1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:00,679 Speaker 1: Together. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: We are still waiting for the pay equity law to 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: be passed under urgency. Thought it would have happened by now, 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: but the opposition is dragging it out in Parliament. One 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: of the affected groups is midwives and New Zealand College 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: of Midwives Chief Executive Allison Edia. 7 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Is with us. 8 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: Now, Hey Allison, hi there, how are you? I'm very well? 9 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Thank you? 10 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Now? 11 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking that midwives are at various 12 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: stages with us? Some will be affected but some will not. 13 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. We have had pay group claim for 14 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: employed midwives that the Health New Zealand employed ones. It 15 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: was concluded some time ago, so that's been through the 16 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: process and as far as we understand, that's a done deal, 17 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: but you know, we don't know for sure until, as 18 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: you say, the legislation hasn't been passed. There are some 19 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: other midwives affected, are much the non Health New Zealand 20 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: employed ones, much much smaller in number. But Maris the 21 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Midwives Union is the best point of contact to really 22 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: understand that what it's meant for that work force. We 23 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: have advocacy in a role for the self employed midwives. 24 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: So there are still publicly undered fully public defunded service, 25 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: but there's self employed to tax purposes, and we've had 26 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: to take a completely different route. We've had to go 27 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: through the High Court and we're waiting for their action 28 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: to be decided by the judge. But we we're pretty 29 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: confident that this change in legislation won't impact that group 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: of midwives. 31 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Who are what's the comparator for the midwives who are 32 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: the midwives comparing themselves to. 33 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Ah, Well, you see that's but I couldn't speak on 34 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: behalf of the union. They would need to talk to 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: you about for the employed midwives that we've had to 36 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: do some comparative work for our case, and we have 37 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: used health sector workers as are comparators all the time. 38 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: We haven't gone outside. We've used employed news practitioners. Employed 39 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: this is for self employed caseloading midwives. So they're the 40 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: ones that we're gone call twenty four seven looking after 41 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: a woman in the community, getting up in the middle 42 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: of the night, you know, all of that, providing contientive care. 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: So it's a really specialized job. There's a lot of 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: responsibility and they have to manage all their own needs 45 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: and business needs, you know, professional needs because it's a 46 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: self employed model. So we've looked at news practitioners, we've 47 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: looked at employed caseloading midwives who do the same job 48 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: that might be employed by an organization. And we've also 49 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: used employed GPS. So we did a kind of a 50 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: comparator across. Because no one's perfect. That's and that's the 51 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: issue that this government's struggling with. It's really difficult to 52 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: find it. 53 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: Practitioners, I mean, news practices and GPS don't feel like outrageous. 54 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like the librarians trying to compare 55 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: themselves to engineers, like that's that's no. 56 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: No, we and I think you know we but yeah, 57 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't comment on the employed midwives process. Fordwives. 58 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: Some some midwives are comparing themselves to plumbers. Have you 59 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: heard that? 60 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard that one. No, No, I couldn't. 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: That's not been my experience. 63 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Because I would I would have argued that a plumber 64 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: should be paid less than a midwife. 65 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: What about you, well, I mean I think this is 66 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: the thing that Yeah, it's just that value of women's 67 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: work stuff, you know, that's what this is all about 68 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: now at the. 69 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: End of the day. Okay, So so if if the 70 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: claim that you are involved in is successful, how much 71 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: does it raise the pay of midwives by a. 72 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Well, look, we have to wait for the court to 73 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: decide that. What you know, we don't think we've reached 74 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: fair and reasonable pay. We think we've still got somewhere 75 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: to go from the sigas we've presented. But it's you know, 76 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't put a cigar onte for you at this point. Sorry, Okay, 77 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: with confidence. 78 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Allison, thanks very much, really appreciate Alison Eddie, New 79 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: Zealand College of Midwives Chief Executive. I mean, midwives and 80 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: plumbers both get called out at weird hours, both go 81 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: to your house, both deal with lots of water, but 82 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: one of them is dealing with life and death. So 83 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: that's definitely a pay rise, right there, isn't it? For 84 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news Talks. 85 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 86 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio.