1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,347 Speaker 1: from newstalk zb News. 3 00:00:13,387 --> 00:00:15,907 Speaker 2: Talks have been Weekend Sports seventeen to two. James Mconi 4 00:00:16,027 --> 00:00:20,267 Speaker 2: is always on a Sunday. Hello mate, Hello Piney. 5 00:00:20,347 --> 00:00:23,027 Speaker 3: I'm caught in a bit of boat show traffic in Auckland, 6 00:00:23,107 --> 00:00:26,627 Speaker 3: so I'm on the road to the breakdown on sky tonight. 7 00:00:26,787 --> 00:00:28,907 Speaker 3: So much talk about in the rugby world. There's a 8 00:00:28,907 --> 00:00:29,627 Speaker 3: lot going on. 9 00:00:29,547 --> 00:00:32,667 Speaker 4: Poney, a lot going on. What about it? Tilly beating England? 10 00:00:32,667 --> 00:00:36,267 Speaker 4: How good was that, Magnifico. 11 00:00:36,427 --> 00:00:40,507 Speaker 3: It was unbelievable, the scenes and just the way it 12 00:00:40,547 --> 00:00:43,667 Speaker 3: played out. Yes, there was a dodgy French rev. Yes 13 00:00:43,707 --> 00:00:46,467 Speaker 3: there were two yellow cards to England. But hey, you 14 00:00:46,587 --> 00:00:48,907 Speaker 3: cannot take it away from Italy. They've been doing such 15 00:00:48,947 --> 00:00:53,747 Speaker 3: good things under their Argentinian coach Felipe Continponi side note, 16 00:00:53,827 --> 00:00:57,747 Speaker 3: very good mateive Razors and he's been just kicking goals 17 00:00:57,827 --> 00:01:00,867 Speaker 3: and scoring tries since he's been in charge of the Italians. 18 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:05,947 Speaker 3: And they've actually unearthed a superstar in Tomaso Minticello. I 19 00:01:05,987 --> 00:01:08,107 Speaker 3: don't know if he's related to Anthony, but he definitely 20 00:01:08,147 --> 00:01:11,187 Speaker 3: looks like him. He looks like the Count from Sesame Street. 21 00:01:11,307 --> 00:01:12,667 Speaker 4: See, I'll have to check him out. 22 00:01:12,947 --> 00:01:15,667 Speaker 2: Did you see the score between Scotland and France It 23 00:01:15,747 --> 00:01:17,827 Speaker 2: was fifty forty. 24 00:01:18,387 --> 00:01:21,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Idris goostmate said that's their best performance in 25 00:01:21,427 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 3: a long long time. Even though they conceded forty points, 26 00:01:24,427 --> 00:01:27,507 Speaker 3: they were pumped. So that's what happens after they've had 27 00:01:27,547 --> 00:01:29,627 Speaker 3: a few whiskies after the game, because he sent me 28 00:01:29,667 --> 00:01:33,947 Speaker 3: the at probably midnight local time and the game finished 29 00:01:33,987 --> 00:01:38,787 Speaker 3: at five point thirty. So look, I think Scotland are 30 00:01:38,827 --> 00:01:40,667 Speaker 3: a real threat in the World Cup. I think as 31 00:01:40,707 --> 00:01:44,067 Speaker 3: long as they got Finn Russell and they're operating on 32 00:01:45,187 --> 00:01:48,027 Speaker 3: all sort of twelve cylinders of fifteen cylinders, if you're 33 00:01:48,067 --> 00:01:51,827 Speaker 3: like I think they can upset anybody. 34 00:01:52,707 --> 00:01:54,547 Speaker 2: Now Super Rugby, which I know you'll feature on the 35 00:01:54,547 --> 00:01:57,867 Speaker 2: breakdown tonight as well. I saw Damien McKenzie come back 36 00:01:57,867 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 2: into the chief side like he'd never been away, and 37 00:01:59,907 --> 00:02:02,667 Speaker 2: then last night I saw Boden Barrett come back into 38 00:02:02,707 --> 00:02:04,627 Speaker 2: the Blue side like he'd never been away. Is this 39 00:02:04,747 --> 00:02:08,827 Speaker 2: what happens to high fives? It doesn't actually matter how 40 00:02:08,907 --> 00:02:10,627 Speaker 2: much time you have off, you just come back like 41 00:02:10,667 --> 00:02:11,547 Speaker 2: you've never been away. 42 00:02:12,387 --> 00:02:16,867 Speaker 3: Exactly. Bring back Grant Fox right. The thing is I 43 00:02:16,947 --> 00:02:22,147 Speaker 3: reckon that in fact, class's permanent argument, right, they can 44 00:02:22,227 --> 00:02:24,747 Speaker 3: just slot in anywhere, and even good to see d 45 00:02:24,907 --> 00:02:30,107 Speaker 3: Mac running around like a blueast fly, if you can 46 00:02:30,227 --> 00:02:34,067 Speaker 3: say that, and just setting something up. And now we 47 00:02:34,147 --> 00:02:37,387 Speaker 3: felt like old d Mac, you know, old Damien McKenzie. 48 00:02:37,667 --> 00:02:40,307 Speaker 3: But we've got this embarrassment of riches. But it's all 49 00:02:40,307 --> 00:02:42,507 Speaker 3: coming to a head because Richie Muong is coming back 50 00:02:42,587 --> 00:02:45,107 Speaker 3: soon and that's a big decision to make. But I 51 00:02:45,227 --> 00:02:48,227 Speaker 3: like the fact that there's been so much class shown 52 00:02:48,227 --> 00:02:53,427 Speaker 3: the Hurricanes over in Sydney. Hatrick's galore really proct ely 53 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:57,387 Speaker 3: Roy cartera, Caleb Clark. I mean, this is really good 54 00:02:57,427 --> 00:02:59,987 Speaker 3: to see because I think, you know, the class of 55 00:03:00,027 --> 00:03:02,747 Speaker 3: those players should shine through. They are our best of 56 00:03:02,827 --> 00:03:03,187 Speaker 3: the best. 57 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:06,347 Speaker 2: I think Caleb Tungataw is going to be an All 58 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:09,267 Speaker 2: Black this year. I know it's not a particularly bold claim, 59 00:03:09,427 --> 00:03:10,787 Speaker 2: but do you agree. 60 00:03:11,307 --> 00:03:14,627 Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Agree? I think like it's almost like 61 00:03:14,707 --> 00:03:17,507 Speaker 3: who else comes in? But we're really you know, Semi 62 00:03:17,587 --> 00:03:20,467 Speaker 3: Res has gone, Mark Tala left last year. I haven't 63 00:03:20,507 --> 00:03:24,187 Speaker 3: really filled that void. I think it is it is 64 00:03:24,387 --> 00:03:28,667 Speaker 3: a spot for tongueytail. I just wonder whether will Dave 65 00:03:28,747 --> 00:03:32,787 Speaker 3: Rennie want to play someone like McKenzie at fallback and 66 00:03:32,867 --> 00:03:35,507 Speaker 3: move Will Jordan to the wing. I mean, why didn't 67 00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:38,347 Speaker 3: Will Jordan play last night? I don't understand it. Come on, 68 00:03:38,467 --> 00:03:40,867 Speaker 3: it's a derby game. You've got to have the best 69 00:03:40,867 --> 00:03:44,187 Speaker 3: players playing and that so it would have been lovely 70 00:03:44,227 --> 00:03:46,827 Speaker 3: to see because he's so influential to that Crusader's team. 71 00:03:46,827 --> 00:03:50,827 Speaker 3: But yes, to Caleb tonuytail, he's on a fast track 72 00:03:50,867 --> 00:03:51,427 Speaker 3: to the abs. 73 00:03:51,787 --> 00:03:54,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was weird last night, wasn't it. No Will Jordan, 74 00:03:54,347 --> 00:03:58,027 Speaker 2: I'd never really I didn't hear an actual explanation. I 75 00:03:58,027 --> 00:04:00,747 Speaker 2: don't think he's injured. They were just saying I think 76 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:03,427 Speaker 2: Rob Penny just they kind of almost sort of danced 77 00:04:03,427 --> 00:04:05,427 Speaker 2: around it. Do you know why he didn't play? 78 00:04:08,227 --> 00:04:10,027 Speaker 3: They kind of said that he'd been a bit banged 79 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:12,867 Speaker 3: up for maybe, but he's not on an injury report, 80 00:04:13,067 --> 00:04:17,507 Speaker 3: so I figure, like you know, a lot of old 81 00:04:17,547 --> 00:04:20,147 Speaker 3: rugby players will be out there going well, I got 82 00:04:20,187 --> 00:04:23,547 Speaker 3: banged up all the time, played any minutes every week, 83 00:04:23,707 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 3: so we live in a different times, pony, But what 84 00:04:27,227 --> 00:04:29,147 Speaker 3: a shame that they couldn't put out someone who is 85 00:04:29,187 --> 00:04:33,347 Speaker 3: a genuine global superstar on that stage last night. 86 00:04:33,907 --> 00:04:36,387 Speaker 2: I've just actually had a text from a media colleague 87 00:04:36,427 --> 00:04:38,067 Speaker 2: of ours. I'm not going to name him, but you 88 00:04:38,147 --> 00:04:41,467 Speaker 2: know who it is who tells me that Will Jordan 89 00:04:41,587 --> 00:04:44,867 Speaker 2: had his brother's wedding this weekend. So maybe that was 90 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:46,787 Speaker 2: the red And I think you have to choose your 91 00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:49,867 Speaker 2: brother's wedding over a round robin game of Super Rugby 92 00:04:49,907 --> 00:04:53,907 Speaker 2: Dodge do. It is catastrophic scheduling by Will Jordan's brother, 93 00:04:54,347 --> 00:04:55,267 Speaker 2: But I get that. 94 00:04:55,547 --> 00:04:56,107 Speaker 4: I get it. 95 00:04:56,907 --> 00:04:59,107 Speaker 3: Oh, it's totally fine. You've got to go to your 96 00:04:59,107 --> 00:05:01,747 Speaker 3: brother's wedding. I'd say, Will Jordan can come to my 97 00:05:01,827 --> 00:05:05,187 Speaker 3: wedding if it ever happens, pony and he can be MC. 98 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:09,907 Speaker 3: I'm happy best man. But the thing is that's totally fine. 99 00:05:09,947 --> 00:05:12,987 Speaker 3: Family first, that's the era we live, and I'm glad 100 00:05:12,987 --> 00:05:14,827 Speaker 3: that we do. I mean, I think we had Matt 101 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:18,027 Speaker 3: Henry fly home mid World Cup. Fair play one hundred 102 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:18,787 Speaker 3: percent should. 103 00:05:18,507 --> 00:05:19,867 Speaker 4: Happen, absolutely right. 104 00:05:19,947 --> 00:05:22,147 Speaker 2: Family first, Well, if you could shared your wedding for 105 00:05:22,187 --> 00:05:24,347 Speaker 2: the day the Crusaders played the Hurricanes, that'd be good. 106 00:05:24,347 --> 00:05:26,467 Speaker 2: If Well Jordan wasn't going to be there, that would 107 00:05:26,467 --> 00:05:29,307 Speaker 2: be very helpful. Now, before Dave ready decides on positions 108 00:05:29,307 --> 00:05:31,147 Speaker 2: in the All Blacks, he has to come up with 109 00:05:31,227 --> 00:05:33,147 Speaker 2: his assistant coaching team. 110 00:05:33,187 --> 00:05:34,107 Speaker 4: What are you hearing here? 111 00:05:35,267 --> 00:05:37,547 Speaker 3: Well, I'm hearing probably what you were hearing. And the 112 00:05:37,667 --> 00:05:41,507 Speaker 3: names Neil Barnes, Andrew Strawbridge, tana Umanga have come up. 113 00:05:41,627 --> 00:05:44,787 Speaker 3: Mike Blair, the ex Scottish halfback who worked with him 114 00:05:44,787 --> 00:05:49,587 Speaker 3: in Glasgow's currently working with him at Kobe. Tom Commentary's 115 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:52,347 Speaker 3: another name. I don't think it's going to be too 116 00:05:52,387 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 3: far outside those trusted advisors and assistant coaches. The one 117 00:05:58,627 --> 00:06:02,187 Speaker 3: interesting point I guess about Andrew Strawbridge is he really 118 00:06:02,307 --> 00:06:04,627 Speaker 3: is a bit like a Tony Brown in the sense 119 00:06:04,627 --> 00:06:07,667 Speaker 3: that he's an innovator. He went to England and pretty 120 00:06:07,747 --> 00:06:10,947 Speaker 3: much made them great again. He got them winning and 121 00:06:10,987 --> 00:06:14,747 Speaker 3: look he left late last year and now look at them. 122 00:06:15,187 --> 00:06:18,347 Speaker 3: So that's what you put on your CV. Look how 123 00:06:18,387 --> 00:06:20,867 Speaker 3: they're doing without me. It's like an M and M song. 124 00:06:22,107 --> 00:06:23,467 Speaker 4: Exactly right. 125 00:06:23,787 --> 00:06:28,147 Speaker 2: Hey, I've set my alarm tomorrow morning for two twenty two. 126 00:06:28,947 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 2: The game, the T twenty World Cup Final, starts at 127 00:06:31,587 --> 00:06:35,467 Speaker 2: two thirty two twenty two. Nathan Astall's famous score of 128 00:06:35,507 --> 00:06:38,107 Speaker 2: course will you join me? And getting up at two 129 00:06:38,147 --> 00:06:39,907 Speaker 2: twenty two. 130 00:06:40,147 --> 00:06:43,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, two for twenty two with your beno time. I'll 131 00:06:43,067 --> 00:06:48,307 Speaker 3: be there, Piny, what a match. I actually think it's 132 00:06:49,027 --> 00:06:51,347 Speaker 3: it should be compulsory. At some point of the game. 133 00:06:51,387 --> 00:06:53,267 Speaker 3: You should be watching it. I don't blame you. If 134 00:06:53,267 --> 00:06:56,987 Speaker 3: you only get up for the last fifteen overs, that's fine, 135 00:06:57,027 --> 00:06:59,387 Speaker 3: but it must be watched live. I'm going to be 136 00:06:59,507 --> 00:07:02,267 Speaker 3: up watching it on sky. I'm going to be hoping 137 00:07:02,307 --> 00:07:04,707 Speaker 3: that we're bowling first, because if there's any juice in 138 00:07:04,747 --> 00:07:07,147 Speaker 3: that pitch, we need to use it. And I think 139 00:07:07,147 --> 00:07:09,027 Speaker 3: it all comes down to it. I hate to say it, 140 00:07:09,067 --> 00:07:12,227 Speaker 3: but for Allen's work it so they get it cheaply, 141 00:07:12,347 --> 00:07:16,067 Speaker 3: we're in trouble. He goes berserk, came on. 142 00:07:16,867 --> 00:07:18,307 Speaker 4: It's that and things. 143 00:07:18,347 --> 00:07:20,147 Speaker 2: The other day, I'm still trying to process and he 144 00:07:20,187 --> 00:07:23,267 Speaker 2: went from fifty eight to one hundred and eleven balls. 145 00:07:23,347 --> 00:07:26,707 Speaker 2: He got forty two runs and eleven balls. He just 146 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:30,667 Speaker 2: stood there and he got cramp. He was cramping up 147 00:07:30,907 --> 00:07:31,867 Speaker 2: in the middle of all of that. 148 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:35,187 Speaker 3: You know, that's a good lesson there, Pony, because he 149 00:07:35,227 --> 00:07:36,867 Speaker 3: got a few singles at the start. And you know, 150 00:07:36,907 --> 00:07:39,187 Speaker 3: when you're playing ten twenty cricket and your makes you 151 00:07:39,267 --> 00:07:42,507 Speaker 3: yelling out, hurry up, they get on with it. You 152 00:07:42,507 --> 00:07:45,587 Speaker 3: can say, hey, even for Allen got a few singles 153 00:07:45,587 --> 00:07:48,627 Speaker 3: in a bloody leg by here and there, like just 154 00:07:48,747 --> 00:07:50,827 Speaker 3: chill out until wait till I get to fifty eight 155 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:52,387 Speaker 3: and you'll see some fireworks. Mate. 156 00:07:54,747 --> 00:07:56,227 Speaker 2: He kind of missed around for too long because he 157 00:07:56,227 --> 00:07:57,947 Speaker 2: got there was fifty off nineteen, didn't he. 158 00:07:57,947 --> 00:07:59,587 Speaker 4: But you're right he kind of scratched around. There was 159 00:07:59,587 --> 00:08:00,027 Speaker 4: another game. 160 00:08:00,027 --> 00:08:01,827 Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was against. When the first 161 00:08:01,827 --> 00:08:04,587 Speaker 2: over and here's Alan and ciphered out there. The first 162 00:08:04,587 --> 00:08:07,747 Speaker 2: over was a maiden, a maid and T twenty cricket. 163 00:08:07,747 --> 00:08:10,467 Speaker 2: It's so rare, but it didn't matter. They went on 164 00:08:10,507 --> 00:08:11,587 Speaker 2: and BT on a few and I think we might 165 00:08:11,627 --> 00:08:12,267 Speaker 2: have won that game. 166 00:08:12,787 --> 00:08:15,307 Speaker 3: Yeah, if your coach tells you to swing from ball one, 167 00:08:15,747 --> 00:08:20,707 Speaker 3: tell them to go jump in the lake because you're 168 00:08:20,747 --> 00:08:22,587 Speaker 3: going to get your eye in first and then you're 169 00:08:22,587 --> 00:08:24,707 Speaker 3: going to blaze away and go nuts. So just tell 170 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:28,067 Speaker 3: them it's not quite mainland cheese. Good things take time, 171 00:08:28,147 --> 00:08:30,547 Speaker 3: But just give me a couple of sighters and then 172 00:08:30,587 --> 00:08:32,747 Speaker 3: I'll do that. I'll go to the game plan of 173 00:08:32,827 --> 00:08:33,627 Speaker 3: swinging wildly. 174 00:08:34,067 --> 00:08:36,267 Speaker 2: Do you think the black Caps do what social cricketers do, 175 00:08:36,307 --> 00:08:39,747 Speaker 2: and if somebody's somebody is messing about and scratching about 176 00:08:39,747 --> 00:08:42,587 Speaker 2: and not getting any runs, they give them the slow handclap. 177 00:08:42,827 --> 00:08:44,227 Speaker 4: Do you think the black Caps do that. 178 00:08:45,427 --> 00:08:47,907 Speaker 3: They've got their own version of it. I'm sure it'll 179 00:08:47,907 --> 00:08:50,307 Speaker 3: be he's solely leading it and he feels like he's 180 00:08:50,347 --> 00:08:53,027 Speaker 3: the guy that would do that kind of thing. But no, 181 00:08:53,187 --> 00:08:56,587 Speaker 3: I think it's awesome that that there. I just like 182 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:59,107 Speaker 3: the balance of our team. I think we've got enough 183 00:08:59,147 --> 00:09:03,587 Speaker 3: heading to scare teams into trouble people. Boomras Yorkers are 184 00:09:03,627 --> 00:09:05,907 Speaker 3: a big concern for me. But hey, you can only 185 00:09:05,947 --> 00:09:09,307 Speaker 3: bolt for for others. So let's see how he goes. 186 00:09:10,067 --> 00:09:12,587 Speaker 2: I'll measure you at two twenty three to make sure 187 00:09:12,627 --> 00:09:13,027 Speaker 2: you're up. 188 00:09:13,947 --> 00:09:16,147 Speaker 3: Thanks, Pineer, look forward to it, mate, FaceTime me as 189 00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:16,467 Speaker 3: you like. 190 00:09:17,067 --> 00:09:19,067 Speaker 2: I don't think I'll do that. You don't want to 191 00:09:19,067 --> 00:09:21,787 Speaker 2: see me at two twenty three. I can assure you 192 00:09:21,827 --> 00:09:22,547 Speaker 2: of that, James. 193 00:09:23,267 --> 00:09:26,427 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 194 00:09:26,547 --> 00:09:29,827 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 195 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:31,467 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.