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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB Don't Get caught off side eighty

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Speaker 1: eight Weekend Sports with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New

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Speaker 2: MB eleven twenty nine. Welcome into an elongated weekend sports show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine. Let's get you back to Churin before

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith loses feeling in all of his extremities. I

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Speaker 2: remember former All Black Corey Flynn used to bring an

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Speaker 2: electric blanket along to do commentary in christ I know

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Speaker 2: you could use one of those, Elliott, great to have

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Speaker 2: you hanging around for a couple of minutes. Look, of

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Speaker 2: all the All Blacks tests this year, that was certainly

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Speaker 2: the most recent one. What what can we take from it?

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Speaker 3: I don't think any all honesty you can take anything

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Speaker 3: out of it, Piney, because the All Blacks selected their

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Speaker 3: first choice team and no one enhanced their claims.

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Speaker 4: No one.

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Speaker 3: I know its scrappy, but no one de Hantstor took

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Speaker 3: away from their claims. Looking at it to twenty two

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Speaker 3: twenty five. So for the All Blacks when they selected

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Speaker 3: their first choice team by and large on Thursday, the

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Speaker 3: pressure was on to deliver a performance worthy of it

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Speaker 3: because they'd overlooked some youngsters who could really use the

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Speaker 3: game time. They didn't do that tonight. It was scrappy.

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Speaker 3: They struggled to get going. They the referee didn't help,

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Speaker 3: but they battled to get the game bank go and

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Speaker 3: made a lot of handling errors. And so I don't

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Speaker 3: think the All Black staff can take anything out of

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Speaker 3: it other than just trying to forget it. It won't

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Speaker 3: take part in any part of their thinking. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have thought as they look ahead to twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: other than the fact you go, well, that was a

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Speaker 3: really poor performance and you can't afford to do that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in some ways is that a bit of

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Speaker 2: a red flag? And the fact that yeah, I mean yes,

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Speaker 2: that's the end of the year and by the time

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Speaker 2: against Italy and Turin. But they should have been better,

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Speaker 2: shouldn't they?

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent they should have been better. They were

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Speaker 3: very disappointing tonight. This was not a performance befitting of

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Speaker 3: from Scott robertson the year before. But the handling was poor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's cold, he had an eye. Of course it is,

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Speaker 3: but you're handling you're a professional reggae player. The handling

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Speaker 3: I thought was blow standard. Some of the set piece

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Speaker 3: out was a bit shaky throughout proceedings and they just

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Speaker 3: struggled to find each other on the park. They picked

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Speaker 3: this team for combinations and it looked like a team

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Speaker 3: not the first choice team. It looked like a team

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Speaker 3: that had been picked for Italy, where you'd expect some

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Speaker 3: of those combinations to be rusty that they don't have

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Speaker 3: that excuse to fall back on. So I think it

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Speaker 3: is a bum note tea in the All Blacks campaign.

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Speaker 2: On okay and well over the next couple of hours,

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Speaker 2: we're going to put together raisers report card just before

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Speaker 2: you go. You can do a mark out of ten.

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Speaker 2: You can grade at the old fashioned way with an

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Speaker 3: Look, I'd give it a five and a half out

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Speaker 3: performance probably takes a half mark off it France last

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Speaker 3: week lose by a point. If you go up to

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Speaker 3: probably would have taken that pre tour. But the Argentina

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Speaker 3: loss in the Capitol really stands out like a sore thumb.

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Speaker 3: They should have won one of those tests in South

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Speaker 3: I'm probably looking at five and a half to six

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Speaker 2: All right, well, your report card is going to be

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Speaker 2: a lot higher. I'll put that together as you're on

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Speaker 2: the plane flying home, Elliott. But fourteen Test matches from

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Speaker 2: Dunedin to Turin, it's been a monster effort from you.

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Speaker 2: Go and get warm. We'll look forward to your postmatch

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Speaker 2: content coming through. But thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 2: as always, and well done on a brilliant year.

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Speaker 3: Cheers Binney, Thank you mate.

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith, our lead rugby commentator and rugby editor. Signing

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Speaker 2: off from Turin, he will head to the post match

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Speaker 2: press conference and find some audio and reaction for us

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Speaker 2: from that Test match in Churin. Your reaction is welcome

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Speaker 2: between now and midday. Oh eight hundred and eight ten

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Speaker 2: half hour. Back after this you be the TMO.

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Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason him and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: B And that is full time in Churin and a

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Speaker 3: year of significant change and the All Blacks comes to

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Speaker 3: a winning but largely forgettable ends in Turin full time

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Speaker 3: sport twenty nine points to eleven. The All Blacks close

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Speaker 3: season twenty twenty four with their tenth victory of the campaign.

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Speaker 2: There you go. That was the full time whistle a

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Speaker 2: short time ago, the All Blacks winning at twenty nine

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Speaker 2: Italy live seventeen test matches, seventeen wins for the All Black.

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Speaker 2: Say you've watched the game, We're going to be fill

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Speaker 2: up with calls. I know we are. After midday as

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Speaker 2: we begin to unpack this test match. If you want

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Speaker 2: do that. It's an extended weekend sport today. Oh eight

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Speaker 2: it wasn't one of the great rugby test matches. Not

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Speaker 2: a heck of a lot of cohesion or rhythm from

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Speaker 2: much kicking really for my liking, far too many stoppages,

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Speaker 2: too many scrum resets, and some ponderous refereeing at times

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Speaker 2: Two away from midday, we'll take a break, come back

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Speaker 2: with your calls right after this nineteen away from midday

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Speaker 2: as we assess the All Blacks year after the season

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Speaker 2: ending winn and it's a Lee Tom kick us off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning. How you guys at a marvelous job

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Speaker 5: with your Rum radio. I'm so glad I didn't Vice

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Speaker 2: Well that's good to have you with us, Tom, Yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 5: And I've stayed off year waves because I wasn't impressed

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Speaker 5: on air, and it is bloody marvelous. It's one of

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Speaker 5: And and I tell you what, I wouldn't be impressed

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Speaker 2: Think will be that? What do you think will be

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Speaker 5: Tom, you new guys, new players that can Actually we've

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Speaker 5: of Sam Kaine has been awesome. He's a lot of

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Speaker 2: All right, Tom Hay, Well, good summary from you. Thanks

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Speaker 7: Probably a steve plus. It's always going to be a

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Speaker 7: difficult transition, yeah.

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Speaker 7: got to try to try to move forward. But there

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Speaker 7: is a question I have got for you. And I

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Speaker 7: don't profess to know all the rules of rugby, probably

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Speaker 8: You can't do that.

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Speaker 7: But how can you When you're at the defending your

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Speaker 7: driving towards the tryline. All those tackles are around the

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Speaker 7: tackling like that in that situation? But not in general

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Speaker 2: Think it's the body position of the ball carrier fin

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Speaker 2: to tackle them. I think what they're cracking down on

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Speaker 2: I think, but confused with the sliding scale before, with

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome back into the Sunday edition of Weekend

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Speaker 2: Sport on News Talks. He'd be November twenty four, Happy

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Speaker 3: And that is full time and cheerin and a year

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Speaker 2: Yea, the All Blacks year is done and Dust had

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Speaker 2: year at the Helm. Your input is crucial as we

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Speaker 2: regular slot at around one forty five. The ASB Classic

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Speaker 2: guess the Grunter. If you missed this yesterday and you're

430
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Speaker 2: wondering what on earth I'm talking about. All you have

431
00:21:29,827 --> 00:21:33,107
Speaker 2: to do is identify the grunting tennis star and you

432
00:21:33,147 --> 00:21:36,307
Speaker 2: could be courtside at the ASB Classic in January. It'll

433
00:21:36,347 --> 00:21:40,107
Speaker 2: all become clear. We'll do it in the next, in

434
00:21:40,187 --> 00:21:43,227
Speaker 2: the next, in the next hour or so. But I'm

435
00:21:43,227 --> 00:21:46,147
Speaker 2: just getting word that Jason Ryan is ready to chat

436
00:21:46,187 --> 00:21:48,027
Speaker 2: to us. Jason, thanks for taking our call so soon

437
00:21:48,067 --> 00:21:50,867
Speaker 2: after the final whistle? Can we start with your overall

438
00:21:50,907 --> 00:21:53,587
Speaker 2: assessment of the Test match and the All Blacks performance?

439
00:21:55,907 --> 00:21:58,507
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty messy, wasn't it.

440
00:21:58,947 --> 00:22:02,067
Speaker 15: To be fair, I thought we were Yeah, we lacked

441
00:22:02,107 --> 00:22:05,627
Speaker 15: a lot of probably quality in our skill sets, to

442
00:22:05,707 --> 00:22:08,867
Speaker 15: be honest, think there was some areas of the game

443
00:22:08,907 --> 00:22:10,387
Speaker 15: that we were good.

444
00:22:10,387 --> 00:22:12,507
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, I just don't think we

445
00:22:12,627 --> 00:22:13,027
Speaker 4: got off to a.

446
00:22:12,987 --> 00:22:16,147
Speaker 15: Good enough start and we weren't really where we needed

447
00:22:16,147 --> 00:22:18,987
Speaker 15: to be and which could have been potentially a little

448
00:22:18,987 --> 00:22:22,067
Speaker 15: bit of a reflection of a big fourteen test year

449
00:22:22,067 --> 00:22:25,427
Speaker 15: calendar by no means an excuse, but probably a little

450
00:22:25,427 --> 00:22:26,067
Speaker 15: bit of reality.

451
00:22:27,027 --> 00:22:29,667
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it has been a big year. Not every

452
00:22:29,707 --> 00:22:32,467
Speaker 2: All Blacks team plays fourteen Test matches in the calendar year,

453
00:22:32,507 --> 00:22:36,027
Speaker 2: but as far as the cohesion, the execution, the rhythm

454
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Speaker 2: with ball in hand. Why do you think that was

455
00:22:38,187 --> 00:22:39,547
Speaker 2: so hard to come by? At times?

456
00:22:40,347 --> 00:22:44,227
Speaker 15: It was extremely wet, a lot wetter than we've probably

457
00:22:44,227 --> 00:22:48,907
Speaker 15: prepared for. But you know, and we just we put

458
00:22:48,947 --> 00:22:53,227
Speaker 15: our skills under pressure with silly passes or offloads when

459
00:22:53,267 --> 00:22:56,107
Speaker 15: they weren't needed, and just didn't really respect the ball

460
00:22:56,427 --> 00:22:59,027
Speaker 15: as well as we could have. And we found ourselves

461
00:23:00,067 --> 00:23:02,107
Speaker 15: not been able to get through the defensive line because

462
00:23:02,147 --> 00:23:04,747
Speaker 15: our carry height was far too high, especially in the

463
00:23:04,747 --> 00:23:08,267
Speaker 15: first half. So it was probably a little bit of

464
00:23:08,267 --> 00:23:11,107
Speaker 15: mix of everything, and you're just a little bit messy

465
00:23:11,147 --> 00:23:13,827
Speaker 15: all around, really, But I guess the positives are we

466
00:23:14,067 --> 00:23:15,227
Speaker 15: found a way and we still won.

467
00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:18,027
Speaker 4: But it gives us a little bit of stuff to

468
00:23:18,387 --> 00:23:20,867
Speaker 4: think about over summer. But we'll worry about that then.

469
00:23:21,307 --> 00:23:24,587
Speaker 2: It doesn't become or does it become a rock under

470
00:23:24,587 --> 00:23:25,427
Speaker 2: the beach towel for you?

471
00:23:27,067 --> 00:23:28,827
Speaker 4: Oh no, not at all.

472
00:23:29,307 --> 00:23:32,067
Speaker 15: No, I think we you know, we can be pretty

473
00:23:32,147 --> 00:23:36,827
Speaker 15: satisfied of I think the performances that we've put together

474
00:23:37,627 --> 00:23:40,307
Speaker 15: for this whole test calendar as a whole, we can

475
00:23:40,347 --> 00:23:43,867
Speaker 15: be pretty satisfied that we've introduced probably more new all

476
00:23:43,907 --> 00:23:47,907
Speaker 15: blacks to the test arena than normal. But yeah, we've

477
00:23:47,947 --> 00:23:51,267
Speaker 15: definitely got some completion stuff that we will need to

478
00:23:51,307 --> 00:23:55,987
Speaker 15: work on, you know, heading into next year. But you know,

479
00:23:56,027 --> 00:23:57,827
Speaker 15: the boys can be so pretty proud that we found

480
00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,907
Speaker 15: a way, Like Les stated, nothing out of Italy like

481
00:24:00,387 --> 00:24:03,307
Speaker 15: they were immense and they you know, it was a

482
00:24:03,347 --> 00:24:05,747
Speaker 15: big test with them at home. They had a lot

483
00:24:05,747 --> 00:24:08,587
Speaker 15: of hurt from be the World Cup game, and it

484
00:24:08,707 --> 00:24:10,827
Speaker 15: was our prep as genuine as it could have been.

485
00:24:11,627 --> 00:24:13,587
Speaker 4: I think it definitely could have been a little bit better.

486
00:24:15,147 --> 00:24:17,187
Speaker 2: In what way.

487
00:24:17,867 --> 00:24:20,507
Speaker 15: Or just getting up for probably the mental challenge. You know,

488
00:24:20,547 --> 00:24:23,867
Speaker 15: we've come off three huge test matches and the likes

489
00:24:23,867 --> 00:24:27,307
Speaker 15: of you know, when you when you go England, Ireland,

490
00:24:27,347 --> 00:24:31,307
Speaker 15: France and then the Italy tests might have been.

491
00:24:31,227 --> 00:24:33,107
Speaker 4: Just a a bit of an.

492
00:24:33,147 --> 00:24:35,107
Speaker 15: Awakening for some of the guys that are getting used

493
00:24:35,147 --> 00:24:38,107
Speaker 15: to that test arena and how consistent you have to

494
00:24:38,147 --> 00:24:40,587
Speaker 15: be in your preparation every week.

495
00:24:42,027 --> 00:24:45,067
Speaker 2: How happy were you with set Piece in particular the

496
00:24:45,067 --> 00:24:46,627
Speaker 2: scrum dominance that you had.

497
00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:48,507
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was all good.

498
00:24:49,267 --> 00:24:52,347
Speaker 15: I think that we you know, we probably got ourselves

499
00:24:52,467 --> 00:24:53,787
Speaker 15: out of what could have been a real hole if

500
00:24:53,787 --> 00:24:55,867
Speaker 15: it wasn't for some of our scrum penalties that we won.

501
00:24:58,707 --> 00:25:01,667
Speaker 15: Line out was a little bit messy again for both

502
00:25:01,707 --> 00:25:05,067
Speaker 15: teams because just so wet the you know, the hawkers

503
00:25:05,107 --> 00:25:07,707
Speaker 15: were struggling to get that all dry in time for

504
00:25:07,787 --> 00:25:09,427
Speaker 15: both sides. You know, I think it was I don't

505
00:25:09,427 --> 00:25:11,627
Speaker 15: know what the stats were for both sides of the

506
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:15,027
Speaker 15: ball with the ball in the air, but the catch

507
00:25:15,187 --> 00:25:17,147
Speaker 15: was you know, it was going through hands or it

508
00:25:17,227 --> 00:25:19,667
Speaker 15: was a late, late, little tip off and it just

509
00:25:19,787 --> 00:25:22,587
Speaker 15: wasn't as clean as it could have been. But again

510
00:25:22,707 --> 00:25:24,787
Speaker 15: due to the condition conditions. I don't know what it

511
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,467
Speaker 15: looked like on the telly, but the ground was just

512
00:25:26,507 --> 00:25:26,987
Speaker 15: so wet.

513
00:25:27,387 --> 00:25:31,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that wasn't obvious from watching on TV. So

514
00:25:31,667 --> 00:25:35,387
Speaker 2: that's that's interesting to hear a couple of yellow cards Jays.

515
00:25:35,427 --> 00:25:37,067
Speaker 2: Do you think either of them were a bit soft?

516
00:25:39,947 --> 00:25:43,387
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the yeah far out.

517
00:25:43,427 --> 00:25:46,547
Speaker 15: The crock roll one from Scooter I thought was interesting.

518
00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:49,547
Speaker 15: You know, like we were told that if you if you,

519
00:25:49,627 --> 00:25:52,827
Speaker 15: if you crock roll and land on lower limbs and

520
00:25:52,867 --> 00:25:56,547
Speaker 15: it's clear and obvious, that's that's you know, dangerous play,

521
00:25:56,547 --> 00:26:00,747
Speaker 15: which I'm not sure that was, but I understand that

522
00:26:00,787 --> 00:26:02,867
Speaker 15: they want to remove the crock rolls out of the game,

523
00:26:02,907 --> 00:26:04,867
Speaker 15: but that was more of a twist of the upper body, so.

524
00:26:06,947 --> 00:26:10,747
Speaker 4: And Anton's one was, yeah, probably little bit messy as well.

525
00:26:10,787 --> 00:26:12,427
Speaker 4: Probably don't need to stay in there as well. So

526
00:26:13,107 --> 00:26:13,747
Speaker 4: we'll look at that.

527
00:26:13,827 --> 00:26:16,027
Speaker 15: But again, like you know, if we're going to be

528
00:26:16,067 --> 00:26:19,587
Speaker 15: honest about that and some of our accuracy and cards

529
00:26:19,627 --> 00:26:22,147
Speaker 15: and that sort of thing, it just hasn't been as good.

530
00:26:21,987 --> 00:26:23,747
Speaker 4: As it could be. But we'll learn from it.

531
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Speaker 15: I've got no doubt the boy's got a lot of

532
00:26:25,467 --> 00:26:26,867
Speaker 15: care and they want to want to do well.

533
00:26:26,947 --> 00:26:31,707
Speaker 2: So in a widest sense, Jace, you've used six props

534
00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:34,747
Speaker 2: and three hookers across the fourteen Test matches this year.

535
00:26:34,907 --> 00:26:36,747
Speaker 2: How do you assess the All Blacks front row strength

536
00:26:36,787 --> 00:26:37,267
Speaker 2: at the moment?

537
00:26:38,227 --> 00:26:39,627
Speaker 4: I think it's right where it needs to be.

538
00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:41,267
Speaker 15: I think it's actually an honestly, I think it's a

539
00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:43,747
Speaker 15: bit of a point of difference for us. I think

540
00:26:43,787 --> 00:26:47,507
Speaker 15: we've got some good depth there. You know, Simmosoni is

541
00:26:47,547 --> 00:26:50,067
Speaker 15: not here as well, so I think that's going to

542
00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,627
Speaker 15: add some good competition next year. You know, Cody Taylor's

543
00:26:53,627 --> 00:26:55,547
Speaker 15: had in our standing year and Suffo has really come

544
00:26:55,587 --> 00:26:57,667
Speaker 15: on to the Test arena which has been awesome, And

545
00:26:58,347 --> 00:27:01,027
Speaker 15: you know a tyre Lomax right up there. You know,

546
00:27:01,027 --> 00:27:04,107
Speaker 15: he's best tidy in the world in my eyes, and

547
00:27:04,187 --> 00:27:05,787
Speaker 15: I think we can be pretty impressed with how to

548
00:27:05,907 --> 00:27:09,227
Speaker 15: Mighty's on as well. So I think I think the

549
00:27:09,267 --> 00:27:13,507
Speaker 15: competition overall is healthy and we're probably seeing the awards.

550
00:27:13,067 --> 00:27:15,027
Speaker 4: With that with with our scrum.

551
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:18,467
Speaker 2: To be fair, how have you assessed Wallace to TT's

552
00:27:18,507 --> 00:27:21,787
Speaker 2: growth in the All Blacks Jersey?

553
00:27:23,107 --> 00:27:23,907
Speaker 4: Hyeah?

554
00:27:23,907 --> 00:27:26,507
Speaker 15: In all honesty, I don't think there's been a player

555
00:27:26,587 --> 00:27:29,107
Speaker 15: particularly loose Ford arrive on the world stage.

556
00:27:29,867 --> 00:27:33,267
Speaker 4: I like it for some time. He is an immense

557
00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:35,227
Speaker 4: young man, so young.

558
00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:37,107
Speaker 15: He's had a big season though, we'll have to look

559
00:27:37,147 --> 00:27:39,667
Speaker 15: after him and and make sure that he has a

560
00:27:39,667 --> 00:27:43,467
Speaker 15: good plan around resetting himself. Got a lot of leadership

561
00:27:43,547 --> 00:27:47,227
Speaker 15: qualities in his own way. He's he's a rugby player.

562
00:27:47,387 --> 00:27:50,227
Speaker 15: He's instinctive and he's clear on what he wants to

563
00:27:50,267 --> 00:27:52,547
Speaker 15: do and it's a real credit to him.

564
00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:53,947
Speaker 4: He's he's been amazing.

565
00:27:56,027 --> 00:27:59,467
Speaker 15: Surprised if he doesn't win that World Breakthrough Player of

566
00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:01,867
Speaker 15: the Year like he's obviously been nominated for that tomorrow,

567
00:28:01,947 --> 00:28:04,747
Speaker 15: So yeah, pretty special mate.

568
00:28:04,787 --> 00:28:07,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel sir, like you should win that one. Okay,

569
00:28:08,107 --> 00:28:10,307
Speaker 2: I was going to say, your fair, your farewell. Sam

570
00:28:10,387 --> 00:28:13,467
Speaker 2: Kaine and TJ Peinada tonight. Both have been All Blacks

571
00:28:13,867 --> 00:28:15,947
Speaker 2: for over a decade. Can you give us Jason insight

572
00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:17,307
Speaker 2: into their influence on this team.

573
00:28:18,267 --> 00:28:20,427
Speaker 4: Yeah, been really good in the experience side of it,

574
00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:21,387
Speaker 4: both of them.

575
00:28:21,427 --> 00:28:24,067
Speaker 15: I guess it's probably a little bit easier for me

576
00:28:24,187 --> 00:28:26,987
Speaker 15: to comment on Sam Kane because I have more to

577
00:28:26,987 --> 00:28:31,707
Speaker 15: do with him as the forwards. But look, I think

578
00:28:31,707 --> 00:28:36,387
Speaker 15: he's been an amazing All Black. A lot of a

579
00:28:36,387 --> 00:28:40,827
Speaker 15: lot of criticism probably through his career in different stages,

580
00:28:40,907 --> 00:28:44,267
Speaker 15: which is just you know, from people that have probably

581
00:28:44,307 --> 00:28:46,787
Speaker 15: got no lack of knowledge of what it really requires

582
00:28:46,787 --> 00:28:49,787
Speaker 15: to be an All Black seven and consistent All Black

583
00:28:49,827 --> 00:28:53,787
Speaker 15: seven in such a physical and demanding position. You know,

584
00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:56,747
Speaker 15: he's obviously broke his neck many years ago, He's had

585
00:28:56,747 --> 00:28:58,947
Speaker 15: a little bit of back issues. He's been resilient, he's

586
00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:01,707
Speaker 15: been tough. But the leadership that he shows in this

587
00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:05,267
Speaker 15: team on and off the field has been amazing. And

588
00:29:05,987 --> 00:29:07,627
Speaker 15: you know, he will go down in my.

589
00:29:07,667 --> 00:29:09,947
Speaker 4: Eyes and a lot of people's, I'm sure as a

590
00:29:10,187 --> 00:29:12,187
Speaker 4: great All Black. You know, to play one hundred.

591
00:29:11,947 --> 00:29:14,987
Speaker 15: Plus test Kepta in the All blacks in World Cups

592
00:29:15,147 --> 00:29:19,867
Speaker 15: and you know he's given back, you know, everything that

593
00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,947
Speaker 15: that we needed for him to do on this tour.

594
00:29:22,027 --> 00:29:24,147
Speaker 4: And you know we had a few injuries where he

595
00:29:24,347 --> 00:29:24,867
Speaker 4: just kept.

596
00:29:24,667 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 15: Playing and and being on the side, you know, but

597
00:29:27,827 --> 00:29:30,387
Speaker 15: you know he's been immense, as he keeps saying, really

598
00:29:30,387 --> 00:29:33,187
Speaker 15: proud of Semi and pretty emotional when the shed seeing

599
00:29:33,227 --> 00:29:35,427
Speaker 15: him take the jersey off for the last time.

600
00:29:35,467 --> 00:29:38,107
Speaker 4: But he's left his mark, that's for sure.

601
00:29:38,707 --> 00:29:40,747
Speaker 2: Is that number seven jersey one of your big live

602
00:29:40,867 --> 00:29:42,667
Speaker 2: selection conversations the next year.

603
00:29:43,547 --> 00:29:48,187
Speaker 15: I think it'll be healthy, won't it will be I

604
00:29:48,187 --> 00:29:49,787
Speaker 15: think a wall I think when you look at you know,

605
00:29:49,787 --> 00:29:52,027
Speaker 15: obviously adults who're not count for you about dots. He's

606
00:29:52,547 --> 00:29:54,867
Speaker 15: never got his HEMI ride and to come back and

607
00:29:55,187 --> 00:29:57,067
Speaker 15: was not going to make it over for this tour,

608
00:29:57,107 --> 00:29:59,107
Speaker 15: and you know, his plans some good foot. He probably

609
00:29:59,147 --> 00:30:01,067
Speaker 15: started not quite out of the blocks as he would

610
00:30:01,067 --> 00:30:02,907
Speaker 15: have liked to in the Test arena, which he knows,

611
00:30:02,947 --> 00:30:06,107
Speaker 15: but you know he's you know, he'll be he'll be

612
00:30:06,147 --> 00:30:07,427
Speaker 15: to getting out and I know that.

613
00:30:09,547 --> 00:30:11,507
Speaker 4: You know we've obviously played Artie there as well, and.

614
00:30:12,147 --> 00:30:15,027
Speaker 15: Wallace is an eight and and so Ardie can play

615
00:30:15,027 --> 00:30:17,027
Speaker 15: there too. But you know Peter Lako is going to

616
00:30:17,027 --> 00:30:20,547
Speaker 15: be pretty good as well. He's pretty dynamic for a

617
00:30:20,587 --> 00:30:23,347
Speaker 15: young man, so I think it's exciting to be fair.

618
00:30:23,787 --> 00:30:25,787
Speaker 2: Yep, that can all wait. So have you warmed up yet?

619
00:30:25,947 --> 00:30:27,427
Speaker 2: It looked bloody cold mate?

620
00:30:28,187 --> 00:30:32,067
Speaker 15: It was yeah, yeah, no it was she was cold. Yeah, no,

621
00:30:32,227 --> 00:30:36,107
Speaker 15: she's good. I'm looking forward to Kiewi summer. It's for sure.

622
00:30:37,267 --> 00:30:39,987
Speaker 2: Good on you, Jas, Thanks thanks for joining us. Safe travels.

623
00:30:39,987 --> 00:30:41,187
Speaker 2: We'll chatt in the new year.

624
00:30:41,907 --> 00:30:44,107
Speaker 4: No worries, Jan, Thank you boy, Bye bye.

625
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Speaker 2: That's Jason Ryan joining us assistant coach with the All Blacks,

626
00:30:47,347 --> 00:30:50,347
Speaker 2: with a particular responsibility for the forwards of course, with

627
00:30:50,387 --> 00:30:52,987
Speaker 2: some interesting thoughts there. You'll have some as well. I

628
00:30:53,027 --> 00:30:55,547
Speaker 2: know you will, so we can open the line shortly.

629
00:30:55,627 --> 00:30:57,827
Speaker 2: Let's get a breakaway. Paul Miller, former All Blacks loose

630
00:30:57,827 --> 00:30:59,147
Speaker 2: for we going to join us as well. But you're

631
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Speaker 2: analysis is welcome this afternoon. Encouraged on our eight hundred

632
00:31:03,947 --> 00:31:06,907
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty eighteen minutes past mid day. We're

633
00:31:06,947 --> 00:31:08,507
Speaker 2: back on Weekend Sport after this.

634
00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:12,347
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635
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637
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Speaker 3: That'd be Roygard scripts it up. It's opened up, Cam

638
00:31:20,507 --> 00:31:23,907
Speaker 3: right guard. Hen he goes, I bet how to scout?

639
00:31:24,027 --> 00:31:25,707
Speaker 14: But the All Blacks have their first here.

640
00:31:25,747 --> 00:31:28,667
Speaker 2: That was first try of the evening in Churin for

641
00:31:28,747 --> 00:31:31,267
Speaker 2: Cam roy Guard. Let's bring in former All Blacks number

642
00:31:31,267 --> 00:31:34,587
Speaker 2: eight and now rugby commentator and analyst Paul Miller. Paul

643
00:31:34,667 --> 00:31:36,627
Speaker 2: is bit of a full circle moment. You're in the

644
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Speaker 2: expert comments seat for test one of the year when

645
00:31:39,387 --> 00:31:43,147
Speaker 2: the All Blacks beat England sixteen fifteen and Dunedin fourteen

646
00:31:43,547 --> 00:31:46,507
Speaker 2: tests later. You're back. Let's start with this test match.

647
00:31:46,587 --> 00:31:48,787
Speaker 2: What was your overall assessment of what you saw this morning?

648
00:31:49,707 --> 00:31:50,947
Speaker 12: Oh?

649
00:31:51,067 --> 00:31:56,987
Speaker 9: Untidy, untidy mess seed but fill credit to Italian team,

650
00:31:57,307 --> 00:32:00,387
Speaker 9: very very good in terms of the dominance at their

651
00:32:00,467 --> 00:32:02,867
Speaker 9: rock area. They actually slowed down the ball for the

652
00:32:02,867 --> 00:32:06,147
Speaker 9: All Blacks. All Blacks couldn't get needy continuity a way.

653
00:32:06,107 --> 00:32:07,307
Speaker 11: So yeah, it was.

654
00:32:07,827 --> 00:32:08,147
Speaker 16: It was.

655
00:32:08,187 --> 00:32:10,427
Speaker 11: It was kind of a crash and a bash, but

656
00:32:11,107 --> 00:32:14,187
Speaker 11: limited space and limited opportunities. It was, you know, those

657
00:32:14,227 --> 00:32:17,587
Speaker 11: fortuitous events. How obviously Tim Roygar got his try and

658
00:32:17,627 --> 00:32:19,267
Speaker 11: then obviously boat and bear it at the end. But

659
00:32:19,627 --> 00:32:21,507
Speaker 11: all in all, I just thought it was very a

660
00:32:21,627 --> 00:32:23,427
Speaker 11: very untidy game from the All Blacks.

661
00:32:23,947 --> 00:32:27,147
Speaker 2: Second tier teams Paul like Italy will always lift their

662
00:32:27,187 --> 00:32:30,147
Speaker 2: game right against the All Blacks. They always will do.

663
00:32:30,147 --> 00:32:32,787
Speaker 2: Do you need to plan more specifically for teams to

664
00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:34,827
Speaker 2: do that in test matches like this.

665
00:32:35,707 --> 00:32:39,627
Speaker 11: Yes, definitely do. What it shows though, also is the

666
00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:42,987
Speaker 11: beliefs that these I guess you know, so called secondary

667
00:32:43,027 --> 00:32:46,627
Speaker 11: of teams like Italy are seeing the teams like the

668
00:32:46,627 --> 00:32:50,307
Speaker 11: Ireland of France obviously England as well with who the

669
00:32:50,307 --> 00:32:52,267
Speaker 11: All Blacks played on that Northern tour. But it's the

670
00:32:52,347 --> 00:32:55,547
Speaker 11: belief that these teams now have showing you know that

671
00:32:56,507 --> 00:32:59,947
Speaker 11: my possible weaknesses the All Blacks do have, and being

672
00:32:59,987 --> 00:33:01,867
Speaker 11: able to have a belief that, you know, the All

673
00:33:01,907 --> 00:33:03,907
Speaker 11: Blacks aren't as dominant as what they were and now

674
00:33:03,947 --> 00:33:06,347
Speaker 11: we can actually you know, not just play the before

675
00:33:06,387 --> 00:33:08,547
Speaker 11: all wow, but play to perform and win at the

676
00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:10,947
Speaker 11: end of it. So it's given these you know, these

677
00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:14,747
Speaker 11: tier two teams, you know a lot of encouragement that

678
00:33:14,987 --> 00:33:16,387
Speaker 11: you know, when they do play, they're going to be

679
00:33:16,387 --> 00:33:20,627
Speaker 11: playing at their top level. So yeah, it's grateful world rugby.

680
00:33:20,987 --> 00:33:22,987
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, look, without question, I think we all

681
00:33:22,987 --> 00:33:25,427
Speaker 2: want competitive Test matches week in, week out. But given

682
00:33:25,467 --> 00:33:27,947
Speaker 2: the fact the All Blacks named a full strength team

683
00:33:27,987 --> 00:33:30,587
Speaker 2: for this, was this a missed chance to lay down

684
00:33:30,587 --> 00:33:31,907
Speaker 2: a marker at the end of the year.

685
00:33:33,307 --> 00:33:36,067
Speaker 11: I mean, it was surprising that yet Razor did go

686
00:33:36,147 --> 00:33:39,107
Speaker 11: with with obviously an established Test side. I would have

687
00:33:39,107 --> 00:33:40,547
Speaker 11: thought he would have brought in a couple of the

688
00:33:40,707 --> 00:33:43,067
Speaker 11: you know, the New Zealand and fifteen like obviously broad

689
00:33:43,107 --> 00:33:47,027
Speaker 11: in Peter Lackeye first a bit earlier, but obviously playing

690
00:33:47,147 --> 00:33:50,587
Speaker 11: you know, a privilege to Sam Kay's last Seas match

691
00:33:50,627 --> 00:33:53,907
Speaker 11: in the orback Jersey, but very very token that he started.

692
00:33:54,307 --> 00:33:56,467
Speaker 11: But you know, yeah, you're right, I mean it could

693
00:33:56,507 --> 00:33:58,147
Speaker 11: have he could have brought in the likes of Rubn

694
00:33:58,227 --> 00:34:02,267
Speaker 11: loves the pair of feeders, you know, so maybe just

695
00:34:02,267 --> 00:34:05,067
Speaker 11: sort of blooded them. And but you know, given that,

696
00:34:05,387 --> 00:34:09,027
Speaker 11: you know, the the initial Test lineup, I would have

697
00:34:09,027 --> 00:34:11,107
Speaker 11: thought they would have played a lot better than what

698
00:34:11,107 --> 00:34:11,507
Speaker 11: they did.

699
00:34:12,147 --> 00:34:14,827
Speaker 2: A couple of yellow counts this morning. That makes eleven

700
00:34:15,347 --> 00:34:17,867
Speaker 2: for the season. Is that a concerning number?

701
00:34:19,347 --> 00:34:25,427
Speaker 11: It's yes and no. Concerning that, it seems to be

702
00:34:25,587 --> 00:34:28,907
Speaker 11: quite a continued theme of the All Blacks. You know's

703
00:34:28,947 --> 00:34:33,987
Speaker 11: and that's student's basically discipline, but also it's the scrutiny

704
00:34:34,027 --> 00:34:36,587
Speaker 11: that's involved. Now. I mean, you know every sort of

705
00:34:36,587 --> 00:34:39,427
Speaker 11: ten to fifteen minutes that the dmos get involved, the

706
00:34:39,547 --> 00:34:42,867
Speaker 11: sideline touches get involved, so you know, that's something else

707
00:34:42,907 --> 00:34:45,227
Speaker 11: that maybe may have to be looked at. And that

708
00:34:45,427 --> 00:34:48,067
Speaker 11: just sort of created that stop starting sort of game

709
00:34:48,107 --> 00:34:49,907
Speaker 11: for the All Blacks, and they weren't be able, they

710
00:34:49,907 --> 00:34:52,267
Speaker 11: weren't able to get into their rhythm as such. So

711
00:34:52,747 --> 00:34:54,707
Speaker 11: but again it comes back to the Italian has been

712
00:34:54,907 --> 00:34:57,267
Speaker 11: ruthless on defense, you know, slowing that ball down. But

713
00:34:57,387 --> 00:35:00,107
Speaker 11: you're right, Piney, it's it's something that I think wordnus

714
00:35:00,147 --> 00:35:01,947
Speaker 11: to look at. Otherwise you know you're going to get

715
00:35:01,947 --> 00:35:04,387
Speaker 11: disgruntled listeners as well as viewers.

716
00:35:04,947 --> 00:35:07,427
Speaker 2: Indeed well out of it now. As I say, you

717
00:35:07,507 --> 00:35:09,947
Speaker 2: said alongside Elliot Smith in the first test of the

718
00:35:09,987 --> 00:35:14,387
Speaker 2: year against England and Dunedin. Here we are now fourteen

719
00:35:14,507 --> 00:35:17,867
Speaker 2: tests in the books. How do you assess twenty twenty

720
00:35:17,867 --> 00:35:18,987
Speaker 2: four for the All Blacks?

721
00:35:20,027 --> 00:35:23,467
Speaker 11: I think for the terms of how they tested the

722
00:35:24,187 --> 00:35:27,347
Speaker 11: depth of their players. And also you know you're leading

723
00:35:27,387 --> 00:35:32,467
Speaker 11: contenders as well, like obviously Scott Barrett and the front rowers.

724
00:35:32,507 --> 00:35:34,987
Speaker 11: Of course they're pretty much established now with the mighty

725
00:35:35,947 --> 00:35:40,347
Speaker 11: Pasilio Tossi as well and obviously eating the group like

726
00:35:40,467 --> 00:35:46,227
Speaker 11: Lomex and the likes. Very settled lineup again. It was

727
00:35:46,267 --> 00:35:47,987
Speaker 11: great to see the bloody of the other players like

728
00:35:48,067 --> 00:35:51,027
Speaker 11: Sam Derry for example, come in there at Rock Josh

729
00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:53,587
Speaker 11: Lord obviously, and then and then the like's given in

730
00:35:53,787 --> 00:35:55,667
Speaker 11: these other players in the backs a bit of a

731
00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:59,067
Speaker 11: crack as well. Like Proctor, I thought he might have

732
00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:03,627
Speaker 11: got his opportunity as well, but it's just it's given

733
00:36:03,747 --> 00:36:07,507
Speaker 11: the all blacks test of the depth. But also you

734
00:36:07,547 --> 00:36:10,147
Speaker 11: know something can work on continuing to the next year

735
00:36:10,147 --> 00:36:10,547
Speaker 11: as well.

736
00:36:11,427 --> 00:36:14,107
Speaker 2: So Sam Kaine has started eight of them the last

737
00:36:14,227 --> 00:36:16,827
Speaker 2: nine test matches in the seven Jersey. That's probably more

738
00:36:16,827 --> 00:36:20,267
Speaker 2: than they thought he might. But the fact is he

739
00:36:20,427 --> 00:36:22,987
Speaker 2: started there in eight of them last nine tests. So

740
00:36:22,987 --> 00:36:25,347
Speaker 2: who do you reckon is going to get first crack

741
00:36:25,387 --> 00:36:26,707
Speaker 2: at the seven Jersey next year?

742
00:36:27,387 --> 00:36:30,427
Speaker 11: Right, Well, you've got Peter Lackeye there coming coming through

743
00:36:30,427 --> 00:36:33,387
Speaker 11: the ranks. But in my opinion, I think Ardie Severe

744
00:36:33,427 --> 00:36:35,387
Speaker 11: should go to the open side and want of Satta

745
00:36:35,387 --> 00:36:39,027
Speaker 11: should go to number eight. They've got send me penow

746
00:36:39,467 --> 00:36:43,267
Speaker 11: a female, SENDI female there he can play obviously play

747
00:36:44,387 --> 00:36:45,827
Speaker 11: on the on the blinds of I would like to

748
00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:48,307
Speaker 11: see Setida pop in at eight. I think he's a

749
00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:51,147
Speaker 11: bit he's used, as he's not as free as when

750
00:36:51,187 --> 00:36:53,227
Speaker 11: he plays at number six, even though you know some

751
00:36:53,267 --> 00:36:56,467
Speaker 11: of the games, obviously the previous ones that they played

752
00:36:56,467 --> 00:36:58,187
Speaker 11: in against Ireland that he was able to sort of

753
00:36:58,427 --> 00:37:01,387
Speaker 11: get out and get a bit more into the open cherritory.

754
00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:05,187
Speaker 11: But I would like to see obviously Artie Severe at seven.

755
00:37:05,227 --> 00:37:09,267
Speaker 11: And then you may blood and Peter Lackeye and again

756
00:37:09,307 --> 00:37:13,107
Speaker 11: it's there's the police creating as well, who's knacking at

757
00:37:13,107 --> 00:37:15,187
Speaker 11: the heels of them as two, So that's probably my

758
00:37:15,227 --> 00:37:16,747
Speaker 11: opinion point No.

759
00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:19,107
Speaker 2: No, what do you see in the future of Ethan

760
00:37:19,187 --> 00:37:19,907
Speaker 2: Blackadder then?

761
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:20,187
Speaker 12: And that?

762
00:37:20,467 --> 00:37:22,747
Speaker 2: And you know, given given all of that, we haven't

763
00:37:22,747 --> 00:37:24,307
Speaker 2: seen him and know he's been injured. I think last

764
00:37:24,347 --> 00:37:26,467
Speaker 2: time he played the game would have been over in

765
00:37:26,547 --> 00:37:28,467
Speaker 2: South Africa from memory, and I think we've seen him

766
00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:32,307
Speaker 2: since that. What do you predict for Ethan Blackadder?

767
00:37:33,787 --> 00:37:37,707
Speaker 11: He probably needs to have a synonen without obviously these

768
00:37:38,027 --> 00:37:40,467
Speaker 11: minor injuries, but that's that's just a testament of how

769
00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:45,187
Speaker 11: he plays quite like his father obviously just gets in there,

770
00:37:45,267 --> 00:37:48,267
Speaker 11: gets stuck in and no respect for his body as such.

771
00:37:48,347 --> 00:37:51,267
Speaker 11: But if he can maintain injury free, then you know

772
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:54,547
Speaker 11: he could have essentially also be in the written for

773
00:37:54,587 --> 00:37:59,267
Speaker 11: that number six position too. So I think we've to

774
00:37:59,467 --> 00:38:01,947
Speaker 11: have good depth, particularly in the front row. The loose

775
00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:04,507
Speaker 11: forward's locks, yep, are probably a bit of a question

776
00:38:04,627 --> 00:38:07,947
Speaker 11: mark around the depth there. But obviously with Sam Derry

777
00:38:08,067 --> 00:38:11,907
Speaker 11: and two pot VII, Josh Lord and obviously they established

778
00:38:11,907 --> 00:38:13,827
Speaker 11: toy below to and bear it there as well. So

779
00:38:14,107 --> 00:38:17,387
Speaker 11: but I think I think all ma have got you know,

780
00:38:18,027 --> 00:38:20,147
Speaker 11: good good depth, as I said in the loose forwards.

781
00:38:20,707 --> 00:38:22,627
Speaker 2: Indeed, do we know if there's a test in Duneda

782
00:38:22,707 --> 00:38:24,587
Speaker 2: next year? Are you hearing anything? I'm I'm not sure

783
00:38:24,587 --> 00:38:26,067
Speaker 2: whether the schedule has been announced? Are we going to

784
00:38:26,107 --> 00:38:27,027
Speaker 2: be down your way again?

785
00:38:28,267 --> 00:38:30,787
Speaker 11: Well, there's probably one person who know that would be

786
00:38:30,787 --> 00:38:34,627
Speaker 11: Paul Allison. He's always always kind of been to the ground.

787
00:38:34,467 --> 00:38:34,707
Speaker 6: So.

788
00:38:36,187 --> 00:38:38,267
Speaker 11: Yep, so I could get on the blow, but I'd

789
00:38:38,347 --> 00:38:40,667
Speaker 11: be fantastic for us. It's bened and got another case

790
00:38:40,707 --> 00:38:43,667
Speaker 11: before Obviously this stadium sort of kicks off in christ

791
00:38:43,787 --> 00:38:46,707
Speaker 11: Church but that looks impressive as well.

792
00:38:47,147 --> 00:38:48,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've never had a bad time in Dunedin,

793
00:38:49,107 --> 00:38:51,307
Speaker 2: so I hope there's one next year for us. Paul,

794
00:38:51,587 --> 00:38:53,707
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us, mate, Thanks for being part of

795
00:38:53,707 --> 00:38:55,707
Speaker 2: our team across the across the year. Look forward to

796
00:38:55,707 --> 00:38:56,547
Speaker 2: catching up next year.

797
00:38:56,747 --> 00:38:58,867
Speaker 11: No, we're you two by thinks so much?

798
00:38:59,027 --> 00:39:00,107
Speaker 4: Is all this? Mate?

799
00:39:00,187 --> 00:39:03,427
Speaker 2: Cheers? That's former former All Black number eight and and yeah,

800
00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:06,227
Speaker 2: our expert commentator whenever we go to test matches in Dunedin.

801
00:39:07,227 --> 00:39:07,427
Speaker 17: Yeah.

802
00:39:07,467 --> 00:39:09,947
Speaker 2: A good man, a really good man with some interesting thoughts.

803
00:39:09,947 --> 00:39:12,027
Speaker 2: The loose forward trio was one i'd want to I'd

804
00:39:12,067 --> 00:39:15,347
Speaker 2: quite like to unpack with you. Your turn now, Oh

805
00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:17,707
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've heard from Jason Ryan,

806
00:39:17,947 --> 00:39:21,907
Speaker 2: you've heard from Paul Miller, you've watched the game. You

807
00:39:21,907 --> 00:39:23,867
Speaker 2: can give us your thoughts on the game if you like.

808
00:39:24,347 --> 00:39:25,907
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree. As I said before,

809
00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:28,907
Speaker 2: not a great test, not not one of the great

810
00:39:28,947 --> 00:39:32,507
Speaker 2: rugby tests. I think you'd be accused of cruel and

811
00:39:32,627 --> 00:39:35,467
Speaker 2: unusual punishment if you made somebody watch that back. I

812
00:39:35,507 --> 00:39:37,147
Speaker 2: know they'll watch it back and try and pick some

813
00:39:37,147 --> 00:39:39,067
Speaker 2: things out of it. But the fact is, at the

814
00:39:39,107 --> 00:39:40,907
Speaker 2: end of a year. It probably isn't going to be

815
00:39:41,027 --> 00:39:43,427
Speaker 2: used too much in the reviews as a but a

816
00:39:43,427 --> 00:39:46,747
Speaker 2: bit too much kicking, too many stoppages, too many scrum resets.

817
00:39:46,787 --> 00:39:50,147
Speaker 2: Took ages for set peace to form. As I've said

818
00:39:50,147 --> 00:39:51,427
Speaker 2: a couple of times, I think if you were trying

819
00:39:51,427 --> 00:39:53,827
Speaker 2: to convert somebody to the game of rugby, this wouldn't

820
00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:56,267
Speaker 2: be the game you'd make them watch. But what about

821
00:39:56,267 --> 00:40:00,067
Speaker 2: the year you have watched the year unfold as well?

822
00:40:00,187 --> 00:40:05,747
Speaker 2: So give us your analysis of the first year under

823
00:40:05,747 --> 00:40:09,667
Speaker 2: Scott Roberts. Let's put together razors report card, Let's grade

824
00:40:10,027 --> 00:40:12,347
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four together. You can do it with the

825
00:40:12,347 --> 00:40:14,707
Speaker 2: mark out of ten if you like, or an old

826
00:40:14,747 --> 00:40:20,707
Speaker 2: fashioned report card grade ABC A minus B plus B

827
00:40:20,827 --> 00:40:23,627
Speaker 2: minus C plus anything you like. Add some context of

828
00:40:23,627 --> 00:40:26,107
Speaker 2: course through your comments. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

829
00:40:26,227 --> 00:40:31,667
Speaker 2: eighty players of the year, the candidates for Player of

830
00:40:31,707 --> 00:40:36,347
Speaker 2: the Year. I've got five written down here as my

831
00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:41,347
Speaker 2: candidates for Player of the Year. Wallace Setiti, Cody Taylor,

832
00:40:42,267 --> 00:40:47,667
Speaker 2: Caleb Clark, two Port Vayi and Tyrell Lomax. Those are

833
00:40:47,707 --> 00:40:50,307
Speaker 2: the five players. As I ran an eye down the

834
00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:54,467
Speaker 2: list of forty two players who have worn the black

835
00:40:54,507 --> 00:40:58,027
Speaker 2: jersey this year that I landed on. Who else diod

836
00:40:58,027 --> 00:41:00,907
Speaker 2: that for you? And which positions are up for grabs

837
00:41:00,907 --> 00:41:06,987
Speaker 2: next year? Open Side without a doubt as won Blindside

838
00:41:07,067 --> 00:41:08,667
Speaker 2: might be as well, depending on what they do. With

839
00:41:08,747 --> 00:41:11,307
Speaker 2: Artie Savia and Wallace Tatiti, who I think we all

840
00:41:11,347 --> 00:41:15,587
Speaker 2: agree as part of the best loose forward trio moving forward.

841
00:41:15,587 --> 00:41:18,067
Speaker 2: In fact, they both are so Wallace a Titi and

842
00:41:18,187 --> 00:41:21,067
Speaker 2: Artie Savia, So let's just say the loose trio. What's

843
00:41:21,107 --> 00:41:24,067
Speaker 2: the best loose trio for us next year? Who wears six,

844
00:41:24,147 --> 00:41:26,707
Speaker 2: seven and eight? Even though those jerseys now don't really

845
00:41:26,747 --> 00:41:27,947
Speaker 2: mean a heck of a lot in terms of the

846
00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:31,067
Speaker 2: duties that you do, Artie Saviku wear any number wouldn't matter.

847
00:41:31,147 --> 00:41:33,627
Speaker 2: Same with Wallace a Titi. He wore eight all season

848
00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:37,867
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs, only wore eight I think twice for

849
00:41:37,907 --> 00:41:40,267
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, and one of those test matches was

850
00:41:40,947 --> 00:41:43,307
Speaker 2: the one when Summer Penny Female went off in about

851
00:41:43,307 --> 00:41:46,147
Speaker 2: the first ninety seconds, so it didn't actually end up

852
00:41:46,147 --> 00:41:48,067
Speaker 2: playing number eight anyway. The other one was against Japan,

853
00:41:48,587 --> 00:41:51,467
Speaker 2: So yeah, lots to discuss, lots to unpack. Eight hundred

854
00:41:51,507 --> 00:41:53,427
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is our number if you'd like

855
00:41:53,467 --> 00:42:01,547
Speaker 2: to jump aboard. How are you Chris? Hello Chris, Hello,

856
00:42:02,147 --> 00:42:04,347
Speaker 2: oh Christopher, how are you? My friend?

857
00:42:05,867 --> 00:42:06,827
Speaker 18: Not bad yourself?

858
00:42:07,187 --> 00:42:09,067
Speaker 2: I'm good. You tell like you're going through a tunnel

859
00:42:09,107 --> 00:42:10,147
Speaker 2: or something. Mate, can you hear me?

860
00:42:10,187 --> 00:42:14,907
Speaker 18: Okay, yeah, yeah, we're just going up to all tacky.

861
00:42:15,587 --> 00:42:19,107
Speaker 18: But then sorry, So at the.

862
00:42:19,027 --> 00:42:21,627
Speaker 2: Moment, what did you make of the game this morning?

863
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:23,467
Speaker 2: And what do you make of the all Blacks on

864
00:42:23,547 --> 00:42:25,507
Speaker 2: the whole? What are you? What are you landing on?

865
00:42:27,147 --> 00:42:30,267
Speaker 18: Oh? I mean this morning, If I'm being honest, I

866
00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:31,867
Speaker 18: was quite disappointed.

867
00:42:32,907 --> 00:42:33,467
Speaker 12: With the game.

868
00:42:33,627 --> 00:42:37,747
Speaker 18: I mean, yeah, it's Italy. They should have beaten on

869
00:42:37,907 --> 00:42:39,507
Speaker 18: by a lot more. They should have at least put

870
00:42:39,547 --> 00:42:42,827
Speaker 18: two or three more times. I mean, no disrespect to

871
00:42:42,867 --> 00:42:46,227
Speaker 18: Italy and all. They played alright in the defense, Yeah,

872
00:42:46,307 --> 00:42:51,107
Speaker 18: all Blacks were very sloppy. Was not their best performance

873
00:42:51,187 --> 00:42:51,547
Speaker 18: at all?

874
00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:54,227
Speaker 2: No, it certainly wasn't. Hey, Chris, I'm going to leave

875
00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:55,627
Speaker 2: you go, mate, because it sounds like you're in the

876
00:42:55,627 --> 00:42:57,987
Speaker 2: bottom of a submarine or something like that. We can't

877
00:42:58,027 --> 00:43:00,347
Speaker 2: quite hear you. I always enjoy chatting to your mates,

878
00:43:00,387 --> 00:43:02,587
Speaker 2: so maybe we can do it another time when when

879
00:43:02,627 --> 00:43:05,307
Speaker 2: the line's a little bit better, enjoy the drive, enjoy

880
00:43:05,307 --> 00:43:07,347
Speaker 2: your day up on the copany, Chris, thanks for calling

881
00:43:07,387 --> 00:43:11,587
Speaker 2: in O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, Grant,

882
00:43:12,107 --> 00:43:15,227
Speaker 2: what are you? What's top of your All Black's mind?

883
00:43:16,267 --> 00:43:18,907
Speaker 17: Well, the first I'd like to say, Piney, it's not

884
00:43:18,947 --> 00:43:21,907
Speaker 17: a thirty second rule of the scrums. It's a three

885
00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:24,707
Speaker 17: minute rule, and a referee doesn't take at least three

886
00:43:25,027 --> 00:43:27,747
Speaker 17: for minutes to get a thrumbdown, he will be severely.

887
00:43:30,347 --> 00:43:31,747
Speaker 2: Come on now, Grant.

888
00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:37,707
Speaker 17: Well that's what it seemed like. But anyway, yeah, I

889
00:43:37,707 --> 00:43:41,307
Speaker 17: would say six out of ten for the rating of

890
00:43:42,107 --> 00:43:44,627
Speaker 17: the All Blacks. I'll put it as if you have

891
00:43:44,827 --> 00:43:47,227
Speaker 17: you know, good, very good and great. I'll put it

892
00:43:47,267 --> 00:43:53,507
Speaker 17: as a good season. The with the loose forwards, A

893
00:43:53,547 --> 00:43:56,267
Speaker 17: lot of it will come down to form as regards

894
00:43:56,267 --> 00:44:00,267
Speaker 17: who plays weird so's it's probably a bit difficult at

895
00:44:00,347 --> 00:44:03,307
Speaker 17: the moment to say, well this player cit you should

896
00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:06,787
Speaker 17: play at six or eight or or art it's seven

897
00:44:06,947 --> 00:44:12,307
Speaker 17: or eight and so on, and so I'll wait till

898
00:44:12,387 --> 00:44:17,747
Speaker 17: next year to see the form for that. In one respect,

899
00:44:18,027 --> 00:44:22,987
Speaker 17: I think it's an almost all perfect end of season.

900
00:44:23,427 --> 00:44:28,227
Speaker 17: Fifty point went against Italy would have been the worst thing.

901
00:44:28,987 --> 00:44:33,507
Speaker 17: It would have given a false reading of the season.

902
00:44:33,587 --> 00:44:35,907
Speaker 17: I think it's a good reality check. There are all

903
00:44:35,987 --> 00:44:40,427
Speaker 17: sorts of reasons as to why it wasn't the greatest performance,

904
00:44:41,467 --> 00:44:43,867
Speaker 17: but you know, things to work on. But the thing

905
00:44:43,987 --> 00:44:47,627
Speaker 17: is the World Cups three years away, so the main thing.

906
00:44:47,667 --> 00:44:50,227
Speaker 17: As long as we keep improving each year, that's fine

907
00:44:50,267 --> 00:44:50,467
Speaker 17: with me.

908
00:44:50,987 --> 00:44:53,267
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Gr I think, look and look, I think

909
00:44:53,747 --> 00:44:55,507
Speaker 2: if we win the World Cup in twenty twenty seven,

910
00:44:55,747 --> 00:44:58,027
Speaker 2: a twenty nine to eleven win over Italy and Churin

911
00:44:58,067 --> 00:45:01,387
Speaker 2: in November of twenty twenty four will be completely irrelevant.

912
00:45:01,947 --> 00:45:05,867
Speaker 2: You know, it's like but or it could be relevant

913
00:45:05,907 --> 00:45:07,707
Speaker 2: in the sense you've just said, and that had it

914
00:45:07,787 --> 00:45:10,427
Speaker 2: been a sixty pointer, maybe there would have been going

915
00:45:10,507 --> 00:45:12,547
Speaker 2: to the new year an inflated sense of where this

916
00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:15,187
Speaker 2: All Blacks team was. I don't know which of those

917
00:45:15,227 --> 00:45:17,307
Speaker 2: two things is true, if either of those two things

918
00:45:17,347 --> 00:45:20,187
Speaker 2: are true, but yeah, I would have liked them to

919
00:45:20,267 --> 00:45:23,467
Speaker 2: have seen them be a bit more clinical this morning,

920
00:45:24,227 --> 00:45:26,267
Speaker 2: you know, to put Italy to the sword a bit

921
00:45:26,387 --> 00:45:28,867
Speaker 2: more didn't happen, and that was largely, as a couple

922
00:45:28,867 --> 00:45:30,787
Speaker 2: of quarters have said, because of the way Italy played

923
00:45:31,427 --> 00:45:37,107
Speaker 2: quick text before we move on, Where is it I

924
00:45:37,187 --> 00:45:38,987
Speaker 2: would like to know? Says this text? Here it is.

925
00:45:39,947 --> 00:45:42,467
Speaker 2: It's from Mike. I'd like to know how Razor compares

926
00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:46,107
Speaker 2: to Fozzy and Steve Hansen's first season. I'm going to

927
00:45:46,147 --> 00:45:47,627
Speaker 2: come to that in a sect, Mike. I've got some

928
00:45:47,787 --> 00:45:52,587
Speaker 2: stats for you on that very thing. Carlos, Hi, matey,

929
00:45:53,387 --> 00:45:54,907
Speaker 2: how are you very good? Carlos?

930
00:45:55,467 --> 00:45:55,707
Speaker 4: Good?

931
00:45:55,907 --> 00:46:00,347
Speaker 8: Good look pre season? If you've told me, or if

932
00:46:00,387 --> 00:46:03,187
Speaker 8: somebody's told me that it was four and eleven, I

933
00:46:03,227 --> 00:46:07,347
Speaker 8: would have been largely disappointed, which which I am. Obviously

934
00:46:07,947 --> 00:46:11,627
Speaker 8: I was thinking about two losses. But anyway, having said

935
00:46:11,667 --> 00:46:13,307
Speaker 8: all of that, i'd rate it. I would have rad

936
00:46:13,347 --> 00:46:14,867
Speaker 8: it in four and a half. I would graded a

937
00:46:14,947 --> 00:46:18,587
Speaker 8: five and a half now, for the reason being we

938
00:46:18,827 --> 00:46:22,787
Speaker 8: haven't had combinations during that whole time, or consistent combinations,

939
00:46:22,827 --> 00:46:26,867
Speaker 8: I should say, so all the different players for whatever reasons,

940
00:46:26,907 --> 00:46:31,667
Speaker 8: through injuries and things like that. I think it's going

941
00:46:31,747 --> 00:46:33,627
Speaker 8: to take time, and I think they're heading in the

942
00:46:33,707 --> 00:46:35,907
Speaker 8: right direction. Put it that way, even though the stats

943
00:46:35,947 --> 00:46:39,307
Speaker 8: don't say that as such as we as we're used to.

944
00:46:40,107 --> 00:46:42,787
Speaker 2: I think I think you're right, Carlos. I think the

945
00:46:42,947 --> 00:46:45,587
Speaker 2: trend is in the right direction, and had they won

946
00:46:45,707 --> 00:46:48,667
Speaker 2: by more this morning, you know, I think we would

947
00:46:48,707 --> 00:46:51,307
Speaker 2: have been more unequivocal in that. This morning felt like

948
00:46:51,347 --> 00:46:53,507
Speaker 2: a bit of a step back. But it wasn't as

949
00:46:53,547 --> 00:46:55,267
Speaker 2: though we sort of fell off a cliff or anything.

950
00:46:55,267 --> 00:46:57,787
Speaker 2: I wouldn't lose to Italy, you know, you look at

951
00:46:57,867 --> 00:46:59,427
Speaker 2: look at the way we've gone since we got back

952
00:46:59,427 --> 00:47:03,427
Speaker 2: from South Africa. Went over Australia in Sydney and in Wellington,

953
00:47:03,507 --> 00:47:06,147
Speaker 2: big one over Japan, beat England at Twickenham, beat Ireland

954
00:47:06,187 --> 00:47:08,907
Speaker 2: and Dublin a one point, lost to France and Paris

955
00:47:09,307 --> 00:47:11,987
Speaker 2: in a game we potentially could have won. I think

956
00:47:12,027 --> 00:47:12,987
Speaker 2: the trend is upwards.

957
00:47:14,227 --> 00:47:18,227
Speaker 8: Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, and looking forward to you know,

958
00:47:18,467 --> 00:47:21,067
Speaker 8: especially next year in that because now Race has gone

959
00:47:21,067 --> 00:47:24,067
Speaker 8: through his first season and everyone knows them. You know

960
00:47:24,227 --> 00:47:26,547
Speaker 8: that the people whom are there, the players whom are there,

961
00:47:26,587 --> 00:47:29,667
Speaker 8: they know him and everything else, and so that it

962
00:47:29,667 --> 00:47:31,987
Speaker 8: would be great. And as far as loose forwards are concerned,

963
00:47:32,147 --> 00:47:36,227
Speaker 8: I depended on their game plan and that it's still

964
00:47:36,307 --> 00:47:39,707
Speaker 8: like Dalton Papa it open. But depending what game plan

965
00:47:40,227 --> 00:47:43,027
Speaker 8: you know, which way they're heading in that direction? I

966
00:47:43,067 --> 00:47:44,987
Speaker 8: don't know. I mean, that's up to the coach obviously

967
00:47:45,107 --> 00:47:49,587
Speaker 8: or Jason Ryan, you know, and assistant coaches. But I

968
00:47:49,707 --> 00:47:51,227
Speaker 8: think that guy's got a lot to offer.

969
00:47:52,067 --> 00:47:55,107
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I thought he was going to be

970
00:47:55,227 --> 00:47:57,587
Speaker 2: the one, and he started the first two Tests of

971
00:47:57,627 --> 00:47:59,827
Speaker 2: the year he played. He played in the seven Jersey

972
00:47:59,907 --> 00:48:02,907
Speaker 2: against England and Dunedin and again against England at Auckland,

973
00:48:03,627 --> 00:48:07,947
Speaker 2: and then played against Argentina and well Ellington and Argentina

974
00:48:08,027 --> 00:48:10,787
Speaker 2: in Auckland. So he played the first or four of

975
00:48:10,867 --> 00:48:12,787
Speaker 2: the first five Tests, and if you take out the

976
00:48:12,827 --> 00:48:15,427
Speaker 2: Figi Test, where a lot of kind of second string

977
00:48:15,507 --> 00:48:17,747
Speaker 2: has got a game, he was first choice number seven

978
00:48:17,787 --> 00:48:20,587
Speaker 2: for the first four of the big Test matches and

979
00:48:21,027 --> 00:48:23,667
Speaker 2: from memory I think he was. He was left out

980
00:48:23,987 --> 00:48:26,387
Speaker 2: in South Africa and then got injured and we haven't

981
00:48:26,387 --> 00:48:28,427
Speaker 2: seen him since. But Dalton Poppoli is still a very

982
00:48:28,467 --> 00:48:29,307
Speaker 2: good rugby.

983
00:48:29,027 --> 00:48:32,587
Speaker 8: Player, absolutely, And the other thing he's got to offer

984
00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:36,507
Speaker 8: besides his talent there on the field is mentally wise

985
00:48:36,587 --> 00:48:38,547
Speaker 8: and off the field. I mean, the guy is so

986
00:48:38,747 --> 00:48:41,027
Speaker 8: mature for his age and I think there's a big

987
00:48:41,147 --> 00:48:41,827
Speaker 8: future for him.

988
00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:45,267
Speaker 2: He's very highly regarded. Hey, just before yo, Karlos, I'm

989
00:48:45,267 --> 00:48:46,667
Speaker 2: just going to do a little test on you does

990
00:48:46,827 --> 00:48:49,307
Speaker 2: your guts field? How many? How many new All Blacks

991
00:48:49,387 --> 00:48:52,467
Speaker 2: did you? Do you think the All Blacks used forty

992
00:48:52,507 --> 00:48:54,747
Speaker 2: two players this year? How many new All Blacks do

993
00:48:54,787 --> 00:48:57,547
Speaker 2: you think? Raisor cappeds have a guess?

994
00:48:58,507 --> 00:49:01,867
Speaker 8: Oh I don't, would never clue new all blacks?

995
00:49:02,427 --> 00:49:02,627
Speaker 6: Yep?

996
00:49:03,067 --> 00:49:03,787
Speaker 4: How many? How many?

997
00:49:03,827 --> 00:49:05,867
Speaker 2: How many All Blacks made their debut this year?

998
00:49:07,227 --> 00:49:07,667
Speaker 16: Would it be.

999
00:49:09,547 --> 00:49:10,547
Speaker 8: Our game for five?

1000
00:49:11,227 --> 00:49:11,387
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1001
00:49:11,427 --> 00:49:14,787
Speaker 2: See it's actually ten ten new All Blacks this year? Yeah,

1002
00:49:15,227 --> 00:49:18,147
Speaker 2: that seemed high to me as well. Thanks for taking

1003
00:49:18,147 --> 00:49:19,867
Speaker 2: the test, Carlos. I threw that on you, mate, But

1004
00:49:21,427 --> 00:49:25,027
Speaker 2: have a good afternoon mate, you t tests pony, all right, Carlos,

1005
00:49:25,147 --> 00:49:27,587
Speaker 2: take it easy. Yeah, ten new All Blacks because somebody

1006
00:49:27,707 --> 00:49:31,747
Speaker 2: sent through a thing saying, you know, Raiser needs to

1007
00:49:31,787 --> 00:49:36,267
Speaker 2: blood more new players. Ten new All Blacks, and two

1008
00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:40,107
Speaker 2: of them became, you know, really important new all blacks.

1009
00:49:40,427 --> 00:49:43,107
Speaker 2: Wallace to tit and Courtez Relatima Wallace to t t

1010
00:49:43,307 --> 00:49:46,627
Speaker 2: ten of the fourteen Test matches. Cortez Relatima played eleven

1011
00:49:47,667 --> 00:49:51,427
Speaker 2: of the fourteen Test matches this year, after debuting against

1012
00:49:51,507 --> 00:49:55,387
Speaker 2: England and Tests two. The others possibly are Tossi, Sam Dowry,

1013
00:49:55,787 --> 00:49:59,147
Speaker 2: George Bell, Peter Larkeye, Billy Proctor, Reuben Love, Noah Hotham

1014
00:49:59,267 --> 00:50:04,747
Speaker 2: and Harry Plummer. Ten new All Blacks in twenty twenty four,

1015
00:50:05,147 --> 00:50:07,947
Speaker 2: bang On twenty to one. We got one spere line there.

1016
00:50:07,987 --> 00:50:10,187
Speaker 2: I think they are filling up quickly, though. Please if

1017
00:50:10,187 --> 00:50:11,907
Speaker 2: you can't get through the first time, try again. Oh

1018
00:50:11,947 --> 00:50:13,547
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more of

1019
00:50:13,587 --> 00:50:14,987
Speaker 2: your calls on the All Blacks. Year after this.

1020
00:50:16,067 --> 00:50:19,587
Speaker 1: Those Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

1021
00:50:19,707 --> 00:50:23,747
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1022
00:50:23,787 --> 00:50:25,787
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1023
00:50:26,307 --> 00:50:28,387
Speaker 2: Twelve forty three. We're talking rag V right through till

1024
00:50:28,387 --> 00:50:30,667
Speaker 2: about one forty five, when James McConney joins us. If

1025
00:50:30,667 --> 00:50:32,347
Speaker 2: you can't get through the first time, please keep trying.

1026
00:50:32,667 --> 00:50:36,147
Speaker 2: I've mentioned about some stats for coaches. Somebody's asked about

1027
00:50:37,067 --> 00:50:40,307
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson's first year compared to some other coaches ten wins,

1028
00:50:40,347 --> 00:50:43,187
Speaker 2: four losses this year. That's a seventy one percent win record.

1029
00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:45,787
Speaker 2: Ian Foster's first year was twenty twenty, which I think

1030
00:50:45,787 --> 00:50:48,187
Speaker 2: we can count out because of COVID, but his first

1031
00:50:48,267 --> 00:50:51,667
Speaker 2: full year was twenty twenty one twelve wins, three losses

1032
00:50:52,027 --> 00:50:55,347
Speaker 2: eighty percent. For what it's worth, all right, one more

1033
00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:59,267
Speaker 2: test twelve wins, three losses. The other stat I saw

1034
00:50:59,307 --> 00:51:02,667
Speaker 2: this morning was how many tests it took a bunch

1035
00:51:02,707 --> 00:51:08,067
Speaker 2: of All Blacks coaches to reach ten victories. So, for example,

1036
00:51:09,027 --> 00:51:12,787
Speaker 2: so Steve Hanson got his tenth win in his eleventh

1037
00:51:12,907 --> 00:51:16,707
Speaker 2: test as head coach, Sir Graham Henry got his tenth

1038
00:51:16,827 --> 00:51:20,307
Speaker 2: win in his twelfth test, Ian Foster in his thirteenth,

1039
00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:23,587
Speaker 2: and this morning Scott Robertson got his tenth win in

1040
00:51:23,707 --> 00:51:26,827
Speaker 2: his fourteenth test. Again, these are just numbers. Make of

1041
00:51:26,867 --> 00:51:29,827
Speaker 2: them what you will, because John Mitchell also got his

1042
00:51:30,027 --> 00:51:33,027
Speaker 2: tenth win in his eleventh test, and I don't think

1043
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:36,467
Speaker 2: he'll go down as a great All Blacks coach. Oh,

1044
00:51:36,547 --> 00:51:38,907
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, Jase,

1045
00:51:38,947 --> 00:51:39,747
Speaker 2: thanks for holding mate.

1046
00:51:40,707 --> 00:51:42,387
Speaker 19: No, I know where it's funny, isn't it? What a

1047
00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:45,187
Speaker 19: shame at point? What a difference one point in Paris

1048
00:51:45,267 --> 00:51:45,667
Speaker 19: can make?

1049
00:51:46,147 --> 00:51:46,547
Speaker 14: Correct thing?

1050
00:51:46,547 --> 00:51:49,067
Speaker 19: Guy, I already written down a score. I'll go to

1051
00:51:49,107 --> 00:51:51,747
Speaker 19: the old school Sea grades on a C plus. If

1052
00:51:51,787 --> 00:51:53,907
Speaker 19: he had have gone through the Northern Tour unbeaten. So

1053
00:51:53,987 --> 00:51:58,067
Speaker 19: he's one point away from achieving that. I now put

1054
00:51:58,107 --> 00:52:00,787
Speaker 19: it a C minus overall the foot full season just

1055
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:03,467
Speaker 19: because of those. It's a history that know all black

1056
00:52:03,507 --> 00:52:09,187
Speaker 19: coach wants, you know, the Argentina lot, some etc. But look, hey,

1057
00:52:09,347 --> 00:52:11,107
Speaker 19: I'm going to mention something else, and I don't think

1058
00:52:11,147 --> 00:52:16,107
Speaker 19: anyone's talked about it. You cannot underestimate the transitioning of

1059
00:52:16,187 --> 00:52:19,267
Speaker 19: your Sam Kane, your farewelling of sam Kin and TJ

1060
00:52:19,467 --> 00:52:23,467
Speaker 19: Pirie are made to this whole lackluster performance. And of

1061
00:52:23,547 --> 00:52:25,067
Speaker 19: course the camp are going to deny that and they're

1062
00:52:25,067 --> 00:52:26,707
Speaker 19: going to say it was no issue, it was no distraction.

1063
00:52:26,907 --> 00:52:27,507
Speaker 20: Of course it is.

1064
00:52:28,427 --> 00:52:29,947
Speaker 19: I just think it's going to They're going to be

1065
00:52:30,027 --> 00:52:33,267
Speaker 19: better when sam Kin's gone, and I really you know,

1066
00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:37,147
Speaker 19: his contribution to you all Blacks is right up there.

1067
00:52:37,147 --> 00:52:38,347
Speaker 8: For me, I've got no issue with him.

1068
00:52:38,587 --> 00:52:41,267
Speaker 19: Same with TJ. But once they're gone and we've got

1069
00:52:41,347 --> 00:52:44,067
Speaker 19: our settled squad, I think you're going to find you're

1070
00:52:44,107 --> 00:52:46,587
Speaker 19: going to get a performance like put against Ireland two

1071
00:52:46,667 --> 00:52:49,787
Speaker 19: starts ago, performance we put against England the start before that,

1072
00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:52,467
Speaker 19: and the best performance of the whole season was the

1073
00:52:52,507 --> 00:52:54,547
Speaker 19: one we lost, and that was against France last week.

1074
00:52:54,587 --> 00:52:55,147
Speaker 16: Funny enough.

1075
00:52:55,787 --> 00:52:58,027
Speaker 19: So for me, I just don't think enough can be

1076
00:52:58,147 --> 00:53:01,747
Speaker 19: said about you know, let's get these legacy players gone,

1077
00:53:03,227 --> 00:53:05,427
Speaker 19: get the squad set alled and stop talking about you

1078
00:53:05,507 --> 00:53:07,947
Speaker 19: know Farewell that, you know, your Sam Knes and that,

1079
00:53:08,027 --> 00:53:10,027
Speaker 19: and I think we might see something a bit special

1080
00:53:10,107 --> 00:53:10,507
Speaker 19: next year.

1081
00:53:10,907 --> 00:53:13,107
Speaker 2: A couple of questions on that, then, Jason, do you

1082
00:53:13,867 --> 00:53:17,867
Speaker 2: do you think both were there in the squad on Merit?

1083
00:53:21,747 --> 00:53:26,627
Speaker 19: I wow, no, Okay, TJ, I say no. I think

1084
00:53:26,667 --> 00:53:29,827
Speaker 19: we finally answered the who's the best you know half

1085
00:53:29,867 --> 00:53:32,547
Speaker 19: back in the country and he played today and TJ

1086
00:53:32,907 --> 00:53:35,947
Speaker 19: was there really just well what do you call it?

1087
00:53:36,627 --> 00:53:36,987
Speaker 8: Out of.

1088
00:53:38,787 --> 00:53:43,027
Speaker 19: Respect and just as his his track record.

1089
00:53:43,107 --> 00:53:46,307
Speaker 2: Sam do just yeah, sorry, yeah, we'll get to Canaan

1090
00:53:46,307 --> 00:53:48,947
Speaker 2: a minute. So with TJ. Then, so they took three

1091
00:53:48,947 --> 00:53:50,787
Speaker 2: half backs Camera Reguard, Yes we all know. I mean

1092
00:53:50,827 --> 00:53:54,187
Speaker 2: what a player Courtiers Lantima I think is the number two.

1093
00:53:55,187 --> 00:53:57,187
Speaker 2: I still I still think TJ is there on Merit

1094
00:53:57,267 --> 00:53:58,227
Speaker 2: is the third best, isn't he?

1095
00:53:59,787 --> 00:53:59,947
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1096
00:54:00,027 --> 00:54:02,187
Speaker 19: The third best by Mark. So there's a gap between

1097
00:54:02,227 --> 00:54:04,027
Speaker 19: one and two, and there's an even bigger gap between

1098
00:54:04,067 --> 00:54:07,627
Speaker 19: one and three. So I think you would we have

1099
00:54:07,707 --> 00:54:11,107
Speaker 19: needed to play him if it was a World Cup tournament. No,

1100
00:54:11,707 --> 00:54:13,747
Speaker 19: I'd say no. I think the other two sort of

1101
00:54:13,787 --> 00:54:16,027
Speaker 19: stood out. Of course we had to take him because

1102
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:20,267
Speaker 19: you know, Norton to it. But no, and going to

1103
00:54:20,267 --> 00:54:23,187
Speaker 19: see hm Kine equally, I think, funny enough the All

1104
00:54:23,267 --> 00:54:25,627
Speaker 19: Blacks and I'm going to say something really contentious here,

1105
00:54:25,627 --> 00:54:28,347
Speaker 19: and I'm not meaning to downgrade the guy. The All

1106
00:54:28,427 --> 00:54:30,987
Speaker 19: Blacks in that second half of the one point loss

1107
00:54:31,067 --> 00:54:33,747
Speaker 19: in the World Cup, so they paid better without him

1108
00:54:33,907 --> 00:54:34,587
Speaker 19: with forteen men.

1109
00:54:36,027 --> 00:54:39,147
Speaker 2: H Yeah, No, sorry, Joe, I've got a move mate

1110
00:54:39,307 --> 00:54:41,227
Speaker 2: that is contentious, as you know. The other thing I

1111
00:54:41,307 --> 00:54:42,627
Speaker 2: was going to ask you, I was going to ask

1112
00:54:42,667 --> 00:54:44,387
Speaker 2: you how you talked about how it became a distraction.

1113
00:54:44,747 --> 00:54:46,227
Speaker 2: Don't you think the All Blacks and they said this

1114
00:54:46,347 --> 00:54:49,547
Speaker 2: all week would have wanted to put on a good

1115
00:54:49,627 --> 00:54:52,787
Speaker 2: performance to send off too big servants like that. Don't

1116
00:54:52,787 --> 00:54:55,507
Speaker 2: you think it would have actually been a positive motivation

1117
00:54:55,707 --> 00:54:56,027
Speaker 2: for them.

1118
00:54:56,867 --> 00:54:57,627
Speaker 20: That was a distraction.

1119
00:54:57,747 --> 00:54:59,427
Speaker 19: I'm making a point of the thinking more of that

1120
00:54:59,587 --> 00:55:01,307
Speaker 19: than doing what they did the week before, and just

1121
00:55:01,347 --> 00:55:03,187
Speaker 19: forget about that and just play the game in front

1122
00:55:03,227 --> 00:55:04,227
Speaker 19: of them in the opposition.

1123
00:55:04,507 --> 00:55:06,147
Speaker 8: So I think you just aren't interrupted.

1124
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:10,067
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason, always good chatting to you mate. Thanks indeed,

1125
00:55:10,147 --> 00:55:10,667
Speaker 2: can I Mark?

1126
00:55:12,187 --> 00:55:15,427
Speaker 22: Hey Parney, Yeah, special, thanks to TGS. He's been one

1127
00:55:15,467 --> 00:55:18,467
Speaker 22: of the great hurricanes and year. It's good to see

1128
00:55:18,547 --> 00:55:19,987
Speaker 22: him come back and I thought he had a great

1129
00:55:20,027 --> 00:55:22,267
Speaker 22: season and then he deserved to be on that tour

1130
00:55:22,307 --> 00:55:25,187
Speaker 22: on mirror not just because he's been there and years.

1131
00:55:25,427 --> 00:55:28,347
Speaker 22: It's great to see that. And Sam Kine obviously, you

1132
00:55:28,427 --> 00:55:31,747
Speaker 22: know the psychological garbage that people throw on that guy was.

1133
00:55:32,187 --> 00:55:34,067
Speaker 22: I don't think I've ever seen anything, you know, the

1134
00:55:34,147 --> 00:55:36,787
Speaker 22: queen at post the moment he couldn't give his stuff

1135
00:55:36,867 --> 00:55:37,667
Speaker 22: sometimes for him.

1136
00:55:39,107 --> 00:55:42,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look he's been, he's been. Look he's been. I

1137
00:55:43,027 --> 00:55:46,027
Speaker 2: think he's been unfairly maligned. And anybody who wears the

1138
00:55:46,027 --> 00:55:48,027
Speaker 2: seven jersey after Richie McCaul is going to find it

1139
00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:50,907
Speaker 2: very difficult. But you look at his body of work,

1140
00:55:50,947 --> 00:55:53,307
Speaker 2: in particular on the defensive side of the ball, and

1141
00:55:53,387 --> 00:55:55,507
Speaker 2: I can't remember too many more rugged defenders. And that

1142
00:55:55,627 --> 00:55:58,427
Speaker 2: Irish quarterfinal last year, Mark, I think is a legacy game.

1143
00:55:58,507 --> 00:56:00,507
Speaker 2: That's that's the game. When I think of Sam Kaine,

1144
00:56:00,627 --> 00:56:02,347
Speaker 2: I'm going to think of the quarter final against Ireland

1145
00:56:02,427 --> 00:56:02,827
Speaker 2: last year.

1146
00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:06,467
Speaker 22: Yeah, and I remember remember hearing the super REDI this

1147
00:56:06,627 --> 00:56:09,867
Speaker 22: season season one time he was he's a top techler,

1148
00:56:09,947 --> 00:56:11,627
Speaker 22: So I mean, you know he's not he's good on

1149
00:56:11,707 --> 00:56:14,147
Speaker 22: both sides of the ball, and he's Yeah, as you say,

1150
00:56:14,227 --> 00:56:17,827
Speaker 22: after Richie mccawy, you sort of put a bit of

1151
00:56:17,867 --> 00:56:21,107
Speaker 22: a big hell to climb. I guess at the beginning

1152
00:56:21,147 --> 00:56:23,027
Speaker 22: of the season we were saying so too too was

1153
00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:25,467
Speaker 22: the titi. I think James mccanney made up the song

1154
00:56:25,507 --> 00:56:28,587
Speaker 22: A better Me came down on the wrong side of that,

1155
00:56:28,787 --> 00:56:32,387
Speaker 22: because yeah, I picked the two teams. Yeah, obviously has

1156
00:56:32,427 --> 00:56:35,707
Speaker 22: been one of the outstanding players. For me, black Head,

1157
00:56:35,707 --> 00:56:37,547
Speaker 22: it would be my third day lou Sport. I think

1158
00:56:37,547 --> 00:56:40,107
Speaker 22: that'd be a great trio, those three running around the

1159
00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:43,147
Speaker 22: field on the wing and doing what they do. But yeah,

1160
00:56:43,147 --> 00:56:45,387
Speaker 22: I think overall it's been been a great season and

1161
00:56:45,427 --> 00:56:48,547
Speaker 22: I think I've on what's probably going to be the

1162
00:56:48,667 --> 00:56:52,387
Speaker 22: going forward the team. It's good to see God and

1163
00:56:52,427 --> 00:56:54,027
Speaker 22: I picked him at number ten at the beginning of

1164
00:56:54,107 --> 00:56:56,227
Speaker 22: the season, and I'm he's found his way there. I

1165
00:56:56,267 --> 00:56:58,627
Speaker 22: think he's been growing in the last three or four

1166
00:56:58,707 --> 00:57:00,587
Speaker 22: games and the numbers didn't getting better and better, and

1167
00:57:00,707 --> 00:57:03,027
Speaker 22: I mean you've got to have that time. I mean,

1168
00:57:03,067 --> 00:57:05,867
Speaker 22: even though he's an experienced player, he's still going to

1169
00:57:05,907 --> 00:57:09,427
Speaker 22: have those to be in there and get better in it,

1170
00:57:09,547 --> 00:57:11,547
Speaker 22: you know. And I think he has got better at it.

1171
00:57:11,547 --> 00:57:13,907
Speaker 22: And I think he's wanted a number three in as

1172
00:57:13,947 --> 00:57:15,787
Speaker 22: long as Ricky to come.

1173
00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:18,907
Speaker 2: Back, which I think he probably is going to come back.

1174
00:57:18,987 --> 00:57:19,187
Speaker 12: Mark.

1175
00:57:19,347 --> 00:57:21,667
Speaker 2: I thought Boden was a steady hand this morning, you know,

1176
00:57:21,787 --> 00:57:25,267
Speaker 2: in a pretty disjointed sort of a performance by a

1177
00:57:25,347 --> 00:57:27,027
Speaker 2: lot of players with errors and things like that, I

1178
00:57:27,067 --> 00:57:29,547
Speaker 2: thought I thought Boden Barrett was a steady hand this morning.

1179
00:57:29,627 --> 00:57:31,427
Speaker 2: I thought he controlled things pretty well. It was probably

1180
00:57:31,467 --> 00:57:34,827
Speaker 2: a Test match that suited him more than a Damian

1181
00:57:34,907 --> 00:57:37,027
Speaker 2: Mackenzie at first five. I know it's still a live

1182
00:57:37,067 --> 00:57:40,147
Speaker 2: conversation and will get even live if that's a word,

1183
00:57:40,547 --> 00:57:44,667
Speaker 2: when and if Richie morlonger comes back, which is heavily

1184
00:57:44,827 --> 00:57:47,507
Speaker 2: rumored to be happening in the middle of next year.

1185
00:57:48,747 --> 00:57:52,707
Speaker 12: Hey, Brent, hey Jason are here this afternoon?

1186
00:57:53,027 --> 00:57:53,227
Speaker 14: Brent?

1187
00:57:53,307 --> 00:57:53,467
Speaker 3: Tom?

1188
00:57:53,507 --> 00:57:54,387
Speaker 2: Great? How are you mate?

1189
00:57:55,707 --> 00:57:57,227
Speaker 12: Two per biased a Player.

1190
00:57:56,987 --> 00:57:57,387
Speaker 16: Of the Year.

1191
00:57:58,387 --> 00:58:00,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, good choice, good choice.

1192
00:58:02,427 --> 00:58:06,227
Speaker 12: I think the backline is letting the forwards down. The

1193
00:58:06,387 --> 00:58:08,867
Speaker 12: amount of work that the forwards to the amount of

1194
00:58:08,907 --> 00:58:11,947
Speaker 12: ball that they set up and what have you. I

1195
00:58:12,067 --> 00:58:19,387
Speaker 12: would have Jordan and Juanne on the wings, Jordi barred

1196
00:58:19,387 --> 00:58:24,547
Speaker 12: at fullback, Billy Procter at center. We might have to

1197
00:58:24,587 --> 00:58:27,827
Speaker 12: look for a new second five eight. But I think

1198
00:58:27,907 --> 00:58:34,067
Speaker 12: the the setting up of the outsides. Jordan seems to

1199
00:58:34,107 --> 00:58:37,667
Speaker 12: be a little bit greedy and Eannie has always been

1200
00:58:37,747 --> 00:58:42,107
Speaker 12: like that. So put him back on the wing and

1201
00:58:43,067 --> 00:58:44,947
Speaker 12: Jordi barred at fullback, so.

1202
00:58:45,027 --> 00:58:47,467
Speaker 2: I don't reckon them. So you're you're leaving Caleb Clark

1203
00:58:47,507 --> 00:58:48,467
Speaker 2: out of you back three then in.

1204
00:58:48,507 --> 00:58:54,547
Speaker 12: That case, well yeah, as a starter, yeah, because.

1205
00:58:54,347 --> 00:58:55,827
Speaker 2: I think he's been an exceptional. In fact, I think

1206
00:58:55,867 --> 00:58:58,387
Speaker 2: he's been the bank of the year Kayleb Clark.

1207
00:58:58,547 --> 00:59:01,067
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't disagree with that. But

1208
00:59:01,427 --> 00:59:05,907
Speaker 12: about what I'm saying is that Jordan and Ewanne don't

1209
00:59:05,907 --> 00:59:08,667
Speaker 12: seem to be to set up. And there's a couple

1210
00:59:08,667 --> 00:59:11,827
Speaker 12: of times today when Jordan was running there and he

1211
00:59:12,027 --> 00:59:16,147
Speaker 12: ran his outside out of position and a ran amount

1212
00:59:16,187 --> 00:59:22,267
Speaker 12: of space and instead of staying alive and passing the ball,

1213
00:59:23,187 --> 00:59:25,227
Speaker 12: and that seems to be a dying art with these fellows.

1214
00:59:25,507 --> 00:59:27,707
Speaker 12: But they said the amount of work that the forwards do,

1215
00:59:28,387 --> 00:59:31,427
Speaker 12: I think the Backlind is not working like it should.

1216
00:59:32,587 --> 00:59:35,187
Speaker 2: Yep, Brent, I would agree that they certainly haven't been

1217
00:59:35,227 --> 00:59:38,227
Speaker 2: as cohesive as I'm sure they would have hoped. Like

1218
00:59:38,307 --> 00:59:39,987
Speaker 2: I said when I did my five Players of the

1219
00:59:40,067 --> 00:59:44,587
Speaker 2: Year or you know, candidates won back Caleb Clark, that's it.

1220
00:59:45,987 --> 00:59:48,507
Speaker 2: So I think it's been a year where forwards have

1221
00:59:48,827 --> 00:59:52,987
Speaker 2: been the better performers for the All Blacks. I think

1222
00:59:53,027 --> 00:59:55,307
Speaker 2: they're all in on Will Jordan at fullback. I think

1223
00:59:55,347 --> 00:59:58,987
Speaker 2: that is That is absolutely Scott Robertson's state of mind.

1224
01:00:00,147 --> 01:00:04,947
Speaker 2: And I think ricco Yoanni has basically said, I'm a center.

1225
01:00:05,547 --> 01:00:07,467
Speaker 2: It's a live DISCUSSI though seven to one us talks

1226
01:00:07,507 --> 01:00:09,107
Speaker 2: EB when it's.

1227
01:00:09,027 --> 01:00:12,267
Speaker 1: Down to the line. You made a call on eighty

1228
01:00:12,387 --> 01:00:16,147
Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Paine, News Talks.

1229
01:00:16,027 --> 01:00:18,667
Speaker 2: B four to one more Rugby after one, Liam Napier

1230
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:20,027
Speaker 2: from the New Zealand here are going to join us?

1231
01:00:20,027 --> 01:00:22,827
Speaker 2: Then the lines are open again. Hayden Wilds on the

1232
01:00:22,827 --> 01:00:25,907
Speaker 2: show after two, reflecting on his excellent year. Our top

1233
01:00:26,027 --> 01:00:30,347
Speaker 2: Men a triathlet from Glenn Jason ten out of fourteen

1234
01:00:30,387 --> 01:00:32,547
Speaker 2: seventy one percent one rate lost of Argentina at home.

1235
01:00:32,787 --> 01:00:35,347
Speaker 2: I'm convincing today, very messy and some bad calls last

1236
01:00:35,387 --> 01:00:37,667
Speaker 2: week against France. So I'd give the season five and

1237
01:00:37,707 --> 01:00:39,747
Speaker 2: a half, maybe six out of ten. I think many

1238
01:00:39,787 --> 01:00:42,347
Speaker 2: of us will be dissatisfied after all the hype around

1239
01:00:42,427 --> 01:00:46,427
Speaker 2: racist credentials. Hopefully his second year will be a big improvement.

1240
01:00:46,587 --> 01:00:48,227
Speaker 2: Thank you, Glenn more After one.

1241
01:00:49,307 --> 01:00:53,467
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1242
01:00:54,267 --> 01:00:59,147
Speaker 1: the big controversies, and the big conversations. It's all on

1243
01:00:59,307 --> 01:01:03,067
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1244
01:01:03,547 --> 01:01:04,427
Speaker 1: News Talks ed B.

1245
01:01:06,707 --> 01:01:09,187
Speaker 2: Seven. Welcome in or welcome back, as the case may be.

1246
01:01:09,987 --> 01:01:13,587
Speaker 2: I forgot to do Guess the grunter last hour. That

1247
01:01:13,747 --> 01:01:16,107
Speaker 2: was silly, wasn't it. I will have to do it

1248
01:01:16,187 --> 01:01:20,067
Speaker 2: twice next hour. But we have ASB Classic Tennis tickets

1249
01:01:20,107 --> 01:01:22,907
Speaker 2: to give away this hour and next hour. We've got

1250
01:01:22,947 --> 01:01:25,827
Speaker 2: three double passes. Guess the Grunter is the way we've

1251
01:01:25,867 --> 01:01:27,387
Speaker 2: decided to do this. All you have to do is

1252
01:01:27,427 --> 01:01:32,267
Speaker 2: guess who the tennis players who's making grunting sounds during

1253
01:01:32,307 --> 01:01:35,987
Speaker 2: a game. Obviously that will be that something you can

1254
01:01:36,067 --> 01:01:40,067
Speaker 2: listen out for this hour and next hour. James mcconey

1255
01:01:40,107 --> 01:01:41,987
Speaker 2: around one forty five, we're going to dedicate the next

1256
01:01:41,987 --> 01:01:43,707
Speaker 2: three quarters of an hour or so to the rugby though,

1257
01:01:44,227 --> 01:01:48,467
Speaker 2: including Liam Napier. Very shortly your calls as well. Welcome

1258
01:01:48,627 --> 01:01:51,307
Speaker 2: Michael on textkdo Jason. Sam Kaine's been a great servant

1259
01:01:51,347 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 2: to the Black Jersey. I believe he was a reluctant

1260
01:01:53,827 --> 01:01:56,987
Speaker 2: captain and played his best as a non captain. He

1261
01:01:57,107 --> 01:01:59,227
Speaker 2: reminds me bit of Ross Taylor when he captained the team.

1262
01:01:59,707 --> 01:02:01,387
Speaker 2: When he was relieved of those duties, he did what

1263
01:02:01,467 --> 01:02:03,987
Speaker 2: he did best. I think Sam Kane was pretty good

1264
01:02:04,427 --> 01:02:08,507
Speaker 2: in that capacity last year, certainly in that quarter final.

1265
01:02:08,547 --> 01:02:10,667
Speaker 2: As I said in the last hour, when I remember

1266
01:02:10,707 --> 01:02:14,147
Speaker 2: Sam Kine, I will remember that quarterfinal of the Rugby

1267
01:02:14,187 --> 01:02:16,547
Speaker 2: World Cup last year. Keep your text coming though. Nine

1268
01:02:16,627 --> 01:02:18,547
Speaker 2: two nine two is the text line. Oh eight hundred

1269
01:02:18,547 --> 01:02:21,067
Speaker 2: and eighty ten point eighty to get through on the phone.

1270
01:02:20,907 --> 01:02:24,187
Speaker 3: Full left hand side vote and Barrett Jordan at this time.

1271
01:02:24,307 --> 01:02:28,907
Speaker 3: Well Jordan made the break, now complete the try scoring action,

1272
01:02:29,107 --> 01:02:30,427
Speaker 3: fifteen points to six.

1273
01:02:30,707 --> 01:02:33,507
Speaker 2: Their second of four tries for the All Blacks this morning.

1274
01:02:33,787 --> 01:02:35,867
Speaker 2: Will Jordan or second of three tries. I'm just trying

1275
01:02:35,907 --> 01:02:38,187
Speaker 2: to remember three or four. It probably doesn't matter too much.

1276
01:02:38,267 --> 01:02:41,187
Speaker 2: Let's bring in senior rugby writer with The New Zealand Herald,

1277
01:02:41,267 --> 01:02:44,187
Speaker 2: co host of the Rugby Direct podcast and one of

1278
01:02:44,227 --> 01:02:48,227
Speaker 2: the sharpest rugby minds I know, Liam Napier. Liam, you're

1279
01:02:48,307 --> 01:02:49,787
Speaker 2: right in the Herald and I'm going to quote this

1280
01:02:50,227 --> 01:02:53,707
Speaker 2: a flop of a season finale. The All Blacks saved

1281
01:02:53,787 --> 01:02:57,147
Speaker 2: one of their worst performances of the year, rivaled only

1282
01:02:57,227 --> 01:03:00,107
Speaker 2: by their loss to the Pumas and Wellington for last.

1283
01:03:00,787 --> 01:03:02,587
Speaker 2: Not a lot of gray area there, mate, You weren't

1284
01:03:02,587 --> 01:03:05,147
Speaker 2: that impressed after most declining.

1285
01:03:05,387 --> 01:03:07,627
Speaker 23: No, look, it was a pretty tough watch to end

1286
01:03:07,667 --> 01:03:10,787
Speaker 23: the year, wasn't it. And I guess the expectation for

1287
01:03:10,827 --> 01:03:13,347
Speaker 23: the All Blacks was that they would deliver some form

1288
01:03:13,427 --> 01:03:17,627
Speaker 23: of definitive statements to bookends their Northern tour and finish

1289
01:03:17,707 --> 01:03:22,147
Speaker 23: the year. Just given the selection complexion, this was Scott

1290
01:03:22,227 --> 01:03:27,347
Speaker 23: Robertson's strongest available team. He chose not to promote fringe prospects,

1291
01:03:27,947 --> 01:03:30,067
Speaker 23: you know, rookies, guys that we haven't seen a lot

1292
01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:34,907
Speaker 23: of this year. And still the All Blacks couldn't or

1293
01:03:34,987 --> 01:03:36,787
Speaker 23: they did put away at Lee, but they struggled and

1294
01:03:36,907 --> 01:03:40,667
Speaker 23: that was a really tough watch in patches. They finished

1295
01:03:40,707 --> 01:03:43,387
Speaker 23: the year with a victory, but there's still a lot

1296
01:03:43,427 --> 01:03:45,187
Speaker 23: of lingering questions.

1297
01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:48,227
Speaker 2: I think what was the problem this morning?

1298
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:51,347
Speaker 23: Well, look, I think you have to give credit to

1299
01:03:51,387 --> 01:03:55,547
Speaker 23: the Italians. They brought a lot of physicality. They succeeded

1300
01:03:55,667 --> 01:03:58,187
Speaker 23: in dragging the All Blacks into a dog fight. They

1301
01:03:58,267 --> 01:04:00,907
Speaker 23: had a lot of success at the breakdown, just making

1302
01:04:00,987 --> 01:04:04,067
Speaker 23: things scrappy. Their line speed caused the All Blacks a

1303
01:04:04,147 --> 01:04:07,987
Speaker 23: lot of issues and I think just frustrations for the

1304
01:04:08,067 --> 01:04:11,667
Speaker 23: All Blacks, whether it was not converting line breaks, lacking

1305
01:04:11,787 --> 01:04:15,507
Speaker 23: patients on attack, pushing passes. They lost three line out

1306
01:04:15,587 --> 01:04:19,307
Speaker 23: throws and so they had to revert to their dominant

1307
01:04:19,347 --> 01:04:23,387
Speaker 23: scrum and they're more to really squeeze out that victory.

1308
01:04:23,587 --> 01:04:26,387
Speaker 23: And they got a couple of lake tries Mark Dalia,

1309
01:04:26,507 --> 01:04:28,427
Speaker 23: but that was their first points in the second half

1310
01:04:28,467 --> 01:04:31,307
Speaker 23: and the seventieth minute. So the margin probably flattered them

1311
01:04:31,347 --> 01:04:32,027
Speaker 23: in the end as well.

1312
01:04:33,107 --> 01:04:36,347
Speaker 2: So when they get together again in the new year

1313
01:04:36,507 --> 01:04:38,547
Speaker 2: or late this year, the All Blacks coaching staff, and

1314
01:04:38,667 --> 01:04:42,227
Speaker 2: they review and then they start planning, what are the

1315
01:04:42,347 --> 01:04:45,667
Speaker 2: big you know, the big meaty issues that are going

1316
01:04:45,707 --> 01:04:47,587
Speaker 2: to take up most of their thinking as they plan

1317
01:04:47,707 --> 01:04:48,627
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five.

1318
01:04:50,267 --> 01:04:55,107
Speaker 23: Well, I think Scot Ronson's an eternal optimist, so he'll

1319
01:04:55,307 --> 01:04:58,027
Speaker 23: take a glass half full approach to this year. It's

1320
01:04:58,107 --> 01:05:02,467
Speaker 23: a ten and four season, a seventy one percent win ratio,

1321
01:05:03,187 --> 01:05:06,267
Speaker 23: and you'd have to break the season down. They started

1322
01:05:06,387 --> 01:05:10,467
Speaker 23: scratchy against England fifty percent in the Rugby Championship and

1323
01:05:10,547 --> 01:05:14,147
Speaker 23: then some real definitive improvements and if you step back

1324
01:05:14,467 --> 01:05:17,787
Speaker 23: and think about this Northern Tour, the ABC's one point

1325
01:05:17,827 --> 01:05:22,187
Speaker 23: away from an unbeaten five match sweep of the North

1326
01:05:22,267 --> 01:05:26,867
Speaker 23: that includes Japan and England's Ireland, France which they blew

1327
01:05:27,387 --> 01:05:29,587
Speaker 23: and then this match against Italy. So a very good

1328
01:05:29,667 --> 01:05:34,307
Speaker 23: return results wise on the India tour. But for me Piney,

1329
01:05:34,427 --> 01:05:36,307
Speaker 23: I would have liked to have seen a bit more progression,

1330
01:05:36,547 --> 01:05:39,147
Speaker 23: particularly in this last match. We haven't seen a number

1331
01:05:39,187 --> 01:05:44,187
Speaker 23: of guys in recent weeks and the performances have been

1332
01:05:44,227 --> 01:05:48,067
Speaker 23: a bit hot cold. I think the ruck, the presentation,

1333
01:05:48,267 --> 01:05:53,427
Speaker 23: the cleanout really needs a lot of attention and there

1334
01:05:53,467 --> 01:05:56,907
Speaker 23: has been improvements for the attack. Bill Blacks have really

1335
01:05:57,987 --> 01:06:00,827
Speaker 23: in that Test against Ireland in particularly used the ball

1336
01:06:00,907 --> 01:06:04,067
Speaker 23: well so made some ground and there have been you know,

1337
01:06:04,147 --> 01:06:07,707
Speaker 23: some standout performances Wallace for Tt and like the emerging

1338
01:06:07,787 --> 01:06:11,907
Speaker 23: talent progression improvement in some areas. But just given that

1339
01:06:12,027 --> 01:06:14,107
Speaker 23: last performance, it is really hard to set back in

1340
01:06:14,187 --> 01:06:18,307
Speaker 23: assess and say it's been a successful year.

1341
01:06:19,667 --> 01:06:22,027
Speaker 2: Who do you think has the inside running for the

1342
01:06:22,187 --> 01:06:25,467
Speaker 2: seven jersey next year? And actually a wider question is

1343
01:06:25,507 --> 01:06:27,507
Speaker 2: what does our best loose forward trio for this World

1344
01:06:27,507 --> 01:06:28,067
Speaker 2: Cup cycle?

1345
01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:34,267
Speaker 23: Yes, incredibly hard, isn't it. Pineye personally would shift Ardie

1346
01:06:34,267 --> 01:06:38,867
Speaker 23: severe to open sider thought he was excellent there against France.

1347
01:06:40,427 --> 01:06:42,467
Speaker 23: It allowed him to get into the wide channels to

1348
01:06:42,507 --> 01:06:45,347
Speaker 23: play his natural game. He's still very good at picking

1349
01:06:45,387 --> 01:06:48,907
Speaker 23: his moments of the breakdown Wallace to Titi his favored

1350
01:06:48,987 --> 01:06:52,107
Speaker 23: position at number eights. And then you're looking for I

1351
01:06:52,187 --> 01:06:56,307
Speaker 23: think a big blindside flanker. Now, whether that's some Penny female,

1352
01:06:56,627 --> 01:06:59,067
Speaker 23: the jury's still out there. We haven't seen quite enough

1353
01:06:59,107 --> 01:07:04,147
Speaker 23: of him. Even Adulton Papa Lli could perform that role.

1354
01:07:04,867 --> 01:07:08,587
Speaker 23: Peter Luckeye was superb, wasn't he off the bench for

1355
01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:11,947
Speaker 23: seventy eight minutes in Paris? I think he's a twenty

1356
01:07:11,987 --> 01:07:14,027
Speaker 23: one year old prospect. He is the future of the

1357
01:07:14,307 --> 01:07:18,227
Speaker 23: All Blacks loose for trio. It's just whether that is

1358
01:07:18,307 --> 01:07:21,747
Speaker 23: the balance the composition that they're looking for, and then

1359
01:07:21,747 --> 01:07:24,707
Speaker 23: you've got guys like Ethan Blackheader and Luke Jacobson in

1360
01:07:24,787 --> 01:07:28,227
Speaker 23: the wings. Personally, I don't think you can have Dalton,

1361
01:07:28,227 --> 01:07:31,867
Speaker 23: Papa Lee, Ethan Blackheader and Luke Jacobson in the same squad,

1362
01:07:31,947 --> 01:07:34,787
Speaker 23: so very similar players, and with the up ten po

1363
01:07:35,707 --> 01:07:37,827
Speaker 23: ball movement that the All Blacks are looking to play,

1364
01:07:38,027 --> 01:07:40,987
Speaker 23: I think the style of rugby probably suits a guy

1365
01:07:41,107 --> 01:07:45,107
Speaker 23: like Dalton more so than a Luke Jacobson or Ethan Blackheader.

1366
01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:47,707
Speaker 23: So it's going to be very interesting to see. You

1367
01:07:47,827 --> 01:07:49,907
Speaker 23: can't for all those guys in the squads and you

1368
01:07:50,627 --> 01:07:53,587
Speaker 23: ideally do sit on a trio and give them time

1369
01:07:54,387 --> 01:07:57,307
Speaker 23: to gel and progress in the coming years.

1370
01:07:57,987 --> 01:08:00,987
Speaker 2: Do you think they will stick with Artie at eight?

1371
01:08:01,587 --> 01:08:03,547
Speaker 2: Not what you would do. Do you think they will

1372
01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:05,187
Speaker 2: stick with Ardie Savier at number eight?

1373
01:08:06,987 --> 01:08:08,707
Speaker 23: I think they will go to Wallace at eight. I

1374
01:08:08,827 --> 01:08:12,387
Speaker 23: think Scott Robinson has mentioned the fact that that's his

1375
01:08:12,507 --> 01:08:15,547
Speaker 23: natural home and that's where we saw him play his

1376
01:08:15,667 --> 01:08:19,467
Speaker 23: best rugby for the Chiefs in his rookie Super Rugby season.

1377
01:08:20,627 --> 01:08:24,467
Speaker 23: I think for the balance of that trio, I think

1378
01:08:24,627 --> 01:08:27,867
Speaker 23: Artie does need to go to seven and Wallace at eight.

1379
01:08:28,387 --> 01:08:30,547
Speaker 23: But Peter Luckey has a bit of a wildcard because

1380
01:08:30,907 --> 01:08:33,907
Speaker 23: he can play eight, he can play seven. He's probably

1381
01:08:33,947 --> 01:08:37,147
Speaker 23: the Ivyll bench guy for you at the stage as

1382
01:08:37,187 --> 01:08:39,627
Speaker 23: he comes to grips with Test rugby. But I do

1383
01:08:39,827 --> 01:08:44,067
Speaker 23: expect now that Sam kin is moving on, and I

1384
01:08:44,187 --> 01:08:48,507
Speaker 23: think Sam Kaine's presence complicated that mix. We probably would

1385
01:08:48,547 --> 01:08:51,507
Speaker 23: have seen a lot more of Wallace at eight had

1386
01:08:52,027 --> 01:08:54,267
Speaker 23: Scott Robinson not gone back to Sam Kain this year.

1387
01:08:54,307 --> 01:08:57,387
Speaker 23: But now he's moving on to through Japan, I do

1388
01:08:57,547 --> 01:09:00,667
Speaker 23: expect to see Wallace make that number eight Jersey his

1389
01:09:00,747 --> 01:09:01,387
Speaker 23: home next year.

1390
01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:04,507
Speaker 2: Two more yellow cards for New Zealand this morning. That's

1391
01:09:04,547 --> 01:09:06,787
Speaker 2: eleven this year. Is that a concern?

1392
01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:13,147
Speaker 23: Its massively problematic. Piny didn't cost them hugely in this

1393
01:09:13,307 --> 01:09:16,627
Speaker 23: test Scott Barrett when he went off the All Blacks

1394
01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:21,467
Speaker 23: didn't concede any points. Antolina Brown didn't affect them too

1395
01:09:21,547 --> 01:09:25,587
Speaker 23: much either, but and big tests, it has proven costly

1396
01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:28,427
Speaker 23: this year against the spring Boks, in particular in South

1397
01:09:28,427 --> 01:09:31,987
Speaker 23: Africa when they were dealing with you know, trying to

1398
01:09:31,987 --> 01:09:35,227
Speaker 23: get the composition of the bench right. I think discipline

1399
01:09:35,347 --> 01:09:37,507
Speaker 23: in general is still an issue with this All Black team.

1400
01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:40,507
Speaker 23: When things don't go their way, when they struggle to

1401
01:09:40,587 --> 01:09:43,347
Speaker 23: generate that quick ball, when they're not winning the collisions,

1402
01:09:44,067 --> 01:09:45,667
Speaker 23: when they're on the back foot a bit, and when

1403
01:09:45,747 --> 01:09:48,467
Speaker 23: frustrations creep in, or when they have to defend their

1404
01:09:48,507 --> 01:09:51,307
Speaker 23: own line for long periods, that's when they get in trouble.

1405
01:09:51,507 --> 01:09:54,787
Speaker 23: And eleven is too many and it is going to

1406
01:09:54,907 --> 01:09:56,147
Speaker 23: cost you big type tests.

1407
01:09:57,387 --> 01:09:59,627
Speaker 2: A couple of departing All Blacks after over a year

1408
01:10:00,067 --> 01:10:02,427
Speaker 2: a decade of service on the Black jersey, Sam Kin,

1409
01:10:02,547 --> 01:10:06,987
Speaker 2: TJ Petada, they played their final tests today. What will

1410
01:10:07,027 --> 01:10:08,627
Speaker 2: their respective legacies be for you?

1411
01:10:10,347 --> 01:10:12,947
Speaker 23: I think both have left a real imprint on the

1412
01:10:13,267 --> 01:10:15,027
Speaker 23: New Zealand game, not just with the All Blacks but

1413
01:10:15,147 --> 01:10:21,147
Speaker 23: their respective super rugby teams and provinces. When I think

1414
01:10:21,187 --> 01:10:24,307
Speaker 23: of both those guys, I think about the adversity that

1415
01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:28,147
Speaker 23: they've overcome, whether that be Sam Cain and his broken

1416
01:10:28,267 --> 01:10:32,267
Speaker 23: neck or you know the difficult times he endured as

1417
01:10:32,267 --> 01:10:34,427
Speaker 23: All Black captain and then to come back this year,

1418
01:10:34,947 --> 01:10:37,507
Speaker 23: or TJ Petina had the best part of two years

1419
01:10:37,547 --> 01:10:40,627
Speaker 23: out of the game with his Kelly's injury and you

1420
01:10:40,707 --> 01:10:44,707
Speaker 23: know consider retirements, thought it was over and then had

1421
01:10:44,747 --> 01:10:48,067
Speaker 23: his time again. So the resilience those guys have shown,

1422
01:10:48,667 --> 01:10:50,987
Speaker 23: I think also just the way they carry themselves. TJ

1423
01:10:51,067 --> 01:10:54,987
Speaker 23: has also been the guy who's spoken for what he

1424
01:10:55,107 --> 01:10:58,667
Speaker 23: believes in. I really respect that about him and Sam Caine.

1425
01:10:59,507 --> 01:11:03,187
Speaker 23: He endured some of the most difficult times in the

1426
01:11:03,267 --> 01:11:08,107
Speaker 23: All Blacks, but he would always genuine and I feel

1427
01:11:08,147 --> 01:11:10,427
Speaker 23: like he always speaks from the heart as well. So

1428
01:11:11,307 --> 01:11:15,107
Speaker 23: attribute to those guys who now all cash in at

1429
01:11:15,107 --> 01:11:17,147
Speaker 23: the back end of their careers, but I guess it's

1430
01:11:17,227 --> 01:11:19,347
Speaker 23: nice that they also get to finish on their own terms.

1431
01:11:19,867 --> 01:11:22,587
Speaker 2: Indeed, or I've put together a list of five players

1432
01:11:22,627 --> 01:11:24,747
Speaker 2: who I think are candidates for All Blacks Player of

1433
01:11:24,827 --> 01:11:27,827
Speaker 2: the Year. So my list in alphabetical order by surname

1434
01:11:28,027 --> 01:11:32,587
Speaker 2: is Caleb Clark, Tyrel Lomax, Wallace, a Titi, Cody Taylor,

1435
01:11:32,747 --> 01:11:35,627
Speaker 2: and Tupaul Vati. Have I missed anybody there? And who

1436
01:11:35,627 --> 01:11:37,267
Speaker 2: would you give it to if it's one of them

1437
01:11:37,347 --> 01:11:37,987
Speaker 2: or somebody else?

1438
01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:41,387
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think you've done well there. Pony had to

1439
01:11:41,907 --> 01:11:46,547
Speaker 23: argue with that look on the whole complexion of the season,

1440
01:11:46,707 --> 01:11:50,467
Speaker 23: I would probably say too, Pouvai. I think Locke was

1441
01:11:50,547 --> 01:11:54,507
Speaker 23: such an area where in the wake of Brody Rittelk

1442
01:11:54,587 --> 01:11:59,227
Speaker 23: and Sam White Locks respective absences this year that there

1443
01:11:59,267 --> 01:12:01,387
Speaker 23: were major concerns for the All Blacks. Where was the

1444
01:12:01,467 --> 01:12:05,027
Speaker 23: next who was going to stand up? How are the

1445
01:12:05,067 --> 01:12:07,547
Speaker 23: All Blacks going to cover those abs answers? And when

1446
01:12:07,587 --> 01:12:09,867
Speaker 23: you look at the way that Tupu has come in

1447
01:12:10,867 --> 01:12:14,627
Speaker 23: and owned the line outs performed in big tests, I

1448
01:12:14,747 --> 01:12:19,027
Speaker 23: think he has supremely exceeded all expectations. And those other

1449
01:12:19,067 --> 01:12:22,147
Speaker 23: guys you mentioned have played well as well. Well the

1450
01:12:22,227 --> 01:12:25,027
Speaker 23: TT you know, the absolute breakout star of the EF.

1451
01:12:25,067 --> 01:12:28,907
Speaker 23: He doesn't win World Rugby breakthrough player, then there needs

1452
01:12:29,107 --> 01:12:36,227
Speaker 23: a formal investigation the other the other guys in particularly,

1453
01:12:36,347 --> 01:12:38,107
Speaker 23: you can't tell World Rugby what to do. Finally you

1454
01:12:38,187 --> 01:12:42,187
Speaker 23: know this, but maybe you know check the envelopes or.

1455
01:12:42,427 --> 01:12:45,107
Speaker 11: Will put you on the job.

1456
01:12:47,907 --> 01:12:50,187
Speaker 2: But I just I did also, just as I read

1457
01:12:50,187 --> 01:12:53,467
Speaker 2: those names out, only one back and an outside back.

1458
01:12:54,027 --> 01:12:56,067
Speaker 2: I don't know if that sees anything or doesn't say anything.

1459
01:12:56,067 --> 01:12:57,787
Speaker 2: But Caleb Clarks the only guy I can really think

1460
01:12:57,867 --> 01:13:00,787
Speaker 2: of who've had an outstanding season and a jersey higher

1461
01:13:00,787 --> 01:13:01,067
Speaker 2: than eight.

1462
01:13:02,267 --> 01:13:02,947
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fair.

1463
01:13:03,027 --> 01:13:05,987
Speaker 23: And I think Will Jordan has been good, hasn't he?

1464
01:13:06,067 --> 01:13:10,067
Speaker 23: Since he's gone back to fullback. But in terms of

1465
01:13:10,187 --> 01:13:15,507
Speaker 23: consistent performances at cam Rogards had a good last couple

1466
01:13:15,547 --> 01:13:17,907
Speaker 23: of tests when he came into the starting role. But

1467
01:13:18,307 --> 01:13:21,867
Speaker 23: in terms of backs really stamping their authority, they are

1468
01:13:21,987 --> 01:13:24,867
Speaker 23: quite few and far between. Maybe that says a bit

1469
01:13:24,947 --> 01:13:30,307
Speaker 23: about the complexion of the All Blacks attack the way

1470
01:13:30,347 --> 01:13:33,547
Speaker 23: they're playing, and I guess the fact there's also been

1471
01:13:33,587 --> 01:13:35,307
Speaker 23: a fair bit of chopping and changing when you look

1472
01:13:35,307 --> 01:13:37,987
Speaker 23: at Bowden Baron and Damien McKenzie that are still I

1473
01:13:38,067 --> 01:13:40,627
Speaker 23: think trying to find their way at first five to

1474
01:13:40,747 --> 01:13:43,947
Speaker 23: a degree, and Caleb Clark was a guy who also

1475
01:13:44,067 --> 01:13:47,027
Speaker 23: came into the season late in that left wing role.

1476
01:13:47,147 --> 01:13:50,267
Speaker 23: Mark Tale is another one who's performed well when he's

1477
01:13:50,307 --> 01:13:53,667
Speaker 23: been giving started opportunities. But the All Blacks have only

1478
01:13:53,787 --> 01:13:57,467
Speaker 23: really found their first choice back line at the back

1479
01:13:57,587 --> 01:13:59,627
Speaker 23: end of the year and so there has been a

1480
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:01,387
Speaker 23: fair bit of tweaking that's gone on there.

1481
01:14:02,307 --> 01:14:05,187
Speaker 2: Okay, to finish, we're put in together Razors report card

1482
01:14:05,267 --> 01:14:07,627
Speaker 2: this afternoon. You can give them a mark out of ten,

1483
01:14:07,827 --> 01:14:11,027
Speaker 2: or you can use the old ABC B Minors C

1484
01:14:11,147 --> 01:14:13,427
Speaker 2: plus kind of arrangement if you like, how do you

1485
01:14:13,587 --> 01:14:16,867
Speaker 2: rate what are you putting on Razors report card for

1486
01:14:16,947 --> 01:14:18,747
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four in terms of a mark.

1487
01:14:20,547 --> 01:14:24,907
Speaker 23: Traditionally quite a tough marker, poney, but you know, sees

1488
01:14:24,947 --> 01:14:25,867
Speaker 23: also get degrees.

1489
01:14:27,187 --> 01:14:29,667
Speaker 14: But i'll go, I'll go.

1490
01:14:30,347 --> 01:14:32,267
Speaker 23: I'll go a C plus or six out of tense.

1491
01:14:32,347 --> 01:14:33,987
Speaker 23: I think this is a past mark for the year.

1492
01:14:34,707 --> 01:14:39,867
Speaker 23: But I think everyone probably did expect a bit more

1493
01:14:39,947 --> 01:14:43,387
Speaker 23: evolution revolution to a degree with Razor. I think he's

1494
01:14:43,427 --> 01:14:47,107
Speaker 23: been very conservative when it's come to selection. The all

1495
01:14:47,107 --> 01:14:50,027
Speaker 23: black to one some type tests. They also lost some

1496
01:14:50,187 --> 01:14:55,187
Speaker 23: type tests, so I think there's improvement needed, but it

1497
01:14:55,347 --> 01:14:58,147
Speaker 23: is a tentative step forward. Shall we say?

1498
01:14:58,827 --> 01:15:01,987
Speaker 2: Good stuff? Love love chatting raby with you, mate. We'll

1499
01:15:01,987 --> 01:15:03,347
Speaker 2: get some calls on the air to see if they

1500
01:15:03,427 --> 01:15:06,027
Speaker 2: agree or disagree, but I'm always good to chat. Liam

1501
01:15:06,067 --> 01:15:07,467
Speaker 2: thinks taking the time this afternoon.

1502
01:15:08,227 --> 01:15:10,067
Speaker 23: Jeers funny anytime, mate, good man.

1503
01:15:10,107 --> 01:15:12,107
Speaker 2: That's Liam Napier from the New Zealand Herald. Read him

1504
01:15:12,107 --> 01:15:14,587
Speaker 2: at ends at herold dot co dot m Z. Yeah,

1505
01:15:14,667 --> 01:15:18,267
Speaker 2: one of the more incisive rugby analysts going around. There

1506
01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:21,227
Speaker 2: might have been something there that that piaqued your interest.

1507
01:15:21,307 --> 01:15:23,467
Speaker 2: You might want to add to the conversation. Lots to

1508
01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:26,227
Speaker 2: chat about eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can talk

1509
01:15:26,227 --> 01:15:28,667
Speaker 2: about the Test this morning. I think we can probably

1510
01:15:29,387 --> 01:15:31,147
Speaker 2: you know, talk about the year as a whole now

1511
01:15:31,307 --> 01:15:33,747
Speaker 2: we've seen fourteen Test matches. I think that's a good

1512
01:15:33,747 --> 01:15:36,667
Speaker 2: thing to do. Candidates for Player of the Year, and

1513
01:15:36,787 --> 01:15:38,147
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with our loose forwards

1514
01:15:38,187 --> 01:15:41,027
Speaker 2: next year? That seems to be the big question around selection.

1515
01:15:41,507 --> 01:15:45,187
Speaker 2: The most live conversation around selection is our loose forwards

1516
01:15:45,267 --> 01:15:47,307
Speaker 2: next year. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1517
01:15:48,027 --> 01:15:51,587
Speaker 6: Pete, Hello, good day, piny house scenes mate.

1518
01:15:51,827 --> 01:15:52,987
Speaker 2: Very good, Pete. How are you getting on?

1519
01:15:53,787 --> 01:15:53,947
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1520
01:15:53,987 --> 01:15:58,867
Speaker 6: Pretty good? Hey, really enjoyed that listen with Liam previous

1521
01:15:59,307 --> 01:16:01,707
Speaker 6: was he makes some really good points and writes a

1522
01:16:01,747 --> 01:16:07,427
Speaker 6: good article and it's just good to have talkback on

1523
01:16:07,627 --> 01:16:14,347
Speaker 6: rugby and testaments rugby back on ZB. I love my sport, Pinty,

1524
01:16:14,427 --> 01:16:19,947
Speaker 6: and I missed my radio sport. But such as life,

1525
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:23,187
Speaker 6: we move on changes and we've seen the new all

1526
01:16:23,267 --> 01:16:27,827
Speaker 6: Black coach. He's wasn't left with much when he took over,

1527
01:16:29,707 --> 01:16:32,747
Speaker 6: and I mean that's making a clarative statement, you know,

1528
01:16:33,307 --> 01:16:37,467
Speaker 6: losing Sam Whitelocke, Brody Rettallic a few others Z and

1529
01:16:38,387 --> 01:16:40,867
Speaker 6: of course the world's best half back in Aaron Smith.

1530
01:16:41,587 --> 01:16:44,307
Speaker 6: So I can get as reasoning as to taking TJ

1531
01:16:44,907 --> 01:16:49,587
Speaker 6: and Sam Kine away, particularly with the advent of injuries

1532
01:16:49,627 --> 01:16:52,747
Speaker 6: and things like that, to Dalton. Papole he Liam made

1533
01:16:52,747 --> 01:16:57,227
Speaker 6: a good point about Dalton and having players on the

1534
01:16:57,347 --> 01:17:03,267
Speaker 6: field that had similar playing abilities or styles that Razor

1535
01:17:03,347 --> 01:17:10,867
Speaker 6: wants to implement. He would you replace Ranny McDonald now,

1536
01:17:11,547 --> 01:17:14,947
Speaker 6: now that Leon McDonald was removed but wasn't replaced for

1537
01:17:15,067 --> 01:17:22,667
Speaker 6: the Northern Tour, what candidate would would raise a look

1538
01:17:22,707 --> 01:17:25,587
Speaker 6: at bringing in or would all that money be brought

1539
01:17:25,627 --> 01:17:27,267
Speaker 6: in to bring Richie Moore Hunger back.

1540
01:17:28,267 --> 01:17:31,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think of it his choice. He'd probably

1541
01:17:31,307 --> 01:17:33,747
Speaker 2: bring back his first five rather than bring another coach

1542
01:17:33,787 --> 01:17:37,947
Speaker 2: and Pete. But yeah, that's a really good question around

1543
01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:42,787
Speaker 2: Leon McDonald's departure and whether the role that he fulfilled

1544
01:17:42,827 --> 01:17:45,387
Speaker 2: while he was there has been adequately covered by the others,

1545
01:17:45,427 --> 01:17:48,027
Speaker 2: and I kind of think that it has. I don't

1546
01:17:48,027 --> 01:17:50,827
Speaker 2: look at this and this team since his departure, which

1547
01:17:50,907 --> 01:17:53,107
Speaker 2: was what before they headed off to South Africa and

1548
01:17:53,147 --> 01:17:55,467
Speaker 2: think Okay, hey, they've gone down and such and such

1549
01:17:55,467 --> 01:17:58,307
Speaker 2: an area because Leon McDonald's not there. I tend to

1550
01:17:58,347 --> 01:18:00,827
Speaker 2: think that you know that the coaches they have there

1551
01:18:00,907 --> 01:18:04,507
Speaker 2: are enough. I heard a suggestion that Vern Cottter might

1552
01:18:04,587 --> 01:18:08,387
Speaker 2: be a guy but to bring a steely, harder region.

1553
01:18:08,507 --> 01:18:11,707
Speaker 2: But I honestly can't see a scenario under which Scott

1554
01:18:11,787 --> 01:18:14,907
Speaker 2: Robertson brings Vern Cotter into his coaching setup, can you?

1555
01:18:15,987 --> 01:18:16,027
Speaker 24: No?

1556
01:18:16,347 --> 01:18:20,627
Speaker 6: No, definitely not no. He here'd be a class, wouldn't he.

1557
01:18:20,787 --> 01:18:23,907
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, just another head coach and and what

1558
01:18:24,307 --> 01:18:25,667
Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of chat around about

1559
01:18:25,667 --> 01:18:28,507
Speaker 2: when Lea McDonald decided that he wouldn't continue, that that

1560
01:18:28,627 --> 01:18:30,507
Speaker 2: the fact he had been a head coach was was

1561
01:18:30,587 --> 01:18:33,107
Speaker 2: something that you know, he was unable to adjust to.

1562
01:18:33,227 --> 01:18:34,987
Speaker 2: We don't know if that's true or not. Jason Holland

1563
01:18:35,067 --> 01:18:37,467
Speaker 2: was a head coach at the Hurricanes and he seems

1564
01:18:37,467 --> 01:18:40,187
Speaker 2: to have adjusted okay to being an assistant. But Vern

1565
01:18:40,267 --> 01:18:42,387
Speaker 2: Cotter a head coach and very much his own man

1566
01:18:42,827 --> 01:18:44,787
Speaker 2: at the Blues. I just it just doesn't seem like

1567
01:18:44,827 --> 01:18:45,587
Speaker 2: a natural fit to me.

1568
01:18:46,467 --> 01:18:49,027
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I like the cut of Tarmaty Allison.

1569
01:18:51,027 --> 01:18:53,867
Speaker 6: Oh he's on the way up. Hey, listen. I threw

1570
01:18:54,067 --> 01:18:56,707
Speaker 6: only once did I throw the pillow at the TV

1571
01:18:56,947 --> 01:19:03,067
Speaker 6: this morning, and that was when Patrick outstanding. Patrick Trupo

1572
01:19:03,907 --> 01:19:09,307
Speaker 6: was you know, the team trying to have his influence

1573
01:19:09,427 --> 01:19:13,867
Speaker 6: on telling the referee Peer that it was a I

1574
01:19:15,027 --> 01:19:17,267
Speaker 6: met the dangerous threshold.

1575
01:19:19,587 --> 01:19:20,507
Speaker 14: And that was great.

1576
01:19:20,307 --> 01:19:22,467
Speaker 6: Refereeing, but that could have had a bearing had it

1577
01:19:22,587 --> 01:19:29,107
Speaker 6: been a referee not prepared to not listen to his TMO.

1578
01:19:29,227 --> 01:19:31,307
Speaker 6: You know that guy was Adam and Patrick was going

1579
01:19:31,347 --> 01:19:33,147
Speaker 6: to get a yellow card, wasn't it. If not a

1580
01:19:33,307 --> 01:19:36,907
Speaker 6: red would have been He made the comment that it

1581
01:19:37,027 --> 01:19:40,587
Speaker 6: was dangerous, met that threshold or words to that effect anyway.

1582
01:19:40,587 --> 01:19:42,587
Speaker 6: But anyway, that's what I took out of it. I thought,

1583
01:19:42,587 --> 01:19:45,387
Speaker 6: I hear we go last match, TMO has got to

1584
01:19:45,427 --> 01:19:48,787
Speaker 6: have a say. But two Peer, Bruce Sett or every

1585
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:50,947
Speaker 6: however you say his name. That was pretty good. My

1586
01:19:51,067 --> 01:19:53,067
Speaker 6: other point that I wished to make because other callers

1587
01:19:53,107 --> 01:19:57,747
Speaker 6: that wanted to do it too gonna miss Sam and TJ,

1588
01:19:57,987 --> 01:20:01,827
Speaker 6: particularly TJ being a Hurricanes man that I am, but

1589
01:20:02,187 --> 01:20:04,467
Speaker 6: they've had their time and roll up.

1590
01:20:04,427 --> 01:20:05,147
Speaker 4: The next numbers.

1591
01:20:05,347 --> 01:20:08,187
Speaker 6: And as for play of the Year, you pretty much

1592
01:20:08,307 --> 01:20:12,507
Speaker 6: nailed it with Tupo Laya just the outstanding, just unbelievable

1593
01:20:12,547 --> 01:20:15,467
Speaker 6: from number six to Locke filled that void pretty well

1594
01:20:15,587 --> 01:20:20,227
Speaker 6: with Sam and Brody departing and called the line outs.

1595
01:20:20,787 --> 01:20:23,827
Speaker 6: Jumped in there when Scotty Barrett took a lot of

1596
01:20:23,907 --> 01:20:28,747
Speaker 6: heat off Scotty so much so that you know he's

1597
01:20:29,027 --> 01:20:32,267
Speaker 6: my vote for Player of the Year and looking forward

1598
01:20:32,387 --> 01:20:37,147
Speaker 6: to next year report cards. Yeah, I was tossing up

1599
01:20:37,187 --> 01:20:41,507
Speaker 6: on a sea two for a razor. Let's see how

1600
01:20:41,627 --> 01:20:43,427
Speaker 6: we go with other callers and this you want to

1601
01:20:43,427 --> 01:20:44,267
Speaker 6: add anything there?

1602
01:20:45,267 --> 01:20:47,747
Speaker 2: You've covered off a whole bunch of stuff for me, mate,

1603
01:20:48,027 --> 01:20:49,707
Speaker 2: and the five minutes we've been on the get together.

1604
01:20:50,507 --> 01:20:52,827
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling and call back anytime you made some

1605
01:20:52,907 --> 01:20:55,267
Speaker 2: great points, I think. Yeah, I think we all sort

1606
01:20:55,307 --> 01:20:58,307
Speaker 2: of set around that sea. You know what ms seas

1607
01:20:58,347 --> 01:21:02,427
Speaker 2: get degrees? So true, I got mine with mainly seas. Yeah,

1608
01:21:02,467 --> 01:21:03,787
Speaker 2: that five and a half six out of ten. I

1609
01:21:03,827 --> 01:21:05,427
Speaker 2: think that's where we all kind of land, don't we.

1610
01:21:06,347 --> 01:21:07,707
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten. Have you got to get

1611
01:21:07,707 --> 01:21:09,907
Speaker 2: a breakaway once? Be alone if you want to jump

1612
01:21:09,947 --> 01:21:12,187
Speaker 2: on one twenty seven back after this on Weekend Sport,

1613
01:21:13,627 --> 01:21:14,147
Speaker 2: The Big.

1614
01:21:14,107 --> 01:21:17,707
Speaker 1: Issues on and after fields Call Oh, eight hundred eighty

1615
01:21:17,747 --> 01:21:21,347
Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunner

1616
01:21:21,427 --> 01:21:25,307
Speaker 1: homes New Zealand's most trusted Home Milder News talk to Baby.

1617
01:21:25,707 --> 01:21:29,307
Speaker 2: Bang on one thirty. Hello Jamie, Hey, finally busy day

1618
01:21:29,347 --> 01:21:33,427
Speaker 2: for you. It has been. It's good though, Yeah, yep, okay.

1619
01:21:34,027 --> 01:21:36,787
Speaker 21: It's just my overall summiration of the Bets year. Probably

1620
01:21:37,467 --> 01:21:39,427
Speaker 21: I'll give it about a six or six out of

1621
01:21:39,467 --> 01:21:43,747
Speaker 21: ten or a B minus. Yeah, lots of lots of positives.

1622
01:21:43,827 --> 01:21:46,227
Speaker 21: I mean, I think that the death is coming, especially

1623
01:21:46,267 --> 01:21:48,347
Speaker 21: in the fort pack. It's it's great to see some

1624
01:21:48,507 --> 01:21:52,027
Speaker 21: young guys stepping up there and some fresh eggs. The

1625
01:21:52,107 --> 01:21:55,787
Speaker 21: bench has improved since the since the since we lost

1626
01:21:55,867 --> 01:22:01,107
Speaker 21: in South Africa. Probably probably another thing is i'd probably

1627
01:22:01,307 --> 01:22:04,027
Speaker 21: like to see, perhaps some will have to probably next

1628
01:22:04,107 --> 01:22:06,347
Speaker 21: year be raised to be bit more bold.

1629
01:22:07,107 --> 01:22:11,467
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was quite conservative, Jamie. That's a very

1630
01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:13,627
Speaker 2: good observation, and I think a lot of us thought

1631
01:22:13,707 --> 01:22:17,547
Speaker 2: that he would be a bit more adventurous, shall we say.

1632
01:22:17,627 --> 01:22:19,987
Speaker 2: But I guess you can't really blame him in his

1633
01:22:20,067 --> 01:22:23,547
Speaker 2: first year when he's putting down a foundation. He has given,

1634
01:22:23,587 --> 01:22:26,067
Speaker 2: as you might have heard me mention before ten guys debuts,

1635
01:22:26,147 --> 01:22:28,227
Speaker 2: but he has stuck largely. You look at the guys

1636
01:22:28,267 --> 01:22:31,707
Speaker 2: who have played most often for him, and you know, well,

1637
01:22:31,987 --> 01:22:34,747
Speaker 2: Damien Mackenzie, Anton Lennart Brown both featured in every single

1638
01:22:34,787 --> 01:22:38,067
Speaker 2: Test match. Ardie Savie was there most of the time, Lomax,

1639
01:22:38,187 --> 01:22:41,227
Speaker 2: Joannie Taylor, the Barrett Brothers. So yeah, there was a

1640
01:22:41,347 --> 01:22:43,027
Speaker 2: base of experience that he used a lot.

1641
01:22:44,147 --> 01:22:47,867
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I think in what then, maybe I said before,

1642
01:22:48,067 --> 01:22:50,627
Speaker 21: I'm about he switching to seven. I think that could

1643
01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:54,227
Speaker 21: be a good move because he's been a great number

1644
01:22:54,227 --> 01:22:55,787
Speaker 21: of eight for US over the years, but maybe just

1645
01:22:55,907 --> 01:23:00,467
Speaker 21: this year was just like Rapsneller's dynamics and the last couple,

1646
01:23:00,947 --> 01:23:04,187
Speaker 21: but maybe maybe a positional switch would do in wonders

1647
01:23:04,427 --> 01:23:04,907
Speaker 21: what I think.

1648
01:23:05,427 --> 01:23:07,227
Speaker 2: I wonder where he'll play for more one of PACIFICA.

1649
01:23:07,347 --> 01:23:11,267
Speaker 2: That'll be an interesting little layer of this conversation because

1650
01:23:11,547 --> 01:23:15,027
Speaker 2: he played most of his last two or three years

1651
01:23:15,427 --> 01:23:18,707
Speaker 2: for the Hurricanes at number eight. Jason Holland actually moved

1652
01:23:18,787 --> 01:23:21,787
Speaker 2: him into that position and then obviously he played there

1653
01:23:21,827 --> 01:23:23,987
Speaker 2: mainly for the All Blacks as a result. But for example,

1654
01:23:24,027 --> 01:23:26,667
Speaker 2: if he was playing well, either if he's playing number

1655
01:23:26,667 --> 01:23:29,307
Speaker 2: seven from Oneer PACIFICA or number eight for more Winer PACIFICA,

1656
01:23:29,547 --> 01:23:31,347
Speaker 2: you wonder what that will do as far as where

1657
01:23:31,387 --> 01:23:33,387
Speaker 2: he gets picked by Scott Robertson and the All Blacks Jersey.

1658
01:23:34,147 --> 01:23:35,107
Speaker 16: Yeah, you probably had to.

1659
01:23:35,307 --> 01:23:39,187
Speaker 21: I mean, he probably have no disrespect of wine in Pacifica,

1660
01:23:39,267 --> 01:23:41,827
Speaker 21: but he probably have ever's work cut out paying for

1661
01:23:41,867 --> 01:23:45,667
Speaker 21: that playing for them, just you know, just because he'll

1662
01:23:45,707 --> 01:23:49,067
Speaker 21: be the main guy, whereas in the Hurricanes you were

1663
01:23:49,267 --> 01:23:51,347
Speaker 21: he was had a good support group. But I mean

1664
01:23:51,427 --> 01:23:54,867
Speaker 21: you hopefully, hopefully you continue continue to go work because

1665
01:23:54,867 --> 01:23:56,307
Speaker 21: I'm still a big Janifers.

1666
01:23:56,867 --> 01:23:58,787
Speaker 2: Same oh, same, And I think he's got a big

1667
01:23:58,867 --> 01:24:01,987
Speaker 2: part to play in this in this World Cup cycle. Yeah,

1668
01:24:02,027 --> 01:24:04,827
Speaker 2: maybe he's not. He's not the absolutely dominating force that

1669
01:24:04,867 --> 01:24:06,107
Speaker 2: he's been in the last couple of years.

1670
01:24:06,187 --> 01:24:06,267
Speaker 6: Art.

1671
01:24:06,547 --> 01:24:09,547
Speaker 2: I've seen that suggested as well. But look, I just

1672
01:24:09,587 --> 01:24:11,947
Speaker 2: don't think you pick a first choice All Blacks fifteen

1673
01:24:11,987 --> 01:24:14,587
Speaker 2: without Sava and and I still think he's right. He's

1674
01:24:14,627 --> 01:24:15,787
Speaker 2: on one of our best players.

1675
01:24:15,867 --> 01:24:19,547
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, awesome, Okay, thanks Jason.

1676
01:24:19,547 --> 01:24:21,187
Speaker 2: Good Man, Jamie good to check to you, mate, Thanks

1677
01:24:21,187 --> 01:24:23,067
Speaker 2: for calling in. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1678
01:24:23,187 --> 01:24:26,347
Speaker 2: is out number a pad Ohama. I'm going to say

1679
01:24:26,387 --> 01:24:27,507
Speaker 2: you're going to give us a six.

1680
01:24:29,227 --> 01:24:32,627
Speaker 25: Now, I'm old school poney, I'll be doing grades, all right.

1681
01:24:32,667 --> 01:24:34,067
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, then I'm going to say a

1682
01:24:34,827 --> 01:24:35,587
Speaker 2: A C plus.

1683
01:24:35,707 --> 01:24:38,867
Speaker 25: Then I'm not as positive as you think.

1684
01:24:38,947 --> 01:24:39,267
Speaker 12: Poney.

1685
01:24:41,187 --> 01:24:41,867
Speaker 8: The results.

1686
01:24:42,147 --> 01:24:44,347
Speaker 25: We won't talking about the test the best results. There

1687
01:24:44,387 --> 01:24:47,867
Speaker 25: was a bludyer. This result this morning was obviously Tottenham

1688
01:24:47,907 --> 01:24:49,187
Speaker 25: for Manchester City nels.

1689
01:24:49,387 --> 01:24:50,827
Speaker 2: I love that. I love it.

1690
01:24:51,787 --> 01:24:53,507
Speaker 25: I was pretty happy you're turning into the sort of

1691
01:24:53,547 --> 01:24:55,867
Speaker 25: the end of that when I got up this morning.

1692
01:24:55,947 --> 01:24:59,307
Speaker 25: But I'll start with the good. I'll start with the bad.

1693
01:24:59,707 --> 01:25:04,067
Speaker 25: Discipline horrible needs to change. We're slow lunars. We need

1694
01:25:04,107 --> 01:25:08,467
Speaker 25: to get better. Our kicking game not as bad as

1695
01:25:08,507 --> 01:25:09,507
Speaker 25: our discipline.

1696
01:25:09,067 --> 01:25:09,827
Speaker 12: But I don't rate it.

1697
01:25:10,027 --> 01:25:13,067
Speaker 25: It's sort of and I suppose that in terms of

1698
01:25:13,107 --> 01:25:17,387
Speaker 25: our game management needs to get better. In the ability

1699
01:25:17,867 --> 01:25:22,347
Speaker 25: to close out games. No Razors talked about we could

1700
01:25:22,387 --> 01:25:25,707
Speaker 25: have won all those games, but we didn't. We were

1701
01:25:26,347 --> 01:25:29,187
Speaker 25: we the South Americans were there for the taking them

1702
01:25:29,187 --> 01:25:32,027
Speaker 25: both those tests, and we couldn't close. Needed body to

1703
01:25:32,067 --> 01:25:36,107
Speaker 25: save us against England, couldn't close. Penny t dropped the

1704
01:25:36,147 --> 01:25:38,587
Speaker 25: ball in front of the posts. Against England, we should

1705
01:25:38,627 --> 01:25:41,707
Speaker 25: have lost that game. Couldn't close. It couldn't close last week,

1706
01:25:41,987 --> 01:25:44,347
Speaker 25: so it's still a thing. Ireland was our best performance.

1707
01:25:44,427 --> 01:25:46,467
Speaker 25: But I don't know who that Island team was. They

1708
01:25:46,467 --> 01:25:50,307
Speaker 25: couldn't catched the ball that day, So it's very much

1709
01:25:50,347 --> 01:25:54,907
Speaker 25: a work on this team. Our attack is ponderous and

1710
01:25:55,147 --> 01:25:57,507
Speaker 25: just seems a bit side to side, and then we

1711
01:25:57,627 --> 01:26:02,187
Speaker 25: rely on individual brilliance a bit too much. Our best

1712
01:26:02,587 --> 01:26:05,867
Speaker 25: aspect is our pack, our set pieces pretty good. Our

1713
01:26:05,907 --> 01:26:08,107
Speaker 25: line that was out this morning, but generally it's been good.

1714
01:26:08,547 --> 01:26:12,507
Speaker 25: Our scrum is good. We've built depth also. Yeah, our

1715
01:26:12,547 --> 01:26:14,507
Speaker 25: player development a different past mark.

1716
01:26:14,987 --> 01:26:16,267
Speaker 2: But I think you ought to give a big rap

1717
01:26:16,307 --> 01:26:19,587
Speaker 2: to Yeah, sorry, sorry, Padaha. You've got to give a

1718
01:26:19,587 --> 01:26:22,387
Speaker 2: big rap to Jason Ryan, particularly at scrumb time. I

1719
01:26:22,387 --> 01:26:26,027
Speaker 2: think he's built a very very good dominant forward pack

1720
01:26:26,067 --> 01:26:27,427
Speaker 2: the way they played this morning, and you might have

1721
01:26:27,467 --> 01:26:29,147
Speaker 2: heard him on the show he said he thinks his

1722
01:26:29,267 --> 01:26:31,787
Speaker 2: front rowers that he has at his disposal give us

1723
01:26:31,827 --> 01:26:32,707
Speaker 2: a real point of difference.

1724
01:26:33,827 --> 01:26:37,667
Speaker 25: Yeah, c minus Piney, that's me, plenty of plenty of them.

1725
01:26:37,827 --> 01:26:39,867
Speaker 25: We're just got to move next year, look forward to it.

1726
01:26:40,667 --> 01:26:42,827
Speaker 25: We've got to beat Africa at home. That's the big

1727
01:26:42,907 --> 01:26:44,707
Speaker 25: hurdle we've got to get. We got to start beating

1728
01:26:44,707 --> 01:26:47,747
Speaker 25: the Africans because I'm not living this swagger around the

1729
01:26:47,787 --> 01:26:48,387
Speaker 25: world at the moment.

1730
01:26:50,267 --> 01:26:51,507
Speaker 2: You'd have a good day too, mine.

1731
01:26:51,867 --> 01:26:52,307
Speaker 4: I'd have that.

1732
01:26:52,387 --> 01:26:55,267
Speaker 2: I'd change you all that test for riden Park straight away.

1733
01:26:55,867 --> 01:26:58,307
Speaker 2: When South Africa come here for the Rugby Championship next year,

1734
01:26:58,307 --> 01:27:00,547
Speaker 2: and I presume they'll come for two tests first one

1735
01:27:00,787 --> 01:27:03,547
Speaker 2: Eden Park? Hees, Oh no, what about our record there?

1736
01:27:04,147 --> 01:27:08,227
Speaker 2: What about our record there? First test against South afrigay

1737
01:27:08,227 --> 01:27:10,747
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand next year? Should bet Eden Park? Hey,

1738
01:27:10,827 --> 01:27:14,387
Speaker 2: George good a piney, how's a gun? Very good mate,

1739
01:27:14,427 --> 01:27:15,547
Speaker 2: very good? What do you make of this morning?

1740
01:27:16,187 --> 01:27:16,387
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1741
01:27:16,627 --> 01:27:18,307
Speaker 20: I think this morning we got to We've got a

1742
01:27:18,347 --> 01:27:20,667
Speaker 20: result that really reflected the team that was selected.

1743
01:27:21,027 --> 01:27:21,187
Speaker 4: You know.

1744
01:27:21,467 --> 01:27:25,947
Speaker 20: It was a very tired, fatigued result from players that

1745
01:27:26,027 --> 01:27:28,467
Speaker 20: were playing their fourth test in our own in some cases,

1746
01:27:29,867 --> 01:27:31,467
Speaker 20: and it kind of showed I think those players are

1747
01:27:31,507 --> 01:27:33,787
Speaker 20: really trying to mentally get themselves up to one last game.

1748
01:27:34,267 --> 01:27:37,027
Speaker 20: And if I was sort of pera fetter love and

1749
01:27:37,267 --> 01:27:39,267
Speaker 20: dairy George Bell, I would have really been gutted to

1750
01:27:39,827 --> 01:27:42,907
Speaker 20: not get a run this morning, you know, and not

1751
01:27:42,987 --> 01:27:45,987
Speaker 20: have the faith shown enough to go out there and

1752
01:27:46,067 --> 01:27:46,227
Speaker 20: do it.

1753
01:27:46,907 --> 01:27:47,707
Speaker 12: I think that's.

1754
01:27:47,547 --> 01:27:51,627
Speaker 20: Probably my main reflection for for rass year so far.

1755
01:27:51,747 --> 01:27:54,347
Speaker 20: It's just that probably inability to have the utmost faith

1756
01:27:54,427 --> 01:27:57,587
Speaker 20: in the the players coming through and really give them

1757
01:27:57,627 --> 01:28:00,827
Speaker 20: a chance to show their worth. I think unfortunately we

1758
01:28:00,907 --> 01:28:03,147
Speaker 20: didn't really learn a whole lot about Billy prop To

1759
01:28:03,227 --> 01:28:07,067
Speaker 20: this year and his credentials and the I don't think

1760
01:28:07,227 --> 01:28:10,547
Speaker 20: enough scrutiny was placed on sort of Rico Yoanni at

1761
01:28:10,627 --> 01:28:13,987
Speaker 20: center in a backline that was failing to profry some

1762
01:28:14,147 --> 01:28:17,507
Speaker 20: shots at points in time. So yeah, my probably big

1763
01:28:17,587 --> 01:28:20,187
Speaker 20: thing A results were good and four pick were great,

1764
01:28:21,507 --> 01:28:24,267
Speaker 20: but I don't think we really showed enough confidence in

1765
01:28:24,347 --> 01:28:26,067
Speaker 20: the younger players coming through are going to play a

1766
01:28:26,107 --> 01:28:28,067
Speaker 20: mess of part over the next four years.

1767
01:28:28,627 --> 01:28:30,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't get a lot of opportunities to

1768
01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:34,347
Speaker 2: expose players to test rugby, do you and I think

1769
01:28:34,387 --> 01:28:37,027
Speaker 2: this morning? You know, I look, I understand why they

1770
01:28:37,067 --> 01:28:38,867
Speaker 2: did what they did in terms of the selections and

1771
01:28:39,267 --> 01:28:41,227
Speaker 2: wanted to go out on a high after winning last week,

1772
01:28:41,307 --> 01:28:43,827
Speaker 2: perhaps losing last week or other by one point last week,

1773
01:28:44,427 --> 01:28:46,667
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was a missed opportunity for me. I

1774
01:28:46,707 --> 01:28:49,147
Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen, Yeah, the likes of

1775
01:28:49,187 --> 01:28:52,507
Speaker 2: Reuben Love in that in that mix this morning. Billy

1776
01:28:52,507 --> 01:28:54,547
Speaker 2: Proctor is obviously home to be with his partner for

1777
01:28:54,627 --> 01:28:58,667
Speaker 2: the birth of their child. But yeah, I guess as

1778
01:28:58,707 --> 01:29:00,427
Speaker 2: a building block, like I say, if we get to

1779
01:29:00,507 --> 01:29:03,267
Speaker 2: the World Cup in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty four

1780
01:29:03,267 --> 01:29:05,227
Speaker 2: won't matter too much apart from the fact that it

1781
01:29:05,347 --> 01:29:08,387
Speaker 2: was Razor's first year any kind of I guess built

1782
01:29:08,427 --> 01:29:11,467
Speaker 2: a foundation based mainly on established players.

1783
01:29:12,507 --> 01:29:15,187
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'd love to see super Form get really rewarded

1784
01:29:15,267 --> 01:29:17,747
Speaker 20: next year, Like if I think Brad Shiels put it

1785
01:29:17,787 --> 01:29:19,147
Speaker 20: well on to show a couple of weeks back, if

1786
01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:22,187
Speaker 20: Flarkeye and Billy Procter and some of those players played

1787
01:29:22,227 --> 01:29:24,507
Speaker 20: the house down, I'd like to see them get the

1788
01:29:24,587 --> 01:29:27,427
Speaker 20: start in the first three tests of the season and

1789
01:29:27,547 --> 01:29:31,507
Speaker 20: not go to a more tried and true lineup and

1790
01:29:31,587 --> 01:29:33,707
Speaker 20: a trusted team of experience, because we've got to sort

1791
01:29:33,707 --> 01:29:37,947
Speaker 20: of keep one eye on developing the team and that

1792
01:29:38,107 --> 01:29:39,907
Speaker 20: sort of thing. Because I think this morning now quick

1793
01:29:39,947 --> 01:29:43,987
Speaker 20: to talk about the gap between Super rugby and Test rugby,

1794
01:29:44,027 --> 01:29:45,827
Speaker 20: and particularly now that the Africans are out of it, well,

1795
01:29:45,827 --> 01:29:47,427
Speaker 20: the only way to close that gap is to give

1796
01:29:47,507 --> 01:29:50,307
Speaker 20: some of these players exposure in a game like this morning,

1797
01:29:50,427 --> 01:29:52,427
Speaker 20: So sort of repeat what I set out the front

1798
01:29:52,427 --> 01:29:53,907
Speaker 20: of the call I think some of those players would

1799
01:29:53,907 --> 01:29:56,307
Speaker 20: have been really gutted to not get a round this morning,

1800
01:29:56,347 --> 01:29:58,107
Speaker 20: given they've been holding tackle bags.

1801
01:29:57,907 --> 01:29:59,027
Speaker 8: For most of the year.

1802
01:29:59,547 --> 01:30:01,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that thing is also George's by the sounds

1803
01:30:01,867 --> 01:30:04,067
Speaker 2: of it from listening to Mark Robinson yesterday, It's still

1804
01:30:04,067 --> 01:30:06,027
Speaker 2: not going to be a full strength French team that

1805
01:30:06,067 --> 01:30:07,667
Speaker 2: comes and here for the first three Tests of the

1806
01:30:07,707 --> 01:30:10,587
Speaker 2: next year. So I'm kind of with you, mate. I'd say,

1807
01:30:10,787 --> 01:30:13,667
Speaker 2: whoever plays well in Super Rugby, give them a crack

1808
01:30:13,707 --> 01:30:16,307
Speaker 2: against France and July next year. That's what I'd be doing.

1809
01:30:17,227 --> 01:30:19,947
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And they and that's always been a

1810
01:30:20,067 --> 01:30:22,387
Speaker 20: hallmark of the All Blacks and years gone by, as

1811
01:30:22,387 --> 01:30:25,147
Speaker 20: we've had upmost faith in the next person to come

1812
01:30:25,227 --> 01:30:26,587
Speaker 20: in and do it. I really did like the way

1813
01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:29,707
Speaker 20: they approached the Ethond group situation. You know, he did

1814
01:30:29,787 --> 01:30:32,627
Speaker 20: something and gave up his jersey. The others took their chance,

1815
01:30:32,707 --> 01:30:34,987
Speaker 20: and it was hey, lot, you know, these guys have

1816
01:30:35,307 --> 01:30:37,507
Speaker 20: taken their opportunity, and you don't rest on your laurels

1817
01:30:37,547 --> 01:30:40,227
Speaker 20: in an All Black jersey. So I'd like to see

1818
01:30:40,787 --> 01:30:43,947
Speaker 20: some healthy competition promoted that way, you know, put Rico

1819
01:30:44,667 --> 01:30:46,227
Speaker 20: to the bench or out of the twenty three for

1820
01:30:46,307 --> 01:30:48,347
Speaker 20: a game. Give Billy Procter a go in in a

1821
01:30:48,467 --> 01:30:50,987
Speaker 20: high stakes match and if he takes his chance, you know,

1822
01:30:51,107 --> 01:30:53,707
Speaker 20: then he keeps the jersey and sort of you know,

1823
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:56,027
Speaker 20: promote a bit of a healthy competition that way.

1824
01:30:56,467 --> 01:30:59,347
Speaker 2: Indeed, good stuff, George, good points well mate as always mate. Yeah,

1825
01:30:59,347 --> 01:31:01,387
Speaker 2: they dropped Ricca you only down to the bench against

1826
01:31:01,467 --> 01:31:03,787
Speaker 2: Argentina and Wellington, didn't they? But I thought they might

1827
01:31:03,827 --> 01:31:06,067
Speaker 2: give Billy prop to the jersey after he played well

1828
01:31:06,067 --> 01:31:08,067
Speaker 2: against Fiji, and instead it was Anton Lennart Brown who

1829
01:31:08,067 --> 01:31:10,427
Speaker 2: played there and then Reco was back in I think

1830
01:31:10,547 --> 01:31:13,827
Speaker 2: from memory the next week he was here in the

1831
01:31:14,267 --> 01:31:16,827
Speaker 2: tests against Argentina and Auckland. Then pretty much hold onto

1832
01:31:16,827 --> 01:31:21,307
Speaker 2: the jersey right. The ASB Classic returning to Aukland this summer.

1833
01:31:21,387 --> 01:31:25,867
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1834
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Speaker 2: Men's week January sixth through eleven. Action hot on and

1835
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Speaker 2: off the court at the ASP Classic. Details and ticket

1836
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1837
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1838
01:31:39,547 --> 01:31:42,147
Speaker 2: We're going to play guest the grunter. All you have

1839
01:31:42,267 --> 01:31:44,467
Speaker 2: to do is guess who is doing the grunting. When

1840
01:31:44,747 --> 01:31:47,307
Speaker 2: I played the audio shortly. I'll even give you a

1841
01:31:47,387 --> 01:31:49,987
Speaker 2: clue if you know who the grunter is. Now this

1842
01:31:50,107 --> 01:31:55,107
Speaker 2: is important. Text the word tennis, then your name, then

1843
01:31:55,187 --> 01:31:57,867
Speaker 2: the name of the grunter to nine two nine two,

1844
01:31:58,587 --> 01:32:01,387
Speaker 2: and just before the news two o'clock will announce our

1845
01:32:01,427 --> 01:32:03,667
Speaker 2: winner and tea who the grunter is. So this hour,

1846
01:32:03,707 --> 01:32:07,667
Speaker 2: we've got tickets to the evening session on December thirtieth.

1847
01:32:08,267 --> 01:32:19,027
Speaker 2: Tell me who this is. Here's your clue. She survived

1848
01:32:19,107 --> 01:32:23,707
Speaker 2: a knife attack during a tennis match in nineteen ninety three.

1849
01:32:24,787 --> 01:32:27,427
Speaker 2: Text the word tennis, then your name, then who you

1850
01:32:27,507 --> 01:32:31,707
Speaker 2: think the grunter is to nine two nine two. So tennis,

1851
01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:33,587
Speaker 2: your name the grunt a to nine two ninety two.

1852
01:32:33,627 --> 01:32:36,467
Speaker 2: Our clue. She survived a knife attack during a tennis

1853
01:32:36,507 --> 01:32:40,707
Speaker 2: match in nineteen ninety three. Nineteen away from two. James

1854
01:32:40,827 --> 01:32:41,787
Speaker 2: mcconey with us after.

1855
01:32:41,707 --> 01:32:47,227
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1856
01:32:47,427 --> 01:32:51,587
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1857
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1858
01:32:52,667 --> 01:32:55,507
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1859
01:32:55,547 --> 01:32:59,787
Speaker 2: That means James mcconey, James, we've been doing Razors report

1860
01:32:59,907 --> 01:33:02,107
Speaker 2: Card on the radio this afternoon. Do you want to

1861
01:33:02,227 --> 01:33:04,307
Speaker 2: join join the fun, give it a grade.

1862
01:33:05,307 --> 01:33:07,427
Speaker 16: I'd love to join the fun, but first we really

1863
01:33:07,547 --> 01:33:10,547
Speaker 16: need to flush the dummy and move on to quote

1864
01:33:11,027 --> 01:33:16,067
Speaker 16: Steve Hanson, because that was one giant, let's say, turgid

1865
01:33:16,947 --> 01:33:20,027
Speaker 16: test match this morning. But yes, I would like to

1866
01:33:20,067 --> 01:33:21,907
Speaker 16: give my grade. What have you given, pony?

1867
01:33:22,547 --> 01:33:24,587
Speaker 2: I haven't yet to give my grade. I've been living

1868
01:33:24,627 --> 01:33:27,627
Speaker 2: it up to the to those far more learned than myself.

1869
01:33:27,667 --> 01:33:29,787
Speaker 2: I can tell you that if we're talking out of ten,

1870
01:33:30,227 --> 01:33:33,027
Speaker 2: Liam Napier has given them a six, Elliott Smith of

1871
01:33:33,147 --> 01:33:33,787
Speaker 2: five and a half.

1872
01:33:35,627 --> 01:33:37,707
Speaker 16: Right, I'm going to go higher. I'm giving them a B.

1873
01:33:38,307 --> 01:33:40,347
Speaker 16: I'm going to go B because of the it's a

1874
01:33:40,387 --> 01:33:45,587
Speaker 16: rebuild year. Let's be honest. You know you lose Brady Metallica,

1875
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:49,107
Speaker 16: Aaron Smith, Sam white Lock. There's a lot of ip

1876
01:33:49,347 --> 01:33:53,107
Speaker 16: going out the out the door right there. So as

1877
01:33:53,187 --> 01:33:56,707
Speaker 16: a as a bit of rebuilding and you know, filling

1878
01:33:56,787 --> 01:34:00,387
Speaker 16: the leadership void, I'm going to go B. And it's

1879
01:34:00,467 --> 01:34:03,427
Speaker 16: just because of that one point, you know, I think

1880
01:34:03,907 --> 01:34:06,307
Speaker 16: people are marking them down because of that one point loss, right,

1881
01:34:06,547 --> 01:34:09,907
Speaker 16: because you have an uneaten Northern Core. So that's why

1882
01:34:09,907 --> 01:34:12,507
Speaker 16: I'm staying with my bee. And I actually think if

1883
01:34:12,547 --> 01:34:15,587
Speaker 16: Sam Caine had played that Test in Paris, we would

1884
01:34:15,627 --> 01:34:17,827
Speaker 16: have won it because you noticed a couple of times

1885
01:34:18,267 --> 01:34:21,787
Speaker 16: we weren't cleaning out and it made a big difference,

1886
01:34:21,827 --> 01:34:23,187
Speaker 16: I thought, to the to the outcome.

1887
01:34:23,867 --> 01:34:27,147
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, it was. It was a funny old

1888
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:29,947
Speaker 2: test this morning, wasn't it. And you know, Jason Ryan

1889
01:34:30,027 --> 01:34:30,947
Speaker 2: was on the show and he said, look, it was

1890
01:34:30,987 --> 01:34:32,787
Speaker 2: a bit wet and we've had a long season all

1891
01:34:32,827 --> 01:34:36,787
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. But as you say, it was

1892
01:34:36,867 --> 01:34:39,147
Speaker 2: a bit of a tough watch. Wasn't a pretty dour.

1893
01:34:40,067 --> 01:34:40,547
Speaker 12: Yeah it was.

1894
01:34:40,667 --> 01:34:42,867
Speaker 16: I mean, also, I do need even though the referee

1895
01:34:42,907 --> 01:34:45,867
Speaker 16: made a couple of good calls, like by not binning

1896
01:34:46,307 --> 01:34:48,747
Speaker 16: Patrick Toopol or too, there was a there's so many

1897
01:34:48,827 --> 01:34:51,667
Speaker 16: times that the Italians were lying on the ground slapping

1898
01:34:51,707 --> 01:34:53,787
Speaker 16: the ball away and if that's not a penalty or

1899
01:34:53,827 --> 01:34:56,507
Speaker 16: even a car then I think world rugby you need

1900
01:34:56,547 --> 01:34:59,947
Speaker 16: to need to have a look because I totally agree

1901
01:34:59,987 --> 01:35:03,307
Speaker 16: with you know, style playing, dangerous play being elevated to

1902
01:35:03,827 --> 01:35:05,707
Speaker 16: a level where you go and take some time in

1903
01:35:05,787 --> 01:35:08,307
Speaker 16: the bin. But the cidical stuff is getting to the

1904
01:35:08,347 --> 01:35:10,547
Speaker 16: point where there's no way they're supporting their body weight.

1905
01:35:11,187 --> 01:35:13,307
Speaker 16: And I feel like the All Blacks have to be

1906
01:35:13,427 --> 01:35:16,987
Speaker 16: so squeaky clean because you know the straight away they'll

1907
01:35:17,027 --> 01:35:21,827
Speaker 16: find something and and yeah, that's just that I think

1908
01:35:21,947 --> 01:35:24,987
Speaker 16: affected the game. It's just the referee not cleaning up

1909
01:35:25,027 --> 01:35:25,707
Speaker 16: that rack area.

1910
01:35:27,227 --> 01:35:30,587
Speaker 2: Now, All Blacks player of the Year I've written down

1911
01:35:30,707 --> 01:35:34,667
Speaker 2: Caleb Clark, Tyrell Lomax, Wallace a Tt, Cody Taylor, Tupulvai.

1912
01:35:35,147 --> 01:35:36,747
Speaker 2: Do you think it will be one of those? Would they?

1913
01:35:36,827 --> 01:35:39,267
Speaker 2: Would one of those five be your All Blacks Player

1914
01:35:39,307 --> 01:35:39,707
Speaker 2: of the Year.

1915
01:35:40,627 --> 01:35:43,667
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know I'm a massive annoying Chiefs fan, but

1916
01:35:43,947 --> 01:35:48,827
Speaker 16: I do feel that Wallace, Titi and have been best

1917
01:35:48,907 --> 01:35:52,947
Speaker 16: in show for me. And really Wallace, I would actually

1918
01:35:53,027 --> 01:35:54,547
Speaker 16: just say he is a player of the Year. I

1919
01:35:54,627 --> 01:35:56,627
Speaker 16: think that I know that he's young and he's rookie

1920
01:35:56,627 --> 01:36:00,227
Speaker 16: and all that sort of thing, but I mean, who's

1921
01:36:00,347 --> 01:36:02,387
Speaker 16: just made every post winner. I think it's been him

1922
01:36:03,427 --> 01:36:06,987
Speaker 16: and then two A has been absolute revel But also

1923
01:36:07,187 --> 01:36:10,307
Speaker 16: maybe an option at six if we end up with

1924
01:36:10,347 --> 01:36:13,587
Speaker 16: another really big lock like a Fabian Holland coming through

1925
01:36:13,627 --> 01:36:16,747
Speaker 16: and maybe tip over a who was quite an undersized lot,

1926
01:36:16,827 --> 01:36:19,187
Speaker 16: maybe he needs to think about it and reinventing himself

1927
01:36:19,667 --> 01:36:21,867
Speaker 16: as a blindside. So you know that's an option, but

1928
01:36:22,027 --> 01:36:23,627
Speaker 16: I'll probably go for Wallace.

1929
01:36:25,067 --> 01:36:26,667
Speaker 2: I think he might. I think he might want it

1930
01:36:26,747 --> 01:36:29,987
Speaker 2: to even though he's like he's a first year All Black.

1931
01:36:30,587 --> 01:36:33,507
Speaker 2: Without going back in history, I can't remember a bigger

1932
01:36:33,547 --> 01:36:37,867
Speaker 2: impact by a first year All Black than his. I'm

1933
01:36:37,907 --> 01:36:40,587
Speaker 2: just trying to think maybe, I don't know, maybe Aaron Smith,

1934
01:36:40,827 --> 01:36:41,187
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1935
01:36:41,947 --> 01:36:45,187
Speaker 16: I think Mertz in his first year that World Cup, Yeah,

1936
01:36:46,067 --> 01:36:48,547
Speaker 16: it was exceptional in the Christian Cullen, you know, like

1937
01:36:49,387 --> 01:36:51,827
Speaker 16: those guys when they first came in, Josh Cromfield. I

1938
01:36:51,907 --> 01:36:53,547
Speaker 16: mean there was three or four of them in that

1939
01:36:53,667 --> 01:36:57,027
Speaker 16: ninety ninety five World Cup that were there were first

1940
01:36:57,107 --> 01:37:00,307
Speaker 16: years and they were worthy of being nominated for Player

1941
01:37:00,307 --> 01:37:00,667
Speaker 16: of the Year.

1942
01:37:00,787 --> 01:37:04,507
Speaker 2: So yeah, why not other matters around today a Test

1943
01:37:04,547 --> 01:37:07,627
Speaker 2: cricket I'm enjoying watching the Test cricket yesterday was a

1944
01:37:07,787 --> 01:37:10,627
Speaker 2: stark contrast to the first day. Seventeen wickets on the

1945
01:37:10,667 --> 01:37:13,867
Speaker 2: first day in Perth. But India once they got Australia

1946
01:37:13,947 --> 01:37:17,227
Speaker 2: right yesterday one hundred and seventy two without loss and

1947
01:37:17,267 --> 01:37:19,227
Speaker 2: their second end is the lead of two hundred and eighteen.

1948
01:37:20,747 --> 01:37:23,227
Speaker 16: I know it's amazing, isn't it. So where does that

1949
01:37:23,307 --> 01:37:25,027
Speaker 16: put in New Zealand? Are we just the best in

1950
01:37:25,107 --> 01:37:25,427
Speaker 16: the world?

1951
01:37:25,467 --> 01:37:27,787
Speaker 2: Come on, I think we must be. I think we must.

1952
01:37:28,787 --> 01:37:29,027
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1953
01:37:29,427 --> 01:37:32,067
Speaker 16: Well, look, Australia is our kryptonite, so I'm happy for

1954
01:37:32,147 --> 01:37:33,787
Speaker 16: them to be taken out a few picks, but we

1955
01:37:33,947 --> 01:37:36,027
Speaker 16: really need to play Australia too sweet and I think

1956
01:37:36,067 --> 01:37:38,707
Speaker 16: it is coming up as at a pony, so we

1957
01:37:38,827 --> 01:37:41,747
Speaker 16: will find out sooner or later whether we can put

1958
01:37:41,787 --> 01:37:45,187
Speaker 16: it with them. The one thing is is that I'm

1959
01:37:45,187 --> 01:37:48,387
Speaker 16: always keeping an eye on, you know, the Fab four

1960
01:37:48,747 --> 01:37:52,787
Speaker 16: and of batters these days and their test averages. So

1961
01:37:53,427 --> 01:37:56,667
Speaker 16: I'm talking about Steve Smith, Joe Ruth, Cain, Williamson and

1962
01:37:56,707 --> 01:37:59,907
Speaker 16: Bear at Coley and Coley is in a massive slump,

1963
01:37:59,947 --> 01:38:02,907
Speaker 16: which is wonderful to see. So he has done in

1964
01:38:02,987 --> 01:38:05,707
Speaker 16: the fourties. Now he's averaged forty seven or something like

1965
01:38:05,787 --> 01:38:11,707
Speaker 16: that and dropping. Caine is in second place behind Steve Smith.

1966
01:38:11,787 --> 01:38:14,947
Speaker 16: But I noticed Steve Smith as well having a few hiccups,

1967
01:38:15,027 --> 01:38:18,547
Speaker 16: so long may that last. I'm always keen for Caine

1968
01:38:18,627 --> 01:38:21,387
Speaker 16: to to finish on top. But what I really want

1969
01:38:21,427 --> 01:38:24,147
Speaker 16: to see from him with the Test match coming up

1970
01:38:24,227 --> 01:38:28,547
Speaker 16: now of the series against England. Is he still the

1971
01:38:28,627 --> 01:38:31,627
Speaker 16: Caine we remember because he has struggled with England against

1972
01:38:31,667 --> 01:38:34,147
Speaker 16: England before apart from that Test match at the base,

1973
01:38:34,227 --> 01:38:37,027
Speaker 16: and he's had problems and if it is, If that

1974
01:38:37,187 --> 01:38:39,987
Speaker 16: is the case, maybe it is time became. They go, well,

1975
01:38:40,067 --> 01:38:42,227
Speaker 16: you know, the eyes aren't going to get any younger

1976
01:38:43,707 --> 01:38:45,387
Speaker 16: and the team's in good Stead without me.

1977
01:38:47,467 --> 01:38:51,627
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, Joe, I don't want to think about

1978
01:38:51,627 --> 01:38:55,427
Speaker 2: the day he walks away. But yeah, yeah, it's obviously coming,

1979
01:38:55,547 --> 01:38:57,787
Speaker 2: isn't it. It'll be, It'll happen at some point. Hey,

1980
01:38:57,787 --> 01:38:59,507
Speaker 2: I just need to ask about the A League as

1981
01:38:59,547 --> 01:39:01,987
Speaker 2: well of finish here on the air at three and

1982
01:39:02,067 --> 01:39:04,587
Speaker 2: then I'm just going to couch it for the Wellington

1983
01:39:04,627 --> 01:39:07,667
Speaker 2: Phoenix against Melbourne victory and then all on FC against MacArthur.

1984
01:39:08,027 --> 01:39:09,747
Speaker 2: Had a textas morning from a friend of mine saying, Hey,

1985
01:39:09,747 --> 01:39:12,027
Speaker 2: should I back both of the New Zealand teams at

1986
01:39:12,067 --> 01:39:14,347
Speaker 2: the T A B in a MALTI would you be

1987
01:39:14,587 --> 01:39:14,907
Speaker 2: doing that?

1988
01:39:16,307 --> 01:39:16,347
Speaker 4: No?

1989
01:39:16,507 --> 01:39:21,907
Speaker 16: I wouldn't, but that's just because I think we don't

1990
01:39:21,947 --> 01:39:23,867
Speaker 16: know how good awkward c is. I mean that they

1991
01:39:24,067 --> 01:39:27,507
Speaker 16: that Derby game was something special and you know crazy

1992
01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:30,107
Speaker 16: mistake from the keeper to have decides it right, So

1993
01:39:30,667 --> 01:39:34,147
Speaker 16: MacArthur will test them. I think they see a building

1994
01:39:34,307 --> 01:39:40,067
Speaker 16: something really great though. Now Wellington Phoenix, I think they

1995
01:39:40,907 --> 01:39:44,907
Speaker 16: they can be exceptional this year, so maybe they're they're

1996
01:39:45,427 --> 01:39:47,747
Speaker 16: you think there might be a better bet. But the

1997
01:39:47,867 --> 01:39:51,187
Speaker 16: victory that the best put together team in the A

1998
01:39:51,307 --> 01:39:54,227
Speaker 16: League really they've got. You know, they're probably the most

1999
01:39:54,227 --> 01:39:57,427
Speaker 16: stacked team, so that is tough. And that's that replay

2000
01:39:57,507 --> 01:39:59,747
Speaker 16: from the from that playoff match earlier in the year,

2001
01:39:59,867 --> 01:40:04,187
Speaker 16: so tough to see. I still think Giancarlo Ittaliano, chief

2002
01:40:04,267 --> 01:40:07,147
Speaker 16: of the coach, as a genius, so we'll see if

2003
01:40:07,187 --> 01:40:08,947
Speaker 16: that bears out and see oppony and.

2004
01:40:09,027 --> 01:40:10,707
Speaker 2: You see Man City lost again this morning. That was

2005
01:40:10,707 --> 01:40:11,027
Speaker 2: a shame.

2006
01:40:12,227 --> 01:40:15,587
Speaker 16: I know how good is that. I don't know if

2007
01:40:15,907 --> 01:40:18,067
Speaker 16: I was always hoping for Nottingham Forrest to do it

2008
01:40:18,187 --> 01:40:19,947
Speaker 16: at Leicester City, but I think it is Brighton. I

2009
01:40:20,067 --> 01:40:20,747
Speaker 16: think they could do it.

2010
01:40:21,107 --> 01:40:21,667
Speaker 8: Let's just hope.

2011
01:40:21,707 --> 01:40:23,627
Speaker 16: I know Liverpool's your team and all that sort of thing,

2012
01:40:23,707 --> 01:40:26,587
Speaker 16: and they have got most seller and all time grants

2013
01:40:26,587 --> 01:40:28,307
Speaker 16: out there, but I just want to see someone like

2014
01:40:28,387 --> 01:40:31,107
Speaker 16: Brighton come up and upset the apple cart. And I

2015
01:40:31,187 --> 01:40:33,307
Speaker 16: need to say one last thing about Sam Kane, because

2016
01:40:33,347 --> 01:40:35,667
Speaker 16: you know, we we you know he did follow on

2017
01:40:36,027 --> 01:40:39,147
Speaker 16: from Whichie McCaw hardest that to follow, since I think

2018
01:40:39,187 --> 01:40:41,267
Speaker 16: I've seen it before Freddie Mercury at Live A but

2019
01:40:41,627 --> 01:40:44,627
Speaker 16: spending his whole all Beck's career trying to silence the

2020
01:40:44,707 --> 01:40:47,587
Speaker 16: critics and only really managing the silence them after that

2021
01:40:47,747 --> 01:40:51,547
Speaker 16: Ireland World Cup quarter final last year. That's a long time.

2022
01:40:51,667 --> 01:40:54,747
Speaker 16: That is a lot to you know, a big burden

2023
01:40:54,827 --> 01:40:57,987
Speaker 16: for someone like that, and including him throwing breaking in

2024
01:40:58,067 --> 01:41:00,547
Speaker 16: net halfway through. I think he's been one of the

2025
01:41:00,667 --> 01:41:04,507
Speaker 16: toughest and I guess, let's put it this way, he

2026
01:41:04,667 --> 01:41:08,787
Speaker 16: made the most of his talent, Sam Kane, so nothing

2027
01:41:08,867 --> 01:41:11,627
Speaker 16: but paud it and he deserves as flowers.

2028
01:41:12,227 --> 01:41:15,147
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Thanks James, always good to chat to you, mate.

2029
01:41:15,147 --> 01:41:17,747
Speaker 2: Thanks indeed, James mcconey a huge part of our Sundays.

2030
01:41:18,067 --> 01:41:20,947
Speaker 2: I hear him on the Alternative commentary Collective right across

2031
01:41:20,987 --> 01:41:23,387
Speaker 2: your socials crowd goes wild and of course here on

2032
01:41:23,467 --> 01:41:25,387
Speaker 2: news Talks heb seven away from.

2033
01:41:25,227 --> 01:41:29,427
Speaker 1: Two breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails

2034
01:41:31,067 --> 01:41:35,547
Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Lyme News Talk ZENB four.

2035
01:41:35,427 --> 01:41:43,787
Speaker 2: To two okay, I guess the grunter. That's the grunting

2036
01:41:43,827 --> 01:41:48,187
Speaker 2: of Monica Selis, of course, and our winner for tickets

2037
01:41:48,267 --> 01:41:51,547
Speaker 2: to the evening session December thirty at the ASB Classic

2038
01:41:52,107 --> 01:41:55,387
Speaker 2: is Chris Mack. Well done, Chris, you and somebody else.

2039
01:41:55,507 --> 01:41:58,347
Speaker 2: After the evening session at the ASB Classic on December

2040
01:41:58,387 --> 01:42:00,067
Speaker 2: the thirtieth, will be in touch to give you all

2041
01:42:00,107 --> 01:42:02,667
Speaker 2: the details. You can find out more at ASB Classic

2042
01:42:02,707 --> 01:42:05,267
Speaker 2: dot co, dot and z and more tickets to give

2043
01:42:05,267 --> 01:42:06,667
Speaker 2: away between two and three.

2044
01:42:07,747 --> 01:42:11,867
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

2045
01:42:12,667 --> 01:42:17,547
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

2046
01:42:17,707 --> 01:42:21,467
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of sport

2047
01:42:21,947 --> 01:42:22,587
Speaker 1: News Talk.

2048
01:42:22,507 --> 01:42:23,067
Speaker 11: Said been.

2049
01:42:24,507 --> 01:42:26,827
Speaker 2: Two o seven, thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport.

2050
01:42:26,867 --> 01:42:28,947
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine, Mark Kelly producing the show. We're here

2051
01:42:29,027 --> 01:42:30,907
Speaker 2: till three and then Tim Beveridge takes over with the

2052
01:42:31,107 --> 01:42:33,707
Speaker 2: Weekend Collective Sunday edition. Quite a bit to get through

2053
01:42:33,747 --> 01:42:36,187
Speaker 2: before then, though, Hayden wild standing by the chat to

2054
01:42:36,307 --> 01:42:38,147
Speaker 2: us what a year it's been for him, including a

2055
01:42:38,227 --> 01:42:42,067
Speaker 2: silver medal and a highly dramatic men's triathlon race at

2056
01:42:42,107 --> 01:42:44,627
Speaker 2: the Paris Olympic Games. How does he reflect on that

2057
01:42:44,867 --> 01:42:47,747
Speaker 2: and his year and what lies ahead for Hayden Wild

2058
01:42:48,307 --> 01:42:49,827
Speaker 2: We'll circle back to the All Blacks as well the

2059
01:42:50,027 --> 01:42:52,587
Speaker 2: post match thoughts of t J Pettenada, not only post

2060
01:42:52,627 --> 01:42:56,067
Speaker 2: match but post All Black's career for him and football.

2061
01:42:56,147 --> 01:42:58,867
Speaker 2: Double dose of football this afternoon in the A League

2062
01:42:58,907 --> 01:43:01,187
Speaker 2: means the Wellington Phoenix up against Melbourn victory at three

2063
01:43:01,187 --> 01:43:04,267
Speaker 2: point thirty. Auckland FC looking to continue their perfect start

2064
01:43:04,667 --> 01:43:07,027
Speaker 2: at six o'clock to night against McCarthy. We'll get you

2065
01:43:07,107 --> 01:43:11,387
Speaker 2: inside both camps and guess the grunter well grunts plural.

2066
01:43:11,507 --> 01:43:13,787
Speaker 2: We've got two more double passes to give away to

2067
01:43:13,867 --> 01:43:17,067
Speaker 2: the asp Classic if you can guess who's grunting when

2068
01:43:17,147 --> 01:43:20,187
Speaker 2: we play this audio out in the next little while.

2069
01:43:20,267 --> 01:43:22,987
Speaker 2: But as the clock techs around to eight pass two,

2070
01:43:23,227 --> 01:43:26,787
Speaker 2: as we always do at around about this time on

2071
01:43:26,947 --> 01:43:30,547
Speaker 2: weekend sport, it as time for for you to catch

2072
01:43:30,627 --> 01:43:32,227
Speaker 2: up on some of the stuff that might have escaped

2073
01:43:32,227 --> 01:43:34,187
Speaker 2: your attention in case you missed it. As what we

2074
01:43:34,307 --> 01:43:36,947
Speaker 2: call it, we start with Test cricket and Perth. We're

2075
01:43:36,987 --> 01:43:41,107
Speaker 2: India have dominated day two of the first Test against Australia.

2076
01:43:41,267 --> 01:43:46,307
Speaker 26: And beautifully negotiated by Kohu it's textbook stuff from the

2077
01:43:46,387 --> 01:43:49,787
Speaker 26: Indian opener and he has played his role for his

2078
01:43:49,907 --> 01:43:51,667
Speaker 26: country in partnership with Josephile.

2079
01:43:52,147 --> 01:43:56,947
Speaker 2: It was seventy two unbeaten opening stand. Dat Kylie will

2080
01:43:56,987 --> 01:44:01,787
Speaker 2: come and applaud his teammates India start of the day.

2081
01:44:01,867 --> 01:44:06,427
Speaker 2: We're nice position, are now controlling this Test match. They

2082
01:44:06,467 --> 01:44:08,707
Speaker 2: are one hundred and seventy two without lost. India in

2083
01:44:08,747 --> 01:44:10,347
Speaker 2: their second innings is the lead of two hundred and

2084
01:44:10,387 --> 01:44:13,947
Speaker 2: eighteen with all ten second innings wickets and hand hitting

2085
01:44:13,987 --> 01:44:16,987
Speaker 2: into day three to the Premier League Arsenal too good

2086
01:44:17,027 --> 01:44:18,187
Speaker 2: for Nottingham Forest.

2087
01:44:19,507 --> 01:44:26,027
Speaker 24: Starting on another splendid Arsenal doll.

2088
01:44:27,347 --> 01:44:31,387
Speaker 2: And this time it's the seventeen year old substitute.

2089
01:44:31,067 --> 01:44:34,387
Speaker 26: Eaton one year last naught out standard.

2090
01:44:35,627 --> 01:44:36,867
Speaker 2: Goals from all areas.

2091
01:44:37,987 --> 01:44:38,947
Speaker 1: I'm not really the.

2092
01:44:39,147 --> 01:44:41,387
Speaker 2: Icing on the cake here. The gunner's winning three nil

2093
01:44:41,467 --> 01:44:44,307
Speaker 2: to go fourth. London neighbors Chelsea up to third.

2094
01:44:44,707 --> 01:44:47,747
Speaker 27: Great keeping it in here, Jackson, you'll keep it throws,

2095
01:44:48,747 --> 01:44:52,547
Speaker 27: can't stop it falling rigs o Banandez and Chelsea.

2096
01:44:52,507 --> 01:44:55,267
Speaker 2: Have daylight here Chelsea winning two to one over Leicester.

2097
01:44:55,387 --> 01:44:58,027
Speaker 2: But the big shock was at the Eddy Ad where

2098
01:44:58,107 --> 01:45:00,107
Speaker 2: Men City hosted Tottenham.

2099
01:44:59,867 --> 01:45:01,827
Speaker 28: Could be more team for Tottenham. Two thick and he's

2100
01:45:01,867 --> 01:45:06,627
Speaker 28: running at and cask Carl Walker and Jason c Fleet.

2101
01:45:06,987 --> 01:45:10,907
Speaker 28: The route, yes, a route at the Etty Head, but

2102
01:45:11,027 --> 01:45:14,947
Speaker 28: it's run perpetrated by Chotenham hotspurather visitors. This will be

2103
01:45:15,027 --> 01:45:17,707
Speaker 28: the most eye catching score line right across Europe this

2104
01:45:17,827 --> 01:45:23,827
Speaker 28: weekend and it's five, yes, five consecutive defeats for the champions.

2105
01:45:23,947 --> 01:45:26,627
Speaker 2: Here four il winners Tottenham at men City this morning,

2106
01:45:26,667 --> 01:45:29,107
Speaker 2: closer to home the Sydney Derby and the A League

2107
01:45:29,147 --> 01:45:32,947
Speaker 2: means last night. This is why he has such an impact.

2108
01:45:32,987 --> 01:45:35,587
Speaker 4: At the outset of the second half. Here is Bavala.

2109
01:45:35,347 --> 01:45:41,587
Speaker 29: Bay to Shorty. Let's go Bodvala just as we were

2110
01:45:41,627 --> 01:45:45,787
Speaker 29: writing him up school Sydney at c S four goal

2111
01:45:46,427 --> 01:45:47,507
Speaker 29: and the wondrous.

2112
01:45:47,187 --> 01:45:51,267
Speaker 2: Comeback is cross and to taste Rugby Ireland far too

2113
01:45:51,307 --> 01:45:52,667
Speaker 2: good for Fiji this morning.

2114
01:45:52,987 --> 01:45:57,667
Speaker 30: The clock is rated Brenda Gas. We'll stop it into

2115
01:45:57,827 --> 01:46:03,307
Speaker 30: the sun after sputtering in tonight.

2116
01:46:03,587 --> 01:46:04,507
Speaker 14: This awesome.

2117
01:46:06,067 --> 01:46:14,707
Speaker 30: Yet again in Dublin funwittings for the first time since February.

2118
01:46:14,387 --> 01:46:19,387
Speaker 2: And South Africa inflicting further misery on Warren Gatland's Welsh side.

2119
01:46:19,627 --> 01:46:23,027
Speaker 27: It's three out of three on their UK tour. For

2120
01:46:23,187 --> 01:46:24,547
Speaker 27: Sia Colisi.

2121
01:46:25,787 --> 01:46:26,787
Speaker 4: And his spring books.

2122
01:46:27,467 --> 01:46:30,347
Speaker 27: It's seven tries to two and full time in Cardif

2123
01:46:30,627 --> 01:46:36,027
Speaker 27: It's Wales, twelve, South Africa forty five weekends.

2124
01:46:37,227 --> 01:46:39,867
Speaker 2: On News Talk SEB. What a year it's been for

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Speaker 2: Hayden wild He was part of an absolutely dramatic means

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Speaker 2: triathlon race at the Paris Olympic Games.

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Speaker 31: It has been nothing short of sensational from Hayden Wilds.

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Speaker 31: But here's alex He certainly closed the gap as they

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01:46:55,347 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 31: make the one hundred and eighty degree turn for home.

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01:46:59,067 --> 01:47:02,787
Speaker 31: Alex He's left it to the final moments where you

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01:47:02,867 --> 01:47:06,187
Speaker 31: are going to have a sprint finish here in Parish, Alexye.

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Speaker 31: He is within meters now and alex Ye has timed

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Speaker 31: it to absolute perfection. Alex Ye overtakes Hayden Wilds and

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Speaker 31: is in the gold medal position with the final bush

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Speaker 31: towards the finish line absolutely unbelievable. He turns for home.

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Speaker 31: Alex Ye, that is simply sensational. Weeds off our cap

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Speaker 31: to you here in New Zealand. It is heartbreaking for

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Speaker 31: Hayden Wilds, but alex Ye has left it to about

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Speaker 31: two hundred three hundred meters to go on the final

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Speaker 31: turn to win gold in the men's triathlon in Olympic

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Speaker 31: record time, beating out Hayden Wilds by seven agonizing, extruciating seconds.

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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, we're reliving it all. Nick Billie's wonderful call.

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Speaker 2: Olympic silver medal for Hayden Wi Wild in Paris, Super

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Speaker 2: Try champion this year, the first Kiwi winner of the

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Speaker 2: Laguna Puquette Triathlon in Thailand, third in the World Triathlon

2146
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Speaker 2: Series after winning the season finale in Spain last month,

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Speaker 2: and back home now to prepare for the iron Man

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Speaker 2: seventy point three World Championship in Topor on December fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Hayden Wild is with us on Weekend Sport. Actually, let's

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Speaker 2: start there. Hayden in Topor December fifteen, the Ironman seventy

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Speaker 2: point three World Championship.

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Speaker 32: How are you tracking towards that event? Okay, may hopefull

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01:48:39,987 --> 01:48:43,027
Speaker 32: as well? Yeah, tracking very well. I think I'm currently

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01:48:43,107 --> 01:48:46,347
Speaker 32: running on fumes. Has been a very big back end

2155
01:48:46,387 --> 01:48:49,307
Speaker 32: of the season, but I'm kind of yeah, looking forward

2156
01:48:49,347 --> 01:48:52,587
Speaker 32: to racing the cerning point three World champs in totpar

2157
01:48:52,747 --> 01:48:55,787
Speaker 32: just more so. It's just a different format and it

2158
01:48:55,947 --> 01:48:58,147
Speaker 32: kind of you know, spices up a little bit then

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01:48:58,227 --> 01:49:00,267
Speaker 32: to what I originally do, So it's actually kind of

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01:49:00,587 --> 01:49:01,947
Speaker 32: actually pushed the motivation up a.

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Speaker 1: Lot more So.

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01:49:02,987 --> 01:49:05,947
Speaker 2: The distance is quite different, aren't they? From Olympic distance

2163
01:49:05,987 --> 01:49:09,587
Speaker 2: one point nine k swim, ninety k bike, half marathon run.

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01:49:10,107 --> 01:49:12,147
Speaker 2: Have you had to up your training or do you

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01:49:12,187 --> 01:49:14,027
Speaker 2: already have the base that will allow you to do

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01:49:14,147 --> 01:49:15,787
Speaker 2: well and over those distances?

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Speaker 32: Yeah, so I guess pretty pretty lucky that training for

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Speaker 32: Olympic distance. You know, we're on about twenty five thirty

2169
01:49:23,267 --> 01:49:26,467
Speaker 32: hours of training a week, so there's just like a

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01:49:26,507 --> 01:49:29,667
Speaker 32: little like few tweaks that you do throughout the training sessions,

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01:49:29,667 --> 01:49:31,587
Speaker 32: you know, more time on the time trail bike consider

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01:49:31,627 --> 01:49:34,067
Speaker 32: the road bike is Yeah, predominantly you're you know, you're

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01:49:34,107 --> 01:49:37,587
Speaker 32: racing on the TT bike and then just like those

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Speaker 32: longer are teen po efforts normally obviously it's so weird

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01:49:41,627 --> 01:49:47,227
Speaker 32: like biomechanically and yeah, nearly speaking like it for me,

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01:49:47,307 --> 01:49:49,907
Speaker 32: it's so easy to run it it's to any point

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Speaker 32: three pace, but it's to learn how to run at

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01:49:52,467 --> 01:49:54,987
Speaker 32: that pace. It's like like it's so funny, it's a

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Speaker 32: weird thing to say, but you know, I'm more than

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Speaker 32: happy to run, you know, to two fifty two fifty

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01:50:00,707 --> 01:50:03,867
Speaker 32: fives off the bike for ten k, but it's actually

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Speaker 32: really hard for me to slow my body right down

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Speaker 32: and and run, you know, a little bit slower to

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Speaker 32: survive the twenty one k.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll work it out once topour rolls around.

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you about a couple of

2187
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:19,427
Speaker 2: your recent recent wins, the Laguna Pouquette triathlon in Thailand.

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01:50:19,427 --> 01:50:20,267
Speaker 2: How do you reflect on that?

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01:50:21,667 --> 01:50:24,147
Speaker 32: Yeah, it was an awesome experience, you know, like it's

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01:50:24,187 --> 01:50:26,627
Speaker 32: one of those iconic races and in the trifon world

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Speaker 32: that you want to win. So to take the win

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Speaker 32: and you know, I didn't realize but your first KIV

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Speaker 32: to do it, which is cool, you know, like many

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01:50:33,947 --> 01:50:36,587
Speaker 32: Olympic champions have won the race and it's a pretty

2195
01:50:36,707 --> 01:50:38,947
Speaker 32: iconic one and to get the course for record along

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01:50:38,987 --> 01:50:40,587
Speaker 32: with it was pretty awesome as well.

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Speaker 14: And just really enjoying my time on the time trial bike.

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Speaker 14: And I mean it was so hot, like I was.

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Speaker 32: I came from Abu Dhabi which was for two weeks,

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01:50:49,427 --> 01:50:51,467
Speaker 32: and yeah, it was actually like super hot there and

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Speaker 32: but the humidity wasn't as high.

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Speaker 14: But racing and pooquit.

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01:50:55,707 --> 01:50:58,907
Speaker 32: It was a storm the day before and it just

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01:50:59,147 --> 01:51:02,227
Speaker 32: made it so humid, and it wasn't actually too hot,

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01:51:02,307 --> 01:51:05,427
Speaker 32: like it was only like relatively speaking, it was only

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01:51:05,427 --> 01:51:06,227
Speaker 32: about thirty degrees.

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01:51:06,347 --> 01:51:08,147
Speaker 14: I was used to training in thirty five plus.

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01:51:09,027 --> 01:51:11,307
Speaker 32: But it was just the humidity just eats you from

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01:51:11,627 --> 01:51:14,667
Speaker 32: inside out and you're just trying and cool down, but

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01:51:14,747 --> 01:51:16,387
Speaker 32: your body course is so elevated.

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01:51:16,467 --> 01:51:19,147
Speaker 14: And for example, you know I was running for twelve k.

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01:51:19,467 --> 01:51:20,227
Speaker 14: I normally run for.

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Speaker 32: Twelve k about two fifty two fifty five pace at

2214
01:51:23,907 --> 01:51:27,387
Speaker 32: about one sixty five one seventy heart race. For this race,

2215
01:51:27,427 --> 01:51:29,707
Speaker 32: I was running thirty seconds slower at about three to

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01:51:29,787 --> 01:51:32,227
Speaker 32: twenty paces, and my heart rate was as as high

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01:51:32,267 --> 01:51:34,987
Speaker 32: as it was running Yeah, that two fifty two to

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Speaker 32: fifty five pace. So it just gives you an example

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Speaker 32: of how tough it is racing and that sort of community.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what about the winning Malaga in Spain in

2221
01:51:43,947 --> 01:51:47,267
Speaker 2: the final event of the World Triathlon Series. How satisfying

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01:51:47,387 --> 01:51:49,307
Speaker 2: was that it was?

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01:51:50,067 --> 01:51:51,027
Speaker 14: It was it was awesome.

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01:51:51,107 --> 01:51:53,427
Speaker 32: That was literally the way I raced there was literally

2225
01:51:53,467 --> 01:51:56,627
Speaker 32: how how I you know, you never Triython's is one

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01:51:56,627 --> 01:51:58,627
Speaker 32: of those ones where you can't control a race and

2227
01:51:58,667 --> 01:52:00,587
Speaker 32: you can't predict it. But the way that I won

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01:52:00,667 --> 01:52:02,187
Speaker 32: that race and the way I raced it was the

2229
01:52:02,267 --> 01:52:03,907
Speaker 32: way that I wanted to win Paris, and I know

2230
01:52:04,027 --> 01:52:05,947
Speaker 32: I had it in me to do it that sort

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01:52:05,987 --> 01:52:08,947
Speaker 32: of way, and yeah, the stars aligned and to take

2232
01:52:08,987 --> 01:52:11,387
Speaker 32: a grand final out I was. I was pretty proud

2233
01:52:11,427 --> 01:52:14,187
Speaker 32: of that one, and yeah, definitely one of my most

2234
01:52:14,227 --> 01:52:18,707
Speaker 32: completed complete races with all three disciplines and yet to

2235
01:52:18,747 --> 01:52:20,387
Speaker 32: take other grand final was pretty awesome.

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01:52:20,867 --> 01:52:23,147
Speaker 2: You mentioned Paris there. How do you reflect on the

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01:52:23,187 --> 01:52:24,067
Speaker 2: Olympic triathlon?

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01:52:25,747 --> 01:52:26,587
Speaker 17: Yeah, like it was.

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Speaker 32: It was, you know, I yeah, as much as you

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Speaker 32: want to you wanted to win the win the gold, silver,

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01:52:33,427 --> 01:52:35,787
Speaker 32: it was and I have to be proud of it,

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01:52:35,867 --> 01:52:38,187
Speaker 32: you know. I put everything out on the line and

2243
01:52:38,667 --> 01:52:40,707
Speaker 32: I was, yeah, absolutely stoked the way I raced, and

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01:52:40,867 --> 01:52:42,987
Speaker 32: I still to this day like it was.

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01:52:43,467 --> 01:52:44,427
Speaker 14: It was a great race to me.

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Speaker 32: You know, it was a little bit behind on the swim,

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01:52:47,507 --> 01:52:49,907
Speaker 32: but there was people in that swim that were in

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01:52:49,987 --> 01:52:52,267
Speaker 32: front of me that normally aren't, and there were people

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01:52:52,347 --> 01:52:54,547
Speaker 32: that normally swim in front of me were well behind,

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Speaker 32: and it was just the currents of the of the

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01:52:56,507 --> 01:52:59,987
Speaker 32: sin that was very tricky to navigate, and yeah, for

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01:53:00,067 --> 01:53:01,867
Speaker 32: me it only took you know, a good ten minutes

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01:53:02,467 --> 01:53:05,307
Speaker 32: to catch back up with the help of my teammate Dylan,

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01:53:05,387 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 32: And yeah, it was just like looking back, just it

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01:53:08,747 --> 01:53:10,467
Speaker 32: was a great it was a great team effort. But

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Speaker 32: also it was just yes, so cool to to grab

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01:53:14,627 --> 01:53:18,227
Speaker 32: another medal, you know, with trifle, you just don't you know,

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01:53:18,267 --> 01:53:20,627
Speaker 32: we don't get the opportunity to race for for six

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01:53:20,747 --> 01:53:24,027
Speaker 32: medals or anything per games. We only get one chance

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01:53:24,307 --> 01:53:27,067
Speaker 32: every four years, so it's you're not many people can

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01:53:27,107 --> 01:53:30,307
Speaker 32: say they've been to two games and got two Olympic medals.

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01:53:30,627 --> 01:53:32,667
Speaker 14: So pretty pretty proud of that.

2263
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Speaker 32: And yeah, I guess like one thing that I do

2264
01:53:35,067 --> 01:53:37,067
Speaker 32: look back on is I guess a little bit of

2265
01:53:37,107 --> 01:53:40,667
Speaker 32: frustration from the from the decision was I think we

2266
01:53:40,747 --> 01:53:44,907
Speaker 32: were expecting to potentially have the date postpone, but to

2267
01:53:44,987 --> 01:53:47,947
Speaker 32: have it at a different time was. Yeah, it was

2268
01:53:48,147 --> 01:53:51,347
Speaker 32: I think I caught everyone off guard. Being myself based

2269
01:53:51,347 --> 01:53:53,987
Speaker 32: in Andorra, we didn't prepare at all for the for

2270
01:53:54,067 --> 01:53:57,227
Speaker 32: the heat, you know, a bit cold up in the Pyrenees,

2271
01:53:57,267 --> 01:54:00,307
Speaker 32: and unfortunately the heat got to me in the race.

2272
01:54:00,347 --> 01:54:03,307
Speaker 32: And yeah, my plan on the run went absolutely perfectly,

2273
01:54:03,427 --> 01:54:06,827
Speaker 32: but we didn't calculate it was going to be thirties

2274
01:54:06,907 --> 01:54:09,347
Speaker 32: at high humidity. And as I explained before, you know,

2275
01:54:09,507 --> 01:54:12,867
Speaker 32: humidity kills you from inside inside out, and that's what

2276
01:54:12,987 --> 01:54:14,427
Speaker 32: it did in the last few kaes of the run.

2277
01:54:14,507 --> 01:54:17,627
Speaker 32: And yeah, it was what it was, and I guess

2278
01:54:17,667 --> 01:54:19,227
Speaker 32: it just makes me hungry to come back to La.

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Speaker 2: The reason for the for being pushed back was the

2280
01:54:23,307 --> 01:54:26,187
Speaker 2: was the scene right? The water quality? There was so

2281
01:54:26,387 --> 01:54:28,707
Speaker 2: much discussion about it in the in the lead up

2282
01:54:28,787 --> 01:54:31,507
Speaker 2: to it. How bad was the scene to swimming?

2283
01:54:33,427 --> 01:54:34,587
Speaker 14: It actually wasn't too bad.

2284
01:54:34,627 --> 01:54:37,707
Speaker 32: You know, it didn't smell or was. I personally thought

2285
01:54:37,707 --> 01:54:41,147
Speaker 32: it was fine. It was just more like the current

2286
01:54:41,267 --> 01:54:45,147
Speaker 32: was actually really really like tricky to navigate. So you know, example,

2287
01:54:45,187 --> 01:54:47,227
Speaker 32: if you go to the swimming pool and you want

2288
01:54:47,267 --> 01:54:51,067
Speaker 32: to and you and you have to swim one minute

2289
01:54:51,107 --> 01:54:54,347
Speaker 32: twenty for one hundred meters, that's how strong the current was,

2290
01:54:54,467 --> 01:54:57,027
Speaker 32: so trying to swim that and trying somew one twenty

2291
01:54:57,667 --> 01:54:59,627
Speaker 32: four hundred meters in the pool and that's how us

2292
01:55:00,027 --> 01:55:03,067
Speaker 32: the current was. So we went down, We went down

2293
01:55:03,147 --> 01:55:05,707
Speaker 32: the scene in you know, four minutes over four hundred

2294
01:55:05,707 --> 01:55:07,787
Speaker 32: and fifty meters. We came back in about ten minutes,

2295
01:55:07,867 --> 01:55:10,387
Speaker 32: So it just shows how hard it was to navigate

2296
01:55:10,427 --> 01:55:11,427
Speaker 32: and how hard that somee was.

2297
01:55:12,187 --> 01:55:15,387
Speaker 2: And you mentioned before how the time change altered things

2298
01:55:15,427 --> 01:55:17,587
Speaker 2: with the humidity and how that sort of caught up

2299
01:55:17,587 --> 01:55:20,187
Speaker 2: with you on the run. Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing.

2300
01:55:20,267 --> 01:55:23,427
Speaker 2: But would you have done anything differently given your time?

2301
01:55:23,507 --> 01:55:26,507
Speaker 14: Again, I don't, honestly.

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01:55:26,547 --> 01:55:28,027
Speaker 32: The only thing I would have done different would have

2303
01:55:28,067 --> 01:55:31,867
Speaker 32: been preparations training would have been just more a little

2304
01:55:31,907 --> 01:55:34,147
Speaker 32: bit more heat training, and that's all I would have done,

2305
01:55:34,187 --> 01:55:34,707
Speaker 32: to be honest.

2306
01:55:35,547 --> 01:55:38,147
Speaker 14: Yeah, everything else was perfect.

2307
01:55:38,267 --> 01:55:40,747
Speaker 32: Like I was swimming the best I've ever swum, I

2308
01:55:41,027 --> 01:55:44,227
Speaker 32: was riding extremely strong, and yeah, I was running the

2309
01:55:44,267 --> 01:55:46,227
Speaker 32: way I ran That race was exactly how I wanted

2310
01:55:46,227 --> 01:55:46,587
Speaker 32: to run it.

2311
01:55:46,947 --> 01:55:48,227
Speaker 14: It was just, yeah, it wasn't meant to be.

2312
01:55:49,027 --> 01:55:51,067
Speaker 2: As you look ahead, then, Hayden, is there one of

2313
01:55:51,147 --> 01:55:54,347
Speaker 2: the three disciplines where you can see the biggest potential

2314
01:55:54,427 --> 01:55:57,307
Speaker 2: for growth and improvement over the next Olympic cycle?

2315
01:55:58,747 --> 01:56:02,507
Speaker 32: Yeah, Like, obviously to swim is my weakest and I'm

2316
01:56:02,587 --> 01:56:06,027
Speaker 32: starting with a new swim coach. Obviously saw coach by Craig,

2317
01:56:06,107 --> 01:56:08,667
Speaker 32: but been a watchful live of my useoom coach, Fred

2318
01:56:09,867 --> 01:56:14,227
Speaker 32: who's who was the head of Yeah Spanish swimming for

2319
01:56:14,747 --> 01:56:17,387
Speaker 32: six Olympic cycles. He's been my coach for two years

2320
01:56:17,427 --> 01:56:19,947
Speaker 32: now and it's been a process. You know, We've had

2321
01:56:20,027 --> 01:56:25,267
Speaker 32: to completely change my biomechanical movements in the water, so

2322
01:56:25,347 --> 01:56:28,187
Speaker 32: my whole stroke technique, because yeah, as much as you

2323
01:56:28,227 --> 01:56:30,307
Speaker 32: can get fitter and faster in the pool, you're never

2324
01:56:30,387 --> 01:56:33,107
Speaker 32: going to get faster overall just with techniques.

2325
01:56:33,147 --> 01:56:34,667
Speaker 14: So techniques are massive part to play.

2326
01:56:34,747 --> 01:56:39,467
Speaker 32: And yeah, that was part of part of our restructure

2327
01:56:39,547 --> 01:56:43,747
Speaker 32: and into into Paris. And I know when my body

2328
01:56:44,547 --> 01:56:46,667
Speaker 32: gets used to the new style, I'll just get faster

2329
01:56:46,747 --> 01:56:49,547
Speaker 32: and faster in the water, which is as super satisfying

2330
01:56:49,587 --> 01:56:52,507
Speaker 32: to know that. And I know also we've found data

2331
01:56:52,627 --> 01:56:55,747
Speaker 32: within my training that there's many areas in the bike

2332
01:56:55,827 --> 01:56:59,507
Speaker 32: that I can improve as well. And that's the good

2333
01:56:59,547 --> 01:57:01,427
Speaker 32: thing is when I get faster in the swimm, I've

2334
01:57:01,427 --> 01:57:04,187
Speaker 32: become more efficient. When I've become more faster and more

2335
01:57:04,187 --> 01:57:07,227
Speaker 32: efficient on the bike makes my run even faster. So

2336
01:57:08,067 --> 01:57:10,027
Speaker 32: it's a pretty scary thing, but I know I can

2337
01:57:10,307 --> 01:57:13,107
Speaker 32: actually improve a heck of a lot heading into heading

2338
01:57:13,147 --> 01:57:16,347
Speaker 32: into la But it depends on how much my composition

2339
01:57:16,467 --> 01:57:19,227
Speaker 32: also improves as well, But I know which is it

2340
01:57:19,307 --> 01:57:21,067
Speaker 32: is pretty exciting that I know that I can improve

2341
01:57:21,227 --> 01:57:23,987
Speaker 32: still a loss in my I guess my third Olympic.

2342
01:57:23,747 --> 01:57:26,747
Speaker 2: Cycle absolutely that's bringing well bronze, Tokyo silver powers. I

2343
01:57:26,787 --> 01:57:29,387
Speaker 2: mean the stars are aligning, aren't they for gold in

2344
01:57:29,547 --> 01:57:32,627
Speaker 2: la or know, it's easy to say, but that is that.

2345
01:57:33,267 --> 01:57:35,627
Speaker 2: That's where we're headed now. But in amongst all of that,

2346
01:57:36,227 --> 01:57:38,147
Speaker 2: are you going to do more of the longer distance

2347
01:57:38,187 --> 01:57:40,627
Speaker 2: stuff or how will the next three or four years

2348
01:57:40,667 --> 01:57:41,387
Speaker 2: be structured for you?

2349
01:57:42,707 --> 01:57:44,627
Speaker 32: Yeah, so for the next two years, I've decided to

2350
01:57:44,667 --> 01:57:47,987
Speaker 32: take your break on the Olympic distance racing, and yeah,

2351
01:57:47,987 --> 01:57:49,867
Speaker 32: it's a good opportunity just to have a mental break

2352
01:57:49,907 --> 01:57:52,227
Speaker 32: as well. And for me, I'll be doing the T

2353
01:57:52,387 --> 01:57:55,747
Speaker 32: one hundred series, so it's like one hundred kilometer distance

2354
01:57:56,307 --> 01:57:58,827
Speaker 32: which is just below a half home man and that's

2355
01:57:58,867 --> 01:58:00,947
Speaker 32: the new pro series, So I'll be doing that for

2356
01:58:01,027 --> 01:58:03,347
Speaker 32: the next few years, but also doing the super try stuff.

2357
01:58:03,427 --> 01:58:07,667
Speaker 32: So keeping working on my weakness throughout the next two

2358
01:58:07,747 --> 01:58:12,947
Speaker 32: years and is having a good time, but also yeah,

2359
01:58:13,227 --> 01:58:17,027
Speaker 32: going into the supertri stuff that I know really well,

2360
01:58:17,387 --> 01:58:20,947
Speaker 32: but yeah, keeping that speed and that sharpness from that racing.

2361
01:58:21,107 --> 01:58:23,747
Speaker 32: So and then two years before the Olympics in la

2362
01:58:23,987 --> 01:58:26,507
Speaker 32: Is to get back on the horse and yeah, get

2363
01:58:26,547 --> 01:58:26,947
Speaker 32: back into it.

2364
01:58:27,187 --> 01:58:29,627
Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff. Well you provided us with a marvelous moment

2365
01:58:30,147 --> 01:58:32,747
Speaker 2: in Paris, Hayden. Great to have you back home all

2366
01:58:32,747 --> 01:58:35,347
Speaker 2: the west in Topaul middle of December, and then hopefully

2367
01:58:35,387 --> 01:58:36,947
Speaker 2: a break after that. Great to get the chance to

2368
01:58:36,987 --> 01:58:38,227
Speaker 2: chat mate. Thanks for taking the time.

2369
01:58:38,627 --> 01:58:39,427
Speaker 14: Cheers for having mate.

2370
01:58:39,467 --> 01:58:41,587
Speaker 2: No, thank you for joining us, Hayden. Hayden, while there

2371
01:58:42,147 --> 01:58:44,347
Speaker 2: are bronze and a silver now in the men's triathlon

2372
01:58:44,467 --> 01:58:47,387
Speaker 2: at the last two Olympic Games, so yeah, maybe maybe

2373
01:58:47,507 --> 01:58:49,907
Speaker 2: it's gold in la and twenty twenty eight. Good to

2374
01:58:49,987 --> 01:58:53,427
Speaker 2: know he's committed to the next Olympic cycle. It is

2375
01:58:53,547 --> 01:58:57,467
Speaker 2: two twenty four right. The ASB Classic returning to Auckland

2376
01:58:57,507 --> 01:59:00,587
Speaker 2: this summer. The women play December thirty to January five,

2377
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2380
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2381
01:59:14,787 --> 01:59:18,627
Speaker 2: guess who this grunter is and we'll give you tickets

2382
01:59:18,867 --> 01:59:21,907
Speaker 2: this time to the day session on the sixth of January.

2383
01:59:22,027 --> 01:59:25,187
Speaker 2: If you're one of the correct answers, okay, who is this.

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Speaker 14: All right?

2385
01:59:30,667 --> 01:59:35,427
Speaker 2: So clues Spanish. He is a four time Grand Slam

2386
01:59:35,547 --> 01:59:39,707
Speaker 2: winner and a surname sounds a little bit like a prison.

2387
01:59:46,307 --> 01:59:48,947
Speaker 2: If you know who the grunter is, listen carefully text

2388
01:59:49,027 --> 01:59:52,427
Speaker 2: the word tennis, then your name and then the name

2389
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Speaker 2: of the grunter to nine two nine two Spanish, four

2390
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Speaker 2: time Grand Slam winner. Surname sounds a little bit like

2391
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Speaker 2: a famous prison. Your name grunt is name to nine

2392
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Speaker 2: two ninety two to twenty five back in a moment

2393
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Speaker 2: talking some football, You.

2394
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Speaker 1: Be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred and

2395
02:00:15,867 --> 02:00:20,627
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Hym and GJ. Gunnerholmes,

2396
02:00:20,787 --> 02:00:23,267
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

2397
02:00:23,267 --> 02:00:26,147
Speaker 2: There'd be two twenty eight Auckland FC back in a

2398
02:00:26,307 --> 02:00:29,107
Speaker 2: league football action this evening as they look to extend

2399
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Speaker 2: their perfect start to their maiden season. They take on

2400
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Speaker 2: MacArthur FC six o'clock kickoff tonight as part of U

2401
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Speaker 2: Nite Round. One of their best in the first three

2402
02:00:37,747 --> 02:00:41,067
Speaker 2: games has been New Zealand fall back Francis Devreese Is

2403
02:00:41,107 --> 02:00:43,387
Speaker 2: he like just Devreese?

2404
02:00:45,107 --> 02:00:51,227
Speaker 27: And Francis de Freese gets on the score sheet, very first.

2405
02:00:51,067 --> 02:00:54,147
Speaker 29: Goal for New Zealand player who's torn away in the

2406
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Speaker 29: New Zealand.

2407
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Speaker 2: Domestic scene for some seasons before getting a chance to

2408
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Speaker 2: play in.

2409
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Speaker 4: The A League at Auckland FC.

2410
02:01:02,667 --> 02:01:05,667
Speaker 2: Weeks later, he's gotten your white shirt on us back

2411
02:01:05,707 --> 02:01:09,187
Speaker 2: and now he's gone. Francis Devreese joins us from Sydney

2412
02:01:09,187 --> 02:01:11,067
Speaker 2: ahead of the game tonight. Thanks for your time, Francis.

2413
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Speaker 2: Three games, three wins, three clean sheets. It could hardly

2414
02:01:15,107 --> 02:01:17,347
Speaker 2: have gone any better. What do you think AUCKLANDFC have

2415
02:01:17,427 --> 02:01:18,187
Speaker 2: started so well?

2416
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Speaker 23: Wait, dreams start.

2417
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Speaker 33: I think above everybody's expectations and the reason why it's

2418
02:01:25,227 --> 02:01:28,107
Speaker 33: been like that, There's always many factors, but one of

2419
02:01:28,187 --> 02:01:30,307
Speaker 33: them has just been the amount of work with putting

2420
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Speaker 33: the pre season like. It's been a very hard, long

2421
02:01:32,547 --> 02:01:35,107
Speaker 33: preseason and the coaches have come up with a clear

2422
02:01:35,187 --> 02:01:37,427
Speaker 33: plan of how to play and how we're going to

2423
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Speaker 33: implement that. So the lads have been working really hard

2424
02:01:40,227 --> 02:01:43,427
Speaker 33: and the culture off the field has been very progressive

2425
02:01:43,507 --> 02:01:45,467
Speaker 33: so far. So I think kind of a lot of

2426
02:01:45,547 --> 02:01:48,907
Speaker 33: things coming together to provide that outcome that you see

2427
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Speaker 33: on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Because of the buy and then the international break, Auckland

2429
02:01:52,667 --> 02:01:55,867
Speaker 2: FC haven't played for three weeks. Was there a sense

2430
02:01:55,987 --> 02:01:57,547
Speaker 2: that you would have liked to have sort of kept

2431
02:01:57,587 --> 02:01:59,227
Speaker 2: going just to continue that momentum?

2432
02:02:00,227 --> 02:02:01,147
Speaker 4: One percent.

2433
02:02:01,307 --> 02:02:02,907
Speaker 33: I mean you've been in sport a long time and

2434
02:02:02,987 --> 02:02:05,427
Speaker 33: you see hard is when when a team is doing well,

2435
02:02:05,507 --> 02:02:07,667
Speaker 33: you just want to keep playing and you have this

2436
02:02:07,867 --> 02:02:11,587
Speaker 33: mindset where everything is kind of aligned, and now it

2437
02:02:11,707 --> 02:02:13,787
Speaker 33: does feel a little bit like you're starting a game.

2438
02:02:14,387 --> 02:02:16,387
Speaker 33: Three weeks is a long time in the football world,

2439
02:02:16,507 --> 02:02:19,427
Speaker 33: so you know, we know our processes. We'll get back

2440
02:02:19,467 --> 02:02:21,107
Speaker 33: out there and do our best. But would have definitely

2441
02:02:21,267 --> 02:02:22,627
Speaker 33: liked to play in the last couple of weeks.

2442
02:02:22,827 --> 02:02:24,427
Speaker 2: It does seem like a while ago now. But how

2443
02:02:24,507 --> 02:02:26,627
Speaker 2: much did you enjoy the first New Zealand derby?

2444
02:02:28,107 --> 02:02:29,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it was great.

2445
02:02:29,587 --> 02:02:31,147
Speaker 33: Look like, we know a lot of the boys on

2446
02:02:31,507 --> 02:02:34,307
Speaker 33: their team and they know us well too, so it's

2447
02:02:34,347 --> 02:02:37,147
Speaker 33: always good to play against your mates. Of course, there

2448
02:02:37,267 --> 02:02:38,987
Speaker 33: was quite a bit of hype around that, as it

2449
02:02:39,027 --> 02:02:41,387
Speaker 33: would be with the first big derby and a long

2450
02:02:41,427 --> 02:02:44,027
Speaker 33: time in New Zealand, but very much enjoyed it obviously

2451
02:02:44,547 --> 02:02:48,027
Speaker 33: positive result for us, but it's always nice to share

2452
02:02:48,067 --> 02:02:49,907
Speaker 33: the pitch with those boys. And all of us grew

2453
02:02:50,027 --> 02:02:52,107
Speaker 33: up at a time where that wasn't a thing in

2454
02:02:52,147 --> 02:02:54,467
Speaker 33: New Zealand. So to be able to be a part

2455
02:02:54,467 --> 02:02:56,947
Speaker 33: of the inaugural one and to kind of provide that

2456
02:02:57,147 --> 02:03:00,427
Speaker 33: to the next generation of New Zealand young footballers coming through,

2457
02:03:00,467 --> 02:03:01,467
Speaker 33: that was really really cool.

2458
02:03:01,627 --> 02:03:03,467
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I know we're here to talk about MacArthur,

2459
02:03:03,547 --> 02:03:05,507
Speaker 2: but the first home derby isn't that far away. I

2460
02:03:05,667 --> 02:03:08,547
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks of way, Saturday December seven. How

2461
02:03:08,587 --> 02:03:10,867
Speaker 2: big an occasion you reckon? That might be at Mount

2462
02:03:10,907 --> 02:03:13,387
Speaker 2: Smart Hopefully I sell out.

2463
02:03:13,827 --> 02:03:17,067
Speaker 33: Look like you can't ask for many more occasions lateness

2464
02:03:17,107 --> 02:03:21,027
Speaker 33: in New Zealand, so hopefully hopefully Auckland turns out for it.

2465
02:03:21,107 --> 02:03:23,747
Speaker 33: I hear ticket sales are going well, so get in there,

2466
02:03:23,747 --> 02:03:26,387
Speaker 33: because I don't think there's many less I think you.

2467
02:03:26,427 --> 02:03:28,347
Speaker 2: Might be right, all right, let's have like at your performances.

2468
02:03:28,387 --> 02:03:30,987
Speaker 2: You've played every minute of all three games. How happy

2469
02:03:31,067 --> 02:03:32,827
Speaker 2: are you with the way you've been playing? Personally?

2470
02:03:34,147 --> 02:03:35,027
Speaker 16: Yeah, satisfied?

2471
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Speaker 33: Like as a footballer, you're you're kind of always quite

2472
02:03:37,947 --> 02:03:40,707
Speaker 33: self critical and you're always looking at things that you

2473
02:03:40,827 --> 02:03:43,987
Speaker 33: could or should be doing better. But when you speak

2474
02:03:44,027 --> 02:03:45,867
Speaker 33: with the people around you, the people close to you,

2475
02:03:45,987 --> 02:03:49,307
Speaker 33: it's a great perspective builder. And so getting a lot

2476
02:03:49,347 --> 02:03:52,227
Speaker 33: of nice messages you know, from family, from friends, you know,

2477
02:03:52,427 --> 02:03:55,747
Speaker 33: kind of off support and also of you know, encouragement

2478
02:03:55,867 --> 02:03:58,387
Speaker 33: to keep this going. So may I'm stoked with how

2479
02:03:58,387 --> 02:04:01,467
Speaker 33: it's gone so far. I'm also very conscious that we're

2480
02:04:01,507 --> 02:04:04,467
Speaker 33: only three games in, so this is the beginning.

2481
02:04:04,627 --> 02:04:06,027
Speaker 4: Hopefully there's plenty more to come.

2482
02:04:06,507 --> 02:04:08,227
Speaker 2: Something which has called the eye in the first three

2483
02:04:08,307 --> 02:04:10,667
Speaker 2: game for a lot of people. As the combination you're

2484
02:04:10,707 --> 02:04:13,867
Speaker 2: forging down the left hand side with Liam Gillion, how

2485
02:04:13,947 --> 02:04:17,507
Speaker 2: much you enjoying that particular combination peeps.

2486
02:04:17,547 --> 02:04:20,107
Speaker 33: You know, I played against them in the National League

2487
02:04:20,107 --> 02:04:22,267
Speaker 33: and that wasn't too much fun, So it was pretty

2488
02:04:22,467 --> 02:04:23,827
Speaker 33: pretty stoke when he came.

2489
02:04:23,747 --> 02:04:24,267
Speaker 4: Over to us.

2490
02:04:24,707 --> 02:04:26,347
Speaker 33: We're actually roommates as well a lot of the time

2491
02:04:26,427 --> 02:04:28,667
Speaker 33: on a wait trips, so we obviously get on well

2492
02:04:28,707 --> 02:04:30,627
Speaker 33: personally too, and I think that counts for a lot.

2493
02:04:31,067 --> 02:04:32,547
Speaker 33: When you're out on the perch, you know, you've got

2494
02:04:32,587 --> 02:04:35,187
Speaker 33: that level of trust with one another, and Ma is

2495
02:04:35,267 --> 02:04:37,187
Speaker 33: on fire, like are just passing the ball and run

2496
02:04:37,267 --> 02:04:38,547
Speaker 33: and it makes me look good.

2497
02:04:38,827 --> 02:04:39,307
Speaker 16: Happy day.

2498
02:04:40,427 --> 02:04:43,067
Speaker 2: So MacArthur tonight they got all right. They beat Sydney

2499
02:04:43,187 --> 02:04:45,907
Speaker 2: FC away last time out. How do you assess the

2500
02:04:45,987 --> 02:04:47,467
Speaker 2: threat that they'll present to you tonight.

2501
02:04:48,587 --> 02:04:51,427
Speaker 33: Yeah, very good team going forwards. I think they create

2502
02:04:51,747 --> 02:04:53,987
Speaker 33: a lot of chances and they kind of bank on

2503
02:04:54,107 --> 02:04:56,547
Speaker 33: that as well with their style of play. I think

2504
02:04:56,787 --> 02:04:58,987
Speaker 33: it'll be a tough game also, our first one over

2505
02:04:59,067 --> 02:05:01,507
Speaker 33: an oars, so you've got to think about the travel

2506
02:05:01,587 --> 02:05:03,747
Speaker 33: and all of that. But I think the boys are

2507
02:05:03,827 --> 02:05:06,707
Speaker 33: up for it, and we're pretty keen to impose ourselves

2508
02:05:06,747 --> 02:05:08,787
Speaker 33: as well in Australia. You know, like you talked about

2509
02:05:08,827 --> 02:05:11,627
Speaker 33: the great start that we've had for us, it's you know,

2510
02:05:11,747 --> 02:05:14,547
Speaker 33: kind of forging ahead and trying to stamp our mark

2511
02:05:14,627 --> 02:05:17,347
Speaker 33: on a new thing that we haven't achieved yet, you know,

2512
02:05:17,467 --> 02:05:20,107
Speaker 33: first away when or first away points, maybe get a

2513
02:05:20,147 --> 02:05:21,827
Speaker 33: clean sheet away. So these are the kind of things

2514
02:05:21,867 --> 02:05:24,427
Speaker 33: we're looking for. We obviously know they're dangerous, but we

2515
02:05:24,507 --> 02:05:26,787
Speaker 33: also know what we're really good at and that's what

2516
02:05:26,827 --> 02:05:27,427
Speaker 33: we're going to bring.

2517
02:05:27,787 --> 02:05:30,787
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about your skipper, Hiroki Sakay You know,

2518
02:05:31,347 --> 02:05:33,587
Speaker 2: it seems from the outside looking in as though he's

2519
02:05:33,627 --> 02:05:38,147
Speaker 2: already a pretty influential guy in your team environment. What

2520
02:05:38,467 --> 02:05:40,267
Speaker 2: is he like inside Auckland FC?

2521
02:05:42,307 --> 02:05:44,347
Speaker 33: When you've been to three World Cups and you're still

2522
02:05:44,387 --> 02:05:46,267
Speaker 33: the most humble guy in the changing room. I think

2523
02:05:46,307 --> 02:05:49,587
Speaker 33: it affects a lot of people just with the demeanor

2524
02:05:49,667 --> 02:05:52,907
Speaker 33: that he has. So he's a massive positive role model

2525
02:05:52,947 --> 02:05:54,867
Speaker 33: for many of us, you know, definitely for me, I'm

2526
02:05:54,907 --> 02:05:56,507
Speaker 33: sure a lot of the other boys feel the same.

2527
02:05:57,227 --> 02:05:59,747
Speaker 33: As a football player, obviously is quality, I don't need

2528
02:05:59,787 --> 02:06:01,667
Speaker 33: to hype that up because you get to watch.

2529
02:06:01,507 --> 02:06:02,187
Speaker 9: It every weekend.

2530
02:06:02,547 --> 02:06:06,187
Speaker 33: But as a person, you know, very humble, very willing

2531
02:06:06,827 --> 02:06:09,467
Speaker 33: to speak and share his knowledge and also to have

2532
02:06:09,547 --> 02:06:12,627
Speaker 33: a laugh. So yeah, he's definitely a big driving force

2533
02:06:12,667 --> 02:06:14,907
Speaker 33: in the dressing room for making everyone feel comfortable, but

2534
02:06:14,987 --> 02:06:18,187
Speaker 33: then also showing us, you know, what is what you

2535
02:06:18,267 --> 02:06:20,787
Speaker 33: could be capable of if you have the level of

2536
02:06:20,867 --> 02:06:22,667
Speaker 33: dedication and professionalism that he has.

2537
02:06:23,587 --> 02:06:25,787
Speaker 2: Speaking of international football, we saw you play your first

2538
02:06:25,787 --> 02:06:27,827
Speaker 2: game for New Zealand and over two years on Monday

2539
02:06:27,827 --> 02:06:30,187
Speaker 2: against some More scored a goal as well, your first

2540
02:06:30,227 --> 02:06:32,027
Speaker 2: one for the All Whites. How much did you enjoy

2541
02:06:32,107 --> 02:06:33,627
Speaker 2: being back in the national setup.

2542
02:06:34,187 --> 02:06:35,947
Speaker 33: Heys man, I'm glad you didn't hold your breath for

2543
02:06:36,027 --> 02:06:36,587
Speaker 33: my first goal.

2544
02:06:36,787 --> 02:06:37,627
Speaker 4: There's a long time.

2545
02:06:42,427 --> 02:06:45,827
Speaker 33: Very stoked, you know, Like when I got injured and

2546
02:06:46,227 --> 02:06:48,507
Speaker 33: chose to come back to New Zealand instead of remaining

2547
02:06:48,587 --> 02:06:51,067
Speaker 33: in Europe, I was very conscious that I was giving

2548
02:06:51,147 --> 02:06:52,947
Speaker 33: up some things and the All Whites was one of them.

2549
02:06:52,987 --> 02:06:55,427
Speaker 33: And Bays was always very honest with me, saying that

2550
02:06:55,867 --> 02:06:58,107
Speaker 33: I needed to be back in a professional environment before

2551
02:06:58,107 --> 02:07:01,267
Speaker 33: I'd be considered again. So to be able to get

2552
02:07:01,307 --> 02:07:04,707
Speaker 33: the chance again and first game on home soil as well,

2553
02:07:05,347 --> 02:07:06,187
Speaker 33: it meant the world to me.

2554
02:07:06,667 --> 02:07:08,227
Speaker 9: Like had mum and dad.

2555
02:07:08,107 --> 02:07:11,627
Speaker 33: Watching, had my partner Lisa watching, and the goal was

2556
02:07:11,707 --> 02:07:12,827
Speaker 33: kind of the cherry on top, you know.

2557
02:07:12,867 --> 02:07:14,947
Speaker 12: I was just stoked to be there and be able.

2558
02:07:14,787 --> 02:07:17,347
Speaker 16: To put on the shirt and you feel ten feet

2559
02:07:17,347 --> 02:07:18,267
Speaker 16: toul when you got it there.

2560
02:07:18,667 --> 02:07:21,467
Speaker 2: It's a good finish, man, I mean, it's no foregone

2561
02:07:21,467 --> 02:07:23,667
Speaker 2: conclusion you'll get that in the net. That's a good finish.

2562
02:07:24,427 --> 02:07:27,987
Speaker 33: Yeah, facts, I'm really happy with it, you know, like

2563
02:07:28,427 --> 02:07:32,667
Speaker 33: obviously working on those kind of finishes. Yeah, when you

2564
02:07:32,747 --> 02:07:35,267
Speaker 33: hit one of them in training, you go ballistic, you know. Yeah,

2565
02:07:35,707 --> 02:07:39,387
Speaker 33: that was an incredible goal. So the game obviously five

2566
02:07:39,427 --> 02:07:41,427
Speaker 33: min al up you couldn't go knee sliding into the corner,

2567
02:07:41,507 --> 02:07:42,987
Speaker 33: but that's kind of how it felt like.

2568
02:07:44,187 --> 02:07:46,587
Speaker 2: And with a World Cup on the horizon, All Whites

2569
02:07:46,667 --> 02:07:50,147
Speaker 2: now just two games away from securing qualification, how keen

2570
02:07:50,227 --> 02:07:51,867
Speaker 2: are you to stay involved in the All Whites over

2571
02:07:51,907 --> 02:07:53,307
Speaker 2: the next couple of years and maybe go to the

2572
02:07:53,347 --> 02:07:53,747
Speaker 2: World Cup?

2573
02:07:55,107 --> 02:07:55,467
Speaker 25: Very much?

2574
02:07:55,547 --> 02:07:59,387
Speaker 33: So, you know, like it's a really real motivator every

2575
02:07:59,507 --> 02:08:03,067
Speaker 33: day now, especially when you've just been in that environment,

2576
02:08:03,147 --> 02:08:05,707
Speaker 33: had a taste of it, Like, I'm under no illusions

2577
02:08:05,787 --> 02:08:08,267
Speaker 33: that I need to continue to play really well for

2578
02:08:08,427 --> 02:08:12,547
Speaker 33: Auckland to remain in contention, because there's very many other

2579
02:08:12,627 --> 02:08:15,547
Speaker 33: good players, especially in my position too, So mate, I'll

2580
02:08:15,627 --> 02:08:18,467
Speaker 33: just keep doing the same thing, like it is a boost,

2581
02:08:18,547 --> 02:08:21,267
Speaker 33: you know, it is a bit of an extrinsic like

2582
02:08:21,787 --> 02:08:23,907
Speaker 33: this is what you could get if you keep going well,

2583
02:08:24,827 --> 02:08:27,907
Speaker 33: although I think the more important thing is sticking with

2584
02:08:28,027 --> 02:08:31,867
Speaker 33: your internal standards and consistently trying to give your best,

2585
02:08:31,947 --> 02:08:34,307
Speaker 33: you know, your best if at your best character, your

2586
02:08:34,347 --> 02:08:36,947
Speaker 33: best quality, and then we'll see what happens after that.

2587
02:08:37,627 --> 02:08:41,147
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the conversational conversations with Darren Basley before

2588
02:08:41,187 --> 02:08:44,347
Speaker 2: you had a lot of time overseas playing Switzerland US Sweden.

2589
02:08:44,987 --> 02:08:47,427
Speaker 2: When you return back to New Zealand, did you feel

2590
02:08:47,467 --> 02:08:50,827
Speaker 2: as though your days as a full time pro might

2591
02:08:50,947 --> 02:08:51,347
Speaker 2: be done?

2592
02:08:52,947 --> 02:08:56,067
Speaker 33: Yeah, for sure, mate, Like I'm not going to lie

2593
02:08:56,187 --> 02:08:58,467
Speaker 33: and say like I had this all planned out of

2594
02:08:58,507 --> 02:08:59,467
Speaker 33: my head, because we don't even know.

2595
02:08:59,587 --> 02:09:00,907
Speaker 12: Awkwardness there was going to be a thing.

2596
02:09:02,107 --> 02:09:03,827
Speaker 33: Even when I was back here playing, I knew there

2597
02:09:03,867 --> 02:09:08,067
Speaker 33: were no guarantees of signing for Auckland when they became

2598
02:09:08,147 --> 02:09:10,307
Speaker 33: a club. So when I came back to New Zee,

2599
02:09:10,307 --> 02:09:12,307
Speaker 33: it was a very conscious choice of me and my

2600
02:09:12,427 --> 02:09:13,027
Speaker 33: partner Lissa.

2601
02:09:13,067 --> 02:09:15,667
Speaker 16: We're moving back to essentially start.

2602
02:09:15,507 --> 02:09:18,507
Speaker 33: A new life together after many years overseas, So to

2603
02:09:18,587 --> 02:09:22,467
Speaker 33: have the opportunity almost like a third life of professional

2604
02:09:22,507 --> 02:09:25,107
Speaker 33: football for me is so you don't take for granted.

2605
02:09:25,267 --> 02:09:27,747
Speaker 33: So that's why you know I was talking about the

2606
02:09:28,107 --> 02:09:30,707
Speaker 33: motivation coming from inside again before.

2607
02:09:30,867 --> 02:09:32,507
Speaker 23: That's what it feels like every.

2608
02:09:32,347 --> 02:09:33,227
Speaker 16: Morning when you get up.

2609
02:09:33,307 --> 02:09:36,587
Speaker 33: You know you've got this wonderful opportunity and you know

2610
02:09:36,747 --> 02:09:39,147
Speaker 33: not to take that for granted. So that's the kind

2611
02:09:39,187 --> 02:09:41,027
Speaker 33: of mindset that I try and approach each day with.

2612
02:09:41,427 --> 02:09:44,707
Speaker 2: Well, it's obviously working for any You've started the season

2613
02:09:44,747 --> 02:09:47,467
Speaker 2: brilliantly back in the all whites of goal. It's all

2614
02:09:47,507 --> 02:09:49,147
Speaker 2: gone well for you at the moment. Mate, long mate,

2615
02:09:49,187 --> 02:09:51,907
Speaker 2: continue all the best against MacArthur tonight. Thanks for taking

2616
02:09:51,947 --> 02:09:52,667
Speaker 2: the time for a chat.

2617
02:09:52,987 --> 02:09:54,067
Speaker 33: I really appreciate it.

2618
02:09:54,187 --> 02:09:54,707
Speaker 16: Have a good day.

2619
02:09:54,867 --> 02:09:57,427
Speaker 2: You have a good day too, Francis Devrees there from

2620
02:09:57,427 --> 02:09:59,907
Speaker 2: Auckland FC. They take on MacArthur six o'clock to night,

2621
02:09:59,947 --> 02:10:02,707
Speaker 2: New Zealand time three point thirty. This afternoon, it's the

2622
02:10:02,747 --> 02:10:06,147
Speaker 2: Wellington Phoenix back in action. They take on Melbourne Victory,

2623
02:10:06,347 --> 02:10:10,427
Speaker 2: top side in the competition from three point thirty. Midfielder

2624
02:10:10,507 --> 02:10:13,587
Speaker 2: Paulo Retroy missed the first three games of the season

2625
02:10:13,667 --> 02:10:16,987
Speaker 2: as he recovered from a nigli injury, but he debuted

2626
02:10:17,027 --> 02:10:18,987
Speaker 2: in the last game, a three nil win over the

2627
02:10:19,067 --> 02:10:21,707
Speaker 2: Central Coast Mariners. I spoke to Polo Retroy during the

2628
02:10:21,747 --> 02:10:23,907
Speaker 2: week and asked how he came through his first game

2629
02:10:24,187 --> 02:10:25,067
Speaker 2: in a Phoenix shirt.

2630
02:10:25,347 --> 02:10:25,587
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2631
02:10:25,787 --> 02:10:28,067
Speaker 24: Look, I guess before the game was sort of a

2632
02:10:28,147 --> 02:10:30,787
Speaker 24: plan to do forty five or sixty and I ended

2633
02:10:30,867 --> 02:10:33,507
Speaker 24: up getting, yeah, the sixty minutes, and so I was

2634
02:10:33,627 --> 02:10:36,587
Speaker 24: happy to come out there and get back in one piece.

2635
02:10:36,747 --> 02:10:39,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, must have been a nice occasion too. A three

2636
02:10:39,547 --> 02:10:41,187
Speaker 2: nil went away at the Mariners off the back of

2637
02:10:41,227 --> 02:10:43,667
Speaker 2: the loss in the derby. How much of a confidence boost.

2638
02:10:43,467 --> 02:10:44,067
Speaker 6: Was it for the team?

2639
02:10:44,707 --> 02:10:45,307
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely.

2640
02:10:45,347 --> 02:10:48,307
Speaker 24: I think like obviously, like you said, we were disappointed

2641
02:10:48,387 --> 02:10:51,547
Speaker 24: from the result in the Auckland game, and I think

2642
02:10:51,547 --> 02:10:53,667
Speaker 24: it was just like that little bit extra desire I

2643
02:10:53,747 --> 02:10:57,427
Speaker 24: guess to you know, show you that obviously we care.

2644
02:10:57,987 --> 02:10:58,627
Speaker 10: It's the fans.

2645
02:10:58,667 --> 02:11:02,387
Speaker 24: So now it was good top performance from the guys.

2646
02:11:02,427 --> 02:11:05,187
Speaker 24: I think all around quite a good display and yeah,

2647
02:11:05,267 --> 02:11:08,187
Speaker 24: hopefully that can sort of help us build a platform

2648
02:11:08,467 --> 02:11:08,907
Speaker 24: to kick on.

2649
02:11:08,947 --> 02:11:11,347
Speaker 2: For the rest of the season, an international break and

2650
02:11:11,387 --> 02:11:14,147
Speaker 2: then across. Now for you night round against Victory on Sunday.

2651
02:11:14,147 --> 02:11:17,267
Speaker 2: What's the situation with your minute? So will you be

2652
02:11:17,307 --> 02:11:19,387
Speaker 2: able to play another hour or maybe even longer?

2653
02:11:20,267 --> 02:11:20,467
Speaker 14: Yeah?

2654
02:11:20,507 --> 02:11:20,867
Speaker 10: I think so.

2655
02:11:21,867 --> 02:11:23,987
Speaker 24: Look at the moment, I'm just trying to do the

2656
02:11:24,027 --> 02:11:27,427
Speaker 24: best I can with whatever minutes. So yeah, I think

2657
02:11:27,467 --> 02:11:30,787
Speaker 24: that's up to Chief here and the and the fitness stuff.

2658
02:11:30,827 --> 02:11:33,067
Speaker 24: But yeah, the plans sort of around something similar or

2659
02:11:33,107 --> 02:11:35,067
Speaker 24: maybe try and get a little bit more out of me,

2660
02:11:35,227 --> 02:11:36,747
Speaker 24: But yeah, we'll see how it goes.

2661
02:11:36,987 --> 02:11:38,907
Speaker 2: How did you find it out there? Did you know?

2662
02:11:38,987 --> 02:11:41,467
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy playing for Wellington Phoenix?

2663
02:11:41,787 --> 02:11:45,467
Speaker 24: Yeah, obviously for me, like it's a yeah, I was

2664
02:11:45,547 --> 02:11:48,867
Speaker 24: really proud and it's like, obviously to get a result

2665
02:11:48,987 --> 02:11:51,667
Speaker 24: like that in my first game, I probably didn't really

2666
02:11:51,707 --> 02:11:54,347
Speaker 24: think that would go like that, but yeah, no, I'm

2667
02:11:54,387 --> 02:11:56,307
Speaker 24: really happy and I'm really happy to be here and

2668
02:11:56,467 --> 02:12:00,507
Speaker 24: hopefully I can contribute on the pitch the best I can.

2669
02:12:00,707 --> 02:12:02,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the style that Wellington play and your role

2670
02:12:02,987 --> 02:12:05,667
Speaker 2: inside that style is something you feel you can contribute

2671
02:12:05,707 --> 02:12:06,907
Speaker 2: pretty sonificantly in.

2672
02:12:07,427 --> 02:12:07,947
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so.

2673
02:12:08,067 --> 02:12:10,467
Speaker 24: I think the way the team plays sort of suits

2674
02:12:10,547 --> 02:12:15,667
Speaker 24: my style of gameplay. So yeah, I'm hoping to contribute.

2675
02:12:15,227 --> 02:12:18,507
Speaker 2: A lot in Melbourne Victory on Sunday. You've played them

2676
02:12:18,507 --> 02:12:21,347
Speaker 2: a lot in Derby's and Big Blues. I had a

2677
02:12:21,427 --> 02:12:23,267
Speaker 2: quick chick. Actually you've played them twenty three times and

2678
02:12:23,347 --> 02:12:26,667
Speaker 2: only lost seven, so they're your buddies man. You know,

2679
02:12:27,187 --> 02:12:28,547
Speaker 2: why do you go so well against Victory?

2680
02:12:28,987 --> 02:12:29,307
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2681
02:12:30,307 --> 02:12:31,747
Speaker 24: I used to play there as a junior, so I

2682
02:12:31,747 --> 02:12:34,387
Speaker 24: don't know. Maybe I've got some inside knowledge that that

2683
02:12:34,547 --> 02:12:37,987
Speaker 24: I don't know about. But now I think for me

2684
02:12:38,147 --> 02:12:40,307
Speaker 24: growing up, like obviously being a Melbourne boy, like I

2685
02:12:40,347 --> 02:12:43,707
Speaker 24: always look forward to that picture. Obviously, they're a big club,

2686
02:12:43,867 --> 02:12:45,987
Speaker 24: one of the biggest clubs in the A League, so yeah,

2687
02:12:46,147 --> 02:12:49,187
Speaker 24: they're always a top team and they obviously got a

2688
02:12:49,227 --> 02:12:52,387
Speaker 24: good team now, good coach, well drilled out the top

2689
02:12:52,427 --> 02:12:54,267
Speaker 24: of the table I think or near there.

2690
02:12:54,947 --> 02:12:56,707
Speaker 10: So yeah, that will be a good game.

2691
02:12:56,827 --> 02:12:58,507
Speaker 24: I'm really excited for it, and I think it'll be

2692
02:12:58,547 --> 02:13:00,467
Speaker 24: a good game for us to show our quality as

2693
02:13:00,467 --> 02:13:01,467
Speaker 24: well like the Mariners.

2694
02:13:02,547 --> 02:13:03,947
Speaker 10: So yeah, hopefully it goes that way as well.

2695
02:13:04,027 --> 02:13:06,107
Speaker 2: That's Polo rech Rait and you to the Phoenix the season,

2696
02:13:06,147 --> 02:13:08,147
Speaker 2: but to a winning start. He will start again this

2697
02:13:08,267 --> 02:13:11,187
Speaker 2: afternoon against Melbourne Victory. That game is about fifty minutes

2698
02:13:11,387 --> 02:13:15,627
Speaker 2: away at in Sydney for a U night round. All

2699
02:13:15,667 --> 02:13:17,307
Speaker 2: of the games are in Sydney this weekend for the

2700
02:13:17,387 --> 02:13:20,267
Speaker 2: men and the women. All right, guess the grunter. We've

2701
02:13:20,307 --> 02:13:23,027
Speaker 2: got our winner for the last one off to the

2702
02:13:23,147 --> 02:13:28,227
Speaker 2: day session on January the sixth, is Joy Phillips. Well done, Joy,

2703
02:13:28,547 --> 02:13:32,347
Speaker 2: you correctly identified our grunter as a four time Grand

2704
02:13:32,427 --> 02:13:34,827
Speaker 2: Slam wanner from Spain with a name that sounds a

2705
02:13:34,867 --> 02:13:38,307
Speaker 2: bit like a prison as Carlos al Caraz. Carlos el

2706
02:13:38,387 --> 02:13:40,987
Speaker 2: Carez was the answer. Now we go straight into our

2707
02:13:41,067 --> 02:13:45,147
Speaker 2: final grunter of the weekend. This is for two tickets

2708
02:13:45,187 --> 02:13:47,987
Speaker 2: to the evening session at the ASB Classic on the

2709
02:13:48,107 --> 02:13:52,347
Speaker 2: thirtieth of December, so the front end rather of the

2710
02:13:52,547 --> 02:13:55,747
Speaker 2: Women's Week. In fact, it's the first evening session of

2711
02:13:55,867 --> 02:13:58,787
Speaker 2: the Women's Week. So all you have to do is

2712
02:13:58,987 --> 02:14:08,267
Speaker 2: tell me who you think this is. Yes, and fairly

2713
02:14:08,347 --> 02:14:10,947
Speaker 2: vigorous grunting going on there. If you're not who it is,

2714
02:14:11,627 --> 02:14:12,987
Speaker 2: I'll give you a call in a minute. Text the

2715
02:14:13,027 --> 02:14:16,147
Speaker 2: word tennis, then your name and then who you think

2716
02:14:16,227 --> 02:14:20,987
Speaker 2: that is? To nine two niney two. Russian former world

2717
02:14:21,067 --> 02:14:25,667
Speaker 2: number one, five time Grand Slam winner, has won each

2718
02:14:25,947 --> 02:14:28,627
Speaker 2: of the form majors at a stage during her career,

2719
02:14:29,027 --> 02:14:33,027
Speaker 2: and at one stage I remember they took a reading

2720
02:14:33,107 --> 02:14:37,067
Speaker 2: of how loud her grunting was, and it was it

2721
02:14:37,187 --> 02:14:38,427
Speaker 2: was up there. I don't know if it was a

2722
02:14:38,467 --> 02:14:41,787
Speaker 2: world record, but it was certainly loud. So Russian former

2723
02:14:41,827 --> 02:14:51,107
Speaker 2: world number one. If you think you know who that is,

2724
02:14:51,427 --> 02:14:54,387
Speaker 2: Text the word tennis, then your name and then the

2725
02:14:54,507 --> 02:14:58,227
Speaker 2: identity of the grunter to nine two nine two eighteen

2726
02:14:58,307 --> 02:14:58,907
Speaker 2: away from three.

2727
02:14:59,667 --> 02:15:03,547
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason

2728
02:15:03,627 --> 02:15:07,307
Speaker 1: Fine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand he's most trusted home

2729
02:15:07,347 --> 02:15:08,107
Speaker 1: builder News.

2730
02:15:08,067 --> 02:15:10,747
Speaker 2: Dogs two forty five. I want to circle back to

2731
02:15:10,787 --> 02:15:13,147
Speaker 2: the rugby to finish t J pet Andada played his

2732
02:15:13,307 --> 02:15:15,707
Speaker 2: final Test match for the All Blacks this morning and

2733
02:15:16,027 --> 02:15:19,667
Speaker 2: and leading the Hacker. Before the game, he he made

2734
02:15:19,667 --> 02:15:23,827
Speaker 2: a statement used some different words at the start of

2735
02:15:23,867 --> 02:15:27,267
Speaker 2: the Hacker. He did some postmatch media a short time

2736
02:15:27,307 --> 02:15:29,987
Speaker 2: ago and was asked what he said before the Hauker.

2737
02:15:30,547 --> 02:15:36,427
Speaker 34: The first line that I said was gotenehucker cartur Or,

2738
02:15:37,027 --> 02:15:42,507
Speaker 34: which means the suckers for everyone in Altor. And we've

2739
02:15:42,547 --> 02:15:45,467
Speaker 34: been away from home and seeing the unity and the

2740
02:15:45,587 --> 02:15:49,427
Speaker 34: unification of our people back home, all people of Altor

2741
02:15:50,587 --> 02:15:54,787
Speaker 34: and paying homage to to us as people and showing

2742
02:15:54,907 --> 02:15:59,107
Speaker 34: unification together as one and like we countries go through

2743
02:15:59,147 --> 02:16:01,307
Speaker 34: tough times, people go through tough times, families go through

2744
02:16:01,347 --> 02:16:04,587
Speaker 34: tough times, and for us to pay homage to the

2745
02:16:04,707 --> 02:16:08,467
Speaker 34: unification of all of us is something that we.

2746
02:16:08,547 --> 02:16:10,907
Speaker 10: Wanted to do and that we wanted to do which

2747
02:16:11,027 --> 02:16:11,507
Speaker 10: was important.

2748
02:16:11,747 --> 02:16:13,227
Speaker 30: And did you talk about the treaty as well?

2749
02:16:13,307 --> 02:16:20,307
Speaker 34: And yeah so and tot mini minimal to hockey, tod

2750
02:16:20,427 --> 02:16:24,907
Speaker 34: to a white tonguey, which is like stand and pay

2751
02:16:24,947 --> 02:16:29,147
Speaker 34: respect to our funera which is our fenera minimal to hockey,

2752
02:16:29,187 --> 02:16:33,107
Speaker 34: which is our sovereignty. We run sovereignty and then toy

2753
02:16:33,427 --> 02:16:38,107
Speaker 34: to a white tonguey stand tall, stand proud, and stand

2754
02:16:38,187 --> 02:16:39,907
Speaker 34: on t D two white tongey.

2755
02:16:40,027 --> 02:16:42,067
Speaker 10: So uniting us all as people.

2756
02:16:42,987 --> 02:16:45,947
Speaker 34: I know some people might see or try and make

2757
02:16:45,987 --> 02:16:50,827
Speaker 34: it political or divisive, but for us, unity and being together.

2758
02:16:52,587 --> 02:16:54,547
Speaker 10: Is important, especially as maldi.

2759
02:16:55,267 --> 02:16:57,387
Speaker 12: What does that mean for you then to lead the

2760
02:16:57,467 --> 02:16:58,267
Speaker 12: hakker like that?

2761
02:16:59,147 --> 02:17:01,107
Speaker 23: Have those words on your last game?

2762
02:17:01,907 --> 02:17:03,427
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean a lot, I mean a lot. I

2763
02:17:03,547 --> 02:17:07,787
Speaker 10: know for me, Hakker Hoker is important.

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02:17:07,827 --> 02:17:09,907
Speaker 34: For me, Hucker is something I grew up with and

2765
02:17:10,027 --> 02:17:13,507
Speaker 34: Huker is something that is gifted from Maudi to.

2766
02:17:15,467 --> 02:17:17,227
Speaker 10: To a lot of New Zealand, and we use.

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02:17:17,147 --> 02:17:19,427
Speaker 34: Hakker and a lot of different realms and a lot

2768
02:17:19,467 --> 02:17:22,507
Speaker 34: of different places, but ultimately Hocker is Maldi and for

2769
02:17:22,627 --> 02:17:25,307
Speaker 34: us to be able to to use Hakker in that way,

2770
02:17:27,187 --> 02:17:29,867
Speaker 34: and again I will refer to it that people will

2771
02:17:29,907 --> 02:17:32,707
Speaker 34: try to say that it was divisive, but for us

2772
02:17:32,947 --> 02:17:35,827
Speaker 34: and for the the way that we use Hacker tonight

2773
02:17:36,067 --> 02:17:38,227
Speaker 34: was to unify us.

2774
02:17:38,427 --> 02:17:40,747
Speaker 2: Did you talk to others about what you were going

2775
02:17:40,787 --> 02:17:41,067
Speaker 2: to say?

2776
02:17:41,147 --> 02:17:42,267
Speaker 10: What you want to do before you did it. I

2777
02:17:42,347 --> 02:17:45,307
Speaker 10: definitely did yes, talking then of your game.

2778
02:17:45,547 --> 02:17:49,387
Speaker 9: Sorry, Greg, How have you reflected on your career?

2779
02:17:49,627 --> 02:17:50,507
Speaker 6: You feeling emotional?

2780
02:17:50,547 --> 02:17:54,427
Speaker 10: How are you feeling to that I'm all good, Yeah,

2781
02:17:54,467 --> 02:17:54,947
Speaker 10: I'm all good.

2782
02:17:55,147 --> 02:17:58,827
Speaker 34: Like my I want to be the best player in

2783
02:17:58,867 --> 02:18:00,587
Speaker 34: the world is what I want to be every every

2784
02:18:00,627 --> 02:18:01,787
Speaker 34: time I walk out there. I want to be the

2785
02:18:01,787 --> 02:18:04,707
Speaker 34: best player in the world and the team I want

2786
02:18:04,707 --> 02:18:05,987
Speaker 34: to be the best player in the world for now,

2787
02:18:06,627 --> 02:18:08,947
Speaker 34: and that is my family, like my wife and my kids.

2788
02:18:08,987 --> 02:18:10,667
Speaker 34: They mean, the best husband and being the best paper

2789
02:18:12,347 --> 02:18:15,427
Speaker 34: is the most important thing to me. I'll be going

2790
02:18:15,467 --> 02:18:17,107
Speaker 34: to the Black Cram said, where I will try to

2791
02:18:17,107 --> 02:18:19,027
Speaker 34: be the best drugging player I can be and want

2792
02:18:19,067 --> 02:18:20,627
Speaker 34: to be the best drugging player and wealth within.

2793
02:18:21,067 --> 02:18:22,067
Speaker 10: But the ability to be.

2794
02:18:22,947 --> 02:18:25,147
Speaker 34: More present with my wife, more present with my kids

2795
02:18:25,987 --> 02:18:28,907
Speaker 34: allows me to have more impact where.

2796
02:18:30,267 --> 02:18:34,427
Speaker 10: My most important things in my life are Tinder.

2797
02:18:34,547 --> 02:18:37,347
Speaker 35: Being over here and looking back into New Zealand. What's

2798
02:18:37,387 --> 02:18:39,747
Speaker 35: been happening over the last period of time three or

2799
02:18:39,787 --> 02:18:41,787
Speaker 35: four weeks while you've been here. Has it hurt you

2800
02:18:41,827 --> 02:18:44,467
Speaker 35: a little bit to see the way the country is

2801
02:18:44,547 --> 02:18:48,507
Speaker 35: at the moment that the division that they upset the tension, but.

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02:18:48,787 --> 02:18:51,507
Speaker 34: Like, honestly, I see I take a lot of pride

2803
02:18:51,587 --> 02:18:55,547
Speaker 34: from what's come. Like obviously there's some things that have

2804
02:18:55,627 --> 02:18:58,027
Speaker 34: happened that have caused some forms of division, But if

2805
02:18:58,027 --> 02:19:00,947
Speaker 34: you look at our equoy that happened, there might have

2806
02:19:00,947 --> 02:19:04,387
Speaker 34: been one hundred thousand people there and maybe mate plus

2807
02:19:05,507 --> 02:19:07,507
Speaker 34: and they're not all my That's why the start of

2808
02:19:07,547 --> 02:19:12,507
Speaker 34: the Hakker call then the uk more tour or alter

2809
02:19:12,987 --> 02:19:16,667
Speaker 34: means all of the people of Altor so we have Mildi,

2810
02:19:16,947 --> 02:19:23,067
Speaker 34: pi Asian and like where ever Pakia all coming together,

2811
02:19:23,627 --> 02:19:26,187
Speaker 34: which to me is such a beautiful thing. And the

2812
02:19:26,307 --> 02:19:29,467
Speaker 34: ability for us as a nation to be able to

2813
02:19:29,507 --> 02:19:32,947
Speaker 34: come together on something that could divide our nation is

2814
02:19:33,147 --> 02:19:35,067
Speaker 34: a beautiful thing and something I think our nation should

2815
02:19:35,067 --> 02:19:35,427
Speaker 34: be proud of.

2816
02:19:35,987 --> 02:19:36,187
Speaker 4: TJ.

2817
02:19:36,267 --> 02:19:38,867
Speaker 10: How important was it for you to leave the halfback

2818
02:19:38,947 --> 02:19:39,347
Speaker 10: judies there.

2819
02:19:39,307 --> 02:19:40,907
Speaker 3: With nine to twenty one whatever it might be, with

2820
02:19:41,307 --> 02:19:43,907
Speaker 3: Mama and handed over to the next generation of plays.

2821
02:19:44,427 --> 02:19:46,587
Speaker 34: Yeah, I would never say it was mine to hand over,

2822
02:19:47,067 --> 02:19:50,787
Speaker 34: to be honest, But I spoke to cam Roygard it

2823
02:19:50,827 --> 02:19:52,707
Speaker 34: would have been probably three or four years ago when

2824
02:19:52,747 --> 02:19:55,147
Speaker 34: we were at the hurricanes, and something that was really

2825
02:19:55,187 --> 02:19:58,547
Speaker 34: important to me was anything that I left. I needed

2826
02:19:58,627 --> 02:20:01,187
Speaker 34: to know that that nine Jersey was in the same

2827
02:20:01,267 --> 02:20:03,507
Speaker 34: spot or a better spot than if I left.

2828
02:20:03,947 --> 02:20:07,067
Speaker 10: And to have Courtiers and Cam in this team.

2829
02:20:08,347 --> 02:20:10,187
Speaker 34: I think we all know how good those two players are,

2830
02:20:10,667 --> 02:20:13,107
Speaker 34: and I'm really proud of the players that they are,

2831
02:20:13,267 --> 02:20:15,387
Speaker 34: and I'm really excited about their future.

2832
02:20:15,507 --> 02:20:17,467
Speaker 10: And to have Cam at the Hurricanes.

2833
02:20:18,747 --> 02:20:22,027
Speaker 34: Like he's a world class player and I don't think

2834
02:20:22,027 --> 02:20:23,027
Speaker 34: we've seen the best of him yet.

2835
02:20:23,067 --> 02:20:24,587
Speaker 10: We definitely have not seen the best of him yet.

2836
02:20:24,627 --> 02:20:26,947
Speaker 34: He's going to be someone that we talk about for

2837
02:20:27,027 --> 02:20:29,667
Speaker 34: a long time, someone that you guys talk about for

2838
02:20:29,747 --> 02:20:32,867
Speaker 34: a long time, and I'm really excited to see the

2839
02:20:32,947 --> 02:20:33,627
Speaker 34: growth in his game.

2840
02:20:33,867 --> 02:20:37,267
Speaker 2: That is TJ. Pettanada a short time ago, speaking with

2841
02:20:37,427 --> 02:20:41,787
Speaker 2: media postmatch and children. Look, I don't expect that TJ's

2842
02:20:41,827 --> 02:20:46,507
Speaker 2: words or actions will meet with universal approval. For whatever reason,

2843
02:20:46,747 --> 02:20:48,547
Speaker 2: he seems to be a bit of a lightning rod

2844
02:20:49,147 --> 02:20:51,627
Speaker 2: for polarization. I think a lot of people are just

2845
02:20:51,667 --> 02:20:55,547
Speaker 2: a bit threatened by his willingness to use his platform

2846
02:20:55,627 --> 02:20:57,747
Speaker 2: to put the spotlight on the issues which are most

2847
02:20:57,787 --> 02:21:01,067
Speaker 2: important to him. For what it's worth, I'll tell you

2848
02:21:01,147 --> 02:21:05,467
Speaker 2: what I think. I think it's impossible to quantify TJ

2849
02:21:05,587 --> 02:21:08,387
Speaker 2: petandalism on Wellington, the Hurricanes and the All Blacks. But

2850
02:21:08,547 --> 02:21:12,867
Speaker 2: his legacy is far greater than the games he's played

2851
02:21:12,867 --> 02:21:15,027
Speaker 2: in the trice he scored for those teams, his positive

2852
02:21:15,067 --> 02:21:18,427
Speaker 2: influence on the teams he's played for their fans and

2853
02:21:18,547 --> 02:21:24,227
Speaker 2: his community is unmatched. In my experience, he has always

2854
02:21:24,347 --> 02:21:27,827
Speaker 2: had fearless faith in his own views and the courage

2855
02:21:28,507 --> 02:21:30,587
Speaker 2: to walk his own path. I think he has been

2856
02:21:30,587 --> 02:21:33,947
Speaker 2: an absolute force for good in his life and will

2857
02:21:33,987 --> 02:21:36,907
Speaker 2: continue to be long after his rugby career is over.

2858
02:21:36,987 --> 02:21:40,227
Speaker 2: I think whatever TJ Petinada lends his voice and his

2859
02:21:40,427 --> 02:21:44,867
Speaker 2: energy too, will be a major beneficiary. He has been

2860
02:21:45,507 --> 02:21:48,267
Speaker 2: a fantastic All Black. I just wish he and his

2861
02:21:48,347 --> 02:21:51,147
Speaker 2: family nothing but the best in the next chapters of

2862
02:21:51,187 --> 02:21:54,187
Speaker 2: their lives. Ight away from three New Stalks, he be.

2863
02:21:55,827 --> 02:21:58,427
Speaker 1: The scoon from the track fields and the court on

2864
02:21:58,627 --> 02:22:02,307
Speaker 1: your home of thought the weekends for it with Jason Vane.

2865
02:22:02,227 --> 02:22:05,187
Speaker 2: Youth TALKSB five to three. Just remains for us to

2866
02:22:05,227 --> 02:22:08,827
Speaker 2: get out our final win and guess the grunter Maria Sharapover,

2867
02:22:08,947 --> 02:22:12,707
Speaker 2: of course, was our grunter. Well done to Todd Langwell,

2868
02:22:13,067 --> 02:22:15,747
Speaker 2: what on Todd You're off to the evening session at

2869
02:22:15,787 --> 02:22:18,707
Speaker 2: the ASP Classic on December the thirtieth. Couple of tickets

2870
02:22:18,707 --> 02:22:20,867
Speaker 2: for you to get along and enjoy that. Get to

2871
02:22:20,907 --> 02:22:22,587
Speaker 2: the ASP Classic. It is the only place to be

2872
02:22:22,667 --> 02:22:25,507
Speaker 2: if you're in Auckland over the holiday period. ASB Classic

2873
02:22:25,587 --> 02:22:28,987
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz is the website addressed to find

2874
02:22:28,987 --> 02:22:32,707
Speaker 2: out more that is us on Weekend Sport for today

2875
02:22:32,947 --> 02:22:35,307
Speaker 2: and for the weekend. A huge thanks to Mark Kelly

2876
02:22:35,387 --> 02:22:37,267
Speaker 2: for producing this show today. Good on you mate, We'll

2877
02:22:37,307 --> 02:22:39,067
Speaker 2: see you next time. Thank you for listening in and

2878
02:22:39,147 --> 02:22:41,867
Speaker 2: taking part. A lot of interaction on the show this afternoon,

2879
02:22:41,907 --> 02:22:44,587
Speaker 2: which we always love. Tim Beverage after three, I'm away

2880
02:22:44,627 --> 02:22:46,947
Speaker 2: next weekend, so Elliot Smith, I think's going to jet

2881
02:22:47,067 --> 02:22:49,787
Speaker 2: back in from the Northern Hemisphere and take the reins.

2882
02:22:50,027 --> 02:22:52,107
Speaker 2: I'll see you in a couple of weeks. Exit song today,

2883
02:22:52,147 --> 02:22:54,787
Speaker 2: Well we're saying goodbye to the All Blacks year and

2884
02:22:54,947 --> 02:23:00,267
Speaker 2: we're saying goodbye from Italy. So Italian tenor Andrea Biccelli

2885
02:23:01,107 --> 02:23:04,267
Speaker 2: taking us out today. Time to say goodbye. See in

2886
02:23:04,307 --> 02:23:04,947
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

2887
02:23:31,947 --> 02:23:35,147
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2888
02:23:35,267 --> 02:23:38,507
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2889
02:23:38,587 --> 02:23:40,147
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