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Speaker 1: Startup for Politics Wednesday, and Jenny Anderson's with us along

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Speaker 1: with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to both of you. Good morning, Mike, morning, Jinny,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Jenny.

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Speaker 2: We could do a you could do it.

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Speaker 3: You could do a remix out of context.

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Speaker 1: That's actually but that's most of my show Most Mornings actually.

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Speaker 4: As an album titled exactly.

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Speaker 1: Out of Context by Mike Hosking. Are you aware of

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Speaker 1: what we're going to start with this morning, Jinny?

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Speaker 4: I have been eluded?

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So I got the letter Monday morning from Wayne,

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Speaker 1: and Wayne writes to me. He goes, Hi, Mike, Wayne,

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Speaker 1: do you know Wayne?

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Speaker 4: No, but I might find out.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Were you at the Wellington Business Excellence Awards last

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Speaker 1: Friday night? Yes, I was, good night had by all.

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Speaker 5: It was excellent actually, like the caliber of those businesses

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Speaker 5: were amazing, some really interesting stuff going on.

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Speaker 4: I can talk for that for a while.

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Speaker 5: But Ingle or will will Yarans are putting goats on

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Speaker 5: farms which eat the weeds and they make money for

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Speaker 5: the farmers, like real smart.

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Speaker 1: Goats on farms. I think they've been doing that for

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Speaker 1: a while. To be honest.

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Speaker 4: We've got deals. Willys have got deals with foreign buyers

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Speaker 4: on or wall that's doing really well, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's let's just cut to it. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: used to asking the hard questions. Jinny, did you did

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Speaker 1: you or did you not reach over?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Here he goes, he's a fat finger mark if you

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Speaker 1: put yourself on.

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Speaker 4: He's doing it to help me. Look at that. Mark's

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Speaker 4: done something good.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, someone someone someone tried to call me.

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Speaker 2: Was that? Was that?

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Speaker 1: It was laxo counting the numbers?

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Speaker 3: Obviously obviously someone that doesn't listen to the hosting show

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Speaker 3: that will be a.

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Speaker 1: Member of the labor part. Sorry, where did you or

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Speaker 1: did you not reach over the table while Chris Bushop

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Speaker 1: was away and swap your chicken for beef?

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Speaker 5: I did, and it was delicious and I enjoyed it

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Speaker 5: with a good red wine.

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Speaker 1: Does she sweat with bush You're a dinner.

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Speaker 5: A bit more tight, it's a little bit more tired.

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Speaker 5: I will take responsibility because I'm good like that.

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Speaker 4: On meal drop.

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Speaker 5: He kind of swapped with someone if you don't want it,

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Speaker 5: And he'd been away for quite a long time. It

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Speaker 5: was getting cold. It was a good cut of meat,

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Speaker 5: looking like it might go waste. So and and then

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Speaker 5: by all accounts, he looked like he really enjoyed the chicken,

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Speaker 5: so like everyone was a winner.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, that's well, that's dodgy.

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Speaker 3: Other have to watch my food and coffee.

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Speaker 1: Well, the difficulty is that, unfortunately this is on me.

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Speaker 1: I had Bushop earlier on on the program, and of

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Speaker 1: course the question that needed to be asked, did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy the chicken? And I completely chick anyway, Good on you, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the thing, Thank you for owning up

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Speaker 1: to that. Now other matters, regional councils, briefly, very briefly,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone really cares. Will you Ginny

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Speaker 1: live with that? Broadly speaking as an idea, as does

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Speaker 1: it strike you as problematic?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's trying to tackle the same problem that we

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Speaker 5: were doing, which is, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: you've got small areas with a rating base that won't

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Speaker 5: support the infrastructure that they need. So they're coming at

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Speaker 5: it from a different way, but it's essentially the same

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Speaker 5: approach to the same issue we have with three orders,

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Speaker 5: with all of those issues. So this is a longer route,

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Speaker 5: probably a bit less bumpy, but it has actually still

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Speaker 5: got some big issues. About how it's actually going to

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Speaker 5: work in practice, so we're interested to see how it goes.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, we all agree that there

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Speaker 5: does need to be some work in reorganizing local government.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit unfair to do it

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Speaker 5: immediately after a local government election. A lot of those

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Speaker 5: people who did go to the polls didn't realize that

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Speaker 5: when the wading for the mayor, they were going to

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Speaker 5: have more power than what they thought. And those regional

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Speaker 5: councilors who potentially won't even a job, so they probably

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Speaker 5: could have done that out of the sake of good

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Speaker 5: democracy and good processes to have that on the table

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Speaker 5: before people went to vote.

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Speaker 1: Would you defend that? Make Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I've been pushing for this because as Emergency Management Minister,

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Speaker 3: I've been to nineteen local states of emergency around the

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Speaker 3: country in the last two years and I've seen what

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Speaker 3: an extra layer of governance can create real problems, issues

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Speaker 3: and confusion, and we don't need that when you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with emergencies. And a good example is war where the

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Speaker 3: river mouth was mismanaged and as a result we had

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of houses that were flooded that probably

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Speaker 3: didn't need to be and we had to put a

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Speaker 3: crowd manager in there because the relationship between the district

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Speaker 3: council and the regional Council was under severe pressure.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to throw any one of the bus.

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Speaker 3: I've had a few examples like that around the country

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Speaker 3: in relation to another layer of governance.

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Speaker 1: That I don't think we need. So I'm a big

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Speaker 1: supporter Jinny. What's happened to poor old greg O Connor?

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Speaker 1: How come he got squeezed? What happened there?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's a selection process, so good candidates went up.

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Speaker 5: There are a few there and the selections taking place,

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Speaker 5: So I think he's taking stock of what he's going

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Speaker 5: to do next and decide whether he or Heilstein.

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Speaker 4: On the list.

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Speaker 1: What would you do? Would you take it personally? If

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Speaker 1: you got de selected from your seat.

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Speaker 5: It's always a tough process going through a selection process.

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Speaker 5: Some of those internal ones can be some of the

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Speaker 5: toughest I've actually been through, to be honest. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's not an easy one because you've got to put

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Speaker 5: yourself out there and amongst you, you know your colleagues,

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Speaker 5: and then deal with the outcome and hold your head up.

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Speaker 4: But he seems good he seems like he's doing bit.

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Speaker 1: Low key on him. Does no one like him? Is

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Speaker 1: he good guy?

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Speaker 4: He's a good guy.

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Speaker 5: He's a hard worker and he's been really good as

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Speaker 5: Deputy speaker.

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Speaker 4: No one marks with Greg O'Connor. When he's in a chair,

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Speaker 4: you don't.

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Speaker 5: You don't often seem at question time, but times in

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Speaker 5: the house he's he's really decisive. I think his police

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Speaker 5: skills come in quite well making a call and stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know him well, I do know very well, and

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Speaker 6: I've got an enormous respect from me. He was the

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Speaker 6: president of the Association for a long time. He had

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Speaker 6: he's had a policing career should be very proud of,

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Speaker 6: and which involve the undercover program as well. It's a

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Speaker 6: complete mystery to me. While they had a guy like

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Speaker 6: Williams and his police minister. So I think the load

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Speaker 6: buddy completely under your loss.

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Speaker 1: The Renny guy junny. I mean, I know this isn't

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Speaker 1: your problem, but I mean, why why are you need

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Speaker 1: another unionist? Goodness sake.

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Speaker 4: He's also an economist. He's actually pretty smart.

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Speaker 5: He's been really helpful in understanding things like holes and

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Speaker 5: National's budget, like going through line by line and understanding

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Speaker 5: where things are at. So he'll be a big guest

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Speaker 5: set to the team for looking at budget documents and

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Speaker 5: really understanding where people are hidden money and when you're

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Speaker 5: in opposition, I'm doing that now for a scrutiny week.

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Speaker 5: You've got a line by line look with a budget documents,

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Speaker 5: you don't you do because they have a mess of that.

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Speaker 5: They'll put things forward and say that adds up. It

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Speaker 5: is we know with Paul Goldsmith some things don't add

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Speaker 5: up and the public need.

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Speaker 1: To know that is what would your advice Mark bea

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Speaker 1: to Michael would because I find this weird. He goes

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Speaker 1: away in some disgrace and then he decides to reheat

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Speaker 1: himself for another crack. Is politics one of those things

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Speaker 1: you can't shake well.

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Speaker 6: Some people just can't stay away from it. It's like

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Speaker 6: institutionalized in the areas. But my advice to him would

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Speaker 6: be that carl have got the outstanding MPDIA now and

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Speaker 6: Carlos Chung, Carlos is everywhere. He works really hard for

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Speaker 6: his electorate and he'll put his credentials forward again and

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Speaker 6: I'm becking him.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct? In saying Jinny that Michael would have

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Speaker 1: to get selection for his seat, his old seat. Is

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Speaker 1: that writer? Is that a done deal?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 5: That's that's in every case, and there's always a process

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Speaker 5: where everyone says who's in and you put your hand up,

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Speaker 5: and if there's more than one, then he's a contested selection.

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Speaker 5: And I think with Michaels there was no other candidate,

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Speaker 5: so he was the only.

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Speaker 1: So he's already been selected. There's no other candidate. Was

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Speaker 1: there no the candidate? Because Michael did a deal somewhere

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Speaker 1: with somebody, who goes if I stand or be no

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Speaker 1: the candidate? Is that how that works?

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm not up on the ground in Mount Roskill

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Speaker 5: understanding the intricacies, but from what I understand, he was

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Speaker 5: of him is to be everywhere more so than Carlos

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Speaker 5: and to win that seat in order to get I.

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Speaker 2: Do that, that's possible.

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Speaker 1: You reckon, you got, you got, you got roscill sign up?

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Speaker 1: Have you market? You're calling this one early?

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Speaker 6: With Carlos, he is everywhere that guys, just I've been

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Speaker 6: really impressed with him as a local inpeak on the

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Speaker 6: emergency management side of his right across that.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I've been really impressible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you cook steak given your predilection towards beef, Jenny, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can tell. Do you cook it on a sandwich maker?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, you know the Pauling Hanson story. She cooked

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Speaker 1: it on a sandwich maker.

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Speaker 4: It's awful. She can't. It's terrible theory about this.

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Speaker 2: I have a theory about this.

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Speaker 6: And actually, to be honest, when you when you think

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Speaker 6: about it's obviously that Sam has got space issues in

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Speaker 6: his apartment, right, so get rid.

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Speaker 2: Of the barbecue. You know how much space a barbecue takes.

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Speaker 6: Correct, put a toasty out there and you can see

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Speaker 6: me on the other his mates, and he can toast

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Speaker 6: it on the toasty.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna say, rupe.

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Speaker 1: I can't sign it takes. I've got another theory on this, Okay.

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Speaker 6: I reckon that if when you're really this is the

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Speaker 6: same for all of us, when you're really really hungry,

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Speaker 6: Like if I'm really really.

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Speaker 2: Hungry, I want to eat a Brussels sprout, right, if

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Speaker 2: I'm really hungry, If I'm not hungry.

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Speaker 6: If I'm not hungry, I'm giving the Brussels spirit the

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Speaker 6: cold shit shoulder. So it all comes down to how

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Speaker 6: hungry you are.

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Speaker 4: A great life role.

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Speaker 1: It is a great life rule. I thoroughly enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you guys. We'll see you next week,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell and Ginny Anderson.

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