a building consent if they are

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Speaker 8: it will No, it's not okay. The other thing, and

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Speaker 9: Actually, I was out for a.

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Speaker 8: Walk and at the end of the day and noticed

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Speaker 8: hundred by hundred posts, right, soundred by one hundred posts

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Speaker 8: don't comply with the building code. So what's really important

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Speaker 8: a consent, I think for you, as the client or

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Speaker 8: the owner, you would say, can can you tell me

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Speaker 8: time and I'm going to use one less post, right,

436
00:25:23,375 --> 00:25:25,815
Speaker 8: so the span of the bearer is more than what

437
00:25:25,975 --> 00:25:30,415
Speaker 8: the bearer is designed for. Now, it's relatively straightforward. Most

438
00:25:30,455 --> 00:25:33,015
Speaker 8: of these things are in three six O four, which

439
00:25:33,055 --> 00:25:36,695
Speaker 8: is the timber frame construction guide, right, So that's the

440
00:25:36,775 --> 00:25:40,975
Speaker 8: standards that we work to. You know, a reasonably competent

441
00:25:41,255 --> 00:25:43,775
Speaker 8: trades person should be able to just go to the code,

442
00:25:44,215 --> 00:25:47,575
Speaker 8: look at the span tables, make some notes and go right,

443
00:25:47,615 --> 00:25:50,335
Speaker 8: I'm going to have my posts, for example, at one

444
00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:52,935
Speaker 8: point five centers. On top of that, I'm going to

445
00:25:53,055 --> 00:25:55,815
Speaker 8: use two six to two's nailed together as my bearers.

446
00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:59,135
Speaker 8: And then because I'm only spanning one point nine meters

447
00:25:59,215 --> 00:26:01,895
Speaker 8: or something like that, i can use a one fifty

448
00:26:02,175 --> 00:26:05,655
Speaker 8: fifty joist at four hundred centers and that'll all be

449
00:26:05,735 --> 00:26:06,295
Speaker 8: there in the code.

450
00:26:06,455 --> 00:26:06,615
Speaker 9: Right.

451
00:26:06,655 --> 00:26:09,335
Speaker 8: So all I'm suggesting to you is when you're having

452
00:26:09,335 --> 00:26:11,735
Speaker 8: a discussion with the person building the deck, just get

453
00:26:11,775 --> 00:26:13,975
Speaker 8: a little bit of evidence from them that they've looked

454
00:26:13,975 --> 00:26:16,215
Speaker 8: at the building code and they're going to build to

455
00:26:16,255 --> 00:26:17,175
Speaker 8: the building code.

456
00:26:18,215 --> 00:26:18,415
Speaker 13: Right.

457
00:26:18,895 --> 00:26:19,255
Speaker 9: That's it.

458
00:26:19,295 --> 00:26:19,655
Speaker 14: Okay.

459
00:26:19,695 --> 00:26:23,535
Speaker 12: Basically, so does that need to be overseen by a

460
00:26:24,055 --> 00:26:25,575
Speaker 12: licensed building.

461
00:26:26,815 --> 00:26:29,495
Speaker 8: No, not necessarily, because it's work that doesn't require a

462
00:26:29,495 --> 00:26:33,375
Speaker 8: building consent. Right, So only restricted building work, which is

463
00:26:33,415 --> 00:26:36,935
Speaker 8: work that has a consent, needs to be done or

464
00:26:36,975 --> 00:26:39,855
Speaker 8: supervised by an LBP. The only other thing I point

465
00:26:39,895 --> 00:26:42,535
Speaker 8: out too is if the fall is greater than a meter,

466
00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:46,335
Speaker 8: it will require a hand rail, which also needs to

467
00:26:46,335 --> 00:26:49,215
Speaker 8: comply with the code. And if you've got more than

468
00:26:49,295 --> 00:26:52,975
Speaker 8: three steps, it requires a handrail on the steps leading

469
00:26:53,095 --> 00:26:53,935
Speaker 8: up to the deck.

470
00:26:55,015 --> 00:27:00,615
Speaker 12: Okay, that's great, Okay, I just yeah, because the assistant

471
00:27:00,655 --> 00:27:04,295
Speaker 12: who's going to help build the deck as a bill

472
00:27:04,535 --> 00:27:08,015
Speaker 12: well is supposedly a builder, but not a licensed building

473
00:27:09,255 --> 00:27:14,855
Speaker 12: not an LBP, yep, non LBP. And the person who's

474
00:27:15,095 --> 00:27:18,695
Speaker 12: the main person who's building the deck has got a

475
00:27:18,775 --> 00:27:21,455
Speaker 12: design from him, but I haven't seen the design. They've

476
00:27:21,535 --> 00:27:25,975
Speaker 12: ordered the timber, right, and I haven't had a quote

477
00:27:26,495 --> 00:27:30,015
Speaker 12: or a design given to me. As the owner of

478
00:27:30,055 --> 00:27:30,775
Speaker 12: the building.

479
00:27:32,015 --> 00:27:35,215
Speaker 8: Yeah, and in the end you're paying for it, right,

480
00:27:35,895 --> 00:27:38,415
Speaker 8: So I think you get to ask as many questions

481
00:27:38,495 --> 00:27:42,815
Speaker 8: as you like. And I guess this is where you know,

482
00:27:42,815 --> 00:27:46,935
Speaker 8: it's little things like depending on the soil conditions, you know,

483
00:27:46,975 --> 00:27:49,855
Speaker 8: do they need to dig down four hundred or in fact,

484
00:27:49,935 --> 00:27:52,215
Speaker 8: once you've dug down four hundred, does it still look

485
00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:54,335
Speaker 8: like a bit of top soil in there, in which

486
00:27:54,375 --> 00:27:56,615
Speaker 8: case that would be better to dig down to six

487
00:27:56,695 --> 00:27:59,255
Speaker 8: hundred and make sure that the bottom of the footing

488
00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:03,295
Speaker 8: is sitting hard on the clay. And that's where you

489
00:28:03,815 --> 00:28:09,095
Speaker 8: are reliant on, well, ultimately the integrity and the knowledge

490
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:11,895
Speaker 8: of the builder to go Actually, you know what, it

491
00:28:12,015 --> 00:28:13,695
Speaker 8: still looks a bit soft. I'm just going to dig

492
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,775
Speaker 8: an extra hundred mil or something like that, and yes

493
00:28:15,815 --> 00:28:17,575
Speaker 8: it's going to take a bit more time, and yes

494
00:28:17,575 --> 00:28:19,815
Speaker 8: it'll take a bit more concrete, but we know that

495
00:28:19,855 --> 00:28:23,295
Speaker 8: it's going to be okay. So you know that hopefully

496
00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:26,775
Speaker 8: that's where experience comes in. Thank you, nice to talk

497
00:28:26,815 --> 00:28:27,655
Speaker 8: to you all the very best.

498
00:28:27,695 --> 00:28:28,615
Speaker 9: To you think all the best.

499
00:28:28,895 --> 00:28:31,295
Speaker 8: Bob Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

500
00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:32,895
Speaker 8: number to call.

501
00:28:33,015 --> 00:28:36,935
Speaker 9: Let's talk to Nick. Good day, Nick, hid Pete.

502
00:28:38,095 --> 00:28:40,855
Speaker 13: We're looking at buying a house.

503
00:28:41,015 --> 00:28:47,895
Speaker 6: And we at the internal room is a cinema room and.

504
00:28:47,775 --> 00:28:50,055
Speaker 8: There's no windows, right, yes.

505
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:53,455
Speaker 6: Which sounds a bit crazy, but we want to make

506
00:28:53,495 --> 00:28:57,695
Speaker 6: it into a proper lounge, dining room, kitchen. Yeah. So

507
00:28:58,255 --> 00:29:02,095
Speaker 6: our thoughts. It's got two sliding doors, right, and we

508
00:29:02,135 --> 00:29:05,895
Speaker 6: want to take outmost sliding doors and open it up

509
00:29:06,375 --> 00:29:11,135
Speaker 6: and remove two walls. Yeah, do we The first thing

510
00:29:11,255 --> 00:29:18,055
Speaker 6: is resource consent, so unlikely. We obviously don't want the

511
00:29:18,135 --> 00:29:22,695
Speaker 6: roof to fall in. Yeah, and we've got two brothers

512
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:26,775
Speaker 6: that can do the very confident LVB dudes to do it.

513
00:29:28,255 --> 00:29:31,975
Speaker 4: And we've were what is the process?

514
00:29:32,655 --> 00:29:35,615
Speaker 6: We have a draft person that can draft it up

515
00:29:35,655 --> 00:29:39,335
Speaker 6: for us. Do we send that into the council to get.

516
00:29:39,335 --> 00:29:42,175
Speaker 9: Sure yeah, approval.

517
00:29:42,735 --> 00:29:46,935
Speaker 8: The main thing is is if like technically under again,

518
00:29:46,975 --> 00:29:49,175
Speaker 8: schedule one of the acts, right, which is it sets

519
00:29:49,175 --> 00:29:52,455
Speaker 8: out work that can be done without necessarily requiring a consent,

520
00:29:53,615 --> 00:29:56,695
Speaker 8: potentially if the wall was non load bearing.

521
00:29:57,935 --> 00:29:58,735
Speaker 9: We think it is.

522
00:30:00,575 --> 00:30:04,295
Speaker 8: Thinking and knowing are slightly different things, right, So you've

523
00:30:04,335 --> 00:30:07,175
Speaker 8: you've got to be you know what I mean, You've

524
00:30:07,175 --> 00:30:08,455
Speaker 8: already identified.

525
00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:11,815
Speaker 6: The fact plans we have. We've seen plans and stuff,

526
00:30:12,095 --> 00:30:15,615
Speaker 6: and it looks like they're not, and we'd tap the

527
00:30:15,655 --> 00:30:18,735
Speaker 6: walls and the builders sat the walls and with think.

528
00:30:18,575 --> 00:30:20,335
Speaker 4: They're an load bearing.

529
00:30:21,575 --> 00:30:26,575
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd take I'd take my I'd take the inspection

530
00:30:26,735 --> 00:30:30,055
Speaker 8: just slightly beyond tapping the wall to be fair, Look,

531
00:30:30,535 --> 00:30:34,215
Speaker 8: if what's what's above that wall? Is it another floor

532
00:30:34,335 --> 00:30:35,055
Speaker 8: or is it the roof?

533
00:30:36,495 --> 00:30:37,695
Speaker 9: It's the roof, it's the roof.

534
00:30:37,775 --> 00:30:40,775
Speaker 8: Okay, look, it should be relatively straightforward to figure out

535
00:30:40,815 --> 00:30:44,095
Speaker 8: whether or not that wall's load bearing. If it isn't

536
00:30:44,335 --> 00:30:48,935
Speaker 8: load bearing, and you know, i'd get a draft person,

537
00:30:49,295 --> 00:30:52,015
Speaker 8: architect engineer to to just cast an eye over it

538
00:30:52,055 --> 00:30:54,415
Speaker 8: and go, actually, you know what, it's low risk. If

539
00:30:54,455 --> 00:30:57,455
Speaker 8: you took the wall out, nothing's going to move right

540
00:30:57,575 --> 00:31:01,175
Speaker 8: then then theoretically you can do that work without requiring

541
00:31:01,175 --> 00:31:05,055
Speaker 8: a consent. However, if it is load bearing, or perhaps

542
00:31:05,095 --> 00:31:07,135
Speaker 8: if you've looked at the plans and realize that there's

543
00:31:07,135 --> 00:31:08,975
Speaker 8: some bracing elements in that wall.

544
00:31:09,255 --> 00:31:12,775
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we think that is it called pearlins or

545
00:31:12,935 --> 00:31:15,895
Speaker 6: bracing up above to hold the roof up?

546
00:31:16,535 --> 00:31:17,375
Speaker 4: Would that be right?

547
00:31:18,095 --> 00:31:21,935
Speaker 8: There might be triangles, yeah, if it's an older roof,

548
00:31:22,095 --> 00:31:23,935
Speaker 8: you might have some understanding no, the.

549
00:31:23,895 --> 00:31:29,695
Speaker 6: House is only three years old. Ah, it's a pretty.

550
00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:30,135
Speaker 4: Browd new house.

551
00:31:30,215 --> 00:31:32,455
Speaker 6: Oh okay, in fact, it might be less than that.

552
00:31:33,015 --> 00:31:35,375
Speaker 8: Oh well, I mean, look, that's an advantage in the

553
00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:40,215
Speaker 8: sense that you could go and get the plans right

554
00:31:40,295 --> 00:31:43,415
Speaker 8: and have again an engineer or an architect to a

555
00:31:43,455 --> 00:31:46,935
Speaker 8: desktop review of the plans. You'll quickly determine whether or

556
00:31:46,975 --> 00:31:49,415
Speaker 8: not there's any bracing elements in there, whether there's a

557
00:31:49,495 --> 00:31:51,935
Speaker 8: lintel that's holding something up, what the span of the

558
00:31:52,055 --> 00:31:52,695
Speaker 8: trusses are.

559
00:31:53,415 --> 00:31:56,695
Speaker 6: Think we think the lintel, there is a mental.

560
00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,615
Speaker 9: Above the sliding doors.

561
00:31:59,695 --> 00:32:06,295
Speaker 6: Yes, the sliding doors, but we're taking it below the left,

562
00:32:07,455 --> 00:32:10,495
Speaker 6: so we're just knocking out the wall below the lintil.

563
00:32:10,615 --> 00:32:15,455
Speaker 9: Right, yeah, but then hopefully.

564
00:32:15,175 --> 00:32:17,895
Speaker 8: Well no except the lintel. Let's say the are they

565
00:32:18,055 --> 00:32:22,575
Speaker 8: pocket sliders or are they sort of barn sliders? Where

566
00:32:22,575 --> 00:32:24,495
Speaker 8: do the sliding doors go from the opening?

567
00:32:25,335 --> 00:32:27,175
Speaker 4: So they go back into the wall.

568
00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:30,215
Speaker 8: Okay, So let's say you've got to eight hundred doors,

569
00:32:31,015 --> 00:32:33,455
Speaker 8: so that's one point six meters. Then chances are your

570
00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:36,735
Speaker 8: opening is actually already three point two meters, right because

571
00:32:36,775 --> 00:32:39,615
Speaker 8: of the pockets that they go into. So you want

572
00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:42,815
Speaker 8: to take more than the three point two meters out.

573
00:32:43,975 --> 00:32:46,655
Speaker 6: Not on one side, possibly on the other side.

574
00:32:46,695 --> 00:32:49,375
Speaker 8: Okay, that goes up the hallway, So if you did

575
00:32:49,415 --> 00:32:51,935
Speaker 8: want to take the other side out, then that lintel,

576
00:32:52,255 --> 00:32:54,895
Speaker 8: there's an understud at the end of that opening that's

577
00:32:54,895 --> 00:32:56,855
Speaker 8: holding up the lintel. You're going to remove that, and

578
00:32:56,895 --> 00:32:59,095
Speaker 8: there's nothing holding the lintel up, right.

579
00:33:00,215 --> 00:33:02,095
Speaker 9: So there is a bit we don't want.

580
00:33:02,895 --> 00:33:07,855
Speaker 8: No, No, look, I think the best bedders requit. You

581
00:33:07,975 --> 00:33:09,055
Speaker 8: may even have a copy of.

582
00:33:08,975 --> 00:33:12,095
Speaker 6: The plane just to reap. Do I need an LV

583
00:33:12,775 --> 00:33:16,975
Speaker 6: Do I need a resource consent for this project? No?

584
00:33:17,135 --> 00:33:20,855
Speaker 8: Well, this we might be at cross purposes. A resource

585
00:33:20,895 --> 00:33:24,175
Speaker 8: consent is unlikely because you're not using any resource, right.

586
00:33:24,695 --> 00:33:29,535
Speaker 8: A building consent, and they are two different things might

587
00:33:29,615 --> 00:33:33,015
Speaker 8: be might be required because the wall might be load bearing,

588
00:33:33,095 --> 00:33:36,055
Speaker 8: there might be bracing elements in it. Right, So if

589
00:33:36,095 --> 00:33:39,495
Speaker 8: either of those two yeah, if either of those two

590
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:41,335
Speaker 8: things are there, then you're going to need to do

591
00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:43,775
Speaker 8: a design. You're going to need to submit that design

592
00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:48,055
Speaker 8: to counsel for a building consent. Once the building consent

593
00:33:48,135 --> 00:33:49,335
Speaker 8: comes out, then.

594
00:33:49,775 --> 00:33:51,135
Speaker 6: How long does that take?

595
00:33:52,615 --> 00:34:01,775
Speaker 8: Well, theoretically, a theoretically area twenty days right from the date.

596
00:34:01,655 --> 00:34:04,375
Speaker 9: That today sorry.

597
00:34:04,935 --> 00:34:09,615
Speaker 6: Today, things we're off surprise today for four months.

598
00:34:10,695 --> 00:34:12,735
Speaker 8: Well, it could be done by the time you get back.

599
00:34:12,935 --> 00:34:14,535
Speaker 8: I mean it's all digital.

600
00:34:15,655 --> 00:34:17,375
Speaker 6: And all the work can be done by the time

601
00:34:17,415 --> 00:34:21,775
Speaker 6: we get back. So but okay, that's great.

602
00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:24,855
Speaker 4: So do we do we.

603
00:34:24,255 --> 00:34:30,135
Speaker 6: Like and using lvps? Yeah, they're quite capable of handling

604
00:34:30,135 --> 00:34:31,255
Speaker 6: the work while we're away.

605
00:34:32,415 --> 00:34:35,095
Speaker 8: Look, that's completely up to the relationship that you have

606
00:34:35,215 --> 00:34:37,375
Speaker 8: with the LBP if you if you know them, I

607
00:34:37,415 --> 00:34:40,615
Speaker 8: mean I've done plenty of work. Well yeah, you know

608
00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:44,415
Speaker 8: they could do it. Look to be fair, it is

609
00:34:44,455 --> 00:34:46,535
Speaker 8: a little bit challenging I think as a client if

610
00:34:46,575 --> 00:34:50,335
Speaker 8: you're not there to answer questions, right, but then again

611
00:34:50,415 --> 00:34:57,055
Speaker 8: today with email text and oh absolutely no, no, you

612
00:34:57,135 --> 00:35:00,575
Speaker 8: know it all set. But I suppose what happens with

613
00:35:00,655 --> 00:35:03,615
Speaker 8: these jobs as they grow a little bit, right, because

614
00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:06,015
Speaker 8: suddenly when you pull the wall out there's a patch

615
00:35:06,095 --> 00:35:06,775
Speaker 8: of flooring.

616
00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:08,255
Speaker 9: Do you replace all the flooring?

617
00:35:08,295 --> 00:35:10,255
Speaker 8: Do you try and patch it? Do you want the

618
00:35:10,295 --> 00:35:13,255
Speaker 8: ceiling to go through in one height? What about any

619
00:35:13,415 --> 00:35:16,535
Speaker 8: electrical cables? You know, there's just constant Christians and if

620
00:35:16,535 --> 00:35:19,455
Speaker 8: you're not there, it might drag the process out a

621
00:35:19,455 --> 00:35:23,895
Speaker 8: little bit. Yeah, so fine, I am slightly envious of

622
00:35:23,895 --> 00:35:25,455
Speaker 8: you heading off to France. We're about to be.

623
00:35:25,575 --> 00:35:27,175
Speaker 9: Hitting yeah for months.

624
00:35:27,295 --> 00:35:32,455
Speaker 6: We've got a house in the Sharons to our south of.

625
00:35:32,495 --> 00:35:35,815
Speaker 9: Bordeaux, nice on the on the River v Enna.

626
00:35:35,895 --> 00:35:38,215
Speaker 6: I will be catching trout in three days time.

627
00:35:38,895 --> 00:35:39,535
Speaker 9: Good luck to you.

628
00:35:39,975 --> 00:35:42,295
Speaker 8: Enjoy that and maybe a glass of pastie in the

629
00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:44,575
Speaker 8: cafe at the end of the days.

630
00:35:47,255 --> 00:35:49,095
Speaker 9: Enjoy take care all of this.

631
00:35:51,815 --> 00:35:53,815
Speaker 8: So long story short. I think it's likely that it

632
00:35:53,895 --> 00:35:56,615
Speaker 8: needs a building consent. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties.

633
00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:59,495
Speaker 8: Having glass of psis at a at the cafe at

634
00:35:59,495 --> 00:36:01,895
Speaker 8: the end of the day in the little town square

635
00:36:02,095 --> 00:36:05,895
Speaker 8: is twenty years ago. That was me about this time. Actually,

636
00:36:08,495 --> 00:36:12,175
Speaker 8: happy days right, Oh, twelve minutes away from seven, back

637
00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:13,015
Speaker 8: with Sandy.

638
00:36:12,815 --> 00:36:15,895
Speaker 1: After the break doing our house, storting the guard and

639
00:36:15,975 --> 00:36:19,655
Speaker 1: asked Pete for ahead, the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap

640
00:36:19,775 --> 00:36:22,695
Speaker 1: call eighty eight newstalgs Vy.

641
00:36:24,175 --> 00:36:24,855
Speaker 9: You're a news talks.

642
00:36:24,855 --> 00:36:27,255
Speaker 8: They've been coming up eight minutes away from seven. Of course,

643
00:36:27,255 --> 00:36:28,975
Speaker 8: we've got news top of the air at seven before

644
00:36:29,015 --> 00:36:34,535
Speaker 8: then Sandy, Hello there, oh, hello there, I've.

645
00:36:34,455 --> 00:36:39,175
Speaker 15: Got a gas bottle query as well. I'm been in

646
00:36:39,335 --> 00:36:43,655
Speaker 15: my house two years and I'm on gas hot water yep,

647
00:36:44,255 --> 00:36:48,855
Speaker 15: And I pay the company over two hundred dollars a

648
00:36:49,015 --> 00:36:54,935
Speaker 15: year in gas bottle rentals, and I'm just and I

649
00:36:56,135 --> 00:36:59,375
Speaker 15: I've got two bottles and i haven't even used one

650
00:36:59,735 --> 00:37:07,975
Speaker 15: in three years, and I'm wondering if I can just

651
00:37:08,655 --> 00:37:16,335
Speaker 15: have connected a barbecue bottle and seeing the big gas

652
00:37:16,455 --> 00:37:19,895
Speaker 15: bottles back and say myself, the reate hole.

653
00:37:26,975 --> 00:37:29,335
Speaker 8: Look, I think the best person to give you advice

654
00:37:29,375 --> 00:37:32,295
Speaker 8: on that would be a gas fitter, right, so registered

655
00:37:32,335 --> 00:37:38,695
Speaker 8: gas fitter. In theory, I don't see a problem with it.

656
00:37:39,055 --> 00:37:43,175
Speaker 8: And the only reason I say that is again, at

657
00:37:43,175 --> 00:37:47,695
Speaker 8: a property some time ago, they had the only use

658
00:37:47,775 --> 00:37:51,335
Speaker 8: they had for gas was to power some gas hobs, right,

659
00:37:52,455 --> 00:37:56,295
Speaker 8: and that was off a standard sort of well are

660
00:37:56,335 --> 00:38:03,815
Speaker 8: they ate or nine kg? Basically off a bottle, right,

661
00:38:04,215 --> 00:38:08,215
Speaker 8: looked like a barbecue gas bottle. And I was a

662
00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:10,175
Speaker 8: little bit unsure about it. And I actually send a

663
00:38:10,215 --> 00:38:13,775
Speaker 8: photograph to the gas fitter that I have known for many,

664
00:38:13,855 --> 00:38:16,935
Speaker 8: many years and said, is this compliant? I mean, yeah,

665
00:38:17,215 --> 00:38:18,935
Speaker 8: it's fine as long as you know it's on a

666
00:38:18,975 --> 00:38:22,095
Speaker 8: stable platform that sort of thing. So yeah, theoretically, but

667
00:38:22,215 --> 00:38:24,775
Speaker 8: I think i'd feel better saying to you, hey, what

668
00:38:24,895 --> 00:38:27,455
Speaker 8: I would do is talk to a professional gas fitter,

669
00:38:28,615 --> 00:38:30,775
Speaker 8: get their advice. You might find that the hose that

670
00:38:30,895 --> 00:38:33,735
Speaker 8: you've got is designed to go to the top of

671
00:38:33,815 --> 00:38:37,415
Speaker 8: a taller tank, in which case it won't reach to

672
00:38:37,495 --> 00:38:40,895
Speaker 8: the ground for example. And I think too, there's a

673
00:38:40,975 --> 00:38:44,895
Speaker 8: requirement that they're secured so that they don't fall over,

674
00:38:45,215 --> 00:38:51,655
Speaker 8: which is important. Well it's outside, yes, I know, but

675
00:38:51,735 --> 00:38:54,535
Speaker 8: it's more that it has if it's if it's knocked

676
00:38:54,575 --> 00:38:57,935
Speaker 8: over for example, and pulls on the hose or you know,

677
00:38:58,295 --> 00:39:01,495
Speaker 8: pulls the hose out or something like that. Those are issues, right,

678
00:39:01,615 --> 00:39:06,575
Speaker 8: those genuine safety concerns around ensuring that you don't end

679
00:39:06,655 --> 00:39:08,135
Speaker 8: up with an explosion.

680
00:39:08,215 --> 00:39:10,815
Speaker 9: Basically, well, I.

681
00:39:10,855 --> 00:39:14,175
Speaker 15: Suppose I could ask the people.

682
00:39:13,975 --> 00:39:16,175
Speaker 4: That SAG I guess.

683
00:39:16,735 --> 00:39:19,975
Speaker 8: The other thing, too, is to that consideration around you know,

684
00:39:20,015 --> 00:39:21,895
Speaker 8: the fact that you've got the two bottles, and yes,

685
00:39:21,935 --> 00:39:25,615
Speaker 8: they've lasted you an extraordinary long time. But the beauty

686
00:39:25,695 --> 00:39:29,495
Speaker 8: of those systems is that one when one runs out,

687
00:39:29,615 --> 00:39:32,735
Speaker 8: it automatically swaps over to the other one, as opposed

688
00:39:32,815 --> 00:39:36,415
Speaker 8: to hopping in the shower, turning on hot water and

689
00:39:36,495 --> 00:39:39,535
Speaker 8: discovering that the bottles run empty and then suddenly you've

690
00:39:39,535 --> 00:39:42,855
Speaker 8: got to go and you know, go and get a

691
00:39:42,895 --> 00:39:45,135
Speaker 8: new bottle and those sorts of things.

692
00:39:46,255 --> 00:39:48,295
Speaker 9: It looks it's completely up to you.

693
00:39:48,455 --> 00:39:53,575
Speaker 15: But m okay, well thanks, but.

694
00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:56,735
Speaker 8: I would get advice from a professional guess for around

695
00:39:56,775 --> 00:39:59,175
Speaker 8: the regulations of having your own bottle like that.

696
00:39:59,295 --> 00:40:03,895
Speaker 15: Okay, I'm sure the gas company could give me that information,

697
00:40:04,215 --> 00:40:05,655
Speaker 15: couldn't they as well?

698
00:40:06,735 --> 00:40:09,655
Speaker 8: But remember they're in the business of selling you gas, right,

699
00:40:09,775 --> 00:40:14,015
Speaker 8: They're not going to necessarily advise you to ditch what

700
00:40:14,175 --> 00:40:19,975
Speaker 8: they offer and go down the road and get something cheaper. Yeah, alright,

701
00:40:20,295 --> 00:40:23,935
Speaker 8: you take care all the best, boy. Then, Actually i'll

702
00:40:23,935 --> 00:40:28,055
Speaker 8: tell you what here we go from Chris. Text came

703
00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:31,495
Speaker 8: in almost immediately, Pete, technically you can't use a barbecue

704
00:40:31,535 --> 00:40:34,535
Speaker 8: gas bottle as the pressure is Plumber advised.

705
00:40:34,575 --> 00:40:35,775
Speaker 13: It's not.

706
00:40:37,975 --> 00:40:41,055
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's too low for the hot water. The

707
00:40:41,095 --> 00:40:45,095
Speaker 8: Califont won't like it. That's a fair point, obviously. You know,

708
00:40:45,175 --> 00:40:48,175
Speaker 8: big bottle more pressure. Smaller bottle not designed for high

709
00:40:48,215 --> 00:40:50,975
Speaker 8: pressure because it's just typically just feeding the barbecue, isn't it.

710
00:40:51,815 --> 00:40:53,175
Speaker 9: Or a hob for example.

711
00:40:53,335 --> 00:40:55,775
Speaker 8: But that's quite a different amount of gas than is

712
00:40:55,895 --> 00:40:58,535
Speaker 8: required for the Califont. So it might just be sandy

713
00:40:58,575 --> 00:41:01,735
Speaker 8: a technical issue there that it simply just won't work

714
00:41:01,895 --> 00:41:04,175
Speaker 8: off another type of bottle. Again, that's why you get

715
00:41:04,215 --> 00:41:05,935
Speaker 8: professional advice back after the.

716
00:41:05,935 --> 00:41:09,615
Speaker 1: Break, whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with fans, or

717
00:41:09,735 --> 00:41:11,935
Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give

718
00:41:12,015 --> 00:41:16,535
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Gaffer call on eighty, the resident builder on

719
00:41:16,655 --> 00:41:17,495
Speaker 1: youth dogs.

720
00:41:18,215 --> 00:41:21,375
Speaker 8: Indeed indeed resident builder here on a Sunday morning, Sunday

721
00:41:21,415 --> 00:41:25,095
Speaker 8: morning of a long weekend Tomorrow. Of course, King's Birthday

722
00:41:25,335 --> 00:41:27,015
Speaker 8: day takes a little bit of getting used to the

723
00:41:27,175 --> 00:41:29,655
Speaker 8: King's birthday as opposed to the Queen's Birthday, which we

724
00:41:29,735 --> 00:41:33,855
Speaker 8: got used to saying for what seventy odd years. Anyway,

725
00:41:33,895 --> 00:41:38,855
Speaker 8: tomorrow's public it's a day off. Like I didn't get

726
00:41:38,855 --> 00:41:43,415
Speaker 8: around to doing the lawns today, sorry yesterday. I loathe

727
00:41:43,455 --> 00:41:45,135
Speaker 8: them to test doing them on a Sunday, so I'm

728
00:41:45,175 --> 00:41:46,295
Speaker 8: not going to do them on a Sunday. But I

729
00:41:46,335 --> 00:41:48,655
Speaker 8: figured that a Monday of a public holiday this kind

730
00:41:48,655 --> 00:41:50,535
Speaker 8: of feels like a Saturday, so that's all right to

731
00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:54,575
Speaker 8: do it. I'm thinking tomorrow's Tomorrow's the day, oh eight

732
00:41:54,695 --> 00:41:57,055
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty is that I've got to get

733
00:41:57,095 --> 00:41:59,095
Speaker 8: all the other stuff out of their way first, before

734
00:41:59,095 --> 00:42:03,415
Speaker 8: I can get back to the lawnmar Right. Yeah, I've

735
00:42:03,415 --> 00:42:06,095
Speaker 8: got space issues, I've got storage issues. I might even

736
00:42:06,135 --> 00:42:08,575
Speaker 8: have poarding issues, but that's another matter. Oh eight, one

737
00:42:08,655 --> 00:42:10,615
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

738
00:42:10,655 --> 00:42:12,855
Speaker 8: if you've got a question of a building nature. We've

739
00:42:12,895 --> 00:42:17,895
Speaker 8: talked a bit about especially work that requires building consent,

740
00:42:18,215 --> 00:42:20,695
Speaker 8: like what type of work requires a building consent? What

741
00:42:20,855 --> 00:42:24,655
Speaker 8: type of work doesn't necessarily require a building consent? But

742
00:42:25,255 --> 00:42:28,375
Speaker 8: the bit that seemingly lots of people forget about is

743
00:42:28,415 --> 00:42:33,695
Speaker 8: that building work that doesn't necessarily require a building consent

744
00:42:34,335 --> 00:42:37,375
Speaker 8: still needs to be done in accordance to the building code.

745
00:42:37,935 --> 00:42:41,575
Speaker 8: So it was a great conversation with Heather about someone

746
00:42:41,655 --> 00:42:45,095
Speaker 8: coming to build a deck on a property that obviously

747
00:42:45,135 --> 00:42:46,895
Speaker 8: the house was built and then we'll do the deck

748
00:42:47,015 --> 00:42:49,615
Speaker 8: later on. So the deck there, from what I can tell,

749
00:42:49,735 --> 00:42:53,295
Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily require a building consent, but you do want

750
00:42:53,415 --> 00:42:56,695
Speaker 8: some evidence that it is built to the code. And

751
00:42:56,815 --> 00:42:57,575
Speaker 8: how do you find that?

752
00:42:57,695 --> 00:42:59,255
Speaker 9: Well, the simplest way would.

753
00:42:59,015 --> 00:43:01,655
Speaker 8: Be go to three six O four NZS three six four,

754
00:43:02,135 --> 00:43:06,895
Speaker 8: which is the guide to light timber construction and work

755
00:43:06,935 --> 00:43:09,815
Speaker 8: out there span tables. How far apart do I need

756
00:43:09,935 --> 00:43:12,295
Speaker 8: the post to be so that gives you an idea

757
00:43:12,295 --> 00:43:15,775
Speaker 8: of how many posts you might need. So working backwards

758
00:43:15,775 --> 00:43:18,015
Speaker 8: from the overall size, you'd go, Okay, I'm going to

759
00:43:18,055 --> 00:43:20,855
Speaker 8: have my joy spanning this amount, which means my bearers

760
00:43:20,935 --> 00:43:23,015
Speaker 8: need to span this which means my posts need to

761
00:43:23,055 --> 00:43:26,615
Speaker 8: be there. But I think it's not unreasonable to ask

762
00:43:26,815 --> 00:43:29,535
Speaker 8: whoever's building it if they don't need a building consent.

763
00:43:30,375 --> 00:43:33,055
Speaker 8: Beautiful building consent is immediately you've got a set of

764
00:43:33,095 --> 00:43:35,095
Speaker 8: plans for that to then go, this is how I

765
00:43:35,175 --> 00:43:38,335
Speaker 8: can prove compliance with the building code because you are

766
00:43:38,415 --> 00:43:41,855
Speaker 8: reliant then completely on the contractor doing the work to

767
00:43:42,375 --> 00:43:45,935
Speaker 8: be competent and to know what the code requirements are.

768
00:43:46,055 --> 00:43:48,255
Speaker 8: Even in terms of fixing, you know, how are you

769
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:52,775
Speaker 8: going to fasten the bearer to the pile? You know

770
00:43:53,055 --> 00:43:55,335
Speaker 8: what type of fixings are you going to use? Does

771
00:43:55,415 --> 00:43:58,775
Speaker 8: it require a handrail? In which case, depending on the

772
00:43:58,855 --> 00:44:02,375
Speaker 8: type of handrail, there are hot restraints that you need

773
00:44:02,895 --> 00:44:06,175
Speaker 8: to ensure that the handrail itself is going to resist

774
00:44:06,175 --> 00:44:09,295
Speaker 8: the impact of someone tripping against it or falling against it,

775
00:44:10,135 --> 00:44:12,415
Speaker 8: that it's not going to get bendy and wobbly and

776
00:44:12,615 --> 00:44:15,535
Speaker 8: fall over. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like

777
00:44:15,575 --> 00:44:18,215
Speaker 8: to talk all things building construction, we can do that.

778
00:44:18,335 --> 00:44:20,375
Speaker 8: Someone a text through and went, hey, just about that,

779
00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:23,375
Speaker 8: they are obviously thinking about doing it a.

780
00:44:25,375 --> 00:44:26,055
Speaker 9: Building a deck.

781
00:44:26,655 --> 00:44:29,655
Speaker 8: I mentioned the fact that, as far as I know,

782
00:44:30,735 --> 00:44:33,095
Speaker 8: using one hundred by hundred posts, so literally like a

783
00:44:33,175 --> 00:44:35,975
Speaker 8: fence post that you can buy because they're a lot

784
00:44:36,055 --> 00:44:39,375
Speaker 8: cheaper than tanner piles or sentence piles, which are one

785
00:44:39,455 --> 00:44:41,415
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty five by one hundred and twenty five.

786
00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:45,175
Speaker 8: Decks need to be supported on tanna piles.

787
00:44:45,455 --> 00:44:46,895
Speaker 9: If you do your deck with one.

788
00:44:46,895 --> 00:44:51,935
Speaker 8: Hundred bye hundred fence posts, it's not code compliant, and

789
00:44:52,015 --> 00:44:55,935
Speaker 8: I've seen it often. So even a deck that's you know,

790
00:44:56,135 --> 00:44:58,255
Speaker 8: three hundred milimeters off the ground or something like that,

791
00:44:58,895 --> 00:45:01,895
Speaker 8: still needs to be built in accordance with the building code.

792
00:45:02,055 --> 00:45:04,335
Speaker 8: We can talk about that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

793
00:45:04,455 --> 00:45:07,215
Speaker 8: is the number to call. Maybe you've would have seen

794
00:45:07,295 --> 00:45:09,455
Speaker 8: that article during the course of the week. Was in

795
00:45:09,535 --> 00:45:13,935
Speaker 8: the Herald during the week research out of brands talking

796
00:45:14,015 --> 00:45:20,455
Speaker 8: about which trades get the most callbacks, and interestingly enough,

797
00:45:20,535 --> 00:45:23,295
Speaker 8: top of the list was painters. I think it deserves

798
00:45:23,335 --> 00:45:26,655
Speaker 8: a bit more sort of explanation and analysis than just going, oh,

799
00:45:27,015 --> 00:45:29,015
Speaker 8: that means painters are not very good at their jobs.

800
00:45:29,095 --> 00:45:31,975
Speaker 8: I think that it's in that case, it's probably a

801
00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:35,015
Speaker 8: lot about the fact that, you know, paintwork gets damaged

802
00:45:35,055 --> 00:45:37,655
Speaker 8: by all sorts of trades and people being in the house.

803
00:45:38,095 --> 00:45:40,575
Speaker 8: You know, someone carrying a bath scratches the wall. Someone

804
00:45:40,615 --> 00:45:43,415
Speaker 8: putting in an overhead cabinet in the kitchen scratches the wall.

805
00:45:43,455 --> 00:45:46,535
Speaker 8: All of these sorts of things, Right, so it's not

806
00:45:46,615 --> 00:45:50,615
Speaker 8: surprising that painters come back. Builders were next. I was

807
00:45:50,615 --> 00:45:54,095
Speaker 8: actually quite surprised at how many roofers were being called

808
00:45:54,135 --> 00:45:57,495
Speaker 8: back for jobs. Anyway, we're going to do some research

809
00:45:57,535 --> 00:45:57,695
Speaker 8: on that.

810
00:45:57,895 --> 00:45:58,055
Speaker 13: Well.

811
00:45:58,335 --> 00:46:00,295
Speaker 8: Actually I'm going to talk to the researcher during the

812
00:46:00,295 --> 00:46:02,855
Speaker 8: week and we'll have that interview next week. I wait,

813
00:46:03,015 --> 00:46:05,615
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. I wait hundred

814
00:46:05,735 --> 00:46:09,895
Speaker 8: eighty ten nine two ninety two on the text, and

815
00:46:10,015 --> 00:46:12,535
Speaker 8: if you would like to email me, you're more than

816
00:46:12,575 --> 00:46:15,295
Speaker 8: welcome to do that as well. It's Pete at NEWSTALKSIDB

817
00:46:15,455 --> 00:46:18,375
Speaker 8: dot co dot NZ. PETE deck up to one point

818
00:46:18,415 --> 00:46:20,775
Speaker 8: five does need a building consent, but the barrier does.

819
00:46:20,935 --> 00:46:26,975
Speaker 8: If it's over a meter, you're absolutely right. Ah, hang on,

820
00:46:27,055 --> 00:46:28,655
Speaker 8: I think what Steve is trying to say is the

821
00:46:28,735 --> 00:46:31,135
Speaker 8: deck doesn't need a building consent if it's one point

822
00:46:31,215 --> 00:46:36,775
Speaker 8: five but the barrier. But it does need a barrier,

823
00:46:36,895 --> 00:46:38,535
Speaker 8: I think is what you're saying there. It's not like

824
00:46:38,615 --> 00:46:41,055
Speaker 8: the barrier then needs a building consent. So let's say

825
00:46:41,095 --> 00:46:44,095
Speaker 8: the decks one point two meters above the ground. So

826
00:46:44,295 --> 00:46:47,895
Speaker 8: to prevent injury from falling, it requires a handrail, or

827
00:46:47,935 --> 00:46:52,855
Speaker 8: it requires a barrier because it's you can fall more

828
00:46:52,895 --> 00:46:55,455
Speaker 8: than a meter, but because it's less than one point

829
00:46:55,535 --> 00:46:58,655
Speaker 8: five meters, it doesn't require a building consent. But yes,

830
00:46:58,735 --> 00:47:01,175
Speaker 8: you're right, Steve, it does require a handrail in the

831
00:47:01,255 --> 00:47:05,215
Speaker 8: same way that more than three rises are on a

832
00:47:05,295 --> 00:47:07,975
Speaker 8: set of stairs. It's an unusual number, isn't it. More

833
00:47:08,015 --> 00:47:14,575
Speaker 8: than three rises requires a handra eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

834
00:47:14,615 --> 00:47:17,375
Speaker 8: We can talk rigs and rules, and we've been talking

835
00:47:17,455 --> 00:47:20,215
Speaker 8: quite a bit about gas bottles as well, So just

836
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:23,815
Speaker 8: to be really clear on that, if you've got a

837
00:47:23,975 --> 00:47:27,895
Speaker 8: gas califont so an on demand water heater that's run

838
00:47:27,975 --> 00:47:31,615
Speaker 8: off the large commercial bottles, they are at higher pressure,

839
00:47:32,535 --> 00:47:34,815
Speaker 8: and the idea of swapping that out for what we

840
00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:37,855
Speaker 8: might call a barbecue bottle, will find that it's lower

841
00:47:37,935 --> 00:47:42,055
Speaker 8: pressure and the califont won't work properly on the lower pressure,

842
00:47:42,095 --> 00:47:45,135
Speaker 8: So that's a good reason to not swap them over. Sandy,

843
00:47:45,455 --> 00:47:47,615
Speaker 8: who we were talking to before the news, oh eight

844
00:47:47,775 --> 00:47:50,655
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty is Ah has good text before

845
00:47:50,655 --> 00:47:52,975
Speaker 8: the break Pete. We've got a five year old house

846
00:47:53,175 --> 00:47:55,935
Speaker 8: with a standard double garage which the builder has kindly

847
00:47:56,055 --> 00:47:58,815
Speaker 8: omitted to insulate the ceiling. We are wanting to bat

848
00:47:58,855 --> 00:48:00,815
Speaker 8: the ceiling. How do we calculate the number of packs

849
00:48:00,855 --> 00:48:03,815
Speaker 8: that we need? Is there a calculation to use? We're

850
00:48:03,895 --> 00:48:08,255
Speaker 8: in Katahadi and the bay plenty from Leslie. Now, just

851
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:12,295
Speaker 8: to point out Leslie, technically the garage is not a

852
00:48:12,375 --> 00:48:16,055
Speaker 8: habitable space, so it doesn't need to be insulated. I

853
00:48:16,175 --> 00:48:20,215
Speaker 8: think that's foolish, and I've typically always insulated garages if

854
00:48:20,215 --> 00:48:24,215
Speaker 8: they're attached to the house. But technically it didn't need

855
00:48:24,335 --> 00:48:26,015
Speaker 8: to be done, even if it is a five year

856
00:48:26,055 --> 00:48:33,055
Speaker 8: old house. So normally, depending on which type of insulation

857
00:48:33,215 --> 00:48:37,335
Speaker 8: you choose, each bail will have a coverage. So if

858
00:48:37,375 --> 00:48:40,495
Speaker 8: it's a standard sized garage six by six, that's thirty

859
00:48:40,535 --> 00:48:43,895
Speaker 8: six square meters. If there's ten square meters in a bail,

860
00:48:44,055 --> 00:48:46,135
Speaker 8: you'll need three and a half bales or four bales

861
00:48:46,175 --> 00:48:48,535
Speaker 8: of insulation that sort of thing, So that's not too

862
00:48:48,695 --> 00:48:52,335
Speaker 8: challenging to figure out. I'm sure, Oh, eight hundred eighty

863
00:48:52,415 --> 00:48:53,975
Speaker 8: ten eighty give us a call. We've got some more

864
00:48:54,055 --> 00:48:56,975
Speaker 8: texts coming through, but if you would like to call,

865
00:48:57,055 --> 00:48:59,775
Speaker 8: that'd be great. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

866
00:49:00,615 --> 00:49:04,215
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Give the right advice from

867
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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident filled out on News Talk SB.

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Speaker 8: Really, I'm going to do an interview with the researchers

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Speaker 8: at Brands this week around this survey. This is about

870
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Speaker 8: sort of basically which trades have to come back how often?

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Speaker 9: So the summary of.

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Speaker 8: It is is that around I think it's eighty nine

873
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Speaker 8: percent of people who move into a new house need

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Speaker 8: to call back one of the trades people involved in,

875
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Speaker 8: whether that's the painter, the tyler, the roof of, the electrician,

876
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Speaker 8: the plumber, the carpenter, et cetera, et cetera. And then

877
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Speaker 8: I'm reading through the article. It was on the Herald

878
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Speaker 8: during this week. New home owner satisfaction is also going

879
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Speaker 8: in the wrong direction. In twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent

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Speaker 8: rated their builder on the overall quality of the home

881
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Speaker 8: as good. Right, So twenty seventeen, eighty nine percent of

882
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Speaker 8: people said that they thought their builder was good. In

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, the most recently surveyed year, this had

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Speaker 8: dropped a eighty one percent people recommending. In twenty seventeen,

885
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Speaker 8: seventy percent of new homeowners were likely to recommend their builder.

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Speaker 8: By twenty twenty three, this had dropped to sixty one percent,

887
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Speaker 8: and the proportion unlikely to recommend their builder had risen

888
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Speaker 8: to thirty two percent. Oh, there's going to be some

889
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Speaker 8: great detail in this. We'll We'll be chatting with brands

890
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Speaker 8: during the week and I'll have that interview for you

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Speaker 8: next week as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

892
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Speaker 8: eighty is the number to call Robbie. Greetings.

893
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Speaker 13: Yes, goodn't winning Pete. Hey, Robbie, I just thought I

894
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Speaker 13: might put the records straight on the gas buddle situation.

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Speaker 8: All the gas bottles, Sorry, Robbie, just to I know

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Speaker 8: in the in the note that I've got, you're a

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Speaker 8: certified gas fitter.

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Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, cool, go for it.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. I have been in the business for four ideas

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Speaker 13: the thing is incluse with the gas bottles the cooked top,

901
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Speaker 13: and he takes a small quantity of gas yep. So

902
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Speaker 13: to put it on a nine kg is quite code.

903
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Speaker 13: So the bottles are all felt the same pressure, so

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Speaker 13: they don't vary at all.

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Speaker 16: But with.

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Speaker 13: The forty fives are better on a water heater because

907
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Speaker 13: a water heater consumes far more gas than a cook top. Yes,

908
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Speaker 13: so it's it's the ability for the gas can the

909
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Speaker 13: liquid to convert to gas. So the volume of the

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Speaker 13: in the forty five, it's got a greater opportunity of

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Speaker 13: the heat from the outside to convert the liquid into gas.

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Speaker 13: All right, yep.

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Speaker 8: So if you if you were to swap from a

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Speaker 8: forty five the big steep bottles right to the smaller

915
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Speaker 8: of barbecue bottle the nine kg on a califon. Is

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Speaker 8: the issue just about the volume. It's not about the pressure.

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Speaker 13: Nothing to do with pressure, right. Pressure will take its

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Speaker 13: insideration from the amount that's in there. And because the heat,

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Speaker 13: the latent heat goes into the gas and converts it

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Speaker 13: sorry into the liquid and converts it to gas. That's

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Speaker 13: where the factor is. So the supply of gas water

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Speaker 13: here is considerably larger than a cook top, so it's

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Speaker 13: got to be otherwise. It's the situations. Say, if you

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Speaker 13: go into a restaurant situation where you've got four or

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Speaker 13: five gas bottles and they're already pouring on the gas

926
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Speaker 13: in the morning, you'll get that situation to freeze up.

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Speaker 13: It'll work like a refrigerator because there's too much liquid

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Speaker 13: coming through the line.

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Speaker 8: Earlier on, we we also had a conversation with a

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Speaker 8: gentlemen who obviously the company that are delivering the bottles

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Speaker 8: that they use for gas hot water. We're doing a

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Speaker 8: bit of an audit and identified that there was an

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Speaker 8: ignition source being an outdoor power point and a pump

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Speaker 8: too close to the gas bottle.

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Speaker 9: But it was around a corner.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 8: So if you've got let's say, to a corner to

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Speaker 8: the gas bottle is eight hundred milimeters and then from

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Speaker 8: that corner, go round the corner to where the pumpers

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Speaker 8: and with an outdoor power point that was another three

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Speaker 8: hundred milimeters, So it's not the one point five required,

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Speaker 8: But would you look at that and go Actually, the

943
00:53:43,135 --> 00:53:46,295
Speaker 8: fact is it's around the corner. The ignition sources sort

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Speaker 8: of sheltered.

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Speaker 13: It's relatively low risk or should be stretching the situation

946
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Speaker 13: will eave it.

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Speaker 9: So what what would be the solution?

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Speaker 13: So I don't know whether they're sort of you know,

949
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Speaker 13: beyond that, maybe because I.

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Speaker 8: Think too sometimes we have a bit of a short

951
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Speaker 8: memory around these things. And I know there was an incident,

952
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Speaker 8: there's quite a well known incident where it was actually

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Speaker 8: the fault of the gas fitter who had left a

954
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Speaker 8: mains connection uncapped during servicing and that caused the house

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Speaker 8: to explode. But there was another case where remember a

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Speaker 8: family were living in sort of like a tiny house.

957
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Speaker 8: They were running some of their gas their cooking off

958
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Speaker 8: a gas bottle. The gas bottle hadn't been checked. There

959
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Speaker 8: was a slow leak, and when they came in and

960
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Speaker 8: turned the light switch on, the tiny little spark from

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Speaker 8: the light switch was enough to ignite the gas that

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Speaker 8: had accumulated in that building and blew up the building. Basically,

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Speaker 8: So I wonder whether sometimes we get a bit complacent

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Speaker 8: around you know, the potential for harm from gas. If

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Speaker 8: it's if we've become a bit placement.

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Speaker 13: Well, couldn't have the rigs, of course, you shouldn't have

967
00:55:10,015 --> 00:55:13,415
Speaker 13: the gas bottle inside, right, put in a proper cover

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Speaker 13: with ventilation and so on. So but what I got

969
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Speaker 13: back from the board on the house blowing up was

970
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Speaker 13: the fact that the gas that went away, he did

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Speaker 13: not cap it all. Homeowner came home, wanted to shower,

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Speaker 13: quickly went out to the street. What I can understand,

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Speaker 13: and turned the gas on.

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Speaker 8: Did they go to the street or did they just

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Speaker 8: go to where the met was outside and turn the

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Speaker 8: meta back on?

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Speaker 13: Well, whatever was the owner created the situation from that point.

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Speaker 9: Of view by turning it on. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 8: And the I don't know if it's miscommunication or whatever,

980
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Speaker 8: but I mean, gee, the impact was enormous, wasn't it.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the house was gone tremendous. It's not one

982
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Speaker 13: of the things. But we do have a very very

983
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Speaker 13: good tafety record in New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 13: There was one down two to cart. There was a

986
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:20,975
Speaker 13: landlord of the home and and lady came home, lit

987
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Speaker 13: it up and blew the side out of the house.

988
00:56:22,975 --> 00:56:24,575
Speaker 13: I don't know what they're a killed writing. It may

989
00:56:24,655 --> 00:56:28,255
Speaker 13: have done right, So you know, you really have to

990
00:56:28,695 --> 00:56:32,175
Speaker 13: stick with the stick with the trade that knows surely

991
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Speaker 13: all about it.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, and that's I think that's also part of

993
00:56:36,495 --> 00:56:38,495
Speaker 8: the reason that you guess that it is a certified

994
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Speaker 8: So it's that next level of qualification. Interesting to see though,

995
00:56:42,015 --> 00:56:45,015
Speaker 8: is more and more discussion around plumbers being certified now

996
00:56:45,095 --> 00:56:48,375
Speaker 8: as well, so having a similar sort of level of

997
00:56:48,495 --> 00:56:52,415
Speaker 8: responsibility I guess as as guess that does traditionally have had.

998
00:56:53,615 --> 00:56:57,535
Speaker 13: Well, that's that's that's something that there the PROBS board

999
00:56:57,735 --> 00:57:02,055
Speaker 13: and us as plumbers looking to get to do. But

1000
00:57:02,215 --> 00:57:06,655
Speaker 13: of course the gas has got a greater energy hard

1001
00:57:07,135 --> 00:57:09,215
Speaker 13: safety stuff to factor.

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00:57:09,735 --> 00:57:12,055
Speaker 8: Appreciate you taking the time to call through Robie. Really

1003
00:57:12,455 --> 00:57:14,775
Speaker 8: great insights from you. Thank you very very much for

1004
00:57:14,855 --> 00:57:17,655
Speaker 8: that your news talks, he'd be we are talking all

1005
00:57:17,735 --> 00:57:20,335
Speaker 8: things building, including the rigs and the rules, and I

1006
00:57:20,415 --> 00:57:23,375
Speaker 8: think too sometimes we kind of lose sight of why

1007
00:57:23,495 --> 00:57:28,135
Speaker 8: we have the rules and the regulations because typically there's

1008
00:57:28,215 --> 00:57:34,415
Speaker 8: potential for harm, right, and while they're unusual, you know,

1009
00:57:34,455 --> 00:57:38,695
Speaker 8: there have been situations we're building collapses or collapses are

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00:57:38,815 --> 00:57:43,535
Speaker 8: part of a building structure have caused either serious injury

1011
00:57:43,695 --> 00:57:48,575
Speaker 8: or in some case death, So you know, I think

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00:57:48,655 --> 00:57:53,415
Speaker 8: sometimes we get I feel that sometimes the discussion is around, ah,

1013
00:57:53,495 --> 00:57:55,975
Speaker 8: there's too many rules and so on, and there might

1014
00:57:56,015 --> 00:57:58,615
Speaker 8: be a solid argument for that, But I think sometimes

1015
00:57:58,655 --> 00:58:00,295
Speaker 8: we lose sight of the fact that the rules are

1016
00:58:00,295 --> 00:58:03,455
Speaker 8: there to ensure that harm doesn't occur. Oh, you may

1017
00:58:03,495 --> 00:58:05,135
Speaker 8: care to comment on that. I might be getting a

1018
00:58:05,175 --> 00:58:08,335
Speaker 8: bit on the whole thing. Maybe I should loose enough

1019
00:58:08,375 --> 00:58:10,855
Speaker 8: of it. You tell me. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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00:58:10,895 --> 00:58:16,895
Speaker 8: We're talking building construction, and oh, decks. We've been talking

1021
00:58:16,935 --> 00:58:18,655
Speaker 8: a bit about decks, because you can build decks, some

1022
00:58:18,855 --> 00:58:21,975
Speaker 8: types of decks in terms of height, in location, and

1023
00:58:22,055 --> 00:58:27,055
Speaker 8: so on, without necessarily requiring a building consent. Hey, pete,

1024
00:58:27,095 --> 00:58:28,975
Speaker 8: how can a bear on a new deck be closer

1025
00:58:29,015 --> 00:58:30,615
Speaker 8: than one hundred and fifty to the ground by not

1026
00:58:30,775 --> 00:58:33,255
Speaker 8: being H four or not? Well, you'd want to make

1027
00:58:33,295 --> 00:58:39,895
Speaker 8: it H four with floors. Like floors for a house,

1028
00:58:39,975 --> 00:58:44,615
Speaker 8: for example, there's a minimum crawl space required underneath. That's

1029
00:58:44,775 --> 00:58:47,855
Speaker 8: not the case for decks. So I was on one

1030
00:58:47,895 --> 00:58:50,015
Speaker 8: the other day that might have been thirty or forty

1031
00:58:50,055 --> 00:58:55,735
Speaker 8: milimeters above finished ground level to where the bearer was,

1032
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Speaker 8: and then the choice werenogged in between because they wanted

1033
00:58:58,695 --> 00:59:00,615
Speaker 8: it to be as low as possible. So you just

1034
00:59:00,695 --> 00:59:03,095
Speaker 8: do all of that in H four and you'll be fine.

1035
00:59:03,335 --> 00:59:05,415
Speaker 8: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 1: Calling you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

1037
00:59:10,095 --> 00:59:14,855
Speaker 1: builder with BEATABLESCAT call us TALKSB.

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00:59:17,575 --> 00:59:20,055
Speaker 8: Just gone seven thirty Here a news TALKSB and the

1039
00:59:20,135 --> 00:59:22,535
Speaker 8: lines are open for you. Leslie as text back, just

1040
00:59:22,695 --> 00:59:25,695
Speaker 8: this is about the internal garage. So garage attached to

1041
00:59:25,775 --> 00:59:30,615
Speaker 8: the house but not insulated. The ceiling's not insulated and

1042
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:33,375
Speaker 8: LESSI texs back. Hey forgot to mention the garage has

1043
00:59:33,455 --> 00:59:35,815
Speaker 8: internal access, so we would have assumed it would have

1044
00:59:35,935 --> 00:59:45,295
Speaker 8: been insulated. And look again, what what is quite common,

1045
00:59:45,495 --> 00:59:48,135
Speaker 8: whether it's the builder that drives it or the developer

1046
00:59:48,175 --> 00:59:52,815
Speaker 8: that drives it, is that in terms of the code,

1047
00:59:52,855 --> 00:59:55,975
Speaker 8: you only have to insulate the habitable spaces, right, So

1048
00:59:56,095 --> 01:00:00,055
Speaker 8: you're creating a thermal envelope around the habitable spaces of

1049
01:00:00,095 --> 01:00:03,575
Speaker 8: the house, the garage which might be attached and in

1050
01:00:03,655 --> 01:00:05,575
Speaker 8: this case it is attached to the house and it

1051
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Speaker 8: has internal access. What the builder or the developer would

1052
01:00:09,495 --> 01:00:11,495
Speaker 8: need to do is insulate the roof space of the

1053
01:00:11,575 --> 01:00:15,895
Speaker 8: house and insulate the wall between the garage and the

1054
01:00:17,575 --> 01:00:20,775
Speaker 8: rest of the house to ensure that that's the thermal envelope.

1055
01:00:21,935 --> 01:00:24,775
Speaker 8: And I guess what it means for the builder developer

1056
01:00:25,575 --> 01:00:27,495
Speaker 8: is oh, I get to save a bit on insulation

1057
01:00:28,415 --> 01:00:29,855
Speaker 8: and I don't need to do it and all the

1058
01:00:29,935 --> 01:00:32,735
Speaker 8: rest of it because it's not part of the habitable space.

1059
01:00:32,855 --> 01:00:34,815
Speaker 8: But yeah, in the end you end up with a

1060
01:00:34,895 --> 01:00:38,815
Speaker 8: cold garage trapping cold air against the building.

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01:00:42,175 --> 01:00:42,375
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1062
01:00:43,095 --> 01:00:45,255
Speaker 8: I think it's a good idea to insulate garages if

1063
01:00:45,335 --> 01:00:47,535
Speaker 8: you can. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1064
01:00:47,655 --> 01:00:50,615
Speaker 8: the number to call. Thanks very much for that text again,

1065
01:00:50,855 --> 01:00:57,735
Speaker 8: Leslie Peter Greetings, Hi, Hey, hey.

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01:00:58,415 --> 01:01:02,775
Speaker 16: II, good good. I have a upstairs deck with which

1067
01:01:02,895 --> 01:01:06,575
Speaker 16: is supported by external poles, and I need to move

1068
01:01:06,695 --> 01:01:09,615
Speaker 16: one of the polls to create a space for put

1069
01:01:09,655 --> 01:01:13,615
Speaker 16: a car underneath. I have a building consent from the council,

1070
01:01:14,255 --> 01:01:15,295
Speaker 16: which I'm quite happy to.

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Speaker 8: Have got for the original wondering or for the change

1072
01:01:20,535 --> 01:01:21,975
Speaker 8: for the change, okay.

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01:01:22,215 --> 01:01:22,295
Speaker 12: And.

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Speaker 16: What I'm wondering is I have a friend who's a

1075
01:01:28,095 --> 01:01:34,015
Speaker 16: young guy who's about five years pastors building apprenticeship. He's

1076
01:01:34,055 --> 01:01:40,015
Speaker 16: not an LBP, and wondering do I need an LBP

1077
01:01:40,335 --> 01:01:43,615
Speaker 16: to have the work carried out properly and legally.

1078
01:01:44,895 --> 01:01:48,455
Speaker 8: In terms of the actual legislation. What's required is because

1079
01:01:48,495 --> 01:01:51,215
Speaker 8: you've got a building consent that makes it restricted building work.

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01:01:52,255 --> 01:01:56,775
Speaker 8: Restricted building work can be can only be done or

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Speaker 8: supervised by an LBP. So let's say the young guy,

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01:02:01,695 --> 01:02:04,135
Speaker 8: to be fair, there's really no excuse for not being

1083
01:02:04,175 --> 01:02:06,975
Speaker 8: an LBP. If he's done his time, he should get registered,

1084
01:02:07,175 --> 01:02:09,855
Speaker 8: So I'd put that pressure on him to be blunt.

1085
01:02:10,295 --> 01:02:12,535
Speaker 8: The other thing is if he's not an LBP for

1086
01:02:12,655 --> 01:02:16,415
Speaker 8: whatever reason, then you will need to contract an LBP

1087
01:02:17,015 --> 01:02:20,055
Speaker 8: to do it, to do the supervision.

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01:02:21,815 --> 01:02:24,415
Speaker 16: And what is the involvement in terms of I had

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01:02:24,415 --> 01:02:28,175
Speaker 16: it the plans all drawn up by a structural engineer, yep.

1090
01:02:29,215 --> 01:02:31,615
Speaker 16: What is their involvement in terms of the process.

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Speaker 8: It'll depend a little bit on the consent conditions, but

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01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:41,335
Speaker 8: chances are if there was specific engineering involved, the engineer

1093
01:02:41,375 --> 01:02:43,815
Speaker 8: will probably want to come out, for example, and have

1094
01:02:43,895 --> 01:02:46,935
Speaker 8: a look at the bearing of the hole you dig

1095
01:02:47,175 --> 01:02:49,455
Speaker 8: for the new post. I presume what you're doing is

1096
01:02:49,495 --> 01:02:53,455
Speaker 8: putting in a new post. If you're extending the span

1097
01:02:53,615 --> 01:02:56,095
Speaker 8: of the beam or the lintel that's supporting the deck,

1098
01:02:56,615 --> 01:02:58,415
Speaker 8: they may want to come and have a look at

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01:02:58,455 --> 01:03:00,295
Speaker 8: that to make sure that it's the right one. So

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01:03:00,415 --> 01:03:03,455
Speaker 8: typically they would have done a PS one for the

1101
01:03:03,535 --> 01:03:08,215
Speaker 8: design produce a statement, and then to close off the

1102
01:03:08,335 --> 01:03:10,815
Speaker 8: work from the engineer's point of view, they will offer

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01:03:10,975 --> 01:03:14,295
Speaker 8: up a PS four after they've inspected the work to

1104
01:03:14,375 --> 01:03:17,335
Speaker 8: go actually you have done it correctly. So for example,

1105
01:03:17,375 --> 01:03:20,495
Speaker 8: if I don't know, let's say it's a double three

1106
01:03:20,575 --> 01:03:23,415
Speaker 8: hundred by fifty is the new lintel, but they were

1107
01:03:23,735 --> 01:03:26,495
Speaker 8: short on that down the road, and your builder picked

1108
01:03:26,575 --> 01:03:29,375
Speaker 8: up two two fifties and put them in instead, and

1109
01:03:29,455 --> 01:03:31,575
Speaker 8: when she'll be right, the engineer should pick that up,

1110
01:03:31,615 --> 01:03:35,135
Speaker 8: and so should the council inspector. So I would say

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01:03:35,175 --> 01:03:38,535
Speaker 8: that your first inspection is likely to be when the

1112
01:03:38,655 --> 01:03:43,535
Speaker 8: whole is dug for the new post, and council will

1113
01:03:43,575 --> 01:03:48,415
Speaker 8: need to inspect that, and then your engineer most likely

1114
01:03:48,535 --> 01:03:50,095
Speaker 8: will want to have a look at that as well,

1115
01:03:51,175 --> 01:03:54,615
Speaker 8: which I know sounds like a lot of work, but yeah, I.

1116
01:03:55,135 --> 01:03:59,335
Speaker 16: Want it done properly. Yeah yeah, so okay, no, that's great.

1117
01:03:59,415 --> 01:04:01,615
Speaker 8: And then there's things like you know, like counsel will

1118
01:04:01,655 --> 01:04:06,655
Speaker 8: probably want to keep the receipt for the concrete because

1119
01:04:06,775 --> 01:04:10,615
Speaker 8: if again, if for example, its specified as twenty MPa,

1120
01:04:12,695 --> 01:04:15,295
Speaker 8: which is the strength of the concrete and a particular

1121
01:04:15,415 --> 01:04:18,015
Speaker 8: type of mix, they'll they'll want proof that that's the

1122
01:04:18,135 --> 01:04:19,015
Speaker 8: concrete that went in.

1123
01:04:20,855 --> 01:04:24,015
Speaker 16: Right, okay, these sorts of things in terms of right.

1124
01:04:24,175 --> 01:04:28,335
Speaker 16: In terms of the LBP, he will actually sign that,

1125
01:04:29,175 --> 01:04:31,295
Speaker 16: he will supervise it and sign that work off.

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01:04:31,855 --> 01:04:34,935
Speaker 8: The LBP would will need to give a record of

1127
01:04:34,975 --> 01:04:38,415
Speaker 8: work at the end of the job, so they'll and

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01:04:38,975 --> 01:04:42,735
Speaker 8: and they'll just say if for example, they only did

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01:04:42,775 --> 01:04:46,175
Speaker 8: the supervision, they'll just tick. There's a sort of a

1130
01:04:46,895 --> 01:04:49,575
Speaker 8: pro former type sheet that you can get and download

1131
01:04:49,615 --> 01:04:52,335
Speaker 8: it from the internet and go, you know, footings, tick

1132
01:04:52,695 --> 01:04:56,535
Speaker 8: and then supervised and then a brief description of what

1133
01:04:56,655 --> 01:05:00,255
Speaker 8: the work is. And you'll need that for the final inspection.

1134
01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:03,175
Speaker 8: You'll certainly need that, So i'd encourage you as soon

1135
01:05:03,215 --> 01:05:06,815
Speaker 8: as the job's finished, get the final inspection, get get

1136
01:05:06,855 --> 01:05:12,415
Speaker 8: that passed, and then submit for your CCC straightaway, just

1137
01:05:12,695 --> 01:05:13,895
Speaker 8: just to close the contract.

1138
01:05:15,095 --> 01:05:17,135
Speaker 16: The final inspection is done by the LBP.

1139
01:05:17,655 --> 01:05:20,295
Speaker 8: No final inspection will be done by the council. So

1140
01:05:20,415 --> 01:05:24,335
Speaker 8: the council will come along and when the job's done,

1141
01:05:24,655 --> 01:05:27,055
Speaker 8: they'll check things like the post and the beam and

1142
01:05:27,135 --> 01:05:28,775
Speaker 8: the connections and all the rest of it in any

1143
01:05:28,855 --> 01:05:33,175
Speaker 8: other consent conditions, and then if it's a pass on

1144
01:05:33,255 --> 01:05:37,575
Speaker 8: the final inspection, they'll they'll send you an email that

1145
01:05:37,655 --> 01:05:41,335
Speaker 8: says yep, final inspection done and then you submit for

1146
01:05:41,375 --> 01:05:44,215
Speaker 8: a CCC and that's your responsibility as the homeowner.

1147
01:05:45,495 --> 01:05:48,375
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, excellent, thank you very much.

1148
01:05:48,815 --> 01:05:52,175
Speaker 8: All I can say, and I've changed my opinion on

1149
01:05:52,295 --> 01:05:55,215
Speaker 8: this quite a bit over the years, is do the

1150
01:05:55,335 --> 01:05:58,655
Speaker 8: CCC as quickly as you can and get it out

1151
01:05:58,655 --> 01:06:01,695
Speaker 8: of the way, and don't put it in the in

1152
01:06:01,815 --> 01:06:03,695
Speaker 8: the drawer and go. I'll get round to that later on.

1153
01:06:03,935 --> 01:06:06,655
Speaker 8: Just crack and get it done and get it so off.

1154
01:06:06,815 --> 01:06:09,415
Speaker 8: All right, mate, all the best of you, take care.

1155
01:06:11,735 --> 01:06:15,575
Speaker 8: And in that sense, I think some people last year

1156
01:06:15,575 --> 01:06:17,655
Speaker 8: on the show, people were talking about getting a letter

1157
01:06:17,855 --> 01:06:23,535
Speaker 8: from councils from the territorial authority after a final inspection

1158
01:06:23,655 --> 01:06:26,095
Speaker 8: saying you've got six weeks to do the CCC. And

1159
01:06:26,255 --> 01:06:30,055
Speaker 8: I went through and had I tried to find something

1160
01:06:30,295 --> 01:06:33,215
Speaker 8: in law that says that you need to do it

1161
01:06:33,295 --> 01:06:37,135
Speaker 8: within that period of time. I couldn't find anything. I'm

1162
01:06:37,175 --> 01:06:39,055
Speaker 8: happy to be corrected if there is.

1163
01:06:39,135 --> 01:06:40,575
Speaker 9: A requirement.

1164
01:06:42,295 --> 01:06:45,415
Speaker 8: In terms of a timeline, because the other issue is

1165
01:06:45,495 --> 01:06:48,855
Speaker 8: that if you don't do it and then I think

1166
01:06:48,975 --> 01:06:51,255
Speaker 8: after is it a year? I think it might be

1167
01:06:51,295 --> 01:06:55,815
Speaker 8: a year after the final inspection. You can't submit without

1168
01:06:55,935 --> 01:06:58,655
Speaker 8: doing another final inspection, which opens you up to the

1169
01:06:58,695 --> 01:07:04,935
Speaker 8: possibility that something else will be found. I know complicated.

1170
01:07:05,015 --> 01:07:07,775
Speaker 8: A seven eight Here at US talk C B eight

1171
01:07:07,895 --> 01:07:11,455
Speaker 8: hundred eighty is the number to call. We'll talked to Charlotte.

1172
01:07:12,015 --> 01:07:12,855
Speaker 8: Hello Charlotte.

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01:07:13,895 --> 01:07:16,895
Speaker 14: Oh Hi, good morning, Pete, thanks so much. Good morning.

1174
01:07:17,535 --> 01:07:22,015
Speaker 14: I'm in Auckland and I have a question please about

1175
01:07:23,175 --> 01:07:27,295
Speaker 14: whether a consent was required for a building was required

1176
01:07:27,335 --> 01:07:33,335
Speaker 14: for a garage conversion. So we bought the property that

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01:07:33,375 --> 01:07:37,175
Speaker 14: were in in Red March, and there have been a

1178
01:07:37,255 --> 01:07:42,735
Speaker 14: number of repairs, including a large deck that they get

1179
01:07:42,815 --> 01:07:47,015
Speaker 14: a building consent, and it was also a garage conversion.

1180
01:07:47,495 --> 01:07:52,975
Speaker 14: Now they had taken out the garage door and replaced

1181
01:07:53,015 --> 01:07:56,615
Speaker 14: it with a wall and window, and on the side

1182
01:07:56,695 --> 01:07:59,575
Speaker 14: the wall that faces out into the garden, they'd taken

1183
01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:04,335
Speaker 14: that window out and put in double bifol doors and

1184
01:08:04,575 --> 01:08:08,575
Speaker 14: there's garage carpet in there. And it was advertised as

1185
01:08:09,615 --> 01:08:14,695
Speaker 14: possible teenage hangout or a place for an office, but

1186
01:08:15,135 --> 01:08:19,735
Speaker 14: in their photographs and also in the open home inspections,

1187
01:08:20,415 --> 01:08:23,495
Speaker 14: it was dressed as a bedroom with a very nice bed,

1188
01:08:23,935 --> 01:08:27,855
Speaker 14: bedside table. Pictures on the wall, and so on three

1189
01:08:27,935 --> 01:08:33,335
Speaker 14: weeks after we moved in, it flooded, flooded quite badly.

1190
01:08:33,495 --> 01:08:36,935
Speaker 14: It was during the over easter. There was a lot

1191
01:08:36,975 --> 01:08:41,015
Speaker 14: of rain in Auckland, and when the remediators came and

1192
01:08:41,215 --> 01:08:44,695
Speaker 14: cut out the wall, they said, wow, that wall where

1193
01:08:44,775 --> 01:08:50,135
Speaker 14: the garage door would have been has no waterproofing in

1194
01:08:50,255 --> 01:08:52,855
Speaker 14: it at all. So the water, instead of going into

1195
01:08:52,935 --> 01:08:57,295
Speaker 14: the little drain and drain grill, just went straight through

1196
01:08:57,535 --> 01:09:02,775
Speaker 14: into the property. So I'm just working on sorting things

1197
01:09:02,815 --> 01:09:07,295
Speaker 14: out at the moment, and I am hoping that I

1198
01:09:07,495 --> 01:09:12,695
Speaker 14: can get the vendor to a for the repairs, because

1199
01:09:13,535 --> 01:09:16,855
Speaker 14: I just got quite a hefty quote here that says

1200
01:09:16,975 --> 01:09:20,975
Speaker 14: that wall has to come out the completely changed before

1201
01:09:21,015 --> 01:09:24,295
Speaker 14: we can go ahead and get the insurance work done.

1202
01:09:24,935 --> 01:09:28,015
Speaker 14: And I just wondered you had any opinions on that.

1203
01:09:29,775 --> 01:09:31,615
Speaker 9: Funnily enough, I do so.

1204
01:09:32,775 --> 01:09:33,215
Speaker 13: I think.

1205
01:09:35,255 --> 01:09:37,335
Speaker 8: So you purchased this house how long ago.

1206
01:09:39,215 --> 01:09:42,855
Speaker 14: Moved in three weeks for the flooding in late.

1207
01:09:42,815 --> 01:09:45,415
Speaker 13: March three.

1208
01:09:48,615 --> 01:09:53,615
Speaker 8: This year, Okay, and did the was the vendor the

1209
01:09:53,735 --> 01:09:57,095
Speaker 8: person who did the change of use for the garage,

1210
01:09:57,655 --> 01:10:00,775
Speaker 8: like converted it from a garage to habitable space. Yes,

1211
01:10:03,215 --> 01:10:07,655
Speaker 8: And that wasn't declared on the sale and purchase agreement.

1212
01:10:09,775 --> 01:10:12,295
Speaker 14: You mean as a as a consented change.

1213
01:10:12,855 --> 01:10:14,015
Speaker 9: Well, was it consented?

1214
01:10:15,415 --> 01:10:19,135
Speaker 14: No, there was no there. As I say, they did

1215
01:10:19,215 --> 01:10:23,375
Speaker 14: get a building consent. I've got all the property papers

1216
01:10:23,415 --> 01:10:26,295
Speaker 14: from council and obviously a live report, and there is

1217
01:10:26,535 --> 01:10:31,415
Speaker 14: a building consent for the for the deck that they built,

1218
01:10:32,455 --> 01:10:36,175
Speaker 14: but nothing for the garage. Now, the real estate agent

1219
01:10:37,335 --> 01:10:41,695
Speaker 14: told me that they had been told by the vendor

1220
01:10:42,135 --> 01:10:43,015
Speaker 14: that the consent.

1221
01:10:42,935 --> 01:10:43,735
Speaker 13: Was not needed.

1222
01:10:46,735 --> 01:10:54,335
Speaker 14: Uhhh no, absolutely not. I've actually got that in a

1223
01:10:54,455 --> 01:10:57,095
Speaker 14: in a text from the real Well, I'd hold on

1224
01:10:57,255 --> 01:11:01,455
Speaker 14: to that flooding and said, look this has happened, and

1225
01:11:01,895 --> 01:11:06,135
Speaker 14: he said, because well, yeah, that's basically what he said.

1226
01:11:06,615 --> 01:11:18,655
Speaker 8: Okay, I guess where I'm slightly flabbergasted is that, you know,

1227
01:11:18,735 --> 01:11:22,495
Speaker 8: I don't know any I don't know any professional who

1228
01:11:23,055 --> 01:11:25,695
Speaker 8: would say you don't need a consent for a change

1229
01:11:25,735 --> 01:11:26,095
Speaker 8: of use.

1230
01:11:26,255 --> 01:11:28,055
Speaker 9: Right, we all know, right.

1231
01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:32,375
Speaker 8: I would have expected more from the real estate agent

1232
01:11:32,655 --> 01:11:36,175
Speaker 8: in terms of they should know that. It's pretty basic

1233
01:11:37,015 --> 01:11:41,295
Speaker 8: building knowledge. So I would hang on to that text

1234
01:11:41,455 --> 01:11:48,095
Speaker 8: because you might need that in evidence. And yeah, look

1235
01:11:48,975 --> 01:11:50,655
Speaker 8: if the work was if it was a garage and

1236
01:11:50,735 --> 01:11:53,495
Speaker 8: it was converted and it's now a habitable space, and

1237
01:11:53,615 --> 01:11:58,575
Speaker 8: it was sold as a habitable space. Can I also

1238
01:11:59,295 --> 01:12:02,215
Speaker 8: very delicately asked, did you get a pre purchase inspection

1239
01:12:02,375 --> 01:12:03,655
Speaker 8: before settling on the property.

1240
01:12:04,815 --> 01:12:10,895
Speaker 14: Interestingly enough that there were no comments made on that space,

1241
01:12:11,335 --> 01:12:15,975
Speaker 14: But he in his report he thought it was a bedroom.

1242
01:12:16,935 --> 01:12:21,095
Speaker 14: He reported the property as a four bedroom rather than

1243
01:12:21,135 --> 01:12:25,055
Speaker 14: a three bedroom space, so he actually.

1244
01:12:25,055 --> 01:12:27,975
Speaker 8: This was on the pre purchase report. So the person

1245
01:12:28,295 --> 01:12:31,535
Speaker 8: undertaking the pre purchase report on your behalf, which you've

1246
01:12:31,575 --> 01:12:36,775
Speaker 8: paid for, didn't raise a question about has this got

1247
01:12:36,815 --> 01:12:41,215
Speaker 8: a building consent? No, he didn't to be Look, I'll

1248
01:12:41,295 --> 01:12:47,215
Speaker 8: be really honest. That's really poor, right, So I think

1249
01:12:47,335 --> 01:12:53,295
Speaker 8: that again, you know, a reasonable level of diligence or

1250
01:12:53,455 --> 01:12:58,135
Speaker 8: knowledge would say that someone undertaking pre purchase reports as

1251
01:12:58,215 --> 01:13:03,135
Speaker 8: a business should have highlighted to you, Hey, you know

1252
01:13:03,975 --> 01:13:07,095
Speaker 8: because on the original building plans it might be still

1253
01:13:07,135 --> 01:13:09,815
Speaker 8: at council, it'll show the house and a garage, right,

1254
01:13:09,895 --> 01:13:12,815
Speaker 8: and what you've got now is a house without that

1255
01:13:12,975 --> 01:13:15,055
Speaker 8: garage and with an extra bedroom.

1256
01:13:15,455 --> 01:13:21,295
Speaker 14: So that with respace. And the argument was, yes, it

1257
01:13:21,695 --> 01:13:27,735
Speaker 14: was advertised with a bet edit, but that it wasn't

1258
01:13:28,215 --> 01:13:32,535
Speaker 14: necessarily because it had garage. It now has garage carpet

1259
01:13:32,615 --> 01:13:34,895
Speaker 14: on it, that maybe it's just like a man cave

1260
01:13:35,175 --> 01:13:39,055
Speaker 14: or something like that, and therefore didn't need a building consent.

1261
01:13:40,335 --> 01:13:42,535
Speaker 8: It absolutely needs a building consent.

1262
01:13:43,095 --> 01:13:45,375
Speaker 14: Right, all right, that's really interesting.

1263
01:13:47,015 --> 01:13:47,815
Speaker 9: In my opinion.

1264
01:13:47,975 --> 01:13:49,575
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm happy to be challenged on it, but

1265
01:13:49,655 --> 01:13:52,535
Speaker 8: in my opinion it would have done. If I was

1266
01:13:52,575 --> 01:13:55,255
Speaker 8: acting for you, I would probably say to you, we

1267
01:13:55,375 --> 01:13:57,535
Speaker 8: need to do more research on that. Go and get

1268
01:13:57,575 --> 01:14:00,015
Speaker 8: the property file, find out and find out whether there

1269
01:14:00,095 --> 01:14:07,135
Speaker 8: was a building consent for this. Otherwise, Yeah, have you

1270
01:14:07,295 --> 01:14:10,695
Speaker 8: had any discussions with your lawyers about who you might

1271
01:14:10,815 --> 01:14:11,935
Speaker 8: take action against?

1272
01:14:13,215 --> 01:14:15,495
Speaker 13: I am about to.

1273
01:14:15,575 --> 01:14:19,175
Speaker 14: Do that actually over this weekend. And now that I've

1274
01:14:19,215 --> 01:14:21,815
Speaker 14: got this body of knowledge and just listening to you

1275
01:14:21,895 --> 01:14:25,375
Speaker 14: this morning, I thought I would, yeah, get you call,

1276
01:14:25,495 --> 01:14:27,935
Speaker 14: because I was starting to feel very strongly that I

1277
01:14:28,095 --> 01:14:28,575
Speaker 14: needed one.

1278
01:14:28,655 --> 01:14:29,935
Speaker 13: But of course, you can start to.

1279
01:14:29,935 --> 01:14:32,895
Speaker 14: Get quite subjective about these things, so I thought it

1280
01:14:33,055 --> 01:14:35,175
Speaker 14: could be useful just to hear your point of view.

1281
01:14:35,495 --> 01:14:38,295
Speaker 8: I tell you what, just as a as a sort

1282
01:14:38,295 --> 01:14:41,695
Speaker 8: of an interesting exercise on your and I might do

1283
01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:45,615
Speaker 8: the same. There's a if you go to the MBI website,

1284
01:14:45,655 --> 01:14:46,695
Speaker 8: there's can I build it?

1285
01:14:46,855 --> 01:14:47,015
Speaker 4: Right?

1286
01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:51,895
Speaker 8: And it's like a flow chart thing. Yes, no, yes, snow, ye, snow.

1287
01:14:52,415 --> 01:14:55,055
Speaker 8: So you could you could go find that online type

1288
01:14:55,135 --> 01:14:59,295
Speaker 8: in converting a garage to a bedroom and see whether

1289
01:14:59,375 --> 01:15:01,415
Speaker 8: it tells you to have a building consent. That's that's

1290
01:15:01,455 --> 01:15:03,415
Speaker 8: how straightforward it is. I'm going to do that during

1291
01:15:03,455 --> 01:15:08,055
Speaker 8: the break as well. But in my opinion, I think

1292
01:15:08,175 --> 01:15:11,015
Speaker 8: that it needed a building consent. And part of the

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Speaker 8: reason is that the building consent would have picked up

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Speaker 8: things like how easy is it for this building to flood? Right,

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Speaker 8: so what is the floor level, what's the drainage, what's

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Speaker 8: the waterproofing around it, like etcetera, etcetera, And those sorts

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Speaker 8: of things would have been picked up in the building consent,

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Speaker 8: and it's less likely that would have flooded. Lots of

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Speaker 8: places that had building consents still flooded during those floods,

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Speaker 8: so you know, it's not a guarantee that it won't flood,

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Speaker 8: but it will certainly help you. So look in my opinion,

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Speaker 8: and to be fair, and someone just text this as well.

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Speaker 8: A little bit surprised that your lawyer didn't pick it

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01:15:49,455 --> 01:15:54,535
Speaker 8: up as well, yes, which is a bit challenging. So

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01:15:54,735 --> 01:15:59,455
Speaker 8: right now you've got the vendor who possibly has been deceptive,

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01:15:59,855 --> 01:16:05,055
Speaker 8: the agent who's been not particularly well informed, a pre

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01:16:05,175 --> 01:16:09,295
Speaker 8: purchased inspection person who has let you down, I think,

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01:16:09,615 --> 01:16:12,015
Speaker 8: and and potentially a lawyer who should have picked that

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Speaker 8: up as well in doing the due diligence.

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Speaker 13: All right, I really appreciate your Sorry, it's.

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Speaker 8: Not great news, but help me make this one hundred percent.

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01:16:26,255 --> 01:16:30,095
Speaker 8: Please let us know how you get on. Take care

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01:16:30,255 --> 01:16:33,095
Speaker 8: all the very best you, Charlotte, take care byeey right.

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Speaker 8: We'll be back after the break with Winston. If you

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Speaker 8: have got a question of a building nature, Oh eight

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01:16:37,335 --> 01:16:39,255
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice God was, but maybe call Pete first your

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Speaker 1: WorkCare the resident builder news talks they'd be today.

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Speaker 8: I'm talking with Murray Knight, managing director of Polymer's International,

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01:16:51,855 --> 01:16:54,895
Speaker 8: and we're talking about in Juris. Good morning, Murray, tell

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01:16:54,975 --> 01:16:56,175
Speaker 8: us what is in Juris?

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Speaker 18: Good morning? Peaks Well in Juris is one hundred percent

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Speaker 18: silicon rooft coating designed to restore water tightness to a

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Speaker 18: wide variety of existing route types. It forms a monolithic

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01:17:09,375 --> 01:17:13,135
Speaker 18: and seamless membrane, stopping leaks and helps extend the life

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Speaker 18: of a roof. It has been used extensively for over

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Speaker 18: fifty years in other markets and we have been promoting

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Speaker 18: the in Juris in the New Zealand market for the

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Speaker 18: past two years.

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Speaker 8: So Mary tell us what the key benefits are.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 18: Our view is why replacement you can restore and the

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Speaker 18: Injuris has many benefits. So I'll just run a few through.

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Speaker 18: A few of the key one. In Jurists you can

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Speaker 18: apply as a single coat. It cures quickly to form

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Speaker 18: a durable, seamless water type membrane that is breathable, waterproof,

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Speaker 18: and permanently flexible. It is UV stable and maintained its

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Speaker 18: elasticity for decades following the correct surface preparation. In Juris

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Speaker 18: will provide excellent adhesion to a wide variety of very substrates,

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Speaker 18: including metal, single ply membranes such as beauty old, concrete, asbestos,

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Speaker 18: flame on, bitumen, you name it. Really it's also really

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01:18:03,575 --> 01:18:05,935
Speaker 18: easy to apply. You can use either a long map,

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01:18:06,855 --> 01:18:10,575
Speaker 18: microfiber rolla or brush or if it's a large job

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Speaker 18: that's spray it on. It's also really easy to use.

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Speaker 18: You use it straight from the pale, no mixing required.

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Speaker 18: And it's rain proof in thirty minutes. It's great for

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01:18:20,055 --> 01:18:22,815
Speaker 18: climates that we have here in Auckland. If you have

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Speaker 18: a flat roof, it's great for that as well because

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Speaker 18: it's unaffected by standing water. In Jurius is a fast,

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Speaker 18: efficient and economical solution. So if you're looking for a

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Speaker 18: sustainable roofing solution that is environmentally responsible, it's a great

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01:18:38,335 --> 01:18:42,415
Speaker 18: option to consider colors. The lyfl two colors that's the

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Speaker 18: mid gray and white, and the white can be used

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Speaker 18: if you're looking for a cool roof as it meets

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Speaker 18: their reflective index rating required to be classified as core roofing.

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Speaker 8: A that's some really helpful information. Now, if people want

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Speaker 8: to buy Injurius, where.

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Speaker 4: Do they go?

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Speaker 18: Well, you can visit our distributor, Shellcoat New Zealand Limited.

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Speaker 18: They are at seven Woodson Place, Wira Valley, or give

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Speaker 18: them a call on eight Hunger one two three nine hundred. Well,

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Speaker 18: if you want more information, you can just visit the

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Speaker 18: website silicon for Building dot com.

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Speaker 8: And Marie, thanks for dropping a bucket out to me.

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01:19:19,735 --> 01:19:20,375
Speaker 9: I've put it on.

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Speaker 8: It's a small roof. I need to extend its life

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01:19:22,695 --> 01:19:25,175
Speaker 8: for a bit and so far no leaks.

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Speaker 9: Really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, Murray.

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Speaker 18: Jeers, Thanks Bick news Dogs that'd be.

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Speaker 8: I had a look on the Can I Build a

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Speaker 8: website and it doesn't actually have any specific information there

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01:19:37,895 --> 01:19:41,735
Speaker 8: about conversions. But interestingly enough, I'm reading an extract from

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01:19:41,855 --> 01:19:46,695
Speaker 8: the Auckland Council website converting non habitable spaces to habitable Spaces.

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Speaker 8: The purpose of this practice note is to describe how

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01:19:49,655 --> 01:19:53,135
Speaker 8: residential building can sent applications involving the conversion of non

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01:19:53,255 --> 01:19:57,815
Speaker 8: habitable spaces to a habitable space should be assessed for compliance.

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Speaker 8: This is for single household residential dwellings where people live

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Speaker 8: as a single household or family. Does not apply to

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01:20:08,455 --> 01:20:13,055
Speaker 8: the creation of new separate residential places within an existing building.

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Speaker 8: And it goes on to actually say there is not

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01:20:16,975 --> 01:20:20,815
Speaker 8: actually a change of use requirement here, but it does

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01:20:20,895 --> 01:20:23,455
Speaker 8: go on to talk about building code requirements, and I

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01:20:23,535 --> 01:20:25,855
Speaker 8: hope more of a look on that. That's going to

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01:20:25,895 --> 01:20:28,695
Speaker 8: be particularly relevant to Charlotte As to whether or not

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01:20:28,815 --> 01:20:31,295
Speaker 8: the work needed a building consent. My sense is that

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Speaker 8: it really should have got a building consent.

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Speaker 9: Do we have time for.

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01:20:35,895 --> 01:20:41,375
Speaker 8: Winston like a minute, Let's see how we go Winston.

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Speaker 9: Very quick question from you, sir.

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Speaker 17: Okay, hi pety. I'm so I've got a walk in

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Speaker 17: hospital shower and I want to put a kryl uh

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Speaker 17: pod your place to go liner, Yes, on top of.

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01:20:55,615 --> 01:20:58,255
Speaker 8: It, yep, on top of it or sort of in

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01:20:58,415 --> 01:21:01,375
Speaker 8: the same place. So I'm in the same place.

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01:21:01,495 --> 01:21:01,695
Speaker 9: Yep.

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Speaker 17: I'm like, uh, you know, liveling self living concrete one plumber, Yeah,

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Speaker 17: extend the waist, can sell. It's a system drop. It's

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Speaker 17: like a wishing well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Sure, that sort of work because it's a pre formed

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01:21:17,655 --> 01:21:19,775
Speaker 8: shower tray, right, and I presume you're also going to

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01:21:19,815 --> 01:21:22,175
Speaker 8: have an acryltic liner, and then the doors are all

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01:21:22,215 --> 01:21:25,535
Speaker 8: part of the kit. Typically that work doesn't require a

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01:21:25,615 --> 01:21:29,935
Speaker 8: building consent, right, because the waterproofing is integral in the system.

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Speaker 8: Where people often get tripped up is going the other way.

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Speaker 8: Let's say, having a conventional shower and then wanting to

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Speaker 8: take that out and having a level entry tiled shower

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01:21:40,735 --> 01:21:44,015
Speaker 8: with waterproofing and so on, and that typically triggers a

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01:21:44,055 --> 01:21:46,775
Speaker 8: requirement for a building consent. So I think the fact

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Speaker 8: that you're going the other way means that you don't

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Speaker 8: have to worry too much about getting a consent.

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Speaker 17: For that, okay, And do you think the self leveling

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Speaker 17: conquer will bridge that it goes from nothing to system

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Speaker 17: milk the wasters can handle it, or does.

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Speaker 8: It You might have to do a couple of layers.

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Speaker 8: Just have a look at the actual speifications as to

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Speaker 8: how much depth you can do there. If it's on

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Speaker 8: a concrete floor, I'd probably feel quite confident about it.

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Speaker 8: If you're doing floor leveling compound on top of timber,

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Speaker 8: I'd say just frame it up and timber back.

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Speaker 9: After the news doing.

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Speaker 1: On the house storting the garden, asked Pete for a

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Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcab call oh eight

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01:22:25,455 --> 01:22:27,855
Speaker 1: eight news talks'bye news talks.

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Speaker 8: They'd be just gone seven minutes after eight. We are

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01:22:30,255 --> 01:22:32,935
Speaker 8: taking your calls on all things building right up till

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01:22:33,255 --> 01:22:36,215
Speaker 8: eight thirty this morning. Then we're going to jump into

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01:22:36,255 --> 01:22:38,855
Speaker 8: the garden with the climb past and talk all things

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Speaker 8: gardening and the wonderful world of bugs as well the

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01:22:42,455 --> 01:22:45,455
Speaker 8: other sort of there's all sorts of topics out there.

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Speaker 8: There's so much discussion in the public sphere, let's say,

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Speaker 8: around building and construction and energy efficiency and regulations and

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Speaker 8: so on.

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Speaker 9: At the moment that.

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Speaker 8: From time to time I just want to kind of

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Speaker 8: focus in on one or two of those issues that's

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Speaker 8: out there, and this was It's been a bit of

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Speaker 8: a pardoner the pun. It's been a bit of a

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01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:14,215
Speaker 8: hot topic over the summer about homeowners in fairly new

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01:23:14,495 --> 01:23:18,815
Speaker 8: townhouses reporting that you know, it's thirty odd degrees. There's

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01:23:18,815 --> 01:23:21,455
Speaker 8: a photograph on the article that I'm looking at at

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01:23:22,535 --> 01:23:26,975
Speaker 8: nine four minutes after nine in January in Auckland and

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01:23:27,095 --> 01:23:34,255
Speaker 8: it's thirty degrees inside somebody's bedroom. Now that's intolerable. Rights

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01:23:35,335 --> 01:23:39,335
Speaker 8: you can like warm, but that's crazy. And these new houses,

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01:23:39,535 --> 01:23:41,695
Speaker 8: so are they new houses that have got lots of

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01:23:41,735 --> 01:23:45,815
Speaker 8: insulation in them? Are they new houses that there's been

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01:23:45,975 --> 01:23:51,175
Speaker 8: sort of inadequate thought around heating and ventilation and overheating.

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01:23:51,655 --> 01:23:53,415
Speaker 8: So what's going on here? And to get a bit

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01:23:53,415 --> 01:23:56,615
Speaker 8: of an insight into this thought, I'd reach out to Storm,

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01:23:56,655 --> 01:23:59,815
Speaker 8: who has been on the show before, and we kind

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01:23:59,855 --> 01:24:02,695
Speaker 8: of bump into each other at different conferences around the place.

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01:24:02,775 --> 01:24:05,175
Speaker 8: Storm Harpen A very good morning.

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01:24:04,935 --> 01:24:06,895
Speaker 14: To you morning, Pet.

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01:24:06,935 --> 01:24:08,255
Speaker 1: How are you very well?

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Speaker 8: Now the term expert is bandied around a little bit

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01:24:12,335 --> 01:24:15,175
Speaker 8: too much, but I am quite happy to refer to

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01:24:15,255 --> 01:24:20,215
Speaker 8: you as a ventilation expert because I've seen the stuff

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01:24:20,255 --> 01:24:23,895
Speaker 8: that you write about and it's fantastic and it's well

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01:24:23,975 --> 01:24:28,295
Speaker 8: informed and well researched. So over the summer and it's

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01:24:28,335 --> 01:24:31,055
Speaker 8: been great. We've had a glorious, nice, hot summer in

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Speaker 8: Auckland anyway. But if you're sitting in a townhouse that's

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Speaker 8: relatively new and it's thirty degrees in your bedroom at

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01:24:37,895 --> 01:24:40,495
Speaker 8: nine o'clock at night, what do you think is happening?

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Speaker 7: Well, there's probably a few things happening there, and you've

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01:24:45,375 --> 01:24:48,855
Speaker 7: called out a couple of them already. Obviously we're concerned

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01:24:48,855 --> 01:24:52,695
Speaker 7: in these buls in particular. But what it really is

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01:24:53,095 --> 01:24:56,135
Speaker 7: is throughout the course of the day, we've put heat

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01:24:56,215 --> 01:24:59,655
Speaker 7: into the space, right, and that heat can come from

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01:24:59,935 --> 01:25:02,895
Speaker 7: multiple things. So the biggest one that we typically care

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01:25:02,975 --> 01:25:05,415
Speaker 7: heat coming into a home from is some coming in

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Speaker 7: from outside. And so the guys who are suffering the

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01:25:08,575 --> 01:25:12,935
Speaker 7: most typically have north and west spacing, big window, big

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01:25:12,975 --> 01:25:16,295
Speaker 7: glazing areas, and as that sun's coming in, it heats

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01:25:16,375 --> 01:25:18,815
Speaker 7: up the air. We also do things inside our house

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01:25:19,295 --> 01:25:25,095
Speaker 7: living cooking, because that actually we have temperature too. We're

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01:25:25,095 --> 01:25:28,295
Speaker 7: always letting off temperature so we're doing all of these

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01:25:28,375 --> 01:25:32,615
Speaker 7: different things as well as that sun Now, what there

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01:25:32,735 --> 01:25:35,855
Speaker 7: was a big concern about, in particular with newtownhouses is

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01:25:35,935 --> 01:25:38,215
Speaker 7: that we're now trapping some of that heat. And we

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01:25:38,295 --> 01:25:40,335
Speaker 7: have to be really careful when we talk about trapping

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01:25:40,415 --> 01:25:43,295
Speaker 7: heat because trapping heat is something we actually want to

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01:25:43,415 --> 01:25:47,015
Speaker 7: intentionally do when we get to winter, right, we want

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01:25:47,055 --> 01:25:50,615
Speaker 7: to keep that warmth in, and so we have well

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01:25:50,655 --> 01:25:54,175
Speaker 7: insulated spaces that keep heat in, but we want to

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01:25:54,215 --> 01:25:57,615
Speaker 7: do that essentially, but interestingly they also keep heat out.

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01:25:58,295 --> 01:26:01,935
Speaker 7: Now that's when you're bringing heat through the walls the windows.

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01:26:01,975 --> 01:26:04,415
Speaker 7: On the other hand, that's sold the game that's coming

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01:26:04,535 --> 01:26:07,935
Speaker 7: straight through the window, So you've got that sunlight coming

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01:26:07,975 --> 01:26:09,775
Speaker 7: and that's when you get that heat. So some of

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01:26:09,815 --> 01:26:12,935
Speaker 7: the things we need to do. The biggest one, first

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01:26:13,015 --> 01:26:15,935
Speaker 7: off is actually get some extra air coming in from

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01:26:15,935 --> 01:26:19,615
Speaker 7: outside because when outside is cooler than inside, that's when

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01:26:19,655 --> 01:26:24,215
Speaker 7: you can get something called free cooling. So that is

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01:26:24,255 --> 01:26:26,135
Speaker 7: the one that I think has been one of the

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01:26:26,175 --> 01:26:29,095
Speaker 7: biggest challenges is that we can no longer open our

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01:26:29,135 --> 01:26:33,295
Speaker 7: windows enough to provide submission ventilation to balance our house

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01:26:33,335 --> 01:26:33,935
Speaker 7: with outside.

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01:26:34,935 --> 01:26:36,535
Speaker 8: Can we just have a look at that, because I

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01:26:36,615 --> 01:26:41,415
Speaker 8: think This is one of the well unintended consequences of

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01:26:41,775 --> 01:26:45,295
Speaker 8: two parts of legislation. So typically, if you've got a

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01:26:45,695 --> 01:26:48,735
Speaker 8: habitable space like a bedroom, there's a requirement that five

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01:26:48,855 --> 01:26:52,575
Speaker 8: percent you calculate five percent of the floor space has

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01:26:52,695 --> 01:26:57,415
Speaker 8: to be an opening window. Right, So you take that space,

1504
01:26:57,535 --> 01:27:00,895
Speaker 8: you create a window. For argument's sake, that's a meter biometer,

1505
01:27:01,375 --> 01:27:05,455
Speaker 8: the assumption being that you can open it, yes, and

1506
01:27:05,655 --> 01:27:09,655
Speaker 8: have a met biometer of ventilation coming into that space,

1507
01:27:10,215 --> 01:27:12,895
Speaker 8: until you realize that actually you can fall further than

1508
01:27:12,975 --> 01:27:15,855
Speaker 8: a meter or it's a certain distance off the ground,

1509
01:27:16,295 --> 01:27:18,335
Speaker 8: and then you have to put a restricted stay on it,

1510
01:27:18,495 --> 01:27:20,895
Speaker 8: which means it can only open a maximum of one

1511
01:27:20,975 --> 01:27:26,495
Speaker 8: hundred millimeters. So how these two parts of legislation are

1512
01:27:26,535 --> 01:27:27,615
Speaker 8: fighting each other, aren't they?

1513
01:27:28,575 --> 01:27:29,135
Speaker 14: Yeah, they are.

1514
01:27:29,575 --> 01:27:32,095
Speaker 7: You've got you've got two parts of code there, you've

1515
01:27:32,175 --> 01:27:36,535
Speaker 7: got that, you've almost got three. The openable element and

1516
01:27:36,655 --> 01:27:40,295
Speaker 7: the sizing of your window is influenced by the ventilation

1517
01:27:40,495 --> 01:27:43,495
Speaker 7: and the daylighting code. So the daylighting code says you

1518
01:27:43,575 --> 01:27:45,575
Speaker 7: need this much light and a habitable space.

1519
01:27:45,775 --> 01:27:45,895
Speaker 6: Yes.

1520
01:27:45,975 --> 01:27:49,175
Speaker 7: The ventilation code says you need to open the windows,

1521
01:27:49,535 --> 01:27:52,535
Speaker 7: So you need to have a net openable area. That's

1522
01:27:52,615 --> 01:27:55,695
Speaker 7: the phrase. So it's the overall dimension, as you explained,

1523
01:27:55,855 --> 01:27:58,575
Speaker 7: one meter by one meter net openable area of five percent.

1524
01:27:59,015 --> 01:28:01,575
Speaker 7: But then you think about the types of windows we're using.

1525
01:28:02,015 --> 01:28:04,655
Speaker 7: We've got these awning windows that just open up at

1526
01:28:04,695 --> 01:28:08,655
Speaker 7: the bottom and so that themselves creates blockage of air

1527
01:28:08,735 --> 01:28:12,335
Speaker 7: coming in. You think of winds hitting that face of

1528
01:28:12,375 --> 01:28:14,735
Speaker 7: the building, the awning windows, one that you know swings

1529
01:28:14,775 --> 01:28:18,935
Speaker 7: out from the bottom and so that opens up the

1530
01:28:18,975 --> 01:28:21,095
Speaker 7: winds hitting that. And then as you said, you put

1531
01:28:21,095 --> 01:28:23,495
Speaker 7: those security stays on, and that's over in safety from

1532
01:28:23,535 --> 01:28:27,935
Speaker 7: fall length. It's technically in code part IF four, and

1533
01:28:28,655 --> 01:28:32,375
Speaker 7: that is looking at looking after our children. Really basically

1534
01:28:32,455 --> 01:28:34,655
Speaker 7: they want to make sure no kids can climb on

1535
01:28:34,735 --> 01:28:38,935
Speaker 7: anything inside, climb up to a window and essentially fall out.

1536
01:28:39,055 --> 01:28:42,215
Speaker 7: So that's where that one hundred milimeter comes from. And

1537
01:28:44,015 --> 01:28:47,055
Speaker 7: as you think about a townhouse and about our windows,

1538
01:28:47,135 --> 01:28:50,895
Speaker 7: obviously sliding glass doors on the loft floor, fine, anything

1539
01:28:50,975 --> 01:28:54,695
Speaker 7: on the upper story two point five meters up already, right,

1540
01:28:55,255 --> 01:28:57,895
Speaker 7: So that's all everything in your top story pretty much

1541
01:28:57,935 --> 01:29:02,055
Speaker 7: has to have a stay. There's an ability to climb

1542
01:29:02,175 --> 01:29:06,895
Speaker 7: up to that window inside anywhere that internal law area

1543
01:29:07,255 --> 01:29:11,895
Speaker 7: or if you have fair toilet below window right, then

1544
01:29:11,975 --> 01:29:14,415
Speaker 7: you also have to be with it in over seven

1545
01:29:14,495 --> 01:29:20,535
Speaker 7: hundred miles above that climbing element inside. Yes, So basically,

1546
01:29:20,655 --> 01:29:23,095
Speaker 7: what we've done, and it's an adjustment that the window

1547
01:29:23,295 --> 01:29:26,455
Speaker 7: manufacturers have done really sensibly, is most of the windows

1548
01:29:26,535 --> 01:29:30,975
Speaker 7: now come with security stays right, and the other layer

1549
01:29:31,015 --> 01:29:33,655
Speaker 7: of that is security itself on the left ground floor.

1550
01:29:33,775 --> 01:29:37,055
Speaker 7: We don't like leaving windows unlocked or unlatched, so we've

1551
01:29:37,095 --> 01:29:40,495
Speaker 7: got security staves downstairs too. So you've now got these

1552
01:29:40,495 --> 01:29:44,775
Speaker 7: windows that meant to be opening the full area theoretically

1553
01:29:44,975 --> 01:29:49,055
Speaker 7: by what we're calculating. Then we're gone, okay, the warning

1554
01:29:49,095 --> 01:29:51,135
Speaker 7: windows are opening left, and then we've restricted them down

1555
01:29:51,175 --> 01:29:56,015
Speaker 7: to one hundred miles. It's probably coming down to ten

1556
01:29:56,495 --> 01:29:59,055
Speaker 7: percent of the total area that you could have had opened.

1557
01:30:00,175 --> 01:30:01,415
Speaker 7: You just can't find its.

1558
01:30:01,295 --> 01:30:08,855
Speaker 14: Way in right right. The other yeah, I was gonna say, the.

1559
01:30:08,895 --> 01:30:11,535
Speaker 7: Other challenge is that we're also limiting the number of

1560
01:30:11,615 --> 01:30:15,775
Speaker 7: faces those windows are on, so townhouses and apartments in

1561
01:30:15,855 --> 01:30:20,655
Speaker 7: particular only have those windows on one face. And I've

1562
01:30:20,735 --> 01:30:24,295
Speaker 7: got this phrase that I've been using recently that I

1563
01:30:24,415 --> 01:30:26,615
Speaker 7: think is quite apt, and that's the air is lazy

1564
01:30:26,695 --> 01:30:29,735
Speaker 7: and shy, So as soon as air ends a space,

1565
01:30:29,815 --> 01:30:32,335
Speaker 7: it wants to find the quickest, easiest way back out

1566
01:30:32,375 --> 01:30:35,415
Speaker 7: of the house. And so if it does manage to

1567
01:30:35,455 --> 01:30:39,175
Speaker 7: get into the house, it wants to turn around and

1568
01:30:39,295 --> 01:30:42,975
Speaker 7: head straight back out. Now it needs a pathway through

1569
01:30:43,015 --> 01:30:44,455
Speaker 7: the house to get out. As you think about a

1570
01:30:44,535 --> 01:30:47,135
Speaker 7: townhouse with windows on the front and the back. Yeah,

1571
01:30:47,255 --> 01:30:50,095
Speaker 7: and you've shut your internal doors. We're asking air to

1572
01:30:50,215 --> 01:30:52,455
Speaker 7: come in, do a little dance in the room, and

1573
01:30:52,535 --> 01:30:54,975
Speaker 7: turn around and go back out the crowded entrance.

1574
01:30:54,735 --> 01:30:55,455
Speaker 14: That it just came in.

1575
01:30:56,935 --> 01:30:58,775
Speaker 8: Yea, yeah, yeah, that's a great paturechally.

1576
01:31:00,135 --> 01:31:02,695
Speaker 7: So we need that pathway for it to come in

1577
01:31:02,775 --> 01:31:04,815
Speaker 7: one side where the wind's setting it on that side.

1578
01:31:04,815 --> 01:31:07,335
Speaker 7: It comes in that side, that realizes a whole lot

1579
01:31:07,375 --> 01:31:09,095
Speaker 7: of people in behind it, and it wants to get out,

1580
01:31:09,415 --> 01:31:11,135
Speaker 7: and it wants to rush through to the other side

1581
01:31:11,135 --> 01:31:13,495
Speaker 7: of the building. So we actually need windows open on

1582
01:31:13,655 --> 01:31:17,015
Speaker 7: both sides of our houses for any chance of their

1583
01:31:17,095 --> 01:31:18,175
Speaker 7: air to pass through.

1584
01:31:19,455 --> 01:31:23,295
Speaker 8: In terms of design, I think I think it's reasonable

1585
01:31:23,375 --> 01:31:27,095
Speaker 8: to be critical of some designers who pay no attention

1586
01:31:27,375 --> 01:31:32,375
Speaker 8: to shading and sunlight angles and those sorts of things,

1587
01:31:32,455 --> 01:31:37,135
Speaker 8: and effectively buy their design create a situation where the

1588
01:31:37,215 --> 01:31:39,735
Speaker 8: temperature is going to be intolerable in that room so

1589
01:31:39,935 --> 01:31:44,935
Speaker 8: big northwest facing glazing with no overhang, so in the

1590
01:31:44,975 --> 01:31:48,455
Speaker 8: middle of summer, it's going to cook in there. And

1591
01:31:48,735 --> 01:31:52,295
Speaker 8: I think people need to start thinking critically about you know,

1592
01:31:52,535 --> 01:31:54,215
Speaker 8: if I'm going to buy this building, how is it

1593
01:31:54,295 --> 01:31:57,055
Speaker 8: going to perform in terms of shading and so on?

1594
01:31:57,575 --> 01:32:00,415
Speaker 8: But is there also part of it where as the

1595
01:32:00,535 --> 01:32:03,455
Speaker 8: occupants of the building, we don't know how to operate

1596
01:32:03,575 --> 01:32:06,375
Speaker 8: the building properly. So your example, for example, of a

1597
01:32:06,455 --> 01:32:08,975
Speaker 8: window open in a bedroom, but you close the door right,

1598
01:32:09,495 --> 01:32:12,815
Speaker 8: so there is no opportunity for ventilation, for cross ventilation

1599
01:32:13,015 --> 01:32:16,135
Speaker 8: in that building, even if it was designed to do that.

1600
01:32:16,535 --> 01:32:20,255
Speaker 8: We as the inhabitants, the operators of the machine, aren't

1601
01:32:21,015 --> 01:32:21,895
Speaker 8: aren't doing it properly.

1602
01:32:22,935 --> 01:32:26,535
Speaker 7: No, no, And actually operating a building is becoming more

1603
01:32:26,615 --> 01:32:30,175
Speaker 7: and more complex, and ventilation is probably one of those

1604
01:32:30,215 --> 01:32:34,975
Speaker 7: ones where we are most challenged. So windows are one thing,

1605
01:32:35,095 --> 01:32:37,175
Speaker 7: and that's all our code requires us to put in

1606
01:32:37,375 --> 01:32:40,415
Speaker 7: for fresh airs. We've got a few extra elements where

1607
01:32:40,535 --> 01:32:42,535
Speaker 7: if you can't open a window then it triggers a

1608
01:32:42,575 --> 01:32:46,535
Speaker 7: whole bunch of other rules. But if you have got

1609
01:32:46,575 --> 01:32:49,015
Speaker 7: openable windows the times you need to be opening them

1610
01:32:49,775 --> 01:32:53,095
Speaker 7: in the morning. It's overheating anyway, in the morning, when

1611
01:32:53,095 --> 01:32:55,575
Speaker 7: it's still nice and cool outside, give your house a

1612
01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:59,495
Speaker 7: pre burst. Open as many windows up throughout the house

1613
01:32:59,535 --> 01:33:02,815
Speaker 7: as you can. I'd even in some instances run you

1614
01:33:03,135 --> 01:33:05,615
Speaker 7: extractor fan. And what I'm doing there when I run

1615
01:33:05,695 --> 01:33:08,735
Speaker 7: my extractor fan, because I'm actually creating a pressured difference,

1616
01:33:09,015 --> 01:33:12,615
Speaker 7: so I'm creating a pull on the house. We now

1617
01:33:12,775 --> 01:33:15,095
Speaker 7: actively put in fans to help with that, and I'll

1618
01:33:15,095 --> 01:33:19,055
Speaker 7: talk to that in a moment. So you open all

1619
01:33:19,095 --> 01:33:21,015
Speaker 7: the windows up, and then as it gets hotter and

1620
01:33:21,095 --> 01:33:24,775
Speaker 7: hotter outside, you want to shut your windows. So as

1621
01:33:24,815 --> 01:33:26,535
Speaker 7: you get to the warmer part of the day and

1622
01:33:26,935 --> 01:33:30,175
Speaker 7: the temperature outside becomes higher than your house, you want

1623
01:33:30,215 --> 01:33:32,175
Speaker 7: to shut your windows because this is when your insulation

1624
01:33:32,295 --> 01:33:34,415
Speaker 7: is actually going to be helping you. So you shut

1625
01:33:34,455 --> 01:33:37,095
Speaker 7: your windows. You possibly even shut your curtains on the

1626
01:33:37,215 --> 01:33:40,655
Speaker 7: windows that are facing the sun. And if you've got

1627
01:33:40,735 --> 01:33:44,735
Speaker 7: external loovers that you can rotate, if the designer has

1628
01:33:44,775 --> 01:33:47,295
Speaker 7: put them in for you, you can block out their

1629
01:33:47,335 --> 01:33:49,255
Speaker 7: outside sun. So it's better to block the sun before

1630
01:33:49,295 --> 01:33:52,015
Speaker 7: it gets in through what we call your thermal enveloping,

1631
01:33:52,255 --> 01:33:56,415
Speaker 7: any lining that's scentulated, so anything you can rotate block

1632
01:33:56,975 --> 01:34:00,455
Speaker 7: do that then. And then as you get later in

1633
01:34:00,535 --> 01:34:03,935
Speaker 7: the day and that temperature outside falls again. Now I'm

1634
01:34:03,975 --> 01:34:05,935
Speaker 7: not worried about the sun. You keep blocking that as

1635
01:34:05,975 --> 01:34:08,215
Speaker 7: long as you can if you're worried about overheating. But

1636
01:34:08,495 --> 01:34:10,855
Speaker 7: there's a tempature outside falls, that's when you go back

1637
01:34:10,895 --> 01:34:15,215
Speaker 7: and you open all your things back up, maybe six

1638
01:34:15,335 --> 01:34:20,135
Speaker 7: pm five six pm in Auckland some parts to the south.

1639
01:34:20,255 --> 01:34:23,615
Speaker 7: I know that, say Dunedin stays bright and warm quite

1640
01:34:23,615 --> 01:34:26,095
Speaker 7: a lot later over the summer, longer days over summer,

1641
01:34:26,575 --> 01:34:30,055
Speaker 7: shorter days over winter, so they might leave it a

1642
01:34:30,095 --> 01:34:31,815
Speaker 7: little bit later in the day. But you're looking for

1643
01:34:31,935 --> 01:34:35,415
Speaker 7: when outside is now more comfortable than inside. If you've

1644
01:34:35,455 --> 01:34:37,975
Speaker 7: got shading right, you shouldn't actually need to worry. But

1645
01:34:38,095 --> 01:34:41,215
Speaker 7: if you haven't, that's when you open your windows back

1646
01:34:41,295 --> 01:34:43,255
Speaker 7: up again. And it would be running around making sure

1647
01:34:43,255 --> 01:34:45,655
Speaker 7: you've got it on opposite sides of the home to

1648
01:34:45,775 --> 01:34:49,015
Speaker 7: get that cross flow. And then then there is this

1649
01:34:49,135 --> 01:34:53,415
Speaker 7: pressure difference we can actually implement inside our home. Basically,

1650
01:34:53,855 --> 01:34:55,495
Speaker 7: it's a little bit like gravity.

1651
01:34:55,975 --> 01:34:56,135
Speaker 16: You know.

1652
01:34:56,215 --> 01:34:58,975
Speaker 7: It's that lazy ear. It's wants to roll downhill. So

1653
01:34:59,095 --> 01:35:02,775
Speaker 7: when if you've got a low pressure space, negative pressure

1654
01:35:03,015 --> 01:35:05,775
Speaker 7: basically like a vacuum cleaner, right, you create a low

1655
01:35:05,815 --> 01:35:09,775
Speaker 7: pressure using a vacuum sucks out of the space. So

1656
01:35:09,775 --> 01:35:11,935
Speaker 7: whever you've got a low pressure space, he is going

1657
01:35:12,015 --> 01:35:16,055
Speaker 7: to roll down hell towards that space. So we get

1658
01:35:16,135 --> 01:35:18,815
Speaker 7: high pressure spaces where wind hits one side of the building,

1659
01:35:18,895 --> 01:35:21,615
Speaker 7: it's pushing on the building, and we get low pressure

1660
01:35:21,655 --> 01:35:24,335
Speaker 7: zones on the opposite. Or if we have a bathroom

1661
01:35:24,375 --> 01:35:26,975
Speaker 7: fan as an example that's running and pulling air out

1662
01:35:27,015 --> 01:35:30,495
Speaker 7: of that bathroom, that can actually create that pressure difference,

1663
01:35:30,535 --> 01:35:32,575
Speaker 7: that low pressure zone to pull air through to it.

1664
01:35:33,055 --> 01:35:35,575
Speaker 7: And so we've got a lot of homes now you're

1665
01:35:35,575 --> 01:35:38,775
Speaker 7: starting to see something called continuous extract fans go in

1666
01:35:39,575 --> 01:35:42,095
Speaker 7: and those are really good because they create a continuous

1667
01:35:42,215 --> 01:35:44,975
Speaker 7: pressure difference to help pull the air through your house

1668
01:35:45,455 --> 01:35:47,935
Speaker 7: and in a direction we want it to, because we

1669
01:35:48,015 --> 01:35:51,655
Speaker 7: want to take anything out of our dirty spaces, our bathroom,

1670
01:35:51,935 --> 01:35:54,575
Speaker 7: our laundry, our kitchen, that's where we create most of

1671
01:35:54,655 --> 01:35:57,895
Speaker 7: our MUCKs. And then we want air to come back

1672
01:35:57,935 --> 01:35:59,935
Speaker 7: into our bedroom. So you've got a window open in

1673
01:35:59,975 --> 01:36:03,295
Speaker 7: the bedroom and a fan pulling air out of the room.

1674
01:36:04,495 --> 01:36:07,975
Speaker 7: That's where we create this wonderful goes in. Let's go

1675
01:36:08,055 --> 01:36:09,535
Speaker 7: over and behind it. It wants to get out of

1676
01:36:09,615 --> 01:36:12,055
Speaker 7: this space as fast as possible. It's lazy and shy,

1677
01:36:12,495 --> 01:36:14,095
Speaker 7: and it's saying, hey, come out here. This is the

1678
01:36:14,175 --> 01:36:16,935
Speaker 7: exit sign. The continuous extract fan is pulling her out

1679
01:36:16,935 --> 01:36:17,535
Speaker 7: of the bathroom.

1680
01:36:17,735 --> 01:36:22,095
Speaker 8: And those continuous extract fans, you know, like if I

1681
01:36:22,215 --> 01:36:24,175
Speaker 8: go into my bathroom and I turn the fan on,

1682
01:36:24,335 --> 01:36:26,055
Speaker 8: I can hear it right and it's, you know, it's

1683
01:36:26,135 --> 01:36:29,255
Speaker 8: it's doing its job. It's sucking all of that moisty

1684
01:36:29,255 --> 01:36:31,175
Speaker 8: are out of the bathroom because I've had a shower.

1685
01:36:32,695 --> 01:36:35,055
Speaker 8: But it's, you know, to be fair, it's it's a

1686
01:36:35,055 --> 01:36:37,815
Speaker 8: little bit noisy. I can hear it running and that.

1687
01:36:37,895 --> 01:36:38,295
Speaker 9: Sort of thing.

1688
01:36:38,575 --> 01:36:40,695
Speaker 8: So it's working, but it's not the sort of thing

1689
01:36:40,735 --> 01:36:43,215
Speaker 8: that i'd want on all of the time. I think

1690
01:36:43,295 --> 01:36:46,895
Speaker 8: what you're talking about, the continuous extract ones, they're running

1691
01:36:46,895 --> 01:36:49,775
Speaker 8: at a lower rate and they're much quieter and so

1692
01:36:49,895 --> 01:36:53,535
Speaker 8: that they're not intrusive. Is that how I how I

1693
01:36:53,655 --> 01:36:56,175
Speaker 8: see far far less and true.

1694
01:36:56,015 --> 01:36:59,895
Speaker 7: To them and well designed ones you won't you won't

1695
01:36:59,975 --> 01:37:03,215
Speaker 7: notice at all when they're running in their continuous mode. Yes,

1696
01:37:03,335 --> 01:37:05,135
Speaker 7: so you're right, they are at a loss. I mean

1697
01:37:05,215 --> 01:37:08,575
Speaker 7: that's actually something hod lets us do. Right, So we've

1698
01:37:08,655 --> 01:37:11,735
Speaker 7: got and the numbers, and the numbers do matter to me,

1699
01:37:11,895 --> 01:37:14,575
Speaker 7: but probably matter a little bit less for our audience.

1700
01:37:15,255 --> 01:37:17,415
Speaker 7: It's twenty five liters a second with an intimate, and

1701
01:37:17,575 --> 01:37:19,775
Speaker 7: intimated is one where you can choose when, and that's

1702
01:37:19,815 --> 01:37:22,975
Speaker 7: something that what we wish all of our occupants remember

1703
01:37:23,015 --> 01:37:25,455
Speaker 7: to turn their fans on for long enough, including when

1704
01:37:25,455 --> 01:37:28,695
Speaker 7: we shower. We we just we're human. Maybe we're leaving

1705
01:37:28,735 --> 01:37:31,335
Speaker 7: the house straight after our shower. Maybe we're about to

1706
01:37:31,375 --> 01:37:33,415
Speaker 7: go to bed and as a noisy fan, so we

1707
01:37:33,535 --> 01:37:35,255
Speaker 7: turn the fan off, or we don't turn it on

1708
01:37:35,415 --> 01:37:38,535
Speaker 7: at all because baby sleeping in the other room, or

1709
01:37:39,015 --> 01:37:42,615
Speaker 7: some got night shift, so we leave it off, and

1710
01:37:42,695 --> 01:37:44,695
Speaker 7: then we create that moisture in that space. And if

1711
01:37:44,735 --> 01:37:47,575
Speaker 7: we haven't got a negative pressure or removing air from

1712
01:37:47,655 --> 01:37:50,695
Speaker 7: that space, then that moisture can leak out into our house.

1713
01:37:51,135 --> 01:37:54,175
Speaker 7: So we've now got these continuous fans, and so that's there.

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Speaker 7: Intimate one twenty five liters a second. The continuous one

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01:37:57,735 --> 01:38:01,575
Speaker 7: are ten liters a second, so well under half of

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01:38:01,735 --> 01:38:04,735
Speaker 7: what you have was the twenty five, the intimateate one,

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01:38:04,775 --> 01:38:06,655
Speaker 7: and that means you're actually able to run a quieter,

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01:38:06,855 --> 01:38:10,535
Speaker 7: smaller fan for those bathrooms and so that then runs

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01:38:10,655 --> 01:38:14,055
Speaker 7: all the time. There's little negative pressure. And as I said,

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01:38:14,055 --> 01:38:16,295
Speaker 7: the well designed ones, it doesn't always happen that way.

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01:38:16,335 --> 01:38:20,775
Speaker 7: You do get unfortunately for design, even in ventilation. But

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01:38:21,055 --> 01:38:23,455
Speaker 7: the well designed ones, you should barely hear is not

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01:38:23,735 --> 01:38:25,615
Speaker 7: not here at all, and definitely when you're not in

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01:38:25,695 --> 01:38:30,175
Speaker 7: that room, it shouldn't bleed out from that space. So

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01:38:30,895 --> 01:38:34,895
Speaker 7: it runs continuously and it actually takes away that that

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01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:37,095
Speaker 7: challenge where we don't know how to operate our houses

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01:38:37,095 --> 01:38:40,735
Speaker 7: as well. So it will keep moving air and we

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01:38:40,855 --> 01:38:43,495
Speaker 7: can we can almost forget and it's great for rentals

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Speaker 7: and any builds.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's I find it a fascinating space. And

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Speaker 8: I think it's you know your comment about the shutters

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01:38:51,655 --> 01:38:54,815
Speaker 8: and the shading, and I'm thinking about walking through. In fact,

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Speaker 8: one of our earlier callers was talking about heading off

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01:38:56,895 --> 01:39:00,695
Speaker 8: to France shortly and you go somewhere like that where

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01:39:00,935 --> 01:39:04,575
Speaker 8: they do have you know, warm, hot, long dry summers,

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Speaker 8: and you can see the shutters on the outside of

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01:39:06,855 --> 01:39:08,895
Speaker 8: the building and you go well, how isn't that such

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01:39:08,935 --> 01:39:12,575
Speaker 8: a sensible solution to a really obvious problem That you've

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01:39:12,575 --> 01:39:15,135
Speaker 8: got a shutter that during the day you could leave

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01:39:15,215 --> 01:39:18,735
Speaker 8: the window open for ventilation but close the old wooden shutter,

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01:39:19,815 --> 01:39:23,895
Speaker 8: which you know will still allow aaron but keeps the

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01:39:23,935 --> 01:39:27,735
Speaker 8: sun out. It's it's fantastically well start.

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01:39:27,535 --> 01:39:27,975
Speaker 4: To see that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I hope so, I hope so, because we

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01:39:31,975 --> 01:39:34,935
Speaker 7: do need to adjust our windows for that because the shutter,

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01:39:35,695 --> 01:39:38,735
Speaker 7: but I hope we will with yes, it doesn't work

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01:39:38,775 --> 01:39:42,095
Speaker 7: so well. Yeah, But the other one is, yeah, even

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01:39:42,815 --> 01:39:46,375
Speaker 7: you go to Australia, right and you see these little

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01:39:46,735 --> 01:39:49,215
Speaker 7: details coming down from the eaves of the building where

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01:39:49,215 --> 01:39:53,775
Speaker 7: they've got like they're like vertical lines or like decoration,

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01:39:54,135 --> 01:39:57,935
Speaker 7: and they actually create some shading lower down. And that's

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01:39:58,055 --> 01:40:00,975
Speaker 7: wonderful because in some of the sun sits higher than

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01:40:01,015 --> 01:40:05,735
Speaker 7: in winter, so it stops that angle pitting your windows

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01:40:05,775 --> 01:40:08,295
Speaker 7: through the middle of the day. When the sun's lower

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01:40:08,375 --> 01:40:11,855
Speaker 7: in winter, it actually bypasses those shades, which means you

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01:40:11,935 --> 01:40:14,775
Speaker 7: get all the sun hitting your window. The other really

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01:40:14,855 --> 01:40:17,535
Speaker 7: really cool thing you see over in Europe and in

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01:40:19,255 --> 01:40:21,375
Speaker 7: parts of Australia and New Zealand is you can actually

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01:40:21,455 --> 01:40:24,455
Speaker 7: use natural planting to help the deciduous plants.

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Speaker 15: Okay, because summer.

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01:40:27,335 --> 01:40:31,015
Speaker 7: Spring all the leaves come out, they grow, they become bushy,

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01:40:31,135 --> 01:40:34,615
Speaker 7: and that blocks the sun. I think a wonderful grape

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01:40:34,695 --> 01:40:36,655
Speaker 7: vine on a purglar yeah, or a.

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01:40:36,735 --> 01:40:38,255
Speaker 8: Nice bogan villi or something like that.

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01:40:38,455 --> 01:40:42,295
Speaker 7: Yeah, you sat under them, and they're shady, and they've

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01:40:42,295 --> 01:40:44,655
Speaker 7: blot the you know, they rattle of them in the breeze.

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01:40:44,695 --> 01:40:46,975
Speaker 7: It's just that wonderful environment of the summer. You know,

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01:40:47,055 --> 01:40:49,735
Speaker 7: the winter the leaves will fall off and they have

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01:40:49,855 --> 01:40:52,695
Speaker 7: this still have their elegance, but the sun's coming through.

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01:40:53,535 --> 01:40:56,855
Speaker 7: So you can do a lot with the natural environment

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01:40:56,975 --> 01:40:59,615
Speaker 7: as well, but obviously not in all our spaces.

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Speaker 8: I think what's helpful, hopefully with the discussions that's sort

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01:41:03,695 --> 01:41:05,615
Speaker 8: of in the public sphere at the moment, and I

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01:41:05,695 --> 01:41:07,975
Speaker 8: know you've been kind of driving some of that as well,

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01:41:08,095 --> 01:41:11,935
Speaker 8: is around I suppose a more nuanced understanding of how

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01:41:12,015 --> 01:41:14,535
Speaker 8: our buildings actually perform and what we need to do

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01:41:14,655 --> 01:41:17,455
Speaker 8: to operate them. I think the idea of sort of

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01:41:17,575 --> 01:41:20,855
Speaker 8: operator era or an operator guide for our houses is

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01:41:20,935 --> 01:41:25,255
Speaker 8: something that we've kind of almost forgotten about. So thank

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01:41:25,295 --> 01:41:28,255
Speaker 8: you very much for being part of that discussion, and

1781
01:41:28,895 --> 01:41:32,255
Speaker 8: for I love that insight around areas lazy and shy

1782
01:41:33,495 --> 01:41:35,975
Speaker 8: is a great image to hold in mind when you

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01:41:36,095 --> 01:41:39,055
Speaker 8: think about how why is my room getting so hot?

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01:41:39,095 --> 01:41:43,055
Speaker 8: And what can I do to mitigate that or control

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01:41:43,175 --> 01:41:45,975
Speaker 8: that in some way? Storm thank you very much for

1786
01:41:46,055 --> 01:41:48,535
Speaker 8: joining us this morning. Enjoy you long weekend. Sorry to

1787
01:41:48,655 --> 01:41:51,895
Speaker 8: interrupt it right smack bang in the middle, and we'll

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01:41:51,935 --> 01:41:53,295
Speaker 8: talk again soon, undoubtedly.

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01:41:54,215 --> 01:41:54,895
Speaker 17: Thank all of this.

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01:41:55,335 --> 01:41:55,655
Speaker 9: Take care.

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01:41:56,295 --> 01:42:00,135
Speaker 8: Storm Half from actually works at Simmis who make fans,

1792
01:42:00,215 --> 01:42:03,335
Speaker 8: but does a lot of research and a lot of writing.

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Speaker 8: If you want to know about ventilation or you want

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Speaker 8: to read some art, just search for Storm Half. It's

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Speaker 8: haarp Ham, number of articles on LinkedIn and various sort

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Speaker 8: of building blogs around the place, and it's good information.

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Speaker 8: Twenty six minutes after eight crikey, we've raced along. It's

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Speaker 8: you can call us now. Eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 8: eighty back in a mote.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're paidy with ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering

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Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolf capcoll On eight hundred eighty ten eighty the resident

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Speaker 19: B extra just basically lose with half the people, right.

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Speaker 19: But I do not have the same opinion when it

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Speaker 19: comes to the Pope. I think it is the job

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Speaker 19: of the Pope and every other Christian leader out there

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Speaker 19: to actually advocate on behalf of people, like migrants, the

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Speaker 19: poorest and the most downtrodden. And I might not agree

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Speaker 19: with everything the Pope says or his general stance on this,

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Speaker 19: but I think it is absolutely his job to share

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Speaker 19: his opinion on the suffering of others as he perceives it.

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Speaker 19: In fact, I'm happy to see him do it because

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Speaker 19: for too long, Christian leaders, and especially the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 19: have got way too distracted by opulence and personal wealth,

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Speaker 19: when actually the true roots of the religion are a

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Speaker 19: complete opposite. It's about living with and looking after the

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01:43:21,335 --> 01:43:24,015
Speaker 19: people who need you most. Now, I bet this is

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Speaker 19: going to burst Donald Trump's balloon owner because, as you

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Speaker 19: can imagine, he was pretty stoked this morning to have

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Speaker 19: America's first pope so early in his term, and obviously

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Speaker 19: a reflection on him. I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 19: be as much fun when America's first Pope is not

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Speaker 19: such a huge fan.

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Speaker 8: Of America's president.

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Speaker 1: That was a news Talk said be extra squeaky door

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