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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show, Education Minister Erica Stanford on

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Speaker 2: the phonics results, the FUKA pan named Maori Award counselor

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Speaker 2: on that Maori Ward decision across the country, and we

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Speaker 2: will get to Israel ahead of the hostages released this evening.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicity Ellen, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Am very happy to tell you that we're starting the

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Speaker 2: show on good news. In fact, I'm going to rephrase

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Speaker 2: it and say great news, which is that the move

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Speaker 2: to the old phonics way of teaching kids to read

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Speaker 2: is actually working and the kids are learning to read.

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Speaker 2: The data that's being released right now is impressive. The

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Education Minister Erica Stanford are releasing

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Speaker 2: it at the post Cabinet press conference, So let me

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Speaker 2: run you through it. What this is is data from

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Speaker 2: schools that are already teaching structured literacy, which is basically

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Speaker 2: in a way, it's phonics. This is going to be

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Speaker 2: compulsory for all schools from next year. Some schools are

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Speaker 2: already teaching it. And what they do is they take

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Speaker 2: the new entrance kids, they teach them with the structured

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Speaker 2: literacy for six months, and then after six months they

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Speaker 2: test them to see how they're going. Term one this year, right,

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Speaker 2: So this captures kids who have learned a little bit

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Speaker 2: six percent to them could read at or above the expectations.

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Speaker 2: I do not like ethnic breakdowns because I hate reinforcing stereotypes.

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Speaker 2: But there are people who are worried about equity with

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Speaker 2: the role out of structured literacy. So let me rain

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Speaker 2: you through those number numbers. MILDI kids twenty five percent,

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Speaker 2: So nowhere in this are you seeing anything but impressive results.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to surprise any parent who has

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Speaker 2: ended up resorting to phonics because phonics works. It will

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Speaker 2: surprise no one who's read the literature and seen the

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Speaker 2: of schools like Douglas Park School in Marsterton, which used

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Speaker 2: I know that we give this government grief for not

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Speaker 2: that's fair, but this is one example where they actually

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Speaker 2: are and we will be grateful for this for generations.

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Speaker 2: And if we only have to take some reform from

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Speaker 2: this government, given how crucial education is to the future

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Speaker 2: of our children and our economy, I will take the

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Speaker 2: reform of reading every single day. Nineteen nineteer is the

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Speaker 2: text number. Standard text fees apply now to the methane targets.

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Speaker 2: The government's new methane targets released over the weekend haven't

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Speaker 2: been universally welcomed. Climate scientists and environmental groups have accused

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Speaker 2: the government of not being ambitious enough and aiming for

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Speaker 2: a low target target for political reasons. The government says

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Speaker 2: the fourteen to twenty four percent range actually has a

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Speaker 2: basis in science. Now, Nathaniel Mila Milia sorry, is the

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Speaker 2: director of Climate Prescience and a senior research fellow at

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Speaker 2: Victoria University and is with us. Now, Hey, Nathaniel, hello head,

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Speaker 2: how are you? I'm very well, thank you mate. Is

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Speaker 2: there a good scientist for grounding here?

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Speaker 6: Right? So there is good scientific grounding, But there is

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Speaker 6: likely to, please do thanky. So the science that got

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Speaker 6: they're internationally trusted and they're internationally leading scientists. The calculators

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Speaker 6: to it is twofold. It's what questions you ask and

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Speaker 6: So, the very fact that you can ask the question

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Speaker 6: So you know we've had cow herds for more than

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Speaker 6: saying and not be producing warming. You can't ask that

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Speaker 6: So every molecule of that does the warmings? Okay, So

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: So the government had a choice of which results they

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Speaker 2: Okay, so and so would you take issue then with

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Speaker 2: the fourteen to twenty four percent range and maybe just

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Speaker 6: I think I think I would that is what that

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Speaker 6: that we should be treating methane differently to carbon dioxides,

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Speaker 6: be treated differently because one it's it's fair to farmers,

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Speaker 6: it's fair to farming families. And two they're so different

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Speaker 6: But I think the government has shot itself in the

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Speaker 6: toosing that twenty four percent. It could have said, look,

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Speaker 2: Daniel, How realistic is it? Because if I'm listening to

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Speaker 6: Well, I would like to see the government chucking a

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Speaker 2: But it does, it does, and I love the idea,

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Speaker 6: The mean thing down immediately?

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Speaker 6: Well, these targets are twenty fifty targets, so you don't

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Speaker 2: Right now, Thaniel. OK but do you believe that even

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think so. I think the way sites are

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Speaker 6: We can spin up the economy with pouring money into innovation.

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Speaker 2: There also is the reast of the world on board

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Speaker 6: The mess of the world is not in the same

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel, it's fascinating to talk to you. Thanks for running

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Speaker 2: us through, Nathaniel. Melia Victoria University Senior research Fellow, Heather,

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Speaker 2: I've been following the phonics argument for thirty plus years.

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Speaker 2: We had to teach our three kids phonics and we

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Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared to allow illiteracy. Geez, Gavin, I'm pleased

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Speaker 2: It's not the kind of thing that you can announce

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Speaker 2: So you're clearly gonna have to pump a lot of

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Speaker 2: anybody who's been a parent, the mother who's done it

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Speaker 2: We know something won't work when someone says the answer

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Speaker 9: These guys had them two hundred and thirty. They could

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Speaker 2: Now, So Matt Pain won? Did I read somewhere? He

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Speaker 10: That's right, Yes, there was. The guy who crossed the

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Speaker 2: Oh excellent stuff. Now what did you think of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, piney, thank you very much. I really appreciate time.

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Speaker 2: That's Jason Pine's sports talk host Heather shut up. Next thing,

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Speaker 2: the teachers will be wanting more money, lols. They wanted

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Speaker 2: also going to ban extracurricular activity the following week October

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicyllen drive

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Speaker 2: That'd be Molly Peterson is with us out of Australia

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Speaker 2: shortly right now. It's full twenty five now. As I

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Speaker 11: My message to teachers is that they have done an

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Speaker 2: Jeez, she's good. That's why she's Prime ministerial material in

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Speaker 2: loving the strikes though.

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Speaker 11: We want to be at the table and we want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll talk to her after five o'clock. Listen,

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Speaker 12: News is coming up, cutting through the noise to get

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplously Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 13: Cherry.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be with us in ten minutes

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Speaker 2: time now, Marty Woods, that was obviously one of the

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So we're expecting the remaining hostages to be released by

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Speaker 2: Hummas in the next few hours. US President Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: a peace deal between Israel and Hummas. Here's a retired

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Speaker 3: A very emotional day here in Israel, and I think

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Speaker 2: Over and Assie, there's been a major backdown from the

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Speaker 14: The change in the calculation from unrealized to realize gains

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Speaker 2: And finally, police in Ohio have successfully apprehended a giant

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Speaker 2: runaway inflatable pumpkin. The pumpkin was part of a big

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business Olli.

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Speaker 2: Peterson six pr per Life Presenters with us Alloi Heather Good.

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Speaker 15: Afternoon from the wrestling capital of the World.

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Speaker 2: Perth, Wa, what's happened?

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Speaker 15: We had John Cena on the weekend. He's fifth last

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Speaker 15: match of all time. And guess who I sat behind?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 12: Sonny Bill Williams?

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Speaker 2: Oh did you?

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Speaker 15: Indeed had a good chat to Sonny Bill Williams. And

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Speaker 15: the Prince of Malaysia was here too.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's flash. So were you guys in the same

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Speaker 4: Well we weren't.

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Speaker 15: Actually were in row one and Row two, so are

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Speaker 15: ringside seats Sonny Bill? And I thought he might take

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Speaker 15: down Roman had like a little band about the Bledderslow Cup.

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Speaker 15: I asked him actually rugby union or rugby league and

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Speaker 15: unions of World Games and told.

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Speaker 4: Me did you?

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Speaker 9: Did you?

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Speaker 2: Then ask him if he's signing up to R three

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Speaker 2: sixty or if he's had had it?

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Speaker 15: I think he might even be a little smokey, had

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Speaker 15: a little wrestling career.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, do you know what I'll tell you without

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Speaker 2: a word of a lie. I didn't realize you were

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Speaker 2: a big enough deal to be invited to Row one

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Speaker 15: It's a small player. It's a really tidy place. It's

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Speaker 15: a little bit bigger than New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: But still tidy. You're a good sort, Ali, Hey, listen.

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Speaker 2: So Labour's trying to pretend it's not making it and

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Speaker 2: he said there's just a bunch of changes, but it's

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Speaker 2: not just a bunch of changes.

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Speaker 15: And Jim Chalmers has been rolled on this that the

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Speaker 15: Prime Minister has told him to back down on what

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Speaker 15: he's big changes were.

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Speaker 2: To suit he can sort of, you know, walk and che.

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Speaker 15: Gun at the same time and all of a sudden

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Speaker 12: This is a win for common sense.

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Speaker 15: Jim, you plan to go a lot harder, a lot further,

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Speaker 15: and to be blunt, if you had the political will

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Speaker 15: or backbone to do it, you would. Because Labor is

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Speaker 15: in such a commanding position in Australia at the moment, Header,

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Speaker 15: or three terms.

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Speaker 2: So if you wanted real reform, you could have.

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Speaker 15: Gone a lot harder than you have here. So how

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Speaker 15: it will work, what's changed is it means he's dumped

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Speaker 15: a three million dollar threshold. But what it will do

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Speaker 15: instead is have a two tiered structure only apply to

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Speaker 15: realize gains, so dividends or interest for example, not the

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Speaker 15: paper increases the asset values. And in the end they're saying, lo,

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Speaker 15: this is a win, particularly for working Australians, and it's

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Speaker 15: a win for everybody.

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Speaker 9: There's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 15: So of course all the superannuation accounts that come out

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Speaker 15: Eybone say it's great, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 9: So as bad as it's going to be, but he

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Speaker 9: still make it changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what's going on with Quantus.

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Speaker 15: Well, Quantus has now had all of it's six million

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Speaker 15: customers data released on that dark where they're going to

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Speaker 15: be facing some scrutiny and that the Minister responsible, Tony

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Speaker 15: Burkhome Affairs and Cybersecurity Minister, says they will be held

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Speaker 15: accountable for this. Now, Contus isn't alone. You've got forty

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Speaker 15: odd worldwide companies. We're talking about Disney Ikea where this

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Speaker 15: hacker group scattered lapses dollars, hunters stole more than a

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Speaker 15: billion records of that customer data. They put it online.

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Speaker 15: Quantus didn't pay the ransom. They're obviously trying to navigate this.

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Speaker 15: But anybody who's had their data stolen, Look, we probably

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Speaker 15: all unfortunately had our data stylen with lots of different

463
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Speaker 15: hacking circumstances. Now he just had to be extraordinarily vigilant,

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Speaker 15: whether it's Quantus on the other end or somebody else

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Speaker 15: who's just trying to pinch him money or pretend that

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Speaker 15: they're obviously the airline. I'm a member of Cottice, and

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Speaker 15: I have noticed a lot more activity, to be honest,

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Speaker 15: but I get lots of scam calls and text messages anyway,

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Speaker 15: regardless because you're.

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Speaker 2: A big deal. Hey have you got your kids any

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Speaker 2: of those Bluey Christmas coins?

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Speaker 15: I tried to like, this is how nuts Bluey is, right.

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Speaker 15: I missed out on the first round of the coins

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Speaker 15: by going to the post office.

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Speaker 2: They weren't there.

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Speaker 3: Now they want to ballot that.

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Speaker 15: They want to ballot for these Bluey Christmas coins, So

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Speaker 15: of course I've gone in there for this Christmas. Tried

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Speaker 15: to ballot for two coins. It's a one dollar coin

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Speaker 15: and I'm going to pay twenty bucks for a Christmas

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Speaker 15: coin if I get it, am I nuts?

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Speaker 2: Yep? What are you supposed to do with the coin?

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Speaker 2: He's supposed to keep it forever?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, just look at it.

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Speaker 2: Do the kids even know these things exist?

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Speaker 15: Not yet, but that's right unless they're listening to you

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Speaker 15: and I talk right now, this is this is going

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Speaker 15: to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you, but if

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Speaker 2: I got a coin for a Christmas present, they would suck.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know what, the tooth fairy might be looking

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Speaker 15: at these coins too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: I might have a word of the tooth fairy right

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Speaker 15: at that age with teeth FOILU.

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Speaker 2: Justfy a queen with the queen's or the king's face

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Speaker 2: on it is probably the same and it's gonna cost

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Speaker 2: you less. Good luck, Oli, it's good to talk to you, mate.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon. Oliver Peterson six PR Perth

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Speaker 2: Live presenter. It's eighteen away from five.

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Speaker 3: Ether two c Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Such a good time made though if they weren't so

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Speaker 2: like they're just such do goody parents, so just make

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Speaker 2: you feel stink about yourself the whole time. But otherwise

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Speaker 2: it's a good time. Hey, so Tory didn't make it

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Speaker 2: in that's hilarious. I mean this sounds a bit mean

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Speaker 2: for me, and I don't mean to be unkind, but

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Speaker 2: old mate thought she was the She's nizzled, didn't she

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Speaker 2: and she was all big deal and looks didn't win

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Speaker 2: the Mayoralty, didn't even win the mald Award, and she

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Speaker 2: definitely opted for that because she thought it was going

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Speaker 2: to be easier anyway. So Tory didn't make it back

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Speaker 2: in Jamie Lee Ross remember him try to run in Howick?

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Speaker 2: He didn't make it back in Mark in it All,

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Speaker 2: Mark krys All from TV and Z Random White to Matar,

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Speaker 2: he didn't make it in Anne Bartley Burton, who is

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Speaker 2: the Champagne cat lady from the Real Wives. You know

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Speaker 2: who I'm talking about. She didn't make it in anyway.

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm telling you this is because of two

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Speaker 2: own out name recognition. Isn't the be all and end

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Speaker 2: all like we all thought it was anyway, So that happened.

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Speaker 2: But also the police had to be called to the

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Speaker 2: voting booth and on he hung us. So what happened?

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Speaker 2: So you know, the cutoff was at noon, which is

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Speaker 2: a weird time to have a cutoff, right, but if

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Speaker 2: you're standing in queue already at noon, you do get

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Speaker 2: to vote. But one of the local board members didn't

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Speaker 2: realize this, Debbie. Debbie didn't realize this, and she arrived

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Speaker 2: in the minutes after midday. She went into the library

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Speaker 2: and she told the staff to stop taking the votes

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Speaker 2: because it was past midday and these people weren't allowed

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Speaker 2: to vote. And the staff said no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: they are allowed to vote. These are the rules. She assisted,

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Speaker 2: She said, no, this is not the case anyway. So

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Speaker 2: what then started doing is taking photographs of people, and

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Speaker 2: that's when things escalated. Then she started name dropping the

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Speaker 2: returning officer. Apparently staff told her to leave. She waited

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Speaker 2: outside the library for some time. She doesn't deny this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, She's admitted that she took a photo

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Speaker 2: from the back of the library. She says that she's

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Speaker 2: never seen this voting happening after midday before she reckoned.

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Speaker 2: She was in fact the victim of a lot of

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Speaker 2: abuse and the pl have to be called to it.

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Speaker 2: So who knew. I mean, most people didn't vote, but

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Speaker 2: Debbie and the people in that que they were really

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Speaker 2: into it. Very Soper's next.

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Speaker 1: For politics with centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Listen, there seems to be a bit of a crackdowns

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Speaker 2: just across government agencies going harder on collecting money and stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to run you through some of that

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Speaker 2: details shortly fourteen away from five Barri Soaper Senior Political

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Speaker 2: Correspondences with us Alo Barry Afternoon.

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Speaker 16: Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it looks like the old structured literacy is

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Speaker 2: doing what we thought it would, which is teaching me.

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Speaker 16: Like you said, you're editorial. It is much better than

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Speaker 16: what was anticipated in such a short time because it

560
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Speaker 16: hasn't been going that long. It's amazing that phonics has

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Speaker 16: been phased out from the seventies, eighties and the nineties,

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Speaker 16: and then we had this new structure that clearly wasn't working.

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Speaker 16: When you see how behind kids were getting so early figures. Well,

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Speaker 16: I'll basically say it all and reinforce why the Prime

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Speaker 16: Minister says change had to happen, and you can't argue

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Speaker 16: with that.

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Speaker 17: The truth is that over the past couple of decades

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Speaker 17: we simply haven't done well enough. Student achievement has been

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Speaker 17: on a steady decline and new Zealand's results have fallen

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Speaker 17: compared to other countries we like to measure ourselves against.

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Speaker 17: Data from last year showed that just fifty six percent

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Speaker 17: of our year eight students were at the expected level

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Speaker 17: for reading and only thirty five percent for writing. And

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Speaker 17: that's a really sobering reality. So teaching the basics brilliantly

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Speaker 17: and turning those results around is one of our government's

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Speaker 17: biggest priorities. In fact, it's one of the most important

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Speaker 17: things that we can do to set New Zealand up

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Speaker 17: for long term success.

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Speaker 16: It is true, isn't it. You've got to instill the

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Speaker 16: confidence at a very early age and then they go

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Speaker 16: on to better things.

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Speaker 12: That's all, yeah, what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But remember these are also just fundamental skills we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: like how can you even survive in this economy or

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Speaker 2: in this world if you cannot read properly.

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Speaker 16: Exactly or yeah, that's right, read or write it.

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Speaker 2: It's just remarkable. Yet, now, what did you make of

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Speaker 2: the local body elections.

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Speaker 16: Well, I've just seen figures that have come out from

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Speaker 16: local government New Zealand. Now they probably have done what

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Speaker 16: I've been counting all the time. And I think we

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Speaker 16: initially said it was thirty two percent, was thirty eight percent,

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Speaker 16: which represents though if you ever listened from it, one

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Speaker 16: point three million votes or almost one point three one

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Speaker 16: four received from thirty three point four or five million votes.

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Speaker 16: So the turnout was really so small when it compares

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Speaker 16: to the number of people that were getting out. And

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Speaker 16: I think I've got to say that I was listening

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Speaker 16: to the Prime Minister this morning talking about it, and

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Speaker 16: I think he hit the nart on the head that

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Speaker 16: when you go to vote in these elections you have

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Speaker 16: to read the bio biographies of the candidates because when

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Speaker 16: I voted here in Auckland, I didn't know half them,

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Speaker 16: so I had to go through them and read them.

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Speaker 16: But then that's their own opinion of themselves if you like,

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Speaker 16: and you've got to then introduce your own opinion, and

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Speaker 16: if there's got to be a better way of local

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Speaker 16: body elections, and he's is he's in favor of looking

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Speaker 16: at doing otherwise like electronic, like the internet, like using email,

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Speaker 16: and that.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't But that doesn't solve the problem, does it, because.

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Speaker 16: We don't have any polling boots at the moment.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't solve the problem because whether you vote

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Speaker 2: by post, or whether you vote in person or whether

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Speaker 2: you vote via the Internet, you're still having to vote

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Speaker 2: for a bunch of numpties you've never.

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Speaker 13: Heard, don't.

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Speaker 16: I agree with you? That is the problem that you know,

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Speaker 16: there are so many people and so many wards, and

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Speaker 16: when I was voting, I thought, well, I don't know

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Speaker 16: half these. Yeah, And I guess the problem is that

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Speaker 16: we don't follow local body government enough as people. We

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Speaker 16: don't look at our counselors, who arguably are probably more

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Speaker 16: important to us in many ways. Politicians are well because

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Speaker 16: you pay your rates.

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Speaker 2: And because there are like a thousand of them across

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Speaker 2: the country, right, so many of them, and there's just

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Speaker 2: no media resource to be able to cover that much politics,

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Speaker 2: or frankly, do I have the personal bandwidth to deal

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Speaker 2: with that much. I just I think we're kind of

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Speaker 2: it's just too much, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: Well, See, I like there's some I agree with you

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Speaker 16: there totally.

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Speaker 2: And also if you've got a whole bunch of seats

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Speaker 2: that are uncontested, we just clearly.

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Speaker 16: Have too much true democracy. No really, but I like

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Speaker 16: the Western Westland District Council mayoralty. It's come down to

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Speaker 16: four votes. One of them is an eighty two year

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Speaker 16: old transgender woman by the name of Jackie Grant. Now

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Speaker 16: she's the most amazing person. I wouldn't had a look

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Speaker 16: at her. She's at the moment ahead of the incumbent

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Speaker 16: Helen Lash. Grant has been living as a transgender woman

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Speaker 16: since nineteen seventy one. She came to New Zealand from

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Speaker 16: Australia basically because she wanted to feel safer and I

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Speaker 16: guess you can imagine what the Australians are like well

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Speaker 16: in those days of transgender woman, I think they wouldn't

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Speaker 16: be markedly different from what kiwis were. But she moved

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Speaker 16: to New Zealand and the early seventies and she basically

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Speaker 16: fostered many, many children, more than seventy five I read.

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Speaker 16: So she's a very interesting candidate and a what a

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Speaker 16: good woman at eighty two to be standing for politics.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Barry, Thanks very much, Barry So for senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Nine away from.

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Speaker 3: Five started your day, Entiteen. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Time was irresponsible in offering those sort of odds or

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Speaker 18: suggesting too, because here's what I know about Bathurst. As

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Speaker 18: I watched that race yesterday. There is no way in

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Speaker 18: God's earth that you can pick anybody to win that race.

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Speaker 18: Is form is irrelevant. The top ten shootout is completely

660
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Speaker 18: and utterly irrelevant. You look at Kostecki. He went round

661
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Speaker 18: there better than everybody. Reminded me of the twenty seventeen

662
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Speaker 18: lap that McLachlin did. Kostecki was there for all money,

663
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Speaker 18: and yet as car blew up and he ran it

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Speaker 18: into the wall and someone went up his back pipe,

665
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Speaker 18: and the whole thing was a disaster. The number of

666
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Speaker 18: things that happened in Bathos back tomorrow at six am

667
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Speaker 18: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News talk zib.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just on that transgender mayor that Barry

669
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Speaker 2: was telling us about not I don't know that he

670
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Speaker 2: mentioned this. If she gets, if she wins, is possible,

671
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Speaker 2: she made she wins. She's the country's oldest mayor at

672
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Speaker 2: eighty one, he says eighty two. But I think he's

673
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Speaker 2: just you know, he does that with women. He just

674
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Speaker 2: adds age. She's and what I like about her is

675
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Speaker 2: her I can see why she got elected. I like

676
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Speaker 2: her attitude. She said, being her age and transgender was

677
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Speaker 2: probably fairly unique. Most people my age are getting ready

678
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Speaker 2: for a ride on the Zimmer frame, she said. She

679
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Speaker 2: also said, I think people in Westland are more interested

680
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Speaker 2: in what's between my ears than what was between my

681
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Speaker 2: legs fifty five years ago. Also runs a sock shop,

682
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Speaker 2: So I mean that in and of itself was fascinating.

683
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Speaker 2: Who knew that there was enough business to support an

684
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Speaker 2: entire shop that sells socks? And she also, by the way,

685
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Speaker 2: as if that's not enough, co founder or founder of

686
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Speaker 2: the Sock World Museum in Hokitika, Nuff said, anyway.

687
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Speaker 19: I'm always losing socks here. I'm always having just the

688
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Speaker 19: one by themselves.

689
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Speaker 2: But then you just wear it with another one that

690
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Speaker 2: you have by yourself. I've seen what's going on.

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Speaker 19: Not everyone can do that, though. Some people have jobs

692
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Speaker 19: where people are they fancy.

693
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Speaker 2: And some people have standards. Welcome back, ads. ADS is back,

694
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Speaker 2: as has been Japan for a very long time, and

695
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Speaker 2: we have missed ants dearly and it.

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Speaker 19: There as well.

697
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just a delight to have us him

698
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: and all of us were weird sarcasm back. So anyway,

699
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Speaker 2: you'll welcome back, and it's just going to brighten your day.

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Speaker 2: As you hear from him. Now, the government I was

701
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: going to tell you about this. Government agencies appear to

702
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Speaker 2: be going harder on getting money back that they're owed,

703
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Speaker 2: and I'm on board with this now already you know

704
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Speaker 2: ID is going harder on the student loans of people

705
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Speaker 2: arriving and getting arrested at the border and stuff. And frankly,

706
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Speaker 2: if you've been taking the mickey that long, I'm okay

707
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Speaker 2: with you getting arrested at the border. Now they're going

708
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Speaker 2: harder on the tax they even some of those taxes

709
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Speaker 2: it hasn't been paid for five years. They've just taken

710
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Speaker 2: it straight out of the bank account, which I'm also

711
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Speaker 2: on board with them. We're going to talk to Tony

712
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Speaker 2: Morris about that. He's from IOD. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: with us on twin minutes time. And then you've got

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Speaker 2: the bailiffs who are chasing the overdue fines. They're the

715
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Speaker 2: ones are turning up at the police checkpoints with the

716
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Speaker 2: scanners and then the scanning the old number plates and

717
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: they're finding out what's going on here. Get a load

718
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Speaker 2: of these numbers. They scanned sixty eight thousand number plates

719
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Speaker 2: in just the space of a few months. Found nearly

720
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Speaker 2: one thousand people who owed court fines or reparations. Two

721
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty of them just paid right there on

722
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Speaker 2: the spot. They had the money, they just didn't want

723
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Speaker 2: to pay it, paid right there on the spot. One

724
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven of them established a payment arrangement,

725
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen had their cars seized, forty five

726
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 2: had their cars clamped. Sixteen of the cars have already

727
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Speaker 2: been sold off at auction so people could get their

728
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Speaker 2: money back. Another fifty two are going to go under

729
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Speaker 2: the hammer shortly, and thirty one people have paid to

730
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Speaker 2: avoid their car being sold. That's what happens with a

731
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Speaker 2: bit of tough love, and I'm into it, so as

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Speaker 2: I say, iid on the money part of it. Shortly,

733
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Speaker 2: Nikola willis on all of it, just the general going harder,

734
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Speaker 2: which I'm into. After six o'clock, as per usual, Newstalk's eb.

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Speaker 4: Final is at arning. Isn't it Something made bad in

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Speaker 4: the middle, learning.

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Speaker 1: Little, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

738
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Speaker 1: Heather Tuo, pericl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage

739
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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 3: New Stalks haid.

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Speaker 2: Be afternoon, looks like we have a turnaround and kids

742
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Speaker 2: being able to read. The government has just released data

743
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Speaker 2: on the impact that structured literacy is having on new entrants.

744
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Speaker 2: Back in term one, just thirty six percent of them

745
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Speaker 2: could read at or above expectations. That went up to

746
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Speaker 2: fifty one percent in term two, and in term three

747
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Speaker 2: it's hit fifty eight percent. Erica Stanford is the Education Minister.

748
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Speaker 2: High Erica Hike. Were you expecting the change to be

749
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Speaker 2: this immediate?

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Speaker 11: I was hoping that it would be. I've seen results

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Speaker 11: from schools who had gone out in advance and been

752
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Speaker 11: doing structured for a while, and they had phenomenal results.

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Speaker 11: But we were rolling this out at scale to tens

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Speaker 11: of thousands of teachers and thousands of classrooms across the

755
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Speaker 11: country and to see it drive up so quickly is

756
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Speaker 11: just phenomenal, and it's actually it's quite an emotional time

757
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Speaker 11: for every one in my office. I even made one

758
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Speaker 11: of my deputy secretaries cry.

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Speaker 20: When she saw the results.

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Speaker 11: It's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Just really invested in it.

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Speaker 11: Oh massively, of course we all are. We've been thinking

763
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Speaker 11: about this for so long. In opposition, I spent so

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Speaker 11: much time in classrooms and talking to teachers and learning

765
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Speaker 11: about this science of reading and the reading wars and

766
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Speaker 11: phonics and what it meant, and then developing policy and

767
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Speaker 11: then implementing it and resourcing it and backing our teachers.

768
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Speaker 11: And I said them there in the stand up today,

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Speaker 11: I didn't teach a single kid to read. That was

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Speaker 11: all of the teachers on the ground who have actually

771
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Speaker 11: put this into action, And I owe them a huge

772
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Speaker 11: debt of gratitude.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would imagine that these numbers will only get

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Speaker 2: better as we go on further. The thing is completely

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Speaker 2: compulsory from next year and teachers really start to understand

776
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Speaker 2: how this works. Would you expect that too, Well.

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Speaker 11: It's compulsory from this year, but we are still training

778
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Speaker 11: our teachers. We've done about eighty percent of our year

779
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Speaker 11: zero to eight teachers, so in most of our year

780
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Speaker 11: zero to three, So it is compulsory this year. But

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Speaker 11: you're absolutely right. As teachers become more confident and capable

782
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Speaker 11: with explicit teaching and the new curriculum and structured literacy,

783
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Speaker 11: the results will get better and better and better. And

784
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Speaker 11: we see that overseas ording their results.

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Speaker 2: Where are we aiming? Are we aiming at eighty percent?

786
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Speaker 2: Is that right?

787
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Speaker 3: Well?

788
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Speaker 11: I need eighty percent. I want eighty percent of kids

789
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Speaker 11: to be at curriculum by the time they go to

790
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Speaker 11: high school. But with our phonics check data, I've got

791
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Speaker 11: higher aspirations and I'd love us to get to about

792
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Speaker 11: ninety percent. I know the UK got to pre COVID.

793
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Speaker 11: I think they were sitting about eighty five percent. It

794
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Speaker 11: dipped during COVID, but they're heading back up again, so

795
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Speaker 11: there's no reason why we can't be up there as well.

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Speaker 2: While I've got you, how do you feel about the

797
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Speaker 2: secondary school teachers with the rolling strikes this week.

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Speaker 11: I think it's deeply unfair for students who are about

799
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Speaker 11: to sit the final exams that they have been getting

800
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Speaker 11: ready for you, and who need those teachers in their

801
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Speaker 11: classrooms for that last minute revision. This is disrupting not

802
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Speaker 11: only that last bit of time they've got with their teacher,

803
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Speaker 11: but also a lot of their mock exams that they'll

804
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Speaker 11: get their derived grades from. It's really disappointing that the

805
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Speaker 11: union never took the offer to their teachers before they

806
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Speaker 11: decided to go on this strike. That's what's so disappointing.

807
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Speaker 11: I know that teachers want the best for their kids.

808
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Speaker 11: I'm just not sure about the unions.

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Speaker 2: Erica, thank you very much, Erica Stanford. The Education Minister.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for see Allen.

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Speaker 2: Most of the country's Maori wards are set to be

812
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Speaker 2: scrapped after local referenda were held over the weekend. Seventeen

813
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Speaker 2: of them are going to remain in place. One of

814
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Speaker 2: the districts that voted to actually retain their Maori seat

815
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Speaker 2: was Pakatani District Council and Tony Boynton it's one of

816
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Speaker 2: the Maori ward councilors there. Hi, Tony.

817
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Speaker 21: Oh cure to Heather, mahit to you. Mahit to you

818
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Speaker 21: as a working mama as well as a toddler. So

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Speaker 21: thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tony, I appreciate that today actually very much. I'll

821
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Speaker 2: tell you why later on. Do you see this, by

822
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Speaker 2: the way, as a good result. Are seventeen of them

823
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Speaker 2: staying well?

824
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Speaker 21: I think first of all, we have to say that

825
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Speaker 21: having the referendums in the first place.

826
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Speaker 6: Isn't a good thing.

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Speaker 21: I mean, first off, the reason why it was removed

828
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Speaker 21: in twenty twenty one is because it was discriminatory against Marty.

829
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Speaker 21: But overall there were four hundred thousand votes nationally in

830
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Speaker 21: favor of Marty Wards compared to two hundred and sixty

831
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Speaker 21: thousand that we're against. So there is a big shift nationally. However,

832
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Speaker 21: we have to deal with the tyranny of the majority

833
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Speaker 21: when it's divided down into the district.

834
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the tyranny of the majority is just democracy,

835
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Speaker 2: isn't it? Will We all feel it from time to

836
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Speaker 2: time the minority.

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Speaker 20: One.

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Speaker 21: The thing is is that we know that that means

839
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Speaker 21: that the majority gets to decide what happens to the minority.

840
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's democracy.

841
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Speaker 21: Well, that's not a bad thing, and it's.

842
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Called losing the vote anyway, you.

843
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Speaker 21: Won the vote, Y, We have democracy and of the

844
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Speaker 21: councils themselves being able to decide that, and that was

845
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Speaker 21: quite emphatic. The councils themselves made that decision, and that

846
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 21: decision was taken off them. I mean, if they're elected

847
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Speaker 21: by their constituents, that's democracy, right, and they're elected to

848
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Speaker 21: be able to make those decisions, and that decision was

849
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Speaker 21: taken away from them.

850
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Speaker 2: Tony, is am I right in thinking that every six

851
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Speaker 2: years councils review which wards they've gotten, whether they need

852
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Speaker 2: to add or remove wards. Is that right?

853
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Speaker 21: Yes, that's correct, And so you have situations where you

854
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Speaker 21: have rural wards and you might have other urban wars

855
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Speaker 21: that might be established.

856
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Speaker 6: Now none of.

857
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Speaker 21: Those wards ever will face a referendum, only Mardi Wards.

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Speaker 21: And that's where you can say, oh, democracy plays a

859
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Speaker 21: part in having a referendum, but however, it's not fear

860
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Speaker 21: that no other ward gets to face that, only Marighty Wards.

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Speaker 2: But what I mean is in about six years it

862
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Speaker 2: is entirely possible that this could be reviewed and Marti

863
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: Wards could make a comeback in some of these council

864
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Speaker 2: these council bodies right.

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Speaker 21: Well, definitely, But I mean there's a whole process that

866
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Speaker 21: has happened within those districts and what we have seen

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Speaker 21: is that those who won their Maori ward's referendum were

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Speaker 21: quite emphatic in the amount of difference of numbers that

869
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Speaker 21: they won it by. But also those who those districts

870
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Speaker 21: who voted against the margins were quite small. And what

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Speaker 21: that means is that people from the ground, with very

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Speaker 21: little resource have done a lot of work to be

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Speaker 21: able to shift a whole community.

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Speaker 2: Tony, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Tony Boynt and fuck Dani Maori Ward Counselor thirteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Ever do for Cee Ellen her.

877
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Speaker 2: Best work yet great results with PHONICX. Congratulations Erica. I'll

878
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: tell you what I reckon. That's absolutely I would crack

879
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: out a brew, wouldn't you?

880
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 16: For that?

881
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: I think that's worth having a drink or two over.

882
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Trump is on his way to Israel. Looks like he

883
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: should be landing in about two hours two and a

884
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: quarter hours or there about a half y seven hour

885
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: time and is then going to address the Israeli parliaments

886
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: with just how the timings work for this evening, He's

887
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: landing seven thirty New Zealand time. He will then go

888
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: to the Knesset and then the hostages should all be

889
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 2: out by ten o'clock. Now Sky News is reporting hostage

890
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: released to start imminently. If that is the case, I mean,

891
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, I suppose these things can take a long time,

892
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: so you probably want to get started earlier so that

893
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: you're done by ten o'clock. So we will keep you

894
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: across all of that. And yeah, I'll explain to you

895
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: why being maheed for being a working mum means a

896
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: lot today. That's not me crying, by the way, that

897
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: sounded like a cry. That was a laugh fourteen past

898
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: five a cynical laugh. Nowadays, high quality, locally made products

899
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: that are kind to our wallets are a breath afresh

900
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: am I right. Take Carpet Mill as a prime example.

901
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: Carpet Mill, our New Zealand owned and operated, made in

902
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: the White Cuttle though, the only carpet retailers that are

903
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: consumer trusted. Now, what that means is if you buy

904
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: from a consumer trusted business, you're dealing directly with market

905
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: leaders who are focused on putting customers first. From sourcing

906
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: high quality materials to use state of the art technology,

907
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: they're all about providing top notch customer services throughout the

908
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: whole process and all the way through to installation. Their

909
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: wide range of luxurious carpets are designed to bring ultimate

910
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: comfort into your home. It's simply luxury that you live

911
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: on now. When you get your flooring done by Carpet Mill,

912
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: you know that you're getting it from one of New

913
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: Zealand's homegrown heroes. For a free measuring quote, visit your

914
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: local carpet Mill or check out Carpetmill dot co dot MZ.

915
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: Carpet Mill make every step feel.

916
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Like home, Heather do for see Allen Yeah the.

917
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I'm

918
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: a teacher and if I had my way, I'd be

919
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: there every day. I don't mind callback days either. The

920
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: union and some teachers have no idea what it means

921
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: to work normal hours. From anonymous five eighteen. Now, it

922
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: turns out Inland Revenue is going hard on collecting outstanding

923
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: tech attacks to the extent of taking money out of

924
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: bank accounts. Seventeen million bucks has been recovered from more

925
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: than eight thousand bank account deductions so far, and Tony

926
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Morris is Inland Revenue Customer segment leader. Hi Tony, Hi,

927
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Heather how av Yeah, thanks very much for joining us.

928
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: How many time do you try to get in touch

929
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: before you start making these withdraws.

930
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 8: In this particular case, we're going to have a couple

931
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 8: of goes. We'll have a first call, then leave a message,

932
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 8: and we might try one more contact and then we

933
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 8: can look to take the money straight out of the

934
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 8: bank accounts. But that's in this campaign we're doing. But

935
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 8: other times we might just contact people once or twice

936
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 8: and then take money out of their accounts.

937
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: And this is not like to be fair, this is

938
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: not your average debt like this is this is debt

939
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: that's been owed for six months to five years, isn't it?

940
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 4: Yep?

941
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 8: Yep it is. And you know, it's all sorts of

942
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 8: different sizes of the debt we get, but largely at

943
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 8: this time we're focusing on GST and PA WAY and

944
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 8: employer debt. But it's something that we use usquite often.

945
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 8: And with individual customers we often can take money out

946
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 8: of their wages, go to the employer, take money other wages.

947
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 8: But in this case, in the businesses, we tend to

948
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 8: go straight to the banks where we know there's money

949
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 8: in their bank accounts.

950
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: What's the largest amount you've taken out?

951
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 8: And one off, I couldn't tell you exactly what the

952
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 8: amount would be, but we can take quite sizable. So

953
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 8: depending on how much money they've got the got on

954
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 8: the deck, how do you strike.

955
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: To balance there, Tony, Because I mean, you obviously don't

956
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: want to clean out everything because it might it might

957
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: it might have you know, quite negative consequences. So how

958
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: much do you take out?

959
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: We will we.

960
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 8: Generally take one hundred percent of that love to take

961
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 8: out a hundred percent of the debt. Yeah, so in

962
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 8: some cases that might be pretty close to all the

963
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 8: money or more. But I mean again, we've tried to

964
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 8: contact the people fest and all we want them to

965
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 8: do that to get in contact us with us so

966
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 8: we can set up some installment arrangements. But yeah, we

967
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 8: do tend to look at the amount of tech. So

968
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Speaker 8: that can be whether it's a smaller amount, you know,

969
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 8: down the teen grand, or whether it's a bigger amount

970
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 8: where we will look to take what we can.

971
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Now, how did we get to the point where we

972
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: have debt that's that's five years old? Is this is

973
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: this specific? Like did we go extra softly during COVID

974
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: or is this kind of normal?

975
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, we did go We did go soft Durnk COVID

976
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 8: just to try and keep people going so the deck

977
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 8: can grow. But we've always had it where deck can

978
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 8: grow and go past five years. Sometimes it's just extended

979
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 8: times that people get in debt and we might set

980
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 8: up and storming arrangements and try to help them through

981
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 8: and then it all just falls over towards them. And

982
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 8: we've fun too that debt sort of gets past two

983
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 8: years old, it sort of becomes hard for people to pay,

984
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 8: you know, and it almost becomes that it just sort

985
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 8: of grows with interest in penalties and sometimes once we

986
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 8: get past that too, you know, we're really looking at

987
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 8: and solvent to your liquidations, which can take some time,

988
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 8: but it can't get up to five years or more.

989
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 8: But in this case the three can see people have

990
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 8: the money and their pinks. We'll still to go after

991
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 8: up to five years.

992
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: Interesting, Tony, thanks very much, appreciate it. Tony Morris, Inland

993
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: Revenue Customer Segment Leader. We'll talk about this a little

994
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: bit later with Nikola Willis when she's with us after

995
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: six o'clock. It's five to twenty one.

996
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion, Hey, the Dubis, the Eland drive

997
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand haand of power of satellite mobile

998
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: the new saw said the hither.

999
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm a primary school principal who is part of a

1000
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: separate union, not striking and choosing to stay at the

1001
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: negotiating table and good faith, and as a result, we

1002
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: have already been given a second offer to vote on.

1003
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: Here you go five twenty four. Listen. I am more

1004
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: and more convinced that we need to cut the number

1005
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: of councils we have across the country. I mean that

1006
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: voter turnout that we've seen at the weekend was abysmal.

1007
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: Last count I've seen is that nationally only thirty eight

1008
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: percent of US voted, worse in Auckland only around twenty

1009
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: nine percent, so not even one in three of us. Now,

1010
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: I think anyone who thinks that we can fix local

1011
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: government by ditching the postal voting system and going hard

1012
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: with the orange guy and his dog is dreaming. That

1013
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: is not the problem. The problem is not how you vote.

1014
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: The problem is who you vote for. I think we

1015
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: have a complete breakdown in the trust between the voter

1016
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: and the people that we are voting for and the

1017
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: authority in general. I mean, you've ootened your booklet right,

1018
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: surely you had a look at who you had to

1019
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: vote for. It's over populated by people you wouldn't trust

1020
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: to mind your pet, never mind run the council. You

1021
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: don't actually believe that these people are going to make

1022
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: smart decisions do you or do what they say they're

1023
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: going to do. You wouldn't even know if they do

1024
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: what they say they're going to do because there's hardly

1025
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: any media coverage nowadays and holding and holding people to account.

1026
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: I think it fundamentally comes down to us simply having

1027
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: too many local body politicians in New Zealand right, Auckland

1028
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: alone as one hundred and seventy of these people. That

1029
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: is more than Parliament has for the entire country. Now

1030
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: run that one seventy in Auckland across the entire country.

1031
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: It's like one thousand. We don't have enough media to

1032
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: cover everything grill than when they break promises. We don't

1033
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: have enough attention spans ourselves to absorb that much information

1034
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: on top of everything we're already absorbing with central government.

1035
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: And so what we do is we just tap out

1036
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: and we give up and only what forty percent of

1037
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: us vote. I reckon, what we need to do is

1038
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: we need to take our sixty seven territorial authorities and

1039
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: just cut it down. Some commentators reckon we need to

1040
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: go as low as thirteen. I don't mind. That's a

1041
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: good starting point, certainly a better starting point than sixty seven,

1042
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: which equals a what thirty eight percent turn.

1043
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: Out either duper see Ellen, May you.

1044
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: Know what, Oh gross, I've got to tell you what.

1045
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry have been spotted pashing on

1046
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: a yacht off the Santa Barbara Coast. Now I'm telling

1047
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: you this because I don't know that there are two

1048
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: more annoying people who've hooked up with each other. He

1049
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: was annoying by himself and she was annoying by themselves,

1050
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: and together they're like a doubling down super couple of annoying. Anyway,

1051
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: it's just broken because remember they went on the date.

1052
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: I know, for somebody who dislikes them this, who's irritated

1053
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: by them, I've invested a lot in this. I just

1054
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: wonder if they can irritate each other as much as

1055
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: they irritate me. Anyway, So yeah, because they went on

1056
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: the dates, and remember the photo was taken in the

1057
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: mirror and we were like, ah, I just I was like,

1058
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: that could just be nothing. But no, they've been passing

1059
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: each other up and he's got his hand on her butt.

1060
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: So the year go, it's a thing. Anyway, did you

1061
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: realize that basically all the restaurants nowadays are named after women?

1062
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: The spinoff has pointed this, so ount this morning and

1063
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: they put together of the entire list alma Ada, Annabelle's Estale's,

1064
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: Coco's Cantina, bar Magda, Barceleste, Glorias, Freda Megolis, and Grayln

1065
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: Daphney's Gigi Joline, Matita, Esther ed Are you convinced? Edie's Lilian, Lilias,

1066
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: Margo's Saint, Mark's mother, Mama Emma which is Hebrew for mum,

1067
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: sweet mother's kitchen and Wellington Rita, Auntie, Mena's Loretta, Floridita's,

1068
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Margo's Daisies, Mabel's Myrtle, Emma, lou Emmaloo's Rather, Monica's eatery Resina, Rosio,

1069
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: Grady's Bessie, Edith, Delilah, Francesca's Estelle, and Maggie's. It's true,

1070
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: isn't it. Everybody's naming their their their restaurants after women

1071
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: at the moment, So you go, I don't know, should

1072
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: we be proud of that? Maybe it's just a weird thing,

1073
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: isn't it. News is next, and then we're off to Jerusalem.

1074
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

1075
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

1076
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

1077
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: They'd be sorry that your.

1078
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: La Willis is standing by. She's with us after six

1079
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: o'clock and we also have a huddle with us very shortly.

1080
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: Tressherson and Richard Hill's of Auckland Council right now. It

1081
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: is twenty five away from Sex. Now it's one of

1082
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: the biggest days in Israeli history. It's about seven thirty

1083
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: in the morning there right now, this is in Israel.

1084
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: Crowds have already started gathering in the streets ahead of

1085
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: the hostage released deadline, which is twelve pm their time

1086
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: ten pm our time. First, Donald Trump is going to

1087
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: touch down in Jerusalem in the next I want to say,

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Speaker 2: a couple of hours where he will be greeted by

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Speaker 2: Benjaminett and Yahoo. Alexander Cornwell is at the Kinnesst ahead

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Speaker 2: of Trump's arrival and with us right now. How Alexander

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Speaker 2: you there?

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Speaker 16: Hi?

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Speaker 22: Yes, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Now when do we expect the hostages to start to

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Speaker 2: actually be released?

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Speaker 22: So the deadline is that they've released at twelve noon

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Speaker 22: local time, which is just over four hours from now. However,

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Speaker 22: Israeli media reporting that it could start happening in the

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Speaker 22: next twenty minutes, and Reuters is reporting that the Red

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Speaker 22: Cross convoys are on their way Gaza to positions to

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Speaker 22: collect at least some of those hostages that will be

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Speaker 22: released today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the involvement of the Red Cross Is this

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Speaker 2: an indication of what kind of a state these people

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Speaker 2: are in or are they simply the people who act

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Speaker 2: as the intermediary.

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Speaker 9: Throughout the war.

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Speaker 22: When there has been hostage releases, Vita Maas the Red

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Speaker 22: Cross has acted to collect them, So this does not

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Speaker 22: necessarily suggest anything about their condition. That's the role they're playing.

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Speaker 22: They are receiving the hostages in Gaza, and then they

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Speaker 22: will hand them over to the Israelian military who will

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Speaker 22: then take them to Israeli territory.

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Speaker 2: And then at what stage does Israel start releasing the

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Speaker 2: Palestinians prisoners.

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Speaker 22: So Israeli fishers have said that the Palestinian prisoners will

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Speaker 22: start being released once those living hostages arrive in Israeli territory.

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Speaker 22: So in the next few hours we should see twenty

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Speaker 22: living hostages released, mostly the Israeli hostages, excuse me, and

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Speaker 22: then we should start seeing soon afterwards the Palestinian prisoners

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Speaker 22: start to being released.

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Speaker 2: Have we got to the bottom of the niggle that's

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Speaker 2: been going on in the last day or so between

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Speaker 2: Hamas in Israel about who should be released?

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Speaker 22: No, no, there's been no clarity over that. It seems

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Speaker 22: that the list is set and it doesn't appear that

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Speaker 22: it's going to derail the agreement at all. So while

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Speaker 22: Hamas wanted other prisoners, some more prominent Palestinians, to be released,

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Speaker 22: it doesn't appear that this is going to break the ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what does Trump expected to say to the Parliament?

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Speaker 22: Trump will give an address in a few hours now

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Speaker 22: to the Knesset. It's not he hasn't made He's given

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Speaker 22: a few details about what exactly he will say. He

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Speaker 22: will talk about peace, he'll talk about and expected that

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Speaker 22: he will talk about an end to the war. And

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Speaker 22: he's also expected to meet with families of hostages who

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Speaker 22: have been released, and even hostages. Now it's not clear

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Speaker 22: if that would be hostages and families released in previous

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Speaker 22: instances in the wharf or those being released this morning.

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Speaker 2: And then he flies off to Egypt, does he.

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Speaker 22: That's correct, He'll be off to Shamel Shaikh, where he

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Speaker 22: is going to be taking part in an international summer

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Speaker 22: of world leaders. Is going to focus on the agreement

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Speaker 22: to ending the war in Gazas.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Alexander, Thanks for talking us through that. Alexander Cornwell,

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Speaker 2: Ruter's senior correspondent in Jerusalem, twenty two away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

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Speaker 1: one of the guy.

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Speaker 2: Just to be completely just so that you understand what

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Speaker 2: Alexander just told us. We're expecting the first of the

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Speaker 2: hostages to be released six o'clock our time, right, so

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Speaker 2: twenty two minutes from now, and will keep your breast

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Speaker 2: to that. With us on the huddle, we have Tris

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Speaker 2: Sharson of Sherston Willis PR and Richard Hill's Auckland councilor

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Speaker 2: Hello you guys. Hello Richard, did you win your seat again?

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Speaker 23: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I did?

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Speaker 24: Go on, do you skyte I got the top because

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Speaker 24: Desley didn't stand because she was elected unperposed. I got

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Speaker 24: the highest vote Telly in Auckland and it went up.

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Speaker 24: I knew you'd love that. Twenty one thousand as of today.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. You'll know, you'll know, you know immediately

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Speaker 2: if that is a significant Is that a big is

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Speaker 2: that a big margin? Big number?

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Speaker 24: Well it is more and last time and we had

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Speaker 24: a sadly very low turnout, So yeah, I'm pretty happy.

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Speaker 24: It's exhausted, but back in the office today, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Yeah, and have you got anybody new

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Speaker 2: around the council table? Who's freaking you out already?

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Speaker 24: Oh no, there's note not the mayor. Five newbies. The

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Speaker 24: Mayor's fine. No, we yeah, we've got five new councilors

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Speaker 24: and we're just gonna work together and make the city better.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: And who did you vote for, Richard?

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Speaker 24: I voted with you mean, for mayor, just for anybody,

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Speaker 24: for anyone?

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Speaker 4: Well, I voted for Well, I've.

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Speaker 2: Already been honest about it. I voted for Mark Kreisel

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Speaker 2: because I know him.

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Speaker 3: Who is that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll never mind. Doesn't say a lot, did it?

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Speaker 2: You did do your vote, didn't you?

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Speaker 25: I certainly did. I voted for Mark Kreisel as well,

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Speaker 25: and actually he was the highest polling independent for the

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Speaker 25: White Matter local Board, again because I know Mark, and

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Speaker 25: actually I really thought we need people stepping up to

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Speaker 25: go for this. So congrats Richard, and you know, anyone

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Speaker 25: who sits on council, well done to you, I think,

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Speaker 25: because it's important. But I think on the flip side,

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Speaker 25: this election signals there is a real problem with local government.

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Speaker 25: I think there's a couple of things. One is, you know,

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Speaker 25: when fewer than half bother to vote. You haven't got

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Speaker 25: a democracy, You've essentially got a raffle. It's just not

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Speaker 25: it's not good enough considering the amount that local government

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Speaker 25: rates are now increasingly taking out of rate payers pockets,

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Speaker 25: and considering the contribution of rate increases overall to our

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Speaker 25: inflation worries in New Zealand. And I agree with your

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Speaker 25: point Heather about a structural fix here. If you think

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Speaker 25: about New Zealand, we're a population of five million, We're

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Speaker 25: about the size of a big city in a lot

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Speaker 25: of countries who would have one municipal authority. Now I'm

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Speaker 25: not saying go that far, but I just don't think

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Speaker 25: any more we can afford the drag on productivity and

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Speaker 25: on ratepayers pockets of having so many layers of local council.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Richard, what's the actual problem and

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Speaker 2: how would you fix it?

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Speaker 24: It's a conversation that's going to be longer than the huddle.

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Speaker 24: But I think there's a few things that one I

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Speaker 24: know in Auckland, not having a strong meural contest put

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Speaker 24: a lot of people off, so they said, ah, who cares.

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Speaker 24: You can see in other areas where there was strong

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Speaker 24: meural contests, they had far higher turnout. Another thing is

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Speaker 24: the postal. We lost the vote ten to eleven, sadly

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Speaker 24: to make it booth voting as well. We thought that

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Speaker 24: might help a little bit because so many people say

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Speaker 24: to me, oh, where do we go. I'm happy to

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Speaker 24: do it, but we're kind of I'm handing out flyers

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Speaker 24: and people's leaderboxes, and there's chunks of envelopes sitting in

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Speaker 24: the rain on the ground.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 24: I think the post was antiquated. Most people don't even

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Speaker 24: know what post is, so I think that would have

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Speaker 24: helped a little bit if we'd had booth voting. But

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Speaker 24: I think also it's the candidates and people knowing them.

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00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 24: So yeah, I'll meet a lot of people on the

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Speaker 24: street of campaign, you know, anywhere I can, and people go, oh,

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Speaker 24: of because I've met you, of I hope for you,

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Speaker 24: which is a bit of a worry in itself, but

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Speaker 24: most people go it looks like a school test, you know,

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Speaker 24: those tests used to do at primary school.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think if you have in Auckland one hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy local body politicians, which is more than we

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Speaker 2: have in Parliament, we've got too many, right, there's just

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Speaker 2: Auckland now you think about the rest of the country.

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Speaker 2: I reckon what we should do, Richard, which is an

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Speaker 2: idea I'm going to I started pitching earlier. I reckon,

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Speaker 2: we cut the territorial authorities from sixty seven down to

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Speaker 2: thirteen somewhere between thirteen and twenty.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I think you do need you do need the representation,

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00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 24: but it clearly is not working. It's dire like it

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00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 24: does feel pretty depressing seeing those numbers. You can campaign

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Speaker 24: as hard as you want and then the turnout of solo,

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Speaker 24: but something structural has to change. Future for local government

1244
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Speaker 24: study a couple of years ago said a lot of

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Speaker 24: things that could happen, But I think that people don't understand.

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Speaker 24: The media don't cover local government like they used to

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Speaker 24: do in the local paper.

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Speaker 2: Und Yeah, it's just too much aime and.

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Speaker 24: There's not enough money in media.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely now, Trish, what do you think about that? Structured literacy.

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Speaker 25: Massive fans. You know, there's nothing like doing something that

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00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 25: actually works to get results. And you know, when I

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 25: came through school, obviously it was very old school structured.

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Speaker 25: Literally it works. My kids weren't and it was you know,

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Speaker 25: when I got them home and was trying to help

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Speaker 25: them with their reading. That was really challenging because I thought, well, actually,

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Speaker 25: how are you going to memorize all the words in

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Speaker 25: the English language to try and try and learn. I'll

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Speaker 25: tell you what I really liked out of today's press

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Speaker 25: conference where Erica Stanford was with the PM, and I

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Speaker 25: think this is a mark of Stanford as a minister,

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Speaker 25: probably what's missing in the government overall. She has real

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 25: clarity about what her purpose is and she said, look,

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Speaker 25: my north star is achievement and reducing inequality, and I

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Speaker 25: measure every decision I make as a minister. I think

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Speaker 25: you would struggle to find any other minister who could that.

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 25: Maybe Chris Bishop, he's pretty clear. But I think that's

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Speaker 25: why Stanford is getting results. And the other line she used,

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Speaker 25: which I thought was fantastic, she said, neither I nor

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00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 25: the Prime Minister have taught one child to read. That's

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Speaker 25: all down to the teachers and their hard work. And

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Speaker 25: I thought that is also a mark of her. So yeah,

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Speaker 25: I think these results are fantastic. And you know, you

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 25: can't begin to understand how challenging it is for a

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Speaker 25: kid to come through school and not be able to read.

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Speaker 25: It just has such a massive impact on their life,

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Speaker 25: self esteem, and what happens after they leave school.

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Speaker 2: Just hobbles them at the start. All right, I want

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Speaker 2: your take on it, Richard. We'll get it after the

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Speaker 2: breakouts quarter two. Right, you're back with a huddle, Richard,

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Speaker 2: Hill's and Tresias and Richard, what do you think?

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Speaker 16: I mean?

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Speaker 2: I looked at this, this structured literacy thing gave me hope.

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Speaker 8: What about you?

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Speaker 24: The figures are tracking well, It's hard probably to actually

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00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 24: show the difference between year on year or other factors,

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Speaker 24: but I think clearly that if it's working, it's important

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Speaker 24: that kids are getting the better education and learning out

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Speaker 24: to freadom write. But what I do worry about is

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Speaker 24: just making sure that the curriculum or the structure is

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Speaker 24: flexible enough for those kids who don't or can't learn

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Speaker 24: that way. So, yeah, kids were dyslexic.

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Speaker 9: Who a dyslexic?

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Speaker 2: Good, that's a fair point.

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Speaker 24: So you're just got to make sure that you don't

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Speaker 24: just put a blanket.

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Speaker 2: You go and this is your kind of starting point,

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Speaker 2: and in anybody who needs a little bit of something

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Speaker 2: difference kind of you know, you take them off. But

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Speaker 2: I think we had it the wrong way around beforehand.

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Speaker 2: But it sounds good, Trish, I said earlier on the show,

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Speaker 2: you love the new Mum's and maternity stay as much

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Speaker 2: as I do. You even text me over the weekend

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 25: I did, and I'll tell you why. Because when I

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 25: had my daughter, she was my second baby, we went

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Speaker 25: orkand hospital. I may not maybe I didn't listen during

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Speaker 25: the whole lead up to it, but an hour after

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Speaker 25: I had her, the midwife said, what do you want

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Speaker 25: to do now? And I thought, what do you mean

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Speaker 25: what I'm going to have as a choice between having

1312
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Speaker 25: some breakfast and having a sleep. And she said, no,

1313
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 25: you have either got to go to birth care in

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Speaker 25: the next hour or you have to go home anyway.

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Speaker 25: My husband and I am Dinard and I said, oh, look,

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Speaker 25: I'll just go home. He said, I've got some I've

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Speaker 25: got some work to do, so maybe you should go

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Speaker 25: to birth care just for the night with a baby.

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Speaker 25: So that's fine. So you have to get the baby

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Speaker 25: in the pod, drive across to birth care. We're getting

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Speaker 25: in the room there. I was just nodding off to sleep.

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Speaker 25: I looked at the baby and I said, that baby

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Speaker 25: is turning blue. Suddenly the baby was whipped out. Everybody

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Speaker 25: was running and had I gone home with her, I

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01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 25: would have been there on my own and she probably

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Speaker 25: would have would have died. So I think she had

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Speaker 25: a little bit of stuff that wasn't suck suctioned out

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Speaker 25: and she was trusting. Yeah, So so for me, I

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01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 25: just think, you know, that is a really it's a

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Speaker 25: frightening experience. And I think having had two kids like

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Speaker 25: it is a big deal for a woman. It's big

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Speaker 25: physically you've got to have time with your new baby

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 25: just to get a handle on things, and picking woman

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Speaker 25: out straight away. I think it's sound safe, and I

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 25: think it's unfair on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Where do you stand on

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Speaker 2: this as a dad, Richard.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean it sounds perfect. It sounds absolutely good

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Speaker 24: if woman parents want to have that time. I mean

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Speaker 24: obviously personal choice if you want to leave straight away

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Speaker 24: all after one night short, but I think to have

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Speaker 24: that access to professionals when you're extremely tired, you are

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Speaker 24: potentially a new parent and don't know what the heck

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Speaker 24: you're doing, I think it's really important. But I think

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01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 24: the whole thing relies on the resources. So I've got

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 24: family who are midwives and they don't have the beds.

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Speaker 2: Go on, tell the story right now, Richard. Oh, tell

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: the story right now.

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 24: That's not appropriate for me to know.

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Speaker 2: You tell it. I'm giving you permission.

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Speaker 24: Okay. Well, my mother in law was a midwife.

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Speaker 2: I had the dou for c Ellen, right, so here

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: I am trish imagine this. I go in and I'm lying,

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: leagues are timbo, you know, getting ready to have a baby.

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Speaker 2: She goes, oh, you might know, Richard. I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh lord, I was like, what goes onto? Her stays

1357
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Speaker 2: on tour?

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Speaker 25: And she was like, New Zealand is a very very

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Speaker 25: small place.

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Speaker 9: But this is how I get elected.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 25: I think it's a bit it's a bit of an

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Speaker 25: indictment that we've let the service get to this point

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Speaker 25: where we don't have the resource to look after women properly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Hey her name is Julia, Yes, now Julie.

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Speaker 2: I have to say it was so discreet, which I

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Speaker 2: think is midwives amazing. She was so discreet that I

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01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: knew and she knew, but you didn't know until I

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01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: told you. She didn't get you on the phone and go.

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Speaker 24: She didn't tell me.

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Speaker 2: She wasn't like I just did.

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Speaker 24: But yeah, midwife's diod an amazing, amazing job, but they

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01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 24: are understaffed and there is not a lot of resources.

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Speaker 24: So this will only work if the hospitals and the

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Speaker 24: house system holds up.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean if you've got Wellington Hospital wanting

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01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: to take toast off mums.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, listen, thank you so much. Are you gonna

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: go away and celebrate Richard? You're gonna have a beer?

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Speaker 24: What do you mean today?

1382
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 8: Well?

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01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: No, oh no, you celebrated with Wayne yesterday. Yeah, you

1384
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: had to be with Wayne.

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Speaker 19: We've got work to do.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, now you do the muhi. Okay, guys, thanks

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: very much. Enjoy your week. What am I saying a weekend?

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Speaker 4: Lord?

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Speaker 2: What is going on?

1390
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I am. I've got to explain this

1392
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: is I forgot to tell you this you and hang on.

1393
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Speaker 2: It'll explain everything in a minute. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southebys International Realty, the global

1395
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate. It's the Heather Duplessy allan

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Speaker 1: Drive full show podcast on my Heart Radio powered by

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zeb heither just to Richard's point about making sure the

1399
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: dyslexic kids know how to read. Structured literacy is exactly

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01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: how dyslexics learn best. My son went through the old system,

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01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: which is the whole word world and whole Wordson's. We

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: spent thousands of dollars in and out of school tutoring

1403
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: where he out of school tutoring where he learned via

1404
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: the structured learning method. This is kind of weird. Israeli

1405
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: hostages will receive a reception kit. It's just been it's

1406
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: just been revealed. They're going to receive a reception kit

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01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: that includes clothing, obviously, because I mean that's been two years. Clothing.

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: Personal items are laptop, a mobile phone, a tablet, and

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: also a personal note written by Benjamin Netanyahu and his

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01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: wife Sarah. It reads on behalf of the entire people

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01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: of Israel, welcome back. We waited for you, and we

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Speaker 2: embrace you. Anyway, about five five or so minutes before

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: the first should be released, so we will bring you

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: that obviously. Yeah, so what happened because because lovely old

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Speaker 2: Tony Boynton just after five mehed me for being a

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Speaker 2: working mum, and I appreciated that. Today because yeah, help

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Speaker 2: us one this morning, guess where I was? I was

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Speaker 2: in starship with the three and a half year old.

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: So what happened. He's absolutely fine and the nothing to

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 2: worry about. But it's just a working life job, working

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: mum's life, isn't it. You're there, you're sitting in starship

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01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: until half past one, and then you're taking the child

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: home and then you're doing your day's work anyway, and

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: you're not complaining about it. What happened was he just

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: had a bit of a lung thing and then he

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01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: was coughing, and then got the Plunket line on that

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: on his own and we went to bed helps nine

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 2: and looked at him and I thought, yeah, I don't

1429
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: like how much you're having to work to breathe. So

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01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: I got Plunket line on the phone and they did

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: a little video console, which, by the way, if you

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: didn't know they do that is amazing. They say, just

1433
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 2: turn the video, just press this link, turn the video

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Speaker 2: on your phone. They have a look and she was like, Nap,

1435
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: take him to hospital immediately, and if he turns blue

1436
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: before you get him to hospital, you call a nambo.

1437
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: I was like, do I have time to pack a bag?

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: She's like, just pack a bag now, go. I was like,

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01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: who anyway, took him to hospital and they've sorted him out.

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Speaker 2: He's on the antibiotics and he will be fine. Also,

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Speaker 2: just while I was there, I was thinking, why is

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: it that we always discover that the children are having

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: difficulty breathing in the middle of the bloody night. Why

1444
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: can't we discover this at I don't know, a convenient

1445
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: time like ten in the morning. Anyway, Shout out to

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Speaker 2: the people at Starship are awesome at what they do.

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: Right Nikola willis another working mum is going to be

1448
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: with us straight after this news and choppers are arriving.

1449
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: In the footage from from Israel, they've got locked off

1450
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: cameras looking at the various points where their hostages should

1451
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: be emerging from. So as soon as anything happens, I'm

1452
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: going to get you across it.

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Speaker 26: News talks, Dad's.

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01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: Up, what's down? What with a major cause and how

1455
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Speaker 1: will it affect the economy? The big business questions on

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather.

1457
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Speaker 3: Duplicy, Allen and Mas.

1458
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: For insurance investments and Hueye Safer You're in good hands.

1459
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Speaker 3: News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour. The Equal Unity,

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Speaker 2: Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner actually has penned an op ed

1462
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: in the defense of DEI. She's with us up the

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01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: half past Shane Soley on the Fletcher Building News, and

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: then Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK

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Speaker 2: at seven past six, and with us now we have

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. Nikola Hello, Hello Heather, Hey,

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Speaker 2: before we get started. Is there a poll coming out

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Speaker 2: with TV and Z tonight?

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Speaker 27: I understand there is.

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Speaker 2: Is it good for you guys or not?

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Speaker 27: Well, As we always say, poles bounce up and down

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Speaker 27: and all around. It is fair to say that this

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Speaker 27: one shows a different result from other polls that have

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Speaker 27: been published recently.

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Speaker 2: So for this one you start with a three instead

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01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: of a two.

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Speaker 27: I'm not going to comment on it because I take

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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 27: our obligations to TVNZ seriously and till I've taken that

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 27: news to their viewers, I shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Well stand by Will stand by now on Chorus, if

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Speaker 2: we sell the Chorus debt at how much of a

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Speaker 2: discount are we selling it?

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Speaker 27: Well, that's exactly why we're going out to explore that

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Speaker 27: with the market. Essentially, Chorus already obligated to pay us

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Speaker 27: back lending that the Crown did to them. And what

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01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 27: we're investigating is if we gave that debt to someone

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 27: else to manage and we got paid back quicker, would

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 27: that be worth it for the crown? So we need

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Speaker 27: to weigh out what price would we get it for.

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Speaker 27: What could we use that money for today that would

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 27: be of value, what extra borrowing would that prevent us

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Speaker 27: having to do, and what would that be worth overall?

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Speaker 27: So we're going out to get a bit more information

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Speaker 27: about what the price would be that we could get

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Speaker 27: for it, and then we'll make some judgments about whether

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Speaker 27: we proceed.

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Speaker 2: What if you I mean, you must have crunch some

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01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: numbers to kind of have a fair idea of what

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Speaker 2: you would tolerate. Would you tolerate? I don't know it

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Speaker 2: discount as big as thirty percent?

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Speaker 27: Well, it is a commercially sensitive transaction, so I don't

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Speaker 27: want to comment on that because I want to get

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Speaker 27: the best steel possible for the taxpayer, and any comments

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Speaker 27: I make at this point could foreclose the options. At

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01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 27: the current book value, the securities which we have have

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 27: a value of six hundred and forty two million, but

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Speaker 27: the actual value will depend on the market.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, on the family boost nearly half of the money.

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Speaker 2: It was revealed the weekend is going to families who

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 2: earn more than one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. No,

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Speaker 2: this can't be what we want to do, be putting

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Speaker 2: money into relatively wealthy families pockets.

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Speaker 27: Do we well break that down and think about who

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Speaker 27: are those families. So the thing with family Boaster is

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 27: you claim more depending on what level of fees you pay.

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 27: So you have to be paying three hundred dollars a

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 27: week or more to claim the full entitlement. So families

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 27: paying that amount of fees tend to be where mum

1519
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 27: and dad are both working full time or both caregivers

1520
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 27: are working full time, and so therefore they're eligible for

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01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 27: more support because they're paying more than fit in fees.

1522
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 27: So it's always been designed to give a little bit

1523
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 27: of help to those people who are working hard, paying

1524
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 27: huge early childhood education fees in order to be able

1525
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 27: to work. So that's what the scheme's for. It's for

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 27: those battling parents who are out there trying to do

1527
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 27: the right thing, working really hard, juggling like crazy, and

1528
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 27: then they get hit by big ec.

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01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: This is welfare, right and we just don't have that

1530
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: much money as a country. We should be giving welfare

1531
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: to the people who actually can't afford it, and the

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 2: rest everybody else just needs to make do, don't we.

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01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,440
Speaker 27: Well, this is very targeted support, so to be eligible

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 27: for it, you still have to be under household income

1535
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 27: over the course of a year, and you have to

1536
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 27: be paying those ECE fees in the first place. It

1537
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 27: was a cornerstone part of our tax relief package that

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 27: we campaigned on at the election, because we said, look,

1539
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 27: when we're offering tax relief, we want it for everyone

1540
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 27: who's working, and we've delivered that. But we're also particularly

1541
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 27: sympathetic to parents at that early stage when you're just

1542
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 27: set upon by fees, because actually you.

1543
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be appreciating you should have simply get in tax relief.

1544
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: Then shouldn't you let people keep more of their tax

1545
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: rather than taking the tax and then redistributing it as welfare.

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01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: It's a rich one.

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 27: Well, it's the most expensive time in life when your

1548
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 27: kids are in early childhood education because once they go

1549
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 27: to school, that's free. But in that early stage when

1550
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 27: you've often also got a first mortgage or high rental costs,

1551
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 27: where you're actually limited in your ability to return to

1552
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 27: work full time, you really get hit by costs. So

1553
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 27: we're upfront. We're going to target extra relief at families

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 27: with young children. And actually when I talk to moms

1555
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 27: and dads up and down the country and actually grandparents,

1556
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 27: they say, well, of all the times in life, that's

1557
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 27: the time to help.

1558
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: Did you vote in the local body elections?

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 7: I did.

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: If anybody was going to get away with not voting,

1561
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be somebody as busy

1562
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: as you. All right, when you opened your book phone, Nicoler,

1563
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: were your heartened by the quality of the people. Was

1564
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 2: there a moment where you thought, oh lord, here we go.

1565
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 27: Well look I'm in Wellington, right and so.

1566
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: So it was oly, here we go.

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 27: Well look, I've been up front. What I want for

1568
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,480
Speaker 27: Wellington is for Wellingtonians not to face the rate increases

1569
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 27: that they had in recent years. And what was quite

1570
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 27: obvious to me was there was no one really run

1571
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 27: a campaign message that was really clearly about that, with

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 27: a really clear plant that rage chungs.

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01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 2: But then he got tripped up by the pendulous breasts.

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 27: There was that, But also you missed my second bit,

1575
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 27: which was and a really clear plan to deliver it.

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: Oh you plan?

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 27: Okay, Well, I just think that spelling these things out

1578
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 27: really helps. And look where we are. We've got a

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 27: new mayor that can only be a good thing that

1580
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 27: he's got a clean mandate from the people. We've got

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01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 27: a new council, and I want to work really constructively

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 27: with that new council to do good things.

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01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 2: Well, given the turnout is so poor, do you know,

1584
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm starting to come around to the idea

1585
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: that we need some structural reform here. We actually probably

1586
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: need to. We've got sixty seven territorial authority's probably about

1587
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: a thousand local body politicians across the country, not a

1588
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: number I'm making up. Do you not think that we

1589
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: need to cut it right back?

1590
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 27: Well, of what I'm increasingly of the view of is

1591
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 27: that this whole postal voting thing is too complicated for

1592
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 27: a lot of people. It might be about if it

1593
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 27: was just turn up and vote, Turn up to the booth,

1594
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 27: turn up to the place, just as you do for

1595
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 27: general government elections. Because I just have sympathy for the people.

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 27: You know, you get the letter, or you don't get

1597
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 27: the letter, then you have to fill in the papers,

1598
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 27: then you have to remember to send them, and that's

1599
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 27: a lot of steps in the process, whereas just bowling

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01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 27: up to your local voting place is quite simple. I'm

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01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 27: not in favor of online voting. I think that's open

1602
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 27: to all sorts of problems, but I do think that

1603
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 27: we should be having another lock at the voting system

1604
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 27: as a whole to make sure as many people vote

1605
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 27: as possible.

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: Now, I am loving all the government agencies going after

1607
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: the money that's owed to them or other people, and

1608
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: the IDs OBUs doing a great job here. But my

1609
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 2: question to you is why has it taken so long

1610
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 2: to recover debt that has been outstanding for five years?

1611
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 27: Yeah, look, it's a really good question. I actually spoke

1612
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 27: with the ID about this today, and they made quite

1613
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 27: a deliberate decision during COVID not to chase text debt

1614
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 27: because they wanted to leave a bit of time for

1615
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 27: everyone to get on their feet. But the problem is

1616
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 27: we're still paying the price for that some years later.

1617
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 27: And at the end of the day, the vast majority

1618
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 27: of tax payers pay the text they owe by law,

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 27: and it's not fair on everyone else if some people

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 27: just shirk their obligation. And so ird are now chasing that.

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01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 27: We of course as a government have given them funding

1622
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 27: to ensure that they can do audits, they can chase up,

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01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 27: they can do those things because for us it's about fairness.

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant. Hey, Nicola, thanks very much, appreciate it. Nichola Willis,

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: Finance Minister the Red Cross says the hostage release has started.

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01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: So far there is no video evidence, I mean take

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: them at their word. So far, there is no video

1628
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 2: evidence showing that, although we're standing by for that, and

1629
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 2: you know the cameras are locked off on Gaza waiting

1630
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 2: for it, so as soon as it happens, we're telling

1631
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 2: you everything about it.

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: Quarter past it's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full

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01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: Show podcast on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg ZEPPI let.

1634
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: Me run you through the tvns at Verian poll which

1635
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: just came out just before National is on thirty four

1636
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: percent no change, Labor's on thirty two percent down one,

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: Greens are on a lie even up one. New Zealand

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01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: First is on nine no change, Actors on nine no change,

1639
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: the Maori parties on three down one and the Coalition

1640
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: made empower on those numbers. So it is slightly different

1641
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: from what we were quite different from what we saw

1642
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 2: from the Taxpayers Union Caurier poll last week. Approval ratings

1643
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: really not This is not good for the Prime minister unfortunately.

1644
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 2: These are the approval ratings that how you get them.

1645
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 2: You look at the positive and then you duck the negative.

1646
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: You know how people feel about him, and so his

1647
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 2: approval rating is now negative fourteen, down seven from March.

1648
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: And Hipkins is on approval rating of one, which is

1649
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: down fifteen from March eighteen past six. And Shane solely

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01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: harbor asset Management is with us a Shane, I like

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: you that all right? So what did you make of

1652
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: the economic data out today?

1653
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 13: Yeah, unfortunately is a more self data.

1654
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 28: We saw the New Zealand Performance Service and the Extensive

1655
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 28: lead indicator for service sector in New Zeon. It was

1656
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 28: up to forty eight point three in September from forty

1657
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 28: seven point five in July, which is good, but it's

1658
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 28: still below fifty. But that means the services sector still

1659
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 28: can try acting. Our economy is still struggling. The g

1660
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 28: gain in traction net migration for August was a whole

1661
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 28: four hundred and sixty people, well below the rate of

1662
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 28: two thousand seen in June and July. Other side, we're

1663
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 28: seeing a little bit of improvement and tourism. Short term

1664
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 28: visitors up set and a half percent, and August.

1665
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 4: Net was up.

1666
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 28: July was also positive. So we are still lagging though

1667
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 28: they visiting numbers. We're still at ninety one point of

1668
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 28: pre COVID, so meaning that international tourism still a bit

1669
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 28: of a drag on the economy. Good news is all

1670
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 28: of airline representers is on. They're saying international service is

1671
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 28: coming in the next six months. They're going to see

1672
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 28: us starting to grow again. So tourism could be starting

1673
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 28: to boost the economy again. If we're here, if we

1674
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 28: look forward twelve.

1675
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: Months, Wow, what do the market make? By the way

1676
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: of today's Fletcher Building a quarterly update.

1677
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 28: Yeah, unfortunately a bit of below expectations. The first quarter

1678
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 28: for Fletcher Building, the light building products were weaker than expected,

1679
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 28: so they're slightly better than that fourth quarter of twenty

1680
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 28: twenty five. But spectations heavy building, that was the real

1681
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 28: hip that was where the materials really dropped away. Some

1682
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 28: margin Hip two in terms of some things like some

1683
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 28: of the retail parts their business things, a bit of pressure.

1684
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 28: Fleitcher building are pretty cautious outlook statement from management talking

1685
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 28: about market conditions remaining challenging for the rest of twenty

1686
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 28: twenty six given this uncertainty of time when they recovery

1687
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 28: and residential sector, they have gone another notch in terms

1688
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 28: of cost saving. They're now targeting another one hundred million

1689
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 28: of cost savings with fifty mil in the first half. Unfortunately,

1690
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 28: the Fletcher Building ship ice down two percent on the

1691
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 28: data three dollars twenty two.

1692
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: And precing property I announced that new equity capital raise today.

1693
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: What is the take on that.

1694
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, it's actually been taken pretty well by the market.

1695
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 13: They're raising three hundred and ten million dollars.

1696
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 28: To really help kickstart their three point seven b in

1697
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 28: development portfolio. Some of the three hundred mil will be

1698
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 28: used to funday six hundred and thirty eight bid purpose

1699
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 28: built student accommodation building in Orpen's Queen Street about two

1700
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 28: and eighty five mil. Heather was raised institutional investors a

1701
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 28: dollar twenty three. It's been pretty well supported. Retell them

1702
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 28: this is they've got the opportunity to buy into the

1703
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 28: Sharp Poogs plan at the same price if.

1704
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 13: They own shoes. Before the announcement today. So yeah, big

1705
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 13: big day for the new Zealasy marker.

1706
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 28: I've watually the market down zero point eight five percent

1707
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 28: on a combo of all the above.

1708
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 2: Shane, it's good to talk to mate. Thanks very much

1709
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: for running us through Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management. Look,

1710
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: this is an update on the hostages. Seven hostages are

1711
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: with the Red Cross en route home reportedly, and just

1712
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 2: to illustrate how emotional this is at the moment on

1713
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 2: Sky TV, the reporter has actually choked up speaking about this.

1714
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 7: Andrew, this is the moment we have been waiting for.

1715
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 7: Seven hostages with the Red Cross after two years on

1716
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 7: their way home to Israel. They are coming home. This

1717
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 7: is the beginning of the end of the war. To

1718
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 7: see them home shortly. I can't tell you there will

1719
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 7: not be a try I in all of Israel. There

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 7: are hundreds of thousands of people on the streets celebrated.

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01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously seven out of twenty so more to come.

1722
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: Keep you posted six twenty two.

1723
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1724
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: The business hour, we're the header do for c Ellen

1725
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: and mas for insurance investments and Juye Safer and you're

1726
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: in good hands news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be as I said earlier, we're going to be

1728
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Speaker 2: speaking to the Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner in about ten

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01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: minutes time. She's written a piece, an opinion piece where

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01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 2: she's basically said, we need the DEI and the DEI

1731
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 2: makes everything fairer, but it also makes your business run better.

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: So we'll just see if we can understand quite how

1733
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: that works. Is I don't mind it. It's you know,

1734
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: they say these things and I'd love to believe it.

1735
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: So I'm here to be convinced. Here the read the

1736
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: local body postal vote. Where on earth do you actually

1737
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: post the envelopes these days? All the street side postboxes

1738
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: are gone. Some places don't have post offices anymore. It's

1739
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: pretty much obsolete. Andy, such a good point. We are

1740
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: very lucky we have a post office right next to work,

1741
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 2: so I don't feel the pain that most people feel.

1742
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: But I mean, the postal thing is dead. But look,

1743
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: you can't be going to the internet right kill any

1744
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: idea in your head that the internet is a solution here,

1745
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: because we there is cyber war going on on a

1746
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 2: scale that I don't think that we really understand. In

1747
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 2: New Zealand, and Russia and China are going large on this,

1748
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 2: and the minute that we did anything like that on

1749
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: the internet, guarantee they'd be in there and they'd be

1750
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: basically fundamentally undermining our democracy. So we cannot don't even

1751
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: think about it. We cannot do this properly. In New Zealand.

1752
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean the other day a guy who went and

1753
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: took a handwritten notes at a conference for five Eyes

1754
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: gave the notes to the post office, post shop or

1755
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: the op shop for us to find it. We can't

1756
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 2: even be trusted with written notes, never mind the Internet.

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: So that's not gonna happen. I think it's going to

1758
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 2: have to be in person like it is central body.

1759
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: But as I said earlier, that's only in a solve

1760
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: part of the problem, not the fundamental problem, which is

1761
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: that we're being asked to elect numpties who we don't

1762
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 2: actually believe will do the work.

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Speaker 12: Six twenty six, Show business like show business.

1764
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: Now as Church Diane Cington, Hollywood legend, passed away over

1765
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: the weekend, we now have a few more details. Turns

1766
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: out the seventy nine year old died after a very

1767
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 2: short illness and her friends, like singer songwriter Carol Beyer

1768
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: Saga told press that Keaton's health declined very rapidly. She

1769
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: became very thin over the past two or three weeks.

1770
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: She was famous for her roles in the Godfather movies

1771
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: in The First Wife's Club alongside Goldiehorn and Bette Midler,

1772
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: and then went on to star as Annie Hall and

1773
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Nannie Hall, which obviously one of her first OSCAR after

1774
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: three other nominations, and it's been revealed we wouldn't have

1775
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 2: had one of our brightest stars without her influence. Reese

1776
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 2: with a Spoon posted this tribute on her Instagram. No,

1777
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 2: that's not what she posted. This is what she posted.

1778
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: Dane was really important. She was one of my first mentors.

1779
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 11: I was playing this little southern girl.

1780
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: And she goes, who are you.

1781
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 23: I said, I'm Reese Witherston Nashville, Tennessee.

1782
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 2: But she said are you making that up?

1783
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 23: And I said, no, ma'am, I'm from Nashville, Tennessee, and

1784
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 23: I'm here and.

1785
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: I'd love to be in your movie. And she was like, well,

1786
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: you're hired. You're hired today, tomorrow and the next day.

1787
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: Tributesful Diana have poured out over the last twenty four

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01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 2: hours from stars like Ben Stiller, Steve Martin, Octavia Spencer,

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01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: Cynthia Nixon and family. Has also said she was with

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01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: loved ones when she passed away in her home. There

1791
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: you go, right, News is next, and then after that,

1792
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:27,520
Speaker 2: let's talk DEI.

1793
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 26: News talks Evy.

1794
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,520
Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1795
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,799
Speaker 1: It's hither toothless Ellen with the Business Hour and Mas

1796
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: for insurance investments and Quie Saber, you're in good hands.

1797
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: News talks d be.

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01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 2: Kist that a Labor Party Talbot Mills poll comes out

1799
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 2: tomorrow and shows Labor and the Left with the numbers

1800
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: to govern, just to retake the narrative would be the

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: first time it's happened, by the way, somebody's pointed out

1802
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: that Chippy has got himself a fresh haircut, and he

1803
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: does he got a cut for today, maybe I don't know,

1804
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: maybe for maybe just for it's a Monday. You can

1805
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: turn up with a fresh cup, maybe for the pole.

1806
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: But it is so fresh that you know it's been

1807
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: cut today because that hairdresser he's put some gel in

1808
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: it and he's got he's done a little side parting

1809
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: and combed. It's very nice. It's a good look. On Chippy. Actually,

1810
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: Chippy should be doing that on the regular. By the way,

1811
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: we have Gavin Gray back from his holiday. He's with

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: us in ten minutes time. It's twenty four away from

1813
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 2: seven now. The Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner has penned an

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: op ed in the defense of DEI, which is obviously diversity,

1815
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. Earlier this year, Judith Collins announced she

1816
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 2: wants to remove DEI requirements from the Public Surface Act.

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: Winston Peters has long been railing against it, and both

1818
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: say that we shouldn't stand in the way of hiring

1819
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: the best people for the job. You need to stop

1820
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 2: putting labels on people. Gail Pachaco is the Equal Employment

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: Opportunities Commissioner with US. Hey, Gail, Hello, Now I'm fascinated

1822
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: by the fact that you say it's good for productivity

1823
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 2: to implement the DEI. How does that work?

1824
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 23: Well? As you said, I'm an EEO commissioner, but I'm

1825
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 23: also I've been a professor of economics for many years,

1826
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 23: and i was a former Productivity Commissioner, So I've looked

1827
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Speaker 23: at the evidence through all of these lenses, and the

1828
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 23: evidence sort of consistently shows whether it's international evidence or

1829
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 23: even New Zealand evidence that I've researched that I've led

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01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 23: that DEI policies, when they're embedded into the workplace, they're

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01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 23: actually good for ensuring meritocracy and they help with productivity growth.

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: How do we know that? How can we measure it?

1833
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 4: Well?

1834
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 23: The research papers have worked with data from thousands of firms,

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01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 23: So there's McKinsey data, there's work with thousands firms. There's

1836
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 23: Odd data as well, and there's New Zealand data that

1837
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 23: we've recently done as well, and that's worked with two

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01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 23: decades of administrative data from across all of New Zealand firms,

1839
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 23: and in that we find a very clear and positive

1840
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 23: link between workplace diversity and productivity growth.

1841
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so done, you've compiled some data yourself.

1842
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 20: Have you?

1843
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 23: Yes, So we've done data using the administrative data from

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01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 23: the longitudinal Business data frame.

1845
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, how do you know that it's definitely about

1846
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 2: the DEI.

1847
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 23: Well, in this research, so we use econometric methods where

1848
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 23: we also control for other characteristics of the firm, so

1849
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 23: you can kind of control for things like firm size

1850
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 23: or other firm characteristics that might also be related to productivity.

1851
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 23: And if you can control for those things and you

1852
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 23: still find a positive link between diversity, and this matches

1853
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 23: with dozens of international studies, that's very clear signal that

1854
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 23: DEI is actually good for productivity and economic growth.

1855
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 2: But what is it about DEI that's creating productivity growth?

1856
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing I don't understand. I mean, you've got, sure,

1857
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 2: you've got. I mean you get yourself a new staff member,

1858
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: which presumably is good for productivity anyway, because they are,

1859
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: you know, excited about the job. But then what about

1860
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 2: being a woman, or being brown or you know, being

1861
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: less able suddenly makes productivity shoot up?

1862
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 23: Well, having a diverse range of ideas, diverse range of expertise,

1863
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 23: and diverse DEI policies in not themselves mean that you

1864
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 23: ensure the best people get to the role. So it's

1865
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 23: not just about particular groups getting into roles. It's about

1866
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 23: ensuring the best people get to the role, and de

1867
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 23: policies ensure that you remove some of those barriers that

1868
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 23: sometimes might mean the best people aren't getting to the role. Okay,

1869
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 23: So well, in the column, I'm focused on sort of

1870
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 23: showing how DEI actually supports meritocracy.

1871
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you did the study, and yet you

1872
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: saw that there was some sort of a link between

1873
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, DEI and productivity. Did you have a comparison

1874
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: group that was less diverse and therefore less productive?

1875
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 23: Yeah, well that's what the study does. It looks at

1876
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 23: those with lower productivity and the difference that happens when

1877
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 23: or as well as those with higher productivity, and looks

1878
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 23: at the differences in terms of workplace diversity.

1879
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 11: And so it looks at the full range.

1880
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: Okay, and so how this is going back years? So

1881
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: you're telling me that for years you guys have been

1882
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: able to access the data of like whether the employees

1883
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 2: are women, whether the employees are brown, whatever.

1884
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1885
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 23: So the data in the stats New Zealand, the administrative

1886
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,480
Speaker 23: data on firms allows us to look at firm characteristics.

1887
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 23: It also allows us to link with individual information and

1888
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 23: you can see the characteristics of the employees by gender,

1889
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 23: by ethnicity, etc. And this is data that we've used

1890
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 23: even in my previous role when I was Director of

1891
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 23: the New Zealand Policy Research Institute for dozens of different

1892
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 23: projects that were focused on evidence of different policy evaluation,

1893
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 23: whether firm level policy, where the labor market policy, where

1894
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 23: the health policy, etc.

1895
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Gail, I'm really open to being convinced, but I'm

1896
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: not convinced yet. Have you got one example, just one

1897
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 2: example of this in practice, Like these guys hired a

1898
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: woman and therefore they were more productive because she did this.

1899
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 23: Well, these are averages of course across the ecuntry. But

1900
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 23: what's really important, I mean, a really good example I

1901
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 23: find to point to is what the public service did right. So,

1902
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 23: the public service had a very concerted effort towards DEI

1903
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 23: between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty four. In particular,

1904
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 23: actually started back in twenty eighteen. And when they had

1905
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 23: a concerted effort and they introduced requirements for public sector agencies,

1906
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 23: for instance, to report on pay gaps, they provided a

1907
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 23: lot of concrete guidance on DEI. They provided guidance on

1908
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 23: removing bias from reeneration, human resources policies, et cetera. The

1909
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 23: impact that had over those six years was immense. Like,

1910
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,959
Speaker 23: the pay gap fell.

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Speaker 2: Maskedly, the high gaps are not productive.

1912
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 23: Ad yeah, well, the pay gap, Well, the data they

1913
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,799
Speaker 23: had showed the pay gap fell markedly. They also corrected

1914
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 23: for salaries of similarly skilled employees in the same or

1915
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 23: similar role. So in that race, in that piece of work,

1916
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 23: they had really good results in terms of closing the gap.

1917
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 23: And I mean the other thing to consider here, Heather,

1918
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 23: is that you know what our workforce is going to

1919
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 23: look like in the next twenty years, So if we're

1920
01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 23: not tapping onto this talent pool of and ethnic communities,

1921
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 23: et cetera, that's not going to be good for our

1922
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 23: productivity in the long run. Just from a pure demographic

1923
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 23: point of view, Like within twenty years, sixty percent of

1924
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 23: our workforce are going to be either Mariy, Pacific or Asian.

1925
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 23: And if we don't tap into that workforce capability and

1926
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 23: capacity now and start building into that now, what is

1927
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 23: going to happen to our productivity in the long run? Right?

1928
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 2: Gal? Thank you? Gal Pachaco, Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner. Seventeen

1929
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 2: away from seven hither dup c Ellen. So on another subject,

1930
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Speaker 2: the Maori Party hucker from last week made it onto

1931
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 2: Fox Tally. So this is a chap called Raymond And

1932
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,560
Speaker 2: I actually don't know who Raymond is. You might know

1933
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 2: who Raymond is if you watch Fox Tally, but Raymond

1934
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 2: was on Laura Ingram Show.

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Speaker 5: The New Zealand Parliament, which was overtaken this week by

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01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 5: Polynesian war cries complete with face paint.

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Speaker 2: Hey, non's seeing face paint. There's real tattoos anyway. So

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Speaker 2: then they play a clip, they have a look to

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Speaker 2: it and look at it and they chat about it.

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Speaker 5: That new member, she's a member of this Morari party,

1941
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Speaker 5: which is an indigenous party there in New Zealand. She

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Speaker 5: is being examined and they may suspend her as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, anyway, So that's what it's like when

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Speaker 2: the internationals discuss us. Listen just quickly to what's going

1945
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Speaker 2: on with the hostage situation. This has just come in.

1946
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Speaker 2: Seven hostages, as we told you earlier, have been released

1947
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Speaker 2: to the Red Cross. This is Jeremy Diamond, CNN's Jerusalem correspondent.

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Speaker 29: We do not yet know what their condition is, but

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Speaker 29: we do know that here at the Reign Military basis

1950
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Speaker 29: where they will receive an initial medical evaluation. Depending on

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Speaker 29: their condition, they will either spend time with their families

1952
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Speaker 29: here or if there's a sense that they need immediate

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Speaker 29: medical attention, they will then be taken directly in helicopters

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Speaker 29: to those hospitals in the Tel Aviv area.

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Speaker 2: Right that explains the helicopters being there. Gavin Gray out

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Speaker 2: of the UKs with us shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's the macro microbe or just plain economics, it's

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Speaker 1: all on the business hour with hither duplicy Ellen and

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Speaker 1: to men for insurance investments and Kui Safer.

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Speaker 3: You're in good heads.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: There is no data on DEI. Ask her for the

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Speaker 2: details of the data. The work that I read out

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Speaker 2: of MIT said that all the DEI proponents are quoting

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Speaker 2: the same faulty data and then quoting each other. A

1966
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Speaker 2: true mirt by the way, I've read the same thing.

1967
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Speaker 2: A true meritocracy will negate the need for DEI. What

1968
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Speaker 2: we have to do is ensure there's a true meritocracy

1969
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Speaker 2: without bias. How can anyone ever out before, how can

1970
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Speaker 2: anything ever outperform having the best kindest regards, Paul, Look,

1971
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Speaker 2: I think where we saw that there. When you press

1972
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Speaker 2: for actual examples, and then the example is the public

1973
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Speaker 2: service under just sinder our Durn's administration. You know that's

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Speaker 2: not an example. That's the opposite of productivity. And then

1975
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Speaker 2: the measure of productivity is that people get paid more.

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Speaker 2: That's not productivity. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, unconvinced,

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Speaker 2: and remain thus twelve away from seven. Now Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent is with us now hallo, Gavin Hi. So

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Speaker 2: star is off to Egypt.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, he's there and ready to bask in the reflected

1981
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 20: glory of Donald Trump. And plenty of people, however, are saying,

1982
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 20: why is Secure Starmer going to this ceremony when this

1983
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 20: is a deal done between Israel and Gaza and Hamas

1984
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 20: and the US. And really we can't quite work out

1985
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Speaker 20: what the role of the British government is, but we

1986
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 20: are told that the UK government played a key role

1987
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Speaker 20: in the Gars of Peace plan.

1988
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Speaker 4: The question is what.

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Speaker 20: Well, in the weekend interviews at the television, one cabinet

1990
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Speaker 20: minister said, yep, it was a key role we played.

1991
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Speaker 20: We're really done behind the scenes here in shaping this

1992
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Speaker 20: deal and it was the right thing to do because

1993
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Speaker 20: it's in all our interests. However, the US Ambassador to Israel,

1994
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Speaker 20: Mike Huckabee has reposted her comments and put the tag

1995
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Speaker 20: I'm sure, I assure you she's delusional. She can thank

1996
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Speaker 20: Donald Trump anytime, just to set the records straight. And

1997
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 20: this is, you know, a feeling of some of our

1998
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 20: opposition Mpiece were saying, look, there's so much to do

1999
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Speaker 20: here in this country. Why is our prime minister swaning

2000
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 20: off abroad declined glory for something which we can't really

2001
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Speaker 20: work out what.

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Speaker 3: Glory that is.

2003
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Speaker 20: And indeed, in some instances back in August to mister Huckerbye,

2004
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 20: the ambassador again said that the UK and other European

2005
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 20: nations who were declaring a Palestinian state say they are

2006
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 20: having counterproductive effects and more than they were probably thinking. Indeed,

2007
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 20: Israel's deputy Foreign Affairs minister said that the UK had

2008
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 20: the opposite of a key role in the piece deal.

2009
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Speaker 20: Anyway he's there, We're going to look to see what

2010
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 20: it's said and what that key role is. But people

2011
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 20: are still pushing to find out exactly the role the

2012
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 20: UK is supposed to have played.

2013
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Speaker 2: How I'm fascinated by diesel Gate. This is kicking off today,

2014
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Speaker 2: is it?

2015
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 3: Yes?

2016
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Speaker 20: It is? It starts today. Don't hold your breath, however,

2017
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 20: because it looks like we won't get a judgment for

2018
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 20: at least well nine ten months or so. It's looking like,

2019
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 20: and this is all about five leading car makers accused

2020
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 20: of cheating on emission tests. The trial is this big, big,

2021
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 20: chapter in what's become known as diesel Gate, with the

2022
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 20: companies facing allegations that they used software in order to

2023
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 20: allow their cars to reduce emissions of harmful gases under

2024
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Speaker 20: test conditions. In other words, allegations these companies were simply

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01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 20: lying about how environmentally friendly their cars were. This is

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Speaker 20: the largest class action in England and Wales legal history

2027
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Speaker 20: and could eventually involve one point six million car owners.

2028
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Speaker 20: The manufacturers are Mercedes Ford, Pergio, Citron, Reno and Nissan

2029
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 20: Pergio Citron, part of the same group. They all deny

2030
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 20: the accusations and the five have chosen been chosen by

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Speaker 20: the court as lead defendants to be tried first because

2032
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 20: the case is so big and is really going to

2033
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Speaker 20: be in to see how this goes. The scandal first

2034
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 20: emerged back in twenty fifteen when the US Environmental Protection

2035
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 20: Agency accused Volkswagen of installing the so called defeat devices,

2036
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Speaker 20: but since then the Volkswagen has had to settle roughly

2037
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Speaker 20: nearly sixty billion New Zealand dollars over the scandal.

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Speaker 2: Jaece Gavin, thank you very much looking forward, even if

2039
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Speaker 2: it's nineteen months and by the way, it's lovely to

2040
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Speaker 2: have you back on the program. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent,

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Speaker 2: Yike's Heather, you're really struggling with the thought that having

2042
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 2: a diverse workforce is beneficial. That's hilarious. How many different

2043
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:34,799
Speaker 2: ways did you have to tell you how the benefits

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Speaker 2: are statistically clear?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

2046
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Speaker 2: I don't mind diversity though, but I prefer just a

2047
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 2: straight meritocracy. That has got to be the most productive thing,

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01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 2: don't you think. Eight away from seven it's the.

2049
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Speaker 1: Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

2050
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,520
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk.

2051
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Speaker 2: Zebby listen, we need to talk about Prince Andrew really quickly.

2052
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 2: He's been busted lying again. Now I think this is

2053
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 2: I mean, is always busted, you busted in some way,

2054
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 2: but I think this is a significant one. He previously

2055
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: said that he hadn't contacted Jeffrey Epstein at all since

2056
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 2: December twenty ten. That was when the photo was taken

2057
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 2: of them walking in Central Park in New York, and

2058
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 2: he said he'd flown over the sea he could tell

2059
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in person that was the end of their friendship.

2060
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 2: They couldn't be chums with each other anymore, right, So

2061
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 2: that he said that's the last. Well, now it turns

2062
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 2: out he actually emailed Jeffrey Epstein in twenty eleven, the

2063
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: day after the photo emerged, the now famous photo of

2064
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the pair of them standing there with Gallain kind of

2065
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 2: lurking in the background. And Andrew's got his hand his

2066
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 2: hand around Virginia Jeffrey's waist. He emails them the day

2067
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 2: after that photos released. He says we are in this together,

2068
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: keeping close touch, and expressed a wish to play some

2069
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 2: more soon. Ah, he's hadious, He's httious Andrew, Andrew, Andrew,

2070
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Speaker 2: welcome back from Japan.

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01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 19: And thanks good to be here. My name had changed.

2072
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 19: I've been always so long that you've all forgotten what

2073
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 19: That's fine, It totally happens.

2074
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: And now I'm testing you. How are you gonna come

2075
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: off the back of Andrew the creepy guy?

2076
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, this is a difficult segue, so I'm just

2077
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 19: not going to do it. I'm well that move on.

2078
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 19: So which is what I do in this segment quite

2079
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 19: a bit too often. Probably our dance floor anthem by

2080
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 19: good Charlotte to play us out. Tonight, they are coming

2081
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 19: back to New Zealand for the first time since as

2082
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 19: far as we can tell. Twenty seventeen, they're going to

2083
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 19: be playing at the Auckland Domain, so just the one

2084
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 19: show you will have to get up to Auckland if

2085
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 19: you want to go. It'll be on the February the

2086
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 19: twenty seventh, but it's at the Domain, so a it'll

2087
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 19: be a bit of fun and Yellow Card are on

2088
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 19: support as well, a pop punk band from about the

2089
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 19: same era of songs like Ocean Avenue and Only One,

2090
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 19: and they are teasing there'll be special guests as well,

2091
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 19: so maybe there's more on this line.

2092
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 2: Up to come now. Ants out of ten, how good

2093
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: was Japan?

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01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 19: Yeah, I have can'd to give it anything below a

2095
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 19: ten to be honest, lots of people go to Japan.

2096
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 19: If you're listening, chances are you've been, and you'll be

2097
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 19: agreeing with me, nodding along your head. It's just a

2098
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,480
Speaker 19: great place. It's nice, highly recommend.

2099
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: Nice to have you back ends, which is nice to

2100
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Speaker 2: be back. We've actually missed you, like sometimes when you

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01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 2: have to go away for people to realize how number one,

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01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 2: how much we missed you, and number two how hard

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Speaker 2: your job is.

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Speaker 19: And I'd love to I'd love to say that I

2105
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 19: thought about you guys and the show a lot when

2106
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 19: I was over there, But no, not even not a second.

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Speaker 2: The fair enough enjoy evening tomorrow he's so zibby.

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Speaker 4: Good thing is good? What to doing you do around it?

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Speaker 16: That's at

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Speaker 1: Everybody For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live

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