1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Gallaide. Maxwell will meet with the Deputy Attorney General of 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: the US for a second day in a row tomorrow. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Her lawyer said the meeting was productive. This is the 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: one today was productive and she answered all of the 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: questions honestly and will continue to do so. Now this 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: comes at the same time that Donald Trump is under 7 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: huge pressure to release the documents related to Jeffrey Epstein, 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: documents that we now know he is in now. Randy 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Zellen is a US criminal defense lawyer. Randy Hallo, thanks 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: for coming on the show. 11 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate the chance to be on. 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to strike a deal with her? 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Yes? 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: What will be the terms of the deal. 15 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: That I think is difficult. Right now, there are two 16 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: paths for mss Maxwell to get home. One way is 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: if she assists the government, the United States government, the 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: United States Department of Justice in prosecuting someone else. That's 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: what we call in the United States cooperation. If she 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: provides cooperation, if she provides that substantial assistance, that will 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: allow the government to go back to the sentencing judge 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: and say, Judge Glaine Maxwell helped us we were able 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: to prosecute someone else or other people and in exchange 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: for her cooperation, we would like you to resentence her. 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: It's what we call a downward departure. And our laws 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: do permit someone who has been sentenced to be resentenced 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: based upon their cooperation. So that's one way she gets home. 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: The other way she gets home is if she gets 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: a pardon from President Trump or President Trump grants her clemency. 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: In those instances, it is up to the president to 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: determine whether or not her entire conviction should be wiped 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: out like it never happened, or her sentence should be commuted, 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: it should be stopped, and she gets to go home. 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: So those are the two paths to get miss Maxwell home. 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: How does this help Donald Trump, if at all, with 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: the situation that he finds himself in right now, which 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: is that everybody's starting to believe that he really is 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: in those Epstein files in a big way. 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: Well, to the extent that Miss Maxwell, and probably aside 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: from Jeffrey Epstein, there are a few people who know 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: better what actually went on, and to the extent that 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: she truthfully says to the Department of Justice, Hey, yes 43 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: they were friends, they did socialize on occasion, but no, 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is not in the client book, Donald Trump 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: never did anything untoward or inappropriate. And in fact, I 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: recall when Donald Trump made Jeffrey Epstein persona non grata, 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: and anybody who says differently is full of crap. And 48 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: there is nothing to see here. And this is all 49 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: much ado about nothing when it comes to Donald Trump 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein, Randy. 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: No one's gonna believe her if she says that, are they, like, 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if she if she comes out and goes 53 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had nothing to do with it. Oh and 54 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm a free woman now I can 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: get out. No one's going to believe what she says, 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: are they. 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Well, the truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: what anyone else believes. The only thing that matters is 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: what the Department of Justice believes and what. 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: Donald Trump believes. 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: And if that is something that they believe, then either 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: the government will go back to the sentencing judge and 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: it will be up to the sentencing judge to be convinced. 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: And certainly, if the Department of Justice puts pen to 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: paper and says we're able to prosecute other people as 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: a result of the information she gave us that unlocks 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: the door for the judge to say, Okay, ms Max, 68 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: well I'm taking your sentence from twenty years down to whatever, 69 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: including zero, in which case, just get the hell out 70 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: of here and go back across the pond. Or the 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: president can decide to either pardon her or grant her clemency, 72 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: in which case the courts have nothing to do with it. 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: The court is completely cut out of the process. It 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: is between the president and Glaine Maxwell. 75 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Okay, from a political point, and I take your point 76 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, but everybody's 77 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: got opinions on it now, and it is going global. 78 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Something that was just a conspiracy theory before is now 79 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: known by everybody around the world. Politically, How does he 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: get out of this. 81 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: If Glaine Maxwell can again say they were friends, Yes, 82 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: Epstein was at his wedding. They did socialize, but over 83 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: and above that, that was the extent of it. And 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: I never saw anything inappropriate. I never saw anything untoward. 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: I never saw law Donald Trump with anybody that he 86 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to be. And if that is something that 87 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice believes, and if that is something 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 3: that President Trump believes, then that is an instance where 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: ms Maxwell could be on the right side of a 90 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: pardon or the right side of clemency. 91 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: In either event, she goes home. 92 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, Randy. Thank you, Randy Zellen, you iss defense lawyer. 93 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 95 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.