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Speaker 2: On the Huddle tonight, Jack Tame, host of Q and

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Speaker 2: A on Saturday mornings here on News Talk ZB Jack,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Our Jordan Williams is as well from the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 3: Hey Jordan, hallo you too.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with the mix skimming sentence. So nine months

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Speaker 2: home detention, Jordan, did you expect more?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did. I can't believe it, you know, ten

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Speaker 3: years of or it admitted ten years of offending. Of course,

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Speaker 3: being it looks like the judges got to eighteen months

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Speaker 3: in prisonment because that's less than two years. The judge

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Speaker 3: has a discretion to make that home detention, and by

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Speaker 3: doing that, the sentence is then halved because if you

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Speaker 3: are sentenced to eighteen months in prison, you're automatically out

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Speaker 3: in half the time. So when they convert it to

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Speaker 3: home detention, it is halved. I think that most of

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Speaker 3: these Islanders would be shocked how lenient our sentences are

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Speaker 3: in the on his favor, it's a first offense, but

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Speaker 3: I'd argue someone in such a position of power and

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Speaker 3: authority what a perfect example to be made, an example

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Speaker 3: of you know what you know, ten years of awful,

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Speaker 3: awful Kenny Pawn and bast reality and what's the punishment?

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Speaker 3: Go home and watch Netflix. I think it's disgusting, Jack, A.

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Speaker 2: Lot of you can imagine what people are saying on

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Speaker 2: the text machine, Jack, And the fact that here was

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Speaker 2: a police officer, they say, is kind of a reason

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Speaker 2: to not put you know, he would be a target

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Speaker 2: if you put him in prison.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, there are mechanisms in prison that can

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Speaker 4: provide additional protection to inmates. I was personally very surprised,

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Speaker 4: but I had just I think, going into today, I

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Speaker 4: was expecting a custodial sentence and thought that would be that,

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Speaker 4: and that obviously wasn't the case. But I mean, I

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Speaker 4: suppose the one the one I've got a nine months

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Speaker 4: old who screaming, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I suppose the one.

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Speaker 4: Countermeasure I would say is that his reputation is destroyed,

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Speaker 4: his career is destroyed, as prospects of future employment are destroyed.

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Speaker 4: He probably feels like he can't be seen in public.

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Speaker 4: And I suppose those are all kind of, you know, considerations.

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Speaker 3: For the judge in this case. As well.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams and Jack Tam on the Huddle tonight. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back to talk about the road Cone hotline that's

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Speaker 2: now dead in the water.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen to six. Welcome back, Jack Tam and Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: on the Huddle tonight. Jordan, I don't imagine. Well, actually,

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Speaker 2: do you agree with Labor that this road cone hotline

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Speaker 2: thing was a total waste of money?

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Speaker 3: I really hope Nichola Willis isn't listening, but yes, I

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Speaker 3: totally agree with Labor. It was a total waste of money.

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Speaker 3: Did either of you guys, have either of you used it? No? No,

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Speaker 3: if Jack, have you used it? I did use it

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Speaker 3: because I'm one of these people that are triggered by times.

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Speaker 3: There was a cone keeping me up that night. It

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Speaker 3: was looking at me down from the end of my driveway.

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Speaker 3: So I got up in the night to use the

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Speaker 3: twenty four hour home Cone hotline. But I found it's

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Speaker 3: not actually a hotline, it's not twenty four hours. It's

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Speaker 3: just nothing but a web form, totally useless. So I

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Speaker 3: found the better way. If you're one of those people

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Speaker 3: worried is just call your local MP. So I just

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Speaker 3: called Brook and tell her about the Cones because you

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Speaker 3: know that's what we were told we were getting.

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Speaker 2: Did you think about moving it yourself?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, the thing is with Cones is that one

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Speaker 3: of those I mean, just talk to the Auckland Mirror.

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Speaker 3: It's emotionally triggering. Ryan. You know, you shouldn't just joke

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Speaker 3: about these sorts of things. But look, I just just

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Speaker 3: give Brook a call, you know, two seven three zero

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Speaker 2: Give That's not it, that's not an actual number, right, No,

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Speaker 2: of course, okay, Jack, do you think because the problem

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Speaker 2: with the road Cones that I think the act Party

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Speaker 2: over the streets. And so you give people a hot line,

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Speaker 2: a button depress going relieve your stresses.

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Speaker 3: It was a form, not a hotline whatever it was now.

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Speaker 4: But at what costs? I mean for the latest numbers

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Speaker 4: these were it up until September it had cost us

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Speaker 4: almost one hundred and fifty thousand dollars as taxpayers. So

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Speaker 4: if you break it down per complaint, Labor reckons it's

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Speaker 4: Greens reckons it's more than seven hundred dollars per road

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Speaker 4: just think it's hard to seriously make an argument that

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Speaker 4: And honestly, when it was first introduced, the sense I

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Speaker 4: were just trying to have a piece of that.

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Speaker 3: He was he was on the hot line all day

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Speaker 3: and night. Yeah, one hundred fare.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, but I guess the only point you

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Speaker 2: then just because they're compliant, does that mean that there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to see here? Or does that mean that the

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Speaker 2: rules are too stringent and that we shouldn't be having

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that would be well, that's

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Speaker 3: exactly the issue. Brook has otherwise been an outstanding minister.

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Speaker 3: But the real issue is our health and safety laws

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Speaker 3: have this you've got to take as a personal liability

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Speaker 3: on directors. You've got to take all practicable steps, which

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Speaker 3: the courts have interpreted as the industry standard, meaning that

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Speaker 3: you know, the fiftyth percentile. So what that means is

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Speaker 3: that everyone is striving to be higher than average in

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Speaker 3: order to be compliant with the law. So when you

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Speaker 3: thing under the law is just slapped down as many

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Speaker 3: taking all practicable steps to be say exactly that was

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Speaker 3: the test that needed to be fixed. Not with the

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Speaker 3: greatest respect to my local MP. This gimmick.

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Speaker 2: Jack Susie Wiles the story in Vanity Fair, how can

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Speaker 2: you have like, who do you believe? She says, no, Look,

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Speaker 2: everything was taken out of context and if you read

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Speaker 2: not necessarily Vanity Fear, but the reporting of it has

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Speaker 2: has kind of tipped it on its head a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree.

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Speaker 4: I look, I thought, okay, what could the context possibly

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Speaker 4: be for these quotes? And I'm not sure that the

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Speaker 4: detail she's given around them fundamentally changes the sensational nature

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Speaker 4: of what she said. I mean, I think what she

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Speaker 4: said is pretty extraordinary, to be honest, and I'm surprised

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Speaker 4: for an interview with an outfit like Vanity Fear making,

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Speaker 4: you know, regardless of the context, making comments where she

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Speaker 4: I mean, it seems like the epitome of naivity to me.

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Speaker 4: That that being said, you know, I actually kind of

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Speaker 4: understand the point she's making with the with the alcoholics personality,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know how she intended it to be

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Speaker 4: quite as quite as critical as it as it's come off.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I just I just can't imagine how you're

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Speaker 4: going into into an interview with Nity Fear say something

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Speaker 4: like that and then not expected to spread around the world.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she did. Maybe it's all a plot, you know,

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Speaker 2: to go after the fourth of State. Jordan, did you

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Speaker 2: see the comments that she made? What did you make?

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Speaker 3: Though? It was very odd, especially at some sort of level,

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Speaker 3: that there wasn't a third party or press secretary or

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Speaker 3: something recording. You know, the current White House is very

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Speaker 3: selective on who they have in that press pool and

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Speaker 3: who they speak to, and really well they toss people

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Speaker 3: out if you are seen to be not just speaking

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Speaker 3: out of turn, but speaking to the wrong people. So

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Speaker 3: it is a little bit of a head scratcher, but

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Speaker 3: it's why it's always why live radio is best, because

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Speaker 3: then it's hard for you know, those those journalists in

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Speaker 3: print to misinterpret or be sneaky with what you've said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nd Per, it can always be chopped up online later,

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Speaker 2: but that's another issue. Hey, just before we go, what's

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Speaker 2: happened with Ruth Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Wise? She pulled out of this debate. I got sick

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Speaker 3: of the sick of being jerked round the you know,

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Speaker 3: it turns out the big challenge, Just be clear, the

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Speaker 3: big challenge was laid down by Nichola willis old about

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Speaker 3: you any time anywhere, But apparently it was only where

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Speaker 3: she wanted, the time she wanted, and with the moderator

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Speaker 3: she wanted. And actually it's now become clear what the

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Speaker 3: whole thing of going after Ruth and making the frankly

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Speaker 3: disgraceful comments about you know, training in human misery and

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Speaker 3: trampling on the history of the National Party and Ruth's

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Speaker 3: excellent legacy and economic growth, and that soon followed with

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Speaker 3: actually just a distraction to those diabolical numbers yesterday. And

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Speaker 3: so Ruth right, Andy said, look three, here's three good offers,

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Speaker 3: one which involved you know, your good show and you

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Speaker 3: hosting it, and instead Nichola Willis's she's out there booking

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Speaker 3: her own rooms, booking this, insisting on that. And actually

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Speaker 3: what she has said publicly did not match what or

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Speaker 3: her offices, what her office was saying behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: as as you know, so as you can tell, a

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Speaker 3: little bit irritated, but I.

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Speaker 2: Can hear that as much as you were about the

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Speaker 2: road coming previous week.

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Speaker 3: The previous week the issue was school lunches, and we've

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Speaker 3: now had eleven days of talking about far more important matters,

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Speaker 3: and that is the fiscals of New zeal Jack.

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Speaker 2: Did you like the fudge?

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Speaker 4: I did like the fudge yep, and and it was

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Speaker 4: I've got to say it was very professionally packed.

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Speaker 3: It was so it was do a great job.

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Speaker 4: Who did that?

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Speaker 2: Was it not a proper food company?

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Speaker 3: Were the proper food company do it? But we did.

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Speaker 3: We did repack some of the something like not the

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Speaker 3: actual fuds, but the boxers were in the boxes were

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Speaker 3: repacked and it was all hands on deck. Okay, very good.

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Speaker 3: I lost track how.

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Speaker 2: Many days ago it was Jordan Williams, dictator on the huddle.

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