1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from newstalk ZB. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:14,987 Speaker 2: What a weekend of sport. It's been on both sides 4 00:00:15,027 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 2: of the Tasman lost to chat about and well when 5 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:20,227 Speaker 2: I want to chat sport and normally just ring one number. 6 00:00:20,827 --> 00:00:23,667 Speaker 2: Sometimes he answers, sometimes he doesn't, but he's here today. 7 00:00:23,747 --> 00:00:25,067 Speaker 2: James McConney, Hello, mate. 8 00:00:25,787 --> 00:00:27,467 Speaker 3: You know Pony always here for your mates. 9 00:00:28,027 --> 00:00:31,307 Speaker 2: It's good to hear all blacks. Let's start there. What 10 00:00:31,347 --> 00:00:32,347 Speaker 2: did you make of it last night? 11 00:00:33,307 --> 00:00:36,147 Speaker 3: Well, it felt like a coach's game to me, you know, 12 00:00:36,307 --> 00:00:39,547 Speaker 3: making the changes, putting things in place and watching them 13 00:00:39,547 --> 00:00:42,467 Speaker 3: come to fruition. But I'd like to highlight four players, 14 00:00:42,507 --> 00:00:46,547 Speaker 3: if I may, Pony, please, Let's start off with Boden Barrett, 15 00:00:46,907 --> 00:00:50,827 Speaker 3: who looked great at number ten, running the cutter, kicking well, 16 00:00:50,947 --> 00:00:54,747 Speaker 3: tackling Well's passing game was on point. But I liked 17 00:00:54,747 --> 00:00:57,387 Speaker 3: it even more when David McKenzie was on the field. 18 00:00:57,467 --> 00:01:00,507 Speaker 3: So I'm only a double pivot guy if both those 19 00:01:00,547 --> 00:01:03,707 Speaker 3: pivots can run like the wind. Okay, but all right, 20 00:01:03,987 --> 00:01:05,907 Speaker 3: I thought Boden was great yourself. 21 00:01:05,907 --> 00:01:08,067 Speaker 2: Yes, and enjoyed his steady hand. 22 00:01:08,107 --> 00:01:12,387 Speaker 3: I did, yeah, and look, Richie Moonger might return, you know, 23 00:01:12,427 --> 00:01:14,827 Speaker 3: Harry Godfrey might emerge as a great team soon. He 24 00:01:14,867 --> 00:01:18,107 Speaker 3: looks the goods doesn't even though he's playing fullback. But 25 00:01:18,147 --> 00:01:20,707 Speaker 3: for now we've got two great options. So I was 26 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:23,507 Speaker 3: just happy for Boden the actually happy for Dmac to 27 00:01:23,547 --> 00:01:26,227 Speaker 3: come on and set up that nice try for Caleb. 28 00:01:26,307 --> 00:01:29,387 Speaker 3: So that was good. The next one, Wallace a TT 29 00:01:29,667 --> 00:01:37,867 Speaker 3: I thought was mat unreal. It just showing his Test class, 30 00:01:37,907 --> 00:01:40,667 Speaker 3: but also the footwork and offloads, and I think i've 31 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:44,467 Speaker 3: seen a big loose forward with those dancing feet. You know, 32 00:01:44,587 --> 00:01:46,707 Speaker 3: maybe Ardie, but he's smaller, right, This is like a 33 00:01:46,707 --> 00:01:49,907 Speaker 3: big unit up there. Just he looks like he's going 34 00:01:49,947 --> 00:01:52,827 Speaker 3: to have a long and distinguished Test career. So he 35 00:01:53,267 --> 00:01:54,227 Speaker 3: was best in showing for me. 36 00:01:54,787 --> 00:01:58,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently the league scouts are already on to 37 00:01:58,187 --> 00:02:01,787 Speaker 2: him and you can see why. So yeah, I think 38 00:02:01,827 --> 00:02:04,867 Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby would be best advised to lock him 39 00:02:04,907 --> 00:02:08,067 Speaker 2: up for a little while. Not yeah, not literally, but 40 00:02:08,147 --> 00:02:10,427 Speaker 2: you know, to to give him, give him a new 41 00:02:10,747 --> 00:02:12,307 Speaker 2: to give us and that would be the right thing 42 00:02:12,347 --> 00:02:14,427 Speaker 2: to do, to give him a new contract. 43 00:02:14,387 --> 00:02:17,627 Speaker 3: Block him and Eddie is yeah, that's right, that's right. 44 00:02:18,547 --> 00:02:22,587 Speaker 3: Antoninet Brown I thought made a huge impact in midfield 45 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:25,347 Speaker 3: is passing the support and vision that they were all elite, 46 00:02:25,387 --> 00:02:27,467 Speaker 3: but also the bread and butter things, you know, like 47 00:02:27,547 --> 00:02:31,227 Speaker 3: the ball, security, tackles clean out, providing an option at 48 00:02:31,267 --> 00:02:36,707 Speaker 3: all times. I reckon that somehow it just feels right 49 00:02:36,747 --> 00:02:38,107 Speaker 3: when Anton is in the mix. 50 00:02:39,587 --> 00:02:43,387 Speaker 2: He's played every Test this year. I worked out this morning. 51 00:02:43,467 --> 00:02:45,627 Speaker 2: He's only started three, including last night, but it's been 52 00:02:45,627 --> 00:02:47,507 Speaker 2: off the bench in the other six. So he is 53 00:02:47,547 --> 00:02:50,787 Speaker 2: one of only five players who's been involved in all 54 00:02:50,907 --> 00:02:53,147 Speaker 2: nine Test matches this year. And I think he does 55 00:02:53,187 --> 00:02:56,747 Speaker 2: provide a nice security and a bit of glue around 56 00:02:56,827 --> 00:02:57,267 Speaker 2: this team. 57 00:02:58,027 --> 00:03:01,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's totally He's the glue. He's the dead horse 58 00:03:01,227 --> 00:03:04,667 Speaker 3: of the team if you will. But Sam Cain as 59 00:03:04,707 --> 00:03:08,227 Speaker 3: well needs he needs his flowers pony. I mean, I 60 00:03:08,267 --> 00:03:10,627 Speaker 3: think he's one of the greats. He should have been 61 00:03:10,667 --> 00:03:12,467 Speaker 3: a World Cup winning captain if it wasn't for that 62 00:03:12,507 --> 00:03:15,587 Speaker 3: Pierski red card and a couple of things going, you know, 63 00:03:15,827 --> 00:03:19,667 Speaker 3: if Geordie had nailed that kick. But he's captain the 64 00:03:19,707 --> 00:03:21,867 Speaker 3: All Blacks in an era where all our rivals apart 65 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:25,347 Speaker 3: from Australia, have been peeking so losses were going to occur. 66 00:03:25,907 --> 00:03:30,267 Speaker 3: But also following on from the goat Richie mccaor like 67 00:03:30,307 --> 00:03:33,307 Speaker 3: I've said before, I think it's like following Freddy Murcury 68 00:03:33,467 --> 00:03:36,227 Speaker 3: at Live Aid. So what can you do? Well, you 69 00:03:36,347 --> 00:03:38,547 Speaker 3: just do the best that you can. And in his 70 00:03:38,667 --> 00:03:41,347 Speaker 3: case it's defense. That is one half of the game, 71 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:43,467 Speaker 3: and I think he's been the best at that and 72 00:03:43,547 --> 00:03:45,867 Speaker 3: another quarter of the game a breakdown. So I mean 73 00:03:46,307 --> 00:03:49,787 Speaker 3: you can't fault his work there, especially cleaning rucks. He 74 00:03:49,827 --> 00:03:53,107 Speaker 3: attends so many breakdowns, So I think he's made others 75 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:56,147 Speaker 3: look better and that's probably one of the great things 76 00:03:56,187 --> 00:03:58,587 Speaker 3: about him. And it does sound even Raiser was saying 77 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:01,907 Speaker 3: that his leadership is important. He's a sheriff, he's a 78 00:04:01,907 --> 00:04:06,347 Speaker 3: straight shooter, and I think the All Blacks have needed them. 79 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:08,307 Speaker 3: He just didn't get the ultimate reward of a World 80 00:04:08,347 --> 00:04:08,747 Speaker 3: Cup win. 81 00:04:09,347 --> 00:04:11,347 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a very good point 82 00:04:11,347 --> 00:04:13,227 Speaker 2: and I think, yeah, Razor has made that point. He 83 00:04:13,507 --> 00:04:15,907 Speaker 2: didn't know Sam Kine, well, of course he didn't before 84 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:17,427 Speaker 2: he came into the All Blacks, but he says he's 85 00:04:17,747 --> 00:04:19,867 Speaker 2: learned a lot about him and gained enormous respect. And 86 00:04:19,907 --> 00:04:23,467 Speaker 2: you can tell how much the players there respect him. 87 00:04:23,627 --> 00:04:25,427 Speaker 2: I do note though, that in the players you've mentioned, 88 00:04:25,467 --> 00:04:26,347 Speaker 2: most of them are chiefs. 89 00:04:28,027 --> 00:04:28,947 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. 90 00:04:29,067 --> 00:04:32,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you didn't even mention to who I thought 91 00:04:32,267 --> 00:04:32,747 Speaker 2: was good too. 92 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:35,827 Speaker 3: How good is his skill set? Just setting things up? Well, 93 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:38,147 Speaker 3: that's why I put myself on a four chief limit. 94 00:04:38,587 --> 00:04:40,547 Speaker 3: So I've reached my clothure. 95 00:04:40,587 --> 00:04:45,547 Speaker 2: I sorry, yeah, sorry too poor, Sorry Cortez, Sorry Luke Jacobson. 96 00:04:45,787 --> 00:04:48,027 Speaker 2: You don't get You don't get to mention to David. 97 00:04:48,147 --> 00:04:49,307 Speaker 2: Maybe next week you will. 98 00:04:50,027 --> 00:04:53,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I started mentioning the undersized chiefs, you know 99 00:04:53,907 --> 00:04:54,787 Speaker 3: we'd be here all night? 100 00:04:55,787 --> 00:04:56,347 Speaker 2: Can we can? 101 00:04:56,387 --> 00:04:56,507 Speaker 3: We? 102 00:04:57,347 --> 00:04:58,747 Speaker 2: Do you want to anything more than all blacks? Do 103 00:04:58,787 --> 00:05:00,867 Speaker 2: I want to ask about Liam Lawson? Yeah? 104 00:05:00,907 --> 00:05:01,987 Speaker 3: Liam Lawson, let's go. 105 00:05:03,427 --> 00:05:06,667 Speaker 2: Well, we just had we just had Rick Thompson before. 106 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:08,907 Speaker 2: I just worry because red Bull seemed like the kind 107 00:05:08,907 --> 00:05:11,387 Speaker 2: of organization that, you know, might just cheer you up 108 00:05:11,387 --> 00:05:13,267 Speaker 2: and spit you out, but he seems like a fairly 109 00:05:13,307 --> 00:05:15,947 Speaker 2: level headed Chapleeam Lawson, you reckon, It'll be okay. 110 00:05:17,027 --> 00:05:19,027 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm the only thing I'm worried about. 111 00:05:19,067 --> 00:05:20,947 Speaker 3: I think. I mean, he's been rewarded for his talent, 112 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:23,867 Speaker 3: not his connections, although I feel like being from Pocacoe 113 00:05:23,947 --> 00:05:26,547 Speaker 3: or South Auckland is a bit like going to Duke 114 00:05:26,627 --> 00:05:29,227 Speaker 3: University before getting into the NBA. You know, it's motor 115 00:05:29,307 --> 00:05:34,267 Speaker 3: racing central, it's a nursery. But I remember him being 116 00:05:34,347 --> 00:05:36,707 Speaker 3: run off the road by that South African driver when 117 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:40,267 Speaker 3: he was about to win the European Touring Car Champs, 118 00:05:39,387 --> 00:05:43,267 Speaker 3: and he flew off the handle, and I was happy 119 00:05:43,307 --> 00:05:46,027 Speaker 3: for him to actually fire up and tell him that 120 00:05:46,067 --> 00:05:48,227 Speaker 3: it was dirty Paul. And I think he's going to 121 00:05:48,227 --> 00:05:51,107 Speaker 3: be prepared to stand his ground in Formula one because 122 00:05:51,107 --> 00:05:55,027 Speaker 3: I think the biggest problem with Brendan Hartley, another lovely bloke, 123 00:05:55,427 --> 00:05:58,147 Speaker 3: is that he was constantly tormented and bullied by his 124 00:05:58,227 --> 00:06:02,707 Speaker 3: team teammate Pierre Ghastly. And can you remember that, Pony. 125 00:06:03,147 --> 00:06:04,667 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I remember it. 126 00:06:04,707 --> 00:06:09,347 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Ghastly is an appropriate name because he Gasly 127 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:12,507 Speaker 3: was gaslighting Hartley the whole time, accusing him of almost 128 00:06:12,627 --> 00:06:14,947 Speaker 3: killing him when Hartley stored on the track once and 129 00:06:14,947 --> 00:06:17,067 Speaker 3: he had to swerve to miss him, and he gave 130 00:06:17,147 --> 00:06:19,987 Speaker 3: this emotional press conference. He didn't even touch the guy 131 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,707 Speaker 3: and it was like he was going, Oh, I thought 132 00:06:22,707 --> 00:06:26,027 Speaker 3: I was going to die. So ghastly is a mass 133 00:06:26,027 --> 00:06:29,747 Speaker 3: of tossa so I hope that Lawson beats him for 134 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:32,587 Speaker 3: starters and also confronts anyone who tries to give him 135 00:06:32,587 --> 00:06:37,067 Speaker 3: any of those that sort of Shenanigan's. 136 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:39,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't. Yeah, absolutely can't. It seems like 137 00:06:39,707 --> 00:06:42,707 Speaker 2: a sport of massive egos to me, but Liam Lawson 138 00:06:42,787 --> 00:06:46,267 Speaker 2: seems to be without one, whether you know, whether it's 139 00:06:46,347 --> 00:06:48,787 Speaker 2: it's you know, comes across as a quite confidence more 140 00:06:48,827 --> 00:06:51,427 Speaker 2: than anything. I mean, I get the feeling he's he's 141 00:06:51,467 --> 00:06:53,547 Speaker 2: got a bit about him. But yeah, there's a lot 142 00:06:53,587 --> 00:06:55,587 Speaker 2: of egos by the looks of it, and formula one 143 00:06:55,627 --> 00:06:58,027 Speaker 2: and I guess, you know, I guess maybe that's part 144 00:06:58,027 --> 00:07:01,347 Speaker 2: of reaching the top. I'm not sure. Hey, NRL, the 145 00:07:01,427 --> 00:07:03,947 Speaker 2: storm hammered the Roosters, the Panthers took a bit longer 146 00:07:04,027 --> 00:07:07,147 Speaker 2: to succumb the Sharks. But we've got the Grand Final 147 00:07:07,147 --> 00:07:08,427 Speaker 2: we all wanted, haven't we. 148 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:12,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the blockbuster Final. There's a lot to like. 149 00:07:12,787 --> 00:07:14,747 Speaker 3: I always love it when the key is everywhere, and 150 00:07:14,787 --> 00:07:18,947 Speaker 3: of course plenty in the Melbourne Storm. Watching Eli car 151 00:07:19,067 --> 00:07:22,227 Speaker 3: tour is quite triggering for me seeing a former warrior 152 00:07:22,787 --> 00:07:25,307 Speaker 3: do so well. But sometimes you know, that that change 153 00:07:25,307 --> 00:07:28,067 Speaker 3: of scenery was what was needed for their career. It's 154 00:07:28,067 --> 00:07:31,547 Speaker 3: a bit like Malaco for Kutur going down to the Highlanders. 155 00:07:32,187 --> 00:07:34,667 Speaker 3: You know, you just know that they needed that change 156 00:07:34,667 --> 00:07:38,907 Speaker 3: of scenery to reach that peak. But having said that, 157 00:07:39,027 --> 00:07:43,427 Speaker 3: jar runs Hughes against Nathan Cleary, I mean that is just, 158 00:07:44,627 --> 00:07:46,347 Speaker 3: you know, tantalizing, isn't it? 159 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:49,627 Speaker 2: Absolutely now watering? Yeah, can't wait for that. So that's 160 00:07:49,747 --> 00:07:53,267 Speaker 2: next Sunday, so week tonight the NRL Grand Final, but 161 00:07:53,347 --> 00:07:58,107 Speaker 2: yesterday the AFL Grand Final at the g the iconic 162 00:07:58,107 --> 00:08:00,107 Speaker 2: Melbourne Cricket Ground. Did you get eyes on this? 163 00:08:01,387 --> 00:08:04,067 Speaker 3: Yes? I did. It was an absolute blowout winter Brisbane. 164 00:08:04,267 --> 00:08:07,067 Speaker 3: And of course that is a problem because it was 165 00:08:07,107 --> 00:08:10,507 Speaker 3: Brisbane versus Sydney, so sports like rugby, it's a bit 166 00:08:10,507 --> 00:08:13,907 Speaker 3: of a dagger for them having two of those two 167 00:08:13,947 --> 00:08:18,107 Speaker 3: of those cities represented in an AFL final. However, Sydney 168 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:21,507 Speaker 3: was spent by I think sixty points or something like that. 169 00:08:21,587 --> 00:08:25,627 Speaker 3: It was crazy that I think maybe they might turn 170 00:08:25,947 --> 00:08:29,547 Speaker 3: back to the rugby codes after that. But the one 171 00:08:29,547 --> 00:08:32,027 Speaker 3: thing I did want to raise was Katie Perry and 172 00:08:32,587 --> 00:08:35,747 Speaker 3: look Piney. She was pretty good in the pregame show. 173 00:08:35,827 --> 00:08:38,947 Speaker 3: Awesome voice didn't seem like it was totally lipstick. She 174 00:08:39,027 --> 00:08:41,827 Speaker 3: wasn't doing the Milli Vanellia or anything. And on her 175 00:08:41,827 --> 00:08:47,227 Speaker 3: playlist she sang raw great song, she sang firework, absolute banger, 176 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:51,107 Speaker 3: and she even sang California Girls. You know, but where 177 00:08:51,907 --> 00:08:53,387 Speaker 3: where it was hot and cold? 178 00:08:53,947 --> 00:08:58,347 Speaker 4: I've got to ask you the book song it relates 179 00:08:58,427 --> 00:09:02,947 Speaker 4: to sports and as a massive hit, it is an 180 00:09:02,987 --> 00:09:06,547 Speaker 4: absolute banger. You don't go out there instant one of 181 00:09:06,587 --> 00:09:09,227 Speaker 4: your unknown recent songs, which she did, and you lead 182 00:09:09,267 --> 00:09:12,347 Speaker 4: out a hip like that that is not on brief, Kadie, 183 00:09:12,747 --> 00:09:13,787 Speaker 4: stick to the brief. 184 00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:18,947 Speaker 2: The brief was banger's ondly, wasn't it. I think she 185 00:09:18,987 --> 00:09:21,627 Speaker 2: would have gone away with my yea beggars only hot 186 00:09:21,707 --> 00:09:22,707 Speaker 2: and cold? Where are you? 187 00:09:23,547 --> 00:09:25,827 Speaker 3: Where are you to listen to this? I mean that's 188 00:09:25,987 --> 00:09:34,227 Speaker 3: one of the great It's coming soon if you're allow it. 189 00:09:35,027 --> 00:09:36,227 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me today. 190 00:09:36,307 --> 00:09:38,267 Speaker 2: Good on you, James. You hold there. Let's listen to 191 00:09:38,307 --> 00:09:41,907 Speaker 2: this banger of a chorus for a bit. It's coming 192 00:09:43,507 --> 00:09:45,627 Speaker 2: see that would have worked well if the chorus actually came. 193 00:09:45,907 --> 00:10:11,347 Speaker 5: I think it's coming now here it goes 194 00:10:19,547 --> 00:10:22,707 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine listen live 195 00:10:22,827 --> 00:10:26,107 Speaker 1: to news talks it be weekends from midday, or follow 196 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:27,747 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio