1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Kilda. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Dave Rennie 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: is the new coach of the All Blacks. The former 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: Chiefs and Wallaby's mentor, will succeed Scott Raiser Robertson and 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: take charge through the end of the twenty twenty seven 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: World Cup. But does he have what it takes to 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: bring about a much needed reset for our national side. 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page ends At Herald's senior sports 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: journalist and rugby correspondent, Liam Napier is with us to 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: unpack the past, present and future of the Man with 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: mana Dave Rennie. First off, Liam, let's start with an 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: easy one. Who is Dave Rennie. 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: Dave's lived a bit of a life. 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: He was a former teacher back in upper Heart days 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: and he was also a publican. So it's pretty rare 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: in the modern sporting age and the rugby sense to 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: have a coach that's from the amateur era who's lived 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: a life outside of rugby. These days, a lot of 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: rugby coaches are former players and make that transition fairly quickly, 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: but they've came through the amateur era through club rugby, 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: coached as sons and then progressed through into the semi 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: professional and professional ranks from there. And Yeah also owned 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: a pub, so dealing with people from all sorts of 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: walks of life certainly helped him in his coaching career. 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: Who else was in the running. 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: Jamie Joseph, so it was pretty much a head to 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 4: head shootout between Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie. Others who 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 4: might have been in the mix, like Joe Schmidts and Verncotta, 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: weren't involved. So it's not uncommon in recent times for 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: it to be pretty much a head to head shooter 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: and in this case that's what transpired. 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: And so what actually led to Rennie's appointment. They went 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: over to Japan to see how he was tracking over 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: their a. 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: It was a pretty thorough process. 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 4: So two members of the five person New Zealand Rugby 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 4: appointment Panel, Interim Chief Executive Steve Lancaster and form Are 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: Blacks hooker Dane Coles, traveled to Japan to visit Dave 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: Rennie at his club. Kobe talked to players see what 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: his coaching environment the rugby team was like, and they 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: also went down to Dunedin and did the same thing 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: with Jamie Joseph at the Hondas, so observing them in 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 4: their coaching meetings and their environments to get a feel 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 4: for what those environments are like, because that was a 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 4: particular breakdown of the last All Black team. The culture 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: and the relationships and the environment was not working. So 48 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 4: they're pretty keen to get that right this time. And 49 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 4: then Dave Rennie traveled from Japan to New Zealand's and 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: went through a rigorous three and a half hour interview 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: with the five person panel and Jamie Joseph did the 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 4: same as well, and that all happened last Tuesday, and 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: then they came to a pretty swift resolution which was 54 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: anointing Dave Rennian that was unanimously approved by the New 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby Board. 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: Do you reckon that culture shift and the promise of 57 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: one is something that really got him across the line 58 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: because he does seem quite aligned to the factor and 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: aware of the fact that there does need to be 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: a bit of a shift in the All. 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: Blacks culture is an interesting word in a sporting sense. 62 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: It's not tangible. 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: Nobody could necessarily describe exactly what that means, But I guess, 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: like in any workplace, it's putting people first and valuing people, 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: createing an environment where you get the best out of people. 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: Sometimes that's the stick and sometimes that's the carrot. But 67 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: it's how you don't shy away from hard conversations, how 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: you cultivate purpose and meaning, particularly within a rugby sense, 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: how you get everyone on the same page from a 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: strategy point of view, the leadership of the team, the 71 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: people that you surround yourself with. And Dave Reenie's got 72 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: a real track record. He's got thirty years of coaching experience, 73 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: he's spent nine years abroad recently, and wherever he's gone 74 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: the feedback from players in particular. 75 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: Is overwhelmingly positive. 76 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: So I think that was a big tick as well 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 4: as his heritage as well. He's the first New Zealand 78 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: coach of Pacifica heritage, and the makeup of the All 79 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: Blacks and rugby in general is increasingly filled with Maldi 80 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: and Pacifica players, so having a deep inherent understanding of 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: how to bring cultures together and how to build a 82 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 4: rugby team was certainly an advantage in Dave Rennie's favor. 83 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: Well, he's kind of been dubbed the man with mana hey, 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: so that does actually make a lot of sense. Who 85 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: are tips to his assistants, who are the most likely 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: to get on board. 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: We did coin the phrase Chiefs Maunner from his time 88 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 4: at the Chiefs when he delivered two titles there, so 89 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: that's where that stems from. In terms of his assistance, 90 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: I think there's going to be some pretty big changes 91 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 4: to Scott Robertson's assistance in the coming weeks. That's still 92 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 4: to play out, but Tarlan Nucky Head coached Neil Barnes 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: is likely to be one of Rennie's leading assistants. He's 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: vastly experienced. He spent time with Dave Rennie at the Chiefs. 95 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 4: He's a real no nonsense s guy. He knows the 96 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 4: line out very well, so he's in line. And then 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: you've got others like Scott former Scotland half back Mike 98 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: Blair who's currently coaching with Rennie in Japan at the moment. 99 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 4: Andrew Strawbridge is a skills coach who spent time with 100 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: Rennie at the Chiefs and also in England. He's been discussed. 101 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: Phil Heay is likely to replace Nick Gill as his 102 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 4: strength and conditioning coach. Jason and Ryan's probably gonna be retained. 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: He's the current full coach, whether it's in that capacity 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 4: or with more of a focus on the scrum. But 105 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 4: some of the other assistants, Scott Hansen, tomoth Ellison and 106 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: Brent Evans, I think they faced pretty nervous weights because 107 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: Rennie's pretty keen to surround himself with people that he 108 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: knows and trusts. But new Zell and Rugby will also 109 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: have a say in their assistance. They've already paid Scott 110 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: Robertson out a pretty hefty fee, and some of those assistants, 111 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: like Jason Ryan and Scott Hansen, are on four year contracts, 112 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: so if they are to be moved on one or. 113 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: More, it could cost the national body more revenue. 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: How important is the entire team around him because a 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: lot of it is put on the shoulders of whoever's 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: coaching the All Blacks and they make the headlines. But 117 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: I suppose it does really matter who he has around 118 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: him and what kind of experience they have. When I 119 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: saw the name Barnes, I thought maybe maybe he's the 120 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: stick and ready might be the carrot. It's a good pairing. 121 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: I think there's probably a bit of truth to that. 122 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: Neil Barnes doesn't suffer fools. You'll you between the eyes 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: and tell you exactly what he thinks. And sometimes you 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: need those people in any environments, particularly one in a 125 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: combative sports such as rugby. But the team is very 126 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: important because in a rugby sense, increasingly the head coach 127 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: is a bit like a helicopter sits over the top 128 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: and the assistants actually do a lot of the on 129 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: ground coaching. They deliver a lot of the messaging. They 130 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: they are observing, they're on the grass and they are 131 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: dealing with the players on a day to day basis, 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: so and they need to be both technically, technically technically 133 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: and have strong communication skills. So it's very important who 134 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: you surround yourself with, and I think that was probably 135 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: one issue would've got Robinson's coaching team, their lack of 136 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: international experience and their ability to deliver messages and feedback 137 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: to the head coach as well. So it's going to 138 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: be very interesting to see that the team that here 139 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: points and that hair symbols because it does have a 140 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: massive bearing on the success of anything. 141 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six. It's cheaping. It's a big year. When 142 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: you look ahead at the schedule, what excites you most 143 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: about it? 144 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to look at the first test, 145 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, you can't look too far beyond that. So 146 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: it's held of a lot of work to be done, 147 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: some of it remotely over the next few months and 148 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: make sure we hit the ground running against France. But 149 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: tour to South Africa is exciting and well aware how 150 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: tough it'll be, but you know we've got to captured 151 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: audience for six weeks forty odd players as as a 152 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: real chance to drive our culture and detailed within our 153 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: game model, so you know, look forward to that. 154 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: Now. I was reading up on a lot of your coverage, Lamb, 155 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: and I noticed that you actually had picked Dave Rennie 156 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: as the front man. What was the end of January? 157 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: Did you know something that we didn't or are you 158 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: just really good at your job? 159 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 4: It was more of an opinion. I didn't know at 160 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: that point that he would definitely get the job. I'd 161 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: just I guess, assist the two candidates and had a 162 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: bit of background information about how they've gone and the 163 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: expertise and the experience, and felt that Dave Rennie was 164 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: certainly the standout candidate, so look New Zealand Rugby did 165 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 4: thorough research and came to their own conclusions. We don't 166 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: always agree, but on this occasion we did come up 167 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 4: with the same choice. 168 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: So when his first game comes around as coach, you're 169 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: getting ready, you're watching it live. What's one of the 170 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: first things you are going to be looking out for 171 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: as a spectator. 172 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 4: I don't know if you'll see definitive change from the off, 173 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: but it was interesting in Dave Rennie's first press corrence 174 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: he came out and said that all players will have 175 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: to earn their place from a selection point of view, 176 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: and that he has no loyalty. So we could actually 177 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: see quite significant change to that squad, and then you 178 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: would see a change in personnel and style. But I 179 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: think from the last regime we were quite uncertain about 180 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 4: how the All Blacks wanted to play. 181 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: That wasn't evident. 182 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: So I think Dave Rennie will have a clear identity 183 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: and style and the way he wants to play. So 184 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: I think traditionally and looking back through teams that Rennie 185 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 4: has coached, that involves a real sharp focus on the 186 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: breakdown and the carry and collisions and then he's not 187 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: afraid to attack, to run the ball from deep, to 188 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: have a go where rugby, particularly in the international scene 189 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: and recent times, has been dominated a lot by kicking, 190 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 4: so he could bring a real different flavor to that approach. 191 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: And in that presser as well, what do you make 192 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: of the fact that he chucked a Retallic's name out there. 193 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a bit of a curve ball. 194 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: It's interesting because the New Zella Rugby chairman was standing 195 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: right there and I'm not sure he expected those comments either. 196 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: It was a topic selecting from offshore. All Blacks currently 197 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: have to be based in New Zealand to be selected 198 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 4: for the All Blacks. It's been a hot topic, something 199 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: that hasn't gone away. But Scott Robinson was certainly told 200 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: that he couldn't select the likes. 201 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: Of Richie m Wonga from offshore. 202 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: And then in his first press currents David and he says, Wow, 203 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: I'd love to select Brody Rattallik. I don't think that's 204 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: a fight he's going to win, but who knows, maybe 205 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: he can get him back home. He's currently coaching Brody 206 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: in Kobe and Retallic's a top triscore in Japanese rugby. 207 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: He's still. 208 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: Looks as good as he ever did, so I think 209 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 4: he would certainly do a job for the All Blacks, 210 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: But Renny might need to convince them to come home 211 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: for one year. 212 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: And have a crack at the World Cup to get 213 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: that over the line. 214 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll be pretty hard convincing as well. I 215 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: heard some comments from him in regards to how the 216 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: schedule is just so much kinder on his body over 217 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: in Japan. Well, like they've got four weeks on or something, 218 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks off or something like that, and 219 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: he is getting on as well. So it does all 220 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: depend how much he does want to contribute to another 221 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: World carfe. 222 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Japanese. You're right, the Japanese competition 223 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: certainly prolongs careers. It's not quite as physical and combative. 224 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: It has changed in recent years with a lot of 225 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 4: South Africans and Kiwis and Aussies and UK players going there, 226 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: but it's widely accept that it's not as physical as 227 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 4: other competitions, which does allow aging athletes to prolong their 228 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 4: careers to earn good money, and so that's why it's 229 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: very attractive. 230 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: But Rettelic still looks in great shape. 231 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: He's still striding out, still a big human, So I 232 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 4: think if Rennie can have his way, maybe he can 233 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 4: bring him home. 234 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: So there's about. 235 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: Fifteen months ish to the World Cap. How confident are 236 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: you that the All Blacks will be able will be 237 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: up to scratch by then? I suppose it's. 238 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: A great unknown. 239 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: And even if they are up to scratch on a 240 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: collision course with back to back world champions, the spring 241 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: box in a quarter final showdown highly likely, So it's 242 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 4: not going to be easy even the lead into Dave. 243 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: Rennie's first game is only four months away, and in 244 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: that time he's still going to be coaching another team, 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 4: so there's a lot on his plates. Look, I think 246 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: he will bring that team together. I think he will 247 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 4: improve them, but it's a big ars to go win 248 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: a regular World Cup. I think Australian conditions could suit 249 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: the All Blacks. 250 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: They'll know them well. 251 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 4: They've Reny coached in Australia, so it would be quite 252 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: a furious tale story for him to go back over 253 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: to a country where he was sacked as well of 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: his coach and deliver success with the All Blacks. But 255 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: in sports fairy tales don't always come to either, so 256 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: it's a tough ask. But he's taken the ball by 257 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: the horns and he set he's up for the challenge 258 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: and I'm sure he'll make a good fist of it. 259 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: There is an insurmountable amount of pressure on him, but 260 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: do you reckon the New Zealand public will be forgiving 261 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: if he doesn't say come back with a cup. 262 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: I think the New Zealand sporting public have matured over time, 263 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: but those expectations, the scrutiny is certainly still there. You know, 264 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: if you think about the world in which we live 265 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: of social media, a one can say anything at any time. 266 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 4: And the All Blacks are pride themselves on being a 267 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: world class, elite team both on the field and also 268 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: from a commercial perspective. They sell themselves as being one 269 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: of the world's leading sports brands and you can't do 270 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: that if you're not winning on the field. 271 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: So it's not just external pressure from the public. 272 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 4: It's both internal from New Zealand Rugby and the need 273 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: to drive huge revenue. So the All Blacks are the 274 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: apex of that and that's where a lot of that 275 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: pressure comes from. So Dave Rennie has spent the bulk 276 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: of his life in New Zealand. He's well aware of 277 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: those expectations. He arrives with eyes wide open and he 278 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: will certainly have a goal of going to Australia and 279 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: winning that World Cup, but it's. 280 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: Not going to be easy. 281 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he definitely understands the concept of the All 282 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Blacks being an integral part of New Zealand's entire identity. 283 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: It was something that I realized very quick when I 284 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: moved to this country that you do not say anything 285 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: bad about the All Blacks. They are your team and 286 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: they are treated as well as gods. Do you think 287 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: that that slipped in recent years with their performance on 288 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: the world stage. Do we need to get back to 289 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: having them ingrained in our culture more? 290 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: I think New Zealand culture has evolved. 291 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: It's you know, there's so much choice in society, whether 292 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: it be sporting or socially, so rugby's probably not quite 293 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: as popular or at the forefront of people's minds as 294 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: it used to be. But I think when there's a 295 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 4: major event on be at a Rugby World Cup or 296 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 4: a change of All Black coach, it shoots to the 297 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 4: front of every news website or whatever it may be. 298 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: And it's often said that the All Blacks coach has 299 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: as much scrutiny or pretty close to the you know, 300 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: being the Prime Minister, and I think that's true. So 301 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: Dave's come through the ranks coach in Wellington, one or 302 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 4: two the chiefs, he coached the New Zealan under twenties. 303 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: He's well aware of all those things. So he's arriving knowing. 304 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: What to expect. 305 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 4: But there's probably a different complexion to living that day 306 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: to day and I think starting well will help you 307 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 4: if you if he gets in a bit of a rut, 308 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: if you start to lose, things can start to spiral weebits. 309 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: But I think he's someone that's also pretty sure of himself. 310 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 4: He's had many different experiences, so he's got a good 311 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: backbone and I think you'll handle all that role. 312 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Liam, no worries anytime. 313 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. 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